Catherine Austin Fitts – Discerning Truth in a Post-Covid World: A Grassroots Effort to Defeat the Enemies of Freedom

Welcome to a riveting conversation with Catherine Austin Fitts, a remarkable woman who (for 15 years) personally litigated against the Department of Justice and the IRS, and emerged victorious. Catherine shares her story of attempting to bring financial transparency to the US government, and her resulting discoveries of covert operations, genocide, and plunder capitalism. We discussed the comprehensive nature of central bankers' desire to control every aspect of our lives, which among other things, necessitated the development of entrainment technologies and the infiltration of religious institutions.

We delve into the World Economic Forum's dystopian predictions for 2030, the sovereign immunity established for 76 international institutions that covertly run the world, and the monetary black hole of the Bank for International Settlements, and its 63 member banks around the world, including the Federal Reserve. We covered the real story of 9/11 and the State of Israel, the weaponization of social media, the looming specter of unsustainable national debt, the open borders problem, and the uni-party push for a digital ID system and financial transaction control. We also talked about Trump and taxes, voters beware.

This holistic perspective on global challenges emphasizes the necessity of unity and local action. Most importantly, we outlined a framework for reclaiming local sovereignty, encouraging listeners to build resilient, self-sufficient communities by filling seven key roles. Despite the gravity of today's challenges, Catherine and I remain hopeful. Welcome to a strategic and disruptive grassroots movement that can provide a believable blueprint to restore our freedoms.

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE

• Video Recording of This Interview
• Catherine's website
• The Sovereignty Project 2.0 
• Dillon Reed and the Aristocracy of Stock Profits
• State of Control Documentary
• All the Plenary's Men
• Monopoly: Who Owns the World?

BOOKS MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE

• The Alta Vendita - by John Vennari
• Shepherds for Sale - by Megan Basham
• Victorious Eschatology - by Eberle and Trench
• Plunder - by Brenden Ballou
• These are the Plunderers - by Gretchen Morgenson
• Shock Doctrine - by Naomi Klein
• A History of Central Banking and the Enslavement of Mankind - by

Chapters

• 0:00 Discerning Truth in a Post-Covid World
• 10:21 Navigating the Fog of Lies
• 19:58 World Economic Forum's Future Insights
• 35:19 Uncovering Mind Control and Corruption
• 39:33 Financial Coup and Secret Infrastructure
• 49:17 Capitalism of Plunder
• 59:47 Building the Great Poisoning Strategy
• 1:11:55 Manipulation of Church and Wealth
• 1:19:53 State Loyalty, Identify Influence, Renew Faith
• 1:31:37 Challenging Political Solutions and Economic Plunder
• 1:42:50 Navigating Political and Financial Corruption
• 1:55:41 Creating Local Sovereignty Hubs
• 2:01:51 Healing United Today App Announcement

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:52

Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 38. This is the seventh episode in my Sovereignty series and it may go down as my favorite interview of all time. The conversation I'm about to play for you is with one of the most amazing people I have ever met, katherine Austin Fitz. I had the honor of hosting her for a meet and greet for subscribers to her business, the Solaria Report, and she was gracious to let us extend her visit to include a VIP dinner for local movers and shakers, and after that we hosted a discussion open to the public about what's really going on in the world and what we can do about it.

Speaker 1: 1:29

As those of you who have been following my work now starting in late 2021, my wife and I spent about 18 months building a program we called the Sovereignty Project. It started as a personal mission to disentangle from the weaponized systems we realized were working to take away our freedom, and Catherine's visit was the impetus to present a blueprint for how people in our local areas I think cities and counties can come together around the shared values of a local church and find the people to fill seven key roles needed to create a hub of freedom that is a bulwark against the societal meltdown we see happening around us. I took a few moments toward the end of our time on stage to cast a vision for how the people in our area could come together and friends. It is exciting. There is a motivated group of people here who have been hungry for what we can do to stop the decay around us. We've all been aware that we can't solve this problem on our own, and now we have a plan that leverages the breadth of our strengths. We actually have a believable plan to cut off all these globalist attack vectors and demonstrate a model for how other areas around the country might come together and do the same thing to make this globalist agenda dissolve into irrelevance. The changes we all want to see are not going to come from the top down. It is going to come from the grassroots, and that's really what we are working on here. So if that's something you're interested in, stick around to the end and I'll post a link in the show notes where you can see the visual I presented at the event and learn more about the Sovereignty Project 2.0. The next thing I'll say is that if you have friends who don't know who Katherine Austin Fitz is, or you know people who are just kind of starting to wake up to what's really going on in the world, this interview might be the perfect thing to send them. I'll also post a link in the show notes to our Odyssey channel where you can watch the recording of this event as well, and there's gonna be a few snippets if you want to see a few pieces of it.

Speaker 1: 3:22

So Catherine, I can say has, is one of the most remarkable and unique stories you can imagine. She may be the only person in the world certainly the only one I know of who went to battle with both the Department of Justice and the IRS and beat both of them in court. She spent about 15 years of her life doing that litigation, which was prompted by them raiding her business and seizing all her intellectual property because she was committing the crime of bringing transparency to where the government money was flowing, and transparency is not something those in power appreciate. So through that process, as you can imagine, catherine got a real world up close and personal education in deep state tactics. She knows what she's talking about because she has lived it. She was even poisoned multiple times in an effort to take her out. So fair warning, this is probably the largest number of controversial topics I've talked about in one episode and, true to my podcast's promise, this episode is sure to stretch your thinking.

Speaker 1: 4:27

After a discussion of Catherine's amazing background, we discussed the central bank objectives of digital enslavement and financial transaction control. We discussed the concept of plunder capitalism to give you eyes to see where the powers that be are working to weaken your purchasing power and stealthily steal your assets. Yes, friends, that is really happening. We discussed the open border problem and the composting of the American people. Catherine tells a fascinating story about her experience right before and after 9-11. That one got a rowdy response from the crowd. We also talked about the infiltration of the Catholic and Protestant churches. We talked about eschatology, which is just a fancy word for the study of the end times, and, side note, I misspoke on the title of one of the books I referenced. The title is actually called Shepherds for Sale, not Shepherds for Hire.

Speaker 1: 5:18

Anyway, that led into thoughts about Netanyahu and what's going on in Israel and Gaza. We talked about Trump and taxes and crypto and homeschooling, mind control tactics and even more topics in the Q&A, and I included those questions in here for you as well. So admittedly, I'm biased, but I think this is one of the best interviews I have ever heard Catherine give, and I've heard a lot of them. We even got a standing ovation when we were done. I can tell you that she is amazing and, despite all we covered, her and I are both still optimistic about the future If we can come together. We are far from powerless to stop what's happening.

Speaker 1: 5:57

On another side note, if you want a deeper dive into a lot of what Catherine and I talked about, you might check out the first episode in my Sovereignty series, which is episode 32, where I did my best to lay out the history of how we got to what we are living through today. One other small note is that there's about three times during the interview where the recording hiccuped for a second or two, so you'll hear a couple jumps in the audio, but it's not enough to lose your train of thought. The last thing I'll mention is that, since I knew we were going to talk about some weighty, controversial and even polarizing topics, I did my best to set the audience up to stay focused on what unites us rather than what divides us. So if you've craved a way to get to these kind of topics with people you care about, I hope you'll find something helpful in the way I set us up so you can be part of getting more of these discussions going where you live. The last thing I'll say is that Catherine is even more amazing in person than she is on video. She is not just a deeply fascinating person, she's also a deeply fascinated person. She loves learning and you can tell she just genuinely cares about people. She is so kind and humble, and if you ever get a chance to meet her or hear her speak in person, do not miss it. Okay, friends, take a deep breath, put on your best level-headed thinking caps and get ready for a feast of clarity and empowerment and hope. As with any episode, I'd love to hear what you think, and if you want to follow the work we are doing here in the Florida Panhandle, just make sure to subscribe to our newsletter at healingunitedtoday. There's a link for you in the show notes, and you can learn more about Catherine at solaricom.

Speaker 1: 7:27

Without further ado, here is my discussion with the one and only gem of a human, catherine Austin Fitz. All right, well, welcome to an event that's been near and dear to my heart for a long time, and I didn't have an excuse to pull it off until Catherine Austin Fitz came to town, and I'm just delighted to be here with you. We titled this talk this evening or this you get to basically sit in on a podcast interview. Catherine and I are just going to talk amongst friends up here on these chairs, but we titled this discerning Truth in a Post-COVID World, and I think you guys have figured out by now. We're kind of surrounded by a fog of lies and distractions and it's almost like we're walking a path at night and it's dark and a lightning bolt goes off and we're like was that a stick or a snake? I don't know what I just saw. I don't know if I'm supposed to be afraid of that or if I should be calm, that it was only a stick.

Speaker 1: 8:23

And there's this giant spectrum of doom bloggers who think the world's going to end and what I call hopium dispensers on the other end, who are people who just, you know, john F Kennedy Jr is about to come back and we're all going to be freed from the IRS and from the Fed and all the debt's going to go away.

Speaker 1: 8:44

And there's just figuring out who to trust and what's true and what's not is essentially what we're trying to figure out. Sun Tzu said all warfare is based on deception. There are people who don't want us to know what they're doing. They're not typically going to broadcast their plans. They're going to do it in sneaky ways and they'll talk to this audience this way and this audience this way, and I'll tell you something different, all wedging you to the same outcome. So one thing I'll tell you is we're going to talk about some hopeful things here tonight, but before I can get to that, we got to talk about some really ugly, uncomfortable things, and I'm so grateful to Vision Church for having the courage to host an event like this, because some of these topics are kind of like I don't know if we should talk about that in a church.

Speaker 1: 9:27

And if we can't talk about it here, where can we talk about it? These are supposed to be God's people wrestling with truth, and we know we've been distracted a lot. So how do we see through that fog? So I hope what we can do with this night is approach it with a deep sense of humility None of us knows everything. Curiosity or fascination like whoa is that really how that works? And to do that with a sturdiness of mind, to be able to hold competing ideas in our head and be like, okay, maybe that would imply different things, depending on what's actually true there. If we can exist in that headspace, I think we're going to have a fun time. So I'll say for this evening take the meat and leave the bones. If there's something Catherine or I say and you're like I don't know about that, okay, maybe you can discard the bone, but there's meat here. And I think we can all agree that we like the Constitution, we like freedom and we have so much more in common than the puppeteers who try to keep us divided.

Speaker 1: 10:22

So quick introduction who am I and why am I on this stage? My name is Christian Elliott. I am, I guess, a professional mutt you could call me. I've got a bachelor's in religion and theology. I've got a master's of divinity from seminary. I've got a health coaching background for the last 20 years and I got sucked into the freedom fight because of COVID and I wrote an article 18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a COVID Vaccine, which went viral beyond my wildest expectations. Some of you may be already like oh, that topic, yeah, that one. I wrote that article and it did a lot of things. But one cool thing it did was introduce me to a lot of really cool people in what became the medical or health freedom fight and in so doing I met a lot of people who inspired me.

