Flipping Mr. Rogers the Big Bird: Screen Time, Diversity & Childhood - (A·B·C·D) Podcast Episode 20

Do you remember the kid shows that captured your imagination and taught you valuable life lessons while growing up? Join us on this nostalgia-filled episode of ABCD as we revisit our favorite childhood TV shows, engage in a thrilling March Madness-style showdown to find the ultimate winner, and discuss the importance of representation and diversity in children's media! Along the way, we'll explore our experiences with commercials and product placement and how they shaped our choices as young viewers.

As American-born Desis, we also dive deep into the complexities of parenting and screen time, reflecting on how our own upbringing has influenced our perspectives on raising children. We'll discuss the ins and outs of regulating screen time and fostering creativity in children's entertainment, understanding that every parent's circumstances are different and should not be judged. Our debate covers iconic shows like Barney, Lamb Chop, Dragon Tales, and Reading Rainbow - which one will come out on top?

Lastly, we'll take a moment to appreciate Sesame Street's exceptional efforts in representation and diversity within their cast of characters, as well as the importance of this in children's television. Kal Penn's recent appearance on the show is just one example of the inclusive and groundbreaking work Sesame Street has been doing for years. Don't miss out on this heartwarming and thought-provoking discussion as we reminisce about the shows that shaped our childhoods and ponder their impact on future generations.

Transcript

Omar Najam: 0:11

My, oh, my, wow, my oh, my. Did you hear that I?

Sandeep Parikh: 0:16

Heard it, i felt it, i tasted it, i consumed it, i embodied it, i Explored it I. Came. I saw it conquered me.

Omar Najam: 0:30

Hello everyone, welcome to ABCD. Let me introduce my co-host Fresh from the coolest party in Los Angeles, which happened to take place in a preschool at San D Fari.

Sandeep Parikh: 0:49

It is true, and let me introduce my co-host, who was Who was Shorn like a sheep on the line of the WGA strike from a beautiful man named Anthony.

Omar Najam: 1:04

Yeah, that's my one request. Help me find a beard line. Anthony did Feels good.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:17

Was that? before we jump too far into it, look, was that like the most novel? because you've you've done. That was my first picketing experience. You've done several. Was that like? that to me, was surprising. I didn't expect there to be a barber Posted up on the corner of the Disney lot Yeah, okay, not what writers with with haircuts and beard trims.

Omar Najam: 1:40

No, there's like, like, like water, like water bottles you got water.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:52

Wow, that was unique. There wasn't like other stuff, like that other, these other, no, i think that's the like I said in our in our pre-show.

Omar Najam: 2:01

At the Star Trek Picket event There was like fans had sent like ice cream trucks and stuff. So there was like kind of a thing.

Sandeep Parikh: 2:08

They're just for arm and shimmer man, but like that was imagine dragons like that was like a big thing. Imagine dragon showed up. I'm gonna be honest if I did.

Omar Najam: 2:17

I wouldn't know. No shade whatsoever, wow Like yeah. I would be like like, if it's anyone who Like Sarah McLaughlin and Tom York, i'll recognize anyone after their hair.

Sandeep Parikh: 2:42

I would kill to see that do it. I'll tell you that, yeah, yeah, we do, and that show is ABCD.

Omar Najam: 2:52

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Sandeep Parikh: 3:05

Yeah, yeah, on top for today, we got our three things that we do. We got the chakra check-in, we'll talk about kid shows And there's a reason as a reason spoil alert because of the day see the week but You know there was a cool thing that went down on Sesame Street and so we're gonna talk about That.

Sandeep Parikh: 3:26

and then what we grew up watching and what and I got a kid now, so I'm gonna talk about that and like, maybe representation as a part of it as well, yeah, and then, second, we're gonna do we're gonna do like, like, like a, like a tournament to the death of Kid shows. So we, we pulled our F and funny audience online to whittle down the list, like a sort of a March Madness Tournament style list, of the 16 top kid shows and we're gonna put them head-to-head and whittle it down And then the audience is gonna vote. The live audience that we're listening, that's listening right now, is gonna vote on what is the best kid show of all time. And we're talking like pre-k, like little kid. Yeah, then the day see the week. Well, that's how we'll wrap up our show, it's perfect, perfect, perfect.

Omar Najam: 4:18

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Delvan Neville: 4:44

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Omar Najam: 4:52

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Delvan Neville: 4:57

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Omar Najam: 5:01

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Sandeep Parikh: 5:12

You can't hold on. You have to have a coffee shop name. Oh, here's the thing everyone has.

Omar Najam: 5:19

I'm not gonna deal with this. We'll get back into telling you about how you can join the mailing list for day, see quest. But really quick, i just want to be clear. A lot of you have, like I'm not gonna let you all claim more cultural capital than me Because my name is easier to write on a coffee cup. I'm, i'm joining in on this. This is a.

Sandeep Parikh: 5:35

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Omar Najam: 5:42

Okay, if I was an Indian guy, born Robert, i am using a different name. I want to be a part of this just want to feel the pain.

Sandeep Parikh: 5:48

Oh, that's beautiful. Thank you, it's very cool, that's very like in solidarity, that's.

Omar Najam: 5:53

That's really that story got me into the UC system. That was my personal.

Sandeep Parikh: 5:58

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Omar Najam: 6:21

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Omar Najam: 7:30

Well, that leads us into the show. So let's head over to our chucker. Check it Every time, every, every, every time it just it gives me diarrhea. Today we're talking about children shows, pre-k shows.

Sandeep Parikh: 7:49

Yeah, yeah.

Omar Najam: 7:51

So let me, let me kick off this, this question, with this question What, what was your relationship with TV growing up personally?

Sandeep Parikh: 8:00

Yeah, um, listen, i got two older brothers, so you know, any sort of efforts to like curb watching television were We're in vain. They Wanted to watch television and my parents were. You know, they were like, yeah, we're good. Well, third kid, yeah we're good, right, like they're like we don't have to kind of do much oversight here, so this sort of let it happen. I watched a lot of, watched a lot. I watched anything and everything. Lot of Sesame Street, lot of reading Rainbow, you know good. So generally like good stuff, but also like totally watch the soaps with my mom, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Um, for whatever reason, i have a really specific. Okay, i have the weird dude, i have the weirdest like Like a sensory association, mm-hmm, you know how. Like, you know, if you like Smell something and then it reminds you of you know, oh, that time that you whatever.

Sandeep Parikh: 9:05

Yeah, the old factory recall like it brings you back to a specific place or something like yeah, the ratatouille moment Yeah. Yeah, i have an audio cue that is so random. It is the specific sound of my So weird. This is a specific sound of my toilet flushing at home. Okay, and for whatever reason, the price is right. Music like yeah, like, immediately plays in my brain. So if I flush the toilet.

Sandeep Parikh: 9:34

Whatever the acoustic thing is that's going on in my like childhood home. I hear Right on top of that Like it's so strange, it's just so strange. So my point is that we watched a lot of prices, right Clearly, i guess, when I had to go potty. I guess, like I don't know why.

Omar Najam: 10:02

Yeah, case for that Yeah case.

Sandeep Parikh: 10:05

So yeah, suffice it to say There was a lot of TV going on and I don't think there were very many, i mean like they were like obvious. You know we weren't watching like I Don't know cops. I'm like as a four-year-old right, yeah, or anything like that. So, but yeah, oh, tv was pretty well unregulated for me. How about you, omar? What was your TV watching experience growing up?

Omar Najam: 10:31

Um, it was interesting because we at my house we weren't allowed to watch the prices right until we heard from your house The toilet flushing, and so we had to wait and that was you waited for the toilet to flush in my house. Yeah, in order for us to wrap up the price right. I, we were raised as PBS kids. My mom had like a real big thing about like no Simpsons, no, nothing like that, while we were really young. Yeah, and so a lot of Arthur, a lot of men.

Sandeep Parikh: 11:03

Those rules, just as they had those rules and then just immediately caved on them. That makes sense. They just that makes me like gave up.

Delvan Neville: 11:10

I.

Sandeep Parikh: 11:11

Parents. They stuck with it. They were like hey, absolutely like well.

