Soulful Chats with Psychologist & Co-Parenting Coach, Tiffany Rochester

In this month's 'Soulful Chats' segment, I am joined by my dear friend and colleague, Psychologist & Co-Parenting Coach, Tiffany Rochester.

Tiffany guides separating families towards successful pathways to effective and loving co-parenting, creating an environment where children are able to thrive.

It has long been my view that our relationships are one of the most important vehicles for our spiritual evolution, and as such Tiffany's incredibly important and pragmatic work, is also spiritual work that is contributing to a more loving world.

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You can also find the book mentioned by Tiffany, here: Today I Noticed by Willow Older - Penguin Books Australia

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Transcript

Tatiana: 0:00

Welcome to the Integrated Wisdom Podcast. I am your host, Tatyana Da Silva. Join me as we discuss what it means to live an integrated life and explore ways for you to create a life filled with greater meaning, peace, and connection by integrating the wisdom of spirituality, psychology, Neuroscience, Epigenetics and Energy Psychology are hoped to empower you to create deeper and more loving connections with yourself and others, whilst also paving the way for humanity at large to be reimagined and inspired to become the very best version of itself. So welcome everybody. I'm so excited to share this conversation with you all today. I have my dear friend and colleague, Tiffany Rochester joining me for a chat today. Tiffany has the most incredible mission working with separated families, which I feel very strongly is such a spiritual mission because it's about helping families, you know, Exists in unison and harmony, even when things haven't worked out how they may have intended. Tiffany is a psychologist and co parenting coach who's dedicated to nurturing families and providing unwavering support to parents, ensuring that children can thrive in warm relationships with both parents. With a deep understanding of the detrimental emotional and financial impact of the adversarial legal systems on families, Tiffany is Resolute in her mission to guide separated parents towards collaborative pathways to success in their new lives, all while raising their children as a unified family across two homes, free from the constraints of litigious processes. Drawing from a wealth of experience for spending two decades, Tiffany brings to the table an extensive background in working with complex families. She combines her expertise in the science of human behavior and the power of compassion to offer swift relief and open new opportunities for separated families. Welcome Tiff. I'm so excited to have you here today for this very, very important conversation.

Tiffany Rochester: 2:29

Thank you so much for having me, Tatiana. I've been really looking forward to it. Um, yeah, really excited to be here.

Tatiana: 2:35

Yeah. So why don't you share a little bit more about yourself in terms of, you know, um, your mission, like what sparked your, led you into this very important work?

Tiffany Rochester: 2:47

It's it, there's both, I think a long story to short story. Let's see if I can make it the short story. Otherwise we'll get lost in the entire podcast. Um, I have always had a strong sense of call to, uh, work. For the wellbeing of children and families. And when I first started my career, as I, as I was studying, I thought that that was about working with teenagers. And that was what I was very focused on was wanting to go in and support teens through what can be such a tricky tumultuous time. And then as I stepped into my early career, I very quickly learned that if I was serious about supporting teenagers, then I actually need to be serious about supporting families and working with the entire system. And it's from there broadened to also looking at the, the time, I guess, of childhood, because if we can help kids when they're very little, then, then their teen years aren't so tumultuous. And then they can go and become healthy adults who may become parents themselves and raise healthy kids as well. And then as I moved my way through my career, I began working with separated families who were locked in the family court system. And that was Uh, I don't have any experience to witness what, what these families are being subjected to. And the point that they were stepping into my room was when they had already been locked in adversarial process for years and spending tens of thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars. And looking at the toll of that on these poor people would come into my room and then think about the number of years that they've been trying to parent these children through that. It was just really clear that the. The wrong solutions were being put in place and what these families needed was not to be sent to someone like me when a magistrate determines that they need some support, but rather that we would be there right from the beginning, right from the get go to support and resource families through such a tricky transition with care and nurture. People have to be there. People have the right to end an unhealthy relationship that is not serving them. And those can end in healthy ways. And there is not a need for the parents or for the children to suffer in that process.

