Recovery, Redemption + Resiliency with Logan Hufford (part 2)

Struggling with sexual addiction can feel like an insurmountable battle, but healing and transformation are possible. Join us as we navigate this challenging journey with our guest, Logan, who candidly shares his personal experiences and the pivotal moments that led to his recovery. Logan's story not only underscores the importance of support systems and structured programs but also highlights the critical role his wife, Carrie, played in his path to genuine internal healing.

Discover the power of consistent and intentional connectivity in personal recovery programs. Learn from my own experience of making daily phone calls for three and a half years, and how inviting honest feedback and building trustworthy relationships contributed to my growth. Together, we discuss the emotional and relational consequences of infidelity and the essential mutual healing efforts required for both partners to move forward. Listening, even when it's uncomfortable, is emphasized as a vital life-saving skill that can profoundly impact the entire family dynamic.

From fractured relationships to genuine connection, explore how prioritizing openness and consistent friendship can transform daily life. Logan's shift from a hopeless state to proactive self-improvement demonstrates the power of seizing opportunities for growth and viewing recovery as a divine gift. We offer reassurances for those struggling with sexual addiction, emphasizing that healing is possible no matter the extent of past actions. With resources like Prodigals of Alaska and the Conquer Series by Ted Roberts, and plans for a recovery-focused Instagram account, this episode is packed with insights and support for those on their path to healing and resilience.

ABOUT LOGAN HUFFORD
Logan is a born & raised Alaskan, married to his gorgeous bride Carrie; and together they are raising 4 amazing but crazy little monkeys.

They love their family time, their dogs, and exploring the beautiful Alaskan wilderness.

Logan and his wife Carrie each lead Recovery groups, doing what they can to give back by sharing the gifts that God has given them.

Recovery is Logan’s mission.
 
www.prodigalsofalaska.com

Transcript

Pam Cass: 0:06

In the grand theater of life. We all seek a comeback, a resurgence, a rekindling of our inner fire. But how do we spark that flame? Welcome to Reignite Resilience. This is not just another podcast. This is a journey, a venture into the heart of human spirit, the power of resilience and the art of reigniting our passions.

Natalie Davis: 0:29

Before we begin, I just want to advise all of our listeners that today's episode delves into a sensitive topic of sexual addiction. Listener discretion is advised, as the episode may contain content that's not suitable for all listeners. Before we proceed, we want to remind our listeners that sexual addiction is a complex and potentially distressing subject. The content of this episode may be triggering or even uncomfortable for some individuals. We encourage you to prioritize your well-being and consider whether this topic is appropriate for you at this time. We would also like to stress that the views and experiences shared in this episode are those from our guests. They do not serve as professional advice or a substitute for seeking help from a qualified professional of being mindful of our listeners' well-being. If you or someone you know is struggling with sexual addiction, or any related addiction for that matter, we urge you to seek support from licensed therapists, counselors or even support groups that specialize in that area. We'll make sure that we include a couple in the show notes. Thank you again for joining us on Reignite Resilience.

Natalie Davis: 1:40

Now let's delve into this important conversation. Welcome back to part two of our two-part interview with Logan, where he kicked off our session letting us know that he was no longer in bondage to sexual addiction. Let's dive into part two of the interview, where he continues to give us insight of his own personal experience and tips and tools that you can use, or someone that you know can use, if they are struggling with an addiction. We hope you enjoy Well. Logan, what do you feel has been that pivotal point for you in terms of breaking that addiction cycle outside of Carrie's date in 2015? Or was that the only thing? Do you feel that you would have broken the cycle had it not been for that?

Logan Hufford: 2:21

I don't know that I would have. That's the honest answer. Yeah, Sometimes when I'm working with guys that are single or that their wives have already left them completely understandably like completely having every right to have left them Right.

Logan Hufford: 2:33

When I meet a guy that doesn't have a wife at home waiting for him or a wife in the group you know, with Carrie's group and I, I mean I've been very honest with these guys, like your willingness to work on things even though you're not risking, like if you don't come back next week, you're not risking your family because you already lost your family or you don't have. I mean I wouldn't use those words but like I have so much respect for that because I don't know if I would have been willing to do that.

Natalie Davis: 2:57

If Carrie had just up and left.

