Baby Care Hacks April

When you're a new parent, and everything is brand new, it can so overwhelming just keeping up with the day to day. Wouldn't it be nice to have someone to teach you all the little tips and tricks to baby care that will make your life so much easier. Well, look no further! With 6 kids between us, we've been around the block a few times. These hacks will make your life run more smoothly so you can enjoy more time with your precious new little person.

Do you have a baby care hack we missed? Drop us a comment on our website or on social media. Let's build community and help each other.

Have you heard the 10 things we love about having babies. We narrowed it down to 10 but it was hard. Listen to that HERE 10 things I love is part of a new series. Check back for more in this series.

Transcript

Recap

Make all the formula you'll need for the day in the morning and store it in the fridge.

Consider ditching the diaper bag and keeping a diaper and wipes in your purse or leaving a diaper changing station in the car.

Swaddling can help soothe babies and improve sleep.

Have multiple car seat bases to make it easier to transfer the car seat between cars.

Keep spare batteries on hand for toys and devices that require them.

Use hairbands or other methods to childproof cabinets and keep babies from opening them.

Always have spare clothes for both yourself and your baby.

Use baby carriers to keep your hands free and bond with your baby.

Store outgrown clothes in a labeled container for future use or donation.

Establish a schedule for your children to create predictability and structure.

Spend time outdoors with your baby to enjoy fresh air and nature.

Educate older kids about nursing and set boundaries to ensure the baby's safety.

Create a safe space for the baby where older siblings are not allowed to touch or disturb them.

Chapters

00:00 Making Formula in Advance

04:39 Ditching the Diaper Bag

08:02 The Benefits of Swaddling

12:11 Multiple Car Seat Bases

13:21 Stocking Up on Batteries

14:22 Childproofing Cabinets

19:05 Using Baby Carriers

21:21 Storing Outgrown Clothes

23:23 Establishing a Schedule

26:05 Spending Time Outdoors

29:05 Educating Older Kids About Nursing

31:25 Creating a Safe Space for the Baby

Music is by Oliver Massa. It is called Weekend Chores

Transcript

Ellyn (00:17.081)

Babies are such a game changer. Overnight, your entire life is turned on its head. And today we're gonna be discussing a few tips and tricks to make that whole transition a little bit easier. The first one is Lauren's, and this is absolutely brilliant. I only did this with my last one because my bigs are

Lauren (00:40.957)

Thank you.

Ellyn (00:45.725)

older than her kids, so I didn't do this. So go ahead, Lauren, share this one with us.

Lauren (00:50.626)

Take it away, Lauren.

Lauren (00:55.122)

I started making all my formula in the morning. So this is a double one. So if you are a formula feeder, make all the formula that you're going to need for the whole day, first thing in the morning. And I've seen this done two ways. And I like, I honestly like my way better, but either way, depending on your family, my way was to make it in a pitcher. I just made, I measured it out with a measuring cup and the scoop that the formula comes with, and I just mixed it up and put it in the fridge, but I've seen it done another way to where they make each individual bottle that they're gonna need all day long. The reason I didn't think that was the best idea was because I felt like you ended up throwing away formula a lot of the time because you can't, there's a limited amount of time that you're allowed to use it after they start drinking out of the bottle and if they don't drink it all especially when they're really little, I started with like an ounce in their bottle. And that was the other thing that was great about having a pitcher is the bottles only measure two, two ounces at a time. But if you want a little less than that, you can put in a little bit less according to what your baby wants or needs. Now I nursed and gave a bottle. So

my baby didn't need very much formula. They just needed a little bit to, you know, fill them up. But yeah, I definitely liked having a pitcher of formula.

Ellyn (02:56.213)

And this just makes life so much easier when the baby is absolutely screaming and you can make it happen so much faster. The only downside I would say to this is you have to store your formula in the fridge once it's made up. And so if your baby doesn't like cold formula, that heating back up process can, can take a little bit of time. how I got around this is I would keep a pan on the stove and stick my bottle in there, you know, heat the pan of water up, not quite boiling, stick my bottle in there. And you know, especially when they were really little, it was only a couple of ounces, it doesn't take very long for that heat transfer to warm up the formula for you, give it a good shake and it's ready to go for your baby. So this was such a good.

