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Rocky
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Strap on your boxing gloves and hop into the cinematic ring with us as we dissect the beloved classic "Rocky" through our passionate and occasionally hilarious debate. Jesse and Jason are joined by Dakota for a roundhouse discussion on everything from Stallone's raw improvisation to the impact of an ice rink date scene done on the cheap. We'll reveal the behind-the-scenes hustle that turned Stallone's pet turtles into film legends and how punches off-screen made for more authentic storytelling.
Have you ever realized how a character's relationship with others can shape an entire story? Well, we've got the lowdown on Rocky's world, from his tough-love relationship with Mickey to the tenderness hidden in his romance with Adrian. We tangle with the humor found in the movie's grittier moments and share personal anecdotes that connect us to Rocky's fight, both inside and outside the ring. Dakota, thanks for joining us on this one; your insights added a knockout punch to our discussion!
Finally, we swing at the broader influence of "Rocky" on the action genre and sports movies at large. We draw lines from the "Italian Stallion" to the bone-crunching brilliance of "The Raid: Redemption," singling out the characters and settings that make these stories feel like they're happening just around the corner. Remember to connect with us on social media to share your thoughts and movie picks, and tune in next week for our review of "Napoleon Dynamite."
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Hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a movie podcast, where every week we recommend a movie for you to watch and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse and I'm Jason. I'm Dakota, you're going to eat lightning and you're going to crap thunder, because this week we recommend Rocky. So personally for me, this is my piss acid rain.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1For me personally, it's my favorite sports baby. Let me hear you, else, favorite sports. You all got some. There's not a lot of boxing in this movie. It's fine, it's still a sports baby.
Speaker 5What I was talking about before.
Speaker 1If this is going to be team up on one of Jesse's favorite movies, then we're just not doing this you have to defend a movie.
Speaker 5You've never had to do that before.
Speaker 1Yeah, Let me defend this. You know, 1977's best picture, you know. Let me defend one of the well-known greatest movies of all time.
Speaker 2You should have defended that.
Speaker 1Dude, that's so good, you're so good, that's so weird. All right, jason, yes, do the Rocky impression. You're next Dakota.
Speaker 4Oh man, what am I going to say? Is it anything? It's, he's choking, I'm choking, he's choking. I didn't have like a line to say.
Speaker 1It's translating to rock, just be like hey, this is a nice couch, nice couch, you know.
Speaker 4This is a nice couch, nice couch, yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1I'm actually kind of pissed off. How good that is. It's really upsetting. All right, dakota here you go.
Speaker 2You can come over here and get comfortable.
Speaker 5You can get comfortable over here.
Speaker 1That's not too bad.
Speaker 5That's not too bad. I'm real hot in here. I ain't going to do that. Shut up.
Speaker 2Hey, you ought to meet my turtle cuff and link. Come on.
Speaker 4Del, we're really welcome to. I got to do a lot of good, you know what I'm going to do.
Speaker 2Hey Apollo Creed, I like the guy, but he ain't dumb like me. I'm going to do the big fight or do the big fight. What do I do? Hey Polly, you got a drinking habit. I'm calling my girl.
Speaker 4Man, he's got to get. He's got a box to buy cigarettes.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 4Killed me every day.
Speaker 1I know you only made like $400 with that fight, but I guess in the 70s it wasn't too bad.
Speaker 4I guess it's like a billion dollars. No, you got $65 from it.
Speaker 1No, I mean like his first fight at the very beginning.
Speaker 5Yeah, he got $65.
Speaker 1No, I thought, oh yeah, because after they took out all this stuff, After he got punched.
Speaker 4He just got punched in the face over and over. Yeah.
Speaker 1That's the way he fights in all the movies, With his chin forward. They're all like stop getting hit.
Speaker 2This is all a fight.
Speaker 1I don't know.
Speaker 4I had no brain to lose, so wear them out. I just put you on. Wear them out with my chin. What a guy.