Logan Hufford: 2:59

Right, yeah, because, again, I didn't go to recovery for myself. I went to recovery just to try, I mean selfishly. I went for myself because I didn't want to lose my family, but I didn't go so that I could have transformative healing from the inside out. And it wasn't for about two years that I actually started to feel like inward transformation. It was a lot of external, healthier performance, essentially for the first year and a half, and then eventually it was like there was that heart change. There was the feeling of okay, I actually can do life different. I am not trapped in this anymore. I don't have to go back to that.

Logan Hufford: 3:36

Shortly before I graduated from my program the spring of 2018, myself, carrie and our boys went down to Arizona to hang out with family for a bit, and so I was only able to be down there for a week. So I had to do like the six page safety plan of like exactly that's part of the program is you can't go on a trip without permission, and then, if you have permission, you have to write the multiple page safety plan of how you're going to operate, like tangible, concrete boundaries and things you're going to do anyways, and then she and the boys stayed down for three weeks to spend time with the grandma. So I'm at home for three weeks and Carrie's down in Arizona for three weeks with the boys. And again I've talked to her about this Like if you were to ask her. She didn't have trust issues in that moment. That's crazy. That makes no logical sense, based on everything that had gone on.

Logan Hufford: 4:22

And yet it wasn't just based on blind faith, it wasn't just based on oh golly, I hope he's different now, like it was she. I mean, she had seen some change in me, but also she was submitting my change to the program, to the men that God put around me. She would, you know, it wasn't just okay. I trust you because I think you might be different. Like there was believable behavior, but she knew that there was a structure around me that I was tied multiple places. I was tied into that structure and that's just. You know, being able to have something like that and go, okay, like I can do this and I'm not worried that I'm going to, you know, fall back into pornography or I'm going to have a woman over. I'm going to go meet up with somebody because, even though for years that was my MO, but you didn't know this until after.

Natalie Davis: 5:08

I'm sure during that three-week time frame it was day by day for you, Whereas Carrie is who's going to be fine, it's going to be great.

Logan Hufford: 5:20

I have no reservations, it's going to be okay and I don't remember how much we had conversations about. To be honest, I don't remember. I mean, obviously, knowing her, she's not going to especially as she's gotten healthier and healthier as time has gone on like she's not going to say or do something just to make somebody happy. I knew that she, you know that she was okay with it, like she would not have stayed down there if she was worried. But we've definitely had conversations since then and she's been very open about like no, I wasn't worried because I knew the structures that were in place.

Logan Hufford: 5:47

Yeah, so she believed in the structure and she believed in you, right, and in that. The phrase believable behavior is something that you know she is constantly instilling in her ladies and it was constantly instilled in her from patty, because I've said it like 10 times but yeah, like, yeah, your husband me has been a liar for years, so he's gonna say all kinds of things. Don't believe that. But you start seeing some sobriety, you start seeing a willingness to sacrifice, you start seeing a willingness to do life differently. You can believe that, because that's not words.

Pam Cass: 6:15

Yeah, wow. Oh my goodness and she could very easily those old triggers of things that had happened in the past could very easily trigger her to believe that you were going to go back for three weeks and stuff was going to happen. But she worked through those triggers so that she literally trusted in the process.

Logan Hufford: 6:34

Right, beautiful, and that's been another thing. That's obviously taken time, for sure. Yeah, the triggers and there's yeah, there's physical triggers, there's the motor flow triggers, verbal stuff, and it's totally not a linear journey, right, yeah, but absolutely something that's been an incredible thing. To give an example of that, we shared our testimony. I think it was like two years ago and we'd done it before a few different ways, but we were just kind of making some tweaks and so we had it printed out and we're updating some of the times and stuff like that since certain dates and everything, and we're making some changes and tweaks and we're sitting on the couch, we're going to share our testimony the next day and we're sitting on the couch, snuggled up, and we're looking at this paragraph.

Logan Hufford: 7:20

I don't remember which date, which timeframe this paragraph was, but it was in the midst of just the darkest of dark, right, probably 2013 or 2014.