Omar Najam: 11:15

I was the oldest right so they had that energy. When it got to my youngest sibling, the one who works at the cafe, they were just like oh, you're watching octopus, he sure I.

Delvan Neville: 11:25

I don't care Yeah.

Omar Najam: 11:27

Yeah, so it was. Yeah, it got. It got relaxed as time went on, but in the beginning definitely was pretty stringent. We could only watch certain things. And here's the thing they had just come over from England So they didn't know a lot of American television, so we would watch British animated shows or nature documentaries on a tape player, on a VHS player that was imported over from England to play British VHS tapes because an.

Omar Najam: 11:55

American player wouldn't do it. So I remember that. I remember everything looking very Different because we didn't combine the pal NTSC stuff. This is so video nerdy, but we the way did. Television didn't get combined until I don't know doctor who, season five.

Sandeep Parikh: 12:16

Yeah, so you had a pretty healthy diet of television viewing growing up.

Delvan Neville: 12:22

Yeah.

Sandeep Parikh: 12:22

I think so it is for me, at least for now, for my kid, if I can get into that a little bit. Yeah, we have a very strict no-screen policy.

Sandeep Parikh: 12:33

No screens at all Yeah, no screens at all, yeah, so Yeah, we do. We, we are hard core, pretty hardcore about it. We just sort of like as my friend Kyle Kanane says about in one of his jokes. He's like we just, you just kind of educate yourself. You ever educate yourself in a corner into a corner. We sort of we sort of educated ourselves into a corner about this, because It is so hard for me, because I want to be watching shows with my kid. I want to be watching, but I want to be watching sports with him.

Sandeep Parikh: 13:06

And then we just, we just read too much about the sort of Like kind of what it does to the creative brain of a child at an early age that we just You know it's like we don't really need it, so We just don't, we just don't right we just avoid it and feel like, well, it's at some point he will.

Sandeep Parikh: 13:28

He'll have plenty of time for the MCU and he'll plenty of time for Star Wars and plenty of time to obsess about the how terrible the Celtics have collapsed recently. And you know It just doesn't have to be when he's three or four. So we're just holding off because you know There's that thing. You know there's that thing where you see the kids on their iPads at the Everybody's heard this bit before, but you know, and they're so like just Late, they're like in a different universe, sucked in like zombified. I'm just like I don't think that's how a kid's, i Don't think that's how a six-year-old should be Living our life right now.

Omar Najam: 14:08

Okay, just right.

Sandeep Parikh: 14:09

They should be moving their bodies and and I think that's what they wanted to be doing. But when they get so overstimulated by By screens, it sort of takes away Where developmentally they are at. Which is and where they learn best is by, like, literally moving their bodies. And sensory exploration and mimicry and and and all that and like all all television really does is sort of Pull you away from that, which is a really funny thing for a guy to be saying who's written for Nickelodeon shows, but that's kind of yeah, that's kind of that's kind of rat so, so let's say that, like someone is watching, because you're saying that you know, i think you, you know, work in a space that writes for children, and so many of my best friends here in Los Angeles work on shows like being Perina and Really Jones and stuff like that.

Omar Najam: 15:11

So let me ask you let's talk about this really quick, like you know, for those who do allow their children to watch television and want their children to watch television, what sort of With the spirit of the chucker check-in, what do you want in those episodes? What do you want in your, like the episode of bluey that you know your son might watch at some point?

Sandeep Parikh: 15:33

Um, man, that's a great question, i think. I think, if it's somehow interactive and, um, i guess listen, i don't know, i'm not one to memorize all the science behind it, but I do know that, like like Mr Rogers, for example, is is is actually pretty, pretty ahead of its time in terms of how it does align with, like, the latest science on on childhood development and then like like how their brains sort of interpolate information And so it's like slow enough paced. It's very real and like it's not cartoonish at all Really right.

Sandeep Parikh: 16:16

It's like puppets and stuff like that And he like slowly moves, you know you into the world and just like the pacing the dialogue, there's a lot of like interesting questions that they ask each other There. there there are like talking about emotions and how things feel, like there's a lot of stuff about that show that is like sort of developmentally appropriate for kids. It's not fast cutting, it's not overstimulating.

Sandeep Parikh: 16:40

I see, I see Like and so like I mean there's even a school of thought and we don't go this far, but there's like a school of thought which is like hardcore Waldorfian, that's like you know that you don't even show, like you don't show your kid cartoon versions of like tigers and stuff like that, because they're when they're very young, because they like can't distinguish, like the whole thing is like trying to distinguish like reality and how they are separate from the universe. So if you start showing them a bunch of like fake versions of it, they can't tell what's real and what's fake. So if you show them like a talking lion, they kind of like for a while or like, yeah, lions talk, they don't like you know I don't understand that.

Sandeep Parikh: 17:17

you're like making a character out of it or whatever, And so like there are some people that are like, oh, we only like there are picture books that are only like actual photography of lines and kids that are just actual photography, and so that tends to be better, which is like why I think that the first thing that will probably end up showing him is a lot of like kind of nature documentaries, planet Earth and like kind of stuff like that, so he sees like real life things as opposed to sort of characterizations of them. But here's also what I want to say, which is I judge absolutely nobody for what they do with their children.

Sandeep Parikh: 17:54

Our circumstances are totally different and specific to us, And I know some people like, whatever you need to do to survive um toddler hood I am, I will never judge you for it really, I mean, aside from like hitting your kid or whatever, like really terrible, but like in general, if you're like going to take a few shortcuts because you are out of gas and you just need a break, like the zero judgment for me, To me it's like just airing on the side of if you have the option to you know, not in the moment then like, and you can muster the energy to engage with your kid instead, then like, go for it. But like, yeah, if you need it for your own sanity, the most important thing is that you're a sane, healthy parent, which is already so hard to be. So, um, yeah, Yeah, I'm not, uh, not going to um, come down on anybody for doing what they need to do.

Delvan Neville: 18:48

All right, I don't know.

Sandeep Parikh: 18:49

Listen, that's my. We're just we're doing it this way. Who knows, maybe there'll be a second kid someday and we'll be like. I remember those crazy days where we tried to not get them to watch shows Yeah who cares? We don't care anymore, so this is where we're at. But um, yeah, yeah, um, it's too bad, because I know the content's really good. I know Bluey's like a great show, yeah.

Sandeep Parikh: 19:09

Like I've watched a couple of episodes with like friends, kids or whatever, and I'm like these are, this is good stuff, like this is stuff that I would love to watch, but we just kind of avoid it for us, yeah.

Omar Najam: 19:20

Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, as long as you're you know, as long as those lessons are getting imparted from somewhere. Uh, that's, that's the thing. Um, so that's.

Sandeep Parikh: 19:30

Neat Like. I definitely won't buy into that. Like the lessons that they get from those places are like better or than any lessons that you'd be able to personally. They will always learn better from you. You know in real life human beings that they engage with and interact with. Yes, it will stick better, exactly Than a than a TV show. But yeah, is it better than? um? yeah, letting them binge watch Barry? Yeah, definitely.

Omar Najam: 20:02

I mean you know Barry's a really good show. My kid um is a uh is is currently in an acting program. Uh, two year olds doing Meisner. So it is. you know I uh for them. it's very relatable content. Also, isn't assassin Red Banshee's in chat My son puts a timer on all screen time.

Sandeep Parikh: 20:23

Yeah, so, like, listen, they're. Like I said, you gotta, you gotta do what you gotta do And I think that's right. Like you know, um, if you're going to do screen time, that you you regulate it well and don't let them get lost in it, like treat it like you would sugar. You know it's like you know what the meeting that sometimes food, Um, so, do what's right for you, for your family, just, uh, maybe don't read some of these books that I read recently And educate yourself in the corner. Um, all right, should we? uh, well, how was I mean? do we? do we? I did, i feel like I didn't need, i, i didn't know the gardening about this. I watched Bleely earlier today while taking a nap.

Omar Najam: 21:06

You know like it's like for me. it's my inputs only only goes so far, lovely. Uh yeah, i know it just feels hypocritical to me too.

