Do’s and Don’ts of Plumbing, With a Real Plumber!

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Today's Interview

Have you ever wondered what mysteries lurk in the plumbing behind your walls? For most people, as long as everything is moving along as it should, we give it almost no thought. It is only when a pipe springs a leak or the hot water heater breaks that we think about calling in the professionals to have a look.

Today was such a treat! We got to have our questions answered by a professional. Jeff was great fun to interview. He is so funny and makes it interesting to talk about something that can be kind of gross. He also gave us some great tips to keep our systems running smoothly for years to come.

Thanks to Jeff for joining us today!! We truly appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us and our listeners.

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Transcript

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Transcript

Ellyn (00:04.366)

Hi guys, today we have a real treat. We're going to be interviewing Lauren’s plummer. Don't wait, don't go, really really, this is going to be so much fun. Let's get right into it. Hi Jeff, tell us about yourself.

Jeff (00:17.78)

Hello. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I'm a plumber of 23 years. And I met Lauren actually through church. So s we were just friends with the family from then on. Thanks for having me on this.

Ellyn (00:35.086)

Of course, thanks for being on with us. I've been looking forward to this all week because I have some real plumbing questions. So I'm very interested in your answers.

Lauren (00:42.328)

Ha ha ha!

Jeff (00:47.655)

Well, that's great. I love the banter that I get with customers sometimes that they're like, well, we have you here. Can we ask you a couple questions? And some of them are weird. I'm like, these are my favorite conversations. So yeah.

Ellyn (00:58.766)

the

Ellyn (01:02.834)

 Raises hand shyly, that's me with my plumber too. It's just, you know, you've got a professional on hand and you got to ask the questions. So first, I hear you have a list of mostly do's and maybe a don't or two to share with us. Why don't we start there?

Jeff (01:07.26)

That's awesome, that's great.

Jeff (01:21.731)

Yeah, that's right. Okay. these are common questions or maybe common problems. And usually my response is to homeowners when it comes to plumbing.  the first one is kind of the biggest one. And that's remove your hose from your outside of your faucets before winter. So usually that causes a big issue with flooding basements and cracked pipes, frozen pipes. and the solution to it is super simple. It's just remove that outside hose from the outside faucet before the first freeze. So usually I say a good indicator of that is October. If you've got trick-or-treaters at your door, you gotta remove those hoses. That's about the first freeze, about that time.

Lauren (02:10.524)

I've definitely left them out there before.

Jeff (02:16.327)

Yeah, I even as a plumber, I've done it before to have gone, Ooh, it's getting cold. I break my own rules.

Ellyn (02:26.42)

We're pretty good about removing the hose, but where I live, I'm a little colder than you guys. the faucet, we didn't get quite all the water out of it last year, the year before, and I knew something wasn't right when water started coming out and over the..I can't think of my words. I was seeing water on the outside of our foundation where it shouldn't have been when I was running the hose for the first time. And so I got to go tell my husband that, yeah, that something bad was happening and he got to go investigate.

Lauren (03:02.552)

That's broken. 

Jeff (03:02.967)

Sometimes you don't even know people will go springtime don't know that the hose has been cracked or that outside faucets been cracked and they'll turn on the hose. They'll water the garden or wash the car for the first time and they'll have the water on for an hour and not realize that it's actually leaking in the basement.

Ellyn (03:29.79)

Mm-hmm. Not a fun time.

Jeff (03:33.755)

No, not a fun time and usually insurance gets involved and nobody likes dealing with, homeowners insurance and stuff. So yeah. So yeah, so number two. Now this is a big one just for service work. But those flushable wipes, I know they say flushable. And a lot of people like using them just to kind of clean up after bathroom use and stuff like that. Even though they say flushable on them, they are terrible for sewers and septic systems. So they just cause so many clogs. They don't break down. and a septic service to get that redone, especially with drain fields and clogs and stuff can be just thousands of dollars. So I would recommend throw thema way after, after they're used. 

Lauren (04:25.058)

Ugh.

Lauren (04:30.124)

Flushable wipes, not really flushable.

Jeff (04:30.955)

even though they say flushable. Nope, not flushable. So I think they only exist to keep guys like me in business. That's I think their purpose. So anyway, I think some septic guys might have like, I don't know, like secret stock in flushable wipes and they'll help keep them going. So yeah, so don't flush them, just throw them away.