Logan Hufford: 7:29

And in the middle of affairs and everything. And in this paragraph it's detailing this is Carrie's words, detailing a time that I had confessed another affair. And she's laying on the ground and just screaming, just crying out to God why me, why me? And I remember that, yeah, and so about two years ago, as we're sitting on the couch looking at this paragraph, we are checking it over and she's like okay, so at the end of the sentence it's a period. Should we make it a semicolon or should we just break it off into a separate paragraph? And I remember in that moment God allowed me to zoom out and just look at that. Like here we are debating the grammar of this paragraph of like the worst evil that a man can put on his wife, and we're debating the grammar of we should be a semicolon or a period? Like that is yet another thing that makes no logical sense, right Just on its own, without complete healing.

Pam Cass: 8:23

Yeah, are there specific things that you can share with the listeners on tools or things that you've done for that recovery, on her end and on your end?

Logan Hufford: 8:33

Yes, you've talked about connection, connectivity like real connection, right, and that is such a huge piece of it. I cannot stress that enough. If I've said it 10 times, I'll keep saying it 10 times, I'll keep saying it Recovery requires me to have other people that are healthy, that have my best interests in mind, that love me enough to call me out on my crap and give me to have those people in my life and I need to reach out, I need to invite them into my life. I tried to do the thing where I'll be on the periphery and my pastor or my buddy or my brother I had people that kind of knew some of my story for those first several years of marriage and like, oh, they could check up on me and they could send me a text and ask me how I'm doing. And again, totally my way right, totally like. This is Logan's version of so in product goals it's.

Logan Hufford: 9:21

I didn't make a phone call every single day for my program. I made a phone call every single day for about three and a half years because I kept going, because it was so helpful I make outgoing phone calls I had if somebody called me, it didn't count. So, like inviting that connectivity, asking people for feedback, not just waiting for them to check up on me. That is a huge piece. Now that's tricky.

Logan Hufford: 9:42

It's really you can't really. I mean you can kind of manufacture connectivity but it's going to take some different efforts possibly because there's not a prodigals group in every city, you know. There's not a group like that in every area and obviously if somebody's listening and you know they've got a different addiction or they've got a family member or there's something else, I mean I might have to visit a few different counselors, I might have to visit a few different churches or a few different couples therapy or whatever different churches or a few different couples therapy, whatever. But finding that connection of people who really know my stuff and have permission to reach in and poke and prod is so huge. That's the only way I learned how to be honest was having people that could call me out.

Pam Cass: 10:22

And I think that right there is so vulnerable to sit there and allow somebody to hear it, to hear the feedback that you're getting, because oftentimes I'm assuming it's feedback that you don't want to necessarily hear Absolutely, and that's tough. And that's tough for a lot of people and I think it's why so many people keep others at arm's length because they're like, well, I don't want to hear the feedback. I don't want to hear the feedback. I don't want to hear it. And this is such a vulnerable place to be in, where you're encouraging people to give you true feedback, and you have to sit in it and listen to it and be okay with it.

Logan Hufford: 11:00

What you just said sit in it and listen to it. A phrase I say quite a bit to the guys in group is one of the biggest skills that I've learned from recovery, like one of a million things that I didn't sign up to learn, but I've learned. It is the skill of shutting up and listening, because it's very rare that I'm going to learn that in real life. There are some areas of life where I might learn that. Maybe I'm in the military or something like that and I learned that skill, but in most areas that's just not how humans operate, because that's rude, yeah. And so I had to learn to shut up and listen.

Logan Hufford: 11:31

After I was done getting current on a phone call or in a meeting, again, I can share whatever I want to share, but then I shut up and I don't have permission to speak unless I get asked a question. So that's a good skill, probably for anyone, for that's a good skill probably for anyone. For somebody like me that had the complete opposite for years, that was not just a valuable skill, that was a life saving skill, yeah, yeah. And then you know as far as and I want to be careful, obviously I'm speaking from my perspective, but anything I'm sharing for Carrie is these are not things that I'm speculating on, but she's open to the idea of coming on podcasts. But right now, just like time and energy, but she's like, ah, I don't know about bandwidth, but we might do around two of these, going through some of the podcasts, but she's I was going to say when she comes around, just let us know and we'll bring the two of you back.

Logan Hufford: 12:15

Yes, absolutely, but in terms of yeah, in terms of her, I mean coming from me, but I'm still going to speak the truth, which is, if a woman has been hurt in this way, she has been harmed, she has been wounded. And if I've been harmed or wounded, I need to get healing, like I should absolutely get healing, or else I'm going to continue having this wound, this harm, and it's very common Carrie sees it all the time where a woman has been harmed in this way and she might be like, okay, her husband wants to go to the group and she might be like, okay, like that's fine, like you do your thing. But so common is. Well, it's not my problem, I didn't cheat on us, I didn't invite this woman over, I didn't look at porn, like it's not my fault.