Sandeep Parikh: 21:14

Cause I'm like I totally will zone out and watch three hours of it, of whatever, Of Ted Lasso, Yeah, Um, yeah, So yeah, But you know I was also raised on a diet of TV. So yeah, And I think I, I I've learned a lot of my own stuff. Like I, I definitely I've learned a lot of things. I, I definitely use media to self-regulate.

Omar Najam: 21:32

Yeah, yeah. I will say this almost all of my references that I make for things are like TV related. So if I did have a kid, i would love for them to not be limited. I would love for them to have a philosophy that's outside of, like the show gargoyles, for example.

Sandeep Parikh: 21:52

Like I think that, that.

Sandeep Parikh: 21:53

Like man. Yeah, i don't want to get too suboxy about it, but I guess that's the podcast Fuck it. Um, like, it does literally like. So, instead of inventing in their own head what they think something looks like or is or has attributes of like they're, they start to get cornered into like well, they've seen this other version of it's so overwhelmed, it's so like, it's so impressive, they're so impressionable and it's so easily imprinted into their brain of like okay, so then everything looks like a transformer. Um, instead of like whatever wildly imaginative thing that they would come up with in the moment.

Sandeep Parikh: 22:26

And I will say that like and I think you know all kids are very imaginative, i'm sure, but I do think that, like, i try to like pretty much, yes, and everything that might like every story or idea that my son has when he's in play mode. You know, like not, yeah, not like when he's trying to get out of brushing his teeth or whatever, but like you know, when he were in play mode, i want to like, just be where he is and, yes, and like, i just see him going to these like creative spaces that I think are so cool And I don't want to squelch that or or or confine that like he has an idea of what Spider-Man is only because he's heard from it at school and it's his own idea of it, right.

Delvan Neville: 23:06

And it's kind of great.

Sandeep Parikh: 23:06

It's kind of amazing. Um, he's never seen anything other than what he's referenced, so he just sort of like adds his own imagination to it in a really cool way. Like to him, spider-man doesn't hurt any bad guys. That's great. He, if he uses his web shooter and sticks them, it's because he wants to talk to them, right, right And help them figure out what they're doing is bad. And he's three. I'm like that's so cool. That's so much cooler than than you know him seeing superheroes beat people up.

Omar Najam: 23:43

Yeah, yeah, that does make a lot of sense. I remember watching into the Spider-Verse and being like God, this is so cool, god, this is a masterpiece. And then I was rewatching Infinity War and Tony Stark and Steven Strange was yelling at each other for no reason And it's just like. I went from like Hey, i love you, let's work together, man, to just like your Tony Stark, you're a dick. Well, you know what? Steven Strange, you're a dick And I was just like man.

Omar Najam: 24:09

These are real conflicting ways of interaction that we're offering up to like the youth Totally Yeah.

Sandeep Parikh: 24:20

I just saw this like little. there was like this like little one minute video that went viral of these kids at a birthday party and they're watching you know, presumably adults or whatever teenagers who work the party dressed as Batman and Iron Man, which is already funny and like disturbing because it's like you're crossing universes, like what. Yeah, That's fine, But they were like like arresting fan, like obviously they had this whole play, like acting thing they were doing for a bunch of little kids and they were arresting Thanos and had like pinned him to the ground and like had you know, Batman had his like hands behind his back and this little kid just like runs up and starts it Curb stomping.

Sandeep Parikh: 25:07

Thanos and then, like all the kids start piling on and start beating up this poor guy And like and like, the parents are running and be like, no, no no Yeah. And I'm just like like I see how that is hilarious.

Omar Najam: 25:22

Yeah.

Sandeep Parikh: 25:23

Absolutely. I would pre-kid would have totally retweeted that. And then like, but then I think about my son doing that. I'm like, yeah, that's exactly what I don't want. I don't want him just being like, like watching something that like riles up this idea of like oh, I'm going to kick the crap out of somebody as a means to solve a problem. Yeah, it, just so. It was more like half of my brain was laughing hysterically And the other half of my brain was like this is horrifying.

Omar Najam: 25:56

Right, this is the thing we want to avoid.

Sandeep Parikh: 25:58

Yeah, yeah.

Omar Najam: 26:00

Yeah, i think that. yeah, like, like, teaching people to just like fight unnecessarily is not great. I think teaching people to compete unnecessarily for amusement is not great. That said, we can transition to our next segment, where we are going to have these shows fight and compete for our affections. Oh yeah, we're all adults here.

Sandeep Parikh: 26:22

So yeah, we're going to promote the violence of destroying all the lesser kids. Tv shows that only one can remain.

Omar Najam: 26:32

Let's watch it. What's the name of this segment? What should we call it? I don't think we discussed that before.

Delvan Neville: 26:37

Do we never get a name? Oh, i put down the showdown. Oh, that's it. The shows in the notes. Yeah, nice.

Omar Najam: 26:44

Well everyone get ready for the showdown? Oh, fantastic, all right, here's how it's going to work, folks. We have a bunch of shows that are going to pop up on our little bracket, and we are going to ourselves decide which one makes it through the little competition. This is like March Madness, but strictly for children's television. Are we experts in every show that we will be talking about?

Sandeep Parikh: 27:15

No, no, i don't know. Actually, i know most of these. There's only a couple I don't know.

Delvan Neville: 27:21

I think that's some of the media. This, though, that some of these you're just going to go off the box art on whether you are a kid to see it or not.

Sandeep Parikh: 27:28

And look, we're looking at chat, we see chat. We see you in their chat. So if you do want to sway us, go for it.

Delvan Neville: 27:34

Yeah, and then also keep in mind, when we get to the final, the final two, the final showdown, it's not up to us anymore, it's not to you. You're each going to pick who your champion is and then chess going to vote to who wins. Yeah, and that way we can have the co-host host gets get signed off based on whether you picked the right person.

Sandeep Parikh: 27:48

Some of these are just obvious, right, okay, all right, we'll get it.

Omar Najam: 27:52

Let's get started. We had a couple of write-ins.

Delvan Neville: 27:53

Let's see They weren't in the initial poll, so oh, got a couple of wildcars. Got enough reaction votes to get in there This cost a lot of chatter in our discord.

Sandeep Parikh: 28:02

I was surprised by the like, the, the enthusiasm slash vitriol behind like people. You know, that's the things you get them while they're young And so they become like. Did you have this thing, that this happened to you, omar? were like because you watched a certain commercial. You became a fan of one brand over another for no good reason other than you probably saw their commercial more. So like I was like. I was like Tylenol is the best, uh-huh. Oac, yeah. Adville is the worst at like seven or something like. Yeah, not for any other reason than I probably just saw commercial about it. Do you ever do that?

Omar Najam: 28:40

I think so, like I think that it definitely things affected me. The only time I remember consciously being aware of it affecting me was less of a commercial commercial and more of product placement, which was. I was a big fan of the Anamorph's book series, so I watched the show religiously when it was on Nickelodeon and at the instant clothes provided by Gaff and a second it went to black. After the credits I turned to my mom, didn't like just my head swiveled around, my body facing backwards, just a style. Yeah, i just went. I have to go shopping at the gap.

Omar Najam: 29:09

And my mom was like well, that's enough television for the rest of your life.

Sandeep Parikh: 29:14

Uh-huh, yep Con commercials are insidious. Um yeah, okay, so this is so. Anyway, it sparked a lot of debate and people sort of enthusiastically I guess is a euphemistic way of saying how dare you for not putting my show in there. So I was like all right, well, fight it out. Guys, Like, if you want to do write-ins, yeah, um, and so look like a couple of them one. So let's, let's, let's, let's check it out here.

Omar Najam: 29:38

All right.

Delvan Neville: 29:38

Here we go. So first one on the list This is the number one seed against the number 16 seed. Yes, i did use appropriate seeding Mr Rogers neighborhood versus Hello Tubby's, i mean come on, oh easy, come on.

Sandeep Parikh: 29:53

Do we even have to talk about this? I mean, like easy. Like, i mean, this is, this is a. This is a layup for me, up for everything that I've already talked about for Mr Rogers.

Delvan Neville: 30:04

Right, you were actually already talking at the show is like this would maybe be the one exception to your screen issues, so I will So.

Omar Najam: 30:11

I will say in the defensive tell Tubby's is my second favorite.