Ellyn (04:31.239)

Hmm, yes.

Lauren (04:41.1)

Oh man.

Ellyn (04:44.693)

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Ellyn (05:01.294)

Good to know.

Jeff (05:02.371)

Yeah. So number three isn't maybe so much a don't, but maybe just a helpful tip. So it's a what we call the wax paper trick. And I learned this from a really old plumber. I kind of looked at him sideways when he recommended doing it, but it really works. The wax paper trick is if you have a brand new faucet or a trim plate for your showers and handlesis you can actually just take cookie sheet wax paper, like you would find just in the roll in your kitchen and wipe it all over your new fixtures and it helps them kind of maintain that shine for the length of the faucet. It almost waxes them. Water will bead right off of it. And a lot of times, the fixtures will get that calcium look on them from hard water. I don't know if you guys have seen that but it really just helps that calcification not to stick to those fixtures. So that's the cooking wax sheet paper trick.

Lauren (05:58.026)

Mm-hmm.

Ellyn (06:07.25)

Is this something you have to do again and again? Or just once?

Jeff (06:10.983)

Yeah, yeah, sometimes I mean, it's good to do it the first time you put it in because obviously that's the shiniest, that's the newest the faucets ever going to look. after cleaning it really makes the water bead off of it. So if you're not seeing water bead off your faucets, your fixtures, like, we've all got kids that kind of spit the toothpaste all over the faucet after they're done brushing, it really makes that stuff not stick to those. So

Ellyn (06:32.458)

Yeah.

Jeff (06:39.707)

Yeah, it's really a cool trick. I know. And the first time I heard it, I thought, what are you talking about? This old plumber is telling me that, telling our customer to rub wax paper all over his fixture. And I thought, this guy's kind of wacky. He's lost it. And sure enough, I did it one time and I thought, this is a great trick. This is awesome.

Ellyn (06:40.203)

never heard that.

Ellyn (07:01.177)

Good to know. I like that one. So I wonder, my fixtures are a little bit older. I wonder if it would work on an older fixture.

Jeff (07:02.441)

Yeah.

Jeff (07:11.203)

I don't know, it might bring back some of the shine if maybe a little bit of elbow grease on it. Yeah. So, wax sheet. Yeah, who knew? 

Lauren (00:10.066)

All right, so what was your number four for us, Jeff?

Jeff (00:14.552)

All right, number four was attach a hose to the bottom of your water heater. And this is just super easy maintenance that normally would have a plumber come out and charge you for a service call to do it, but it literally takes about five to 10 minutes to do. It's just attach a regular garden hose to the bottom of the water heater and put the other end into maybe your sump pump or just even take it outside and just let some water through that valve at the bottom of the water heater, just let it run for about five minutes and then turn it right back off. And what that's gonna do is just get rid of all that sediment that builds up in the bottom of the water heater. You're gonna get better performance and it's gonna create more volume for more water. So essentially you got more water to use for showers and stuff.

Ellyn (01:04.91)

So what if you've never done it? I mean, is that bad?

Lauren (01:04.978)

I'm gonna have to go and do that right after this.

Jeff (01:08.279)

So if you've never done it, there's probably a bunch of really good YouTube videos on people doing it and it might make you nervous, but if you can attach a garden hose to the side of your house, you can do this easy, easy maintenance. So yeah, it just involves just a regular garden hose.

Ellyn (01:30.285)

Would you say that it's something that even people on town water should do?

Jeff (01:36.397)

especially town water. Town water is full of calcium and fluoride and that kind of stuff really builds up on the inside of heaters. So like the internal elements and stuff like that we replace a lot and usually we can tell this is something that 90 % of people do not do. They just kind of think, oh well it's a water heater, it's maintenance free and when it starts to leak I'll replace it.

Ellyn (01:38.413)

Oh, really?

Jeff (02:02.933)

but you can really stretch the life of your water heater just by doing this one simple thing. You don't even need to do it every year, which they recommend doing it every six months, but I'm gonna tell you, you can really stretch it out just by doing it maybe even every other year. But yeah, every spring's probably a good time to do it.

Ellyn (02:24.263)

All right, I'm going to have my husband listen to this episode. He's going to be so happy.

Lauren (02:28.498)

I know! Such an exciting time!

