Transformation, Empowerment + Resiliency with Joe Buckner (part 2)

What does it take to turn a life of hardship into one of triumph and impact? Joe Buckner, our incredible guest, walks us through his remarkable journey from facing homelessness and incarceration to becoming a successful entrepreneur and community leader. He didn't just overcome adversity; he used it as a ladder to reach new heights. Listen as Joe recounts the pivotal moments that redefined his path, including leaving a stable job to chase a passion that seemed risky but turned out to be incredibly rewarding.

Joe opens up about the essential lessons he learned on the road to entrepreneurial success. From the hands-on experience he gained in various fields to the critical decisions that shaped his destiny, Joe emphasizes the importance of taking ownership of one's life. Hear about the challenges he faced starting his gym from scratch and the ways he pushed through, armed with nothing but grit and a makeshift business plan. Joe's story is a compelling example of recognizing opportunities and taking calculated risks for personal and professional growth.

But it's not just about business. Joe shares his transformative journey from a scarcity mindset to one of freedom and autonomy, thanks in large part to therapy and continuous learning. His mission to empower others extends beyond his gym, as seen through his Fit to Fight program and his impactful social media presence. Joe leaves us with a powerful reminder of the significance of living a life of service and abundance, making this episode a must-listen for anyone seeking inspiration and practical wisdom.

Transcript

Pamela Cass: 0:06

In the grand theater of life. We all seek a comeback, a resurgence, a rekindling of our inner fire. But how do we spark that flame? Welcome to Reignite Resilience. This is not just another podcast. This is a journey, a venture into the heart of human spirit, the power of resilience and the art of reigniting our passions.

Natalie Davis: 0:29

Welcome back to part two of our two-part interview with Joe Buckner. Joe went from being a homeless ex-con to a six-figure earner, business owner and community leader. Let's listen in to hear what Joe is up to now and what's in store for the future. We hope you enjoy.

Joe Buckner: 0:46

Really torn into people's lives. I could use my story and my struggles to remind people that they're worth fighting for that they have one more fight left in them. That's what I would do. He said wow, you didn't even hesitate. I said yeah, but I'm never going to quit my job. That would be easy.

Natalie Davis: 1:00

That was like your. It's my magic wand. I'm in that imaginative state Like that's lovely, that's what I would do, but right now I'm not leaving my job. I've got stability.

Joe Buckner: 1:09

And then three weeks later my job left me. I had been promoted, I was working at like a larger territory. It was just kind of a position that was made up. I got the call hey, can I meet you before the sales meeting? Want to talk to us? Cool, no problem. Hey, we had to let the CFO go today. We let the head of human resources go today. We're not actually doing as well as we said. We were on this new segment and we have to eliminate your position. We're going to pay you for 60 more days. We're really sorry because we know we hyped this up. So I was like okay, god is saying okay, now there's nothing between you and that but air and opportunity. What are you going to do? And to give you an example of the temptation, you know, like your industry, every industry is pretty tight-knit if you think about it, and when someone gets let go, that's a top performer somewhere. Word travels.

Joe Buckner: 1:55

I was on a Friday. I had a job offer Monday from a competitor and it was a job offer like I'd never gotten in my life. Man's name is Jim Cockmar. I love Jim because he believes in me. Jim slid an offer sheet across the table. He said I've been in this industry 30 years. I roughly know how much money you made last year. You can fill that in. Whatever it is, if it's reasonable, I'll pay it. You got to start this week.

Joe Buckner: 2:15

Holy cow, I got kids to take care of Like I was homeless. I don't want to ever be homeless again and said Jim, can I think about it? He said what I said can I think about it? Get back to you on Friday. So I went home.

Joe Buckner: 2:27

I talked to my then girlfriend, told her what I wanted to do. She broke up with me. She said I'm not going back to you being struggling and homeless again. I said okay, I get it. I said but I think I need to open this gym. I think I want to work for you. I want to be you. I want to give people opportunities. I want to create something for myself. Because if I take your job now I know it's going to happen We'll make $150,000, $200,000 a year for the next 20 years. Take a couple free trips to Mexico and I'm never going to leave you. I have to take a chance. Right, all my best friends? He told me repeatedly my whole life he's like man you have great ideas but you don't ever have a business plan, so no one's ever going to take you serious. So I got on my computer, microsoft Word. I made a business plan that I still have. It's the worst business plan in the history of business plans. I printed it out. I had never made a Word document before, so it's bad, but I keep it to remind them where I came.