Speaker 2If I'm going to get pansy and put my hands up in my face, what do you think? What, what? That's not how we do it in South Philly.
Speaker 4I'm a real man. Ask Will Smith. Oh God Real tough guy.
Speaker 1Sir. Did y'all like the movie yeah?
Speaker 3Dude, are you serious?
Speaker 1Did you like the movie. Have y'all seen this movie before?
Speaker 4No, I don't think I have I think I've seen the end. I've seen all the better Rockies.
Speaker 1Jesus Christ, I will literally start swinging on everybody.
Speaker 5You got that little foam thing behind you. You can pretend it's like a massage.
Speaker 1I will Kelly, you know this video is getting disliked right now.
Speaker 5It's a bad movie.
Speaker 1Sylvester Stallone is at home, just like. Hey, this is my favorite movie Starting to go.
Speaker 5I saw my dog for it.
Speaker 4I like that he likes his pets.
Speaker 1Yeah, he's a good guy, Rockies a good guy. He is a good guy.
Speaker 5He's a simple template. He might yell at you one moment.
Speaker 2Then he's like what do I do to it? Don't change.
Speaker 5I'm just getting it out, you know.
Speaker 1He's so smart. Well, god dang. This is my favorite Rocky movie. It's awesome.
Speaker 5It's the best, it's not bad, it's just, it's not bad. We'll get into some of the scenes.
Speaker 4I feel like they made it and, as they are making it, they're like this is going to be a, there's going to be sequels, so we don't have to like do a lot for this.
Speaker 1They absolutely did not know that. No, really no, I think, what this?
Speaker 5Do you like, as it feels like it is definitely the people how they would be in that time.
Speaker 4You know movies they kind of make.
Speaker 5Just in the time frame of that, like sometimes people are nicer than how they are in the real world, just like no, I feel like these are real world people, yeah Well like a lot of people in like the training stuff, like they weren't.
Speaker 1They're just random people in the streets. It's like they didn't even know they were filming a movie because they just didn't have the budget.
Speaker 4It's an indie movie Carrying off the corpses from the night before and yeah, oh shit, we're in a movie.
Speaker 5Oh, they just hung them up in the butcher room you saw, I don't know.
Speaker 1It's like a good description of just like a rundown, like middle-aged boxer that had no success.
Speaker 4Wait, he's supposed to be middle-aged in the movie.
Speaker 1I think he's like in his 30s. For a boxer that's probably old, right, yeah.
Speaker 4I guess so. I guess so For someone who's still boxing I know him up front Because he's been boxing for 10 years.
Speaker 1He's at least late 20s.
Speaker 5Wow, now I see why everyone was telling him like you gotta stop rocking.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's why you stop.
Speaker 2You ever thought about retiring boy? Yeah, man, you should think about it. You should think about it.
Speaker 1Oops, I hit something. Well, we'll just go into a little bit about the movie. So after producers Erwin Winkler and Robert Chardov Chardov, chardov, god dang it, I'm doing it already became interested in the script, they offered Sylvester Stallone an unprecedented $350,000 for the rights. He had $106 in the bank and no car, was trying to sell his dog because he couldn't afford to feed him, but he refused to sell unless he agreed to allow him to star in the film. They agreed on the condition that Stallone continued to work as a writer without a fee and that he worked as an actor for scale.
Speaker 1After Winkler and Chardov purchased the film, they took it to United Artists, who envisioned a budget of $2 million with an established star, particularly Robert Redford, ryan O'Neill, bert Reynolds, nick Nolte, james Cohn. I don't see it working. When Winkler and Chardov told the United Artists that they could only get the screenplay of Stallone's start, united Artists cut the budget to $1 million and had Chardov and Winkler sign agreement that they would be personally liable if the film went over budget. Final cost was $1.1 million. Chardov and Winkler mortgaged their houses for the last $100,000.
Speaker 5Dang, that's some commitment right there.
