Episode 55: Ironman Lake Placid Results, London T100 Preview and the Ironman 70.3 Calgary Meet Up

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In this episode, Jenna and Josh discuss their recent training and racing experiences. They talk about their preparations for upcoming races and share their insights on nutrition, recovery, and race strategies. They also review the results of the Ironman Lake Placid race and discuss the challenges faced by the athletes. The conversation highlights the importance of proper hydration and nutrition in endurance events and the impact of weather conditions on performance. The conversation covers various topics including the disappointing coverage of Ironman events, the comparison between Ironman and Tour de France coverage, the upcoming T100 race in London, and the recent Tour de France. The conversation covers the upcoming T100 London race and the potential contenders in both the men's and women's fields. There is discussion about the impact of home soil advantage, recent coach changes, and the weather conditions. The conversation also touches on the Kona validation process and the controversy surrounding Sam Laidlow's drafting penalty and disqualification. The hosts share their thoughts on the situation and express their concerns about disregarding the rules. The episode concludes with a preview of the upcoming Olympic triathlon and mixed team relay events.

Chapters

00:00 Training and Racing Updates
16:11 Review of Ironman Lake Placid
20:55 Importance of Hydration and Nutrition
23:39 Impact of Weather Conditions on Performance
26:22 Disappointing Coverage of Ironman Events
29:06 Comparison between Ironman and Tour de France Coverage
45:07 Anticipation for the T100 Race in London
49:12 Rankings and Performances of Athletes
52:45 Contenders in the Men's Field
59:42 Contenders in the Women's Field
01:03:32 Controversy Surrounding Sam Laidlow's Drafting Penalty
01:11:34 Preview of the Olympic Triathlon and Mixed Team Relay

Keywords

training, racing, Ironman, Lake Placid, nutrition, recovery, race strategy, hydration, endurance, weather conditions, Ironman, coverage, Tour de France, T100, London, athletes, racing, T100 London, contenders, home soil advantage, coach changes, weather conditions, Kona validation, Sam Laidlow, Lionel Sanders, Anne Haug, Lucy Charles Barklay, Asleigh Gentle, drafting penalty, disqualification, Olympic triathlon, mixed team relay

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome to another triathlon podcast, the podcast that brings the electrifying world of triathlons right into your headphones. Journey into captivating conversations, share the excitement of race recaps, enjoy the humor only a triathlete would understand, and join us as we debunk myths and bring you the bare thrilling truths of the triathlon world. Miss and bring you the bare thrilling truths of the triathlon world. So feel your heart pound, breathe in anticipation and get ready to dive into the world of triathlon.

Speaker 2: 0:43

This is another triathlon podcast. Enjoy the ride. We are back with another triathlon podcast and this week, unfortunately, we're not joined by Fede, but I've got Josh with me here and we are going to run through everything that has gone down in the triathlon world, with a little bit of Tour de France, because how could we not? It was an epic three weeks of racing and, as always, we're brought to you by Mana Apparel, which I want to make a quick mention. If you're going to be out there racing Ironman Calgary 70.3, which is practically my backyard, we're going to be hosting a Mana pop-up shop and a little bit of a hangout social time because, well, we all spend way too much time training by ourselves in the pain cave. So come join us. I'll put a sign up in the show notes.

Speaker 2: 1:23

Here on Friday night from four to seven, we'll do a little social time, pop up shop, snaps, drinks, and we will also do a quick seminar on the Calgary course. If not, you can join us virtually. We're going to be doing a webinar with myself and two of the mana coaches, phillip and Sergio, and we're going to talk about how to have your best race day. So, again, I'll put those links in the notes. If you want RSVP to join us in person or virtually for that seminar, you are absolutely welcome. But let's roll into what's going on here at the moment. Josh, how are you doing? How's the training going?

Speaker 3: 1:58

The training has been fast and furious, often just full boat, big three-week build and ended that with entering kind of I think we talked about it on one of the last calls but doing that mile road race. So I did that yesterday morning and did like a good 20-mile track warm-up. There were so many people that entered this race that they had to break down the open-mile road race, men's and women's, into a 40-plus, 40 to 59, and then a 60-plus. There were just so many so they didn't want more than 100 at a time going. So it was like a lollipop-type course where we went out on the right and up and around in a little bit of a circle not too much of a tight turnaround, but a turnaround, um, and then came back and man, these guys are fast. I mean like I knew when I was doing my strides, uh, on the track warming up and I'm running like low fives or late high fours on my 30 second sprints and I'm barely catching the guys doing their warm-up loops.

Speaker 3: 3:06

It's like, oh man, this is crazy. But this was a usatf like grand prix, road race series, summer series type thing, um. So these guys are in this like they're racing every week and it's awesome along, it's what they do, um, but it was really neat to hop in and and do pretty well and and get a pr in my mile and without a taper. I mean I had just done a three-hour bike ride and a and a run off the bike the day before in the middle of the afternoon, yeah, not even like early morning either. So I had about a 13-hour recovery going into a fallout plenty.

Speaker 3: 3:45

I'm sure garmin was recommending a little bit more than that, but it's, it's all good it was good, it wasn't part of the plan and we wanted to throw it in to see how it went. And then I had a nice little uh hour ish warm down run and I was in hopkinson mass um for the mile run and I was like you know what, I've never run the marathon course. So I went and did the first couple miles of the boston marathon and what that?

Speaker 3: 4:11

downhill was like. And I was like, oh crap, I gotta run back on this, out and back. I'll tell you if you have to do the reverse boston marathon. It's no fun. Um, but got that done and uh, and did a swim later in the night and Janine came to the pool with me and then I've been doing my daily morning runs. I've been either 20, 25, or 30 in the morning, so double sessions and that's gone really well. My body's responded well.

Speaker 3: 4:37

My recoveries have been really good and stayed healthy, and I did a nice little 3K swim tonight with my deborah mono wetsuit on. I was like I gotta stretch that thing out again before my my next race. And I knew it was a heavy swim and taper week because I've got ironman 70.3 main coming up on sunday, even though I'm only doing the relay bike. Um, I am going to do a run off the bike as well while I wait for my runner to finish. And so, yeah, 3k swim. I was like let me get the wetsuit on and put down some really good times. But that was back-to-back days of 5,000 yards. I'm feeling it right now and I've put down as much food as I could to get on the podcast healthy.

Speaker 2: 5:22

There you go. Yeah, especially the wetsuit just adds that little bit more restriction. You feel it a lot in the shoulders if you haven't been spending a ton of time in it, for sure exactly what I'm feeling right now is the extra shoulder.

Speaker 3: 5:35

I've got one shoulder that has got some issues and it flares up every once in a while with some overuse and two days in a row of a lot of pulling, and but it's fine, it's just unused and that's a good thing.

Speaker 3: 5:48

So can't complain and uh, yeah, it's been a really good build, successful. Uh, got a flat tire the other day. I changed that out today. Uh, my wife came and picked me up, like two miles from the house. I was like, hey, I gotta run off the bike, so I'll run home. See you there. Thanks for picking me up. Um, so I changed out my flat today and got the tires already, so I have a little shake out where I to make sure that that's good to go for the weekend, but good to do that too.

Speaker 2: 6:14

Awesome and you know it's never a bad thing to get that practice, as much as it sucks in the moment. It is a good habit to have. That's something I tell all my athletes in their practice changing your tire, because god knows if you're out there on an iron man or 70.3 and stuff, it could be hours by the side of the road before support gets to you.

Speaker 3: 6:33

so it's definitely it might be hours that you think, even with me doing it, but it's as long as waiting now that I've done it once. Yeah, it's really that last bit, getting that tight piece back on by the valve, that's tough. But once you do it once, it's really that last bit. Getting that tight piece back on by the valve, that's tough, but once you do it, once you kind of figure out how to hold it.