Speaker 1: 11:07

And then I've seen and watched their journey over the last few years and some of them not all of them some people I used to really trust, I kind of don't anymore. I've seen some of the ways they have been co-opted or coerced or they've become malleable and the point there is that any one of us, but for the grace of God, can be wooed into or drift away from our principles or from what got us started in what we were doing. So my work right now is kind of as a I guess, a master generalist. I get to collect people who've been wrung out by the medical system or people who've been let down by the inflated promises of the alternative world, and when I have permission to go help the whole person, when I can think holistically about it, I can darn near raise the debt, because it's not as complicated to get someone. Well, if you can actually go after the root problem. And I've taken that approach to the sick globalist agenda that we're facing and like, okay, where can we back up and not be under their spell? Where can we not be under their thumb? And so I'm a weird generalist in a world of what I call partialists. Now I've taken the special out of specialist and just more, I think, accurately framed what they do. They focus on a part of the problem instead of the whole thing, and so what I hope to do tonight is that we can take that approach to step back and look at this fog of lies that we're in and say what is going on in the big picture. If we start to get that right, I think we can do some great things. So I want to give us, just to make sure we're on the same page and recognize how much we agree on. I'll give you 10 quick questions here, so we'll just kind of read the room and see if we don't have a lot in common.

Speaker 1: 12:49

So is there anybody here who thinks the media doesn't lie to us? Media is always truthful, okay. Is there anyone here who thinks you get unbiased search results on the internet? No, okay. Does there anyone here that thinks you know people would never weaponize social media against the populace, or especially against kids? Anybody think that? No, okay. How many of you think our education system would never intentionally erase our history and rewrite it? Okay? Is there anyone here who thinks it would be impossible to blackmail, coerce or bribe politicians, celebrities or even clergy, and to do it at scale? Okay, so far, so good. Does anybody here think we'd never start jailing people for criticizing the government? Have you seen January 6th? Do you see what's happening in the United Kingdom right now? Right, okay.

Speaker 1: 13:48

Is there anyone here who thinks $35 trillion of debt is sustainable? Is there anybody here who thinks the people who borrowed that money have any intent to pay it back? Nope, okay. Is there anyone here who thinks the open border is no big deal and it's only the best and brightest that are being bused into our cities, including this one? No, okay. Last one Is there anybody here who thinks evil doesn't exist or that psychopaths would never get organized to systematically steal, kill and destroy? They wouldn't work at a systems level to do what they can't do individually? Or would that be exactly what we would expect from people in the fog of war? That's what we're up against.

Speaker 1: 14:32

So I think that we can say that question everything is a pretty healthy motto, and what I don't want to do is get us so worked up that we're looking for a demon behind every bush. But I also don't want us to be so blind to it and like it's uncomfortable so I don't want to look at it. I think there's a middle here and we're going to do our best to strike that balance tonight. So Catherine and I are going to give you our opinions, and they're our opinions. We're not speaking for Vision Church, we're not speaking for anybody but ourselves, but we're going to do our best to give you a perspective, and so what I hope to do, there's three things I hope this talk accomplishes, or this dialogue accomplishes. So one is to to borrow Catherine's phrase to help us develop a more accurate map of reality.

Speaker 1: 15:11

If we can't see what's happening to us, we're likely to drive right into that sinkhole. Can't see what's happening to us, we're likely to drive right into that sinkhole. If we can, there's a lot better chance we can avoid it. So that's number one. The second thing is to cast some vision. I did a little bit of this in the VIP dinner we just had and just to help us think about this ugly systems level reality, like we don't have to stay stuck in that if we come together. And third, hopefully this event will be a springboard into taking some of us who have the maybe you're empty nester retiree, you've got time on your hands and we need help and you can come, bring your skills to this project of establishing some sovereignty here in the Panhandle. So we have quite a cross section of ages, stages, perspectives and skills in this room. So I'm going to give, I'm going to play, I'm going to show you guys a cartoon, two, a quote and two videos to kind of, as quickly as possible, set the stage for where we are.

Speaker 1: 16:10

So, gwen, if you can bring up that cartoon Bosses of the Senate. I don't know if you guys has anybody seen that cartoon Bosses of the Senate. Bosses of the Senate. I don't know if you guys has anybody seen that cartoon Bosses of the Senate. So right here this. Take a guess. Anybody know what year that cartoon was published? 1889. Very good, somebody gets one year off. That's from 1889. The bosses, those giant monopolists. If you see the top, this is the Senate of the monopolists, by the monopolists and for the monopolists. You notice the people's entrance is locked shut and these little tiny humans that we think we elect are really just bossed around by the big guys that control the money flows and tell them what they're supposed to do. All right, so keep that image in your mind as we go through tonight.

Speaker 1: 16:54

Okay, next one, gwen, go ahead and bring up for me the Montague Norman quote. So if you guys don't know who Montague Norman was, he was the head of the Bank of England. You got that one, gwen. Wait for it. I've darn near got this thing memorized because I've read it so many times, but this is a guy, so I'll go ahead and spoil it. This was set in 1924. Ironically, 100 years to the month where the 100-year anniversary this month of the quote she's about to bring up. You can't find it, okay, well then I will just wing it and hope she can find it. So, montague Norman, head of the Bank of England, 1924. This is post the World War I. They're about to engineer the Great Depression and World War II. And there we go, montague Norman. Okay, I added the part brackets at the beginning.

Speaker 1: 17:52

Our control of capital must protect itself in every possible way, both by combination and legislation. Debts must be collected, mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through the process of law, the common people lose their homes, they will become docile and more easily governed through the strong arm of government applied through the central power of wealth under leading financiers. Arm of government applied through the central power of wealth under leading financiers. These truths are well known among our principal men who are now engaged in forming an imperialism to govern the world. Does that sound a bit like what's happening today? All right, okay, next slide.

Speaker 1: 18:30

So there's Mr Montague Norman on the cover of Time Magazine. He goes on to say by dividing the voters through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting for questions of no importance. It is thus, by discrete action, we can ensure for ourselves sorry, not you guys so well planned and so successfully accomplished. Ouch, that's how a globalist or that's how a central banker thinks. Their control of the money supply and what you and I have to exchange with is power. It gives them the ability to tell us what rules we have to play by and who can have access to it and where it goes. And so much of our monetary system now is dark. We don't even know where most of it's going. That's how those guys think. Okay, that's number two.

Speaker 1: 19:18

Number three Gwen, if you can play the World Economic Forum video. So if you guys missed this disgusting piece of vision casting put out by the World Economic Forum for their prediction of what the world will look like by 2030, that would be this next video. So it's about a minute and a half, and see if this does. Literally. When I first saw this video, it viscerally turned my stomach. I was like, oh my gosh, here it is. So this part of the event did not have any spoken words, so I just figured I'd read you what was on the screen that the people were seeing. So here are the eight. I'd like you what was on the screen that the people were seeing. So here are the eight I like to point out.

Speaker 1: 19:59

There's actually nine predictions that the World Economic Forum gave us for what the world will look like by 2030. Prediction number one you'll own nothing and you'll be happy. Prediction number two everything you want, you'll rent and it will be delivered by drone. Prediction number three the US won't be the world's leading superpower. A handful of countries will dominate. Prediction number four you won't die waiting for an organ. We won't transplant organs. We'll print new ones. Prediction number five you'll eat much less meat an occasional treat, not a staple for the good of the environment and our health.

Speaker 1: 20:36

Prediction number six a billion people will be displaced by climate change. We'll have to do a better job of welcoming and integrating refugees. Prediction number seven polluters will have to pay to emit carbon dioxide. There will be a global price on carbon. This will help make fossil fuels history. Prediction number eight you could be preparing to go to Mars. Scientists will have worked out how to keep you healthy in space, the start of a journey to find alien life. And bonus prediction number nine Western values will have been tested to the breaking point. Checks and balances that underpin our democracies must not be forgotten.

Speaker 1: 21:17

So if you want a deeper dive into these, I took on all nine of these in episode 32 and gave you my thoughts on them so you can go back and reference that if you'd like a little bit more on those. But now back to the episode. Anybody want to give that a thumbs up, like comment share, as if that's something we all want to sign up for. So we're going to talk in a second Like they're literally. Their goal is that, by the time 2030 gets here, you don't own a thing, and they don't mean like your car, your house. They mean like your toaster and your shirt, your living room. They published that as an article in 2016, but it's 2030. I own nothing and I've never been happier, was the headline. So that's where some sick people are trying to take us All right.

Speaker 1: 22:02

Last video, and this is if you were at the VIP dinner, you already saw this one. This is I refer to as Jabba the Hutt. This is Augustin Carstens talking at the Bank for International Settlement. You can think of the Bank for International Settlement. You can think of the Bank for.

Speaker 3: 22:17

International Settlements, Our analysis on CBDC, in particular for the use of general to the general use, and there is a huge difference. For example, we don't know, for example, who is using a $100 bill today. We don't know who is using a $1,000 bill today. A key difference with the CBDC is that central bank will have absolute control on the rules and regulations that will determine the use of that expression, of central bank liability, and also we will have the technology to enforce that. Those two issues are extremely important and that makes a huge difference with respect to what cash is.

Speaker 1: 23:10

Yeah. So the World Economic Forum failed to mention what they're going to do with the money, so I thought we'd go straight to the head of the snake and hear from him. The Bank for International Settlements is a hub and a 63-spoke wheel where money can just go into that black hole and disappear and nobody knows where it goes. The Bank for International Settlements is literally its own country. It has its own flag, its own police force. They operate outside the laws of any nation and somehow they convinced the government of Switzerland to give, and somehow they convinced the government of Switzerland to give them that privilege. Ouch, so that's the guy that wants to tell the rest of us what money is. Because there's this gross thing called cash and you guys are using it and they don't know what you're doing and they want to stop that. So I'm going to bring up somebody who can explain this way better than me.

Speaker 1: 24:24

So, catherine, come up here on the stage. I need to decrease, she needs to increase. So welcome the lovely Catherine Austin Fitz to the stage. Thank you, christian, you're welcome, all right. So what I wanted her to do first is just a lot of you, I know, do not know who she is and say what? I'll move the podium. You guys can't see. Yeah, thank you, jojo. Okay, put this over here. So a lot of you don't know who Catherine Austin Fitz is and I think by the time you're done you'd be like why have I never heard of this woman? So, catherine, give us your background, your story, and get maybe the five to 10 minute version of who you are and your experience in the government, managing money, et cetera.

Speaker 4: 25:06

Okay, so I grew up in Philadelphia and graduated from university I went to Wall Street and became a partner and member of the board of Dylan Reed and Company. If you can read all about it, I published an online book called Dylan Reed and the Aristocracy of Stock Profits and I left the. We sold the firm in 86 and then had non-compete contracts. When they came off, I went into the Bush administration. A lot of people from Dylan Reed went into the first Bush administration and I was assistant secretary of housing, fha commissioner, so I was responsible for the mortgage insurance programs and started to uncover the extraordinary amount of mortgage fraud going on in the country. I left and started a company.

Speaker 4: 25:52

I discovered the internet when I was in the administration and I realized we can use this technology to bring transparency to government flows in communities, and communities and small business can make a lot of money facilitating investment both locally and getting government money out, because government money comes with a huge amount of controls and terms and conditions that really drain prosperity from communities. So we started a company. The company was very successful and the company was so successful the Department of Justice seized our offices and stole the software because they didn't want transparency. So we had a software tool called Community Wizard. You could dial into the Internet and you could say, ok, my neighborhood is my county or my neighborhood is my zip code, or my neighborhood is my congressional district, and you could start to see how the money worked and what you would see if you dug into the money is and I used this example this afternoon we were spending $250,000 to build public housing when $50,000 would buy and rehab a single-family home in the same neighborhood. So there were unbelievable what I call financial arbitrages. There were unbelievable what I call financial arbitrages. Another example is you could find neighborhoods where you were paying $125 to $500 per hour to a defense contractor to do something that could be teleported into that community for and somebody would love to do the job for $30 plus health care. So there were tremendous opportunities using the Internet and new technology to literally get government money out of neighborhoods but to make communities much, much more prosperous. Anyway, so that was a political problem because there was a group of people, as described here, that wanted to centralize control of the economy and I was trying to decentralize.