Joe Buckner: 3:22

I called him and I said hey, can I come to you this weekend? He lives in Phoenix. I said we're going to drive. The girlfriend had come back by this time. I said hey, do you guys want to take a trip to Phoenix for the weekend? Yeah, who doesn't want to take a trip to Phoenix for the weekend? So we jam out to Phoenix. I get there. I said you, you what I'm going to teach people and what I want to do with this gym, and I would love for you to be the first person to invest in it. To this day, the only one. But he said cool, showed him. He sat down with his wife and he said how much money do you need? Two months later I opened a gym, and that was eight years ago.

Natalie Davis: 4:00

Congratulations. That is powerful and I'm assuming the gym for our listeners that don't get to see is the gym exactly what you described when you had the magic wand of $4 million living off the interest. Is it the same thing that you envisioned?

Joe Buckner: 4:16

No, Not even close. I think y'all can resonate with this. So this is our idea of the business, right? And then you open it and you iterate, and this happens and you have to switch and this, this, this so my gym was going to have pristine white walls. Those are black.

Joe Buckner: 4:33

Yes, okay, my gym was going to have splashes of color on the wall. I wanted it to look like a backyard right, like red, green, like all over the place. Those bags used to be water bags that were brightly colored because I wanted to create that. So, no, it doesn't look anything like that, but it's everything that we need it to be.

Natalie Davis: 4:52

Perfect.

Joe Buckner: 4:53

The gym that I really imagined probably would have cost about three quarters of a million bucks to open. I opened this gym with $15,000, but a million dollars worth of hustle.

Pamela Cass: 5:04

Absolutely. You know, natalie and I were just talking. What has impressed me through this whole thing is, from the very beginning, you would go home not knowing if there was going to be power, water, food, all of the things that you've gone through. This is what's so powerful about a resilience. Every challenge we face in our life leads us to where we are today. All of those people that you met along the way when you were incarcerated, the people at the BNI all of those people played a part in this. But through this whole thing you became successful because one your grit, but also never once did you act like a victim your grit, but also never once did you act like a victim. You always took ownership of every decision you've ever made and used that as the fuel to get you to where you are today. And I think if anybody gets a message from this, it's that you have created your own destiny and it's beautiful.

Joe Buckner: 6:00

Thanks for the acknowledgement Never ran from nothing. If I did it, I did it, I mean, but that translates into my business, though. We had a mix-up with a lady. She wanted to put her membership on pause but she told us like yesterday her payment was set to run today and it's automatic. So she's kind of up in arms and the gal who does our payment stuff was like I'm sorry, I already refunded it. I was like, yeah, we shouldn't have. I said, but that's on me. I need to tighten up our policy so people understand. So not on you. You don't need to apologize. Everything that happens in this place is on me. Anything that's challenging here is on me.

Natalie Davis: 6:33

Yeah, I love that. Pam, the key pieces that you just pointed out are the three things that I wrote down. And, joe, it stems from that moment that you realized, that very first moment, that you were able to recognize that you have a choice, and so you created the narrative of what your life was going to look like upon being released the Motel 6 moment that you had from putting a business plan together, and I don't think people look at their business plan as really a narrative of what they want their life to look like. So, even though it's the world's I would challenge that. By the way, I bet it's not the world's worst business plan.

Natalie Davis: 7:07

I'm sure that there are some bad ones out there but it gave you that roadmap right and it's from milestone to milestone. It's for this season of my life. This is what I know I need and what it's going to look like. You sketch it out and then you made it happen and you got to the next milestone and did the same thing over and over again.

Pamela Cass: 7:31

I think this is a good example of the what versus why. It's like you know what you do and you do it well, but the why you do it, the passion that you have behind it, is what has fueled all of this, and I think that's what's so beautiful about it.

Joe Buckner: 7:40

Yeah, 2013,. I helped open that title boxing club and I grew up boxing like dingy, dirty boxing gym. I couldn't believe there was attorneys and teachers and I was like why are these people in here? But you know, title boxing clubs, they're beautiful.

Natalie Davis: 7:55

I was going to say stress, it doesn't matter what it looks like. Boxing is a great place for stress relief.