Speaker 2: 6:49

Absolutely. And if anyone out there hasn't changed tires too often, the biggest tip I can give you is, when you're putting the tire back on, try to keep the edges of the tire as close to the middle of the wheel as possible. That'll give you a little extra slack. So usually people just kind of line it up along the outside, along the edge of the rim, but try to push both sides into the middle. It makes it a little bit easier. You get a little bit more slack there and it's never fun, that last little bit never.

Speaker 2: 7:17

I don't know how people do it with their thumbs and stuff like I just, yeah, I was like, wait, why is my thumb sore?

Speaker 3: 7:22

I didn't do anything swimming. I was like, oh wait, why is my thumb sore? I didn't do anything swimming. I was like, oh wait, I forgot I was using my thumb at first, before using my fingers. A lot of fun. So how about?

Speaker 2: 7:40

you, I think since the last time we talked somebody the most consistent on the podcast with training because, yes, I went out and raced last weekend and then had to take five days off running, unfortunately. So getting back into it now. Yeah, I don't know what it was. It was one of those like odd things on the flight over, as over racing in Victoria BC, which is a beautiful place to race. If you haven't done, there's an Ironman 70.3 there. I went over to do the duathlon as a little tune up because the world champs are coming up in three weeks, which is very, very soon.

Speaker 2: 8:13

But yeah, kind of after the flight I was feeling this ache in my hip which was bizarre. I hadn't felt it before I get off the flight. It's kind of aching and it was just kind of uncomfortable. That sore, achy feeling leading into the race and race day. It was very painful for most every step, which was not the most pleasant, and one of those things where you're kind of questioning should I stop or keep going? It was one of those like very borderline kind of calls, but it's hard to stop when you're in the lead.

Speaker 2: 8:46

So and you know it and you're like yeah, it's like, okay, I can made enough time on the bike, I can kind of cruise it through the run and then I'm running and I'm like, well, this really hurts with every step. This was probably a bad idea, but I'm halfway around the lake so I've got to get back anyways. But, um, yeah, so fortunate one, which is great. Um, the Argon bike is definitely fast. I was only two guys out biked me by 40 seconds, so if I'd known that would have put a little bit more time. But, um, the bike is definitely dialed in. With the aero testing I've been doing with Ghibli setting up the new Argonne, I am getting a lot of speed for the power I'm putting out, which is good because I've been doing a lot more working than training these days and I will take every bit of speed I can get out there.

Speaker 2: 9:34

But it was so much fun. Just like. That place is great because it's such a great atmosphere. It's not that like Ironman set up where people can get a little intense at times. Everyone's just out there, have a good time, race hard in a beautiful place and get a sense of community. So it was really, really a lot of fun. The race is the Victoria Half. So if you're looking for something to do mid-year, check it out. We had almost a Paris-like situation. I almost got a lot more competition on the course. They had a blue-green algae algae advisory, so up until like the day before the race, they were like you might all be doing duathlons.

Speaker 3: 10:10

We'll uh, wait and find out, which would have been awesome, I think but yeah, for you, now that you know about the run, injury, ish or flare off, it would have been maybe a little different yeah, that's the funny part.

Speaker 2: 10:23

It's kind of like I mean, more competition is always more fun, but it definitely helped um not having as much. Then again, it was the closest race I've had so far this year, so that was kind of fun to have someone um had to let the person go on the first run there and be like, okay, I'm gonna make it up on the bike and thankfully made it up on the bike and got enough time to get that win, but yeah kind of.

Speaker 2: 10:48

Yeah, the last few days have been a lot of back and forth with my coach. It's funny I rarely talk to my coach. It's one of those things like just tell me what to do, I'll do it, I'll tell you if anything feels off, kind of thing. But he's still on top of it with of playing this out because we are so close to my goal race for the year. So it was a lot of okay, try this, how's that feel, try this, how's that feel. And made it to the weekend, had some pain-free runs, which is awesome. So, as of today, kind of back into full training mode with three weeks until the World Championships.

Speaker 3: 11:24

So whew, it's kind of you know it might've been a good night blessing in disguise to have that little bit of time off after pushing, getting the race mindset back there, having a little bit of a push and then all right, four stays off. They're never fun, but it will be nice to have fresh and feel like you've trained to your best and get every little minute out of it. One of the things I've learned in a lot of my training is these sessions all count, and every one of them, even if it's an easy ride. Just to focus on certain aspects of what I'm working on my cadence, this ride I did this weekend 90 plus cadence. I averaged 94 cadence and that was the focus of that ride. It wasn't as much position and so when you get that limited build to this next day race, you're going to spend every minute of every workout really focused on the things you need to do.

Speaker 2: 12:21

Yeah, absolutely Definitely more hungry for the training and fresh. Yeah, absolutely Definitely more hungry for the training and fresh. And it meant I got to do one of my favorite sessions, which is just wanted to cut the intensity for a bit. So I got to go out and just do a long aerobic cruise with no goals. My favorite thing just head out by myself on the open road and do what feels good, Turn off the head and just turn the pedals. That is some of my favorite sessions.

Speaker 3: 12:44

I'm kind of looking forward to one of those. But I've packed my season, as we all know. You really have, but I'm the newbie. I mean I got to do this and we're still making, still making gains, so, um, and staying healthy, and that's been. I got injured towards the end of last year and for the that first marathon, so I've been healthy for almost a year straight now and, knock on wood, we're we're making progress.

Speaker 2: 13:09

So that's fantastic. Yeah, I need to figure out what I'm going to do after world champs. I'm kind of, yeah, I don't know. Usually I have my goal races later in the year, but mid-august it's kind of everything's open after that.

Speaker 3: 13:22

So I'll see kind of what sounds like fun, what I'll jump into afterwards I um did find out chicago apparently like so the, the foundation that we're running for. They sold out like within hours of the charity opening up, and other charities are asking, like other charities, on their like their, their, facebook group or whatever it is that they have.

Speaker 3: 13:49

Nobody has spots, so I mean, I've reached out. It's just one of those things that like now everyone, especially a marathon like that, where the goal number, the charity number that you have to raise, isn't that high like it is in boston and things like. They just fill up so quickly. So unfortunately that's not an option, but maybe hey, look at super track um weekend in chicago. Um, yeah, do that which that must be like late august, um, because boston's the 19th yeah, I think that's the next weekend yeah.

Speaker 2: 14:24

So I'll be a little too close with the flying back from Australia. In there I'm kind of looking at there's some gravel races and Belgian Waffle Ride will be over in Victoria, so I'm thinking I might finally go do some gravel racing. I haven't been putting anywhere near the volume that I need for it, but that's fine. I've got years of training, I'll survive.

Speaker 3: 14:43

I think you've been able to figure it all out, whether fully trained or not. So, yeah, you'll be fine there. I did find out. I had a call with Supertri last week as well, and there's a chance that I might be getting a media pass to the Boston event and maybe doing kind of like a mix zone interview thing. So stay tuned everyone. We'll hopefully have a group of people from Supertry on before that. So in the next three weeks or so, get a couple of coaches and some of the Supertry people on the podcast and then hopefully I'll be live there interviewing the Alexys and Hayden Wilds of the world?

Speaker 2: 15:29

No, that'd be awesome and that's honestly still to this date. My favorite triathlon experience is spectating is the formerly Super League race and stuff. Just because they're such tight courses they have great commentators usually on site telling you everything that's going on Big jumbo screens so you can follow the race. But you see the athletes just constantly like it, just especially some of these like 3k bike loops and go 800 meter runs and stuff like it is so much fun, the energy is great.

Speaker 3: 15:56

So we've been fans of the enduro, which is what this one is, too so swim by ground swim by ground, swim by ground one after the after the other, that's oh, I love it.

Speaker 2: 16:06

Those four rounds are so much fun and if anyone can go do some of those races, it's really painful but awesome. The worst feeling I've had in triathlon is going from a full out run to swimming. That is just just mean. You look at these athletes do it and you're like, oh, that looks hard. And then you do it and you're like, oh, this is just mean. You look at these athletes do it and you're like, oh, that looks hard. And then you do it and you're like, oh, this is just awful, like I'm just trying to get oxygen at this point.