Jeff (02:28.596)

Hahahaha

Ellyn (02:31.755)

Hehehehe

Jeff (02:34.652)

Yeah, so that's a super way just the water heaters are going up and up and up in price for replacement. it's a good way to stretch it out. they say appliances and water heaters, the saying is at 10 start again. And what that means is that 10 years that you've reached the life expectancy of your water heater. So they definitely don't build them like they used to. But I would have no problem. A lot of my customers are getting 15 plus years out of one water heater. So it's a good way to stretch that life out.

Ellyn (03:08.874)

All right. We'll do that.

Lauren (03:09.266)

Ten years, eh?

Jeff (03:11.493)

Yeah, at 10 start again. They say that's all they recommend your appliances and water heaters are good for. I know, gone are the days when we have 20, even 25 year old appliances, right?

Lauren (03:13.778)

Uh, oh.

Ellyn (03:16.938)

Hehehehehe

Lauren (03:24.178)

Well, it depends on who you are.

Ellyn (03:24.394)

Right, that's true.

Jeff (03:27.269)

Yeah.

Ellyn (03:28.169)

How old is your water heater, Lauren? 

Lauren (03:32.082)

Let's not talk about it.

Jeff (03:33.907)

Hahahaha

Lauren (03:37.682)

I remember when we moved into this house, I convinced my husband to leave behind our old dryer and go with the dryer that was in this house because it's one of those old ones that works so well and the maintenance on it is really easy and they last forever. They have the half life of uranium.

Jeff (03:38.087)

Alright.

Jeff (04:04.69)

That's right.

Lauren (04:06.098)

like yes it's old but it's good and it works every time you turn it on which is a real plus.

Ellyn (04:13.833)

and they get, the old ones get ridiculously hot and the new ones are somehow programmed not to do that anymore. I have thoughts about dryers and none of them are good.

Lauren (04:19.248)

Uh -huh.

Lauren (04:27.186)

It might burn down your house, but your clothes will be dry.

Jeff (04:30.385)

Well...

Ellyn (04:34.409)

That's right.

Jeff (04:37.68)

That's right. We're starting to sound like our parents now when we're like, Yeah, they don't build them like they used to.  like it is so true. True. All right. Well, last but certainly not least is everybody. A lot of people for toilet servicing love those blue drop in tablets in the back of the tank and those things are such a menace. They're made of bleach and bleach will corrode rubber components. So all the flush valve, the fill valve, I would say just do not use them. They just create so many problems for leaking, for toilet running. And that's kind of one of those bills that just gets sneaked in and you don't even notice that your water bill's rising. But that can definitely be a culprit of high water bills and repair costs is having those blue drop -in tablets in the back of the toilet. Everybody loves them, but they're no good. 

Ellyn (05:43.911)

And do they all have bleach in them? Yeah, we don't use them either. 

Lauren (05:45.17)

Well, not everybody.

Jeff (05:47.948)

Usually they do. Yeah, usually they do.  everybody thinks we have company coming over. I'll drop one of those blue tablets in and make the water look nice and blue and it smells clean. Stuff like that. I would recommend don't even use them. Don't waste your money. So you're basically buying yourself a set of problems. So just clean the toilet or use one of the ones that hangs on the side of the bowl.

Ellyn (06:09.176)

Good to know. Just clean your toilet.

Lauren (06:09.49)

Alright.

Jeff (06:16.527)

not in the back of the tank. In the bowl is fine, in the back of the tank no good.

Ellyn (06:22.534)

Okay.

Jeff (06:23.791)

So yeah, that's the last one I had for you.

Lauren (06:26.194)

Oh, okay, I guess that makes sense, because all the little parts are in the back.

Jeff (06:32.366)

That's right.  the ones that hang on the side are good. So there's after that, it just kind of flushes out to the sewer or septic system and you don't have any rubber components that it's passing. So it just kind of flows out.  that would be number four. So that's a big, big repair that I usually see. That's a big ticket item for us.

Ellyn (06:47.591)

Good to know.

Jeff (06:54.294)

you know, getting calls and people saying, Hey, our toilets running a lot. Any recommendations? I said, well, is it blue? And they say, yeah, oddly enough, the stopper is blue. I said, yeah, I know what's going on.

Lauren (07:01.778)

Hehehehe

Ellyn (07:06.885)

Hehehehehe

Lauren (07:09.426)

I'll be there in a minute.