Logan Hufford: 13:01

Why should I have to do homework? Why should I have to go to meetings? Why should I have to spend my time? I'm busy and it's like it's not about fairness, it's completely unfair. But if somebody has been wounded or harmed, I would certainly hope that they would seek that healing. And there are folks that I'm very close with, the guys, that have been through. They've been through healing, they've been through transformation, like they have put in the work and by God's grace they are completely different men and yet in certain cases, you know, their wives have just not been willing to seek out that healing and I get it Again.

Logan Hufford: 13:32

It's just like I said earlier, like it's not this is not with any judgment it's with compassion that it breaks my heart, because at best they're kind of frozen in time. They're kind of always that version of the woman that was betrayed two years ago, six years ago, 10 years ago. And you know, they make some new memories and there are some good things that are built from that, but there's always, like this tumor that exists there.

Pam Cass: 13:54

Yeah, and any little trigger will take them right back to when it happened, and then the damage is done. They'll never really be able to move forward, truly because that trigger will always be there, which isn't really fair for the spouse either, who did the work to heal themselves, if they're not healing as well.

Logan Hufford: 14:15

Yeah, and just like any wounded person that lashes out that has unhealthy, it affects everyone around, right? Kids, other family members, and it's just, it's very tough. And again I realized like some of that might sound a little weird coming from me as a guy who was actively hurting my wife, but it's just, it's still a true statement. So I'm just, I'm still going to put it out there that if a woman has been hurt in that way, she's got to seek that healing. And you know, and, of course, the way that the women in their group, the way that they do things, it's different. They're not a group of manipulators and gaslighters that need to work on an addiction. For them it's. I mean, there's different things that they focus on, but it's a lot of codependency, recovery, recognizing that it's not their fault, it's not something that they can control.

Logan Hufford: 15:04

It's not something they can fix. Some of it also is recognizing healthy boundaries of what to ask. I'm going to be honest with Carrie. Any questions she ever asks, I'm going to be honest with her. But she's also learned it's not necessarily going to be healthy for her to ask nitty gritty details all the time about like hey, what did this look like 10 years ago? Like if she wants to ask, I'll ask, I'll answer her question. But part of her trusting that process is that stuff has been processed through the filter of guys like Rick, you know, in this program. So I I will not hide anything from her. But she also recognizes it's not in her best interest to necessarily find out nitty-gritty details of every single thing I ever did.

Pam Cass: 15:43

Yeah.

Natalie Davis: 15:44

Well, logan, that's kind of a little bit of insight in terms of your relationship, because both you and Carrie have done work independently. You guys are leading others on their journey as well. What are some of the changes and shifts that you've seen in your relationship between the two of you? What are some of those big milestones that you can share with us?

Logan Hufford: 16:04

Well, one thing I will share that might be shocking to folks is, throughout our entire marriage, we've always been best friends, we've always been best buddies, and she would tell you that is, in some ways, maybe that was the only glue that kept us together, was the fact that we always enjoyed spending time together. So, like, our friendship has always been there. But like I use that one dimensional, three dimensional comparison earlier in terms of, like you know me, seeing her strength right, I've been able to see a completely different version of strong Carrie and the same thing, just on steroids, is true of our friendship, our relationship, like, yeah, and the same thing, just on steroids, is true of our friendship, our relationship. Again, we were buddies. We enjoyed hanging out, we enjoyed doing things together, we had deep conversations. It wasn't like a fake relationship, but it was a completely broken, splintered relationship Because I had to block out and compartmentalize and gaslight myself just to be able to come home and talk with her at night, just to be able to hug my boys at night.

Logan Hufford: 17:03

So being able to just be vulnerable and to give like a concrete visual, coming home and setting my phone on a charger face up on the kitchen counter while I go outside and play kickball with the boys. Like I was never doing that for those first five, six years. That phone was going to be in my pocket. It was going to be locked in a charger somewhere. We go on a road trip like I'm not hooking up my phone to the music, like it's going to be carries, because I don't want a phone call coming through right or a text coming through.

