Breaking Free from Addiction + Resiliency with Logan Hufford (part 1)

What does it take to break free from the chains of addiction? Join us on this gripping episode of Reignite Resilience as we explore Logan Hufford's powerful journey of overcoming sexual addiction. Logan from Alaska bares his soul about the struggles, the impact on his loved ones, and the crucial turning points that paved the way to his recovery. Learn how mentorship, accountability, and unwavering support from his wife Carrie played pivotal roles in his transformation. This episode is a testament to the strength of the human spirit and the importance of confronting and overcoming one's demons.

Listen in as Logan recounts his life-altering experiences and the courageous steps both he and his wife took to reclaim their lives. You'll hear about the tough love from his friend Rick that pushed him toward genuine change and the boundaries Carrie set to protect their family. Through heartfelt anecdotes, Logan underscores the need for resilience, the power of community, and the continuous journey toward sobriety. This episode isn't just about addiction; it's about hope, recovery, and the relentless pursuit of a better life.


ABOUT LOGAN HUFFORD
Logan is a born & raised Alaskan, married to his gorgeous bride Carrie; and together they are raising 4 amazing but crazy little monkeys.

They love their family time, their dogs, and exploring the beautiful Alaskan wilderness.

Logan and his wife Carrie each lead Recovery groups, doing what they can to give back by sharing the gifts that God has given them.

Recovery is Logan’s mission.
 
www.prodigalsofalaska.com

Transcript

Pam Cass: 0:06

In the grand theater of life. We all seek a comeback, a resurgence, a rekindling of our inner fire. But how do we spark that flame? Welcome to Reignite Resilience. This is not just another podcast. This is a journey, a venture into the heart of human spirit, the power of resilience and the art of reigniting our passions.

Natalie Davis: 0:29

Before we begin, I just want to advise all of our listeners that today's episode delves into a sensitive topic of sexual addiction. Listener discretion is advised, as the episode may contain content that's not suitable for all listeners. Before we proceed, we want to remind our listeners that sexual addiction is a complex and potentially distressing subject. The content of this episode may be triggering or even uncomfortable for some individuals. We encourage you to prioritize your well-being and consider whether this topic is appropriate for you at this time. We would also like to stress that the views and experiences shared in this episode are those from our guests. They do not serve as professional advice or a substitute for seeking help from a qualified professional of being mindful of our listeners' well-being. If you or someone you know is struggling with sexual addiction, or any related addiction for that matter, we urge you to seek support from licensed therapists, counselors or even support groups that specialize in that area. We'll make sure that we include a couple in the show notes. Thank you again for joining us on Reignite Resilience. Now let's delve into this important conversation.

Natalie Davis: 1:42

Welcome back to another episode of Reignite Resilience. I am your co-host, natalie Davis, and I'm so excited to be back with you guys. I mean I'm excited every time I get to hop on for an episode. So, pam, how are you today?

Pam Cass: 1:54

I am fabulous Twice in one week, and it's only Tuesday.

Natalie Davis: 1:59

I know, I know. Actually I was looking forward on our calendar. We are like rocket and rolling, but it's an exciting season. I feel like we've had the fortune and opportunity to have some phenomenal guests over the last couple of weeks, so you guys should tune in here in the upcoming weeks. We have had some fabulous guests and some amazing stories, and I know tips and tools that I have already implemented into my own book of business, and my reading list has gotten bigger and bigger every day.

Pam Cass: 2:32

Absolutely, and I'm just excited. I keep getting pinged with new people signing up to be guests, and so I'm just excited. I just it's so cool to be meeting people from all over, and we're talking to someone today that's from a new state that we've not talked to anybody from, so it's just it's making the world a little bit smaller.

Natalie Davis: 2:53

Yes, I love it. It's the blessing of connectivity right that we get to have. Yeah, I love that. Also, this state is on my list. I don't know if I shared it with all of our listeners. I'll share it with you guys. I have a goal of visiting all 50 states before hitting 50. That clock is ticking very fast, but Alaska is number 50. I've already planned out that's going to be my last stop, because I want to spend a little bit more time there and it's, you know, a little bit more of an adventure to get there from here. So, without further ado, though, that's my to-do, I love it.

Natalie Davis: 3:27

Without further ado, I would love to introduce our guest. Today. We have Logan, who is joining us. He is born and raised in Alaska, married to his gorgeous bride, carrie, and they have four little, amazing, crazy what he likes to call monkeys that they're raising. They love their family time, they love their dogs and they love exploring beautiful Alaskan wildlife. And Logan and his wife Carrie each lead recovery groups doing what they can do to give back by sharing the gift that God has given them. Recovery is Logan's mission. So, logan, welcome to the show.

