Episode 46: Ironman Texas Recap, 70.3 St George Race Predictions, and the Mini Dachshund Difference

Ever wondered how a four-legged friend can influence an athlete's daily grind?  Take a listen to find out how.

Join us as we catch up on our training and racing as well as our usual WTF and Social Media post of the week. We share anecdotes from the triathlon, training, racing and life including meeting Lincoln, Josh's new mini dachshund puppy. We'll also chuckle over the community's latest 'WTF' moments and miss the banter with my co-host Fede, who's dealing with technical difficulties in Cozumel. But don't fret; we keep the spirit high with tales from the triathlon frontlines and a candid chat about the surprising allure of mini dachshunds among the endurance crowd.

Hold onto your handlebars for a deep dive into the Ironman Texas recap, where grit meets the pavement. We analyze the sheer determination of the pro athletes and how they powered through the race. Listen to the stirring stories of competitors overcoming adversities, including a musing on Lionel Sanders' road to recovery after a recent injury. Moreover, we discuss the strategic race plans athletes employ to snag those coveted Kona slots, proving that the Ironman journey is as much about mental resilience as it is physical prowess.

The episode isn't all sweat and perseverance; we also gear up with predictions for an upcoming 70.3 in St. George, where the competition is as heated as the race itself. With top-tier athletes like Sam Long, and Paula Finley toeing the line, speculation is rife on who will dominate, taking into account recent performances and the race conditions.

 And remember, positivity isn't just a buzzword—it's a game changer. Discover how a positive mindset can influence an athlete's performance, potentially being the secret sauce to triathlon success. Whether you're in it for the race recaps, the training tips, or just love the sport, this episode's got your back.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:03

Welcome to another triathlon podcast, the podcast that brings the electrifying world of triathlons right into your headphones. Journey into captivating conversations, share the excitement of race recaps, enjoy the humor only a triathlete would understand, and join us as we debunk myths and bring you the bare, thrilling truths of the triathlon world. So feel your heart pound, breathe in anticipation and get ready to dive into the world of triathlon. This is another triathlon podcast. Enjoy the ride.

Speaker 2: 0:40

Here we are with another triathlon podcast, brought to you by Mana Apparel, and this week, as always, we're going to cover some fun race results. Talk about the social media post and what, the F moment of the week, both of which there are a few after a full weekend of racing. But we will jump into it. Today, unfortunately, our co-host, bede, is off to Cozumel and the internet isn't quite cooperating, so he won't be able to gloat about his one in a million chance race win here, but we will talk to him next week. For sure, as always, I do have Josh with me. Josh, how are you doing today?

Speaker 3: 1:15

I'm doing great and I promised the listeners that we did not sabotage Feday being on the show.

Speaker 2: 1:23

We wanted to hear him go nuts about his countrymen winning ironman texas, but uh yeah unfortunately, who made that call, like I don't know if there's anyone else who would have called him out, even for a wild card maybe somebody out there with fede, but uh, yeah, what a what a race and we'll get into that for sure.

Speaker 3: 1:42

Um, it was, uh, it was a pretty hectic week for me. It was, uh, I was a lot of training, a lot of build. Um, I'm kind of on a couple week build here before a pullback week, um, getting ready for my next race june 9th and doing 70.3 western mass. Um, so had a pretty good week last week. Um, not getting in the pool as much as I'd like to, probably two days a week instead of three, but it is a downriver swim, so I've got a little bit going for me there.

Speaker 3: 2:13

But the bike and the runner we're picking up the intensities and a lot more, even more so than ever before Oceanside too.

Speaker 3: 2:20

So it feels good to push some power for longer periods of time and and then running off the bike at race pace, which has been a lot of fun. So I've been doing a lot of brick work and uh, then travel down to nashville, down and back in the same day, which I don't know if I've ever done a trip down and back in the same day before, but it was all to get our new puppy and uh, so we've got our little mini docks in and at the same time we got to go down and cheer on some friends running the Nashville Rock and Roll Half Marathon. So timing worked out well. I wish we had known about it a little sooner. We would have jumped in and run the race ourselves. But all is good, a couple of sleepless nights and back training. I just finished a nice 35-minute run before this and I got a nice little hour easy bike tonight. So all is good here and the weather is getting better and I'll be able to get outside and do some more riding.

Speaker 2: 3:14

Yeah, just brag about that weather there.

Speaker 3: 3:18

As Jenna's posting that she's getting more snow. Welcome to springtime in Canada.

Speaker 2: 3:25

Yeah, How's the puppy oh?

Speaker 3: 3:35

looks absolutely adorable. He's amazing. You don't realize how tiny an eight-week-old mini dachshund puppy is until you actually get a whole one. And then what I didn't realize is how many people have or have had dachshunds in their lives. And like, just walking through the airport in nashville, it started at the delta check encounter. They all knew or had had them and didn't want to let us through because they wanted to keep them. And then we got through and everyone just kept coming up to us like does he have an instagram? What's his instagram? Like everyone, and then they're showing us their puppies and their pictures and it was probably like one out of every 10 person people. I mean, it was unbelievable. So apparently dachshunds, and mini dachshunds especially, are very popular in the south, for sure, um, and people on flights from nashville to boston. So it was uh, it was he. He's amazing. He's. He's doing great the benefit of working from home most days of the week. So my wife's been able to train him. Well, for our listeners you can't see him, but Jenna can.

Speaker 3: 4:41

This is Lincoln, lincoln, docket, vernon. So Lincoln is. My daughter loves history, so he's named after abraham lincoln, link from gray's anatomy, um, and link the sausage dog, so um. And then dockets are our, our last dog's name, so he's in honor of him too. So yeah, we are extremely happy he's. He's already doing well at sleeping at night in the crate and we had one rough night, but other than that he's already doing well and we're off and running with the training.

Speaker 2: 5:13

That is awesome to hear and, oh my goodness, way too adorable. I can't even stand it. Definitely have to post pictures up on the account there so people can see.