Jeff (07:09.953)

Right, so I'll be there in a minute. Yep, and it usually takes me, it's not an expensive fix. It usually takes me maybe below 20 bucks in parts, but unfortunately, the plumber's gotta charge for their time and getting there and stuff like that. I never like to do that, but charge a whole service call for just 20 bucks in parts. it's an easy maintenance that you can do or a preventative that you can do.

Ellyn (07:37.063)

Good to know. So we have a few questions for you that we've prepared. So the first one is, is Draino and other drain clearing non -clogging sort of products, are those bad for your pipes?

Jeff (07:58.989)

So sometimes, the answer to that is sometimes. Drano, if you're on and maybe you don't even know what kind of piping they used in your home, usually Draino is okay in the modern home with PVC pipe. So if you go into your basement, look up and you see white drain lines, then you know Draino is probably okay to use.

Ellyn (08:02.694)

Okay.

Ellyn (08:17.51)

Mm -hmm.

Ellyn (08:24.646)

Okay.

Jeff (08:25.549)

Now, sometimes Drano will say septic safe or sewer safe. That's probably the Drano you're looking for. But in like an older home, I would probably not recommend it. I would recommend something maybe a little bit like baking soda or vinegar running that down. That usually works just the same, just as well. But just remember that all Dranos are not the same. So there is bathroom Drano and then there is kitchen Drano.

Ellyn (08:45.063)

Okay.

Jeff (08:54.925)

And a lot of people think that it's a one size fits all. But kitchen drain out is more for grease and bathroom drain out is more for hair. I don't know if you knew that.

Lauren (09:04.786)

I didn't. No, I did not know that.

Ellyn (09:04.967)

I didn't. learning all kinds of things today. So we actually do try and stay as natural as possible. So you perked my interest with the baking soda and vinegar. Tell us a little about that for like unclogging drains and like would it work on toilets too?

Jeff (09:33.163)

Sure, as much as I don't like flushing chemicals and,  putting those into the ground and stuff as well. Yeah. Baking soda vinegar is a really good cleaning agent. So some say it works better. Some say it doesn't work as well. But yeah, regular maintenance is always good to your pipes just to keep them free flowing, free of debris. It can save you with those service calls and having to call guys like me in your home. 

Lauren (10:01.938)

Alright.

Ellyn (10:02.183)

And I, I'm a big fan of boiling water for my shower, especially.  it does a pretty good job. you do have to get out a little elbow grease with your plunger. We have long haired girls here, so we, we deal with hair drain clogs in our shower. It's a menace. So we use a lot of boiling water to try and clear that out, but it is good to know that Drano.

Lauren (10:06.578)

Me too. I use that all the time.

Jeff (10:09.386)

Yeah?

Jeff (10:24.3)

Sure.

Jeff (10:29.516)

Yeah.

Ellyn (10:32.23)

is an acceptable solution for things. So I usually try to avoid it because I'm afraid it's bad for my pipes.

Jeff (10:38.06)

Yeah, it's okay. But yeah, just do your homework before you use it and see if it's the Drano that is actually helping it instead of just buying something that's not going to help and pouring it down the drain anyway. 

Lauren (10:52.336)

Mm -hmm.

Ellyn (10:52.55)

Okay.

Lauren (10:55.282)

Alright, next question. We, so I've talked to you about this before, Jeff, but then in the interim I talked to Ellen about it, the insurance that you can buy for your pipes leading out to the street. And for our listeners, I guess this isn't something that everyone everywhere can get because Ellen had never heard of it before. So I mean, maybe you can get it, Ellen, and you just don't know because they don't -

Jeff (11:10.42)

Mm -hmm.

Jeff (11:18.763)

Sure.

Ellyn (11:23.909)

Maybe I just don't know about it.

Lauren (11:25.37)

hassle you by mail as often as they do by me. But, so what do you think of that?

Ellyn (11:27.749)

You

Jeff (11:29.129)

Yeah.

