Accountability Corner
Embark on an adventure with Darren, Morgan, and Chris, the dynamic trio steering the ship at "Accountability Corner." As passionate OCR enthusiasts, they're on a mission to share their expertise and enthusiasm for obstacle course racing with the world. From sharing insider tips on overcoming training plateaus to demystifying the complexities of race registration and gear selection, no stone is left unturned. Whether you're a seasoned competitor hungry for fresh perspectives or a newcomer eager to dip your toes into the muddy waters of OCR, these hosts are here to guide you every step of the way. Join them as they peel back the curtain on the electrifying world of OCR, revealing stories of triumph, camaraderie, and boundless adventure.
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Accountability Corner
#20: Embracing Setbacks: The Secret Weapon in Obstacle Course Racing and Life
Have you ever embraced a stumble on your path as a secret weapon? That's exactly what we're unpacking as we hit the 20th episode mark at Accountability Corner, sharing not just tales from the trenches of obstacle course racing but also life's little hiccups that teach us the most. And we're not afraid to let you in on the 'monsters in the dark' philosophy—those silent, frosty mornings that shape the warrior within for race season.
Flipping the script on failure, we break down how every setback retools our strategy for surmounting life's hurdles. With raw anecdotes of injuries and recovery, we turn pain points into pivot moments that redefine our approach to training and competing. We don’t just preach theory; we live the mess and the triumph, urging you to fail faster, learn quicker, and stand taller than ever before. Plus, we're throwing out a challenge to you—fail with grace and tell us how it propelled you forward!
This isn't just your run-of-the-mill celebration; it's an invitation for feedback served with a side of heartfelt gratitude. We ask you to keep us in check, because your candid critiques on platforms like Spotify are the compass that guides our journey to better episodes. We laugh, we 'waffle', and we promise to keep the insights as actionable as they are entertaining. Join us on this milestone episode as we toast to the stumbles and strides – here's to more miles and episodes that make every blister worth it!
Welcome to the accountability corner, where we talk about everything obstacle course racing, from staying disciplined and training, affording the sport, signing up for your first race and, more importantly, how the sport is growing around the world, with your hosts Morgan Maxwell, chris Shipley and Darren Martin. Welcome, I was going to jump in, I was going to be like welcome to episode 18 or 19 or 20.
Speaker 2:It's actually episode 20. So welcome to accountability corner, episode 20. How?
Speaker 1:are you guys doing? Well, we've made it this far.
Speaker 2:Yep, we've got one listener listening to us, now Two. I reckon we've got two, two. Yeah, we've got quite big fans. Now We've actually got people interacting with us on Instagram, haven't we?
Speaker 3:We've made it Big time.
Speaker 2:Fede, she loves listening to us Shout out we're waffling, we're waffling. Should we stop waffling? No we haven't even waffled yet. No, we need a five minute waffle.
Speaker 3:We need to get into the waffle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I need a waffle. Waffles, give me a warm up.
Speaker 1:It's close to pancake day, so we need to waffle.
Speaker 3:Yeah, who waffles on pancake day then?
Speaker 1:No, but they're close to pancakes, aren't they? They're similar.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I guess, so they're a breakfast.
Speaker 1:They're a savory breakfast.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know if we see you're up on.
Speaker 1:Both.
Speaker 3:Bacon.
Speaker 1:They've got eggs in them, protein, if you want.
Speaker 3:I'm going to stop the waffle.
Speaker 2:How are you doing Ships? Any training done today? How's your week been?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's been a bit out of sorts, so it's not the typical, so I had a few life things going on so the routine got a bit mixed up but still managed to get a couple of quality sessions in which is the main ones Got a long run in today. Yeah, so it's going right actually. Yeah, what about you two weirdos going out for your little sandwich?
Speaker 2:Our parkrun sandwich apparently is cool, isn't it? We just learnt that from you Going out and doing running to parkrun, doing the parkrun, then carrying on running parkrun sandwich.
Speaker 3:Never knew that Learned something every day and we ate an actual sandwich on our sandwich.
Speaker 2:Bacon sandwich.
Speaker 1:Revolutionary. I feel a little left out sometimes.
Speaker 2:You know, when it comes up on Instagram and I sit there and I think, oh, Do you know you are there in spirit because we do think about you and we do talk about that when we're training a part.
Speaker 3:I think every time we train and record something, we always say, oh, that's an annoyance, but he's not in it.
Speaker 1:Do you reckon you could superimpose me in we?
Speaker 3:could just have you, like in the bushes, looking at us like you're stalking us.
Speaker 1:Now you know, like on Star Wars, when the Jedi's come and they're like in the force, yeah, what do you want?
Speaker 2:to be in the back Like a spirit outlaw?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And probably send us some videos of you running and we'll try and get some in next time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's all we want Just send us pictures of you running and we'll just keep cutting to it. It doesn't matter if it's on a full day. Yeah, you're there in spirit.
Speaker 1:I could be in completely different places.
Speaker 2:It could be like sunshine your one and then raining on mine, or just sitting at home watching TV, just suddenly it cuts to you watching TV, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we do think about it.
Speaker 2:We do think about you. Yeah, you live too far away. That's the problem, I know. I know, yeah, but no, we've been. I felt, quite consistent recently in training. Everything seems to be going to plan. Missed one part of the session last week. The Dave always gives us like a finisher at the end of like strength and conditioning, a bit of like a Metcon, just to get the heart rate going and I just thought I don't want to do that today and then finished the session. So that's the only time I've been inconsistent since Christmas.
Speaker 1:I think sometimes, if you don't feel like doing it sometimes, sometimes that's the right decision. You just don't. It's the right decision, but it doesn't feel like the right decision Because I bet you feel guilty for missing it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, you absolutely do you. Just you, you're I'm actually thinking about not doing it during the session and then I'm like, oh, do I? It's 10 minutes. And like, no, no, I don't want to do it. And this actually accepts you. They want to do it. Mo, how's your training been going? I know that we're we're in the winter, the winter build right now, so how's it all going for you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's actually probably the best kind of preseason I've ever had. Like you, I've kind of managed to stick to everything as much as possible, even with starting a new job. The last few weeks I've still managed to train, which had been good, and even on the days we haven't felt like getting out, I've kind of still got out and got something in, even if it's kind of changed slightly because of work. Yeah, everything's been good, no complaints.
Speaker 2:Yeah, People always ask ask me when? When they say, well, obviously we train in winter and then we have like a race season. Our race season is very sporadic, Like you never actually know until the races start coming up on the calendar to how to plan it out. But I think what's quite consistent for us is that winter seems to always be always be the winter build happens of no races. You look at where you've failed, you look at where you've been inconsistent, you look at what attribute points you want to increase and you really go harder. And and then we sometimes joke around being a monster in the dark is because it just feels like you buy yourself, you're building something, you're improving and it's quite nice. It's quite nice to come out of it, start coming out of it now, feeling consistent.