Speaker 3: 5:26

Absolutely yeah, and it's he, he's, uh, he's a whopping three pounds right now. So that was, that was his, his vet weigh-in, but it definitely changes how we uh we plan for things going forward too. It's like we had that nice little five, six months without having to worry about pet sitting and having a cat. We just have somebody come check or make sure there's enough food and stuff for the cat. But uh, having a puppy changes the game a little bit.

Speaker 2: 5:50

So yeah, definitely makes a little bit more challenging, but sounds like it's worth it for sure, I'm, uh, I'm about to post my race schedule for the rest of the year.

Speaker 3: 6:00

Uh, put together a reel about that. So we've got a lot of planning ahead to do and a lot of travel. But how about you? How's, uh, how was your race that you told us about last week? And, uh, how's the weather up there?

Speaker 2: 6:16

yeah, that one I kind of forgot about till my coach mentioned it, so ready to go. Um, no, it's really awesome. It's kind of fun. The um, the race directors are good friends and stuff, and uh, the office building that I lease out there is one of the sponsors of the event, so packet pickup was in my office building, which was amazing. So I had to walk like five steps to pick up my packet, which super convenient. Love, love it. Definitely got very distracted chatting with everyone about the race and geeking out on endurance sports in general. So that was fun.

Speaker 2: 6:51

But yeah, race day, this was supposed to be kind of a little test race to see where the fitness is and it went horribly. That was probably the worst race I've had in quite a while, in a very long time. It doesn't make me like 10Ks anymore. I didn't like them before. It's been about like 12 years since I've raced a 10K and a few years since I've even raced just a running race. But in between the snow we had a few days of nice weather and apparently that kicked up some spring allergies and yeah, it went out there. It was a little rough because he kind of it was straight into a headwind about 15 to 20 mile per hour, headwind, um, uphill, and then you turn around and run back and it's like, okay, just get through this. And then I get the downhill and stuff, but yeah, with the allergies, just couldn't breathe, which wasn't great when trying to go threshold, um. So you know, it's one of those things.

Speaker 2: 7:51

I I did end up winning my age group and I was second overall, but it's like, when it's not, that's a bad day in jenna's world it sounds awful to say that be like, oh, it's a terrible day out, but it's kind of like okay, when I knew I was capable of much faster and had done some much faster paces two days later. So it was one of those things that was like okay, bad day, don't let it get in your head. Just kind of renewed my enthusiasm to get after some training because I definitely did not show where the fitness is. So on the bright side I felt great the next day. It wasn't sore because I didn't run that fast, so that was helpful. But what I got from that race was just being back in that atmosphere. It's such a long winter here Just being around people and everyone's super stoked to be out there and race again and see like friendly faces, familiar faces that you know from the racing scene.

Speaker 3: 8:49

It definitely gave me a mental boost, even though the race pace didn't quite go to plan well, it sounds like you still got a result and any, whether it was the one you wanted or not. It was probably nice, like you said, to just get back out to racing, because you haven't raced in a while and you've been doing a lot of travel, a lot of work and probably not the same level of training that you've done in previous years too. So to go out and, yeah, the allergies you can solve, the training you know you can get more of done. So I I mean kudos to you to getting out there and going. Jenna doesn't have a B speed, it's A speed and bonk or A speed and win.

Speaker 2: 9:35

Yeah, you know what the good thing to take out of it was. I remembered how to suffer. Yeah, breathing and heart rate were way up there, but I could go there and mentally deal with that, so that was good. But, yeah, no excited, I don't think I have another race, for I'm not racing a ton this year. Just yeah, it's mostly duathlon and there's not a ton out there, but I think it'll be another month and a half until I race again, although I am okay. Tell me if this sounds crazy or not. There's a we've got a very short race window, so there's a duathlon that, um, I can't have a streak of winning. So I wanted to go back and do that one and actually get a feel for duathlon again, but the next day is the canadian gravel championships, like an hour and a half away. So, like I'm, I need to do the duathlon because I need to practice that.

Speaker 2: 10:29

But then I've never done a gravel race and it's the Canadian championship, so it's probably not going to be the most chill.

Speaker 3: 10:38

But yeah, considering that, what's the vert on the gravel?

Speaker 2: 10:48

considering doing that. What's the vert on the gravel? I do not know. I don't go into races super unprepared, but what I was told by, uh, the head of marketing at cycling canada is it's a brutal event, so I don't know if that made me want to do it less or more.

Speaker 3: 10:57

To be honest to me you're, you're doing both. Unless you like get hurt in the duathlon, which I doubt will happen, you're going to be fine to do. And you're like all right, immediately in the car. You'll skip the podium Like, oh, I've done this the last two years. Get in the car. She's on her way to the gravel race the next day. I need to get a good night's sleep.

Speaker 2: 11:21

Definitely that way.

Speaker 3: 11:29

I mean it's like 120k, so it'll be a longer ride than I've been doing, but it'll be fine. 120k gravel ride, no big deal after doing a sprint duathlon yeah, yeah, slightly different events there good training weekend yeah, you know, there we go.

Speaker 2: 11:47

Yeah, get all the volume in. Just go for broke on the duathlon and see if I survive the next day there you go, there you go that should be fun. So, yeah, get a little bit more racing in there, because, yeah, I think I really only have like two, maybe three duathlons if I do some back to back. There's not, unfortunately, not a ton of those around here, but then we'll go see if I can pull out on worlds, which will be interesting yeah, I've thought about doing the duathlon too, but um, we'll see.

Speaker 3: 12:19

I think this year will be triathlons, with that one relay that I'm doing at Ironman 70.3 Maine, and then the running focus, which it'll be nice to have that block going into Chicago for the first time ever really go after trying to do a marathon. But I got to pick up the race schedule for you guys, for FedA being injured and someone's got to race this year.