Tatiana: 5:17

Oh, absolutely. It's such a harrowing process and system, isn't it? So having another alternative be open after them, it's yeah, it's a lifeline in many ways, but it's also so needed.

Tiffany Rochester: 5:31

I think it's desperately needed and I think so often the first thing that people think about at the point of separation is about whether or not to call a lawyer and, and calling the right lawyer can be incredibly useful and helpful, but for the most part, lawyers are trained. in how to fight and how to win arguments and people who are separating are really, really good at fighting already and they don't need those skills. They really need people to be able to wrap around them, a community to wrap around them, support and care and to, to really love them and be kind with them in that

Tatiana: 6:04

time. Oh, 100%. That's a tweetable moment right there. I don't know. It's not called tweet anymore, isn't it? It's called XS. Um, but I know that on occasion you recommended my podcast to some of your clients. And so I'm really interested for you to share your perspective on that. Like, what do you think it was that drew you to want to, to share some of the things that I talk about on this podcast and drew us together, um, in a way other than the fact that, you know. We were both very values driven and mission driven.

Tiffany Rochester: 6:40

We are. I think we have such a shared framework. You were. You were conservative in, in what you said there, Tatiana, because you said, I occasionally recommend, but, uh, I actually very actively recommend your broad paths frequently. And apart from the high regard that I already held for you from my own experiences of, uh, talking with you and working alongside you. Um, it was episode two. That completely caught me episode two, it all begins with relationships. And in the episode, you talked about the long lasting influences that relationships have in our lives. You talked about the outcomes on health, and it was really that, that shared understanding about how much we need to heal relationships and how important it is to have those healthy connections. In family. And it was that episode that I sent it out to my membership that week. So you need to be listening to this episode. And then I think as you've gone through with some of your further episodes, there are parts that you speak to that I know resonate with my client base that aren't necessarily parts that I speak so well to in terms of the, the wider connection to, to the more and that sense of spiritual connection. And I think there is great value for people to be able to. Listen to the way that you share information because of the other core thing, the other core overlap that you and I have, which is about a fierce commitment to science and not hanging out intellect up at the door and seeing that the two go hand in hand, that, uh, having a connection with your spiritual well being isn't separate from that. Having a strong adherence to science and rigor and wanting to understand how the world works through that lens. So, yeah, I see a lot of alignments in the way that, that you and I approach our profession.

Tatiana: 8:43

Yeah. And you're right. Like, like science doesn't need to be devoid or separated from this conversation at all. Right. And I, you and I have spoken about this off air before that I believe wholeheartedly that your mission is actually a very special one. Um, uh, But isn't it now? We need to work on connecting, connecting ourselves to our spiritual mission because our relationships are the vehicles for our spiritual evolution while we're here. Right. It's in learning to, to navigate those, those moments of conflict and challenge that we, we are able to move more fully into what we're becoming, you know, full love beings at. The end of this journey and so I find that work like yours is so important because whilst I'm here talking about spirituality more overtly, you're talking about it in a similar way, like in a different way, because we have seven plus billion people on this planet and people will need to listen to these messages and be guided in these, in these lessons in different ways. Right. So what I speak to will resonate with some people and what you speak to will resonate with others, but we're still pointing them in the right direction. And I think it's, yeah, it's beautiful how if life has thrown us together in this way.

Tiffany Rochester: 9:54

I'm very grateful for it. Very, very grateful. Me too.

Tatiana: 9:59

Um, but can you. Can you walk us through maybe a little bit of your own personal journey with spirituality?