Speaker 2:We've hit our sessions and we've hit the right, right metrics and following the sessions that our coaches or we've we've programmed ourselves. And it flows quite nicely into today's topic, because the only reason I feel I've been so consistent this winter is because I've failed so much in the past and I've done things wrong. And obviously today's topic we wanted to talk and we said that in our previous episode that we want to talk about failure and how you can learn from that and what changes we can make. It very relatable to obstacle course racing, but I think it will see everything we have, anything it can be taken and used in other aspects of life. So let's kick this off, let's get into the, let's get into the, the heads of where we failed. How can we, how can we use that failure and how do we then make failure actually a positive ships? Do you feel? Do you feel this winter you've taken any failures that you've done in the past and improved upon them?
Speaker 1:Yes and no. Yes being that I because I haven't changed anything from the past year, but I'm just trying to do it better, so kind of then. Yeah.
Speaker 2:What are you? Why are you trying to do something better? You must have failed something to to think it can be better.
Speaker 1:I didn't. It was a difficult one, that one, because you've put me in a weird spot there, because I need to think about that answer. Go to Murrow Second. Bear with us. Bear with us callers.
Speaker 2:We're losing this person. We're going to go to Moe Moe Moe's on the line. Moe Moe might have more for us.
Speaker 3:Well, this year's obviously been a big difference because, in terms of winter, I've actually been able to train. Obviously, last year I had my injury so I didn't actually get to run until I think I started training properly till midway through FED, which I guess the knee injury was a failure in a way. Maybe there was things I did in that year prior that led to the knee injury, rehab stuff and things that I missed out on. So, building into this winter definitely better at making sure I've stayed healthy but also just training, like for me, especially the winter time, if I don't have a race or something, I just get so bored. I don't like training. It's miserable, especially in the winter when it's dark, whereas this year I found ways to enjoy training and not miss sessions and stay pretty consistent. How about you, dan, or Shipley? Have you thought about your answer yet?
Speaker 2:I'm still in the dust here. I love the prep on this podcast because we always talk about these things in messages through the wig and then we come to it and I put you on the spot with my interpretation of this topic today. It's difficult. I don't actually like to use the word failure. To be honest, I think failure as a word is quite difficult. It's very negative and it's difficult to actually say you failed something. Because in the past, I think, when I've had a test or a school and if I've not done what I wanted to do, yes, I have failed.
Speaker 2:But in the real world I think failure isn't something that actually happens. I think you just don't reach a goal or you don't quite do what you wanted to the outcome you wanted, and then you kind of adjust your perspective of what you actually achieved within that target and then you go again. It's kind of like an opportunity to always learn from, I wouldn't say wherever I failed, like the 3K champs. Last was it the 3K race at Nuts last year where I fell off the obstacle at the end. That in itself can look like a failure.
Speaker 2:But actually, should I now look at my approach? Should I look at different things and then learn from it and then move on. Maybe saying I failed, that is a bit too harsh, because I actually ended up completing the course, so you didn't fail anything. You just didn't get the outcome you wanted. Maybe that's a different way of wording it and a bit of a long way of answering or not answering what we're going to talk about today. Maybe that's a different question than that might help your thinking shifts. Is there any outcomes of winter training that you haven't had in the past that you're trying to do better this year?
Speaker 1:Well, that's a different question. But now I've got an answer To the first question. I actually don't feel like I've been failing when you speak about it like that. I don't think at all. I've been failing because I'm healthy, I'm doing alright. I've got a roof over my head and I've got food in my belly, so in a way I don't actually feel as if I'm failing. I'm doing alright. So I might not be getting the results I want in races, but I'm not failing. I've done enough failing before. Yeah, I'm thriving.
Speaker 2:So how do you look at failure then I?
Speaker 1:don't know, not being useful or having a purpose or doing anything good. Failing is just being nothing to me. It's being like not having anything. I suppose not being happy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a hard one. What about you, Mo? How do you see things?
Speaker 3:I think in terms of perspective. On the word failure, I really enjoy the word because for me it just means learning. Like any time I failed, I've learned. So not that I'm looking to fail at everything I do, but if I fail, the first thing I think of, rather than thinking, I f**k, I failed. Then maybe, if it's a race, maybe I might have a little cry afterwards or a little moan, but the first thing I do is look at what was the lesson? What From that failure? What have I learned? And so I kind of link the words together, because every time I've ever failed which is surprisingly a lot I've always then found something that I can use the next time we try to achieve, whatever that is, which I'm achieving that moment. So it's kind of a that's my perspective. And failure is almost a positive, because if I'm failing, I've got some improvement to do and I can actually learn and evolve, whereas if I'm winning everything, I'm not learning and I'm going to fail soon because I'm missing something out that I haven't learned yet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's kind of using it for like a way to push yourself forward.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I really like that you said there about the lesson. So what is what is the lesson you're trying to teach yourself? Like, when you go into a race and we're always going to relate this to racing I would always say I want to, I want to be in this position, or I want to win, or I want to go away with all my bands if you're an international race. So the lesson you're trying to teach yourself is the ability to perform in that environment and do your best and come away with it feeling like you've had full achievement from it. So if you come away thinking you gave your best and you did everything you can but you didn't get your bands, then really you haven't failed. You've, you've learned from a lesson that you was trying to teach yourself in that moment.
Speaker 2:So it's not. It's like always trying to move away from failure. Failure is like something you don't actually want to label on anything. You want to see it as something you need to pivot away from and use as a like a springboard towards a lesson learned or training needed, or actually I'm going to say this I did, I gave everything I could, so changing the perspective on the lesson. So maybe failure is something that's just there, but it's avoided.
Speaker 3:Failure is the title, yeah, but actually what is in that title is everything else that comes with it. The lessons learn, kind of build up, it could be anything, but failure is the title and then learning from that is almost the outcome. Or you can take the failure and just mope about and give up. That's kind of the other outcome of that's real failure.
Speaker 1:And that's negative. Yeah, yeah, that's where that's the real failure. Yeah isn't it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's kind of the what you do once you've heard the word failure or felt the failure. Which direction we go after? Yeah, are you going to continue being a?
Speaker 1:failure, yeah. Or are you going to use that failure to propel yourself to be a we're not so failure, or a better person? Yeah, not so failure.
Speaker 2:You're basically practicing resilience towards actually going towards failure, like you're always avoiding it. So if you, if you end up actually thinking I failed, that means you've done nothing to avoid it. You've literally accepted it and and just look, got stuck in the mud within it and not done anything around it. Like you not change your perspective, you not try to put yourself in a different environment, you've not like change your training, you've not actually said, actually, what else did I learn from this lesson? You just said I feel shit, I failed. Like you stuck. You stuck yourself in it. And it's actually quite interesting because it's happened. I watched the I don't know if you've watched Hierarchs the live feed, apparently failed.