Speaker 4: 27:43

So I ended up litigating with the Department of Justice for 11 years and I told the story this afternoon. Somebody used to say who here has seen the movie Enemy of the State? This woman played Will Smith in real life and it was a very immersive process. We had 18 audits and investigations, 12 tracks of litigation, physical harassment, all sorts of smear campaigns. If you come to, I now publish the Solari Report. I have a series called Deep State Tactics 101, because I got quite an education. It was a remarkable education. Anyway, miracle of miracles, we won the litigation after 11 years. I then spent four years fighting with the IRS. We won that too. And then I started two companies.

Speaker 4: 28:32

During the litigation I'd had to go public. I was an investment banker, a very private person, but I would get to win the litigation. I had to go public and I started to do radio shows and I'd had terrible experiences when I was in Washington with the Washington Post, new York Times, which convinced me that they were criminal enterprises. I just said that's it. I'll have nothing more to do with corporate media. So I would give out my email and I would say if you have a question for me, just email your question.

Speaker 4: 28:59

And over time, over many years, those questions grow into two business. One is the Solaria Report, where our tagline is live a free and inspired life, and our goal is to help people understand what's going on in the world so they don't get taken advantage of by financial fraud, by health fraud, by the hope porn, the fear porn. Our job is to help you get a map so that you can live a free and inspired life. We believe your purpose is your purpose, but we want to help you get a map so that you can live a free and inspired life. We believe your purpose is your purpose, but we want to help you build wealth and be successful around your purpose, including ducking the scud missiles when they come in. So that's the Solari Report, which is really a media business. And then the other business was an investment advisory business.

Speaker 4: 29:42

I did investment advisory for 10 years, which has now evolved into a screen company. The regulation was so extreme and invasive I felt the government essentially wanted me to dig out all the data on my clients and give it to them and I said, no, I'm not doing that. So I stopped being an investment advisor. But I saw so much about the cost of a lie to a family. I saw families. You know, in the process of being an investment advisor I worked with hundreds of families and I realized one lie about health care, one lie about financial fraud can literally destroy and devastate a family, and it really committed me to having integrity and trying my best to tell the truth.

Speaker 4: 30:30

On the salaried report, we just try and really just stick with the truth, no matter how unusual or uncomfortable it is, because what every family needs is they need an honest map of reality. I always tell people you need to know the official narrative and then you need to know reality. And the official narrative is for the cocktail party and reality is for the investment of your time and money. I don't want you to use reality at the cocktail party if it's not appropriate because you could lose your friends, and I don't want you to use the official narrative to invest your time and money because you could lose your life or you could lose all your money. So we like to provide both, and so now we have subscribers all over the world.

Speaker 4: 31:16

We are exceptionally concerned about the push for total central control by controlling your financial transactions. You just heard Augustine Carstens speak about the central banker's desire to assert complete control. I call it a financial transactions. You just heard Augustine Carstens speak about the central banker's desire to assert complete control. I call it a financial coup. So instead of there being a balance of power between the central bankers running monetary policy and allowing the people's representatives to run fiscal policy and taxation, the bankers are hoping to use an all-digital financial system to literally take over and control the fiscal side of the house and taxation without representation as well.

Speaker 4: 31:55

And if we've grown up and been blessed with freedom the way we all have, it's very hard to imagine that a group of people would want this kind of control. But it is literally a level of control that is a slavery system, because they can then dictate. So imagine if the pandemic happened again today. They can literally dictate that your money cannot work If they say you can't go five miles from your home. Beyond five miles, your money won't work, your bank account won't work, your credit card won't work. If they don't want you eating a certain kind of food, your money won't work to buy that food.

Speaker 4: 32:32

We did a publication on pharma food and synthetic lab-grown meat. It's the most horrible thing I ever read and I realized oh, the marketing plan for this is financial transaction control, because the only reason anybody would eat this is because it's all their money will buy. So we started a year ago to do something called the Financial Transaction Freedom Tour, where I'm essentially traveling around Europe and the United States talking with people with all the things we can do, because this is not inevitable, it doesn't have to happen, but there's a great deal of things we can do. One of the things we can do this year is make sure that we don't get persuaded to adopt a digital ID on the theory. That's what we need to solve the immigration problem or that's what we need to solve the election fraud.

Speaker 4: 33:21

We don't need a digital ID, and we certainly. You know we ran the border and protected our borders before digital technology existed. We had elections before digital technology existed. You know, my ancestors have lived on this planet for thousands of years without many of these different systems. So don't be persuaded, because a digital ID is the condition precedent to getting complete financial transaction control. Once you have a digital ID, whether they do it with MasterCard, a Visa or a CBDC, there are many different ways to do it. If they go to an all-digital system with a digital ID, we are now talking about complete control, where literally the bankers have complete control of dictating how we live, where we live, what we eat, what we do, and many people say well, I have no assets, I have nothing to lose. You do have something to lose you have your children and your grandchildren, and they can literally take them too.

Speaker 1: 34:22

So this is really happening Right, there are people trying to do this. So, so, this is really happening Right, there are people trying to do this. So, catherine, go back to that World Economic Forum video with us where they say it's 2030, you own nothing and you're happy. It sounds, on the surface, so implausible that that would be something, one that somebody would be working toward, but two that they could actually pull it off. So help us see these unseen hands that they could actually pull it off. So help us see these unseen hands. Help us see what we may not quite notice in the way our money is being manipulated and leading us to the seizure of our assets.

Speaker 4: 34:53

So remember that particular slogan was targeted at young people. So they are very clear that somebody who's worked their whole life and has lots of retirement savings is not going to be happy. But I want to talk a little bit about that how you're going to be happy. Part In 1984, and this is what started me on this journey I overheard a conversation I wasn't supposed to hear and it was. I was on Wall Street, I was very successful and I heard two billionaire types talking about entrainment technology and subliminal programming that was going to be rolled out on TV. And that was the moment I went home and that was it for me and TV. I gave away the TV and entrainment. The way entrainment technology works is it makes you feel good and then the subliminal programming puts ideas into your consciousness and or into your semi-conscious and it's basically mind control. It's it's changing what we think, how we think, and it's very, very strong and it's been progressively becoming more and more integrated into our media, our smartphones, our smart digital TVs. You know it can come in through the wifi-Fi. If you come to Soleri. We have a couple of collections called you put in mind control. On the search engine you'll get the mind control collection. And I originally created them because I gave a presentation in Memphis and a group of grandparents came up to me and said we're so concerned about our grandchildren. They're literally you know, they want to. You know, at 10 years old they want to change their sex. What is happening to our children? And so I said, look, I'm going to have to explain neurological weaponry. It's real and you need to understand.

Speaker 4: 36:40

When you give a child a smartphone, okay, who here has not seen a James Bond movie? Has everybody seen a James Bond movie? Okay, Do you know who Spectre is in the James Bond movie? Spectre is the global organized crime syndicate. And who was it? Blofeld, the guy who looks like Klaus Schwab, was the. You know Goldfinger was Blofeld, was the. You know the evildoer that ran. Okay, so we all know who Spectre is. When you give a child a smartphone, you are giving Spectre 24-7 access to your children's or your grandchildren's subconscious. Okay, and they are using that access. And you know they use that access. How many children disappeared in the United States last year? Over 100,000? 140,000, I think somebody said yesterday. You know they are using that literally to kidnap and traffic children. So when you give a child a smartphone, realize when they say well, all my friends have it. Do you really want Spectre to have access to your child or your grandchild? But that's the kind of you're basically giving them a tool that those forces can use, using neurological weaponry, to brainwash your kids and grandkids.

Speaker 1: 38:01

Yeah, If you guys haven't seen the documentary the Social Dilemma, you might check that out. The people who built all the social media platforms won't give their kids access to those platforms because they know what Wood's website called OmniWar. It's going to be September 21st and just sign up.

Speaker 4: 38:31

It's free and it's by the top group of scholars in the world studying how controlled technology like this works. It's called OmniWar and it's going to be excellent.

Speaker 1: 38:42

Okay, so, okay. Next topic. So you've talked about the globalist coup You've talked about. There's a story you've told many times about a conversation where somebody told you no, you're too late, they're giving up on the country, they're moving the money out and up until 2015, I think it was we have $21 trillion missing from the federal books, and that's roughly $65,000 per person in the country. The federal books, and that's roughly $65,000 per person in the country. So you, your kids, everyone in your family.

Speaker 4: 39:15

They've stolen roughly $65,000. So tell us how in the world that happened. We know it because remember they took the books dark after that. So all the books for the next nine years have been dark.

Speaker 1: 39:21

Yeah, since 2015. So yeah, last nine years they just gave up the pretense of pretending to follow the law and that money has just continued to be taken out of the US Treasury into the black hole of who knows what. So any conspiracy theory you could think of, there's a plausible funding mechanism for it. Right Doesn't mean it's real, but there would be a way to fund the most dystopian thing you could possibly think of with that much money.

Speaker 4: 39:47

So if you talk to some of the people who are leaders in the financial system, what they would say is look, we did everything we could to get the constitutional republic system to operate on a fiscally sound basis, and the general population would not support a fiscally sound government. And if you look at the budget deal that collapsed in 1995, that was proof that the body politic would never allow a responsible fiscal mechanism. And so the intelligent thing to do is to simply you know, just like when you have a business you run your old systems and then you build your new systems and you operate them in parallel. What you do is you just say, okay, we're going to suck all the money out of the old system, move it into the new, run the two systems in parallel, and then we're ready to bring down the old. We just assert complete financial transaction control and force everybody to go along.

Speaker 1: 40:49

Right, but where did that money go? Somebody was asking that in the previous conversation. Help us see, because it doesn't feel as real to us often. Help them see where it went.

Speaker 4: 41:00

To find out where that money would go, I would need access to audit the federal government accounts at the New York Fed for DOD and HUD, which were the two agencies so in their records of where the money went. I would need access to know where the money went. I can give you conjecture on where I think the money went. I think the first thing they did was using the BIS as a laundry, but they had many laundries. They started to put money into things like the Gates and Clinton Foundation to start to invest and build the new infrastructure, including the control grid. I also think they've invested a tremendous amount in invisible weaponry and the black budget and black technology. After World War II we created something called the black budget and started to finance secret technology, including invisible weaponry, for many years. Many of you have probably heard the dollar's about to collapse and then the dollar doesn't collapse and it's strong. The reason is the invisible weaponry is much more powerful in the US. Military is much more powerful than is understood because of much of this technology. So a lot of money went into the invisible weaponry and that infrastructure In the Reagan administration.

Speaker 4: 42:28

The deal that the Bushes made with Reagan when they went in was that Bush would control the National Security Council, the Department of Justice and the CIA basically intelligence enforcement and Bush got Reagan to sign an executive order that said private corporations could do highly classified secret projects. And what that did was that directly connected the US stock market to the Treasury bond market, which means the Treasury could issue an infinite amount of bonds and send that money on a secret basis to all the big corporations to do secret projects. There's a wonderful documentary if you want to understand this process, called State of Control. It's made by a group of really first-rate movie producers and documentary makers in the Netherlands in 2020. It's called State of Control. You can get it for free up on the internet and we describe this process.