Speaker 1Yeah, bro.
Speaker 5I feel like we don't get that anymore.
Speaker 1Sylvester Stallone. Just like I'm just gonna turn down this and just hope that it makes a lot of money.
Speaker 5I mean it was good that he stuck to it for him to be in it, because I can't imagine it being the same without him in it.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's because I don't know.
Speaker 5He felt real, authentic.
Speaker 4I wonder if he still sold his dog.
Speaker 5No, he did.
Speaker 4He did. He did for $40 for food. And then he had to buy it back for like $1,500. Wow.
Speaker 5I saw $1,500.
Speaker 1Oh, holy crap, I would do the same thing Be like oh, someone nominated for an Oscar, yeah, let me. Yeah, that's gonna be $15,000.
Speaker 5Oh, I thought you were like saying, yeah, I'd spend that much to get my dog back, like, no, you wouldn't sell him for a P&M.
Speaker 1I don't have $15,000 to buy him back from, I would do it for my $1,500. Or just like what? Was he another dog, I don't know? Did you wear him out before?
Speaker 5I get him back.
Speaker 1Yeah, could you teach him manners? He comes home and he's sipping tea out of his mouth. It's good to see you, father, again. It's been a long time.
Speaker 4Just eating a piece of cat shit and drinking coffee.
Speaker 1Yeah, he definitely wouldn't do that, definitely. I just see him, it's good to see you.
Speaker 5It was a very trying time for those early years of me.
Speaker 1I would love it. So, out of Robert Redford, Bert Reynolds, Nick Nolte and James Cohn, who would you pick out of those four? Do you want to know who those are? I don't know. James Cohn he's the old man in Elf. He's also in Godfather's.
Speaker 5Eve. Who's Robert Redford? I'm drawing the blank.
Speaker 1Robert Redford. He's like in the let's see. I'm trying to think of a movie that you know, captain America Winter Soldier. He's the guy like in charge of the whole thing, and he turns out to be the bad guy.
Speaker 5Oh yeah, I know, I think Cohn's maybe he's a really good actor, I think.
Speaker 1James Cohn. He's like in All the Presidents Men and stuff like that, he's really good.
Speaker 4Yeah, he's one of the other most more famous one, other than Bert Reynolds, that I heard of. Yeah.
Speaker 1I can't see that one now.
Speaker 2I can't see it, but that's the one I want, that's the one you want.
Speaker 5Yeah, knock my mustache off of you.
Speaker 4Hell yeah, I know, his mustache gets gloves too.
Speaker 1And then everybody knows Nick Nolte, the raspiest voice in the business. I'm drawing another blank the Angley Hulk movie with Eric Bonner he's the dad. Oh that guy. He's the dad and warrior he's also he's in Tropic Thunder.
Speaker 3Yeah he's in Tropic Thunder. What's next?
Speaker 1He's the guy with the raspy voice in the Mandalorian that kind of rides one of those like Rhino things in the ground. Oh, like the little pink thing. Yeah, looking thing yeah.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 5He also didn't always sound to look like that, but I guess you know smoking back in the day. Have you all seen Warrior?
Speaker 4The UFC movie with Tom Hardy and oh I know, never mind Tom Hardy, You're thinking about the Warriors, the Warriors Warrior.
Speaker 1By the way, we're doing that scene. I've been dying to watch that. Okay, we'll head up to the A different little factoid here. So most of the scenes of Rocky jogging through Philadelphia were shot gorilla style, that means like with no permits.
Speaker 4They had a gorilla, they just shot it Like what are you doing?
Speaker 5He just went gorilla mode.
Speaker 3This is it. Who's being chased by?