Speaker 1:I haven't watched it, but didn't fail. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:The live feed was incredible and I don't want to give away any spoilers, but obviously, if you look at the rowing machines absolutely failed on the men's men's race. But is it Michael Sandbank, sandbank, sandbach, sandbach, yeah, so obviously we I can't don't speak too much about it because you don't know what's going through someone's head at that time but ships, what happened was that the, the rowers, weren't working and they had to then switch to another rower. But he was like, oh hey, he was a, he was in second place and then they kept running around that what rows do we use? It was an absolute mess. But in his head he is heading towards failure, like his resilience is like pushing into failure.
Speaker 2:And then he got on the rower. They started going again. They everyone had caught up to them, they had about a minute lead and then they started doing the rower. Now he, in his head, started getting the row, started doing, got to 200 meters and just got up and walked off the race. So he, he didn't learn, for he didn't like the result, he wasn't resilient to it. He wasn't thinking about what else can I learn from this? He literally just thought if I get, this is fair, I'm found that I'm coming off the course.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but also situation in that he's already qualified for the world champs.
Speaker 3:It's kind of like when you see the Kenyans of Kenyans, how a lot of their times they race. If they're not winning they do just pull up or pull out because their goal is to win. So their version of they just think well, why am I not? When, like, why am I racing from not winning?
Speaker 3:So for another time yeah so there's kind of a yes, he failed because he walked off and, like, the respectable thing to do is still competing, still trying to strive for, like, second place, first place. But if he fought in my head, well, I'm not winning today and I'm already qualified.
Speaker 1:You might, especially if he has to give, if he has to give more to try and get back into a position he's, it's costing him more than what he probably wants to put in. So he's probably not fail because he may have thought about in his head and thought, well, it's actually more, more beneficial if I pull out. I won't have to overdo it, I've already qualified. You know the end goal is to come. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So he's yeah, you're right. He may have said to himself well, I'm not going to learn any lessons today now. So and I'm also the maybe the failure would be to carry on in this mindset and to ruin my body when I can get back to training tomorrow and get ready for the world championships. So, yeah, you're probably right, he, we don't know what going on his head, but from an outsider point of view, you, you look at it and you think this guy's just like given up, just walked off. But there's so many other factors that go into. Has he failed? Have you not failed?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that's why failure is very kind of individual. Like if we will run a race today and my goal might have been to win the race, you're down. Your goal might have been to come top three and same whatever, and you, chris, you might have thought I need to win or whatever it is. If I don't win that race and you but you do win, or you come top three, I'm not going to be happy with your position, if that makes sense. So like I want to win but you want to come third, for example, I'm not saying that's what you want, but if I came third and you then came second, to me I failed, but to you that's the position you were happy with. I don't know if I've made that. I feel like I've rambled a bit there, but you know what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I saw perspective.
Speaker 2:It's all individual, isn't it? My, my goals, my lessons, my mindset is very different to anyone, and the way I look at even a race or a training session or even just my day is very different to anyone else. So you can never, you can never perceive what I see as failure, unless you actually just talk to me and try and get into my side of my head or you do a podcast like this.
Speaker 3:With a amount of times like I've finished a race and say I've got like fifth or sixth and Karen, in open way, it was gone. Oh my God, that's so amazing, you're in the top 10. But to me I failed. But to her that's like fucking unbelievable. Like she would, she would love to be in that position. You know what I mean. So it's so much like perspective.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I actually do the opposite way. When I just sometimes describe my position in races, when I go like because I was, we obviously talk about that. We train so much, we train almost like semi professional athletes. And when I go into the office or talk to a friend, I would go that I came like ninth in the world from age group. I still see that as a failure because I want to be better, I want to be like an elite athlete. So I always like then go, yeah, but it actually, but it's not from the world, but that's in the world like the best athletes are there. I'm justifying it like saying it's so good, but really they probably already think it's good, but in my head I don't think I don't. I think it's a failure because I think I could be, I can be better. So I'm trying to justify. Where I've come is such a weird, weird thing like how our heads perceive perceive our wins and losses.
Speaker 3:Mhm. Yes, weird, I get called humble all the time just because I might sound very like Blase about the fact that I just want to race. But really that's to me.
Speaker 2:Failure.
Speaker 3:Yeah, sometimes you can win and still fail. But I've had races where I think I'm going to win and I do win, but I didn't do something right and then think oh well, I could have done that better or that could have gone better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we are always going to be our worst critic, especially when we go into the granular detail of how we can be the best athletes. You pit listeners, you've heard it. You've heard us on this podcast how granular we go into everything that we think we need to be good at in the obstacle course racing from the attribute points, from the mindset, from the shoes, from the people we have around us. We go into everything. So if there's an opportunity to fail, we are going to have loads of variables where we're going to choose one of them we failed at. Even if 90% of them were successful, one of them, we'd be like well, that was shit, I need to work on that. That we would be our worst critic In the Challenge Cup last year.
Speaker 2:Obviously, I think I did one of my best races I've ever done. On paper, if you were inside my head, I came fifth against a really really good field and ships like I know. You said that I was running really good at some points and you saw but in my head you don't know how many times I've failed in that course. I should not have been falling off an obstacle. I should have done the low rig. I should have taken my nutrition when I said I was going to take it. So in my head I've failed about five times in that course, but on paper it looks like it was been really successful. So, in terms of the failure of that, what I've learned from it is that I need to, I need to write down those failures, write down those elements that I perceive as failures, and then I need to work on them. And that's what that's all we can do. We can just pick ourselves back up and write them down and work on them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not the end of the world, is it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. And that's where the lesson comes in, because, rather than you've just, like you say, you've got the failure, you've okay, I've noted this is a failure but rather than make going oh, that's annoying, you've gone, okay, next time I'll do it like this. And that's where you turn the failure into something positive, rather than it just being this negative thing.
Speaker 2:Let's, let's switch, switch this up and be really positive then, because so, from a, let's help everyone out there. From our years of experience in obstacle course racing and failures and lessons learned, what's the biggest lessons that we, we've all learned in obstacle course racing? And how to train or even just how to sign up to a race or how to, or equipment to use? Have you got to? This is I'm really putting you both on the spot Do you have anything you can think of as like as a biggest lesson that you've learned? That you would, you'd love to help people fast track, just to learn it now, listening.
Speaker 3:I've got a good lesson that I like well, not to name a lesson, but it just shows you how much you can learn from failure. In a way was this year the Euro champs compared to the world champs. So at Euros I remember it because it was quite hot, I was quite sweaty there was one rig that was like met. It was the magician rig, if you guys remember that one, but it's full of metal attachments and I fell off that. And then when I was training and thinking about that, I thought that could have been quite handy to have gloves there, and it's like I never normally do, but I thought actually that could be something that I could use there. And then when we got to the world champs, there was that rig in like the open bitch. You know where it's all got sandy and it was kind of open. Just after the water station there was that rig that you kind of come around the corner of, just there.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, the one on its own in the woods, yeah, sort of thing. And I thought, and that was a similar sort of rig.