Speaker 4: 43:28

So I think a lot of it went into invisible weaponry, but I also believe a lot went into funding, essentially, a new civilization. So at one point when I was in the Bush administration, I watched the cabinet secretary I worked for get really frustrated and he was yelling at a regional administrator for doing something and the regional administrator said but Mr Secretary, you know I had to do it, it's the law. The secretary just exploded with rage and he said the law, the law. I don't have to obey the law. I report to a higher moral authority. What he meant was I'm operating for the breakaway of civilization. I don't need to. I'm operating for the breakaway civilization, I don't need to obey the Constitution or any of that, and I think they've literally built an endowment of resources. I mean, if you steal $21 trillion and you earn 10% a year on $21 trillion, that's $2.1 trillion a year. That's enough to run a global government on an endowment basis.

Speaker 1: 44:24

Yeah, Well, tell them about Corey Lynn's article about the International Organization Immunities Act. Remember that one where, with a stroke of a pen, the president can use an executive order to give immunity to international organizations.

Speaker 4: 44:41

Right. So if you come to Soleri, coraline did a whole series. We've done a series of articles on sovereign immunity. What has happened after World War II? Well, it started with the Bank of International Settlements, which has sovereign immunity in Switzerland, but then we built a series of international organizations the UN agencies related to the UN that have various forms of sovereign immunity, including over 40 down in Latin America. Corey did a great piece on Latin America.

Speaker 4: 45:13

So you have all these institutions around the world that, essentially, are operating outside the law. John Titus has a wonderful video called All the Plenarius Men where he describes, during the financial crisis, why the Department of Justice would not prosecute the banks and he shows how the BIS protected them through the Financial Stability Board and essentially got them covered with sovereign immunity from any kind of prosecution sovereign immunity from any kind of prosecution. So we're operating in a world and this is part of the financial coup where you have a group of players who have sovereign immunity and protection from the law. They have a get out of jail free card. In many cases they are immune from taxes. They're free from taxes and they have a very low cost of capital, particularly if they can print money, whereas we are subject to the law and we don't begin to be able to print our own money. I mean in theory we could if we decided to get together.

Speaker 1: 46:13

Yeah, there's what 76 international organizations, 76 executive orders that every president since World War II, except for Trump and so far Biden, have signed an executive order giving blanket immunity to World Trade Organization, united Nations. Pick your non-government institution, and then they can extend that and correct me if I'm missing it. They can extend that immunity to anybody who does business with them. If you subcontract, let's say, with the UN, or you subcontract with the World Trade Organization or the World Tourism Organization or anything pharma or food or whatever you are also protected behind a liability shield. So FOIA goes out, freedom of information goes out the window. We can't see what all this money is doing, and all these organizations have basically created their own covert governance where they can travel freely, which was really cool during COVID, because the rest of us had to show our papers, and so that to me, that was a big aha moment where I thought, my goodness, this is how they're doing it. They got control of the money and they've set up all these organizations.

Speaker 4: 47:17

I should also mention, because we've done two big studies at Solari on space and investment in space, because I think one of the command decisions, I think the reason they globalized or made a decision to globalize in the early 90s, was they wanted to make a very significant investment in space and to do that they needed the engineering capacity of Asia and so allowing Asia to develop and develop that infrastructure and that engineering capacity was part of an effort, a concerted effort, to become a multi-planetary civilization. So if you look at WEF, they're saying you know, you're preparing for a trip to Mars. So I think that one of their strategic goals was to make a massive investment in space. Strategic goals was to make a massive investment in space and part of the financial coup was saying look, we can honor the boomers' retirement and pay for a lot of nursing homes, or we can just steal that money and spend it on space. And one of the things you see when you study significant investment in space is that to platform that investment on a secret basis and the invisible weaponry on a secret base and you needed to build a very significant infrastructure and underground basis. So we have on one of those weeks where we don't have money in markets.

Speaker 4: 48:39

Go listen to our interview with Richard basis, one of the smartest researchers we have in our network. And I spent two years taking every report or rumor of an underground base in the United States and we collected it and then systematically went, state by state, through all 50 states, took us two years and we estimated and this is just our guess that there are 172 underground bases just in the United States. Wow, and you know, and that includes under ocean bases, so it's a very significant secret infrastructure. There's a great scene, I think in the movie Independence Day, when they take the president down into the bunker, you know, and he sees all these scientists in this huge laboratory and he's like where did the money come from to do this? I don't know about this. And one of the scientists behind him is actually the dad of the scientist. He said you don't really think it costs $60,000 to make toilets, do you?

Speaker 1: 49:44

Right, Okay, well, so you've used the. We kind of set the stage for what we think is going on here and we've seen their dystopian vision of you're going to rent everything. You're not going to really own anything. You've used the term plunder capitalism, meaning we're going to go plunder areas. So define that term for us a little bit and then tell us, give us some examples of that in action.

Speaker 4: 50:06

Okay, so plunder capitalism is a word that describes economic warfare, which is designed. It's a form of investment that extracts capital, as opposed to invest capital to build a positive return. So I think of investment as something. I invest money in a company, I want that company to succeed. If it succeeds and it builds and it grows, it creates equity value and the company gets more valuable and you make a positive return. Extraction capital is when you invest in a company and it started with what's called the leverage buyouts and the LBO game and you're trying to basically extract as much capital out of the company as you can.

Speaker 4: 50:54

So we have a series of large private equity companies in America and if you look, there are two great new books and I wrote book reviews. You can read them up on the Soler Report. One is called Plunder by Brendan Ballou, who's a wonderful attorney at the Department of Justice, and the other is by Gretchen Morganson and it's called they Are Plunderers and they show a lot of case studies. But in there what you read is that if a private equity firm any of the big private equity firms in America buy a company, or if a publicly traded or other investor buys a company, there's a 2% chance that that company will go bankrupt in the next 10 years. If it's purchased by a private equity firm, there's a 20% chance that company will go bankrupt. And you literally see private equity firms. They take over the company, they squeeze out the money, they put it in bankruptcy and bankrupt the pension fund and move the pension fund over to the government. But they have a variety or sell off. A big one is they sell off their real estate assets, but essentially they're not looking to build up the company, they're looking to extract capital quickly.

Speaker 4: 52:09

Yeah, okay, now that's plunder capitalism targeted at a company. There's such a thing as plunder capitalism targeted at a neighborhood. I grew up in an African-American neighborhood and in the old days we used to call it a beatdown. Old days we used to call it a beat down. But plunder capitalism is when you move in on a country or a territory and you're there to extract assets and capital. One of the things you do is you deliver a shock which puts everybody in a bad situation and then you can buy their assets cheap. So COVID was plunder capitalism. Here's how it works.

Speaker 4: 52:46

I vote on the going direct reset. The central bankers get together August 2019. They vote to do the going direct reset. They inject $5 trillion into the economy. That goes mostly to Wall Street. Covid comes along. They shut down Main Street.

Speaker 4: 53:02

Right Now the publicly traded stocks can suck up all the market share. So Amazon, costco, zoom, they're all getting everybody's market share because Main Street shut down. Everybody on Main Street needs to feed their kids. Some of them have to sell their land in real estate and it's easy to do. It's easy to buy it because you just got $5 trillion. You have money to go shopping. So that's an example of a major plunder capitalist play. That literally happened, you know, throughout the Western world and throughout the world and it was quite remarkable. It was probably the most financially successful plunder capitalist move that we've seen so far successful plunder capitalist move that we've seen so far. We just published something on the Solari Report, which is part of our series to help state legislators on five case studies of plunder capitalism. That also does a description of how the model works.

Speaker 1: 54:00

What are the five?

Speaker 4: 54:02

It's Cyprus, Nigeria, Kenya, Greece, Russia.

Speaker 1: 54:09

That's five.

Speaker 4: 54:10

One other.

Speaker 1: 54:11

I think that was five.

Speaker 4: 54:13

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 54:13

Thank you, Joan One more, but that's five Anyway. But there's also a very good description of oh no, we did Latin America, so it's six. There were a lot of, and there's a book called Shock Doctrine about the shocks that were done in Latin America. And it's interesting, if you talk to.

Speaker 4: 54:44

Some of the's happening in the Ukraine today is we went in, we sent in the intelligence agencies, the law firms, the investment banks and the Russian mafia in Russia after the wall came down and Harvard led the effort and we did.

Speaker 4: 55:03

It's called the Rape of Russia and we basically put Russia into a shock and did a lot of stripping of assets and tried to use that opportunity for the Western investment interests to buy up a lot of the oil and gas. And if you talk to some of the people involved in that shock, it was very profitable, very successful, and it's described in the case studies that we write up. And one of the things they said was you know, we didn't want to bring the government down completely because we were afraid we'd lose control of the nuclear arsenal and the nuclear arsenal could get, so they didn't take the government, they didn't do a complete implosion, but there are some estimates that as many as 25 million people died as a result of the economic collapse, and so the Russians remember that. That's one of the reasons why they are adamant that they are not going to let the United States do that again. They believe that and this has been the announced neocon strategy that one of the goals of the Ukraine effort was to implode Russia again so we could get control of the natural resources there.

Speaker 1: 56:13

Yeah. So that's plunder. That's them working to, as they said in the video, take our assets and the US will no longer be the world's leading superpower. That effort is now being aimed at us and we can see it coming and we can do something about it. But another? I'm going to give just a couple of examples that I've heard you mention. There's the simpler, subtler things Like if you go to Dollar General, they'll add extra charges on your receipt at checkout that aren't on the price tag. They will do that at car rental tag. They will do that at car rental companies. They will do things like telling the Dutch farmers or any farmer that you have to change your standard of how you farm and we can keep squeezing you until you can't make it as a farmer and we can take your land. They'll do that with homeowners insurance. Some of you may have had that fun thing. This is all around us and they're trying to tighten the noose and the more and check to make sure when they check out it's the same price.

Speaker 4: 57:32

And I believe I can't prove it, but I believe with AI and software they can literally do. They can do custom design it for you. They'll say you know, I know Harry's really wealthy and busy. They'll say you know, I know Harry's really wealthy and busy and so he won't check so we can pad it more. So I literally think it's a fraudulent model. I've run into this with car rental companies. I've run into it with hotels and it's unbelievable. I used to always prefer to stay in hotels and now I always want to stay in a private home because I feel like I'm living in a. You know, I'm living in an extraction unit, you know, anyway. So so it's a real. You know, one of the reasons I love to pay cash is if you give them your credit card number, the next thing, you know. You know they're padding the bill.

Speaker 1: 58:23

Yeah, yeah, Okay. Now another phrase I've heard you use that was like was composting the American people. So give us an example or two of that, or what do you mean by that? I've got.

Speaker 4: 58:33

There's one thing I do want to bring up and that is we just did a salari report on car insurance.

Speaker 4: 58:37

We have a wonderful attorney who's a subscriber, who defends people who are being defrauded by their car insurance company, and I was out in Idaho with him and it was three hours to drive me from the airport into the Sandpoint and then another, so an hour and a half to drive us to Sandpoint, an hour and a half back, and the whole time I was just grilling him on.