Lauren (03:48.63)

I personally never did that. I gave my baby cold formula and they were fine with it.

Ellyn (03:54.945)

did too except when it was really cold outside. When it was really cold outside I felt bad filling them up with cold liquid. So in the warmer months I definitely did too but when it was really, really cold I just felt like it was too cold for them, for my babies to drink. So I warmed it up a

Lauren (04:00.172)

Uh, yeah.

Lauren (04:24.245)

I had summer babies.

Ellyn (04:25.485)

But this just makes life of a mother so much easier. It is the best. I honestly think this is the best tip of the day. So, but don't stop listening because we do have a few others.

Lauren (04:34.07)

We started best, but you should listen for the rest.

Lauren (04:43.046)

This next one, It's for the mom that's ready to let go of the diaper bag. And I realized that if you've only got one of these things, kids that is, that letting go of a diaper bag at this juncture might seem a little insurmountable, but you can, you can totally do it and go back to living a diaper bag free existence and it's easy.

Ellyn (04:58.605)

people, little people.

Lauren (05:17.858)

Take it away, Ellen. Ha ha ha.

Ellyn (05:21.197)

Well, this is another of those that you can do it one of two ways. I think this first one is how Lauren did it. Keeping a diaper in a little ziplock bag with wipes in your purse. And that way you're all set for any diaper changes you have on the go. If you happen to be in the grocery store or whatever, you can just, you need to do a diaper change. You can just run into the restroom and take care of it there. The way that I did it, we did keep a diaper bag, but we left it in the car. And we had a, we had a diaper changing station in the back of our car when our, actually when all three of ours were little. We have a minivan and we just left a changing pad.

Lauren (06:03.422)

I did that too! Sorry.

Ellyn (06:17.609)

laid out in the back of the car for those on-the-go diaper changes that needed to happen. Especially when my big kids were little, I honestly didn't leave the house a whole lot because we lived in the middle of nowhere at that time. So we left the house. It was all of us leaving the house almost all the time. And so one of us would just take the child out of the car, change the diaper, and bring them back into wherever we were.

I mean, it was an easy thing to do if it's cold outside. We just got right in the back of the vehicle and did the diaper change so that they, you know, were staying warm enough. But that was an easy way to not have to haul a diaper bag around, but still have all those little necessities from the diaper bag easily reached. So that was how we did it. And you did it too.

Lauren (07:11.665)

I didn't keep a diaper bag not at the end so at the beginning i was the mom and as you um our audience i'm sure you guys know when you first have a baby you think you need all the things s i carried a purse i carried a diaper bag i carried all the things and yeah the more kids i had the less things i wanted to carry around because i was carrying them too so I actually nixed the diaper bag all together and I did keep a changing pad in the van, but instead of having a diaper bag, I just tucked diapers and wipes into the little elastic thingy on the back of the seat.

Ellyn (07:57.957)

Another very good idea.

Lauren (07:59.462)

and butt paste. Never left home without that stuff. Ha ha ha.

Ellyn (08:02.677)

You can't live without your butt paste. Our next one is, it seems like a no-brainer, but I feel like it's something that gets missed in parenting classes. Learn to swaddle. This is huge when you bring a baby home from the hospital. And I...

Lauren (08:25.822)

There's controversy around swaddling these days. Everyone's like, Oh, get that baby out of the swaddle. It's not, he doesn't want to be in there. It's like, clearly this is a person who has no babies currently. So that they can easily say that without having to worry about the screaming baby in the middle of a night.

Ellyn (08:29.983)

Is there?

Ellyn (08:36.429)

Whatever.

Ellyn (08:41.081)

Hehehe

Ellyn (08:47.969)

Right. And I have to give some credit to my husband. They were so snug and just they held him so tight. And he was just really, really good at it. All three of our kids loved his swaddle. So at least one parent should know how to swaddle really well. I'm a big believer in that. And with our last one, we had this awesome Velcro contraption. When you use a blanket to swaddle, like one of those little receiving blankets, eventually they figure out that if they push hard enough they can get out of it. No one was getting out of this Velcro thing. I don't think I could have gotten out of this Velcro thing. What's that?

Lauren (10:02.486)

I said that the hospital gave us one for the naysayers. 