Speaker 2: 12:53

Although I'm still debating. So I'm qualified for 70.3 Royal Champs in Taupo.

Speaker 3: 12:57

That means I'd have to start swimming again. So we'll see how that goes. If I can do it, you can do it. Ocean Tide is not an easy swim and I got through it, and I know Topo will not be, but you can get through it. I believe in you. You've done it plenty and you've had good results.

Speaker 2: 13:13

There's the other off chance, I might try to get a spot. Well, might be able to get a spot for the Chicago Marathon. So if that works out, I think I'd go do that.

Speaker 3: 13:21

I'll see you there.

Speaker 1: 13:26

Yeah, that would be wicked have a catch up there.

Speaker 2: 13:28

Yeah, um, we'll see if that works out, because it's sold out.

Speaker 3: 13:30

It might be through a charity thing, but we will, yeah so the charity that we found was um through the longevity foundation. Um is who we're running for at chicago and it's not like so everyone thinks charity fundraising boston. And it's huge, um, because it's the only one that it's like you either qualify or you raise charity, whereas the other marathons have the raffles and you can get into the lottery and get picked in that way, or you can qualify time-wise for charity. So the charities for chicago are way less in terms of the money that you need to raise. So ours is like just under two thousand dollars, um, which, being a bostonian, boston's like 10 grand now for most charities, which is crazy. So I mean two thousand dollars. I can raise that pretty quickly.

Speaker 3: 14:17

So yeah it'd be awesome to run with you, or?

Speaker 2: 14:21

that would be fun pull up. We're running this year, so it'd be fun. I haven't done standalone marathon since 2012 yeah been a little while they're, they're fun okay.

Speaker 2: 14:38

Well, back to the triathlon world here. We had a small race going on this weekend that nobody was talking about. No, we had the first iron man of the iron man pro series. Iron man texas happened this weekend. I know we were all looking forward to it to see how it shook out, and there were definitely some. One surprising result, one not so surprising results. Uh j, do you have the winners up there?

Speaker 1: 15:06

I do have.

Speaker 3: 15:06

So, I have the men's results pulled up, as we were talking about earlier. What a performance start to finish. I mean Tomas Hernandez. I mean he had a great swim and held on through the bike and then just came roaring through the field on the run and it looked like it was going to be a Matthew Marquardt. It looked like my pick was going to hold on and take the race.

Speaker 2: 15:37

Yeah, but he was so good. So good he was crushing the bike ride and just putting time, Like it was so cool to see he had a massive gap off the bike.

Speaker 3: 15:45

Cool to see he had a massive gap off the bike yeah, he had a big gap off the bike and I mean he pushed a lot of power on that bike and from all accounts of it and we had a number of mono people racing and I've seen a lot of the pro accounts and and that headwind was legit. Like they, they did not feel like they were moving at all and it definitely helped some of the stronger riders get some gaps. And it was hot, it was humid, but it seems like a lot of people were ready for that. It's just I think they weren't ready for pushing power on the bike and then having to run in that type of conditions and that's so fair.

Speaker 2: 16:21

Just even mentally, when you feel like you're not going anywhere, heading into those block headwinds, it's just rough. And so many people kind of give into that tendency to over put out too much power just because they know their momentum's down, they think race mode, let's go. Oh, just brutal to deal with that, although it would have been a fast ride back.

Speaker 3: 16:43

It is true. I mean, it goes both ways. Um, and they definitely push the power coming back when you had that opportunity to do so, and um, but coming off the bike, and then the runs, a three loop run. So you, you can, you tend to get a good idea of where you stand or how you're holding up. And, and man, a whole bunch of the pros had to walk on both sides of the field and one of them ended up winning even though she was walking.

Speaker 3: 17:10

But Tomas came out of nowhere and looked good, ran a course, record marathon. Outran Patrick Lenga who was coming, but he still outran him, and kudos to Patrick Lenga. Shows up at Oceanside, gets a result, shows up to Ironman, texas, finishes second and now leads the Ironman Pro Series for the season. So the other piece of this that we've got to keep reminding people about is this is a season-long event now too, but winning in Ironman gives you a ton of points and leapfrogs you a long way. Tomas is right up there on the leaderboard. What an amazing performance. First Mexican to ever win an Ironman, full Ironman too, which is really cool. We saw him come in last year and he's had some good results in the 70.3. Bet he said it Watch out for him.

Speaker 2: 18:03

There he was, he ran out at like seven pace, like to watch him running in that first 10k was just you're thinking there's no way. Like he just looked like he was sprinting down a finish line, yeah, but he just kept going. Yeah, he slowed down, but not by a ton, like I was just waiting for that explosion, but there was.

Speaker 3: 18:25

There was a post where they put up like his five, the 5k splits that you, that you'll see in like a marathon or something. Well, they did it for the marathon of this iron man and I mean these were like people's, like gold dream prs, and it wasn't until like the last 10 K did it get like human. And and, by the way, this guy just swam 2.4 and biked 112 miles and and push that so, but he wasn't alone. Patrick Lane, I ran an unbelievable race, as we're used to seeing him do.

Speaker 3: 19:02

And and he shows he's, he's around and he's going to be a big force to reckon with in this pro series. If you can stay healthy and it was- you know, kudos to Matthew Marquardt.

Speaker 2: 19:13

Like he had that crazy lead. It looked like he was suffering. At one point he stopped on the side of the road to hug either his partner or sister, a family member in there, and he's walking for a bit and you're just like, oh, is this guy done? But you know what? He got going again. He ended up, I think, in fourth place and just pushed through because that when you hit that point where you're walking mentally and physically, that's hard to get going again.