Speaker 4: 59:00

Because if you do as much driving around America as I do, because if you do as much driving around America as I do, the number of accidents are just skyrocketing because people's cognition is really slipping or they're distracted by the screens or there are many different reasons, but there's a real problem with it getting riskier to drive. So I really care that people have good car insurance. So I was grilling this guy year to drive. So I really care that people have good car insurance. So I was grilling this guy and the stories of how insurance companies are shaking people down and lying and cheating were absolutely frightening, and that's why we I don't know if you I want you to listen to that, because you have to make you have six kids. I want you to have really good car insurance.

Speaker 1: 59:39

Okay, and any of you who have kids, really good car insurance, okay. Talk to us about the border or the great poisoning or genocide as a strategy. To me those are somewhat mixed together, but those are examples of composting us.

Speaker 4: 59:56

So the border is a policy and it's a policy which is supported by both sides of the house Because it's decided above. You know, if you look at the financial system, they are moving a significant number of people in and there seems to be many multiple. Whenever you have a move this big, there are multiple goals. It's called stacking functions. They always stack function. Clearly they're trying to bring in cheap labor and that is helping them refinance up the Social Security. So the Social Security system is being helped by drops in life expectancy, but it's also being helped by immigrants. I have people telling me that employers literally are getting tons of immigrants with intentionally fraudulent IDs so they can pay into Social Security that they'll never get. Yep.

Speaker 4: 1:00:59

Right. So part of it is cheap labor, part of it is sort of helping to build Social Security, but the other is weaponization. So they are weaponizing the immigrants to dilute the power of our general population, to stop them from doing central control. And you know there's no doubt that the democrats are working very hard to get some of those people registered. Um and, and you know it's a very dangerous situation because you're bringing in a lot of people without uh checks and balances and the cartels are definitely bringing in people and you're also having a lot of kids come in and disappear or get kidnapped, which is very frightening. So one of the big questions is we have lots of young military-age men coming in and there's a push in the Senate to make it easy to move those people into the US military. So the question is are we going to end up with a lot of foreigners in the US military?

Speaker 1: 1:02:06

It's a big question, I don't know who don't share our values, who don't have a history here to want to defend it or defend us, right, yep? Okay, so many topics, all right. So September 11th happened on a Tuesday and on Wednesday you go to church and your pastor makes statement and he asks your opinion.

Speaker 4: 1:02:32

Tell us that story. Yeah, so the first thing that happened, september 9th, I was working with a reporter in Washington. I was living in Tennessee and when I first moved to Tennessee in 2000, I was working with a reporter who I would talk to every weekend. We would coordinate and I was helping her with research and what we found was whenever we would get a political sermon at church, I would call her and she'd say how can you know that? My best source at the FBI just leaked that to me and we discovered there was extraordinary coordination between the political sermons I was getting about once a month it wasn't every week and the leak she was getting from the CIA and the FBI was extraordinary. It was like a marketing campaign. It was like a campaign with the fax back service the line of the day, and she was getting it from one source, I was getting it from another.

Speaker 4: 1:03:24

Anyway, so I go to church on September 9th 2001, and it's the most political sermon we've ever gotten, and the sermon is that there are two women who were arrested in Afghanistan for preaching the gospel and the message is that the tension between Islam and the Christian church have come to a head and the only way to resolve it is to go to war, and they lay out the battle plan. It was like Wesley Clark's five country, you know, and we're going to Afghanistan and then we're going to Iraq. So I go home and I call Kelly and I said, kelly, we're going to war in Afghanistan. She said I haven't gotten a link. It was the first time she hadn't gotten a leak.

Speaker 4: 1:04:08

I said I'm telling you, we're going to Afghanistan, and then we're going to Iraq, and then we're going to these other countries, we're going to war. She said I haven't gotten a leak. So she and I were working on a story about all the money that was disappearing from the federal government, all the missing money, and at that point there was $4.1 trillion missing from DOD and HUD. So now it's in 2015,. It was $21, but then it was $4 trillion.

Speaker 1: 1:04:30

Yeah, by the way, Donald Rumsfeld went on C-SPAN on September 10th 2001,. If you haven't seen it, he's like it's weird. The Department of Defense is missing $2.3 trillion.

Speaker 4: 1:04:51

So we had a huge story on the missing money coming out on Friday Okay, so that was like the 15th and she had the cover story in Insight Magazine which automatically goes to every congressional office, every senator's office. She had the cover story $4 trillion missing. So the next day was September 10th and she called me and she said Rumsfeld just had a press conference and did a modified hangout. He said there was 2.3 trillion missing. So we thought he was trying to get ahead of our story and I said to Kelly something I will never say again. I said nothing's going to stop this story from going viral.

Speaker 4: 1:05:21

Now the next morning is 9-11. Kelly calls me in the morning. She she said somebody just flew a plane into the world trade center. You gotta you know, you gotta watch. I didn't have a tv but I could get online and watch it. So, um, it was very interesting.

Speaker 4: 1:05:37

So the next morning I get up and there's a. There was a black farmhand who was helping he works for my cousin, but he was helping me on my property and he walked across and it was amazing to see the African-American community and the Caucasian community had a totally different perspective on the whole thing. He walks up to me and he said we think it was the Bushes, what do you think? So I was like, okay, these guys know. So I'm riding my bicycle around the town commons on Wednesday night and I realize, okay, these guys know.

Speaker 4: 1:06:05

So I'm riding my bicycle around the town commons on Wednesday night and I realized, oh, it's Wednesday, it's prayer service. So I thought I got to hear this. So I go to church and I walk in and everybody's there, the whole it's a tiny church, all the whole congregation. And I'm sitting there and the pastor gets up and walks up to the podium and he says George W Bush was anointed by God for a time such as this. And I put my head in my hands and I was like, oh God, please help me, save me.

Speaker 4: 1:06:38

I didn't want to just mouth off, I didn't want to be effective. So I'm just praying for divine intervention. And exactly at that moment my pastor says my middle name's Austin. He says Austin, you worked in Washington. What do you think Now?

Speaker 4: 1:06:53

For Southern Baptist convention preacher to ask a female Yankee what she thinks at that point in time, that is divine intervention. So I said, okay, I asked for divine intervention, so now I have to perform. I took a deep breath and I said, okay, I asked for divine intervention, so now I have to perform. I took a deep breath and I said brother Keith, in my opinion, the bushes are anointed by financial fraud, narcotics trafficking and pedophilia. And my cousin you should have seen my cousin's face she was like oh God. And my pastor was totally shocked and he said if that's the case, we're lost. I said don't be ridiculous. We have a governor, his name is God. We don't need the Bushes and the Clintons. People like the Bushes and the Clintons come and go. And I had this wonderful neighbor who was a big Democrat and hated the Bushes and she said, yeah, and I had this wonderful neighbor who was a big Democrat and hated the Bushes. And she said, yeah, and there's a saying in scripture where two or more gathered in my name, there am I.

Speaker 4: 1:07:58

But the accord between two of us it broke the trance and for about six months my cousin was sticking little yellow ribbons all over me. And then it came out that the National Security Council had known about planes flying in and had warned people. And what was interesting is, even though sort of I was persona non grata for doing that for a while, when that came out people were walking around and saying we weren't fooled here, and so it turned out to be a very positive thing. And so it turned out to be a very positive thing. But what you saw was the networking of every county, every community, every institution in New York in three buildings, and in Washington at the Pentagon, offices that had the most documentation on the $4 trillion missing were all blown up that building seven, but they don't want you to never forget the twin towers, but totally forget about building seven that just collapsed into controlled demolition all by itself right and two weeks later I was in washington.

Speaker 4: 1:09:15

I was in london at a conference and I'm driving around the city of london in this convertible jaguar with a bond trader from the city and the phone rings on his car speakerphone and he answers it and he says in a very British way and it's somebody from New York, it's a client from New York. And he says I'm so sorry about what has happened in New York. You must be traumatized. And the guy is saying don't be ridiculous, the Fed's pumping like crazy. We're making a fortune. It's the best thing that ever happened to us. And he went that's how the money works.

Speaker 1: 1:09:52

Yeah, so we promised you some fireworks. There's one. There's things that happen in this world that are official reality, crafty terrorists, and there's reality. We want to help you see the difference between the two. So all right. So since we're in sticky widgets, let's go ahead and keep it going. So, gwen, if you can pull up the next slide, I've got. So how many of you think the church has enemies? Anybody. You think there are people who might try to infiltrate? Water down, capture the church. Capture the church. Yeah, this is from 1859.

Speaker 1: 1:10:33

So this is a quote from the Alta Vendita about the intentional subversion of the Catholic Church. So I'll just read you this quote the Pope, whoever he may be, will never come to the secret societies. It is for the secret societies to come first to the church with the aim of winning the books, the church and the Pope. The work with which we have undertaken is not the work of a day, nor of a month, nor of a year. It may last many years, a century perhaps, but in our ranks the soldier dies and the fight continues. That's the Catholic church.

Speaker 1: 1:11:01

That was an intentional infiltration. There were two Popes that requested that this be divulged, so they could see that. But one thing I want to point out at this is that last line, a century perhaps, right, these are patient, gradualist thinkers. They are system-level thinkers and they're okay with slowly taking things over. They think really well, multiple decades out. All right, can you show me the next slide there, egon? So this would never happen in the Protestant church, right, there would never be infiltration or attempts to coerce or hire shepherds, right. So that book there in the middle, shepherds for Hire it's actually a bestseller right now, but it is the intentional agenda behind capturing clergy that you can see documented in that book. Do you want to make a comment on either of those two?

Speaker 4: 1:11:55

So I haven't read Shepherds for Sale. I've had people describe it. But you know I would say there is a very significant effort on all levels of the political spectrum to get the churches to support the central control agenda and there are thousands of different marketing strategies. And when I first started to study this level of control I couldn't believe it because I could never believe they would spend that much money. And when I finally unpacked the financial ramifications, what I discovered is you know, it is cheaper to engage in this kind of information, warfare and propaganda and mind control than in outright war. If you do outright war, people see it and oppose you.

Speaker 4: 1:12:48

But this is a way of sneaking up on everybody in thousands of different ways, and it's a huge job program, I mean from a contracting standpoint. They win a lot of political favors spending money doing this.

Speaker 1: 1:13:04

Yep. Okay, there's the third book up there. I don't know how many of you have seen or read that book, but what are the chances that somebody who thinks like a patient generational thinker who would work to capture things over a century might actually work to infiltrate and capture Christian eschatology if you don't know that word, that's a fancy word for study of the end times and to wrap into Christian theology a defeatist or pessimistic view of what historically had scant reference to or never was found in the history of the Christian church and to try to convince the American churches that we should just roll over because the one world government's inevitable. It's in the Bible. There's going to be this antichrist as a literal person, there's going to be this mark on your hand. So you might as well just let that wave just come, because it has to happen before we can actually have the second coming.

Speaker 1: 1:14:08

What if that was an intentional subversion of Christian eschatology? How would a first century Jewish person read the book of Revelation? I can promise you it's not how the Schofield Reference Bible would teach you to read the book of Revelation that was published in 1909. Would teach you to read the book of Revelation that was published in 1909. That book, and then the Moody Bible Institute, especially in the 60s, wrapped into Christian theology this pessimistic view that really hardly existed. You can find so many references to victorious, to optimistic eschatology. You could take it as a given that wait a minute. The church is the biggest religion in the world. We've grown more. We're actually on the path to fulfilling the Great Commission, or are we on the path to just this anemic limp like fine, I'll come back and fix it, yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:14:58

Okay. So I became a serious optimist in 1998. Tell me more. I've been an optimist since and I'll tell you why. So I created this company and we built databases to be able to map out the government money by place.