Speaker 3:in terms of attachment wise it was quite. There were metal attachments and it wasn't like it was the start of the race. People said it was quite slippy. So I thought, well, I'm not going to make that mistake again, I'll take gloves with me and just before I get to that rig I'm going to put gloves on. And that's kind of a perfect example of where I'd made a mistake before and then I've made it, didn't make the mistake the next time, I've kind of rectified it and cut through the rig. Absolutely fine.
Speaker 2:Hmm, what about you Ships? What's your biggest lesson?
Speaker 1:The biggest lesson I suppose I've ever learned in obstacle racing is just to, I suppose, accept that things aren't always going to go right, you know, and I suppose that is failure in itself a little way, but accepting the fact that you know every race doesn't quite turn out the way you want it to do, but that's not the end of the world and it's not a reason to change the plan or change what you're doing, because what you're doing isn't, you know, justified by what went wrong in that race. It's, it's, you know, just something that may have just happened during that race. All right, yeah, there is some things that might have changed it a little bit, but, yeah, to just carry on with the plan, stick to it, stay consistent, because the reason you didn't do too well in that race, that isn't the reason why that make sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, definitely From. Especially. Nothing ever goes to plan in obstacle racing. Yeah, it's. You can imagine it to be the best race in the world and you might slip, you might fall, you might have accidentally wore the wrong shoes, or you yeah, or you just take your nutrition at the wrong time, or you choose to not take it because you're yeah, you don't know what's going to go on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we've all failed countless times in this sport as well. We're very almost lucky, in a way, that this sport is something that you can never get perfect because it's so varied. But what that does do is highlight weaknesses constantly, and it's always humbling us Because there's not even the top in our sport. There's always been a race where something's happened, someone's came off something, someone's messed the rules up. Because of how varied our sport is and how different it is. Every single race you watch any single Spartan live stream that they've ever done there is always a story of a top 10 guy falling off something or not having the race that he should have had because he's failed. But again, I think what, like what we said earlier, it just goes back to bouncing back and actually holding your head up high and going okay, I'm ready to race again now, and I think that's quite a big lesson we always learn is that even if last week's race you fell off a rig, doesn't mean this week you're going to, because it's just our sport.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's why that this sport is so good Like when you get into it I don't think you ever leave, because there's so many things and so many lessons that you can learn from it that it's never boring that you're going to fail so many times. I think every single race, even however good, like I just said, on paper it looks, I've failed in every single race at one aspect or one thing, and I think that makes it interesting that's a good thing is if you can embrace it and they've got a positive mindset towards failure, then OCR is amazing, because you're going to fail a lot and then you're constantly going to be running down and thinking about it. We're not sprinters that we have quite a rigid process or sport. I know I'm not taking it away from sprinters that are doing 100 meters that they don't have things that they can fail on every single training session, but I do feel that we have the luxury of failing more than any other sport, which is a good thing. I like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I really enjoy it. I like that.
Speaker 2:I like the way you put that it's so true, we're going to turn up for title warrior, yeah, and I'm saying to Mo right now that, oh, I'm feeling so good, I'm feeling amazing, I'm going to turn up there.
Speaker 2:I might have a cold, I might just feel crap that day, I might wear the wrong shoes, I might be slipping all over the place, my grip suddenly will just feel crap, or just I might just be tired because of life gets in the way that week. So you just never know, and you need to adapt and overcome. And that's how we succeed from failure we adapt and overcome and we just take the knocks and then we carry on.
Speaker 3:I think it's healthy to fail? I don't think. I think people that almost try to achieve a life, perfect life about failing, aren't ever evolving. They're just either staying the same and playing everything really safe. I think we're in a lucky position where we are exposed to failure all the time, that all of us are quite humble with a lot of things because we're just used to it. Now it's like okay, let's have a look at this. But again, I think that translates to everyday life so well, because now when something happens in our life, we go okay, cool, we failed at that.
Speaker 1:Let's jump back on. You want some science.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry Wait wait, wait, Let me get comfortable. Right ready. Science and science.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Did you know right that actually failing releases? It might not be hormones, and I might get some of the science a little bit wrong on this, but it releases things in your body, whether it's neurons or brain stuff or whatever, whatever the scientific term is but it actually makes you learn from it. And the next time or is it fear? This might be fear or failure or something like that Anyway, it makes you get better at it. So you have to fail to get better. So, whether or not it makes you scared, it makes you learn from it and it actually sticks in your brain. That's it. It sticks in your brain more when you fail, because that's what sends the neurological signals to whatever goes on in your brain. That actually makes you remember it and then remembering it proceeds to learning how to do it better next time. There you go.
Speaker 2:That almost makes sense as well, Schoops.
Speaker 1:It's because it's science. I didn't come up with it.
Speaker 2:You're right, do you know I just relate this back to work that everyone clients. Anyone that you speak to will always remember negative feedback before positive. Negativity and failure and fear sticks in our brains more than anything, which is why that we can keep mulling over failure, negativity, but I feel like they can be used as fuel for the fire that will create positivity and for us to learn and be better next time and to fail differently.
Speaker 1:Do you want to know where I heard it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're going to have to quote this in the bottom of the podcast Reference it oh, the idiot brain by Dean Burnett.
Speaker 1:There you go. So if you want to read that book, the idiot brain, that's where I learned it.
Speaker 2:Is that the same guy who does? Was it Chimp Brain? Is it Chimp? No, was it called, not Chimp?
Speaker 3:Brain, it might be actually. It might be. Is it the one about the?
Speaker 1:chimps. That's the yeah, the monkey mind.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it might have something to do with that. But there you go, yeah.
Speaker 2:No, I agree. I think you're always going to remember that, the fact that we always go back and reference the fact that when I fell off the obstacle at the free-care at Nuts and I don't talk about when I was the first person Not a lot of people completed the parallel bars at the World, so I don't talk about that as much as I do the failure of a T-bar at Nuts when no one was even there. So it's strange that we just talk about these failures more.
Speaker 1:It's quite interesting as well. My highest video that I've ever had on the internet, on the Instagram, is the one where I failed the free-care, not failed, almost failed.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's interesting because that's what mine is as well. You know the one that Euros when I sort of just gave up mid-rig that's got the most likes I've ever had on a post. Minds me slipping over. There you go.
Speaker 3:So me slipping over at Nuts is my most viewed video ever on Instagram Reels.
Speaker 1:That is a fail. In fact, how often do you watch the fail reels on YouTube?
Speaker 3:Quite a lot. Yeah Well, like what's that show they used to have on TV with Harry Hill was the? You've been framed. Yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, everyone loved that. That's just a complete failure. Everyone failed in something. They never had a success. One did they no.
Speaker 1:It shows how useful failure is. Then really, what makes you laugh? What makes you laugh?