Logan Hufford: 17:30

Yeah, I mean, like those are like the these little, these little giant things that were just a normal part of everyday life right, that now I don't have to even think about, but just being able to just have completely free, like uninhibited friendship, which is kind of maybe a kind of a weird term, but it's just we can just talk about whatever and do whatever together and even with the healing that has happened, I'm still. I'm definitely sensitive about stuff that we talk about and stuff that could could possibly be triggering. But I mean, she'll bring things up sometimes, like when we come home from Monday nights. Like anonymity is a huge piece of this. So we obviously are not sharing specifics about, you know, what's going on with groups, you know, but in generalizations we'll talk about our groups and we'll have like our little debriefs and just talk about things that we're working on with our groups. It's just, it's such a cool thing, you know, to be able to do that.

Logan Hufford: 18:23

Yeah, and I apologize, I feel like I didn't give you a very good answer because it's because of some of the commonalities that have happened. It's like, in some ways, things have there's been a lot of like common threads, you know, even in the addiction story as well as the recovery story, and Even in the addiction story as well as the recovery story, and yet there's also just so much that's completely different. Yeah.

Natalie Davis: 18:42

Well, I think you hit the nail on the head. Your answer is spot on, logan, so no need to apologize, but, like what I see is that constant with the friendship and the relationship. So not necessarily needing those big milestones like, oh, here was a great aha and we were able to establish these ground rules and we overcame this. It's you know what consistency in our friendship is, really what, like kept it all together and there were some gains along the way, but the consistency with the friendship was huge. I think that's it's beautiful.

Logan Hufford: 19:12

So one thing I will say, just to hopefully give a little bit more of a concrete example of something that has changed hugely I can't emphasize enough how much I had no hope right In my addiction, how much I had zero hope for a different life. And so when God showed me Rick, when God showed me the prodigal's group, when he allowed me to have a way out of that cave even though I didn't instantly run out of the cave like it still was me goofing around and just being a jackass for about a year I don't take for granted anytime God shows me a door like a doorway, whether it's a guy that I meet and we sit down for coffee and we start talking, or somebody shares an idea about something. And it's not necessarily that I'm going to run through every doorway that's put in front of me. But I look at it like this I'm not going to lightly ignore a doorway that could lead to a good opportunity for growth, especially in specific areas. That I know that I struggle and that's a big difference is like I hated myself. I had a fair bit of self-awareness, that like I definitely knew the evil that I was doing. I hated that I was doing it, but I it's almost like I was. It's not that I was unwilling to work on things I didn't think I could work on. And so now in my marriage and in my life, even outside of Carrie, that is something that is very different, is I I take very seriously.

Logan Hufford: 20:37

Okay, if there's an issue that I have within myself, I may not focus 100% of my firepower on it right this moment. Like there are things that I will, I'm okay backburnering, but I'm not going to just ignore them, I'm not going to pretend that they don't exist, because I believe, like recovery was a gift that God gave me and those tools were a gift that God gave me. I am not going to squander those things. So the issue that I struggled with almost as much as a sexual addiction was with anger. I had a huge anger problem and God allowed me to work on that, using recovery tools, using recovery brothers, using phone calls, you know, and so I viewed that through that same lens. Like I do not have permission to be, like, ah, I just struggle with it, it's just a thing that I have, it's just a monkey on my back. Like no, that's that is not okay. Like, if God gave me these gifts, I need them.

Natalie Davis: 21:28

Beautiful. That's amazing, oh my goodness. Well, Logan, if you were going to give our listeners one piece of advice if they themselves feel that they may be struggling with sexual addiction, or if they're in a relationship or partnership with someone that they feel may be struggling with sexual addiction, what advice would you give to our listeners?

Logan Hufford: 21:48

So if it's a guy that's struggling, I would say there is nothing that you have done or struggled with. There's not somebody out there that's done those same things and struggled in those same areas and has experienced healing. And if listeners are like they could create in their mind what are the worst things a person could do. I've met some people that have different stories than mine. Like I've done terrible things and I was a terrible perpetrator in those ways. I've met folks that have done things that I've never done and yet they have submitted to those processes. They have experienced healing and I'm sure they had the same hopelessness that I did, Because, at the end of the day, just like I said, shared by my mentor like it manifests differently, but so much of it is the same, you know, so much of the struggle is the same.