Speaker 3: 16:32

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:33

Well, we had some racing go on this weekend and unfortunately we're missing a to do the race rundown, so you will have to put up with the two of us to do it. So you will have to put up with the two of us to do it. But we had a big race here in Ironman Lake, placid, and it was wow. There are two ways to go about this. One, the racing was interesting. Two if you just relied on the coverage, you wouldn't have known it. So first we'll jump into the women's results here.

Speaker 3: 17:05

Thank God for the extra tracker, for sure.

Speaker 2: 17:08

Yes, yes, it's sad when you need to have an app and follow social media and watch people's stories in order to get an idea of what is going on, and you should live in a different country so that you can watch it on YouTube.

Speaker 2: 17:22

Yeah and just battle around, but there was some good racing, um, a pretty incredible performance here with uh on the women's side. We'll start. We had daniella lewis. Just two weeks after finishing fifth at challenge roth that is not a lot of turnaround time from an iron distance she took her first full iron distance win of her career at Ironman Lake Placid with a 2.52 marathon, which is legit on that course. It's not an easy course there at all. And then we had second place. Jackie Herring pulled off another series podium after a win at Ironman Hamburg, and Alice Alberts, who was defending champion, rounded out the podium in third.

Speaker 2: 18:04

The news of the race, I think, though, was uh, sarah true. She, unfortunately it was hard to watch in there um, she was leading out the race, just absolutely smashing it, and then, unfortunately, it looks like the heat, the overheating, hit her again, and and this is something that we've seen with Sarah True before just having that heat stress. And unfortunately it's one of those things once you get that heat sickness, that heat stress to that degree, your body tends to be more susceptible to it. But oh, that was really hard to watch.

Speaker 2: 18:36

I don't even think they should have the cameras on her that much in there. It just yeah, that wasn't good.

Speaker 3: 18:47

Well, I mean that's part of the broadcast issues issues that they had. They were going to the one camera that was working half the time. But yeah, I mean we've we've seen her have very similar issues. They talked about it during the broadcast and knowing this is kind of similar to what she was doing, trying to cool herself off, and and I did see she finally posted this afternoon and kind of explained what happened and I guess it was around mile 16 where she started losing feeling in her hands and losing feeling in her face and she didn't feel like she was overheating enough. And then eventually her husband actually came and told her Good, yes, that's where she was told. But she said about an hour afterward she was, she was feeling better and feeling good and she thinks it might be hypoglycemic.

Speaker 3: 19:31

Um, so low blood sugar. Um, maybe not so much heat, um, but who knows, it's hard to tell that it. Obviously the weather was not a factor. Um, once the rain stopped in the morning, it was probably in the low 70s and not too humid. So, um, maybe it is a low blood sugar thing. It's something that she's going to get blood tests and try and figure out. It sounds like joe skipper's going to go get blood tests and try and figure out what happened to him.

Speaker 3: 19:55

So, yeah, it was hard to watch, um, because she had had such a good race too and she was running a great pace and not overcooking it, but just, I guess not taking in enough. And she didn't mention any issues, um, in terms of nutrition and things like that. But somehow it caught up to her.

Speaker 2: 20:15

Yeah, absolutely, and I think the conditions are harder than they're kind of talking about it. With um, like they say, it wasn't too hot and humid, but there were a number of athletes that seemed to be kind of in that heat stress kind of phase. You started to see it a lot, a lot more walking than you would expect in there Um, but yeah, I think that you wonder too.

Speaker 3: 20:34

Like is that because they didn't expect it to be an issue and maybe didn't hydrate as much as they would on an 85 degree day or higher humidity day and it just sneaks up on you.

Speaker 3: 20:47

So so quickly and and the pace? I mean the pace was ridiculous. We had two course records. I mean both men's and women's races were super fast on the bike, on the run, um, and I mean danielle lewis had the fastest bike, I believe, and she crashed, she went over over handlebar yeah, that's another part of it that I saw that crash in there too.

Speaker 2: 21:10

She just kind of overcooked a corner and went down and you know what?

Speaker 3: 21:14

she got back up, got riding again and it was seriously impressive check everything out, make sure it's good and just keep smashing it yeah, and speaking of smashing matthew marquardt, what he does on the bike gal, it's like magnus the left level. Like I'd love to see the two of them in a tt right now and it's so fun.

Speaker 2: 21:34

It's different styles too. Like magnus is so dialed in the aerodynamics and kind of locked in and stuff and marquette just seems to have this power that he can put out on the bike and especially a course like this. Like that is not an easy bike course and he just absolutely destroyed everyone on it.

Speaker 3: 21:52

Like that was seriously impressive yeah, yeah, when he came in T2, like over eight minutes up I mean, and that's 7,000 elevation. And I think like Lionel and Trevor had cut the lead in the first half down to like three minutes or four minutes, and then he extended it in the second loop.

Speaker 2: 22:12

Yeah, he did something over here. He's like hey, see ya, and it's not like it's weak cyclists behind him either, kind of thing like that is the best in the world some serious, serious time.

Speaker 2: 22:23

And now that not lanell is shaving his arms and legs again. Oh man, yeah. So we had for the men's race um, if you didn't follow along in it, we had. Trevor foley had an absolutely incredible performance here. Like we mentioned, matthew marquardt was, uh, leading the race for most of most of it and they head into the run, and trevor foley and lionel sanders came in very closely together. Lionel took the time to change into run shorts and a running top, which you know for an ironman comfort. It's not often that you're losing by 30 seconds, so cool. And if you need to make a bathroom stop is one thing they were talking about then it's certainly easier than the one piece tri suit there apparently he tested it out, according to Ari Clow on the triathlon hour.

Speaker 3: 23:13

Yeah, he's tested it out for the bathroom stop purposes specifically, and I mean it is a longer transition, as we all know, in an ironman to get out for that. It was definitely interesting to see him running in a tank top, that was for sure you know, lionel sanders has his own style, does his own thing.

Speaker 2: 23:32

You gotta love it. But uh yeah, everyone had lionel for the win in this thing. It's been so long since we've seen him win an iron man, but when the iron man's he has raised he was always second to like massive names, like the best in the world kind of thing.

Speaker 3: 23:46

So and massive performances too, like people throwing down their best performances while it happened again standout performances and that's exactly what trevor fully delivered.

Speaker 2: 23:55

He's been definitely up and coming for a while here and he has a background as a collegiate runner and stuff, so the run is definitely a strength that just till this point, he hasn't been able to put it all together the way he did this weekend, which was seriously impressive.

Speaker 2: 24:11

We had Trevor Foley. He, like I said, took the win and he ran away from Lionel Sanders and it was just, you know, it was actually good to see there. The one complaint in there, which we'll go into a lot more, is commercials cut out so much of this race and cameras cutting out cut out so much of this race. It just it was a mess to try to watch this thing like it really really was, and I don't know about you, but I was watching on outside and every time there's a commercial break it would kick me out of the feed so I'd have to exit out, go back in to start watching again, like I didn't have that issue, but I mean that would have put me over the limit I think I mean I had it running on my phone, casted to my tv, um, and I had no issues with that connection.

Speaker 3: 25:07

But, um, yeah, the, the amount of commercials, the timing of the commercials. There was no rhyme or reason to it and and this has been an all season long type thing. But again, this is such a big race and then, late in the race, what are you doing? Like, come on, let's, let's get to the line, let's, let's see this coverage. It's not like it wasn't close. And and then it got to the point where, like when the sarah true stuff started happening, they didn't even see the pass. No, so danielle went past her, jackie went past her, alice went past her, and they're like, yep, and she's still holding on and I think danielle's coming up on her. And let me refresh that tracker you guys made everyone use today and, yeah, they're all ahead of her. And I was like, but then the tracker was ahead of the coverage and I was like, oh, I don't want to refresh it too much yeah, isn't it alice alberts was coming and jackie was walking and they were all taking walk breaks.