Speaker 1an active gorilla. They went Planet of the Apes style, the shot where he runs past the like the boats, where he's like running really fast. The crew was simply driving by the docks and the director saw the boat and thought it would make a good visual. So he had Sylvester Stallone simply get out of the van and run along the quays while the director himself filmed from the side door. A similar story concerns the famous shot of Rocky jogging through the food market. As he runs, the stall keepers and the people on the sidewalks can clearly be seen looking at him in bemusement. While this works for the context of the films context of the film to suggest that they're looking at Rocky, in reality they had no idea why this man was running up and down the road being filmed from a van During the scene. The famous shot where the stall owner throws Rocky and Orange was completely improvised by the stall owner, who had no idea that a movie was being filmed and that he would be in it.
Speaker 5So he just threw it at him.
Speaker 1That's like my dream To just be like oh, hey, man, yeah. And then just next thing, you know, a year later, I'm like that's me in a movie. Whoa.
Speaker 5I think you would know with that boy. There's a car with a camera in it. I know what's happening.
Speaker 1I mean you never know. Now I mean like shoot people do things on them.
Speaker 4Packs over the face of little Orange. Ah God.
Speaker 3It's like well, I guess we're in a very good box sir.
Speaker 2So, sylvester, keep your hands up. No, no, I take it to the face. I never broke my nose once. So does Adrian. I'm very proud of that.
Speaker 1So Sylvester Stallone improvised the monologue that Rocky delivers after turning down Mickey's offer to manage him. Stallone has since explained that the bathroom of the tiny apartment in which they were shooting really did smell like death. Oh, that's the scene that gets him the Oscar nominee.
Speaker 5That was it. So he improvised that whole speech like he was walking away, I guess. So.
Speaker 1I'm sure he had some of it written down and then probably just expanded it, I'm gonna map around, map around.
Speaker 2Who's about it? Virginia's, I've been coming to you. Still my dog.
Speaker 5Doesn't he still have one of those turtles? I don't know how many turtles live. Well, if there tour it is, it's gonna live a while. I think those are turtles. I saw something that he like a photo from years ago, that he still had it and it was big. Yeah, I don't remember if it was the same thing, I don't know.
Speaker 1Maybe it is. I'll have to look that up later. I won't.
Speaker 5I'm not even thinking about it. I'm thinking animals too. That's all we're gonna focus on.
Speaker 1We gotta stop talking about these turtles. Sylvester Stallone insisted that the scene where he admits his fears and doubts to Adrian the night before he wanted that to be filmed, even though production was running far behind and the producers wanted to skip it. Stallone had only one take for the scene, even though he considered it to be the most important scene in the film. Well, which I agree, even though throughout the film, you can start seeing them slowly, which is why I think this movie is so good. Going from like I'm a rundown guy, then he gets a little bit of like oh, I'm gonna do like this amazing fight. Everybody's like you should be happy, but slowly. Throughout the film you just see them like uh.
Speaker 3I mean it was.
Speaker 1There it is. That was the realistic part of and the more that he sees like the fight getting closer and closer, he's like I've got no shot. I just need the last man. I just got a last.
Speaker 5Oh, do you have a fact about what it's based off of?
Speaker 1The like the actual Rocky guy. Yeah, uh, no, oh, okay, do you have anything?
Speaker 5Well, it was well. We looked it up last night after we watched it, because I'm pretty sure he, like that poster, looks like oh Rocky, whatever his name was, that was the real boxer. Yeah.
Speaker 1And I actually did a paper on this.
Speaker 5I tried to find it so I could get all my facts, but it was a, I don't remember exactly the name but we looked up another photo and I think it was the Rocky guy punching some guy and it was mid punch and his face looked like it was melting and she showed me the photo of what the guy looked like without his face getting punched. God, that punch messed his face.
Speaker 1Like you saw it mid, like what I mean, have you all seen? I mean you all seen like slow motion, like super slow motion, like slaps and stuff like that.
Speaker 5I've seen that with other boxers. Punch people in the face.
Speaker 4The shockwave going through their face, cause there used to be a super popular YouTube channel where they just they would do that.