Sandeep Parikh: 30:15

David Lynch TV show Yeah For sure It's really he, really that, and blue Mahal and drive Um, you know they're right up there. I mean I do wonder, like you know, like uh, is there is there a case like not a case for obviously tell it to be winning, but is there a time, is there ever like a drug induced state, where tell it to be the preferred watch?

Omar Najam: 30:45

over. Mr Rogers over.

Sandeep Parikh: 30:47

Mr Rogers, like is there?

Omar Najam: 30:48

is there Yeah.

Sandeep Parikh: 30:48

Is there a you know, a moment in your life, or maybe you need a little? tell it to be you know now.

Omar Najam: 30:54

Mr Rogers helps you enter the state. Mr Rogers helps you leave the state. Mr Rogers therapy. Yeah, There are people in the town. There was.

Sandeep Parikh: 31:03

I think.

Omar Najam: 31:03

You think of the only thing, not with the.

Sandeep Parikh: 31:05

Trumpeteer. I think there's a use case, and the use case is torture. that you Right.

Delvan Neville: 31:12

We weaponize it, somebody privatize it.

Sandeep Parikh: 31:15

Yeah. You clock the orange. Your enemies with all tell it to be. I feel like that's, that's right.

Omar Najam: 31:23

All right, that's a pretty good point. That's pretty good point, all right.

Sandeep Parikh: 31:25

So I think we're going to, we're going to go ahead and nominate. Rogers Yeah, all right, mr.

Delvan Neville: 31:30

Rogers is moving on to the next round.

Sandeep Parikh: 31:32

Okay.

Delvan Neville: 31:32

All right. Next up we have the number eight seed versus the number nine seed. Okay, lamb shops play along. versus Barney.

Sandeep Parikh: 31:41

Yikes, i was not. As a kid growing up, i was pretty anti both of these. I think I was too old, too old at this, too old to be cool That I didn't. So I yeah, i was like maybe eight or something when this stuff was coming out. So I think I was at a place where I was like they're both super lame. I didn't really dig either of them and didn't wasn't like Barney? didn't Barney have like a? didn't you do some creepy stuff or something? or like actors playing, or am I making that up?

Delvan Neville: 32:14

Well, he had a song about like who he, who he loves. Such such an accusation to throw down on the.

Omar Najam: 32:21

Internet Children's television show. episode.

Sandeep Parikh: 32:31

I mean, hey, was it wasn't raffia spy Was.

Omar Najam: 32:35

Am I wrong? Am I wrong? Was neat. Didn't he infiltrate the CAA? I don't know.

Sandeep Parikh: 32:40

I wasn't touched. That Sam Rockwell movie about Barney has a spy, i can't remember. All right, anyway. Okay, so look, i'm gonna man My mind's made up. I know how I'm voting. I'm curious to see how you know. I have a, definitely I honestly, both of these could blow up. As far as I'm concerned, i could care less, but I just Barney was too sacri, i just it was too over the top, uh-huh, and there was like something pandering about the whole situation for me Okay.

Sandeep Parikh: 33:18

I just I think I'm going to go lamb chop. Well, it just almost by default, i guess, sticking with my puppet over I don't know.

Omar Najam: 33:30

Mass got my current that you've always, you've always held on this show that.

Sandeep Parikh: 33:34

I just realized I had Yeah.

Omar Najam: 33:39

What are you going? I'm saying this, i'm chiseling it in stone lamb chop was the shit.

Sandeep Parikh: 33:45

Quote me on that. Oh, you love lamb chop, okay, cool.

Omar Najam: 33:47

Love lamb chop.

Sandeep Parikh: 33:49

What was fun about lamb chop? What was the?

Omar Najam: 33:51

thing. It's a. It's a sheep puppet, it's great.

Sandeep Parikh: 33:55

Say no more. You had me at your in in crudulity at me. I've been asking the question The one that had this in the song and and and and, wasn't that lamb chop It might?

Omar Najam: 34:11

have been.

Delvan Neville: 34:11

That was on the show Yeah, but.

Sandeep Parikh: 34:13

I'm my friend.

Delvan Neville: 34:14

Okay, yeah, it's what it was one of many songs on the show.

Omar Najam: 34:18

A song that never ends was such a wild concept to me?

Delvan Neville: 34:21

It was a kid Yeah.

Omar Najam: 34:23

Right now as an adult, that's just any Phoebe Bridger song that I'm hyper fixating on at the time.

Sandeep Parikh: 34:29

That's any EDM concert, right Like. Where's the like? what stands out? Are we on at this, this techno?

Omar Najam: 34:39

This next verse is really good. It really brings it all together.

Sandeep Parikh: 34:44

Oh, thumb, thumb, thumb, thumb, thumb, thumb, thumb, thumb, thumb, thumb, thumb, thumb, thumb, thumb, thumb, thumb, thumb. All right, all right. So I think we're both in agreement. Mind by default. Okay, move spice and student enthusiasm. Lamb chop is moving on. All right, Wonderful.

Delvan Neville: 34:58

All right. Next up the number four seed against the 13 C. We have Magic School Bus versus Thomas and Friends.

Omar Najam: 35:05

Oh, this is tough. I can't believe these were head to head.

Sandeep Parikh: 35:08

So Magic School, but this is the original or is there like a remake?

Omar Najam: 35:12

of it. This is not the Lin-Manuel Miranda one.

Delvan Neville: 35:15

This is.

Omar Najam: 35:15

Lily's home. Is that a real thing? Lin-Manuel Miranda did the new intro.

Sandeep Parikh: 35:19

Yeah, Oh, wow, okay, Crazy, i'm not caught up. All right, so this is the original Magic School Bus. This was like a little before my time, i think, right.

Delvan Neville: 35:29

When did the.

Sandeep Parikh: 35:30

Magic School Bus come out.

Omar Najam: 35:31

Like the original. Was it like 80 something?

Delvan Neville: 35:36

Oh.

Omar Najam: 35:37

I feel like some of the visual choices on it make kind of feels.

Delvan Neville: 35:39

Late 70s came out.

Sandeep Parikh: 35:40

Yeah, i don't know for sure. Anyway, I never really got into it, and my kid loves trains, so so so much and so.

Delvan Neville: 35:54

But you don't want your kid to be watching these shows. No, but he loves. Doesn't make it dangerous.

Sandeep Parikh: 36:00

I don't care if you watch this show. I'm just saying he loves trains. I mean, i mean he's not going to watch 1994, by the way, was Magic School Bus.

Omar Najam: 36:09

Wait what?

Sandeep Parikh: 36:10

I must have been a second version. No, that can't know the new one is the new the new one is current.

Omar Najam: 36:16

The new one came out a couple of years ago in Netflix.

Delvan Neville: 36:19

I can't be right now.

Omar Najam: 36:20

They didn't have school buses in the 1970s.

Sandeep Parikh: 36:22

Another Magic School Bus before the 1994 one.

Omar Najam: 36:26

That's it. That's it. There's no Hold on.

Sandeep Parikh: 36:29

This is going to become like Mandela effect. Yeah Yeah, exactly.

Delvan Neville: 36:32

This is the Shazam thing She's am because I am 1994.

Omar Najam: 36:37

No, there was a magic school bus.

Sandeep Parikh: 36:39

Stop it Really. Yeah they erased it from the Internet. This is bullshit, No.

Delvan Neville: 36:46

I can't believe we're both on the same timeline Where the show came out in the 70s, because yeah, and this one it says it's 94.

Sandeep Parikh: 36:53

No, there's definitely an older one right. Stop it, I'm going to get very upset.

Omar Najam: 36:59

A 1970s Magic School Bus would have no diversity in the classroom.

Sandeep Parikh: 37:04

So, whatever you remember, it was a segregated bus, that's right.

Delvan Neville: 37:13

That one got canceled, so we can't find records of that anymore.

Omar Najam: 37:18

The way that they said.

Delvan Neville: 37:19

Carlos was really charged.

Omar Najam: 37:21

They knew it really uncomfortable.

Sandeep Parikh: 37:26

There was a sign seating, if you know what I mean. It was not good. No way, this is. I can't. There was had to have been an older.

Omar Najam: 37:34

I just can't know my life 1994. That's it.