Speaker 4: 1:15:18

And as we did, I started to look at if we were free to redo investment bottom-up, one county at a time, 3,100 counties how much wealth could we create? So I had a group of people working for me. We had a program with MIT where we would hire people out of their PhD programs and train them how to do investment banking. And they were wicked smart, they were wonderful, wonderful. And there were kids from all around the world and we had this one guy from. He was a Chinese, he'd been at Tiananmen Square and then escaped China and come and go on to MIT, got his PhD, came to work for us. So I told him take the weekend and go.

Speaker 4: 1:15:59

If we were free to optimize the economy in this ways, how much wealth could we create? And he went off and he came back and he showed me the numbers. I said that's impossible, that's too big, that's impossible. You have to go back and do it again. You made a mistake. Anyway, he came back and he said I'm right. So I had to take the weekend and go study it and that's when I discovered. If you look at the cost of all the skimming and racketeering that is going on, it's amazing. We're as wealthy as we are on our souls, but on our money, the potential wealth. If we could simply engage in a civilized society without all this primitive financial behavior, it's unbelievable. There is no economic problem on this planet. We have a serious spiritual problem and we have a serious governance problem, but we don't have a financial and economic problem. And if you look at the wealth potential, you know I'm an investment banker. I get very excited about creating wealth.

Speaker 1: 1:17:11

And broaden the definition of wealth beyond money.

Speaker 4: 1:17:13

Right, the wealth, the wealth potential. You know, it does not have to be like this. It does not have to be like this. I can't tell you how much is being extracted. It's unbelievable. Yeah, and you know, if you're tired it's because we're carrying quite a load. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 4: 1:17:32

Yeah, okay, so tell them what you told me this morning about Netanyahu, about where he came from. So he knows I've been having quite a squabble with some of the candidates about their support of Gaza and what's going on in Gaza. But I grew up in Philadelphia, at 48th and Larchwood and that's West Philadelphia, and I went to a Quaker day school down in the center of the city and I used to date a lot of guys who'd go to Central High, which was sort of the big magnet public school, and a lot of those guys would date girls from Cheltenham High. Cheltenham High was out in the suburbs and the kids in Cheltenham were really spoiled. So I grew up in West Philly. We thought they were very spoiled.

Speaker 4: 1:18:21

So NetYahoo graduated from Cheltenham High in 1967. I was friend select 1968. And I always tell people I could tell you, never give a kid from Cheltenham High a nuclear arsenal because you're going to have a world of hurt and a world of trouble. So you know he's a Philly boy. He went to MIT for architecture, you know, and many, many of the people who started and run Israel are not in Israel, they're in LA, new York and London.

Speaker 1: 1:18:51

Yep, and the reason I wanted that and these books on the record is because if we as a church decide to just roll over and anything Israel does, it must be good because it's in the Bible. If I pull out a piece of paper out of my pocket and I make the shape of a dollar and I write $1 on it, does that mean it's actually $1? If I take a Star of David and slap it on a white flag, does that mean it's actually Israel? Does it mean it actually represents what we think of as the historical land or nation of Israel? Or might that be something that's not in the Bible but it was used against us to get us to potentially just roll over and excuse inexcusable behavior of harming and maiming kids?

Speaker 4: 1:19:39

So I'll let you take it so, but I do want to bring up because to me, the most important issue, because we do have a constitution, it still exists, it's very powerful and we still have a sovereign government.

Speaker 4: 1:19:54

Unfortunately, we have many people in the Congress and, I suspect, many people in this current administration, who are dual citizens.

Speaker 4: 1:20:04

They are not just Americans, they have passports many, I suspect to Israel. I did an interview with Cynthia McKinney used to be a congresswoman from the Atlanta area and she said the number one problem in Congress is the dual citizen passport group and they are loyal not to the sovereign interests of the United States but to this network. And many of those people again are in the United States who run, I believe, who run Israel, and this is a real problem. And one of the reasons it's a real problem is, if you look at that network, they are deeply involved in pushing for financial transaction control and if you're going to give them a get out of jail free card, on what they're doing in Israel and it's not just in Palestine. Netanyahu was very clear. He said we're going to turn Israel into a lab for Pfizer and he mandated the shot. It was very rough and he gave the private health care records of every Israeli to Pfizer for the experiment, which is a serial felon.

Speaker 4: 1:21:11

Right. So you know, if you look at what is happening, the genocide is not just in Palestine, it's in Israel too.

Speaker 1: 1:21:21

Yeah, the same guy that sold out his own people is also—.

Speaker 4: 1:21:26

Well, but Congress gave him 54 standing evictions.

Speaker 1: 1:21:31

So yeah, something—again, we're here to stretch your thinking, not tell you what to think and believe what makes sense to you, but we hope you can question everything. Everything and questioned it in a way that says maybe there's somebody who's trying to puppeteer me and who goes and hires shepherds and who warps eschatology and tries to tell us that what we think is going on isn't what's going on.

Speaker 4: 1:21:54

Well, here's what's interesting there are a couple of good people in Congress who've gotten extraordinary things done Senator Ron Johnson, congressman Massey, the congressman from Wyoming who got the NAC stopped. You know, you see, these amazing people who get amazing things done. It's amazing how much more they could get done if we just supported them. And so there are tremendous things that can happen if we start to support the people who are in there fighting. But we have to start saying we're not going to support the people doing the genocide, we are going to support the people who are trying to change things.

Speaker 1: 1:22:36

So there's some filters that you guys can use for attempting to discern what's true and what's not in these days and test that, see how that perspective holds up, see if there's something about it that might make some sense. And may we not be guilty of excusing behavior that Jesus would not be very happy with. The harshest words he had in the New Testament was for anybody that harms children. Do you remember that Better to have a millstone tied around your neck and thrown into the abyss than to lay a hand on kids? So, okay, we're going to start transitioning here a little bit to hopeful stuff, because I promised you that was coming. So you obviously saw this coming way earlier than I did, and you start when you recognize what was happening.

Speaker 4: 1:23:21

Well no, I was on the inside, I was one of the predators. Yeah, what was happening? Well no, I was on the inside, I was one of the predators.

Speaker 1: 1:23:25

Yeah Well, and that's your backbone. Your moral compass to tell you to get out of it led you to go say, where in the world would I like to plant some roots? And so you ended up in Hickory Valley, tennessee. So tell us, how is it like when you did your SWOT analysis strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threat when you did your research of where to go, how did you pick that and how do we become a place like that?

Speaker 4: 1:23:52

So I live most of the time in the Netherlands now, okay, okay, so I'm back and forth between the Netherlands and here. But what happened to me is and you can understand the decision if you read the Dylan Reed book, which is online Dylan Reed and the Aristocracy of Stock Profits I became convinced that they were implementing a plan to do the unipolar world, that the faction running Israel was very much a part of this plan it was the city of London and the US government and the Israelis and I thought their plan would fail. I was absolutely convinced that what they were doing was they were beginning to depopulate. So I described the genocide in poor neighborhoods.

Speaker 4: 1:24:42

I was convinced that if we let that genocide go, that ultimately it would work its way up, although I didn't appreciate how much, how fast that would be, and I thought that they, their plan was going to fail and I didn't want to be a part of it, and so my theory was I'm going to go out in the wilderness and see if I can come up with plan B.

Speaker 4: 1:25:03

So if they're going to do the going direct reset and the financial coup, I'm going to come up with plan B. So if they're going to do the going direct reset and the financial coup. I'm going to come up with the building wealth reset and I'm going to figure out okay, how could we re-engineer Because we do need a reset how could we re-engineer a reset that got us to a human civilization instead of this dystopian totalitarian thing, whatever it is? And I just felt they had become lost and they were going to fail. So I didn't want to be part of their failure and out I went, and part of it was I don't know if I ever told you the story when they asked me to join the Council on Foreign Relations.

Speaker 1: 1:25:40

No, I didn't know that.

Speaker 4: 1:25:42

It was really funny. I was on the board of Sallie Mae and the chairman was a lovely guy. He was an SNL chairman from Kentucky and he pulled out this brochure and he said the time has come for you to join the council. And he said we want you to ask Nick Brady, who had been the chairman of Dillon Reed, to sponsor you, which I didn't want to do. And I said, harry, I just don't want to do it. And he looked at me and said you don't, you don't understand. If you don't do this, you'll be out forever. And suddenly in my mind I had an image of them taking my name off of the locker in the underground base and I thought you know, if it comes to that, I'll take my chances upstairs. I do not want to be locked underground with all these people. So, and that was it, that was sort of the one of the moments of splitting off. So so we do need a reset.

Speaker 4: 1:26:31

It depends it really I believe it depends on the people of the church to figure that out and is immortal. You have to understand that. And if you understand that, you know why you adopt and implement values in a value-based culture, because culture is just the integration of the divine in everyday life. But the society that will endure is a society that has an excellent culture, and you have to have the right values and you have to know that your values are for a higher God and a higher purpose than just you know what makes you money today. So you know.

Speaker 4: 1:27:15

All of that was sort of clear and that's what I've been trying to do ever since, and I know it is possible. And one of the reasons it's possible is that this will not be decided by logic and this will not be decided by force. This will be decided by divine intervention. I don't know when it's going to happen. I don't know how it's going to happen, but we are called to do everything we can to serve that. It's the story of Gideon in the Bible, if you've read that, and we have to be Gideon's army and what will be will be. It's way out of our control, but there's no choice because if you look at what they're up to on the other side, that's not something you ever want to be a part of. You don't want to live in that. So there's no choice here.

Speaker 1: 1:28:03

Yeah, it's an inflection point there's. I can continue to live in line I think you said it with the machine or I can start to figure out and live in line with my values. And I can tell you it is a lot of work to disentangle from all of the ways you were stuck in the machine, but, gosh, it is worth the effort. It feels really good to use her phrase to stop doing business with criminals and to start doing business with people you know and trust and appreciate and love. So anything you want to add to that, we want to open it up for some Q and A.

Speaker 4: 1:28:39

What I will say is as soon as you're clear that you're dealing with a criminal system and they're moving towards enforcing with force, and you say okay, and you shift and you start doing exactly as you'd advised, suddenly life becomes much easier, much better. I call it coming clean. As you go through the coming clean process, life gets much, much better because you get the evil out of your space.

Speaker 1: 1:29:02

Okay, well, let me press you. This is probably one of the most difficult questions, but if we're coming clean, we're breaking up with big tech, we're breaking up with any system that has weaponized money against us. Yet the biggest check we write every year is to the criminal cartel. How is it that we begin breaking up with that and stop funding our own enslavement?

Speaker 4: 1:29:27

So I don't know, if you noticed, one of the magazines I brought was on taxation and that describes our proposal of what can be done. And that's where the state legislators and the state AGs come in, because under the Constitution, the power is not delegated to the federal government by the states, are reserved to the states, is not delegated to the federal government by the states, are reserved to the states, and the states and the state attorney generals have the power to act on our behalf to make sure our tax money is not spent illegally. Right now, the federal government is in massive violation of the financial management laws and the state AGs can act, including escrowing our taxes and helping to enforce, to make sure that the money is not spent illegally.