Ellyn (10:40.129)

So if you're the kind of person who doesn't believe in swaddling, that's okay. Every parent can make these decisions for themselves. I found that swaddling really, really helped with my baby's jerk reflexes. All three of them had a really big jerk reflex and it would wake them up at night. So for us, swaddling was the answer, but all of my kids are out of the baby stage now.

Lauren (10:58.604)

Mm-hmm.

Lauren (11:09.278)

And some babies like it. Yeah. Some babies like it more than others. I found that two of mine really liked it and the other always wiggled out of it. So no matter what, even the Velcro one. 

Ellyn (11:28.534)

Uh huh.

Lauren (11:34.718)

Yeah, he didn't like it as much. I wish I could still wrap him up in one of those things when I put him to bed at night. But yeah, he'd definitely work a lot of it now.

Ellyn (11:42.477)

Right? Probably. So our next one is just a convenience for the parents. Get multiple bases for your car seat so that you can have one in each car. It is so much easier to just take your car seat in and out. And if you and your spouse are driving the kids around, it's just easier to have a base for your infant seat already preplaced in the car. And as your kids get a little bit older, we also believe in having a car seat in each car so that it's just, it's easier on your life. And it's easier to just put your kids in the car and go as opposed to moving around car seats. Car seats are the bane of my existence. I can't believe we haven't thought of a better way to do this yet, but we haven't.

Lauren (12:38.954)

It's safe! It's safe for baby! It is! And I don't know, I always felt like that was a man's job. Here, move this from over here to over there. That, that just seems like a man's job. So I don't really need to be involved. Yeah.

Ellyn (12:51.625)

It was. That it was at our house. It still is at our house where we still have a car seat.

Lauren (13:02.45)

 I like to keep extra batteries around. I actually put batteries on my, uh, Amazon prime subscribe and save list so that I didn't ever run out. 

Ellyn (13:02.791)

That's a boy job right there.

Ellyn (13:19.659)

Mm-hmm.

because those things always run out of batteries in the middle of the night. It never fails.

Lauren (13:26.558)

They do. Right when you need them. So that's for all your little, the rocking toys, the vibratey seats, all those little things. Many of them take batteries, although I will say I found a gem of a rocking thing that plugged in.

Ellyn (13:47.815)

Nice, I remember that.

Lauren (13:48.382)

It was amazing. I loved it.

Ellyn (13:52.235)

Yes.

Lauren (13:53.582)

Our next one is to use a hair band wrapped around two cabinet doorknobs to keep babies from opening them. Now, this doesn't work forever. Eventually they figure out, hey, I can just take this off. Then I have full access to this cabinet. But it takes them a while. Like, I would say at least to the point where you can be like, nope, you're not getting in there. That's not where you need to go and they'll kind of listen to you.

Lauren (14:26.174)

Kind of. Right. Yeah. But the hair tie trick does work. I mean, I don't know, I think my kids were... she was probably almost two by the time one of her siblings came along and pulled it off in front of her. And yeah. Ruin that.

Ellyn (14:26.393)

while you're watching.

Ellyn (14:47.205)

That was the end of that.

Lauren (14:50.262)

But you can also use something else. Um, like if you have cabinet doors that have a handle that attaches in two places, so it's not a knob. You can use a piece of string or a plastic bag. 

But you know, anything to hold those cabinets together, it doesn't have to be a child safety device. It can be many things that you have laying around your home. Like a clothes pin hooked to one side, and then on the other side, the little flappy things are around it. So yeah, that's another good example.

Ellyn (15:32.973)

I remember when we visited our parents when each of our kids were little and they have a stack of drawers in their house and we took wooden spoons and laced it through the drawers from top to bottom. And so the kids would try to open like the bottom drawer but the spoon was through the bottom and the middle drawer. So they couldn't get the bottom drawer open because the spoon was through two sets of drawers. So that was a good one for like a grandma and grandpa's house.

Lauren (16:01.704)

Mm-hmm.

Ellyn (16:01.913)

Grandma and Grandpa are never going to install those safety locks, but you can still find a way to keep the kids out of stuff like that. They had a cabinet that had two doors that went side, you know, just a regular cabinet, sorry, a regular cabinet with doors that was handles that went side to side and we stuck a spoon through those. I guess if your kids visit the grandparents a lot. Maybe they would install the safety locks, but I, we don't live so close to our parents. our visits were not as often as we would have liked them to be. So they, it would have been silly for them to install the locks. So that was our fix for a temporary problem. You know, the baby being the problem.