Speaker 2:Makes you succeed. Well, that's how a people's failure is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's the same, it works for yourself. Sometimes. I think if you could spin like we said earlier on anyway and spin it your failures into positivity, then your failure is only going to be as great as your biggest success. Yep, or something like that.
Speaker 2:More science, phd. Go ahead, amy. Let's drop some knowledge bombs to anyone listening out there that wants to learn from our failures. I think I'll go first.
Speaker 2:The one thing that I did wrong when I first started doing obstacle course racing was being complacent with my training and exercising. However, if you have three hours a week, that's absolutely fine. Or you have an hour a week because you're just doing it because you want to get around the nuts course. I was being quite complacent and just thinking I could rock up and do it and run around it and thinking, oh, I'm just going to run around this whole thing and it's going to be easy. I think I was complacent enough to think that was the case.
Speaker 2:What I want people to learn from is that it's okay to walk, it's okay to go around an obstacle. It's all part of the failure and the progress. Don't have this high expectation that you're going to be looking like a ninja warrior going over obstacles, because I'm sorry you're not, but go out there and just enjoy it. Don't have too high expectations on it. That's where I failed. I was complacent with training and I had very high expectations, when really it takes years and years of hard work to look like a ninja warrior going through obstacles.
Speaker 3:Even then, how many times that ninja warrior go, or even look at us on Earth Thursday night, how many times we fall off stuff. Just practicing and practicing and practicing, we fail so much more than we are successful, especially when we're trying new things. If you're trying something new, you're never going to just master it straight away. You're always going to fail so much.
Speaker 2:When I did man vs Mountain back when I was doing it for Adventure and just a challenge, I think my longest training run was eight miles around Wobin Woods and then I expected to run the whole thing and I was telling everyone I'm going to do amazing at this and my expectation was that I was living a dream world. I suffered a lot on man vs Mountain. It took me seven hours. It was a lot of walking. Eight mile run, longest run before it was not enough. It was enough to get around it. Of course, that's what I'm proved, but it wasn't enough to have expectations that I'm going to complete in a high level or in a good way. You can train as much as you want, just manage your expectations of the race. That's all I'd say. It's my biggest learn.
Speaker 3:That's a perfect example of you bouncing back as well. You could have easily done that, not got the result you wanted and gone. I fucked this. I'm not doing this sport anymore or I'm not trying that again, but rather than what you did is okay. I failed at this. Let's see how I can improve. Let's see how I can actually achieve this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd like to say, I learned straight away, but I went and done 20 mile rat race weekend and I still did about eight mile run beforehand, so it took me a long time to learn.
Speaker 3:Let's just say I didn't go in straight away, that's to take a few punches in the face. Exactly, you didn't realise it was a duck.
Speaker 2:I needed a duck. Yeah, it wasn't the first punch. It may have been the 16th punch that led me to duck. I feel like do you know what I've learned from that? It's to fail faster. So fail faster. Move on, learn from it quicker. Don't wait for the 16th punch to then realise you need to duck.
Speaker 3:That's why failure excites me. Now it's like, okay, cool, we're improving here. I might not have gone the way I wanted, but at least I can learn. I want to fail now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like that saying, isn't it? Fail once is a mistake, fail twice, no. It's everywhere around. Fail twice is a lesson. What's the way it goes?
Speaker 3:I've never heard it, I was thinking of the J Cole four me one. Shame on you, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's similar to that. It's like well, make the mistake once is a mistake, Make it twice is a lesson. No, I can't remember what it is. I use it all the time as well. It's so annoying. I hate it when this brain stuff goes on. You want to start writing these down and put them on the wall.
Speaker 2:We're going to put all of your sayings on the t-shirt and sell it. That's going to be our merch Science with Shipley. That's all that stuff on the shirt. I'm googling it. What? No, drop a knowledge bomb. What do people need to know about failing in obstacle course racing? What do you want them to learn from? It can be the smallest of things.
Speaker 3:Just accept that you're going to fail. I think once you learn that, like once you realize I'm actually going to fail, then it's a lot easier. If you don't think you're going to fail, that's when you've probably got a problem. Just accept On a race course, like Shipley was saying earlier, the amount of times you'll be in a race and something goes wrong. It's easy just to go. Okay, I'm out of this. I'll settle down. In some sports, like running, where all you're doing is running, if you get a cramp and you slow down, it might be a lot harder to catch up and maybe you should walk off the course. But in our sport, spear throw is a perfect example.
Speaker 1:If you miss the spear.
Speaker 3:That's failure, yeah it doesn't mean you don't burpee as hard as possible. I've had a podium at Spartan off of burpees, being just quick at burpees and still getting on the podium. I think don't let things, especially on the race course, get you down straight away, because our sport is so varied and everyone's going to fail on the day. The person that's had the perfect race probably did win, if that's the thing, but normally the person next to you is going to fail at something at some point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, If you've got your quote. Yeah, I've got it. Okay, go, I'm ready for this. It was make a mistake once and it's learning. Make it twice and it's making a mistake. Hang on a minute. Make a mistake once and it's learning. Make it twice and it's a mistake. That's it. What are those little comery things? The one with the dot and the comma underneath?
Speaker 2:We're going to an advertising break from Accountability Corner. Make sure you get your personal training plans. It's got a Maxwell Listen, follow and shit.
Speaker 1:It's one of them, one of them above. Oh, it's that that one. I just did that one. I'll see it. What's that? What does that mean? You've not messaged.
Speaker 2:You haven't messaged. I've got to send it.
Speaker 3:You've sent it.
Speaker 1:You've never sent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, send me code.
Speaker 1:What does that mean?
Speaker 2:I don't fully know because I'm not regular English.
Speaker 1:But all I know is.
Speaker 2:I'll use it to reinforce the sentence or word before that, so it's kind of like a stop and then reinforces it.
Speaker 3:All right. A semi-colon is used to join two related independent clauses in the place of a comma.
Speaker 1:Oh, that was kind of right and for creating a conjunction. There's learning and failure.
Speaker 3:Sorry to any of our literate people out there, or literacy people, or whatever you call it. Obviously we weren't very good at school.
Speaker 2:No, we weren't, we just could have sport. I've really failed at that. I only did English literature, didn't even do language.
Speaker 3:I still have maths.
Speaker 1:I had art five days a week.
Speaker 2:What just graffiti, I know.
Speaker 1:Because I didn't go to school so much. The only way that they kept me there was the lessons that I didn't turn up for. They said I could just do a lesson that I liked. So I ended up doing art five days a week, just because I could just chill in there and make stuff and listen to music and just I don't know dawdle about.
Speaker 2:What did you learn from that Ships? That's failure and lessons, what lessons?
Speaker 1:did you learn? I learned that going to school is actually important and I shouldn't have messed around so much.