Logan Hufford: 4:05

Thank you so much. Natalie and Pam Appreciate you guys having me on.

Natalie Davis: 4:15

Absolutely Well. I feel that in the space of recovery, there's a lot of opportunity for you to share, and we'll dive into some of the tools that you've been able to gather and utilize along the way. But why don't you just fill our listeners in a little bit about your story with your addiction and recovery and how we've come to where we are today?

Logan Hufford: 4:30

Sure. So I'll try to go like 30,000 foot view and let you zoom in and unpack whatever you want to dive into. Perfect Any clarifying questions, that kind of thing. So I'm 33 years old. I'll be 34 in August. My wife and I have been married for almost 13 years here in just a kind of thing. So I'm 33 years old, I'll be 34 in August. My wife and I have been married for almost 13 years here in just a couple of weeks. And I mean everything that you mentioned about my bio right, Like enjoying time with my family and the great outdoors and the kids, and like, just in case anyone heard that and thought like okay, like here's a nice little white picket fence, you know, family everything's, everything's all just easy peasy. It's not an exaggeration to say. Every day of my life, every night, when I pray with my boys and tuck them in for bed, every single day I'm reminded that I don't deserve any of that I do not take my family for granted.

Logan Hufford: 5:16

I do not take the life that I have for granted because for a lot of years I did everything I could to throw it away. So I am no longer in bondage to sexual addiction, and that is a phrase that I really cherish. That I did not fathom was possible. When I was 23, 24, 25 years old, I had gotten to the point where, you know, starting out with pornography, starting out with seeking attention from girls in whatever way I could as a teenager, seeking attention from girls in whatever way I could as a teenager, to then gotten so used to that chasing the high of the next thrill, the next thing, the next, new, different chase. That I that I was.

Logan Hufford: 5:52

After June 4th 2011, when I married Carrie, I had already cheated on her multiple times and over the next several years, went on to have multiple more affairs, eventually getting to the point where I was hiring prostitutes in addition to everything else, while we've got kids. We've got at that point. We had three little boys and she was pregnant with our fourth and I had given her staggered confessions. I was, I would feel terrible, I mean incredible self-hatred. I knew that there was no part of me that thought that this was good or okay. But I was completely trapped in this cycle of destructive behavior where I was just. I trained myself to operate in this way, trained myself to chase after things, and this was my way of living, my way of interacting with the world around me.

Logan Hufford: 6:43

And so, given her staggered confessions, she knew that I had been unfaithful multiple times and she didn't know how to respond. She didn't know how. You know, no woman should have to be prepared to deal with that. And so, there, there wasn't necessarily a bunch of response from her for the first several years and, of course, then she would tell you now been blessed to share testimony along with her multiple times and hear her testimony to women. She would tell you now she was in survival mode. She's a young mom trying to change diapers, she's trying to cook dinner, she's trying to deal with everyday life of being a mom and a wife and just a human being, and her husband's coming home bringing all this crap with him right. Every day. I would come home and she didn't know how to respond.

Logan Hufford: 7:27

And so, finally, in 2015, she did something that she'd never done before, confessed another affair and she said okay, if you do not get serious help. If you do not make change, then I'm gone and the boys are gone. I'd never been given an ultimatum before. I always knew how to work the room. I was a manipulator, I was a gaslighter, I was a narcissist, I was a predator, I was a monster. Nobody had stood up to me like that before. I knew that she meant that, because she is not somebody that just speaks rashly and I mean, like I said, this is definitely the aerial picture. This is not all the details, but my sobriety date was actually just a couple of days ago, may 19th 2016. So it was almost a year between that ultimatum and real traction starting.

Logan Hufford: 8:13

So it was not a perfect. There was not a toggle switch being flipped down but that was when I recognized okay, I had already signed over any hope of having a good life. I had already like, signed, like that's done. There's no way I can have any of that, but I didn't want to lose my wife and I didn't want to lose my kids. If I could help that, I didn't want to lose that, and so that was like the first landmark.

Logan Hufford: 8:36

The way I look at it is like God put landmarks in our life. God put landmarks in our story. That was kind of like that first landmark of things were different now, and then in 2016, the start of 2016, there was another landmark and that was for the first time in my life and if this sounds corny, like I'm being completely sincere I never had hoped that there could be a different life Because I just I had done too much, I'd hurt too many people too deeply and just gotten myself too wrapped up in these habits and these routines of sexual addiction. But God introduced me to multiple men, like a dozen men, who had similar stories to mine and had years in some cases more than a decade or two of not just sobriety like not just not doing bad things, but completely transformed lives.