Speaker 1: 1:30:08

There you go. So what's the wrap-up that you talked about?

Speaker 4: 1:30:12

It's called taxation.

Speaker 1: 1:30:13

Okay.

Speaker 4: 1:30:14

So there are more copies still, I think in the other room.

Speaker 1: 1:30:17

Yep, okay. So does anybody here have a burning question you would like to ask? There's a microphone right up here. If you want to come up and grab it so other people can hear it.

Speaker 8: 1:30:35

Alright. Question Taxation. There's a few people in the sort of freedom movement who are talking about that taxation is actually federal, taxes are actually voluntary, and that before I don't know what year it was but before we started implementing tax we were fine, roads were made, everything was okay. So that was part one. Part two is big and small right. Part one, part two is big and small, right. Do you think that there is more susceptibility to evil as things get bigger? Because it seems like that's where things fall apart is when people get into high of a level of power or when the power spreads too far. And this model you're talking about, which is great, is about small. And is there kind of an inflection point of size where things get? You know where you? You know, if you were to build a formula around the success of our own set, which is good, what are the size parameters, if there are any?

Speaker 4: 1:31:36

Okay.

Speaker 4: 1:31:38

So, yes, the you know, if you look at the law, federal taxes should be voluntary, but if you look at people who try to litigate that or implement that, they're practical issues and, as a political matter, what I found is most people who pay their taxes resent people who don't pay their taxes and think they should get out, which is why I'm suggesting a political solution, because we need sovereign government At least we need it now and so when a sovereign state government and an attorney general act to hold the federal government accountable for breaking the law and do it to protect our taxes, you avoid the political problem of some people are paying and some aren't, and the people who are paying resent the people who aren't.

Speaker 4: 1:32:28

The thing that really drives that resentment is so many people more than 50% of the people within a community are dependent on checks from the federal government, so you need to come up with a way for people to put money in the pot and those people to be protected, and that's what an escrow under a state AG could do. Okay, so, so, cause you're trying to build a political solution, and because so many people are dependent on federal checks, you don't want to threaten them or pull their money. So that's number one. The second question was how big is it?

Speaker 1: 1:33:03

yet? How big can a local area?

Speaker 4: 1:33:04

get before so if you look at bottom-up local action, if you go out on the prairie, what we found was a town would grow to about 10,000 people and then they'd split. It's kind of like churches growing to a certain size and then splitting. So I really thought the smallest group for, you know, sort of major local investment and direct investment was about 10,000. But I've seen counties where you could go much higher because you had great infrastructure and leadership. So. But I would say you know you have 3,100 counties and it's going to be sort of anywhere from 10,000 to county level where you need to really do the reengineering of the economy, and that's where I would work. One of the things I would love to see is mesh networks combined with crypto that is community-based. Part of what could make crypto really powerful is community currency, crypto. But here's one of the greatest reforms I've ever heard and I say this because there's some fabulous homeschoolers in the audience, right, but who here knows who? Bill Binney is? Raise your hand.

Speaker 4: 1:34:25

Bill Binney was the top technical director at the NSA and he is smart as all get out. And he said to me so remember, he was the top technical director at the NSA. He said and they're the surveillance people. He said what could really make a difference is all the homeschoolers teach their kids how to do cryptography and encryption. And then we have local you know so mesh networks with community currencies and we have the kids constantly making new encryption systems and just spinning them around. Locally, he said it's driving them crazy, they can't deal with it, I like it. Locally, he said it's driving them crazy, they can't deal with it, I like it. And so all the homeschoolers teach your kids encryption, because that gives us the power to communicate financially or just communication locally and break through the surveillance. Right on.

Speaker 6: 1:35:24

Florida has a terrible plunder problem right now. In May of 2022, a new law was passed that, after the collapse of the condominium in Miami, they had city ordinances, and so what they did was they changed the law to all condominiums three stories and higher. They had to come under engineering review or architectural review, and then the reserves were only I don't think that there was a, I think it was like 10% was like the minimum or something, and then you had to go up to a hundred percent special assessment. There there are three different assessments the um or reserve special reserve and then the general reserve, and I don't know what the third one was. They're trying to force sales. They are. I mean, it's terrible. And on top of that, in December of 2022, all of our insurance laws changed All of the property insurance laws, all of the car insurance, all of the business insurance you know if you own a building. So all of the insurance changed. And so I'm a property insurance attorney, I'm a plaintiff, never worked defense, so I'm plaintiff. But what I'm seeing is now so many are uninsured.

Speaker 6: 1:37:00

When COVID happened, I heard that there was a group of lobbyists who went to Trump. Trump wanted to make sure that the businesses got money and then he got strong-armed by the lobbyists. Heard Don't know if that's true, but so what do we do? So very disappointed in our governor, very disappointed in our governor for our super majority Republican and I'm conservative. Okay, do we have an alternative? You're in finance. What is the solution for the plundering that's happening in Florida? Because it's affecting those more who came down here. They retired, they're on a fixed income and they are losing their properties and people are having to move out of the state and the plunder is real.

Speaker 4: 1:38:08

Right. So, and in fact there's something happening with the state parks that I've been trying to figure out, which may be right. There's something going on with the state parks that looks like it's okay. I don't. I'm I've been trying to figure out what's going on.

Speaker 4: 1:38:28

There is only one way I know to stop that, and it's one of the things that's helped stop some of that in Tennessee, and that is when you have a concerted group of conservatives in the state legislature who stop it at every turn and and you've got to get a critical mass of those people you know elected into the state legislature and understanding it and working on it. And you know we have a group in Tennessee that stopped a lot. They just stopped NACS. They helped to stop NACS this year. They helped stop this crazy conservation easement thing, and that's the only way I know to really stop it. Well, it certainly helps if you have media that can basically put transparency on the people doing it. I mean there's a lot that can be done by bringing transparency. A lot of these things are very complicated, they happen in the dark and they're given air cover by saying, oh, we're just trying to protect people from building falling down, but without a concerted group in the legislature who knows what they're doing. I don't know of a way to stop it.

Speaker 2: 1:39:52

So right now we are $35 trillion in debt. That means every man, woman, child owes $102,000. We're split evenly. What is the series of events that you think would happen if this continues and we don't solve the issue?

Speaker 4: 1:40:07

So that's a military question, believe it or not.

Speaker 4: 1:40:14

So I would like to point out that the Treasury could have just issued that money. We did not have to issue that as debt. So the Treasury and the Congress have the power to issue our money. We don't have to use debt to issue currency, so that $35 trillion is, in a sense, a fake debt trap. We never had to issue it as debt. So if there's $21 trillion missing from the federal government, we have two scams going on. One is $35 trillion of debt and the other is $21 trillion. One of the reasons you issue currency with the debt is if you want to do a lot of secret things, it helps to run speculative bubbles and balloon. It's a longer conversation than that.

Speaker 4: 1:41:03

The fundamental economic problem we face is this the American way of life was subsidized by the American intelligence communities, military and financial interests going around the world and extracting resources and labor cheap from the third world and the second world, and we were subsidized by that plunder. Now and if you want to understand the process, there's a wonderful video on my website Sir James Goldsmith came to the United States in 1994. He gave an interview to Charlie Rose. He was trying to talk America into not adopting and approving the World Trade Organization and he explained exactly what was going to happen with globalization. But basically what he said is the subsidy will go away to subsidize the Western population, at which point the Western population's economic footprint will be radically reduced. And that's what's going to happen. Instead of plundering the third world and the second world, they're going to plunder our world and reduce us to a much smaller, lower economic footprint. So the problem is not so much the debt. The problem is how they dramatically reduce the lifestyle of the G7 nations. That's the problem.

Speaker 1: 1:42:25

Okay, let's go maybe two more questions. We scheduled seven to nine so we may go a little over. Yeah, you guys both get one. You mentioned earlier the Council of Foreign Relations. Yeah, use the microphone.

Speaker 5: 1:42:40

You mentioned earlier the Council of Foreign Relations. We have the Bilderberg, we have the Illuminati, We've had Freemasonry, We've got the BIS, as you mentioned earlier. You know many people in this room might say well, Trump is going to be the savior, but we're talking about a new world order. So, like Biden is today, will he be another puppet? Which I think he probably will be, and you might be inclined to say that. What was very telling for me is when Robert Kennedy spoke yesterday along with Trump. They talked about food and autism and they talked about Ukraine, but no mention at all of the Middle East, Gaza. So maybe you'll allude to that.

Speaker 4: 1:43:27

So when Trump ran in 2016, he was basically saying you know, rather than continuing to plunder the world, let's rebuild America. So my perception was there are different factions and they do have different visions of how to adapt, and I prefer the Republican vision of how to adapt than the Democratic vision, clearly. So, um, you know. So Trump talked a good you know sort of game about making America great again and re-engineering the federal budget, and he did some things but not other things. And the reason he did some things and not other things is his hands are constrained by not just, you know, all the financial interests committed to centralization, but the extent to which the American support would not, the American population would not support real change. So you know, I told this story. I've told it twice today, the red button story. I won't tell it again. If you're interested, go to my website, put in red button story and you can see it. But essentially, you know, the American people have expressed their political desire for a free lunch again and again, and again, and our way of life has been subsidized and it's very difficult to get the population to move to a plan that would be economic, and part of it is you have so many special interests that are making money, for example, on poisoning kids, and that's why Bobby and Trump were talking about that. So it's hard to turn the aircraft carrier, not just with a special interest, but with the general population. Everybody's getting a check and everybody wants their check, so that's why it's so important we look at bottom up. The corruption is very bad and so many people are making money on the corruption. Now, my problem with Trump is, if you look at what he did when he was president, he delivered the worst shock yet that America has experienced by giving you know he let the central banks give Wall Street $5 trillion and then he helped shut down Main Street. He could have stopped that and then he helped shut down Main Street. He could have stopped that. Now I don't think he felt politically able to stop it because the media was so strong, but let's face it he funded $18 billion to the military to authorize a vaccination program which has killed and disabled millions of Americans. That was Trump.

Speaker 4: 1:46:23

So you know, if you want to give that, the question is, why did he do it? If you wanted to give that the most generous interpretation, what I would say he's in a system and he feels like he can't. You know he can't make the system turn if the system wants more central control. So and I'll be blunt, I think the people who are doing Gaza are very interested in financial transaction control, and I think the pressure on anybody who goes into that position but including Trump to get Trump to sell a digital ID through immigration you know, dealing with immigration or dealing with election fraud the pressure on him to get a digital ID by the central bankers will be fierce. Through immigration you know, dealing with immigration or dealing with election fraud the pressure on him to get a digital ID by the central bankers will be fierce. And the only way we can stop it is to push back hard.

Speaker 4: 1:47:15

And so it's not enough to just say you know the Republicans are going to solve the problem. They're not going to solve the problem. The system is too ingrained. If you look at what's been happening in the election, we're having a competition between candidates on who can please more billionaires. It's a competition of policies for billionaires. So to me it's always important to vote and there are incremental differences between the candidates. Clearly the Republican ticket, I think, is going to be preferable to the Democratic ticket.

Speaker 4: 1:47:52

At the same time, this can't be solved from Washington, because Washington everybody in Washington makes money from more centralization. They're deeply vested in centralization and to think that somebody like Trump can walk in and change that, I mean it was amazing that he got the Paris Agreement canceled and the WHO got us out of WHO and you know those were huge achievements and he took a lot of flack for doing that and it's probably one of the things that brought on the pandemic. So it's kind of a mixed answer, but I think it matters that the Republicans win. I don't think. I think we have to do everything to make sure that they don't lead us into financial transaction control.