Joe Buckner: 8:00

Yes, yeah, but you don't see that when you go into like a fighting, you just don't see it Like because if you go into those you're going to get punched in the face, like that's just the truth. And so boxing for fitness was so alien to me and I was so excited about it. I asked the guy. I said can I help you? He's like well, you know, I don't know if we can really pay you. I was like no, no, no, I have a job. I just want to help you. I want to learn.

Joe Buckner: 8:26

And so for three years I helped them from their pre-opening to their grand opening. It was the first time in my life I used power tools. I helped set up benches and bag stands and for three years I just soaked up as much as I could. Then I asked them if they wanted to partner with me to open a gym in North Fork County. They said they weren't interested. I said cool, because I'm going to do it different anyways. I'm not going to do it better, I'm going to do it different. And so that's when I did my own thing. But I was willing to humble myself and take that time to be like let me just learn, because if they're the biggest, boxing fitness franchise on the planet they probably do some things right.

Natalie Davis: 9:01

The, the things that you can repeat and not think about. There are some repeatable things when we're looking at business and I think you discovered that when you were on the sales side of, or sales path of, your career. I always say really solid sales training. It doesn't matter the product or the service that you're selling. Like those tools, those skills translates over to whatever industry you're in or the product or service that you're providing.

Joe Buckner: 9:23

Yeah, and I guess math again right. I kind of left this part out of why I made the decision because, honestly, let's say you made $140,000 last year. It ain't going to make you rich, it'll get your teeth fixed you know what I'm saying? Like it's a decent life for someone that was homeless, right? I don't think most people make that decision, though. I'm going to try my own thing. I'm going to leave this safe thing to try my own thing.

Joe Buckner: 9:46

But it always comes back to math for me and I remember sitting with my boss before they decided to do it in my position. I started talking about, hey, I think I might leave. He said why? I said, well, I had a great year last year and average copier because I sold off sells for $6,000. I did $1.2 million in sales. I did 52% of the office's revenue. I made $140,000. He's like, yeah, that's a lot of money. I said no, no, no, no, 14% of what I sold. I said y'all get 86%. And I'm the dude cold calling in snow, in the rain, putting miles on my car, getting the police called on me for cold calling in a business park. I'm like 86-14, there's a disparity there. So the decision also came down to well, god, at one point too. If I can do a third of that for myself, I'll probably be okay. If I can do a quarter of that for myself, I'll probably be okay. Exactly, it always comes down to math with me. Like math makes sense, to me Numbers make sense.

Pamela Cass: 10:46

And I think you hit it on the head there. It's so many people will stay because of comfort. You know it's a lot easier. Yeah, 140,000, that's a lot of money, but it's the benefits, the security. It's the benefits, the security. It's the not having to worry about not being able to pay your bills. It takes a lot to have that courage to step away from it and say you know what? No, I can do this, I'm capable of more.

Pamela Cass: 11:10

When was that point? Was it that conversation with the gentleman when you were incarcerated that kind of made you say that, oh, I can do this?

Joe Buckner: 11:19

No, because I still had some trauma I had to get over. But I still felt like a loser. I mean, I was in prison with the worst of the worst people. So while I didn't know that I was capable of anything, I knew that I was capable of the things that were in front of me. Does that make sense? I knew I could win this day. I could make it through one more day in prison and not get in trouble. Okay, I'm out of prison, I'm in the halfway house. I know I can find a job. I know I can save up the money they told me to save up so I can get out. I know I can make it through one more day.

Joe Buckner: 11:49

But it wasn't until I was actually at Aaron's when I started to think about what would it be like to have my own thing. Because at my store I remember my first full year as sales manager I had increased the monthly revenue of that one store over $25,000 a month and I was like that's a lot of money. I'm just built this way. I was like what are you going to do for me? Because I did all that for you? And they said oh well, we're going to give you a $1 an hour raise. I was like, oh, oh Lord, so I quit, I did, I quit, I did, I quit, I walked out the door.

Joe Buckner: 12:17

Yeah, I walked out the door, I went home and my brain I'm like gosh, that was actually pretty stupid, I shouldn't have quit my job. But they called me back a few days later. They're like come back in. They made me the highest non-paid like executive person in the company. But I was like but I earned that. But it got me to thinking again. Gosh, $25,000 a month that's so much money that you're getting from the efforts of this person. But I do portion of that for myself. But still, 2006, 2007, 2008, I didn't know how, I didn't know how right, and I didn't know what it would take and I didn't know how to get started, and so it took until we opened this in 2016. And even then I didn't know what the hell I was doing. I still don't know what I'm doing most of the time Do, and even then I didn't know what the hell I was doing.