Speaker 3: 25:59

I think I don't think I saw danielle walk um, but jackie definitely did. And I mean, in the men's race, trevor and matthew both walked and, yeah, sounds like lionel stopped for the bathroom. I mean he had some issues, but we didn't see any of that. They didn't show that. We didn't see Jackson have a really good run. Matt Hanson moved up. There was no coverage of 5th through 10th or 4th through 10th, really For half the bike ride, for half the bike ride, yeah, which is why they instituted the tracker.

Speaker 2: 26:35

But yeah, it was really bad um, on the bike for sure that begs the question like should this be part of the ironman pro series if you can't cover most of the race because of issues broadcasting even on the run? I don't know if it was the same for yours, but they were like speeding up, slowing down as the signal like caught up, and I was just like this is giving me a headache to watch at this point I just like this is so are they pedaling at 140 cadence right now and then 50?

Speaker 2: 27:07

like really, if you're trying to push this as a broadcast package, you like you can't. Like I am a super fan of like iron man triathlon stuff. I ended up turning it off because I was just so like I said it kept kicking me out. It was shaky like I just I couldn't watch it anymore, so I just followed along on the tracker till they finished. I'm like okay if I'm not, it was.

Speaker 3: 27:31

It was as a fan and I like I thought about you a lot and and feday like, just like how frustrating that is to to those of us, and there's a lot of us in this industry that are trying to help spread the word.

Speaker 3: 27:44

Get this sport growing more than it is, because it has a lot of momentum right now. T100 and and super, try trying to pick up the the momentum a bit more. Ironman's the biggest beast out there and they're dropping the ball on the biggest stage and their biggest events and it's not like they broadcast every week. It's something that should be figured out. Yeah, and I get it on the bike Fine, whatever.

Speaker 3: 28:12

But like drones, whatever you need to do, but when you get back to the stadium and you get close to town, there should not be any issues on the run and like you couldn't even like the finish line was chopping out and the best coverage of the day was the youtube age group finish line cam. Afterwards I watched that for four hours straight and there wasn't a damn. It didn't glitch. Once I'm watching Mike Riley cheer everyone in and Trevor Foley and Daniel Lewis coming back out and I sent Daniel a message. I was like this is awesome to see you guys out there and I know a lot of the champions do that at the Ironman events but to see them out there and tossing t-shirts and with the attitude that they had and they just they were special for them to be on there, so I that was the best part of the day was the freaking age group, like him well and you know what they keep saying like oh, iron man's boring, it's long to watch, it's hard to commentate.

Speaker 2: 29:09

I just spent three weeks watching the tour de france, with sprint stages that were more interesting than that. And the sprint stages they all just cruise together until the last two kilometers, like it. It's partly the coverage that you can't see what's going on. But they need to level up with the commentators. I'm sorry, like I love these athletes as people who have, who inspired me when they're racing as pros and getting it done and stuff, but it's just it's low energy. They don't know the athletes names, they don't know how to pronounce them. They don't.

Speaker 2: 29:40

There's no like stories on the athletes like these tour de france commentators.

Speaker 2: 29:44

They know guy number 123 in the peloton came from this part of the world and his favorite meal is this kind of deal.

Speaker 2: 29:50

Like they spend a lot of time doing the research so they have these things to talk about, like meals in the region and like different interesting points on there.

Speaker 2: 29:59

But they just know so many of these athletes stories that they actually have something to talk about when nothing's happening. And then you go to the iron man coverage and it's like they can't even pronounce their names right and they're shocked by people who we, as fans, know are up and coming and they're just surprised to see them, kind of thing, and it's it. You feel like they really know the athletes of their generation very well and those that were up and coming when they're racing, but most time it feels like there's not a lot of research going into it, it's low energy and it just yeah, it could be done so much better I mean you mean it's a great comparison too, because I mean what would fill, I mean what they do with the Tour de France, christian, all of them, it's 21 stages of, let's say, average four to five hours talking about the same people over and over and over again 21 days.

Speaker 3: 30:54

And there isn't one story I remember them telling twice. There isn't anything that lost my interest. And they're so good at what they do because that's their super bowl and they spent the time to be ready for it and they're professional. How many pro series races are on outside? And I mean, how often do they have to do this? So to not even and this was the other thing. Like we're they, they're promoting the pro series and the standings and it was like I could calculate what the results in the top 10 were gonna be as the ladies were finishing after as the guys were finishing, because it was pretty easy to add 5 000 and then 4 600 or whatever it may be, and then figure out who wasn't racing and like they're all going to leapfrog them and this is going to be our new one two, three and like they couldn't figure it out, it was like that should be, that that should lead the last few miles of the marathon.

Speaker 2: 31:50

Yeah, like talk about how it's changing, how things are going up, and even so I was talking to Torsten Rad. So I was talking to Torsten Rad, who does tri-rating over in San Francisco and stuff. He's like I've tried to offer my services or give info to Ironman. They're just not interested, they don't see any value. And it's like this could be a thing You're counting down like okay, if Lionel gets in in this X amount of minutes, he'll be this part of the, this point in the rankings, kind of thing. But if he takes this long, long, he'll be however many steps down at the end of the year. That could be this much less money kind of thing.

Speaker 3: 32:24

Like there's so many talking points that they could go into, but you just get the feeling that they don't know no, the only thing I think they kind of figured out was like I think if jackson holds on to seventh, he might get a kona slot, and they were like trying to figure out who's already taken one and not. I was like no, he's getting Kona at seven. So I was getting.

Speaker 2: 32:42

I was getting a little frustrated with that too, especially like I watched every minute of the Tour de France for three weeks and I was entertained and I had to turn this off because I was just getting so frustrated like and then we watched the move every night and watched lance and george talk about it watch the recaps of the five-hour race that I watched all day and tade went from being the next lance armstrong to winning stages the correct way before it's all over done yeah, that the tour.

Speaker 2: 33:12

It was so good. But before we jump that, let's see where the rankings are. I pulled these up before we got started here, so if anyone's curious where we're looking for the top, go top 10 for right now. But Jackie Herring is at the top of the rankings with 14,400. Lewis, alice Alberts, maya Stage-Nielsen, kelly Simpson, daniela Blamoth, kat Matthews, erin Schenkels, vanilla Langridge and Lottie Wilms, although I will say I'm guessing we're going to see a few Kat Matthews out there doing a few more races and getting some more points in there. I would be shocked if she didn't end up winning the series. But I like that there's so much range at this point, like nothing's decided yet, which makes a little bit more interesting.

Speaker 3: 34:03

I think daniel lewis has five races accounted for too, so her in second, that's with the full five, whereas jackie herring and alice alberts only have four each that they're counting.

Speaker 2: 34:16

Good call. Yeah, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 3: 34:19

So they still have some more to gain just by another race. In finishing they're going to get more points, whereas Danielle has to have a better finish than what she has in her five current.

Speaker 2: 34:29

To level up there. Yeah, and Kat Matthews only has two. I'm surprised she doesn't have more 70.3.

Speaker 3: 34:34

So I thought I guess, yeah, she really has it. And then she had the DQ in the one Ironman.

Speaker 2: 34:41

Yeah, hamburg. Well, she will have to get some points over there in Cone or in Nice. This year.

Speaker 3: 34:50

So you have the worlds, both worlds, and that's where it's going to come down to.