Lauren (16:58.656)

All right, our next one is to keep a whole change of clothes with you for yourself and your baby at all times. I actually just kept them in the car with my second child. He puked. Okay, spit up. Let's just say spit up. It sounds so much nicer.

Ellyn (17:12.719)

Mm-hmm.

Lauren (17:23.466)

all the time. It was kind of constant. Yeah. I brought him to the doctor and the doctor was like, well, he's still gaining weight and he still seems happy. Is he, you know, crying uncontrollably? And I was like, no. And he's like, this is, yep, he's still fallen within the realm of normal. But after he had a feeding, we held him like a grenade.

Ellyn (17:25.308)

And projectile vomit is what I would never mind. It was something.

Ellyn (17:48.377)

Can't you do something about it though?

Lauren (17:52.87)

until a certain amount of time had passed. But yeah, he just spit up really bad. And sometimes just sometimes they do that. And you know, it doesn't even have to be like that. Just you never know when a baby is going to spit up. So if you care about such things, keep a change of clothes in the car.

Ellyn (18:15.605)

 we had our homeschool co-op today, and I don't carry a change of clothes with me anymore, and I held someone else's baby so she could eat her lunch, and he spit up on me. Yeah. Now it's like, well, this is just, this is a badge of honor. I'm holding babies, and I never get to hold babies anymore. So it's fine, it's fine. She felt so bad.

Lauren (18:27.798)

rude could have at least spit up on his own mother

Lauren (18:41.262)

Ha ha ha!

Ellyn (18:44.037)

Ehh?

Lauren (18:45.014)

Most of that just wipes right off in the bathroom.

Ellyn (18:51.306)

Yeah, it's fine. Our next one is wear your baby. Baby carriers have come so, so far in the last 10 years. They are amazing now. When I have my big kids, it really isn't. With My big kids, the baby carriers, and I probably could have spent a lot more money and gotten something better, but

Lauren (19:05.026)

There's nothing better.

Ellyn (19:17.973)

The ones that I had for them were uncomfortable. The kid wasn't happy. I wasn't happy. The straps were really narrow, so they dug into your shoulders. They didn't have a nice hip strap so that you can carry the weight of the baby on your hips. I mean, they were just awful. But by the time my youngest came along, the carriers were just so nice. And it was worth its weight in gold. I took that thing everywhere.

and I wore her first on my front and then on my back for probably most of her, when we were out and about, most of her first year. Even at home. And it just, having two hands free is just huge and so worth it.

Lauren (19:56.938)

Yep, I did the same.

Lauren (20:05.555)

Mm-hmm. And they like it too. They like being with you wherever you go and it just makes them feel comforted and happy. So you don't have to sit there and listen to screaming while you're trying to go to the bathroom. Okay, now that's not a good example. I have never gone to the bathroom with a baby strapped to me, but you could.

Ellyn (20:09.41)

Yes.

Ellyn (20:16.526)

Mm-hmm.

Ellyn (20:26.997)

I have, yeah, I did. When we, when my youngest, when we were out and about, I absolutely did, and you can. I mean, they're higher than any parts you need for the bathroom. So yeah, it's perfectly possible.

Lauren (20:40.814)

Mm-hmm.

Lauren (20:47.174)

I used it all the time. I went on long walks, like I walked a dog with a baby strapped to my back. I always wore my youngest at the grocery store because she got fussy and unhappy in her car seat in the cart. And actually there was a time limit on the carrier too at the grocery store. I had to make it within 30 minutes I think. I remember timing her.

Ellyn (21:15.129)

Hehehe

Lauren (21:15.335)

She was a little annoyed much of the time.

Lauren (21:21.662)

Alright, our next one is to keep a large Rubbermaid tote in the bottom of your closet. When your child grows out of something, comes back through the laundry, gets put away, you pull it out of the closet and you're like, hey, I know this is too small. So you just throw it in the Rubbermaid in the bottom of the closet. Voila. It's clean. So you can sell it, save it.

Ellyn (21:42.489)

That's another really good one.

Lauren (21:48.298)

You can give it away, you can do whatever you want with it, but it's out of the way of whatever it is that you're doing in that very moment. And when they're little babies, this is invaluable because they grow out of their clothes like every other day.