Pamela Cass: 13:01

I still don't know what I'm doing most of the time. Do any of us no?

Natalie Davis: 13:03

we don't know how to do a podcast, but we still show up. You figure it out along the way, you make a way, you just figure it out Absolutely.

Pamela Cass: 13:11

And never give up, and you were living day by day. You were just I'm going to win today. That's a great way to look at it.

Joe Buckner: 13:18

Yeah, are you familiar with Nick Saban? Oh yeah, the football coach. When Nick Saban first took over at Alabama, they weren't good Like he made them good. So you know, he went to LSU, alabama. He's like I'm going to turn this around. And they said how are you going to beat all these teams? And he says, oh, I never talked to them about winning, but can we run every play as perfect as possible? Let's just run the next play as perfect as possible. If we do that, enough, probably going to be enough. Yeah, but never focused on winning Right.

Joe Buckner: 13:51

So that was kind of my thing, and also to be honest with you too. You know, I grew up like very, very rough, very poor, like a lot of trauma, sexual abuse and physical abuse and things that I've only recently, in the last few years, started to talk about. But I didn't even think I was going to live to be 30. So for me, I had never been like, oh, what's my life going to look like at 40, 45, 49. I just knew I was going to be dead. So I had just spent most of my life surviving until about the age of 40. And I was like, oh, I'm actually kind of thriving. I never thought that I would be here today. So it's cool to get to have these kind of conversations, because I never saw myself as an old man with a gray beard and I never thought that I would be here For the longest. It was just win the day.

Joe Buckner: 14:37

And I used to tell people it's like that movie End Time. Have you seen that with justin timberlake? Great movie. You got to watch it so you remember the movie. They have these watches and the amount of time that's on your watch is how much time you have to live. So your watch might have eight hours, it might have six hours, it might have two, but when the time runs out you die.

Joe Buckner: 14:57

But the wealthy people on the other side of town, they're 10 million, 800,000. And you use these hours to get a cup of coffee, a ride on the train, and so the poor people are constantly like how can I get more hours? How can I get more hours? Struggling, hustling? Their time is running low so they're sprinting to get to the bus, to meet a friend, to get more hours. I tell people that's how 40 years of my life was. How can I get two more hours? I used to tell people like that's how 40 years of my life was Like how can I get two more hours, how can I just make it for tomorrow? And even after that, when I started actually making decent money and I was like I feel like I'm still just trying to figure out how to survive, and it wasn't until I met my wife where I was like, oh, I've just been day by day, brick by brick, I cannot just make it to the next day and it serves me well.

Pamela Cass: 15:50

Running each play to perfection every single day, exactly. I love that.

Natalie Davis: 15:55

Joe, you've mentioned your relationship with money, just as you've gone through this, and it does for me, and I'm hoping for the listeners the motivation and the drive and that grit that Pam mentioned. It doesn't sound like it all stems from money. I know that one thing that people don't often think about is working on their relationship with money. Have you started down that path and what does that look like for you?

Joe Buckner: 16:21

Yeah, I mean, I go to therapy pretty consistently my therapist is the best and it just came from me realizing that I had built up this internal thermometer. When it came to money and it was set at about $120,000, $140,000 a year and anytime I started to feel like, oh, I'm getting above that I would catch myself like oh, I just bought all this stuff for the house, you know what I mean Like I would make sure that my thermometer didn't get too high and so just started talking with him about that, like where did this come from? And I know, being poor is one of those things You're like if you're poor, you just kind of assume you're always going to be poor, and everyone you know is probably poor. The only people I knew that weren't poor were kids at school, but when I went home, everybody was poor. Everybody I was related to was poor. So I started going to therapy, I started reading more and I just started really trying to be mindful of how do people that actually have wealth view money right? Right, that's a tool and it's a thing that can help you do other things and it can create freedom. And so you said something earlier none of this has ever been about money and even opening this gym and selling more gyms, and none of it's about money. For me, it's about autonomy. It's about freedom. It's about being in Italy for 14 days and not worrying about where the money's coming from. I got to go to work. I got to ask my boss for permission. It's always going to be about freedom and maybe it's because I've been locked up so many times in my life. Freedom is like my number one thing now. So, yeah, therapy a lot and talking with people.