Speaker 2: 35:01

There'll be some extra points. Who's doing Frankfurt? That's the other one. And then, on the men's side, we've got Matt Hansen topping out the charts, followed by Jackson Laundrie, and then Colin Schultz, chris Lieferman, matthew Marquardt, arnaud Guillaume, justin Riale, trevor Foley, stan Gautsvar and Lionel Sanders up in 10th now. So he's on the board and he got sounds like the main goal there was getting that Kona qualification spot, so he got that done. Speaking of which, we saw a we didn't mention Joe Skipper. He ended up pulling out of the race and said he wasn't feeling himself. You mentioned in there, but that means no Kona qualification spot, and I don't believe he has an entry to the next Ironman, so he could be entirely out of the world champs, which is, yeah, unfortunate to see and he's got.

Speaker 3: 35:51

I actually watched the pro panel um interviews too and it got to. I think joe started it for the men as the two defending champs, alice and joe, started um. He was in tears at the end of his interview um talking about his season and then how hard it's been on him and and it was. It was very shocking um to to see him get that deep and how much of a struggle it's been trying to figure out what's going on um and then to have the dq and and to or to sorry, the the dnf yesterday um and pull out of the race and then put a story up or a post up about why and how he's gonna get testing done and figure out what's going on. Yeah, there, he was at the beer mile this morning, um, but yeah, I mean it's. It's been something that's weighing on him and we talk about this all the time people who are enjoying racing and having fun racing it just allows them to go out and do what they need to do.

Speaker 3: 36:56

And and I mean, imagine danielle lewis not being in the right mindset, crashing and then like, but being in that mindset, I mean she's in such a good place, like going to rough just to do rough and and to be around that and be around. There's so many of them jackie harings are back back doing and she wants to be in that hurt. And she got got in that hurt yesterday and was still able to hold on for a second. So when you're in a bad mindset it clearly shows performance-wise. It's so hard to get over the top of it until you can get the mind right.

Speaker 2: 37:32

Well, and that's just it. Especially with Ironman, you can fake a lot of shorter distances, distances but with iron man it's absolutely as much of a mental battle as it is a physical one. So hopefully joe can figure out what's going on there and be back to his winning ways. He seriously impressed me at that sub seven sub a project like coming so close to christian off of no notice and just getting it done. That was an incredible performance. But the last while has not, unfortunately, gone his way. So hopefully we'll see him back to fighting form soon. It's unfortunate to see him in Kona, yeah.

Speaker 3: 38:07

The last time he was there he was in fifth. He finished fifth, so it'll be interesting to see how somebody like Trevor Foley and Jackson Laundrie qualify for Kona how they do. I don't think the course suits Trevor as much in Kona, so it'll be interesting to see a lot of new. Matthew Marquardt how does he go there?

Speaker 2: 38:29

How do they deal with the heat? That's basically the question at the end of the day in Kona how can you deal with the heat stress in there? And what does that mean for Lionel Sanders? Like I'm sure he's not. Like he stated, Kona was the goal. He wants that world championship result. He's going after it, and this wasn't exactly a Kona winning performance. It was so great to see him back there and racing again, but I'm kind of curious where his headspace is after.

Speaker 3: 38:56

Can he run? Can he run to win kona? I mean?

Speaker 2: 39:02

I don't know if he's got a sub 240 in him well and he doesn't have the bike advantage that he had years ago because everyone, yeah, he puts out some power and man can that man suffer. But everyone else has put a lot of time into one building that power and bike strength and just getting slippery in the wind so they are moving faster and more efficiently, right. So, yeah, be curious to see how it shakes out. Should be a good race at least. But yeah, the Tour de France incredible race. It was so much fun to watch in there race. It was so much fun to watch in there. And this pagacha vanguard battle for the last few years has definitely kept it interesting, because it would be no fun if it was just one of them off the front. This is definitely one of those rivalries, for that'll be remembered forever it was an awesome three weeks.

Speaker 3: 39:53

It was an awesome final week in the, the mountains again, the final like two weekends, um, I mean, and we saw who was in the best form and in the best space, clearly, um, it was nice to see yonas bounce back in the last couple of stages. Um, it's amazing. He made the start line. We talked about this. I mean to to be where he was six weeks, seven weeks, before the tour and and then to get there was amazing. Um, to to show he was in shape enough to compete was unreal, uh.

Speaker 3: 40:28

And then to tag along, having remco step up and really show that he belongs and not only on the tt bike and doing that he was, he was climbing and he's like I'm gonna do my own thing in the mountains and and he's a good long climber, um, so, like a tour like the welton, things like that might not suit him well with the steeper climbs, but it's uh, he's gonna be somebody to reckon with for a while. And Matteo Jorgensen man, what an awesome performance from the US. And who knows, if these guys were on different teams and they were actually the captains, what could they do?

Speaker 2: 41:05

Well, that's just the thing.

Speaker 3: 41:07

Matteo was pulling for Jonas, the whole way.

Speaker 2: 41:12

No, it was absolutely incredible and ending up eighth after putting all that work in just trying to pull him along and I got to give a shout out for Derek G, canadian top 10 in there getting ninth place, which was incredible. But you know, vinogard, this is the most emotion we've ever seen him Like. Sometimes I guess people don't really connect with him because he seems like this robot, like figure and Pagache is this like like having fun kid racing, kind of energy, and vinegar was just kind of get it done, do the thing when. But he like he really went through something with that crash and it sounds like two punctured lungs and just like man.

Speaker 3: 41:51

To be able to be second best in the world after that is absolutely astonishing and to get through a couple scary moments in this tour where his tire and his wheels were slipping out and he's on a descent and, like now, they all have they all have that at some point to have that coming off a crash, and I I think Christian talked about it those crashes can take years, if not careers, to figure out and come back from fully before you descend at 55 miles an hour as opposed to 49 or 52. It's a big difference when you're descending and Tade knew it and that's where they really pushed him, was on the descents and tried to get away.

Speaker 2: 42:36

You know what impressed me was Pagaccia on that final time trial. He was pushing the limit of every single corner. He got like a five minute lead going into the thing and it was holding back right, you just have to make it to the finish line.

Speaker 3: 42:52

I was getting scared. I get anxiety watching them descend and I got anxiety on that TT course.

Speaker 2: 43:01

Those drone shots, that looked phenomenal. That's where I was like oh my God, that looks so much fun.

Speaker 3: 43:08

Yeah, I want to go ride that and George kept talking about how he rode that and it's some beautiful ride and that's not an easy tt course either. I mean that climb out of monaco is not fun um, you could tell right from the beginning that we got to witness um a lot of riders, just like we're out here for the day, like cav, I mean, like calves, like barely in tt, he wasn't even in his bars it.

Speaker 2: 43:37

It was so fitting that he got the Flamme Rouge, though like last place, to finish it out. Kudos to him for going through the mountains like finishing the race. He could have said 35, no more sprint stages, peace out done. But no, he had his team around him and he finished out the event, although I will say it feels anticlimactic with the time trial for the last stage like they talked about this lance and george.

Speaker 3: 44:05

You can't have a sprint finish in nice. It's just, it's not like the champs, it's not set up to have that wide group sprint finish safely. Um, you're kind of twisting and turning through the streets and it's not gonna work. And not not that the cobblestones are great either, but it's a wider finish. So, unfortunately, if they have to go back to nice, it sounds like you would never. It would always have to be that time yeah, no, definitely.

Speaker 2: 44:36

But yeah, there's something, that final sprint, that would have been such a fairy tale moment if, like, kev got 36 on the chance to lease it in the last day, like oh, that would have been incredible it certainly was anticlimactic.

Speaker 3: 44:48

And for my wife, who got into it and started watching the move with me after and like she was like wait, that's it today.

Speaker 2: 44:55

One it's over yeah, yeah he's the last one out there any of the writers usually get to drink champagne and take pictures for most that stage no, we're gonna go.

Speaker 3: 45:09

We're gonna go. Ftp test on the hardest. It doesn't mean anything, the only thing that mattered was like 10th and 11th and that was it.

Speaker 2: 45:13

It doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 3: 45:14

The only thing that mattered was like 10th and 11th.