Speaker 2:I did as well. I actually feel like if I actually concentrated a little bit more in English I would have actually benefited right now. But to be able to tell you what a semi-colon does yeah, not looking so stupid all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not all obstacle racing?
Speaker 2:No, no, life lessons as well. Do you know? The most simplest lesson to learn in obstacle course racing Is to get the early bird prices. I've already failed at that.
Speaker 1:I've been doing this ten years and I still don't.
Speaker 3:I know, I know.
Speaker 1:Also, should we really make a mistakes? Although I did do it for the Euros, I am got an early bird price.
Speaker 2:It's such a failure, isn't it? Why do we think we're not going to go to it? We know we're going to turn up to it. Even if you put it on a credit card, you're going to save money. Put it on it, yeah, it's true. Yeah, and also make sure that event can know how many people are going to be there. I always fail at that. I always fail because I waste so much time thinking about buying it. I'm not going to wait until next month and then you look at it again oh no, no, I'm going to wait. Then it keeps going up by like 15 pounds, 15 pounds, and it just ends up being so expensive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we complain about this being expensive, but actually we make it more expensive.
Speaker 3:That's the funny thing, because then I'll buy the not an early bird price and mow and go. I'm going to be fucking out of the house. Expensive, but really if I bought it three months earlier or whatever it is, I'd have paid a half price.
Speaker 2:Maybe not that much but Do you know that I never, never, really defend or the price of nuclear? But if you actually sign up to an early bird or when they have their like sale or in a year before the race, it's actually quite cheap. Nuclear challenge, challenge cup was like 60 quid, so yeah, it is actually quite cheap. Biggest failure not signing up sooner.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and do you know another one Prepping, making sure you prep way, how you where you stay in and how you get in there. Don't leave that for the last minute, because that stress is just horrible. I still do it now. I'm still failing at that. Even though people might think I'm a project manager and love planning, I just leave planning on how I'm getting to the race so late.
Speaker 3:Yeah, same.
Speaker 2:We're still talking, youtube talking about it. In a minute, tartar Moria.
Speaker 3:Yeah, my Tartar Moria is all sorted, but that's not because I sorted it. If it was me, I'd just be driving up there and knocking on doors.
Speaker 1:I just don't deal well. I think that's that's why because I failed at long distance driving before as in for a race as in, it doesn't affect me very well. That's one of the failures that I've taken from that, I suppose, and that's why I'm sort of like procrastinating on like how many out there, because I'm trying to find a way to succeed from the long distance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's so many. There's actually loads of little failures like that. I think sometimes over thinking race kit Do you know I don't ever do that anymore.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, nah, keep it simple. Stupid on the race kit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's another one.
Speaker 3:Like you're saying, dan, block out the noise because you know race week especially, we're in like the rumble group chat and on race week like people start putting their opinions and ideas in. But if you know what works, you use it. Don't listen to someone that's almost panicking, because then you're just going to start panicking. Maybe that's a lesson.
Speaker 2:You've learned your lesson about your kit. You know what works, so you've done it.
Speaker 3:You've been training.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there you go. Actually, there's a lesson for everyone out there Get your kit early, training it. Don't get kit for just the race Training your kit, even if it's like new shorts just training them.
Speaker 1:You can make these failures before your race. Yeah, you don't have to wait till race day to fail. You can fail first and then fix it later.
Speaker 2:Well, we said that with the compromise running in terms of training, make sure you're getting compromised before you're going on obstacles so you're in a higher state or higher possibility of failure. Do that in training, because you're going to be in more of a compromised state in the race, and then you will be already implanted the learnings of that lesson for the race. So you're not actually learning while you're racing. You're actually implementing, learn, reinforce mistakes, mistakes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and, like I said earlier, the amount of times we've failed, but we fail so much in training so that when we get to the race we feel confident and comfortable. If we didn't fail, we'd probably get to the race thinking, oh this could be interesting. The amount of times you do like you failed in it or not failed, but your interval session has been compromised and you haven't been able to get all the reps in, or yeah, you're glad that's happened then and not happened on the race course.
Speaker 2:Do you know one simple, another simple one I've been doing lately. That is a failure and it's a bit of a stupid one. I'm not taking water to my sessions. I keep forgetting my water bottle, like it's Even yesterday. Yeah, yesterday we did 15 miles and I had a bloody cheese cracker because I didn't. I forgot to order gels, like that's just terrible.
Speaker 3:And we had no water, so we had to buy water from a can. That cost what was it Like? One pound.
Speaker 2:Two pounds.
Speaker 3:Two pound. That can of water cost us Two pounds Can of water and you couldn't even run with it because it was a can, so once it was opened, it was fucked.
Speaker 1:Do you want to know a little technique then for when you're out in the woods and in Going in bed girls Going to- the trunks what we drink guys.
Speaker 3:I'd say drink guys.
Speaker 1:So no, yeah, yeah, yeah, if you could do that. So all cal trunks right, if you can get into the top of it, it's all. I want to highlight my fingers here because you shouldn't really be drinking water from the tap because it's bad anyway, but it is safe to drink. So the cow trough water you can get into the back and there's a little button that actually pushes the water out so you can actually use that water to fit like drink out of. That's where the fresh water comes, because as it goes down it fills itself up like a toilet because it's got a little floaty thing in it that refills it. So if you just push that down, the water will come out. You can drink from that.
Speaker 2:There you go. Okay, that would have helped when I had my cheese cracker. That was dry as anything.
Speaker 3:Well, they weren't any farmers' fields.
Speaker 2:No, it wasn't.
Speaker 3:It's not a thing, we would have found a couch off?
Speaker 2:No, we would have had to go and bear grills.
Speaker 1:We've got stuff All right then, here's another one for you, you can put your socks on the outside of your shoes, run through long grass and then that will pick up all the dew, and then you can squeeze out your socks and then drink the water from that. That is vile, that is horrendous.
Speaker 2:I would do that if I was dying.
Speaker 1:Please don't tell me that's a lesson you've learned. That's a fail. Many lessons that's a fail.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't be the one with a dry mouth.
Speaker 3:If you ever have a sock mouth, fungus mouth. I'm a fungi.
Speaker 2:What about you, Mo or Shipps? What about any little life lessons? Or from failure in obstacle course racing that we can teach people the smallest of things?
Speaker 3:Smallest of things, what's?
Speaker 2:small.
Speaker 3:Oh, for me, which is I'm still not learning is don't get to the race with 10 minutes of spare. You need to warm up.
Speaker 1:Especially if you want to take the sports.
Speaker 3:It's fine if you're an open race.
Speaker 2:No, it's not.
Speaker 3:It's not even fine if you're an open race, if you're going to warm up in the first few miles and you're just bumbling around. It doesn't matter too much. Take that extra lay in.
Speaker 2:No, because you want to take in the atmosphere of the race. You signed up for the fun, the adventure. Get there and have a look around, get in the warm up, have a look at the obstacles, have a look at the vendors. You want to do that.