Ellyn (22:10.169)

Very true. Yep. This that's a really good one. It is such a time saver too, because if you don't have something like this,  you end up putting too small stuff back away and it ends up filling up their drawer. And ask me how I know these things. Uh, and then you have to spend an hour or two hours going through and picking out the clothes that had gotten too small and, you know, saving the ones that still fit. And

Lauren (22:29.302)

How do you know these things?

Ellyn (22:40.733)

this is a much better thing to do than what I do.

Lauren (22:50.11)

Alright, so many times, and I've seen this happen to many people, you don't just get one of these things, you accidentally, or on purpose, get two, or three, or four, or five. What are we still talking about? Babies. Yep.

Ellyn (23:04.965)

She's talking about kids.

Lauren (23:10.178)

So what is different? So these ideas are for when you have more than one.

Ellyn (23:23.125)

And our first one is, as soon as you're able, put everyone on a schedule. Lauren should have done this, she's our scheduler, but I schedule too, but I'm not as regimented about who this Lauren is. But put your kids on a schedule. As much as you can. If you have a two week old infant, of course they're gonna schedule you, not the other way around.

Lauren (23:33.322)

You did it too!

Lauren (23:48.746)

Mm-hmm.

Ellyn (23:51.321)

by three or four months, they can go on at least a rough schedule, but be flexible. Of course, they'll allow you to schedule them for a week and then they'll be like, oh, I don't like to schedule anymore. Let's do something different. And then you'll have to adjust.

Lauren (24:08.122)

Yeah, yeah, babies change so fast. So the schedule's got to change a little bit too. But this comes in so handy when you've got one more than one kid, because you can figure out how to make their schedules match up so that it's easier for you.

Ellyn (24:16.075)

Uh-huh.

Ellyn (24:30.009)

Yep, definitely.

Lauren (24:31.266)

Feeding times at the same time, napping times at the same time, play times at the same time. You can make it happen. It just takes a little bit of Finagling.

Ellyn (24:41.493)

And it really is worth it because you'll be the best mom that you can be when you catch a little bit of break or when your schedule is predictable. If you're flying by the seat of your pants every second of the day, it doesn't make for calm parenting in my opinion. So if you can at least part of your day, put the kids on a schedule together.

Lauren (24:47.402)

Yes.

Lauren (24:59.63)

It's exhausting.

Ellyn (25:10.785)

where maybe they just take a morning nap at the same time. You know, maybe the afternoon nap doesn't line up anymore and that's okay. But if you can get 30 minutes to yourself in the morning because you got everybody to go to sleep at the same time,  it makes everything so much better and so much easier and more calm for you. and them.

Lauren (25:28.086)

Mm-hmm.

Lauren (25:32.919)

Mm-hmm.

Lauren (25:36.782)

try to get outside every day when they're little. When I had my first, and admittedly the easiest, she was the easiest child and it was easiest because there was only one of her, we went to the park every single day. She, um, she didn't get out of the stroller. We just walked down there. She was too little to do anything at this particular park. So We just walked down there and then came back and I tucked her in really good in this stroller and I think it did help a little bit of sun, a little bit of time outdoors, and I feel like this advice goes for ever. It's good from infants all the way up to 80 year olds. This is just good advice. Get outside. It's good for you.

Ellyn (26:31.653)

Mm-hmm. Yep. It's good for you, it's good for them. And I feel like kids who are raised in nature have a better grounded sense. And I mean, you can define that however you want to, but they're more curious, I think. They are more imaginative.

Lauren (26:54.423)

Mm-hmm.

I wouldn't really say in nature because I was walking down three city blocks. So, I mean, there were trees ish around, but it wasn't really in nature. Just to specify wherever you are. Exactly. It's outside.

Ellyn (27:12.881)

But you are, even in your own yard, that's nature. I mean, you can, a child sitting in a stroller is looking up at the trees and the sky. And so to them, yeah, I think it is nature, even if you aren't out in the middle of the woods. If you have access to the middle of the woods, go there. But if you don't, that's okay too. Go and just be outside.