Speaker 2: 45:18

And that was it. I know, oh, just craziness, but no, it was definitely an epic tour, as always. And I heard Bagaccia pulled out of the Olympics actually, which you know. I'm surprised by how many athletes are actually doing the Olympics after a three week tour. That is probably more shocking than him pulling out. It's just how many people are going to back it up. But at least now some other people have a chance to win. But we jump right into the Olympics at the end of this week, which I am way too aware of because I am doing digital marketing for Cycling Canada for the Olympics. So I have been living and breathing start lists and races and schedules for the Olympics the last little while and it's it's pretty fun to get into it because there's gonna be some epic racing once again.

Speaker 3: 46:09

We are not lacking for great stuff to watch in endurance sports these days now I'm just treating today like a day off in the tour and I I'm going to probably have that feeling tomorrow, like I can't put peacock on today.

Speaker 2: 46:22

I don't. Yeah, it was so in my office even like set up the TV so I could like watch it as I was working all day and keep it going. The um, the boardroom at my office has like this massive 90 inch tv that was more often than not taken over with the tour, if you guys don't mind.

Speaker 3: 46:41

no, it's so much fun to have that day in, day out but, like you said, we got the olympics coming up and, uh, a lot, of, a lot of big iron man and t100 and t100 london which we can get into speaking of which, yeah, we have a big one coming up this weekend which I'm so excited to see this go down as much as I can.

Speaker 2: 46:59

It's at the same the men's race, at the same time as Ironman Calgary. So I'll be like on my phone, cheering on athletes on my phone, watching T100, seeing how it all goes down. But let's jump into it. T100 in London Sounds like this course is going to be pretty flat overall, which is kind of disappointing after the fun of San Francisco, like totally mixing up. So this may end up being more of a runner's race, but let's jump into who's racing. On the women's side, we have Amelia Watkinson, anne Haug, anne Reichman, ashley Gentle, chelsea Sedaro, emma Pallant-Brown, anne Reichman, ashley Gentle, chelsea Sedaro, emma Pallant-Brown, grace Deck, Haley Chura, imogen Simmons, india, lee Kaida Kibboja, kat Matthews, laura Madsen, laura Phillip, lisa Norton, lucy Byram, lucy Charles-Fergley, marjolaine Pierre, sophie Caldwell and Tamara Jewett. So stacked, stacked field. And you know, no Taylor Nip, so we won't have someone off their front. They'll actually be battling it out here, which will make it more interesting.

Speaker 3: 48:03

Well the usuals, actually have a chance of winning this time.

Speaker 2: 48:06

Right, I'm so curious to see how Anne Haug goes. She just had that absolutely incredible performance at Challenge Raw fastest time ever by a female athlete. It's kind of like, well, she's in super great form. How much damage did she do at Challenge Raw? And we really haven't seen her in the T100 yet. So we're really curious to see how she goes out there.

Speaker 3: 48:31

And it's one thing to do what Danielle Lewis did and do back-to-back Ironman's a couple weeks apart. Who else did we have? Who did back-to-back Roth and Vittoria in um, but doing going from iron man into the t100 or 70 point? One too short different, different beasts when you're, you're red line yeah, especially in a field like this, where it's there's no tailwind so it's gonna bunch everyone up.

Speaker 3: 49:05

There are gonna be packs chasing down lucy charles and lucy by I mean like you're gonna have your couple swimmers out, but for the most part it's going to be everyone else chasing on the bike and it'll be interesting to see what Ash Gentle we get, what Chelsea Sedaro we get. These guys haven't raced a lot and it's been a while and it's a different course and different weather.

Speaker 2: 49:31

I want to see Ash Gentle and Lucy Charles-Barkley See if they really haven't had too many clashes head-to-head yet and both rock these series. When they're on it. With Anne Haug, half of me is kind of like well, I don't know if she'll really factor. Like you said, doing the long to short is just not great.

Speaker 3: 49:50

This could be a check for her too, right? She hasn't shown up to a t100.

Speaker 2: 49:54

Yet, yeah, and isn't she? She's already behind on her contract obligations, isn't she?

Speaker 3: 50:00

there's so many loopholes in those contracts is what we're finding out like nobody's nobody's off their contract because they just legally didn't have them tight yeah it, it sounds like it, maxie Newman, I mean, he hasn't been.

Speaker 2: 50:15

Man, so it'll be interesting to see there. You got some bike power with Lisa Norton in the field. Of course Kat Matthews will be tearing up the bike as well, and then India Lee we're going to see her back on here and she had that incredible performance at the start of the year, so we're curious to see how she shakes it up. Performance at the start of the year, so be curious to see how she shakes it up it. Really I like that. There's more variety, like you said, with the climate, especially because we know a few athletes like ash gentle put her in hot, humid, crazy temperatures. I'm just gonna smash it right. I can't imagine london is gonna be too crazy hot this weekend. Um, and you have the the lucy charles berkley on home soil. That definitely gives you a little bit of boost there too.

Speaker 3: 50:54

I think the home soil thing is going to be a big thing for a number of them. Lucy, with a couple seconds taking San Francisco off coming back, and no Taylor Nibs she knows she's got an opportunity, so it is. It's a tough one to call for sure yeah, absolutely curious to see.

Speaker 2: 51:16

Well, it should be some great racing to watch go down. We know um ashley gentle and amelia walkinson both just had coach changes. I think I heard chelsea sedaro did as well, so be curious to see if we see anything different there. I'm a little curious why they changed coaches.

Speaker 2: 51:32

That's yeah you always kind of, you know, wonder what's going on there, whether it's like to see if we see anything different there. I'm a little curious why they changed coaches. You always kind of wonder what's going on there, whether it's like, okay, did not have the performance, especially Ash Gentle, because she's been destroying the T100 for the 100-kilometer distance before it was T100 for a while there. So I guess we'll see if we see different athletes this weekend and it does look like the weather is going to be like so fahrenheit low 70s.

Speaker 3: 52:05

Oh okay, it's like low to mid 70s mostly partly cloudy.

Speaker 2: 52:07

It's like sunny a little bit, but yeah, no rain that'll be decent for london yeah, especially that course.

Speaker 2: 52:11

If it's flat, it's just gonna be. Hopefully they don't all just roll around on the bike together, uh, but they will have race range, I'm assuming, and t100 has that 20 meter draft rule definitely breaks it up a lot more people can't just roll around in packs as much, so hopefully we'll see some good racing there. That is definitely about women's field. I think I'm more excited about the women's race than the men's because it's just there. There's so many possibilities there.

Speaker 3: 52:35

They're both good fields, but I agree with you. The women's field without Taylor Nibb just adds that different factor. It makes it a race for first, whereas before we're like all right, who's getting on the podium?

Speaker 2: 52:49

Who's fighting it out for second?

Speaker 3: 52:50

and third.

Speaker 2: 52:53

Then on the men's side, we've got Aaron Royal, alistair Brownlee, ben Knute, clement Mignon, daniel Bakkegard, david McAmey, frederick Funk, gregory Barnaby, Jason Stratman, jason West, kyle Smith, leon Chevalier, magnus Dietler, max Newman, maybe Peter Heinrich, rico Bogan, rudy Von Berg, sam La Laidlow, Sam Long and Yuri Kulin. Whew, yeah, which Sam Laidlow will we have show up?

Speaker 3: 53:23

The one who doesn't care because he got his Kona slot.

Speaker 2: 53:30

We didn't even talk about that. Oh yeah, I guess we still need to do the what the app and stuff afterwards, but we'll definitely jump into a lot more of that. But um yeah, I'm hearing rumblings that brownlee is saying that he is fit and ready to fire and talk about some good vibes and home soil with. Uh. His last race in london went pretty well, winning the olympic gold medal, just you know. Hopefully pull some good vibes from that yeah, he's.