Speaker 3: 19:38

so it was impressive to see him keep going and push through to the finish it was really, I mean the perseverance, and it's not like he just started jogging either. He was still pushing a pretty good pace, um, and he still finished up high enough in the in the rankings for him to have a good day. Um, it looked like he was gonna just drop and and he had a couple miles there where it was where it's tough, but he did keep going. So, um, and and that leads us right in to the, the females race as well um, every the talk of the town and the talk of the broadcast, unfortunately, was all centered around a calf muscle. But Kat Matthews, I mean, I finally got one, I finally picked one to win. But I said if she showed up, she was going to be in this to win it. And, and she got to the run and knew she had an opportunity to still run everyone down, but the calf started acting up and she had to stop and she walked and and stretched and and, unbelievably, still was able to outrun everyone. Dealing with that calf strain or calf tightness, I think, is what the way she put it. She also had a penalty on the, the bike, um, for drafting too. So there's what five minutes I mean.

Speaker 3: 21:04

It's uh, it's unbelievable what she overcame on that day to to get to the, the tape and um, but it was a lauren brandon out of the water, as we expected. Um with the swim and and I think alice alberts hung around for a day. She didn't have the greatest um power and greatest race, but she put together a nice full day and was able to to get into the top five there and um, we, I mean we just had some. And penny, I mean if anyone's listened to the triathlon hour, she's one of the the people on the um chase pack there and she's had a pretty decent career. Um, and what a day she had, moving up into second place too.

Speaker 3: 21:50

So, um, really good day for the australian and and cats I mean unbelievable, first place to to run it up after the, what she went through on the bike and persevering through the run, um, just kind of what you expect from her and that. I think I saw somebody post I think it was alice albert's posted too, like the average age of the top 10 females or something like that was like 35 years old, um, so kudos, kudos to everyone for just still getting after it um, but yeah, I don't know, what did you? What was your take?

Speaker 2: 22:24

you know, it was so fun to see um vanilla language kind of pushing it at the front all along in there rocking awesome lana peril kit, have to say. But um, yeah, I was just hoping to hoping to see her get it done. That was my pick for the week, but she is dialed in on the bike now. We did some aero testing stuff down in texas and she just looks so good in that bike position. She definitely um has some wicked aerodynamics set up there. But unfortunately.

Speaker 3: 22:53

I mean she came out right in that chase. I mean it was like probably five of them right behind brandon, um, so they were all together coming out of the water and yeah, like you said, finella had a great bike, had a great start to the run and yeah there you went um and started walking and and and again, persevered and got through and finished and, by the way, we were talking about that overall season series. Finella langridge is now number one on the female pro series series for now, which is awesome to see.

Speaker 2: 23:26

Um, yeah, no, it's just great racing in there. But you know what? Kat matthews definitely ran away with it. We had Kat Matthews in first, penny Slater in second, lottie Wilms in third, henna Berry fourth and Alice Alberts in fifth. There, yeah, just sounds that heat and the humidity really mixed things up. We had a few people on both the men's and women's side just dropping out just. Oh, I think that fight cooked a lot of people and then the heat and humidity on the run it. It didn't look too hot. It was mostly cloudy for a lot of it, but that's when that humidity just kicks up. It makes it even harder out there, almost hoping for a bit of a breeze. Yeah, and what?

Speaker 3: 24:04

was it Joe? Skipper had a rough day. Again somebody who yeah, he DNF'd on the run. So yeah, not it.

Speaker 2: 24:15

So that was impressive.

Speaker 3: 24:17

Yes, and then did the beer mile.

Speaker 2: 24:21

The important race for the weekend Come on.

Speaker 3: 24:24

Still dialed in. He's not going to forget that.

Speaker 2: 24:28

Yeah, no, it was definitely fun to see in here and I think we're up for some very interesting racing over the next little while and I'm sure a few changes up up the top of those pro rankings. One thing I actually do like, um for like we criticize iron man a lot of the broadcast and stuff and I will say holy ads, like for his ads constantly. Um, but one thing I did like was once the winner crossed the finish line, they started that points countdown. So so for the Ironman Pro Series, every second you are behind the person who wins is a point gone. So it was kind of fun to see those points counting down from 5,000 backwards to see okay, how many are you going to get in at.

Speaker 3: 25:07

Yeah, I thought it was also cool too. After Cat finished, here comes the male age group winner, and nobody was ready for it. They were kind of after Kat finished, here comes the male age group winner, and nobody was ready for it. They were kind of waiting for Penny to come across second, and there's Kat just trying to figure out what's going on. Oh wait, there's an age grouper who's winning.

Speaker 2: 25:27

Got a little camera time there, made it a crowd, although the one thing with Texas those draft packs looked stupid, bad like flat ride it, just you know it.

Speaker 2: 25:43

It's frustrating seeing that like that's another form of cheating, like oh, I'm not doping, but if you're riding in some of those packs that's as good as you're. You know you're not giving yourself your own personal challenge and you're taking a spot or a resolved way from someone else. So and it sounds like there are tons of crashes too. So you have all these age group athletes on tt bikes in the wind, with cracks on the road all bunched together. One person goes down.

Speaker 3: 26:09

That's a train wreck yeah, and it definitely is, and I think there was the other piece of it too, and and cat has talked about it and and not wanted to talk about it. But why am I getting a penalty? It was it for drafting, I assume it was. But when you're, when you're in kind of those headwinds or in this accordion type of field and people passing and you're dropping back, you're gonna be in the draft zone for a second or two, and it sounds like some of these people were in for like one or two seconds and were still getting penalized, instead of okay, give them a chance to drop back out and give them four or five seconds and then, okay, all right, you didn't get back out fast enough.

Speaker 3: 26:52

But it sounds like there's not many answers being given either when they are getting penalties too, and I know this is something that's always been the case, but I mean, it doesn't take much to give an explanation, and when Race Ranger's in play, the data's there, and I think that's been some of the complaints too Like, we've got the data, why not use it? So I think that's the hope and, after we had our conversation with Race Ranger, I think that is to come. We're just not. They're not there yet, but it was good to finally see it up and running in an Ironman event with a big pro field, so hopefully it only gets better.