Logan Hufford: 9:27

These were healthy men in large part not completely, but in large part restored marriages, completely transformed lives, just completely changed the way that they did life. And I saw men like this and like, okay, I don't know what they had to do to get here, but I didn't think that somebody like me could be somebody like this. And even that was still. That was March of 2016. There was still a couple of months before my sobriety date, still a couple of months before I really kicked it into gear a bit, but that was the first time I had hope, and so, you know, what I'm trying to do right now is I've been giving back with, you know, groups and mentoring men, and I went through my own recovery process for basically a two-year voluntary house arrest 2016, 2018. And so I'm just shouting from rooftops that there is a way out, there is a different way to live, even though I didn't think it was possible.

Natalie Davis: 10:16

Wow, that's quite the journey, logan I mean as you share like, just even in terms of your road to recovery going from 2015, receiving an ultimatum and still 12, 18 months later. It's like, okay, now you have that glimmer of hope because of the individuals that you found yourself surrounded by and with. Yeah, when did you realize that you had an addiction? When did you realize this was a sexual addiction that you had?

Logan Hufford: 10:44

I knew that I had a serious problem, probably within the first year of marriage. And I'm saying that because there wasn't like a singular moment, you know again, there wasn't like a switch flip and like suddenly I woke up and knew I had an issue. I think for the like before I was married, I completely lied to myself like oh well, this is not good, this is not ideal, but once I'm married, like, I'll settle down and I'll be serious and like this and that stupid stuff. I told myself that. And then when I kept doing it, like okay, this is definitely not good and this is not just going to get better. And so, like I wrote a letter and confessed for the first time six months after we got married. So if I would pick a time, I would say that's when I realized I had a serious problem.

Logan Hufford: 11:30

Now, the term sex addict like I remember hearing the term sex addict and this would have been yeah, this would have been in the summer of 15, when she gave me that ultimatum. So July of 15, one of the first things that Carrie did after she gave me that ultimatum, she had me take a test. It was are you a sex addict? Pass that thing with flying colors and I remember, like this, I had this image in my head of like well, sex addicts, like what is that? Like a? It's like this greasy guy in a trench coat. Like what's a sex addict? What does that mean? Now, for one? Like that was also. You know, by that description I was obviously even still looking at myself as like, at least I'm not as bad as fill in the blank, which is totally unhealthy.

Logan Hufford: 12:13

But, but also it was not recognizing like this was not an addiction to sex itself, this was not an addiction to sexual activity and this could look different ways. It can manifest different ways. At the end of the day, sexual addiction is an infrastructure where my decision making is completely distorted and depraved and I'm chasing after the next high that I can get as it relates to sexuality. So the man who ended up mentoring me had decades of a sexual addiction story and his wife could tell you. He could tell you the pain that was caused by that. He never had sexual contact with another woman outside of his wife. It was all pornography.

Logan Hufford: 12:53

And yet there was never a time where, in him mentoring me and he's still I mean, he's my best friend other than my wife to this day there's never been a moment where I ever, like, looked at him. I was like, oh well, you don't get where I'm coming from because you didn't have the same story. Like no, we had the same addiction, we had the same root issues. Our trees kind of grew a little bit differently. We had different branches, right, it manifested differently, but 99% of the DNA was the exact same, and so that was a long way of answering the question and I guess I ended up not quite answering it.

Logan Hufford: 13:27

But you know it was a problem that I recognized in different ways and definitely didn't take it seriously. Obviously you know for quite a while, but recognized serious problem probably the end of 2011 or the start of 2012. But recognized serious problem probably the end of 2011 or the start of 2012. And then it would have been the summer of 15 that I really started to take a little bit of ownership of like okay, this is an addiction, this is something that I'm going to like. I don't again. I don't know what I need. I don't know what it's going to look like, but I need something pretty real.