Speaker 3: 54:00

Uh, again, the home turf is definitely a factor in this one um, because they get one race, whereas the americans have a few different options. Um, but I think this is their race to go get um. Man, it's gonna be. It's gonna be fast on the men's side too, when you're talking about that bike and not as hilly of a course. And and now, sam long with a t100 build. I think there's not many of them in this field that have been t100 focused. Um, they've all done other races, but alistair has been t100 focused and long have been t100 focused, so it'll be interesting to see if sam can have a decent swim um, to me, I think sam is my favorite just because of the focus he's been on.

Speaker 2: 54:48

Yeah, um, and literally break that second place curse right.

Speaker 3: 54:53

I think we might have two second place curses broken this weekend. I think we might have lcb and and yo yo yo take it in for like finish in the same place all the time too right all the way through man and sam's gonna have the pressure if she does that right, because the women are on saturday and the men are on sunday.

Speaker 2: 55:14

If she wins, he's gotta win. Yeah, yeah, I mean here's to see, but you know what you can. Man magnus deetliff is a hard character to pass up for a win in there, especially at this t100 series on a flat course where those aero gains really make a massive difference, to see him kind of tearing up that bike.

Speaker 3: 55:33

But it'll be interesting to see how the kona athletes start to approach the t100 as we get closer um, and even with the woman in nice too, if this just becomes a contract check and get through.

Speaker 3: 55:50

You know you've already got a few results and you're doing okay in the standings and the grand final is really what matters. But you've got to focus on long distance, and we've already seen. I mean, look, lionel finished third and he had a good showing, but lionel doesn't look like he's ready to compete um so. But we know magnus and we know sam laidlow, even though he had a dq, was still right there in second. He was having a pretty decent day. But how do they approach the shorter distance and how important is it to them to finish these next few races before Kona?

Speaker 2: 56:28

Yeah, and with the women's that's coming up even faster, with niece in september. So really kind of getting into that time frame. And there's a few athletes. We don't know, um, because we haven't heard anything, if allister is going to be doing something like frankfurt trying to get that spot or if he's just going all in on t100 and we should be able to find out, too, if he is doing Frankfurt. I don't think the pro start list was out yet.

Speaker 3: 56:55

Yeah. Well, we would know, we would probably find out if he's even on it, right, because it's closed. There's no more entries, because that's what they were talking about with Sam Lalo. It's like you can't get on it. It's locked and I think you have to do it three weeks out so there was no way for him to do. Lake Placid or Frankfurt Was one of the things. I guess you only have until three weeks if there's even a spot, which there was.

Speaker 2: 57:21

Yeah, and they ended up closing that one a lot earlier. It sounds like yeah, that's interesting. It's definitely that's where this T100 kind of it's good and bad. You don't quite know where people are with that. Some of them are straight out upset, and that's one thing for Lucy Charles-Barclay too. She said she's doing Nice and that's coming up in September. So I think she started to tailor some of that focus to the long distance instead of just focusing on the intensity that she has been doing going in.

Speaker 3: 57:50

How hard of a training day does she have in London Right?

Speaker 2: 57:55

Yeah, I know, and I think it's really you do see that out on course, like you can definitely see the difference and people like a few of them have Ironmans in their legs recently, so it's just definitely changes that for sure. So, good call with Sam Long. Definitely he's focused on T100, getting it done, putting it out there. I guess I should make a pick in there too. Man, I want to pick Alistair.

Speaker 3: 58:29

But every time I do it just doesn't work. Don't forget, we still have Kyle Smith in this one too. So I mean, there's Martin Reels out, he's doing the Olympics, kyle Smith's there.

Speaker 2: 58:42

Yeah, true, true, I'm going to do it.

Speaker 3: 58:52

One last time.

Speaker 2: 58:56

He's not letting go. Alistair, he's been playing with the Ghibli arrow sensor, so I'm going to say he's super slippery and aerodynamic Unbelievable.

Speaker 3: 59:07

I know it's not a bad pick, we know that. And then I think the weather is going to be on his side and he's at home, and neither of the Brownlees made the Olympic team, so this is their opportunity.

Speaker 2: 59:22

Yeah, I'm curious to see what Johnny gets up to after this.

Speaker 3: 59:26

Super try. I didn't really hear anything there.

Speaker 2: 59:32

No, they got their super try team, oh right, right, right. Yeah, their super try team, oh right right, yeah, super dry. Yeah, the brownlee team, that'll be good to see. Yeah, um, okay, on the women's side, who do you got there?

Speaker 3: 59:42

I'm really having a hard time picking here I mean I almost talked myself out of going with lucy charles. Um, I'll let you go first on the women's side, since I went first on the men's.

Speaker 2: 59:50

Oh man, let's see. See, I want to say Angelica's in crazy shape, but two weeks after an Ironman, that's pretty rough in there. I'm going to go. Ashley Gentle, you know what she knows this distance, she crushed it. Hopefully she's excited and reinvigorated with a new coach and also using an air sensor at the moment, so she'll be fast out on course it's a good pick.

Speaker 3: 1:00:21

It's a really good pick. Um, my, my concern with my pick is again that same thing the ironman factor and, like you said, with annie doing roth cat and lucy being focused on niece, I just I mean, I really think cat is in a good spot right now and I almost I feel like she just loves winning and she just wants to win.

Speaker 3: 1:00:50

She's pretty and Lucy is defending champ. So, like I want to defend Kona, I want to prove that I'm not just Kona and I can climb. So I'm going to go with Kat at T100 London.

Speaker 2: 1:01:04

Yeah, she's going to take it. I like it. Well, let's run through our social media. And what the F? How about we start with social media, because I think we'll have some thoughts on the what the F.

Speaker 3: 1:01:16

Well, I mean, I almost think we should just do like multiple what the Fs?

Speaker 2: 1:01:20

At this point we really could.

Speaker 3: 1:01:24

So the social media posts and if you check out both Daniel Lewis and Trevor Foley's pages and Jen and I talked about this I think before we got on air their run I believe they both broke the record on run. They both broke the course records overall as well. But Trevor had his 5K splits where he was sub 20 all the way until maybe the last five or 10 kilometers to go, and I mean just absolutely insane pace that he held until he got the lead really, and and even then, maybe just a little bit before he could see matthew marquardt. It was the one part they did get on the coverage right was you could see trevor foley just like tracking him down. He was. He was totally he's like do I pass him yet or not? I was like I should. This was after I had just raced too and and I passed the guy too early and I left too much time and he got me again with a quarter mile, like a tenth of a mile left, um, but this was the same thing. I was like trevor, just hold off, don't pass him yet, let him go. He knows you're there, let him just stay your thing. And you could see as soon as he got in front, he used a little bit extra, had to walk, but it's insane. I mean you look at those To see him broken out.

Speaker 3: 1:02:46

And we've talked about this before in some of the other crazy run splits that we've seen. But this before and some of the other crazy run splits that we've seen, but the 5k, 5k, 5k after another, after another, another consistency, and daniel lewis was, I mean hers were had a couple sub 20s and then everything else was 20, 21. I mean just consistent all the way through. Um, and you can see where they were on the course too. It was like the first 5k and the fifth 5k we're like all right, second loop, first loop, downhill section before the uphills, and then those uphills look brutal on the, especially on the second lap, and what an awesome performance.

Speaker 3: 1:03:20

And I mean we talked about it a lot already, but it's uh, it was an epic race for an epic course on the 25th anniversary and and just the whole day. So, yeah, check out both of their pages, give them all the high fives and kudos whole day. So, yeah, check out both of their pages, give them all the high fives and kudos and all that anyways, because they both deserve it and both of theirs are long-distance wins, so really cool.

Speaker 2: 1:03:41

No, absolutely Very cool. Have to check those out. And on to the what the F. We said we'd go into it a little bit more, but there is a little bit of drama with Sam Laidlow Just not new.