Speaker 2: 27:29

Yeah, and you know what I think, especially with Race Ranger, now that you know exactly where it is and the officials can see exactly where you are like wouldn't you just stay a little farther back, like stay, you know, maybe not within the green zone, within the blue zone, so that you're still like close but not at risk of going into that draft zone? Because that's just it. It makes it easier for the officials in that way. They see red, maybe they just make a snap decision right away and you can't totally fault them for that, because technically that's the rules kind of thing. But if I were one of the pros I'd be going a little further back just to make sure you're not getting into that zone. But what I find funny is the complete contrast between T100 that has never given out a penalty ever, and now Ironman is all about the penalties. It seems like.

Speaker 3: 28:17

Yeah, and it definitely sounds like you got some pros learning too, because a lot of them haven't used Race Ranger and they're like, wow, that's what 12 meters is, or that's what 10 meters is, just learning how far that distance actually can be or how short it is. Some people think it's longer or shorter, so it goes both ways there and it could help some people, um and I think they even said that when we were, when we had race rager on is there are a lot of people who are never in the draft zone and and don't take advantage of the, the ability to draft a little bit, um, and if they're dropped to 15, 20, they're not getting the benefit that they could get yeah, no, definitely.

Speaker 2: 28:57

Well, hopefully we'll see more of that, get that more dialed in. We know they're collecting that data, but it'd be fun to see a little bit more of that as well. You gotta wonder if they're starting to um, look at some of that information afterwards and start target. Hey, we see this athlete is regularly within that red zone for more time than they should be.

Speaker 3: 29:17

Be curious to see if they start to target people a little bit and I think that was the one thing they did mention on the podcast was that is the information that they've transferred over and like look, this is who's in the zones way too much and it's abnormal. This is who's in the zones way too much and it's abnormal. And and share that information with iron man, share that information with t100 officials so that they are watching for it. But we haven't seen anything on the t100, that's for sure.

Speaker 2: 29:44

um no red light consistently on the t100 nothing you can see it on the TV.

Speaker 3: 29:51

We have not seen it from Newton.

Speaker 2: 29:57

Oh man, we had some other racing happening this weekend. We had Challenge Taiwan.

Speaker 3: 30:03

I guess in Challenge Taiwan we can just talk about the winner on the females. If you haven't seen Els Visser raced again she's going with the crazy schedule of back to back to back where she what finished third in Singapore in T100. And then she won a 70.3 race last week and then she backed that up with a win in Challenge Taiwan this week. So a third and two firsts. That was her sixth race of the year. She's got six podiums and three wins podium.

Speaker 3: 30:39

Yeah like seriously impressive so, um, yeah, I it's. Uh, it's really really impressive to watch what she's done and she hasn't been in triathlon long, she's. She's making quite the rise. So we'll see where the rest of her season goes. But she is probably going to take a little break here and start training again after the three-week stretch there. But impressive, impressive, impressive stuff in Taiwan, for sure and all in the heat too. Every race was hot.

Speaker 2: 31:12

Yeah, so we had Elsvisser in first, Alanis Sifert in second, Lottie Lucas third, Samantha Kingsford and Cassie Heaslett in there for the women's side. And then I have to say I did not watch this one go down, but it looks like we had on the men's side Jack Moody took the win from New Zealand, Philippe Azevedo one go down, but it looks like we had on the men's side jack moody took the win from new zealand. Philippe as a bedro or a bedro joel woolridge, chang chuan chun and kurt mcdonald, so some slightly less recognizable names over there, but jack moody is getting it done over in taiwan.

Speaker 3: 31:50

That and that heat and humidity is no joke and he's had a pretty good start to his season too, so he's been up with some podiums already as well. So yeah, um, and then I guess the other big race of the the week, which probably would have been a normal a lot more talked about if it wasn't for ironman texas, was, uh, the, the classic over in St Anthony's, and again unfortunately the swim was held, but more so than last year.

Speaker 3: 32:21

But it was shortened. So for some of the swimmers that were down there last year it was just a duathlon. So the swimmers were happy this year that they at least got to swim. But it went from 1500 to 750 in St Petersburg, mostly due to wind and wave conditions, to the point where they wouldn't be able to get any of the volunteer and rescue crews out in the water safe. So yeah, trying to make sure everyone is staying safe, and it sounds like everyone agreed with it. There was nobody like wondering why.

Speaker 3: 32:53

Um so but yeah what a race and what a field yeah on the men's side it went uh, the shark, our friend, mark dubrick, um, followed closely by another friend of the pod, chase mcqueen, and then nicholas quinnett, nat sharp and fourth, jason west and fifth, eric lagastrom and six. So some names that we're all familiar with right, and then Nicholas Quinnett, nat Sharpe in fourth, jason West in fifth, eric Lagerstrom in sixth, so some names that we're all familiar with right there, one, two, three, four, five, six and Dubrik again, with another one of those non-traditional 70.3 wins. And back to his ITU days. And he had a great swim and he pushed some crazy power on the bike and nobody could catch him on the run. Great swim, and, and he pushed some crazy power on the bike and nobody could catch him on the run.

Speaker 3: 33:40

Um, and it sounds like Jason West had a flat on the bike with the last 5k to go, so so maybe that would have changed some things. Um, in the top five, but uh, it's amazing, he still finished fifth with a, with a literally riding on a rim. It's like all I can picture is like a police chase or something. And there's, there's jason west riding in on flat tire with 5k to go and then, uh, still laying down a. So did anyone see what he ran?

Speaker 3: 34:05

910k Oof A sub-30 10k off of a swim in a bike and, yeah, he was two minutes back in fifth place. And really cool to see Eric Largstrom back out racing in the triathlon world. I know a lot of his stuff is going to be focused on Paula this year and in the XTERRA world and off-road stuff, but it was good to see him back racing and running and sounds like he had a good race. But, uh, I saw his recap, which was kind of sad. It's like he's like I don't know how much more I'm going to be doing this and you can almost see some tears in his eyes. So, um, at least in terms of road race triathlon, um, it sounds like his his hip is really just not getting better. Um, but yeah, it's tough to tough to watch that um recap that he gave. But, uh, really cool to see dubrick up there again and, uh, his fellow teammate, um, lisa vacheris, took home the win too. So, real tri squad with another double podium fresh the podium there.