Natalie Davis: 13:54

That's significant. I mean that's so big when you look at that piece, because sometimes we'll set those arbitrary boundaries or deadlines or milestones right, so it's not really a problem. When I get married it'll change. It will be different when we have our kids. It will be different when I fill in the blank, whatever it may be. But finding a way to kind of create that life preserver or deflect from the fact that you have to look in the mirror and say am I struggling with something here? Yeah, oh, my goodness. Well, I would love to hear I know that you shared, just as you were giving the introduction that you've been able to hear Carrie give her testimonial. I'd love to hear from your perspective what was that experience like the first time you heard her testimonial. I'd love to hear from your perspective what was that experience like the first time you heard her testimonial for her vantage point of the experience, incredible strength is what comes to mind and I want to clarify something with that.

Logan Hufford: 14:49

I mean I always knew she was a strong woman, but it was like, looking back on it, what I saw in her as strength those first several years, like it was real. I saw she was a strong woman. She was in many different ways. It was so one dimensional and like God's allowed me to see like three dimensional, strong Carrie in the early bit of well before recovery, when she first gave me the ultimatum in recovery, leading women, you know, over the last several years now, you know helping other women find healing. It is an incredible honor to get to serve with her. But the strength that stands out to me.

Logan Hufford: 15:24

Sometimes people will come up to her and say something like or they might say it to me. You know I'm figuring. My story is like I get where they're coming from, but they'll say something like it was it's so incredible that you had the forgiveness or you had the grace, you had the strength to stay with them, had the forgiveness or you had the grace, you had the strength to stay with them. And I get what they're trying to. They're trying to be encouraging and loving, but it's like, no, the incredible strength was not that she stayed with me, it was that in 2015, she stood up to her abuser and she, you know, and she told me I, logan, I can't control.

Logan Hufford: 15:54

If you are going to continue to hurt me, because that was something that she had recognized she couldn't fix me, but, logan, I can control. If you're going to keep doing this, then you will lose me and you will lose your sons. That is the strength that needs to be magnified. I'm thankful that she stayed with me, especially since recovery. I'm thankful that she's been willing to let God do his work to transform and completely restore our marriage. Obviously, I'm incredibly thankful for that, but none of this would have happened without her standing up and saying if you continue to do this, then I'm gone.

Natalie Davis: 16:31

I think that's so powerful when you just say standing up to your abuser, because I don't think a lot of people in that space my perception is the people that are in that space I don't know if they realize that they have that opportunity to stand up to their abuser and if they've even given the person with the addiction a title of and recognizing the abuse that's happening within that space, a title of and recognizing the abuse that's happening within that space and in that moment.

Logan Hufford: 17:00

I can say this with confidence, even though I am not her she would not have used that term. She would not have known that term in that moment, right.

Natalie Davis: 17:11

She was still figuring out. I was still figuring out like the verbiage. She was in survival play, and for a long time, right, yes, yeah.

Logan Hufford: 17:15

And I would completely have been defensive and like I'm not an abuser I'm not that. I mean there's a lot of insight that I've been blessed to have. You know, looking back and like my goodness, I was a monster. But you're right, I mean the fact that she was able to do that. It is. It's pretty rare and special. And I don't say anything, I just said just to make it very clear. I have a ton and Carrie as well a ton of compassion and empathy for somebody that's in that spot. That doesn't give the ultimatum breaks my heart. You know, when I see somebody that feels like they can't right, they can't stand up, they can't give that ultimatum. I mean, I've been the sole provider for our whole marriage. You know, of income.

Logan Hufford: 18:05

She and I had very different upbringings. She wanted so badly to be the good wife and to to be such a good mom to our boys, and so part of this whole thing was like and she, again she would. She shared. This sense then is like she wanted to. You know, part of being that good wife was okay. I need to love him more. I need to give him, you know, every reason to stay with me and to not cheat on me, because again, she thought it was about her, that I cheated on her because of her when it was nothing to do with her. It was because I trained myself to chase after new and different. If there's one thing my wife couldn't be, she can't be new and different because she's her.

Pam Cass: 18:41

Wow, tell us about the work you're doing now, because you're both doing work so.

Logan Hufford: 18:47

I got into a program called the Prodigals Mentorship Program and there's a group, the Prodigals Group, and then there's a mentorship program. It's again it's an elective basically voluntary house program. It's again it's an elective basically voluntary house arrest. It's not a legal house arrest, but it's essentially that, and for two years I was in that program, graduated in May of 2018. She got into recovery in July of 16, right after I did, and so then when I graduated, we both shared our testimonies and we've never stopped with groups my mentor, rick, and his wife, patty, who mentored Kerry. They led those groups for the next several years. They started an offshoot group because we at the time, we were living in, or still are living in, wasilla, alaska, which is an hour north of Anchorage, and there was only a group in Anchorage for all this, and so shortly around the time that we all met, then they started a group out in the Valley where we live Sorry, this is a really discombobulated way to explain this and then a few years later, they moved away.