Sandeep Parikh: 37:39

I'm so thankful you're here, delvin, because I would probably, if you weren't here, i would have been like, yeah, you know what? OK, maybe I just missed from I know. I am so certain there's an older version of the Magic School Bus.

Omar Najam: 37:51

That was what animated on construction paper. Was it like a shadow play?

Sandeep Parikh: 37:55

No, it was like. It was like a 70s style anim.

Delvan Neville: 37:58

It was like, yeah, like remember the old animated Lord of the Rings Like that's yeah, it was the right, it's in the same. It's in the same animation like the rotoscope motion.

Omar Najam: 38:11

Miss Frizzle crying with just hot glue beads.

Sandeep Parikh: 38:16

All right, ok, let's not obsess over this. Fine, i'm going to. what was the? what's the video game that everybody thought existed? that doesn't exist? That was like the whole, that like kind of the. you know, i'm talking about the effect on this massive Mandela was not a video game. Oh my God, I'm so mad now. Now I'm getting upset, It's it. Middle effect is about false memory.

Delvan Neville: 38:38

Yeah, i mean, there's the, there's the movie where, like, people confuse Shazam with Kazam, like one like that, like there's, that There's like a God. You think of the fact that Jack appears in one of those movies and check out the food was a video game. Is that what happened in your brain? The Shaq Fu was a real game. That's not a Nelson Mandela attack one.

Sandeep Parikh: 39:02

We did this whole homage to the game. I can't remember the title of it, but in Glitch Tech's the kids show that I did like 4 for Nickelodeon, which was a phenomenal experience, But we did a whole shout out to that game. But there's a game that people think happened. A bunch of people have a shared memory of an arcade box game that they believe they all played and they can describe it. There's no evidence of that game existing. Dan Milano, my former boss, is going to be so disappointed that I don't remember the name of it. To be fair, I'm hungover. What are we going with this? Do you have a strong feeling?

Sandeep Parikh: 40:00

Magic Scoob was all the way At the beginning you said this was a close, hard one, and now you're just lying, thomas the Tank Engine had so many stories where it was like, don't aspire to be above your station.

Omar Najam: 40:18

So many ones where it's like, but I want a clean green paint and then we buried. Harry in a tunnel.

Sandeep Parikh: 40:24

Stay on the track that you are built on. It wasn't very nice that you asked for fair treatment, harry, and then they just decommissioned the train. Thomas, the train believes in the caste system.

Omar Najam: 40:40

You're beneath me, said Thomas.

Sandeep Parikh: 40:44

Sorry, you're in the merchant class.

Omar Najam: 40:47

You can't marry him, said Thomas A cargo ship can't marry a passenger train. But he holds the coal, said Thomas.

Sandeep Parikh: 41:01

Okay, Polybius, thank you. It is Polybius. Thank you, chat. Oh my gosh, you're amazing. Yes.

Delvan Neville: 41:07

I've never heard of it, but I guess it makes sense that it doesn't exist.

Sandeep Parikh: 41:10

We named the character, but we named the character Polybius as like an homage to it.

Omar Najam: 41:14

Yeah, that's good.

Sandeep Parikh: 41:15

Amazing. Okay, you know what Exterminates in chat, saying that the animation always bothered me and I think I'm on board with it always bothering me too. I agree. I will also vote Magic School Bus, but only the 1970s version. that may or may not exist, so let's move it on, all right. Magic School Bus is moving on to the next round.

Delvan Neville: 41:39

Next up, we have the 5C versus the 12 Dragon, tales versus Between the Lions.

Omar Najam: 41:45

No, that's this is so rude. Oh wow, okay, This is so rude.

Sandeep Parikh: 41:51

Now, I don't think I've ever seen a full episode of either of these.

Omar Najam: 41:55

That's a while. They're seven minutes long.

Sandeep Parikh: 42:01

I have a very short attention span. I'm also one of the detriments of watching TV, television. But I have a fond memory of Dragon Tales. I was older, so I, just so I have, i don't know, i have a fondness for it, i don't know why. What about you? What? did you have any experience with these firsthand? Yeah, Dragon Tales came out Like I, was like I was like yeah, later right.

Omar Najam: 42:32

Yeah, i was like I was a something. I was definitely not in the age group for Dragon Tales. What I will say is between the lines why didn't watch a whole lot of it? A, i love. I love this Two. It is a play on between the lines. Reading between the lines.

Sandeep Parikh: 42:50

Oh, I like that. I love a good part. I love me a good double entendre.

Omar Najam: 42:54

Dragon Tales. Dragon Tales, which is a tale of a dragon.

Sandeep Parikh: 42:58

Oh shit, i didn't even think about it. Dang Okay, i'm going to vote between the lions. Look at that. Listen, between the lions. I'm just like loving the art of between the lions right now that I'm seeing. And yeah, look, as you all know, I'm a puppet guy. Yeah, And now looking at it, yeah, Dragon Tales can eat Eat Shit.

Delvan Neville: 43:26

All right. between the lines, All right. Next up here we have one that was thought one of these was is so beloved that it was on our initial poll and people immediately freaked out that how dare we not put it on the poll, because I guess it wasn't in big enough print. We've got whatever to see bluey against Dora the Explorer.

Sandeep Parikh: 43:49

People in chat right now are saying I think blue is. People are like what are you talking about being like? I can't believe bluey isn't seated higher Number two, so clearly wanted to be one, i guess.

Delvan Neville: 44:02

For the record, Mr Rogers beat up bluey by five votes in our initial seating, which 3631.

Sandeep Parikh: 44:08

Yeah, that's pretty close So it's fine bluey Versus Dora the.

Omar Najam: 44:14

Explorer. This is tough. This is really tough. Yeah, dora, gave a C-State pour they, i know.

Sandeep Parikh: 44:24

That's huge Like. So Are you just saying that you, you know are?

Omar Najam: 44:32

you saying that?

Sandeep Parikh: 44:33

no, you can't. Is that what we're saying here? Man, this is tough because, listen, look, i'm going to go bluey. And I'm going to go bluey because I've seen only like a couple episodes of it, but they are just outright hilarious, absolutely Like such clever writing, so endearing, it's so well done. I mean, dora is great for its own reasons, but I'm going to edge out bluey just on, like as a comedian. I think I have to go. I have to go bluey.

Omar Najam: 45:12

I'm voting Dora.

Sandeep Parikh: 45:13

You're going Dora.

Omar Najam: 45:15

Yeah, listen, i really like bluey blues helping me a lot right now in my life, but like I have to put my chips behind Dora. Dora is so red, it's Tomb Raider for kids.

Delvan Neville: 45:27

That's true, that is true, dang All right, so I put it to me to tie. break it then, because, sandeep, you're going bluey.

Sandeep Parikh: 45:34

I'm going to go bluey Yeah, so. I'm going to go delving the voice of the faceless voice.

Delvan Neville: 45:41

Yeah, go ahead. Louis, can you say to piedes That means you lose. In Spanish I'm going Dora. Hard on this one, huge, absolutely hard on Dora. I'm surprised this was close. I know there's a lot of bluey fans out there, but no contest for me.

Omar Najam: 46:04

At all. Okay Well, we love a clean cut to one.

Sandeep Parikh: 46:08

I think I yeah people in chatter pretty upset. Some people are happy. I guess that's. That's what this is divisive.

Omar Najam: 46:16

You know, it's a little bit worse, just everyone else.

Sandeep Parikh: 46:20

Our discord is going to be very upset.

Delvan Neville: 46:22

Yeah, send all the hate mail to me. I just request all your hate mail be written in Spanish, please.

Sandeep Parikh: 46:27

Nice, dora does teach you two languages and it's. You know, the representation is great. So I'm not that upset. I'm not that upset. So if you like blue, you're basically racist, that's kind of what I was saying at the beginning. I was like if you, if you vote against Dora, which? I guess I just did. you hate our Latin next friends in New York, and so I accept my loss and my and my yeah and all the shame that comes along with it.

Omar Najam: 46:55

Louis has a really good representation for middle class Australians.

Sandeep Parikh: 46:58

I do need to point that out for homo in middle class Australians It is. It is a dope show. All right, we're moving on.