Tiffany Rochester: 10:05

Yes, for sure. So, uh, not dissimilar to you. I, I grew up with, uh, exposure to organized religion and grew up in the, uh, Christian tradition. And, uh, I went through a stage of, of that Being, I think again, to do with those 10 years when, when black and white is really helpful when you, you really want to know what's in and what's out. And I think that's always been a part of the 10 years, that strong identity adherence, um, and, and digging in the heels and I was digging my heels into a very conservative, um, very restricted way of experiencing religion and spirituality. And thankfully, my parents were a little more open minded than me. And, uh, You know that saying, you know, I love you too much to let you stay that way. They worked very hard on that and, uh, and indeed I remember distinctly them pretty much forcing me to go and hear a theologian that they really respected at the time, uh, John Shelby Spong. And I was very resistant to going. And when I sat there and listened to him speak, it really, uh. It really opened my young, developing adult mind into how small I was seeing things and how restricted, um, I, I had it. Much to my parents relief, um, I have to say. And then it was shortly after that, that I went to uni and at that point I first started uni thinking that I might do a double degree in psychology and theology because now that this had been woken up, uh, I was like, well, I want to explore all of this. And I remember again, some of my conservative connections saying, uh, That, uh, you know, if you, if you had this faith, you did not need to ever study theology. And, uh, and I had that view very firmly then thanks to my parents that I was never going to hand my intellect in at the door. I didn't get a double degree in theology, but I did, I did study some theological units and, uh, and again, they kind of, blew me wide open into a very different, far broader way of looking at the world and, and gaining that perspective that I had grown up in a Christian tradition. So it made sense that a lot of my ways of understanding the more, the ways that I understood the spiritual world fell into those, those Christian metaphors, but the parts that were deeply uncomfortable for me, that. There was only one pathway and there were clear black and whites and right and wrong. So I could see how that, how my upbringing had been looking at how, how we put words to the more in the same way that people across many organized religions and those who connect to spirit, excuse me, spirituality outside of religion have different words, different metaphors, different ways of describing that which is greater than us. Yeah. Um, so then. I, I left studying theology, as I said, and, uh, and I also left organized religion, um, because I found that I didn't need the constraints of, uh, of a chapel or of a preacher up the front to help me connect with what is important to me in my sense of the more and, um, yeah, my awareness of the greater than TIF.

Tatiana: 13:41

Yes. How beautiful. Um, and I think, you know, when we speak about spirituality, there, there are many labels that get attached to it, but really that's, I, from my perspective, that's actually the best definition of spirituality or a spiritual practice. It's that remembrance of the greater context behind everything that we're experiencing here. Right. Um, and if you have that connection, it can often make life so much easier to navigate. Um, but for you personally, what do you feel were some benefits that you experienced or found in incorporating spirituality into your life on that personal level, this broader spirituality that I guess that you've just started speaking to?

Tiffany Rochester: 14:22

I think for me, it's, it's so much about being more open to the awe and wonder and about Not having to have all of the answers that it's all right, but I don't understand the full picture of everything that it is to be on this planet here now. And all of the, what's come before and all of the, what comes next. And within that, uh, that, that shared humanity that, um, that we are all in this together and that we do better when we are in connection with each other. So I think for me, that's. There's no loneliness in it, that we are more, we are open to how important it is to be in connection with those around us.

Tatiana: 15:18

Yeah. Beautiful. So what value do you feel like there is for us as psychologists and therapists to embrace those spiritual levels, if any, like, or to even be curious about spirituality for those who haven't even began to peek, um, at what this could potentially offer?

Tiffany Rochester: 15:40

Well, I think it's. I think there's an arrogance for any profession that holds itself out to have all of the answers and know all things. And one of the things that you mentioned, uh, at the start in terms of the way that you learn, I work is that we have, we have slightly different lenses. We have slightly different ways of talking about things. We will draw upon different metaphors, different life experiences. You and I have a lot of similarities. So it's quite, Quite likely that anybody who works really well with me is going to adore you, but, but there will be people that, um, that would never be right to sit with me that I, I won't have the right words or the right way of connecting or maybe the right availability in my diary. And I think to, to limit them to say, well, you, you must see somebody who comes out of the same old as me. That's the only answer I think limits them to so many other. opportunities and from us from so many other ways of exploring how to really support and resource and nurture people. But again, I spoke about it at the start about the wraparound that I want for our families in transition. And that is often far beyond lawyers, coaches, and therapists. It's looking at the teachers, it's looking at the, um, Religious traditions that people are part informal or informal and, um, the whole wider ecology. So, um, and I think, I think if we try and reduce everything down to what we learned in lecture A or lecture B, as we went through uni, I think that'd be kind of a really small career, wouldn't it? But I'm thinking about some of the most, moments that we have clients in the room and they're the kind of sessions that just take your breath away and you get to the end of them. You go, that was what we did there was seriously powerful. And when I reflect on those sessions, it's never because I can't Oh my gosh, I use the super most amazing tricks that I learned in this incredible PD that there has been something co creative between the clients living with me, myself, their wisdom experience, my knowledge of wisdom, and the more that, that there's a space for the more to be present there.