Logan Hufford: 22:35

And so the shame wants me to stay trapped that I'm the only one right, nobody like okay, and because I felt like this. Okay, people have recovered from drugs or alcohol and like that. I know that's not easy, but they've done it. But nobody has cheated on their wife for years and hired prostitutes and done all these different things and had a healthy marriage Like. That's just not possible. And the longer I believe that lie, the more I like got mired in that quicksand. And so, to stay practical, like, yeah, if somebody's listening, depending on where they're at geographically I don't know, I can't promise what resources are or are not available. Right, they might have to do some digging, they might have to drive further than I did to find a group, but there are groups available, there are resources available, and I can share a couple of resources that are helpful.

Natalie Davis: 23:24

Please do yes.

Logan Hufford: 23:25

That being said, I mean I don't mind sharing tools, but at the end of the day, if I am eating McDonald's three meals a day and you tell me about the latest fitness equipment, like it really doesn't matter if I'm not going to stop eating McDonald's, right.

Natalie Davis: 23:36

Yes.

Pam Cass: 23:37

So I have to want help, I have to be willing to reach out.

Logan Hufford: 23:41

Yes, tools alone are not going to help me recover. They're not going to make me recover. But I can give you the website for Prodigals is prodigals is prodigals of alaskacom. I can. I can send that to you if you want to put in the show notes, um, and there folks can contact me if they have a question. You know, if nothing else, I'm more than happy to jump on a phone call or point them in a direction. It's possible that I know of a group or a person that is near them. Perfect.

Logan Hufford: 24:05

And then if somebody wants to learn more about sexual addiction from, I mean, I I touched on a little bit, you know the verbiage like I trained myself, I trained my brain and and those are not metaphors Like that is literally what's happening in my brain. That is literally what's happening scientifically. The conquer series is an incredible resource for anyone who wants to learn about this, whether they are struggling, or they're a wife, or they're a pastor, or they're just a human who's like. I just would like to know more about this because, guaranteed, even if you are one of the lucky ones who has never struggled with this, I promise you you are close to people that do so. The Conquer series by Ted Roberts is an incredible resource. It's a DVD box set that I have and then you can still buy that it's like on Amazon. There is a way to watch it digitally. You just Google Ted Roberts Conqueror series. It's a few hours, but it goes right into the meat of how this works scientifically and it's an incredible thing. Perfect.

Natalie Davis: 25:02

I will make sure to tag all of those in the show notes for our listeners. So if you are just wanting to click over and we'll definitely connect them to Prodigals of Alaska so that they can connect with you directly. And if it's okay with you, can they? I know that you're not on socials, or is that correct? You're not on the social medias right.

Logan Hufford: 25:20

So that is. That is one of the things that we're working on is a recovery focused Instagram, so I'm working on putting together some content and then creating that. Getting on podcasts was like I didn't want perfect to be the enemy of my being done right. Like let me just jump in and just start doing it. So that's kind of that's another thing that's in the works, but not right now, Love it so giant leap.

Natalie Davis: 25:42

I mean, I will just tell you, the easier step would have been the Instagram account, but kudos to you for taking that giant leap and doing the podcast.

Natalie Davis: 25:49

I love that. Well, beautiful, well. When you are on Instagram with that, with those resources, I think that's going to be great. Please feel free to share it with us. We're happy to share it with our community, for our listeners. If they are looking for additional resources and to find you online, we will connect all of the references that you just mentioned today. But, logan, thank you for being so transparent, so vulnerable in sharing your story and sharing your family story. Yours carries the boys and just the impact that addiction has had on all of you Amazing.

Logan Hufford: 26:20

Thank you so much for having me.

Natalie Davis: 26:22

Yeah, it's been an honor, Wonderful, wonderful. Well, that is it for today. If you're wanting additional information about Reignite Resilience, you guys can head over to our website, reigniteresiliencecom, or find us on Instagram or Facebook to see where we are and what's happening. Pam and I have a couple of exciting things up our sleeves in terms of the next couple of weeks, so keep your ears and eyes open, keep them all open, keep everything open. Just keep watching. We'll see you guys soon. Bye, guys, just keep watching.

Pam Cass: 26:49

We'll see you guys soon. Bye guys.

Natalie Davis: 26:55

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