Delvan Neville: 47:05

All right, here we go All right Next up we got the number seven seed against Arthur, the number 10 seed, one of the other right ends here. Arthur wasn't on the poll. We got so much right in contact that Arthur made it back yet. Oh my.

Sandeep Parikh: 47:19

God, what's this? I see, okay, i'm really out of my element here.

Omar Najam: 47:23

I don't know, i don't know What the hell.

Sandeep Parikh: 47:27

Zabumafu, zabumafu, that's. Zabumafu I mean I see that now. I mean, i see that now.

Omar Najam: 47:34

Yeah, with the crats brothers Oh okay, I've heard of them.

Sandeep Parikh: 47:38

I don't know it that well. Is it good? You love it? I mean it's Over Arthur, you, at the very beginning of this, talked about Arthur and named Arthur as one of your like seminal shows.

Omar Najam: 47:51

Now, here's the thing, Here's the thing, here's where, and I don't want to influence one or the other, but you're talking about how you want to introduce your son to like nature, documentary stuff.

Sandeep Parikh: 48:03

No, i'm like I'm scrubbing an episode right now and I think I'm definitely going Zabumafu. This is super cool.

Omar Najam: 48:10

I would like to.

Sandeep Parikh: 48:10

This is like real life animals. There's like some clay animation. There's like I was leaping along Yeah, puppets, this is cool.

Delvan Neville: 48:19

I think they're like five sloth they've actually captured for the image, then, that they're just struggling to hold their place.

Omar Najam: 48:25

It's a lever. It's a ribbed tailed lever.

Sandeep Parikh: 48:29

It's a lever If you'd watch the show Delvin you would know.

Delvan Neville: 48:34

Okay, i thought I had, but now you're saying they're all like live animals. I thought it was like a puppet situation And like what's. Arthur's deal I don't really know anything.

Omar Najam: 48:41

What's Arthur's deal? Arthur's just getting through life like us dog.

Sandeep Parikh: 48:44

Isn't he just kind of like a suit and like A suit?

Omar Najam: 48:49

Isn't he? David Zaslaw Isn't he gutting Warner Brothers archive right now.

Sandeep Parikh: 48:54

He's sitting in the CEO of Warner Brothers. Like who is this guy? Do you like this guy?

Omar Najam: 48:59

Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Arthur, arthur, the titular, arthur, yeah, perfectly fine character. Really great stories with him. And Buster, the star of the show and the reason I'm voting for it. Dw, a goddamn icon and will be my Halloween costume this year. If you've looked at DW memes and you see her at the fence with the sunglasses, i will be doing that this Halloween. I will be there with a fake fence, a trellis as I look through it as DW. I'm voting Arthur. Dw is incredible.

Sandeep Parikh: 49:30

Look up DW being iconic on YouTube, so you just have like. You have sort of like this is like you know, this is important, this is an important show to you. This is like you're basically a sycophant for Arthur and DW, dw.

Omar Najam: 49:44

I would say yeah, i'll go so far as to say yeah, like the way that many people feel about Beyoncé is how I feel about DW.

Sandeep Parikh: 49:51

There's a lot. I mean, there's a lot going on in chat right now where there's some back and forth that's happening. I'm going to leave this up to Delvin as well, because I'm going to go with Zubu Mifu, based on. I love shows with real animals and puppets, so I'm going to go there.

Delvan Neville: 50:07

Apparently, i love shows that feature a character named Dora, because that's the D in DW.

Sandeep Parikh: 50:16

I'm going Arthur on this one.

Omar Najam: 50:17

Wow, i see how it is The.

Sandeep Parikh: 50:18

Dora era continues. Both votes sway against me. That's fine, that's fine, all right. Great, what's next? Okay, we're now into the big eight, right.

Delvan Neville: 50:27

No, you have two more left, Oh okay, never mind.

Sandeep Parikh: 50:30

Okay, we get broken down, all right.

Delvan Neville: 50:34

We're going to go with number three against number 14 reading rainbow. I'm so surprised reading rainbow barely made the list.

Sandeep Parikh: 50:41

How is this in the first round? This is this. Feels like this should be like a semi final.

Delvan Neville: 50:47

Wow. Well, whichever one you pick is going to be in there.

Sandeep Parikh: 50:51

So this is depressing. Yeah, this is a blood bath. I love me some. LeVar Burton, i mean, i truly do. That's like listen like. To me, sesame Street is the no brainer call.

Omar Najam: 51:02

Yeah.

Sandeep Parikh: 51:02

And I think it's because of its incredible influence on my life. I mean, for me my deep cut is the alligator king. It was like that song. I have memorized it for my child and I sing it to him all the time, and when he was a baby it was one of the only songs that really calmed him. And so I got to go Sesame. I mean, i just I got too much from Sesame Street to to, even despite my love of LeVar Burton. I got to go. I got to go with Sesame Street.

Omar Najam: 51:34

I'm going to say this this hurts the most. This hurts. This one hurts the most. There was a story in Reading Rainbow about these paintings that came to life. It was the scariest thing I've ever seen in my entire life. It scarred me. So I will use that little moment of disassociation to do what has been the hardest choice I've ever had to make, which is to go with Sesame Street. I'm so sorry. Reading Rainbow, I love you with all my heart. I'm voting Sesame Street. Sesame Street just has such an array of characters that represent so many folks. Elmo versus the Rock recently has been such a great drama to keep track of. This is tough, though I don't feel good about it, I think this is.

Sandeep Parikh: 52:17

this is the reason why I think Reading Rainbow is not even on the initial list is that it feels it skews a little older than Sesame Street does, And so KP dubs is in chat saying like if you're under six, go Sesame Street, over six, Reading Rainbow.

Omar Najam: 52:29

So I think maybe it's a little unfeeling about it.

Sandeep Parikh: 52:31

So I'm going to just get a. this is how I'm justifying it for me. Yeah, Because I don't want to hurt Reading Rainbow in any capacity.

Omar Najam: 52:38

Because we are Reading Rainbow.

Sandeep Parikh: 52:40

You, just, you just wandered into the wrong pit fight. Reading Rainbow.

Omar Najam: 52:45

You're called to the wrong audition.

Sandeep Parikh: 52:46

Yeah, you're great, we love you, just not for this one. Yeah.

Omar Najam: 52:52

They were looking for a scar that Joe Hansen type and we showed up. Yeah, So Reading Rainbow We love you.

Sandeep Parikh: 52:58

Dang Bronzes. You know in chat right now Jasmine's in chat. I'll say it wishbone better than Reading Rainbow Dang What? Well, in all caps.

Omar Najam: 53:08

It is a dog that does like pop into the stories. It is hard to beat.

Sandeep Parikh: 53:12

Yeah, all right, all right.

Delvan Neville: 53:15

So we're decided.

Sandeep Parikh: 53:16

Sesame Street moves on Reading Rainbow just shut up to the wrong match.

Delvan Neville: 53:19

You know, just a little bit too old.

Sandeep Parikh: 53:22

I want Reading Rainbow.

Delvan Neville: 53:25

Yeah, let's become Reading Rainbow. Let's do this, let's do this. Take the thing now. Okay, this is the last one in the first round before we move on deeper to the finals. So now we have number six against the number 11 seed, daniel Tigers neighborhood versus octonauts, which I have heard of neither of these.

Omar Najam: 53:46

Okay, I have no emotions about either of these. anything I'm going octonauts I.

Sandeep Parikh: 53:54

Was gonna verbatim say the same.

Omar Najam: 54:07

Right now for the bit octonauts is going to take.

Sandeep Parikh: 54:11

I can't let it beat mr Rogers. Okay, all right. Octonauts.

Delvan Neville: 54:17

Moving on. Okay, sorry, daniel tiger, get some better box art up on IMDB. Maybe you'll have a shot next time.

Sandeep Parikh: 54:23

Daniel tiger is based on mr Rogers, what I just heard. So Very some very upset people. I think Daniel tiger is quite good, so maybe.

Omar Najam: 54:38

We just pulled a total in la la land versus moonlight. We're just like yeah, la la land.

Sandeep Parikh: 54:47

Just out of fatigue, we just right, all right Well yeah, by the way, what we?