Tatiana: 18:01

Yes. Oh, that's so beautiful. I would love if you're, if you feel comfortable with this to share, if you would share maybe an experience that, that speaks to that, where you've witnessed, uh, maybe a transformation in, you know, um, with, with a client or if you can want to speak to, to themes more broadly. Where you, you've been able to see what it does to people to transition them from that combative stance to this openness and willing to collaborate that you're, you're so effective at facilitating for people.

Tiffany Rochester: 18:41

You know, I'm glad you opened up to the broader themes idea because I, I, as some of the exams came to mind, I was thinking that, you know, they are such. They're such sacred.

Tatiana: 18:50

Yes, of course.

Tiffany Rochester: 18:51

Um, and, and so deeply personal, I think, of course. Um, I think one of the, one of the things that can happen is in the same way that we sometimes might restrict ourselves by, you know, what did I learn in my formal course point A, point B, point C, that our clients can come in with a similar view of this is how I see the world and this is how the world is put together. And then in that space of co creating, when we might look at some different perspectives and different ways of, of being, or, um, I think they're going to question what does that transformation look like? I'm thinking about a lot of the work that could be quite powerful is about helping parents tune back into their own experiences of childhood. And their own moments of feeling deeply loved and cared for their, their own moments when they yearned for that and that need was not met, uh, the times that they have been scared or lonely or isolated or felt unlovable in that little skin that they had there then. And I, uh, one of the things I often talk about is that. Inside our programs, we don't tell people what to do. There's enough people telling them what to do. We just help them find that to do it. And, and what I see over and over again is that when we take the time to look at what those experiences were like, people know exactly what it is that they need to do next for themselves, for their children. Um, that, that they have that deep wisdom within them and, and that space for it to wake up. And so then we're not looking at sciences, you need to do a, B and C to be a good co parent or the reductionist strategy of don't shield your kids to conflict, um, and you know, and, and, and communicate better so small, but instead we can open up all of that wealth of wisdom. That already resides with that person. We just need to move those other things off. And then what, in terms of that transformation, what we often see is people feeling really confident about what to do next. And that the what to do next looks vastly different from what it was they thought they had to do

Tatiana: 21:31

next before. Right. Interesting. So what do you think gets in the way of them being able to, to connect with that wisdom?

Tiffany Rochester: 21:41

I think part of it, I'm just going to blame our, our, our wider context. We have such terrible modeling about. How to have a healthy separation. And, um, we, we have in our, in our sitcoms, now movie narratives, uh, in our media, we, we have estrangement model as the norm more, we have, uh, weekend, um, parents demonstrated as the norm, but the idea that people can raise children as part of one family, two homes, that's not the dominant narrative. So, so. They're not getting exposed to those concepts. And then when people separate, because none of us are exposed to these, these concepts in the water supply, then friends and family do what friends and family think is the most loving thing. They pick a side. And when they pick that side, they, they wrap around the side they've chosen. And then with great love, with great care, with all good intentions, it can actually reinforce a narrative about fighting. Yes. About conflict. And then they may go and get some legal advice, and the legal advice may be start keeping data. Yes. Yes. Um, just in case this all goes terribly. Yes. Um, so all of the, all of the energy and attention is in the wrong place. And of course if people, people don't generally separate because they're having a really great time and life is at it's best, they're separating when they're in fight and flight, when things have been hard for a long time. So their memories that are associated with all of that pain are the ones that are most prevalent for them. And they often start in that fight flight mode, which is not. Not where we're open to new ideas, new thoughts, new concepts. We need to be in a space where we can soothe, where we can feel safe in order for the rest of us, the rest of ourselves to be able to open up and contribute.