Joe Buckner: 17:49

I do try to be as honest as possible with people and I ask a lot of questions. So if I'm fortunate to sit with someone who is a massive $100 million company, I'm going to ask questions. Sit with someone who is a master $100 million company, I'm going to ask questions. I'm going to ask questions like how did you do the thing? Because we all know like success leaves clues right. So I'm going to ask questions and I'm just going to be a sponge. I'm going to be a forever student, so I'm addressing it.

Joe Buckner: 18:12

It still exists, sometimes Like we're going to run out of money. It doesn't happen. But, especially being self-employed, I don't think a lot of people know the bulk of my income actually comes from TikTok, brand deals and things like that. My wife has a great career. She gets a check every two weeks. That's cool. I might get $30,000 in a month, but the next month I might get $3,500. So then it's in those moments where I'm like there's no money, we're going to be homeless. But she's like, calm down, no, we're not, we're good, we'll be fine. Yes, right. And so, yeah, I'm working on it. I think it'll probably be a lifelong endeavor.

Natalie Davis: 18:48

I would imagine so and thank you for sharing that and being transparent, and that is something we have not touched on quite a bit on this show, but it found myself working on probably about seven, eight years ago recognizing, like your relationship with money, that's your mindset around it, like the emotional feel that you have when you have it or the lack thereof, and there's a lot of scarcity and beliefs that are oftentimes not ours around money that we carry with us our entire lifetime and then we don't even recognize that it doesn't belong to us or our scarcity belief system on that.

Natalie Davis: 19:21

And you said like there's a threshold for you. A lot of people usually set that threshold to what they're accustomed to seeing people around them achieve and attain. So anything beyond that one it's not necessary, and so then you can justify yourself out of ever achieving anything that goes beyond that.

Joe Buckner: 19:39

Yeah, yeah, my friend Baron actually helped me with that one day. He was talking about a project and he's like you know, the guy paid a million dollars. I remember a million dollars, that is so much money. And he says in his own Baron way, without giving a beat, he goes as long as you think it's a lot of money, you'll never have, and I was like well, probably could have figured out a nicer way to say that. But sure, and I was like, well, probably could have figured out a nicer way to say that.

Pamela Cass: 20:02

But sure, yeah, that's why you're friends.

Natalie Davis: 20:03

I was going to say we all know he's not going to sugarcoat it for you. You get what you get.

Joe Buckner: 20:08

But I've repeated that not only to myself but to other people over and over and over again. I'm like you can spend a million dollars today. Now I'm not saying a million is not a lot. A million is actually a lot of money it is. I mean, if someone just gave you a million bucks, you're like, damn, that's a lot of money, right, but it was a mindset thing that he was trying to teach me. If you think that's unattainable, you'll never get it. And so now I don't think anything's unattainable.

Natalie Davis: 20:31

Beautiful, beautiful. Oh my gosh, joe, you kind of alluded to this. Now you are franchising or licensing the gym.

Joe Buckner: 20:40

We're currently licensing the location. We're in the process of working with a company called Franchise Business Systems to actually make it an official franchise. My goal is to help 100 people make $100,000 a year. People are backing for fitness, like I figured out how to. They don't have to go through all the headaches and stuff that I do.

Natalie Davis: 20:59

I love that. How else are you pouring into other people, because I know that you are.

Joe Buckner: 21:03

Yeah. So the beauty of having this gym is it's given me access, and I've always been a person who says I just need people to see me. If they can see me, then they'll get it. And so I started a program which is called Fit to Fight, and initially I was doing it for teen boys who were justice impacted, and then it turned into doing it for men from Homeward Alliance who are men who are on parole, who are homeless, and then it turned into a program that I just ran for men period and then we started doing the girls one and I do the teen one twice a year. And Fit to Fight is a six-week program that is two hours at a time. It's an hour of boxing where I teach boxing instruction and then an hour of personal development around the program that I created and we focus on five key areas of life, which is faith, family, finances, fitness and fun, and I teach them how to take the traits of a championship fighter and apply it to those periods of their life to be successful.