Speaker 3: 35:15

And Lisa was followed by Victoria Lopes, kate Curran, kristen Marchant and Valerie Bartholomew at the top five. So really cool stuff and that race means a lot to a lot of people. It's kind of like you talking about going back to your duathlon that you've done. This is one of those races that the pros just love going back to do year and year again it doesn't matter what their calendar looks like.

Speaker 2: 35:37

They try and find a way to fit that race in yeah, and they're one of the few where they still have some decent prize money for an olympic-ish distance. Uh, race in there too, so it's cool to see that there's not a ton of non-draft olympic distance out there these days. So it's fun to see something a little bit different. And, yeah, some great results from the, the real tri squat.

Speaker 3: 35:59

That's impressive I think I saw a post. This actually could have been my post. I didn't think about it but, um, it might have been just a story. Um, but dubrick put up I think lisa. Lisa threw down a 56 15 bike, which is crazy fast um on the bike and but she had like a top 10 strava segment two of all time, so like male or female, it's like. So then she was pushing power on the bike. So I guess we all knew I mean her, she's still coming back from her injury but uh, hasn't been able to run as much. But man first place and a crazy 56 15 bike split, which is amazing seriously impressive there.

Speaker 2: 36:44

Oh so good. And then we've got some racing coming up, but we will chat about that in a minute. First we'll jump into what did you actually choose for your social media post of the week.

Speaker 3: 36:55

Well, I think one of the results we didn't talk about at Ironman Texas was Robert Callen finishing in fifth, and if anyone watched the live stream or has seen any posts recently, I think Volker Voigt put one up and it's a stream shot from behind during the live stream and the dude dropped his bike. I mean he was trying to shift and caught an edge and unclipped and took a good tumble and yet still ran his way in the fifth and kept going. So kudos to Robert for continuing on. Some people would have pulled out right there. But not only did he continue on, he finished in the top five and got himself an opportunity at Kona slots and there were a lot of Kona slots at that race too.

Speaker 3: 37:43

So I think that was one of the reasons a lot of people kept going Kona slots on the men's side and knee slots on the female side, because so many we talked about this last week. I mean, how many opportunities, opportunities, how far down was it going to go? Um, so yeah, check that out. Um, robert, glad you're doing all right. Congrats on the fifth place after that drop that's the beauty of ironman.

Speaker 2: 38:07

You know, like you, just you never know how people are going to handle the back half of that marathon. Things come up on the bike, but it's such a long day that you can still get back in it and have an incredible result, like you showed. But man, the commentators kept playing that over and over because they're like they just couldn't quite figure out what happened there because it just it looks like he had clipped or something, but it sounds like he maybe shifted, lost the chain, his foot popped out and just down you go. Except, I mean, it's one thing to crash if you're going too fast around a corner or there's people around you, but going in a straight line on your own.

Speaker 3: 38:41

On a highway, not even a rough road.

Speaker 2: 38:46

That's when you don't see too often.

Speaker 3: 38:49

Too much drift riding Robert.

Speaker 2: 38:52

Right. But no, he backed up, he got it done and ended up in fifth place. So that was seriously impressive to see, absolutely, oh man. Well, actually I was just going to see, if we had the, I wonder how many Kona spots there were or how far it rolled down there, because I think there was like six slots available, but like six or seven men had already qualified for it. So there was definitely reason to fight until the very last second, not only for there's the Ironman pro uh ranking or Ironman pro series points, but with that many Kona spots that is a whole lot.

Speaker 3: 39:30

I know Matt Hanson got one and he finished seventh.

Speaker 2: 39:34

Um so it definitely went down past there. Um, let's see here Texas results Always go to TriRating with Torsten there. He usually has some good rundowns of who got what, but I'm not seeing it there. So yeah, no, definitely a few people ticked that box and they'll be off to Kona next year or next year. This year Feels like it's been a year already.

Speaker 1: 40:04

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 40:09

Now we can see. Well, definitely go check out that post. Um, it's posted around on a few accounts. Some of the other ones that were kind of funny to watch and we were kind of talking about before was the difference in run form, um that I meant, I think, my quad.

Speaker 3: 40:22

I loved picking you but, man, you made it difficult to watch you run.

Speaker 2: 40:27

I saw a bunch of memes like me oh look how I need to learn how to run like the pros. They all run so smooth. And then the pros you know what, though he's still moving with that arm kicking out there. I think it was really the juxtaposition of seeing him run and then having having to mass, like take over it was. It was a stark contrast. In running form for sure, yeah, but he muscles through and gets it done, as we've seen with lionel sanders and stuff too. It does not need to look pretty to go fast, just gritting through it, and that, oh that mental and physical grit is impressive yeah, kudos to you for for being able to get through a marathon running like that well, that brings me to our what the f?

Speaker 2: 41:14

um with the previously mentioned lionel sanders. Um, unfortunately it. So. I watched he put out a video about this. It looks like he ended up getting a stress fracture in his ribs and you watch the video. In the first part he's thinking it's just like a tendon or muscle issue and stuff and he's pretty confident it's going to get back and, knowing what the actual situation was, it was a little sad to watch him saying, yeah, no, we're confident, it's just no, no breaks, no fractures, anything like that. And then he got the test and it was fractured. So disappointing for him and, yeah, kind of sad to see there, but almost impressive, that you can get a stress fracture in your ribs swimming, that's.