Tatiana: 23:38

Yeah, 100%. We have such a long way to go, don't we, in terms of, um, Revitalizing or maybe dismantling completely the system that exists so that people don't even end up in those, in those places. But I would love, cause I always find it so inspiring the few times we've spoken about this big remission and vision that you have, right. For what you're trying to create, um, to speak to that vision a little bit, paint it for our, for our listeners today.

Tiffany Rochester: 24:10

Sorry. I want for there to be museums where people go and learn about the barbaric process of family court, because nobody ends up there anymore. And that when a family separates, when a relationship separates, that the dominant narrative is how do we wrap around and support and nurture and care the heck out of this family so that they can be true home. Family becomes the norm that when people go to, um, their, their children's sporting games together, or they host birthday parties together, or they have Christmas together that nobody's pointing to them going, Oh my God, that's amazing because it is so mainstream that that is the expectation and not an expectation with a whip, but an expectation as a gift where if you are not there yet, everybody wraps around you both. Yes. To help you transition. Yes. Now, ultimately, if we get there, Tatiana, what we're going to see is we're going to see a reduction in separations anyway, because we're going to see people that are fully connected to who they are, to, um, being in touch with their values, being able to make room for their uncomfortable feelings, being able to interact with their thoughts in flexible ways, which means we're not going to see people getting caught in relationships that don't serve them to begin with. So, I mean, my big mission, I'll be redundant.

Tatiana: 25:41

I joke about that all the time, but our job is to be redundant in people's lives, right? Like once they have the skills, they don't need, yeah, they don't need people like us anymore. Um, that's beautiful.

Tiffany Rochester: 25:54

Um, yeah. So at the starting stage, it's really, really fierce about building that community of co parents who share this vision for collaboration over conflict. Because it's, it's lonely when you're doing on your own, but my goodness me, we do well when we are in

Tatiana: 26:11

company connection with each other. Oh, 100%. And I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on how, you know, for those that are listening here who may have loved one or close ones that are maybe about to go down this path or maybe going on this path themselves, like what's something for them to be mindful of that can, that they can already Use or grab hold of to set themselves up to go through this process in a, in a positive way, or how they can show up for those around them that might be going through this process in a really helpful, loving way, truly helpful, loving way, um, to set them on the path to this better outcome, I guess.