Natalie Davis: 22:02

Beautiful, the five Fs Faith, family, finances, fitness and fun. Yeah, beautiful, beautiful, awesome.

Joe Buckner: 22:11

So I do that A few speaking engagements coming up here in the next couple months, and then I try to do a lot of it through my social little nuggets of wisdom and things that could have helped me. My biggest theory it's called shit your dad could have taught you. I started making these videos around 2020. It's like, oh, this is clever, but I sort of left me with a wayside. And then this brand I was working with called Ronin it's a men's brand they asked me to write a piece for Father's Day, and what I did instead was I wrote it as an open letter to my son 15 things I wished I'd had a dad to teach me.

Joe Buckner: 22:46

And so from that I think you talk about the social media thing. I think oftentimes people don't realize you have so much gold sitting in your Facebook memories that you'd probably never actually have to come up with any content. So one day I was just sitting again, it's COVID time and I'm looking at this list of things that I wrote and I was like I bet these would make cool videos, and so I just started making them. Here's some shit your dad should touch. Here's some shit your dad should touch about relationship, about money. And they blew up and they blew up and I think at that time my Instagram went from like 6,000 to 114,000. My TikTok went from 25,000 to right around 200,000. They've gone down a little bit since. Instagram has cleaned up like all the fake followers and boxing stuff, which I'm grateful for that.

Joe Buckner: 23:29

But from that I wrote an e-book. So I'm getting ready to launch my e-book on Groundfather's Day. It's called Craft. Your Dad Should Talk, because I Want People to Buy it. I don't want them to be put off by the curse word yeah, I'm just going to keep doing those types of things. I coach a lot of people one-on-one, I coach small group and I just am trying to realize that I was meant to live a life of service but also to acknowledge openly that living a life of service and a life of abundance are not mutually exclusive. They can go hand in hand.

Natalie Davis: 24:03

A little bit exclusive. They can go ahead and do it Beautiful. Well, joe, please share with us the link to your ebook, and we'll make sure that we put all of your social media handles in the show notes when we launch this episode, so that our listeners can start to follow and tune in. Shit your Dad Should have Taught you are the little nuggets that you have online, and then Crap your Dad Should have Taught you is the ebook that's coming out. Yeah, I love it. I love it. Well, joe, do you have any parting words for our listeners that you'd like to leave us with today?

Joe Buckner: 24:27

Yeah, I would say it's important to understand that there are no accidental humans and your life has purpose. The fact that you have a life means that it has a purpose, and it's up to you to not only figure out what that is, but when you figure out what it is, put your whole heart and self into it every single day and not just float through this thing, because it's not an at-bat, not a dress rehearsal Like this is the real deal, and when it's done, it's done. So your life has purpose, your life has meaning. There's no accident with humans. So do whatever you got to do to make this life magical.

Natalie Davis: 25:00

I don't think there's anything else that we need to say. That's it, I love that. Oh my gosh. Thank you so much for sharing that, joe and just I think our listeners know this and I might've shared this last year. Magical was actually my word of the year and it just became almost comical to the amount of times the word magical was mentioned, or magic, and then how many magical moments I was able to identify and experience, one of those being able to attend your wedding, by the way, to your beautiful friend Juliana.

Joe Buckner: 25:31

Thanks for coming to that.

Natalie Davis: 25:33

Yes, absolutely, joe, it has been an absolute pleasure, thank you?

Joe Buckner: 25:37

Yeah, thank you. Thank you for having me.

Pamela Cass: 25:40

Yes, thank you so much. I have two pages of notes Just absolutely amazing and I can't wait to follow you.

Joe Buckner: 25:45

Awesome. Yeah, I'll follow you back.

Natalie Davis: 25:47

I love it. Yeah, there were a few moments that I got emotional, and I'm not one that likes to keep my emotions out, so thank you for being so transparent and vulnerable with us today and with our listeners. There's so much that I think that we can all relate to to some degree, to some scale, and having even that last message that you've left us with just constantly reminding us one we have a choice, so that you left us with at the very beginning, but knowing that we're important, we're not here by accident and this is not dress rehearsal folks.

Pamela Cass: 26:15

I love that this is the performance itself.

Natalie Davis: 26:17

Thank you, joe Buckner, I appreciate you.

Joe Buckner: 26:19

Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate you for considering me.

Natalie Davis: 26:22

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