Omar Najam: 54:53

did right now is why you should never feel bad if you Apply to a film festival and your film doesn't get in or your script doesn't get in.

Sandeep Parikh: 54:59

This is what judging is like where people I don't care, yeah, yep, okay, i'm out of my Starbucks.

Omar Najam: 55:05

What.

Delvan Neville: 55:05

I only too many, only two spots, yeah so let's blast through this now.

Omar Najam: 55:10

We got a little down to just the last two.

Delvan Neville: 55:11

Yeah, so now you've seen all these before, so no surprises anymore.

Sandeep Parikh: 55:14

I just you're gonna have to struggle, we go two more rounds. All right, yeah, let's go.

Delvan Neville: 55:18

Yeah, but this should be faster, because now you know all these, you know all, yeah, yeah, let's go, here, we go. So now we got mr Rogers and Lamcha.

Omar Najam: 55:23

Rogers moving on. all right, rogers, we're going mr Rogers, that was fast come on, lam's getting chopped right now.

Delvan Neville: 55:30

Yeah, i mean, you both said it real fast, so sure.

Sandeep Parikh: 55:35

Sorry.

Delvan Neville: 55:37

Thank you for coming.

Sandeep Parikh: 55:42

Looks like the song did end after all.

Omar Najam: 55:46

You have so many insults specifically for lamb chop.

Delvan Neville: 55:52

All right, now we got the magic school bus. I think canonically we're saying the 1970s version of the magic school bus Against between the Lions.

Omar Najam: 56:00

Oh. I'm still going magic school bus. Magic school bus is cool. Magic school bus is actually is like cool. Like you can still play that theme these days.

Sandeep Parikh: 56:11

Yeah, all right, you got me magic school bus. I don't know anything about between lines, other than I like puppets, so go on, yep.

Delvan Neville: 56:17

Yeah, I get it same place. Nice puppets. I don't know what your deal is. Bye I.

Sandeep Parikh: 56:23

Couldn't read between the lines after all?

Omar Najam: 56:27

but I did go into someone's digest system.

Delvan Neville: 56:31

This is apparently when my heart breaks because this is the Dora versus Dora round. We got Dora and DW. I'm sticking with.

Omar Najam: 56:41

Arthur, i'm sticking with Arthur.

Sandeep Parikh: 56:45

I Barely care, but I, i Mean, i'm gonna go listen. I was already racist once, so by voting for bluey, so I'm gonna, i'm gonna go with Dora as like a No.

Delvan Neville: 57:03

they're stepping, you're gonna, you're gonna tie this up and you're gonna force me to choose between Doris. Is that what we're doing right here?

Sandeep Parikh: 57:07

That's right, That's what's happening Oh no. Oh, no bronze shoes, if she's still around.

Delvan Neville: 57:13

Yeah, jasmine, if you're still around, you want to rescue me, i'm gonna break my heart, bring the hatchet down.

Sandeep Parikh: 57:20

Yeah, it's gonna be alright 51% alright.

Delvan Neville: 57:25

Jasmine to save me. I'm going with Arthur For this round send a halo to me still and then I'll just filter through and send the good stuff. Look at a picture DW.

Omar Najam: 57:33

Look at a picture of Dora. I think Dora was a little bit based off the design of DW, all right.

Delvan Neville: 57:43

All right so now we've got one last one in this round. Look at us.

Omar Najam: 57:47

We're already now. You know it. Know how I'm voting it's octa knots.

Delvan Neville: 57:53

You gotta think about what you're doing here.

Omar Najam: 57:56

No, i already placed my vote. No, i can't, i can't, i can't touch your mini moves.

Delvan Neville: 58:07

You haven't voted yet. Are you gonna save this?

Sandeep Parikh: 58:09

Yeah, I absolutely am not gonna vote for octa knots. I'm voting for Sesame Street. I just can't do it it goes to Delvin. It's the song I sing to my kid to sleep. I just can't. The alligator king. I have to go Sesame Street.

Delvan Neville: 58:28

All right.

Sandeep Parikh: 58:30

Is very by the number.

Delvan Neville: 58:35

Does. She is very, like, deeply important to me. Growing up We didn't have a lot of money, so it was mostly PBS shows for me, but I I need to Google real quick to see if there's a character named Dora in octa knots, if anybody knows.

Omar Najam: 58:45

Oh, That could break it.

Delvan Neville: 58:49

Ridiculous. I'm not gonna do that. Sesame Street takes it. Sorry, Omar, sorry.

Omar Najam: 58:55

Try again next time. We hardly knew you sleep with the fishes.

Sandeep Parikh: 59:02

Octa knots.

Omar Najam: 59:04

Not right. This is where it's tough now. This is where I get real tough.

Sandeep Parikh: 59:09

Yeah, cuz, everything here Yeah like well enough to not kill it twice now We have mr Rogers versus magic school bus.

Delvan Neville: 59:20

Wow.

Sandeep Parikh: 59:24

Wow, i mean listen, I Just don't have enough. I didn't know which decade Magic School bus came out. Oh right, and for me it's. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood and I will be his, so I'm gonna go. Fret Rogers.

Omar Najam: 59:47

I love magic school bus so much. Now I'm kind of like, should I get a magic school bus tattoo? but like Mr Rogers, I think you need do what you gotta do, but I think we do need People like mr Rogers. Yeah, I do too.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:00:04

I think that, yeah, you've seen the Senate clip right. Yes, about the importance of PV like PBS television, yeah, you're right, you're right.

Omar Najam: 1:00:13

For yeah, for that I, mr Rogers, mr Rogers transcendent stuff but, mr Rogers, all right.

Delvan Neville: 1:00:23

Yeah, they'll have an episode of the magic school bus where they explain how important mr Rogers neighborhood isa 100% and then nobody will know. We will be bummed about their bus being canceled and they'll have to walk to school now on.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:00:35

Okay, so about having big feelings? still resonates with with Jasmine as an adult. Yes, 100%.

Delvan Neville: 1:00:41

Yes, yeah, there is a coziness to the neighborhood. That just yeah, I'm beatable, all right. It says to be street Omar's baby W And I guess our three's on the show too.

Omar Najam: 1:00:55

I think I'm good. The title sequence does end with him yelling DW, I Think I'm going sesame Street.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:01:05

Okay, great. I thought I was gonna have to sing the entirety of the alligator king right now, but I don't. So, yeah, sesame Street. Maybe next round.

Omar Najam: 1:01:13

Sorry, bionic bunny. All right, yeah.

Delvan Neville: 1:01:17

Well, you know what that means.

Omar Najam: 1:01:19

Is it down to the two now?

Delvan Neville: 1:01:22

Down to just two and now it. Now it goes to chat, and now it goes to chat to the side, though here are two final kid tests, and so I want you to to hash out What I'm gonna which of you is taking which here, because whoever wins is host next week.

Omar Najam: 1:01:38

Oh.

Delvan Neville: 1:01:40

So you, you think you gotta figure out who your champion is going into going to chat.

Omar Najam: 1:01:44

I'm while the going okay.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:01:47

I will. I Would like to take sesame Street. I have a personal. Okay, i'll go, mr Rogers. Yeah, and I think I'm not gonna be upset and this is not a surprising finals to me. Yeah, i agreed. I'm very excited, i'm For. Whoever is the winner, i'm no wrong answers whoever loses, but I will sing you the alligator king.

Omar Najam: 1:02:17

So while we're doing, I let you know I was at home a couple days ago.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:02:23

Played a game.

Omar Najam: 1:02:25

I did play a game With my parents where I would play something on the acoustic guitar and I'd have him guess who was from, and so one of them was like I Was born, to make you happy by Britney Spears.

Omar Najam: 1:02:39

Like it just doesn't sound like your typical Britney Spears song. I mean depends you know what era. But then my mom was like, oh my god, britney's like. When I was like It's Britney Spears. When I was like, oh my god, whatever. And if I did like two others and then I did, oh, i'd like to visit the moon. And watching them sit there and try to figure out where they've heard that before, because they're not like hipsters, so they're not like revisiting all this stuff, or whatever Yeah like my parents are just like we know this, wait, we know this.