Tiffany Rochester: 26:52

There's several things. And I think at the At the personal level, one of the things that I recommend to every person who is separating and has children is to think about what is the story that you want your adult children to tell you about how you, how you transitioned them through these darkest days. Again, that wisdom sits within each of us that you will know, you will know the story that you want your children to tell. And if you can hold close to that, that will help you. Figure out the steps from A to B. So that'd be the first one, but then to be really, really practical. One of the things that I hear so often is, is parents saying things like, you know, it shouldn't be this hard and we should just be able to sit down and talk about it and we should be able to figure it out and think, Oh my goodness. Just let go of all of those. Shoulds you're asking too much of yourselves, if you have been in a relationship where there has been conflict and hurt. It would be lovely for sure if you could sit down and resolve it for yourselves, but, but don't ask that much. I think like if I, I know what I want for the health and well being of my kids, right? And so if my kid is unwell, I know that I want them to be healthy again, and I can be really clear on that. But the thing I'm going to do is take them to a doctor. I'm not going to say it shouldn't be this hard. I should be able to do this by myself. And so unless you are making a career out of health separations, which. I don't know. That kind of seems a bit of a bizarre to do, but unless you, unless you have a career of five divorces under your belt, where you have a wonderful, wonderful relationship with all of your co parents, this is probably the first, maybe the second time you were doing this. It is a great thing. It is a great thing to bring somebody in early. So often what I find is co parents already want to do what's in the best interest of their kids. They want to be fair. They want to be, um, a good co parent to the person they're separating from. It's just they don't know what that actually is. What is the right shared time arrangement if you have a two year old or an infant or a 13 year old? Yes. You're not supposed to be an expert in that. You're supposed to be an expert in, uh, being human, maybe, and doing whatever it is that people pay you to do for a living. But there are those of us who, who do bring that knowledge, who can sit there and have really clear conversations with you about how to step through the process right from the get go. My favourite time to start working with a family moving across the two homes is at the point that they're about to tell the children because at that point, It is so easy to put in place the supports for that family as they move through a really, really healthy transition. And the longer they leave it, the more space there is for conflict to get in the way than the heart of it. So invest in that tiny bit with a coach, someone like me, um, is I think it saves when it saves months, years of sleepless nights. Yes. So much conflict and definitely a massive reduction in any legal fees. And then within that, if people are looking at whether or not to involve a lawyer, uh, I'm a very, very big fan of collaborative practice. So we're talking about family court leading to aim is, is so important. Important that people know that I'm not anti lawyers at all. There are, there are brilliant, fabulous family lawyers who share that same vision of wrapping around families with support and nurture and they can be found within the collaborative group. Excuse me, the collaborative practice space and in a collaborative separation, rather than having legal representatives fighting each other, the lawyers and the coach and a financial neutral. So it's an encounter, a financial advisor wrap around the family to look at how do we all together. Provide the supports that you need to be able to have a healthy transition so that we're not just coming up with an agreement or how do you get through this time and hoping, hoping that everybody kind of sticks to it and relying on being able to take it back to court if somebody contravenes. Instead, we're predicting and planning. For what could go wrong to look at what supports do you need in place so that your trajectory is a healthy one? What does your family need to thrive rather than what is the bottom line that we can get you to sign off on by the end of the day? It's a far more gentle way to work with a family.

Tatiana: 31:42

Yeah, that's so beautiful. And I think one thing that is worth adding to to what you've just outlined is that in many ways, it's an also an act of self compassion to reach for those supports early because already, even when we know Thank you. Deep down, it's the right decision. It's still a harrowing moment, right? Because nobody gets married thinking that they're going to get divorced. And there, there, there's so much grief that comes from that. And so many inner struggles that come from that and how, in our sense of identity, as well as all these other, these other things that you've outlined. So to reach out for the support that someone like you has to offer and these collaborative practices have to offer is an act of self compassion as well.

Tiffany Rochester: 32:28

Completely, completely, and aren't people generally really, really bad at self compassion? Oh, yes. It's a real act of care and kindness. And if not for yourself, then for your kids. Yeah. Oh,

Tatiana: 32:44

absolutely. Breaking these patterns and yeah, setting the tone for the next generations and changing that trajectory in a positive way. It's so important. That's how we also create a new, more loving world, isn't it?

Tiffany Rochester: 32:57

It really is. Yeah, it really, really is.

Tatiana: 33:00

Yeah. Beautiful. Um, so I guess in a final reflection, what would you say is one transformative aspect of I guess the things that we've been talking about, or if you want to talk about spirituality as well, um, both on a personal and professional level? What would that be for you?