Logan Hufford: 19:47

Rick and Patty moved down to Washington. So I took over the men's group, prodigals. Carrie took over the women's group, partners in Process, which is for women that need healing from the sexual betrayal. So you know, we both lead those groups on Monday nights, in addition to some one-on-one mentorship, coaching, and there are some, some additional things that are in the works, but they're not, they're not fully formed yet, but I mean, I can definitely speak for both of us because I know her heart, I know her mind in this area. This is our life, this is our passion.

Logan Hufford: 20:20

It'll take different forms I'm sure I had never been on a podcast before a couple months ago. This is a new manifestation working to give back and just spread some light. But something that happened for me that I shared, right of Carrie standing up to me and another landmark before I actually had like true hope, before I ever attended that prodigals group. So I didn't meet my mentor, rick, at the prodigals group. I met him at a celebrate recovery, which is a faith-based 12-step recovery group in the Valley in Wasilla, alaska, and at this time I was. I was basically playing around. This was post ultimatum, but it wasn't serious. I was attending some meetings, I was trying hard not to do the bad thing, but I wasn't healing, I wasn't going through any work.

Natalie Davis: 21:10

You were checking the boxes.

Logan Hufford: 21:12

Yeah, checking the boxes, and literally okay, I'm looking at porn less. I'm not doing quite the same things, you know, with other women, like I'm doing better, which is a completely disgusting way to think, but that's, that's where my mind was at, that's where I was at, and so that's Logan, the winter of 2015, 2016. And I go to the Cellbrook Recovery and so it's. You know, men split off and then women split off, right? So so in the group of men, there's maybe like 20 guys and every single guy was there for for substance recovery or maybe like some some anger and grief. It was in there, but there's only me and this guy, rick. They were there for sexual addiction, so he pulled me aside after. He's an older guy, by my dad's age, and he's like hey, I'm really glad you're here like this is that's good that you're here, appreciate you sharing. I think you need more than this. He goes. I needed more than this with you know, with what I had gone through. I think you need more than this group Cause one thing about most recovery groups is they don't allow for feedback, they don't allow for clarifying questions, so if I share, they want it to be a safe space, so you're not allowed to call me out on stuff.

Logan Hufford: 22:14

You're not allowed to be like dude. So you're not allowed to call me out on stuff. You're not allowed to be like dude. You said this last week and then you said this two weeks ago, like these things don't match up. Or hey, logan, for the last six weeks you keep saying you're going to do better in this area, but like you've not actually done anything differently. What's going on with that? I recognize that sexual addiction is a real addiction. It's not the addiction's fault, it was my fault, I. It's not the addiction's fault, it was my fault. I had trained myself to be a manipulator again, to work the room, to be somebody who would get my way right. I didn't need a safe space, I needed people to poke me in the gut and call me out of my crap.

Pam Cass: 22:48

Yeah.

Logan Hufford: 22:49

So me being allowed to show up to a meeting and just share whatever kind of made me feel better. Yeah, maybe it was close to a full confession of what my week had been. Maybe it was a complete lie, maybe it was something in between, but most groups I could show up and just share and I feel a little better. I kind of did my confession and I walk away. Yeah, and so that's what he you know where he's coming from. He's like you need more than this. Yeah, and again, to give an example of where my mind was at at one point, like a couple of weeks later, I told him I kept going to self-recovery and I was like, no, no, this is good, like this is what I need for now. Yeah, I know best. Obviously I'm an addict.

Natalie Davis: 23:28

Right, you're, you're in it. Clearly, you can see it.

Logan Hufford: 23:29

There's a phrase that I've learned my own best thing, wherever I am, my own best thinking got me there, so, like my own best thinking, got me to hurt everyone around me.

Logan Hufford: 23:38

And yet I still wanted to go on my own best thinking. But at one point I told Rick. I said, hey, you know, I, I do want to do some work, I do want to be serious. Do you think we could get together for coffee and maybe we could like meet every so often and talk about this? And in my mind, like I'm really putting myself out there, I'm like Logan, I'm doing something.

Logan Hufford: 23:59

Rick is one of the most loving people I don't know. He is one of the biggest blessings on this earth to me and my family. He is my best friend outside of Cary. He looked at me in that moment before he was any of those things right. He looked at me in that moment. He goes, logan, if you want to get together for coffee every now and again, I don don't have time for you and that hurt my feelings.