Omar Najam: 1:03:06

And like their noses were bleeding, as they were like pushing their brains to be like we know, but we do know this we do know this amazing I'm finding my dad was like did a, did a muppet sing it?

Sandeep Parikh: 1:03:18

Got it? Yeah, i love that. Oh, that song is glorious. Yeah, but that was on the Muppets right, like was that something in Sesame Street.

Omar Najam: 1:03:29

Isn't that, elmo? Am I wrong?

Sandeep Parikh: 1:03:35

Mm-hmm and a rocket ship done. Yeah, i guess, maybe it is. Yeah, yeah, maybe it was.

Omar Najam: 1:03:40

it was Bert Nerney, i didn't realize that while we're voting, Oh, I'd like to visit them.

Delvan Neville: 1:03:46

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Omar Najam: 1:03:46

Yeah, yeah.

Delvan Neville: 1:03:48

We have a lot of people in chat complaining where was blank y'all? we put a poll on the discord, yeah, and you could just you could reaction, vote to anything else you want to suggest, and right, and made it in. So if you want it on the List, it's your fault. It's not in the list because you didn't vote for it for octanauts.

Omar Najam: 1:04:03

I fought for.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:04:06

And also for some of you, like we really tried to stick with like pre-k, just so you know just right, yeah, that's the other thing too.

Delvan Neville: 1:04:11

That's what like transformers, ninja Turtles aren't on here, that's.

Omar Najam: 1:04:15

Different. We should do another episode, though, where we said we're gonna have to do like a dark wing duck like yes. You know, tails 90s teen tunes Yeah.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:04:25

Yeah, for sure. What was that show? there's a show like Maximilian or something. Is that? wasn't that a shit like?

Omar Najam: 1:04:31

a man's a name Oh.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:04:34

It's like vaguely coming to my brain Anyway, whatever, all right, okay, oh man, this is a stretch arm strong. I don't know, forget it. Richie, rich. Again. I'm hungover, i forget. Okay, mr Rogers versus Sesame Street in this poll is wow, mighty max. Yeah, i think that sounds right. Mighty, mighty max. This is neck and neck. It is like We're a vote away. I'm surprised There's such little. People are having a hard time voting, i think.

Omar Najam: 1:05:04

Do we have left? we're about halfway through the bowl.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:05:06

Yeah, there's a decent amount of time.

Delvan Neville: 1:05:08

If you're not having tech issues on twitch, we can always just relit because we just voted yet.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:05:13

Yeah, i'm. So there we go. Some more votes are finally coming in here, starting to Stretch Sesame Street. This is really tough, wow, you know There's, i guess, also that like that, just the sort of time stamp Of Sesame Street, like that It's. It's this continuing tradition. You know It does obviously mr Rogers past, so can't really continue that tradition but like right. Sesame Street can live on like forever, you know, and I think its influence could live on forever, true.

Omar Najam: 1:05:50

I would. Yeah, that's true, but on HBO.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:05:55

You mean on max?

Omar Najam: 1:05:56

on max by apologies.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:06:02

Do they know they can spend channel points to skew the vote? that is true, you could skew. Oh, mr Rogers already making comeback, wow, this is, oh my god a moment when you mention that to come back King Cinderella story.

Omar Najam: 1:06:13

Here We go, mr.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:06:14

Rogers chat doesn't like me, so it's. I imagine whatever I picked is gonna lose.

Omar Najam: 1:06:22

Come on, mr Rogers fans, let's go.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:06:25

Said how many different shows did you get within, mr Rogers. I'm feeling mighty down. Whichever of you can cheer me up, we'll get to win my crown. The first wonderful day in the neighborhood.

Omar Najam: 1:06:43

Oh wonder, we can both play this game.

Delvan Neville: 1:06:44

Okay, somebody has definitely found the channel boy. Sesame Street is taking off.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:06:49

Oh goodness, the second son brought a seven, seven statues of girls with clocks, with Stomachs or something like that.

Omar Najam: 1:07:03

It's something like that chat. Is this really the kind of programming you want to support?

Sandeep Parikh: 1:07:12

Mr Rogers, i'm sorry, i just knew I was ahead so I just bailed on my.

Omar Najam: 1:07:17

Incredible it. What an incredible segment. Yeah, that was really.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:07:22

You know not maybe not a surprise Victor here, but it technically was a An upset, because mr Rogers was true, this is the three seed.

Delvan Neville: 1:07:30

Beat out the, the number one seed, yeah Yeah, so an upset wild.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:07:34

Yeah, amazing. Incredible so I will sing the alligator King song, as I promised at the end, after we're done with the podcast, in our live Chat only section. So if you're listening to the podcast, not live, you got it. Yeah, for those goodies, you got us. You got to hang out with us 730s pm, generally on Sundays, with me and on a mar will we stream this live on twitch.

Delvan Neville: 1:07:59

Yeah.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:07:59

Wow, i don't know who went crazy at the end there and basically probably bought the vote with channel points, but I, sesame Street, took it down.

Omar Najam: 1:08:10

Oh, wow, wow, wow, wow, take it down the street.

Delvan Neville: 1:08:13

It does show me. It does show me there who spent the most channel points and there was definitely multiple people doing that, because the person Who spent the most points was only okay by votes worth of spending. There was a lot more than five votes in them got it.

Omar Najam: 1:08:25

Wow.

Delvan Neville: 1:08:25

There was a hit by way more than five. Okay, so we'll put it that way. So even if you took those channel points out Wow, i did not decide the outcome, that didn't well.

Omar Najam: 1:08:33

It's a pretty bonkers that Sesame Street one, because that actually leads us to our next segment.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:08:38

They see a week?

Omar Najam: 1:08:42

Yeah, our they see of the week is you want to go ahead and kick it off? Do you want to see who it is you want to reveal?

Sandeep Parikh: 1:08:48

you go, you go.

Omar Najam: 1:08:49

Okay, great.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:08:50

I saw I lost I literally lost our notes and I was like, and I was like I should play coy and try to signal it to him and I'm like, oh, that's not. This shows vibe. I'm just gonna tell you.

Omar Najam: 1:09:02

Uh, this week our they see of the week is Cal Penn. That's right, cal Penn is an actor, academic lecturer, celebrated author and former White House staff member in the Barack Obama administration. You know him from his memorable performances as Lawrence Cutner in the television program house, white House staffer, seth Wright on designated survivor and, of course, kumar in the Harold and Kumar film series.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:09:30

And and maybe more awkwardly, as a lubed up Taj.

Omar Najam: 1:09:37

Yes, and then wilder I.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:09:41

Would love to chat with him about that role and how he Where he made it is. Yeah, listen, man, you're out there auditioning. You're gonna take some roles. You're gonna take some roles. But look, he redeemed himself quite, quite a bit, and especially so because he appeared on Sesame Street Recently to teach children the importance of the word confidence and to introduce the neighborhood's first-ever Filipino Muppet, tj. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Omar Najam: 1:10:13

TJ is the latest addition to a diverse cast of new characters to Sesame Street in a disson G young the programs. First, asian American Muppet, the show introduced two black Muppets in 2021 West and his father, elijah. Sesame Street is out there representing the world that we live in and showing kids what it is like outside, and I appreciate that so much and the fact that kelp and was there to reign that in. It's amazing.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:10:39

I love that, like it was. Like I love that it was a Indian dude Introducing a Filipino Muppet. You know, like that, that was cool to me too. Yeah, that it what? That it wasn't like, you know. I mean just like, oh, he wasn't introducing an Indian Muppet, yeah, let's get the Indian guy for the Indian Muppet or whatever like now. I thought it was just like a like nice to see it was calp and yeah, and just like, yeah, Right, like that didn't play into that casting.

Sandeep Parikh: 1:11:08

I don't know, maybe it did in some capacity, but it was just cool that.

Delvan Neville: 1:11:12

For the Indian Muppet they're having Fisher Stevens.

Omar Najam: 1:11:15

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No big deal. Like the person who like ran the show, yeah, maybe maybe that bronze girl, jasmine Buller hard to say the show Yeah, I don't know.

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Omar Najam: 1:12:39

Oh sorry.

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Omar Najam: 1:13:12

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Sandeep Parikh: 1:13:13

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Omar Najam: 1:13:48

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