Speaker 3: 41:57

That's a new one to me might have had a little bit to do with the fact that he had a crazy, crazy good all-out race at Oceanside and then decided to hop in the pool and go at an all-out swim the next day. He didn't just go for a swim, he didn't go for a recovery swim, he went for a probably 6, 7, 8k hard swim and did that the day after Oceanside. So it sounds like that's when it started, but he kept swim bike running, swim bike running, swim bike running started, but he kept swim bike running, swim bike running, swim bike running.

Speaker 2: 42:35

I think he took two days off in in all this and and then finally got an mri mri result. That's gonna knock him out six weeks or so it sounds like, but yeah, still don't have time take a bit to recover from that and hopefully be back at it. Oh, I got a stress fracture in my pelvis, which was an odd one when I started running and those things. At least you got it diagnosed quickly. With mine, it took forever to heal because I kept getting told it was a groin strain until finally got a x-ray on it. It was bad enough that they're like, clearly on the x-ray oh wow, so glad he at least got it.

Speaker 2: 43:05

And that's almost a frustrating place too, because it's your core, your core stability, and so many movements affect that it's constantly using it.

Speaker 2: 43:15

Yeah, exactly. So hopefully he'll actually rest up here and get ready to go. We've seen some pretty incredible comebacks already with uh Matthews and her cap. Hopefully he will actually rest, be back at it soon, because it would be so awesome to see him going after that Kona win and being healthy at 100% at the end of this year, although half of me is kind of surprised he's not trying to raise St George anyways, just a little bit of me.

Speaker 3: 43:46

So do you think? I know Talbot's getting ready to do a 70.3 and he's being coached, but you almost wonder if Lionel's like. Nope, drop your coaches, I'll take care of you. Now Give me something to do.

Speaker 2: 44:01

Somewhere to put that energy. Honestly, I feel bad for his wife because I can imagine he's a happy guy sitting around waiting for an injury to heal and like you said, there's really not much you can do with that injury either.

Speaker 3: 44:16

I mean it's a rib right by his lats and I mean everything you do, that's. Yeah, I feel bad for her, for, too, he needs to be doing stuff.

Speaker 2: 44:29

Oh man. Well, that brings us into St George. Here We've got a big race happening this weekend and it's going to be another fun one to watch and it'll be a part of the Ironman Pro Series. Now, the interesting one with this with Taylor Nibb's crazy time at Oceanside, she pretty much made that race worthless to the pros who raised it, because the points are just so low because she was so far ahead. So this will be the first one that really affects those points rankings for the overall results here. So take a look at who's on the start list. On the women's side, we've got some top names are gina metzler, paula finley, danielle lewis, ellie salt house, jackie herring, kate curin uh, we have another or a whole lot of other incredible women out there and then the men's race that coming?

Speaker 3: 45:18

yeah, there's a, there's a bunch of them it's solid.

Speaker 2: 45:23

See in there. And then men's side, we've got sam long back racing again. Just every start list. It's gonna be a sam long on there somewhere. You got sam long.

Speaker 3: 45:33

Jackson laundry, maximillian sproles, mark dubrick, justin riel, trevor foley, dylan gillespie, magnus manor um anthony costas, michael weiss this is matt hansen too, after doing Iron man Texas, so I don't know if that's still the case, but the list I'm looking at is updated today. The only one that's off now and I did hear him actually post this was Trevor Foley pulled out man, that is a tough backup like it's, one thing goes 70.3 to Iron man.

Speaker 2: 46:05

But Iron man to 70.3 is that is definitely me challenging with a quick turnaround, yeah, we'll see if he shows up.

Speaker 3: 46:16

I think I saw somewhere where he said he might not be, but um, yeah he's.

Speaker 2: 46:21

He's got that crazy good run that just like my legs ache thinking about that, like, and it's not like. There's no one on the start list either. I can see maybe we're doing one of the smaller regional 70.3s and stuff, but oh that is gonna be painful and it's a.

Speaker 3: 46:38

it's just one of those iconic races too. I mean it's you talk oceanside and saint george. They're kind of like the top of the list in the 70.3 world. And here they are right there, boom, april and May Start the season. So you know, a lot of people are just trying to get at it. But who do you? Got on the women's side?

Speaker 2: 46:58

Man, you know what I got to go for Paula Finley. I think she's going to get it done out there. You know solid bike course and shouldn't be, shouldn't be insane, insane temperatures Although the swim is always cold there and she doesn't like a cold swim or cold temperatures too much. But I'm going to go with Paula Finlay. I think she'll go out and get it done here. How?

Speaker 3: 47:22

about you. I like that pick just because she loves this race and I think she's in a good mental spot being there and the bike suits her and she'll get away, I think even after a cold swim. I think she'll be ready to go on the bike and and Eric's there as support and she's got the full Sherpa system going. So I think it'll be a good race for her. But if I can't pick Paula, I will go. Let's see what Ellie Saltos can do. I know she's had a pretty decent early result and the two of them might work. I mean, you got Ellie, Jackie and Paula, who are kind of like three best buds, could work together and see how that works. So I'll go with Ellie Saltos.

Speaker 2: 48:13

Getting it done out there. Yeah, the other one to look forward to is Danielle Lewis. She's been getting some results in here as well. Okay, on the men's side, okay, sad, Some of the top names we got sam long, jackson laundry, max man's barrel, mark dubrick, justin rail, trevor coley um, you know I'm gonna go for a canadian double. I am the canadian double this weekend.

Speaker 3: 48:39

jackson laundry, gotta go get it done and jackson off of some wind tunnel or velodrome testing, and so it seems like he's getting even more locked in um, he's like a step above the wind or the velodrome testing.

Speaker 2: 48:54

He's, uh using the same thing that I'm using right now that machine, yeah, yeah arrow sensor. I'll be, yeah, talking more about that as I start testing.

Speaker 2: 49:04

Interestingly enough, he had the same result that I had in there too, that we saw with Lionel as well he lowered his arrow bars, the angle of them and saw a faster CDA in there, so that it's interesting to see we're seeing a lot more triathletes getting that kind of result these days, when really that kind of scorpion position the arms high, high in front of your face looks a lot faster. But now we're really starting to see with the, the aero testing, that it's not for a lot of people.