Logan Hufford: 24:21

So that was the second landmark that God gave me. That was another God like yeah, you don't get to just get your way anymore. Those days are done. And he quickly followed up. Rick said if you want to seriously work on things, I'll walk with you and I will help you, but it's not going to be on your terms and it's not going to be easy and you might hate me and I needed to hear that I needed somebody to go. If you really want help, you don't get to pick and choose what the program looks like, because Logan's program has been going on for the last several years and it's not working out so well it doesn't work Exactly, and he'd been there so he was able.

Natalie Davis: 25:02

He could bs on it because he knew like if I say yes to this coffee every once in a while, it will just be the same as that massive recovery group that you were part of. Right, no accountability, no one's calling you on the rug for what you're doing, it's just leisurely connection. And what a solid like full stop for you, where you're used to getting your way because you know how to kind of manipulate through the situations.

Pam Cass: 25:22

He said absolutely not, I'm not interested yeah, did he have a similar experience as far as having somebody do that for him?

Logan Hufford: 25:31

I don't know if, if there was like I don't know if there's a singular moment, like because that's a very vivid memory that I remember where we were sitting. I remember that conversation. I remember how my feelings got hurt when he told me I don't know if he had a singular moment.

Logan Hufford: 25:44

I mean, he has been very clear, like his wife, patty, has told me and like I can't get my mind around it about like what a jerk he was and just like what it. Yeah, he didn't want to go to recovery, he didn't want to take it seriously, it was so and I'm just like man I don't know, grandpa Rick, like this guy.

Logan Hufford: 26:02

No, I mean so. I know that he had a transformation. I know that. You know, the man that he used to be is not the man that I know, not the man I mean and I'm not exaggerating Like he is he's Grandpa Rick. To my voice he is, and that's just. That's another piece of recovery is.

Logan Hufford: 26:16

I got into recovery for one simple reason to stop cheating on my life, or or, sadly, to, to maybe just cheat less like, if I'm being honest with myself, yeah, that's what what I got into recovery for. It wasn't to have my life transformed, it wasn't to have a relationship with Christ, it wasn't to have a healthy way of making decisions, it was just to stop the sexual addiction. God gave me that. He gave me sobriety from that, but he also gave me true, like holistic connection with brothers in the trenches that would go on to be good friends. Not every single one. You know some guys I'm closer with than others, but I mean these are men that know me, that know the worst crap I've ever done, that we've shared experiences and yet they love me, they're in my corner, absolutely yeah, and yeah, it can be there for my family, you know, for Carrie and for my boys. It's an incredible thing.

Logan Hufford: 27:12

And my kids I mean they, because, like I said, we've never stopped going to group, you know, whether we're leading or not, like that's just a part of our life, that's a part of our routine. They're growing up a little bit. They're not quite so such little monkeys anymore, but they're 12, 11, almost 10 and eight, but you know they've grown up. We go to recovery once a week. They call it night church, you know. But as they've gotten older, like we talk about what recovery is, they know at an age appropriate level. They know our story, yeah, and so, like they get to grow up without the stigma of what recovery is. That recovery is not for yucky, dirty people. Recovery is for people that need to heal from brokenness. Guess who needs to heal? 8 billion people on the earth right now?

Natalie Davis: 27:54

Everyone, exactly Everyone, everybody, yes, now Everyone. Exactly Everyone, everybody, yes, it's just a different thing for each of us, right and so yeah, being able to remove the taboo around it and knowing that there are people that they can talk to whatever it may be right, yeah, Whether it's like okay, like yeah, not every single person needs to have a two-year house arrest, right.

Logan Hufford: 28:13

But it's like, yeah, do I need to go to therapy, do I need to hire a coach? Do I need to go to recovery? Do I need to go through some couples counseling? Or maybe multiple of the above, but bottom line like I want those boys to absolutely grow up knowing going through life as a lone wolf and just trying to grit through it, yeah, as impressive as it looks in a movie is not the way to do it. Yeah.

Pam Cass: 28:38

Yeah, yeah. As impressive as it looks in, a movie is not the way to do it.

Pam Cass: 28:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh my gosh. I love that you say that, because it's been such a stigma over the years especially, I think, for men that they just have to put on that tough, tough exterior. And it's not okay to go to counseling, it's not okay to talk about your vulnerabilities and you're showing your boys the exact opposite vulnerabilities and you're showing your boys the exact opposite. So what an amazing role model for them to be open and share what's going on. So I love it.

Natalie Davis: 29:07

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