Jeff (11:34.442)

So, yeah, so the insurance that you're talking about, like a lot of times we'll get pamphlets that are mailed that says you can be insured from cracking and freezing pipes and lines underground from the street all the way into your foundation. Now, normally, way back when I started in plumbing the water company was responsible for anything that came off the street all the way into your house. Now they say that that's your homeowner's insurance job is to cover that the pipe that goes from your foundation wall all the way out to the street where it connects the either into the supplier into the sewer. And so there's kind of that gray area that, well, am I covered? Am I not? Does my homeowner's insurance cover it? Does it not? Because it's all the way out into the street. So this extra insurance would just it tries to kind of bridge that gap in the gray area that you're covered. So it's usually, in our area, I think it's about $9 a month is what they would charge to cover that underground piping. So, and I've had a lot of people say, well, is it a good idea to get it? Is it a bad idea to get it? I guess my personal opinion is. Insurance, I really don't like dealing with insurance companies. I would rather handle just that's my personal preference. Some people would say no, just get insurance and it's great. I've had people that have been 100 % covered. I've had people that say, well, the insurance company wiggled out of the coverage because of some reason. And so sometimes you can have insurance and they'll say, well, we'll cover a portion of it or we'll cover a majority of it. But I guess my personal thing is if you're going to spend $9 a month on something and never use it, maybe the better option would be, and this is my personal option would be to, to just save the $9 a month, maybe in another account or just to save it. , $9 a month accures quickly so you can save it.

Lauren (13:43.45)

 I was thinking maybe it would be better to save like $20 a month for plumbing costs, including a new, for those of us who have a hot water heater that is 10 years or older, maybe it's time to start putting aside a little money for that.

Jeff (14:07.368)

Sure. Yeah. Yeah. So my personal thing is, well, okay, if I can accrue, you know, a fairly large, account just from saving $9 a month, and over the course of a couple years of never needing insurance, then I would probably rather do that rather than just say, here, I'm going to give $9 away a month, and I may never use this service. So that's, that's where I come out personally on it. But Is it a good idea? It might be right for your situation. It might not be. So just do your homework.

Ellyn (14:44.959)

Great. So my next question is kind of multi -stage, so I'm going to ask it in stages. What is involved in maintaining a septic system?

Jeff (15:00.135)

Okay. Maintaining septic system. So we have septic here at our house. And so once every three years, and again, this might just be here in our local area that I'm required to do this, but I'm required to pump it out every three years. And so what that involves is septic systems do not connect to public sewer. So you don't run it through any kind of sewer plan or any kind of cleaning station It dissipates water into the ground naturally, and it has a filtration system in the ground that filters out all the solids. And so what that does is it filters them out, and every three years about, I have to get mine maintenance, which means it pumps out and it gets washed and cleaned. And the guy that does ours actually takes a little pressure washer, and just kind of cleans the inside walls there of it and kind of pulls all that gunk out of there. And so maintaining it, that's pretty much all that's maintained. It's about 300 bucks per service. So every three years, that's a hundred dollars per year that it costs to maintenance my septic system. And yeah, that's pretty much all that's required of it. Of me to maintain and service it.

Ellyn (16:31.134)

Okay. There are big no -nos about things that you can put down the drain as opposed to it being on like town water.

Jeff (16:41.925)

Yeah, so the general rule of thumb there is about the same with public sewer versus septic. So the major difference is garbage disposals with septic service. it's not really great for septic to use to have a garbage disposal in your kitchen. So those food scraps and everything else that you would just put in the sink and, kind of hit the garbage disposal and it chops it up and goes down. It's really not great for your septic system. From what the research has said, that it kind of ruins that bacteria that gets rid of that, is a healthy bacteria to have in your septic system. So it gets rid of that. So that's the only difference. The general rule of thumb is just toilet paper gets flushed and just human waste. That's it. If you...

Ellyn (17:39.038)

Okay.

Jeff (17:40.099)

Flushing like feminine products or anything else, paper towels, those flushable wipes, they should really be thrown away. They should not be flushed. Yep.

Lauren (17:48.016)

Mm -hmm.

Ellyn (17:48.35)

Okay. Okay. And the last part of this question, I read somewhere, actually, this was just the other day. I read somewhere that people recommend, and it was on one of my natural groups on Facebook, that you should flush a packet of yeast every so often to feed the little beasties down there. Have you ever heard of this? I know.

Lauren (18:04.708)

Hippie -dippie.

Jeff (18:04.771)

Uh -huh.

Jeff (18:13.762)

I have, yeah. Yes, it sounds crazy, but yes, there is a culture that lives like a bacteria that lives inside of septic systems and supposedly they eat the waste that helps break it down. So I guess my brain wouldn't be a good one to pick for this. I haven't studied it much. I've heard about it.