Speaker 3: 49:35

Yeah, so it is interesting because you're right, because everything recently has gone higher and higher and more comfortable and and find that as yours. But now back down we go again. So if you can handle that position for 56 miles or 112 miles, then yeah it's. It'll be interesting to see. But if I mean I I'd love to go with dubrick in the back, I'd love to go with dubrick in the back to back, but I cannot not go with sam long at a race that he's already previously done very well at. He is the defending champ, right.

Speaker 2: 50:13

He just seems happy. Sorry, choking on a protein shake.

Speaker 3: 50:22

He's got a new house. He's a homeowner. He's a baby. He's eating steaks and chicken. He's just in a house. He's a homeowner, he's a baby, he's eating steaks and chicken.

Speaker 3: 50:29

He's in a good head space and a good mood all around and listening to other people talk about him too. He's always happy at races, all the time you don't catch him in a bad spot, and we all know I mean people talk about it. When you're in a bad spot, um, and when we all know I mean people talk about it. When you're in a good mood, good things tend to happen and you race better. You you're, you're relaxed and and it just seems like that's where he is right now. And and others, even if they try to be, they're probably stressing a little bit more to try and catch him.

Speaker 3: 51:03

So we know jackson can bike with him, um, and I think it comes down to how good or how bad that swim is. But with 56 miles to go on the bike, we got oceanside all over again. Um, I think our two are gonna. It's gonna be right there. But duber push some crazy power and, uh, san anthony's shorter bike in the olympic distance. But I'll go with sam, can't not go with that. So sam against jackson fair enough.

Speaker 2: 51:33

Hopefully I would love to see a showdown in there. That's what we need, some like super close racing to the very end, just battling it out. That is what makes it so much fun. So hopefully we'll see some close battles this weekend because we know the Ironman coverage will only cover the first person in front, so hopefully we'll have a couple of them there to make it interesting.

Speaker 3: 51:53

You're not going to see Kim Warp or Robert Wilkowicki, or I mean, unless they surprise us and move all the way up.

Speaker 2: 52:01

I have no idea what's going on behind the front, but looking forward to another weekend of racing going on it's, but looking forward to another weekend of racing going on. It's going to be fun to watch, and we have a little break until the next T100 series event too, so there'll be some more Ironman races in between, or Ironman Pro Series races in between. I'm looking forward, though, to that next T100 around Alcatraz.

Speaker 3: 52:28

That was the beginning of June, right? So yeah, we're trying to line up our special guests for episode 50 and I actually heard back from Josh Amberger, so maybe Ash might be coming on. So we'll see. If you want to get in. Before Ash gets in as our 50th guest, let us know. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 52:46

I'm debating going down there to spectate that race and, yeah, catch up with some people there, that'd be a lot of fun. I I'll I gotta do that race one of these years. I've worked a lot with the um, the course director there, so like, oh, I need to yeah, you don't want to go sign up for taupo and do your like?

Speaker 3: 53:03

yeah, but let me just jump in the cold waters of san francisco and swim from a boat to the shore.

Speaker 2: 53:09

Jack bucket list yeah, I just like to suffer, you know that's starting the campaign to get jenna to go to taupo there we go.

Speaker 2: 53:24

Oh no, it should be good that one would be fun to watch, and it'll be. I'm curious to see how the results change up, because the first two races in the t100 were super hot and humid. This isn't going to be that, so it'll be really, really interesting to see and, yeah, see who shows up on top there, because it's just going to be a gritty, grindy kind of race and after this week in st george.

Speaker 3: 53:47

I mean, this is a big week in st george for mark duberk too. Um, don't forget that, because he's still trying to state a case to be allowed in t100 san francisco as the defending champ. Um, so back-to-back weeks with wins could really go a long way to help in his case, and we know alistair's probably not way to help in his case, and we know alistair's probably not going to be in san francisco right. Um, there's going to be a few of the guys that aren't there that have done both races no, fair enough.

Speaker 2: 54:18

Well, we hope to see it, hope to get everyone out there. There's going to be a few athletes who haven't done any of the races yet that will have to come out to this one or else they run the risk of not fulfilling their contract. But it's going to be some fun racing to watch and we'll, of course, follow along this ironman pro series. Go watch it this weekend. We will recap it all next week and, yeah, we will catch up with you again and see who comes out on top.

Speaker 3: 54:43

Yeah, one last shout out to all our mona athletes from texas too. We forgot to say we had some some kona qualifiers down in texas. And uh, jesse moffitt got in and that was her first iron man and she qualified. And and nick and chad, um, kudos to you guys, great days. And and matt with another pr, uh, iron man race. So with a, with a hand that was completely bludgeoned on the run after he went Superman into a railroad tie or something. But great race by everyone. And Phillip and Rodrigo, awesome to just track everyone. When you're part of a team like that man, it gets you ready to race.

Speaker 2: 55:23

Yeah, definitely and actually reveal coming soon. I just got my Mana elite team kit yesterday, so I will have to uh, get that all done up and got my new bike all built up as well. So a couple, a couple reveals coming this week or next. We'll see when I can do some Instagram reels magic.

Speaker 3: 55:44

My custom suit's in transition on the way here too, so I should probably get my tri-suit, and it sounds like our wetsuits are coming too. So my next race is going to be all systems go.

Speaker 2: 55:58

Be locked and loaded. Yeah, if you guys don't know, mana Apparel does custom one-off tri-suits. If you've got a design in mind that you want, anything you want, we can make it happen there too. So go check out monaapparelcom and you can do that there. But otherwise, thank you, as always, josh, for joining me here. It's fun to geek out on triathlon and we will look forward to watching st george this weekend and see what else pops up awesome.

Speaker 3: 56:23

Have a good one everyone.