Speaker 3:I can't seem to fail at warm ups. I'm not a warm up guy, but it's more just because I'm a bit lazy when it comes to getting out of bed.
Speaker 1:I'm always way too early for the race. I arrive way early. Yeah, it's annoying.
Speaker 3:It's the opposite. I'm always thinking I wish I had more time to warm up, but then I'm never. That is a failure that I don't learn from. But then I always think the same thing every single race. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well Ships, you've been around Great Britain. You must have had failures and lessons learned from that. That's a long period of time to be running with different kit and different.
Speaker 1:No, I didn't have any different kit. I had the same stuff Same kit. Same kit, same day? I just might, yeah, but there was lots of failures. But the biggest failure was not eating properly, but then I couldn't do anything about that. The trouble is with that. I couldn't do anything about any of it. So yeah, you're restricted. That's a prime example of it except in failure, as it comes. Yeah, you just got to get on with it.
Speaker 3:I think that's a good take away from this episode. Is you are going to fail, just get on with it.
Speaker 1:Just yeah, keep calm, carry on.
Speaker 3:It kind of links to the last episode with consistency Just because you fail doesn't mean you stop. You carry on and you look for another way or another way, like like saying, like we said in the last episode, trying to be consistent, if you fail at being consistent, that doesn't mean you stop completely. Being consistent is longevity, over time, so keep going, and it kind of links to this just if you're failing, just keep going.
Speaker 2:You'll figure it out eventually.
Speaker 1:If you don't fail some more yeah you just fail some more and then a sooner or later you'll figure out why you're failing. Change it up and then fail less.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and sometimes you literally you'll fail 100 times before you learn. Maybe that's what you need. Maybe you need to be Darren and do eight miles before the longest race ever. Keep doing that until you realize, oh maybe I should do 10 miles when you decided.
Speaker 2:I look back at Strava and laugh at myself when I see that sometimes around I said woven words. Obviously, I realized that no one actually knows what woven words are. For me back then they felt like Snowden. They felt like the biggest mountain in the world, but 10 miles I probably only got about 150 meters of elevation. It's a woods, it's not. It's not running around like the South Downs or anything like that. Even the South Downs probably isn't enough prep for for a mountain mountain race.
Speaker 1:I've been in the same shoes. You think the way you're running so hilly? You're like this is going to be perfect prep for what I've got coming up. And then you get there and you're like, whoa, this is nothing like what I've been prepping for fail.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's actually the complacency is is a good one to to go back on, because becoming come in complacent with where you train and your trails that you train on, thinking that you can adapt them for any race situation to prep for it I don't. I think I've failed thinking that is the case. You actually do need to move around and make adjustments to where you run, what kind of terrain you run on. Like we was chatting yesterday, me and my group drove to the Dunsville Downs and it's literally 20 minutes away from the house and I think I've only been there about a handful of times and that's just stupid. Like I haven't learned that lesson yet. I'm currently learning a lesson of changing up my terrain. What?
Speaker 1:I've just got it in it. It's the other saying, isn't it? What's that? This is going to blow your mind.
Speaker 2:Oh no, go on.
Speaker 1:You're going to be. You're going to be amazed that we haven't even said this. Fail to prepare is preparing to fail.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, shit, shit was up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that one. Yeah, definitely have done that, but no more, no more. We started this podcast because we wanted to talk the three of us, we wanted to help each other and talk around these subjects and, honestly, this talking around it today is just a normal chat that three of us would have had with one another, just talking about it and actually learning from it and actually going back and realizing that we said in the consistency episode make sure you use, you, look at your milestones, you stop, you actually feel like you've achieved something. I think we need to be doing the same with failures. We need to be looking back. Hang on, I failed there. Why am I still doing it Like? That doesn't make sense. I need to change. I need to change, I need to adapt, I need to make something better. I need to learn the lesson. Then I need to move on. Yeah, the other saying is that Albert Einstein saying is the definition, definition of insanity is I've lost it.
Speaker 1:It's not easy, is it? No, it's not.
Speaker 2:It always sounds good when you start saying something like that. It's like I'm going to say something really intelligent right now. We're going to call that a shipping moment. Ship shipping moment, the mind blank moment, isn't it? The definition of insanity is doing something over and over the same and expecting a different result.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I know that sounds pretty insane. It does. That does sound insane. So don't keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
Speaker 1:Adapt it, change it, have a little extra bit of spice in there, or it's the same result.
Speaker 2:What? No, it's a different result. It's like if we're going back to OCR times.
Speaker 3:it's like when you get on a rig you fail, you go into the retry lane and you do the rig exactly the same way that you failed it. Before you fall off, you go back to the retry lane.
Speaker 2:You do it exactly the same again.
Speaker 3:You fall off, you fall off. It's not until you go. You muscle up on a nunchuck a bit higher or you change the way you smooth your hips and then you hit the bell. You're like, oh my God, that was easy. But if you go to the retry lane, just do the same thing that you did to come off it and it doesn't work and there's three attempts. You need to change what you're doing or you might need to learn what to do in training.
Speaker 1:Yeah, great analogy.
Speaker 2:I like that. If you're in the retry lane, do something different.
Speaker 3:Any guy.
Speaker 2:We can have all these sayings relating to obstacle course racing, couldn't we? Who needs Albert Einstein? Who was he? Who was he OCR? Exactly, we got Shipley.
Speaker 1:A mighty mouse.
Speaker 2:Any other words of wisdom, any other shoe choices? Don't think Shoe choices, yeah, I'm just thinking failure and shoe choices Maybe.
Speaker 3:You know, life is there as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we did. I failed big time with shoes when I first started OCR.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I wore some like new balance, like running shoes for winter nuts. That's not a good choice. No, it's like Bambi on ice. What did you wear?
Speaker 1:No, my shoes were just two sizes too small.
Speaker 2:Why? Why is that?
Speaker 3:Because that's not an OCR. That's just a mice mistake. Yeah, that's a.
Speaker 2:Shipley mistake.
Speaker 1:It's because I got big feet. I never used to buy in big shoes, so I used to squeeze my feet into really small shoes. Is that with everything that I was just?
Speaker 3:running shoes.
Speaker 1:Well, at first it was with everything. So I'd always buy my boots at like a 10 or a not I'd squeeze into like a 10, just about, which is quite strange because I'm actually a size 12. What, yeah, I know, because I don't like walking around with these big size shoe Bob feet. So I like to try and wear smaller shoes all the time, except to you are Shipley.
Speaker 2:We love you for it.
Speaker 1:I do now I do now. Now I've got big feet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, big feet Shipley.
Speaker 1:What does that even call? Big hands, big socks?
Speaker 2:Big hands More Jew.
Speaker 1:Yeah, more water.
Speaker 3:More hydration.
Speaker 2:You got a size 2 feet out there. You're not getting as hydrated as Shipley.