Ellyn (18:27.654)

Uh huh.

Lauren (18:37.202)

Ha ha ha ha!

Jeff (18:41.09)

There's some people that say by flushing yeast and some people that say, no, I'm not going to waste my money and flush yeast. So I don't know.

Ellyn (18:47.39)

Okay, I've never heard of this before. It was like, really? It was...

Lauren (18:52.178)

That's gross. It's the same thing I feed my bread with.

Ellyn (18:57.374)

I know, right?

Jeff (19:00.546)

So I don't make a regular habit of flushing yeast or any cultured bacteria down my toilets to feed my septic system. I typically don't do that. And yeah, I haven't noticed a difference in my septic service and my septic guy hasn't told me that it makes a difference. So, I don't know. 

Lauren (19:13.562)

noted.

Ellyn (19:23.678)

Okay, good to know. All right, go ahead, Lauren.

Lauren (19:28.978)

And my last question is, what things do people put down their sink drain that they shouldn't?

Jeff (19:41.153)

that they shouldn't. Okay, well, maybe that's another one. Maybe that's another garbage disposal question. So yeah, garbage disposals are just supposed to be used for food scraps. And that's light food scraps. Some people treat their garbage disposal like it's a tree trimmer. And they'll just put whatever down there and creates a mass and clogs and breaks garbage disposal. So

Lauren (19:42.514)

Yeah.

Ellyn (19:59.518)

Yeah

Jeff (20:07.985)

Yeah, general, I guess, rule would be just, if it doesn't look like it should go down your drain, please don't put it down your drain. Just rinse your plate and then put it in the dishwasher or put it in the sink. 

Lauren (20:22.162)

Well, I meant things like, like I read a few years back that you should never let your beef, like, drain the fat drain into your sink. And I was just wondering if there were other things that you knew about like that, that things that people let go down their drain all the time that they just wouldn't think anything about.

Jeff (20:32.321)

Sure. Yeah, that's...

Jeff (20:42.273)

Yeah. Yeah, so like fat and oils and stuff like that, that is best not to keep out of your drain. That's best not to go down. So it can, it just kind of clogs things up and it's not good.  beef fat definitely shouldn't. Any kind of oil that should be thrown out or put into a can and then thrown out. And what's the other one that I pulled out the other way? Candle wax. Somebody tried to melt candle wax.

Lauren (20:57.618)

Right.

Jeff (21:12.161)

and put it in their sink thinking that it was a safe place for it to burn a candle and they clogged their pipes all up. But I could tell you story after story of things that we've augured out of sewer lines and just surprising things. So, but stuff that you would be like, I do not know how that got in here, but somehow it didn't. And I'm fishing it out with the auger machine. So, yeah.

Lauren (21:17.97)

Hmm.

Ellyn (21:29.15)

You

Ellyn (21:38.302)

I'm thinking little kids are a culprit of a lot of the things that end up, especially down the toilet. Like Barbie dolls and cars.

Jeff (21:45.151)

Oh, absolutely. Sure. Yeah, we've had a number of toys come back up and I augered a Phillies hat out one time and I thought, wow, this guy's not a Phillies fan. He tried to flush his hat down the toilet. But yeah, not exactly. Maybe it was. Yeah. So but not only little kids, we did a

Lauren (21:46.736)

Oh yeah.

Ellyn (22:01.79)

They had a bad season.

Jeff (22:12.19)

we're servicing a person's house right after a retirement party. And I augured out a set of dentures back the sewer and thought, how did dentures get down the whole way down the toilet? And yeah, I guess, I guess somebody was kind of embarrassed that they dropped them and they were going down the toilet. So they figured they'll just let them go. They'll get another set. And sure enough, it clogs, set of dentures. I wouldn't recommend putting them back in your mouth after they've been there.

Lauren (22:43.25)

Oh, man.

Jeff (22:45.95)

Yeah.

Lauren (22:50.674)

Well, thanks so much for joining us today, Jeff. This has been so much fun.

Jeff (22:50.91)

Yeah.

Jeff (22:56.414)

Oh my goodness, thank you. Yeah, thanks for having me.So well, thanks for having me guys.

Ellyn (22:58.577)

It really has. This has been great.

Lauren (23:06.286)

Alright, until next time!