Lauren (27:37.666)

So I saw this video on YouTube of, I want to say it was Denmark or Iceland or Greenland or someplace else really, really cold, where the people in daycares were letting babies take their naps outside. They put them in these little like screened rooms and they wrapped them up so they were just they weren't really wrapped it was like a little baby polar suit with a little baby head covering that was attached to the polar suit and they just stacked them all in there it almost looked like a kennel it didn't have like

Ellyn (28:14.917)

Yeah.

Lauren (28:27.926)

pretty outside stuff as Ellen described but they were in the fresh air and you know it shows the teacher walking back into the building past snow drifts. Yeah. I don't know if you need to go that far but...

Ellyn (28:33.989)

Mm-hmm.

Ellyn (28:41.025)

Interesting.

Lauren (28:51.17)

seems a little much. Alright, so the next one is one I had to do with my very youngest because my oldest were old enough to have some questions about nursing and what I was doing. And so my advice would be to let your kids know about nursing your baby because I'm not really one of those kind of moms that at my house is going to try and cover everything up. This is the comfort of my own home. I'm not covering up. So yeah, they got to see everything. And I don't know, I just feel like that's kind of natural. But it does require a little bit of explanation. So I talked to them before I brought the baby home from the hospital. And they I don't know, they just treated it like it was totally normal.

Ellyn (29:53.077)

And I think if mom treats it like it's a normal thing, then the kids are going to treat it like it's a normal thing too. It doesn't have to be, it shouldn't be something that is shameful or something to be hidden or anything because it isn't, you're feeding the baby. So I always,

I mean, I didn't get to nurse my youngest, of course. But with my older ones, I definitely prepared my son for what it was going to look like when my daughter came home. And he, like Lauren's kids, really just...

Lauren (30:37.599)

Yeah.

Ellyn (30:44.601)

It was no big deal. You know, this is just how you feed the baby. And I think if mom and dad treat it that way, then the kids are just gonna look at it as a normal part of having a new baby.

Lauren (30:58.446)

Totally. And finally, create a safe space for your baby from your older kids. So Ellen and I had a way different situation. I don't think she needed to do this, but I did because my older kids were only three and four when I brought my baby home. So

They needed to know that they shouldn't be touching her or, you know, poking her or trying to flip her out of her little thing that she was in so that they could get in. Um, well, I was like in the bathroom or blowing my nose or just not looking at them right then. So I had a.

Ellyn (31:40.387)

No

Lauren (31:50.266)

a safe space for the baby to be in that they weren't allowed to climb into and when she was there they weren't allowed to touch her. And like this isn't a you know my kid is bad or anything like that.

Lauren (32:09.779)

It's a, you know, you've got normal kids. If you tell them not to do something like, Hey honey, this is really, really important when the baby's in here, you never touch her. And I don't know. I've, I've found, especially when they were that age, they, they never did. They just didn't break that boundary. It was a boundary for them. So they just didn't do it. And that safe space went from a small pack and play to a large, like containment area in the middle of the living room that they had to walk around. And, and when I was there, they were allowed to climb in it with her. But when I wasn't, they were not. And it was just something that they always knew and understood. And.

Ellyn (32:27.702)

Okay.

Lauren (32:57.186)

In my opinion, this is a really good idea because bigger kids can have accidents They can even just trip and fall on the baby

Ellyn (33:01.305)

Mm-hmm.

Right. And I like the way you did it in that it was a physical and visual barrier that you just didn't set her like on the couch cushion before she could roll over, of course, and say, don't touch her here. It was something that they were physically separated from her. And so I think that's a really good idea when you have a baby

Lauren (33:14.976)

Yeah.

Lauren (33:27.694)

Mm-hmm.

Ellyn (33:34.229)

And really anybody under six or seven until they can, you know, really be able to be trusted with a little kid, with a baby. Um, I, it's, I feel like so important to create that space for your baby to be separate so that they are safe.

Lauren (33:44.77)

Yeah.

Lauren (33:54.842)

Yep. And as mom, you just can't be there 100% of the time. You can't. Sometimes you do need to go to the bathroom. Sometimes you need to change the laundry around, run outside and get the mail. Like these, there's just some things that can't wait until dad gets home or until someone else is around. So, yeah, this is a really good idea for your sanity, more than anything.

Ellyn (34:12.389)

Thank you.

Ellyn (34:20.525)

All right. Yep.

Lauren (34:25.718)

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