Speaker 1: 1:48:42

All right, one more, and then I'll wrap us up.

Speaker 7: 1:48:54

Hi Hi. All right, one more and then I'll wrap us up. Hi hi, uh, good thing you stayed away from kissinger and the world, uh, cfr, yeah, and then I'm talking about the club of rome with that again, that was interesting as well. So, um, what I'm curious is, uh, you know, I can't remember the name of the law, but uh, where they made the distinction between what you were just talking about, legal tender and legal money in the 30s and then how UCC title isn't applicable back before, like 1938. We're in a system of implied consent. Now there's different variations, like some people out there talking about. You know, the QCIF, trust and all this, and there's this big stockpile of money. Some of it is BS. But also learning about trust law, common law, which is constitutional law, versus statute law, which is corporate law, why aren't you sharing or teaching on the private-public factors and the ability they had to backdoor in, to exit the system?

Speaker 4: 1:49:46

So the reason I've never invested a lot of time and money into any of those issues I spent a lot of time on common law just because common law came up a lot in my litigation with the federal government. I think common law is very powerful and very important, and I think common law is very powerful and very important. The reason I've never spent a lot of time on those systems is in my experience with the Department of Justice and with a lot of the different federal agencies. They don't obey the law, they don't respect the law and I can do let's say we say any of these systems where I can do those systems all day long, but I've seen how they play the game of enforcement and I don't think in my situation it will protect me or accomplish anything. It'll take a lot of my time and money and it won't accomplish anything for me. I believe the only way that we can push back against what is overwhelming, invisible weaponry and power is when we come together. In other words and I don't know how to come together under the Constitution, which is to me the most powerful document in the world after the Bible I don't know how to come together under the Constitution other than as a group, in transparency and embracing fully the law and embracing fully my responsibility to contribute to the general pot, especially when many people in the system depend on money out of that general pot, and so that has to be open and has to be transparent. I don't think there's a way out for me or any individual, and even if there is, under the law they won't respect it. So anyway, so I don't. I've always felt that it's not that those don't have merit to them, but it wasn't a good investment for my time, because I'm looking for something that will really work. Yeah, I'm looking for something that will really work. You know, I used to. One of my favorite quotes is from one of the presidents. He said nobody is as smart as all of us, and we are going to solve this with shared intelligence combined with divine intelligence, and that requires a certain openness, it requires a certain transparency, but it also requires embracing the Constitution and the common law. I think the common law is very powerful. So one of the things I want to do and you can read about it in taxation is I want to assert a common law right of offset for $21 trillion against the New York Fed member banks. Well, but let me just tell you a story.

Speaker 4: 1:52:32

And I settled the litigation and I got a huge settlement. I won the litigation and at that time the missing money was $14,000 per person Now it's $65,000, but it was $14,000 per person Now it's $65,000, but it was $14,000. And I got the money in and I was trying to pay all my debts and repay everybody who'd helped me and bonus out money to everybody who helped me. And I owed $14,000 on a credit card to a New York Fed member bank In fact, the bank that owns the largest percentage share in the New York Fed. And so I wrote them a letter and I said dear sirs, I owe you $14,000, but you owe me $14,000 as a taxpayer because there is whatever the number was $4 trillion missing from $14,000 per person and you, as depository for the US government has stolen $14,000 per person and US Depository for the US government has stolen $14,000 of my money.

Speaker 4: 1:53:29

So I'm asserting a common law right of offset. You owe me $14,000. I owe you $14,000. I'm asserting a common law right of offset against the $14,000 I owe you. Here is the name and mailing address and telephone number of my attorney. If you have a problem with this. I'm happy to negotiate or litigate. Just give her a call. Sincerely, yours, catherine Austin Fitz. They wrote off the credit card debt. I never heard a word. I'm sure they got me back on my credit score, but I didn't care.

Speaker 1: 1:54:03

There you go. We are not, excuse me, we are not powerless here, my new friend. So, um, dwayne, if you can switch to the last few slides I have, I just wanted to. I promised you guys to cast a little bit of vision too. And, um, if you guys have never heard of mutual aid societies, it is one of the most amazing things erased from our history. So if you were in the vip dinner, you heard me talk about this. But these, there were thousands. Mutual aid societies it is one of the most amazing things erased from our history. So if you were in the VIP dinner, you heard me talk about this. But there were thousands of these groups. Some of them had hundreds of thousands of members. One of them had 600,000 members. They could hire 2,000 doctors and they charged people a day's wage for a year's worth of benefits. These were immigrants. They were people who shared a similar plight, they had similar ethnicity and they built banks and hospitals and schools and sports, and on and on and on, because it was people of a shared vision coming together and saying you know what? We don't have to live with no safety net. We can have each other's back and we can build something special. And we can build something local.

Speaker 1: 1:55:06

That book that's on the screen, from Mutual Aid to the Welfare State, is how monopolists basically ruined and infiltrated and legislated these things out of existence. Most people I've talked to, some very, I consider, awake people who hadn't even heard of it, and when I mentioned it they said, oh, communism doesn't work Like. This is capitalism, this is a free market. These are people who came together and needed to do something to make sure that widows and orphans were taken care of, to make sure that people had insurance and they could have a doctor, and so on and so forth. So we have an opportunity in our area, with even just the people in this room, to be able to say you know what? We don't have to wait for the world to melt down and just go about our days hoping that this goes away and instead many hands make light loads. So I'm not looking for a lot of more things to do in my life, but I'm not going to sit on the sidelines and tell my kids that daddy was too lazy to stand up to this global tyranny, that I was not going to do everything I could to hand you a better generation, a better life than the one that you got, because I couldn't live with myself if I just rolled over for this one. So I will continue to fight and if I'm the locust-eating prophet in the wilderness and nobody wants to join me, I will keep doing this fight because they're worth it and I hope that you guys feel the sense for your kids, your grandkids and whoever comes after us.

Speaker 1: 1:56:49

We get to decide what world we leave them. We get to take models that have already been proven and say why could we not do that? There's no reason in the world we couldn't if we came together. So go ahead and switch to the next slide. So this is a vision that I had and ironically we're in vision church, so maybe I should take the slash out of there.

Speaker 1: 1:57:09

But the idea is simple not easy and there's a lot of complexity when you get into it. But the simplicity is the idea that a church could be a really good hub, because the church has a shared moral values, it has a physical location, it has a nonprofit status, they can fund ministries. There are so many things a church can do because it has a cross-section of people and skills and churches that are willing to serve as a hub for building local sovereignty, probably has a banker in it. It probably has elected officials. It probably has a sheriff in it. It probably has. Go through the list of the things we would need. Somebody in our congregations can solve almost all of the challenges, and I know people in different businesses who are all about sovereignty and they can't find enough customers because it's hard for us to change. Sometimes we don't want to push the big red button. We don't want to go through the uncomfortable year or two of what it would take to change that. Well, we can change that if we decide to come together. So that little hub or hub and spoke would have the church in the middle and would have, basically, in my idea, six different leaders and people that can work on local financial transaction sovereignty. So we're not enslaved to digital systems. We could have somebody working on a food hub. We could have somebody working on pick, the area where we are stuck, entangled in their systems, and we have the skills amongst us and so, especially if you are empty nester or retirement age, we could use your help.

Speaker 1: 1:58:39

I'm pulling my weight as much as I can. I'm an entrepreneur, with my wife and I homeschool six kids. She does most of the work, but I'm an entrepreneur with my wife and I homeschool six kids. She does most of the work, but it's still a lot of work and, gosh, we could use your hands in the fight. If you're going to go through your days, why not go through it doing something that has a legacy play to it? Why not roll up your sleeves and learn new things and do hard things and help establish a sovereignty hub? Things and help establish a sovereignty hub.

Speaker 1: 1:59:09

Hopefully, here we could be the lighthouse to demonstrate a model that's already been proven. Mutual Aid Society's already did it. We could do that too, if we decide you know what, it's worth it, and so my idea was maybe we get together once a quarter and talk about this. Maybe, if there's energy behind it, we find some leaders. Maybe we can even have an investor that pays somebody to have a salary to do some of this work that we could charge a simple day's wage for a year's worth of benefits and give people something so we can create wealth, not just money, but we can create health, vitality and spirituality and better food and all the systems that are possible.

Speaker 1: 1:59:43

I love your story about how much wealth could be generated if we took the suppression of our wealth away from us. The earth does not produce negligible resources. We could do so much if we just came together and did it. So that's my little soapbox, that's my little model, that's my little pitch to you. If you are interested in something like this, then go ahead and you can bring up the next slide. But in the back there's a place where you can just put your name down, what email, phone, what's your skills, you have any area of interest, and just remember that with God, all things are possible, right? So maybe once a quarter we get together, maybe we talk about what it would be like to have the individual hubs in this spoke and how frequently we need to do it, and what kind of amazing advisors exist in this world to help us steer around some of the potholes and not have to figure everything out for ourselves. So if that's an interesting vision to you guys, then let's keep talking.

Speaker 1: 2:00:41

Go ahead to the next slide, gwen, and if you want to get up to speed on what we talked about, read, watch, listen. Top three things that really helped me, or one of them's mine. But the book A History of Central Banking and the Enslavement of Mankind. The documentary Money or Monopoly, who Owns the World? And for people who just want to listen, I recorded a podcast which is my synthesis of what in the world is going on and how do we stop it. How do we come together. So those are some resources that have been helpful. Hopefully you found this conversation enlightening and helpful. Thank you, j. Thank you very much. Go ahead to the next one, bud.

Speaker 1: 2:01:21

So this is Catherine's website. It is such an advanced, deep well of information, as technical or as simplified. Just listening to her talk, I love it, cause I always pick up new phrases Like that's so much more clear than what I've been trying to say. So that's follow this woman, study what she has worked so many decades to package for us. This is a very unique human who has been through the ringer and was vindicated. When the freaking DOJ came after her, she won. That's really hard to do these days.

Speaker 1: 2:01:52

In case you haven't figured that out, that app we have an app on the Apple store. It's not out on Google yet. We're still kind of in the testing, just making sure we're the first people that we officially announce it to. So that is our app in the app store. We also have. You can go to healingunitedtoday in the footer. You can put your email in there and you could suggest that picture on the right there If you want to keep up with this. If you want, if you're on the the mailing list, when I talk about these things you will get notified and we will keep this conversation going. But please put your whether it's there or the form in the back.

Speaker 4: 2:02:32

Please put your name down, if you think you want to be part of it as an advertisement. I just have to say you've never seen six healthier children.

Speaker 1: 2:02:39

Yeah, we do know something about health. That is our shtick. I'm feeling the weight of putting this together and a lot of late nights and early mornings to do this, but, gosh, it's an honor to be in the room with you guys. Thank you for staying this long. I know Sunday night's like the worst night to get together, and yet you came. That was the only day I could get, so you can blame her if you don't like it, but we'll hopefully do it again. This will not be the last time I talk to Catherine, if I have anything to say about it. So thank you all for coming. It's been great spending time with you. If you want to keep in touch, then we will be here and we'll get it shut down shortly so that those of you who have kids at home can get to bed at a reasonable hour tonight. But thank you all for coming.