Speaker 2: 1:03:59

But he did that Ironman race and what happened apparently was he was given a drafting penalty and he decided not to serve that penalty, which resulted in a disqualification, and said that he was going to contest it at the end of the race. Now if you don't know, if you're given a penalty and you don't serve it, automatic DQ. It won't be reversed, like it really won't. So if athletes do want to contest it, typically they would stop for the penalty, take it, finish the race and keep moving forward. Sam decided not to do that and it was really weird on the coverage too, because you knew for a while he was going to leave, but they weren't talking about it at all and then they went through the DQ. So the weird thing about that on a couple sides is, as a previous like as his results in Kona before and well, at Nice, um, he just has to do a validation race to qualify for the world championships in Kona, so he just has to get through a race. So you think if you got a five minute penalty, yeah, it might take away the win, but if you serve it, finish out the race, you're qualified for Kona and you can do the big race for the year in there.

Speaker 2: 1:05:14

Um. So he was taking one hell of a gamble by not taking that penalty, seeing if he can contest it and still get that Kona spot. But even just leaving it that late in the year, like when you have all that runway, fire him. I would have done it way earlier, just kind of cruise through an Ironman and take it off the off the list, um. So he did end up contesting it after the race, and they said no, the, we're holding up the penalty like you did.

Speaker 2: 1:05:40

Draft. He apparently went back to them saying well, if you look at my race ranger data, I spent less time in red than everyone else, which doesn't really matter. If you're spending time in red when the draft busters are there, then you get the drafting penalty, the. What the f really, though, is ironman has some pretty vague verbiage around their rules for these qualification races. So sam went back to ironman and um said he believes he should still get that kona validation, and ironman agreed with him, so he will be racing the world championships.

Speaker 2: 1:06:15

They said he did validate his spot. Um, he put in a solid performance and that was the goal of the validation, so he will get that start in Kona. I don't know that that sets a bad precedence. Like it'd be one thing if you served the penalty and contested it afterwards To give someone of that high profile say totally fine, you ignored the drafting rules and the referees and just went on and did what you felt like anyways, but we're still going to let you go race Kona. That doesn't give me warm and fuzzy feelings. What do you think, josh?

Speaker 3: 1:06:53

I mean, they found a loophole to be able to explain it the way they wanted to, to get their defending champion in the race. I don't think anyone was ever doubting whether or not he was going to be racing. It was how they were going to explain it and appease everyone, um, on both sides the competitors and and the marketing brands and the sponsors and all that. Um, who knows if they'll change the validation rules um going forward? I don't think they will. Um, do, do, do the defending champions get an automatic slot?

Speaker 3: 1:07:31

Um, there was some recent stuff come up in golf, like Tiger Woods can play in the British Open until he's 60, and one of the other golfers was like I think he should have to prove himself and he's not that good anymore. Well, this is kind of a similar situation. Defending champions in other major sports kind of have a free pass. So maybe they go that route. But I'm not surprised. It is unfortunate because literally, like you said, all he had to do was stop at the tent, take his penalty, contest it afterwards. He didn't need a result um, he just needed to finish the race. And that's the part that I think most people are like whatever, like he doesn't deserve to be there because all he had to do was serve his penalty, finish the race and not care about he. Could have finished 30th and he would validate yeah, and it's funny you mentioned that.

Speaker 2: 1:08:22

So it used to be that, um, the ironman championship winner, uh, would get a spot free and clear for the next five years.

Speaker 2: 1:08:30

They didn't have to validate, they didn't have to race again. But they ended up changing that rule because they wanted athletes racing more of their races more often and then they had a very loosely worded one where I think it was Miranda Carfrae kind of jogged around in Ironman and like no, no, that doesn't work either. You have to be competitive in it, which is fair. The thing that I like about having to do that validation and having that real competitiveness is it puts everyone on an even playing field. So if you just have to, if there's one person that only has to do that one Ironman in a year, they definitely have a little bit more of an advantage with some that, like in every other regards as this, it's as if you didn't do this race by just saying no to the referees. I think that's the part that bugs me the most is that you flagrantly disregarded the rules and the referees and said I'm going to do what I want anyways.

Speaker 3: 1:09:24

And he tried to say that there was a miscommunication and it was not clear what he was supposed to do, and it's like these are the rules that have been in place.

Speaker 2: 1:09:30

You're a professional athlete, right.

Speaker 3: 1:09:31

Yeah, was supposed to do and it's like these are the rules that have been in place. You're a professional athlete, right? Yeah, it's your job to know this stuff, not go ask your dad what the rules are, type stuff and come on. I mean, as age groupers, we need to know this stuff, and as a professional, you better damn well know that I was kind of surprised with their how they went about it.

Speaker 2: 1:09:49

I could like he was gonna get a spot. I was guessing they'd do something like cause they do have the wildcard options of a hundred percent. Sure, they were just going to give him a wildcard, but I just yeah, anything we're saying to people, you can just disregard the rules and we'll reward you anyways. That's just not a good look, especially with like recent controversies and stuff.

Speaker 3: 1:10:06

Like we just want clean, clean, fair sport where everyone's on the same playing field well, when it comes time for october, we're still gonna have to now decide whether or not he's gonna win, because he's absolutely in the picture when it comes to the longest oh, 100, 100.

Speaker 2: 1:10:26

So yeah, that was a little bit of a what the f for me. Um, yeah, we'll see what happens over there in Kona, but probably age group athletes follow the rules. You don't want to DNF. That sucks, especially like all that work time With the pro series too, like he doesn't get any points or rankings or anything Like. Serve the penalty, move on.

Speaker 3: 1:10:48

That's another reminder. You say age groupers follow the rules.

Speaker 2: 1:11:06

Age groupers. Stop sharing videos of you on the bike coursedrafting race in there and even doing the pace line, like I could see them swapping turns every like two to three minutes as I was coming up on them and I just yelled I'm like guys, non-drafting race as I'm riding by solo, so you're not even going fast. I just I was so fed up because it took me a while to catch up with them and I was just like guys.

Speaker 3: 1:11:39

Yeah, that'll never change. Unfortunately, it's still crazy to me that people share videos literally breaking unreal.

Speaker 2: 1:11:43

Well, what is draft legal and what we will be talking about next week as it gets closer is the olympics are coming up. It all kicks off this Friday, which I'm so excited about, but we will have next week. Midweek will be the Olympic distance triathlon, followed by the mixed team relay, I believe a few days later, and you know Taylor Nitz just going to race everything in between. So a solid week of racing. Oh, she's not doing the road race, she's just doing the time trial individual race and possibly the relay. I guess we'll have to wait and see there, but we will break it all down next week and give our Olympic predictions going into that and, of course, do a recap on the T100 in London. So definitely give that a watch. It should be some epic racing. That's one thing I do enjoy about these T100 races it is the top of the top racing every time, keeping the pressure on and keeping it interesting. So we will have some fun following that and good luck to you Josh, this weekend. Have an awesome race.

Speaker 3: 1:12:42

Thank you, I'm looking forward to it, maybe my first Ironman podium, although with help from two others. But we got a swimmer who's ready to go down river and then, uh, let's see if I can do a 3k elevation bike ride in 240 or less. We'll see get it.

Speaker 2: 1:13:00

There's no, I mean you're gonna run afterwards for a training day, but just full gas on the bike.

Speaker 3: 1:13:05

Have some fun, I'm not running an all-out half marathon after all?

Speaker 2: 1:13:09

right, like I mentioned, if you are down in calgary for ironman 70.3 calgary, definitely check out, like I said, the show notes. I'll put some links in to come join us. We'll have some social time, the mana pop-up shop and an open water swim where you may see a number of devour wetsuits. But, um, just a chance to get a little sense of community, because we all love this crazy sport absolutely, and same thing goes for me.

Speaker 3: 1:13:34

Even though we don't have a like full-on mana thing, there's going to be a couple of us mana athletes there, so shoot me a message if you're going to be at 7.3 me wicked well.

Speaker 2: 1:13:46

Have a great rest of your week and we will be back to recap everything next week awesome.

Speaker 3: 1:13:50

See you everyone.