Speaker 3:That's it, I think the biggest takeaway from this episode is how much we will fail, and I think we're all going to fail. I think we'll do a podcast this time next year, kind of recap in the year, like we did this year, and we're still going to be sat here talking about things we failed at and things that we've done wrong. I think you just need to accept that you are going to fail. Bye, let's just carry on. Learn from that and, if you're not failing, be worried because you've got a big failure coming. I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's coming up.
Speaker 1:I think if you're not failing, you are doing something wrong.
Speaker 2:That's weird is that so? I don't know, yeah, it's a bit of a strange one, like, if you don't, you're not seeing it, like, maybe you need to ask feedback from someone. What am I doing wrong? Am I doing anything wrong? Can I do something better? Yeah, because some people might not be able to see it. It's hard to see. Sometimes. It's hard to be that self-reflect, isn't it? I think?
Speaker 1:I'm gonna make. What is SkyNet?
Speaker 2:Jay Huh.
Speaker 1:What is SkyNet? What is?
Speaker 2:SkyNet what ChatGPT? Our favorite thing. Don't think it says anything. Based on that, Does it fail.
Speaker 3:Oh, ask ChatGPT. If it fails, that's a good one.
Speaker 2:What fails?
Speaker 3:We'll leave that for the listeners to do. If you got ChatGPT, ask it or write in there. Do you fail and let us know what it says? See if AI fails.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the other, the main thing it came up with, is the fact that failing to adapt so making sure that you're adapting, so that you're making sure that you're adjusting your strategies and techniques when facing different opponents or challenges, and that's just. I think that's just practically what we've just talked about. Anyway, we think I feel like we've hit everything quite well on that, and I'll make a public announcement right now that I'm gonna learn from my lack of water and nutrition and by loads of enduro, loads of science and sport, and actually buy myself a flask for a flask they're soft flasks, yeah.
Speaker 3:I've got your soft flasks in my bag. Oh, you've got my soft flasks.
Speaker 2:I need that.
Speaker 3:Maybe that's why you're failing, because I've not given you the answer, because you've got it yeah, you're making me fail.
Speaker 2:You're holding me back. I need that because I need to start making sure I'm drinking water during training. Even if it's like a 40 minute session, we all need water. I am not doing that at the minute. That's terrible.
Speaker 1:You should be hydrating throughout the day, Darren. Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 2:I'm failing.
Speaker 3:Well, why don't we sign off like this? Then, everyone, let's commit one thing we're failing at recently, because there's something that we've all failed at, I think, recently, and we're gonna say that we're not gonna fail at that. So you've said about hydration and gels.
Speaker 1:Shipley, you got anything that you think? You're currently. I'm not gonna fail at getting too obsessed with being in a routine. I like that, that's for a good one.
Speaker 3:You're like that yeah yeah, because if your routine goes out the window, you go out the window.
Speaker 1:I'm out of whack, yeah, so you need to learn how to be adaptable. Yeah, wrap it like that, that's for you.
Speaker 2:So what's that for Rafi, is it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's for.
Speaker 2:Rafi, I just had this picture of Shipley going out the window then. That was nice of me, that's a good one. I like that. I was actually thinking that for you. But yeah, mo, what's yours I?
Speaker 3:think this.
Speaker 2:I've got quite a few, to be honest, but you choose one. Don't be late.
Speaker 3:Yeah on time. That's not me failing, that's just my personality Like that kind of no well well.
Speaker 2:If I had to describe myself it would be pretty weird. It's the exclusibility corner.
Speaker 3:It's being late. It's just a part of me. Now I've accepted it and it's like, if you don't like it, well, you don't like me, that's fine. No, you're probably right. Being late is always one of them, but I think it always will be because I'm not very good with time management. Maybe that's why I'm failing Time management, but also one that I've noticed recently, especially being back at work or working, a lot more is on my days off, setting an alarm still in the morning, trying to get up in the morning still, because otherwise I don't get out of bed, and training at one o'clock in the afternoon it's not what I like doing, so I just start getting out of bed on my days off.
Speaker 1:You know what you need, didn't you? You need a routine.
Speaker 3:I need more of what you've got, and you need more of what I've got.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're two sides of the same coin.
Speaker 3:Dan's. I feel like Dan's in the middle. He has a routine, but he also can adapt when he needs to.
Speaker 2:That's through failure, though I feel like I've been where Shipley has been like three years ago. To be honest, I can really adapt to my routine now because I think you've got to. That's the only way that you can enjoy both. Everything in life. You've got to be able to adapt and you've got to have an anchored point of routine that you then can flex with and move back to. It just always brings you back to a baseline, brings you back, and then, when you get onto the normal routine, you feel stable. But then you feel that, ah, fuck it, I'll train at nine o'clock tonight because I want to go out of law during the day. Like you need to be able to do those things. I know scary ships, but you'll get there, mm, I'll get there, yeah.
Speaker 3:Right, anything else. Any signing out notes.
Speaker 2:Notes. We want all our listeners to let us know what they are failing at right now, what changes they're going to make, or even just what things they would like to do better with those failures, and maybe what things are going to implement to help them. We don't, it doesn't need to be. You know, we don't want everyone to come with us with loads of questions and like how how their life's currently going.
Speaker 3:No need to yeah, I don't want to know about your marriage failure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't need to know about everything.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, I'm not asking for your personal information or your bank details, but I am just saying interact with us. This is Accountability Corner and hopefully we're going to grow this podcast even further and we're going to try to interact with our audience to really help them stay accountable. Succeed, yeah, Succeed. Stay accountable, learn from failures. Add that, stay consistent, consistent, all the above. So, yeah, thank you for everyone that listens. It's actually amazing to hear some of the feedback that we get and actually we've got people listening to us and feeling like they're getting something out of this podcast because we set this up, because we just wanted to chat these things through that we would usually just talk through about our training and racing. So, thank you.
Speaker 3:Last night being more rhino.
Speaker 2:Being more rhino. What a tag. Even this, that's a consistent guy.
Speaker 3:That is a guy.
Speaker 2:If you want to see consistency.
Speaker 3:I'd actually like to pick his brains about failure and consistent things, things like that, because he seems like the type of person that is just go, go, go If he's got something going. He's waking up at 3 am and he's training. He's what a guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, on that note, I'll have to go to bed soon, because that's what I plan on doing tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2:So so Well, thanks for listening guys. Yeah, comment like, share, rate us. We love our rating. We've actually got quite a lot of ratings on Spotify. So, yeah, please give us some feedback, because all the feedback does helps us learn and adapt and become better. So all the feedback is welcome.
Speaker 3:If there anything we're failing at from a podcast stance, let us know. We'll improve that as well. So I'm sure there's something we're doing wrong. If it's waffling too much, maybe we'll stop waffling, but that will never happen because we're not intellectual and we have to waffle to fill time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, let's leave it at that. Cue the music. Bye, bye, bye, guys, rate us people.