Tiffany Rochester: 33:21

I think, um, there are, there are two things that I found myself wanting to talk about with that Tatiana. And one is about the fascinating conversations that I have with my, uh, my teenage son who helps me understand as best I can. The, the ideas of quantum entanglement and how, and how the, the wide web works to communicate between trees in, in rainforest. And I think about how much we don't yet know how much we don't understand. And, and when I think about those concepts, I mean, my mind just explodes. And so that takes me to the other part, which is one of the favorite. frames of reference that, um, my, one of my mentors, Kelly Wilson uses that I, I, I come back to so often, which is to appreciate people like they are sunsets and not maps. And for me, any time that I am sitting with somebody and I am feeling stuck and I'm not quite sure about what the right step is or what we're going to do in that session, the thing that has always happened is I've stopped looking at them like a sunset and I started thinking about them as a maths problem. Right. And when we look at a sunset, I don't need to understand how a fraction of one. I don't need to understand everything about evaporation and precipitation to be able to be a witness to the clouds, to be able to appreciate beauty and be able to sit in the aura and the wonder. And when we can sit in the aura and the wonder of the beautiful human being that is sitting right there in front of us, yes. Then so much more is possible, not because I'm trying to insert it into that space, but because it already sits there with a glorious sunset that's present.

Tatiana: 35:32

Yeah. Oh, that's so beautiful. And I guess guide them also to connect with that within themselves, right? So much self judgment and negative emotions that will cloud that view for them too. That's really good. Oh, um, thank you so much for this. I guess like maybe one final recommendation is of a transformative book that you feel everybody should have on their bookshelves.

Tiffany Rochester: 35:57

I do, I do have one. Uh, a dear colleague, Renee Collier is her name. She gifted me this book recently and I found out later from her that it was a recommendation that she received from one of my other great mentors, Louise Hayes. So this recommendation comes from, from a high lineage. All these wise

Tatiana: 36:18

masters. That's

Tiffany Rochester: 36:19

right. The book is Today I Notice by Willow Alder and Deborah Huber. And it is a gorgeous, what started out as an experiment between two friends who challenged each other to spend a moment just noticing one unique thing each day. And I think we often talk broad about that. Larger concepts of, of mindfulness and gratitude, and this book is the most delightful, simple reminder of how easy this process can be. And as I read it for myself, the first time I found myself photographing page after page and sending them out to various people in my network, because it just captured so much of the shared humanity, I would like to put it on. Everybody's coffee table. It's a really beautiful, beautiful reminder about showing up and being present as life is.

Tatiana: 37:15

Oh, how lovely. Thank you so much for that share. I'm sure. Um, I'll find a link for this book and I'll put it in the show notes as well for people who are curious to, to have a look at it. It sounds amazing. And like it offers a lot of valuable skills and insights. Um, In day to day life, I guess, uh, I've really been so grateful for this conversation. Like I said, from the beginning, I think the work that you do is just so incredibly important. If we have any hope of creating a more loving, compassionate world moving forward, the work that you do is so important. that you offer the world is going to play a very big part in that. Um, so thank you for coming on and sharing, sharing what you do. And do you have any final thoughts that you'd like to add or how people may find you and work with you?

Tiffany Rochester: 38:07

Uh, so anyone who's looking to connect with me, our website is coparentingcompanion. au. Or they can find me on Instagram, Facebook, or LinkedIn at Co Parenting Companion. I am a big fan of people being able to have a really good poke around and, and a look at how we work and how we do things before, uh, making a decision about whether we're the right fit. So I think podcasts like this are really useful because people can, and say to their own heart, you can just have that listen. Uh, we also have a free course available, Six Steps to Reduce Co Parenting Stress. And not only is the course free, but every one of the six strategies is free to implement. It takes about 15 minutes and people can implement it from day one. And it can just take that first lot of pressure off to bring ease into co parenting. And at the moment, we have a special invite just to people who are completing our Six Steps course to come to, uh, live to our webinar, Breaking Free from Broken Systems, How to Co parent with Ease Without Lawyers or Mediation. So now's a really good time to come and check us out.

Tatiana: 39:22

Oh, fantastic. I'll add all of those links into the show notes so you can check out all of Tiff's wonderful resources and offerings and get to know her a little bit better. And yeah, once again, Tiff, I'm so grateful to have you join me today and for you imparting your knowledge and wisdom with the listeners. And I hope you'll have a lovely week and we'll speak to you next time.

Tiffany Rochester: 39:45

Thank you so much. It's been a real privilege to be a guest Tatiana. Thank you.

Tatiana: 39:49

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