Speaker 1They just super high speed cameras and they just show things exploding or being hit in slow motion. Yeah, that was awesome. It rolled. I loved it. So this is one of my favorite facts. The ice rink scene was originally written to feature 300 extras, but their production couldn't afford so so many people with Sylvester Stallone.
Speaker 4They could also only afford one pair of skates.
Speaker 1Yeah, right, oh, that's awesome. When Sylvester Stallone turned up to shoot the scene, to his horror there was only one scene, so Stallone hastily threw together the scene as it exists in the completed film. This scene has become one of the most popular in the entire Rocky saga, and I agree because it's sweet and hilarious.
Speaker 4Yes, ridiculous.
Speaker 1It's just funny because he's running and she's just like she's trying to stay slow, but then he'll start running, getting a little faster, and then she's like, oh God, but I like it, cause, you know, she's starting to come out of her. She's like starting to finally talk a little bit more, she's becoming a little more comfortable.
Speaker 5And I don't know, and someone here to protect me from my abusive brother?
Speaker 1This is a perfect Valentine's Day movie because it's a love story in reality.
Speaker 5We'll talk about one story later.
Speaker 1That's why the ending of the movie is all about he didn't care about anything. He just wanted his girl, his girl, I swear to God he keep making faces over there. I'm gonna be Apollo over here.
Speaker 3You wanna rematch?
Speaker 1So in the film, the poster above the ring before Rocky fights Apollo shows Rocky wearing red shorts with a white stripe, when he actually wears white shorts with a red stripe. This was an actual mistake made by the props department that they could not afford to rectify. So Sylvester Stallone came up with the idea for the scene where Rocky points out the mistake himself. The comment about Rocky's robe being too baggy came about the same way. The robe delivered the set Was far too baggy for Stallone. So rather than hope people wouldn't notice, the character himself simply points it out.
Speaker 4Nice.
Speaker 1I love that Point out the flaws and they're like okay, cool, I guess we should have probably talked a little bit more about Carl Weathers. We just kind of went straight into the facts.
Speaker 5We mentioned. Like other movies that we just mentioned, the Mandalorian is in.
Speaker 1you know, rip Carl Weathers, everybody's in Star Wars now, do you think Carl Weathers was?
Speaker 4the inspiration for Happy Gilmore with his coach, that is, carl Weathers.
Speaker 2That is Carl.
Speaker 4Weathers.
Speaker 5Yes, it is oh.
Speaker 1It's like one of his most famous seats.
Speaker 4I thought it was just supposed to look like it.
Speaker 1He did a really good job of looking like it. Yeah, it was pretty good. Just tap it in. Go home, paul. You're the one who stole his hand and then he's dilling you, son of a bitch. That was my girlfriend at the same moment.
Speaker 5I was like oh yeah it's so funny how he was in Predator and she looked like wait, because we just watched it and she's sitting here.
Speaker 4Was that him? Yes, yeah it was Carl Weathers, carl Weathers.
Speaker 1Carl.
Speaker 4Weathers' muscular glory.
Speaker 1He's so great. And the second one. He's ended it a lot more, but he is yeah, because the second one's just the rematch. Show us your hello and welcome. There's going to be no rematch. And then it has the famous ending where the two of them are like let's have our third fight and they're doing it alone. And then you get the classic ding, ding and then they go and they both throw a punch and then it frees frames on them. That classic thing, Okay cool.
Speaker 5Yeah, and then you get the classic scenes that you don't realize where they're from. Oh, we watched them because, like that moment of like when you see parodies of it, I didn't realize, which is very off-topic. I watched, can't hardly wait. Oh yeah, have you seen it? Mm-hmm, I did not realize. That's like we're not another teen movie gets. It's funny because how Rocky is with Adrienne was very weird and the main character it not in a teen movie. I was like I like everybody else the story, but his, he's a creepy stalker.
Speaker 1Are you just telling me that's like Rocky's, a creepy stalker?
Speaker 5It's just funny when you go back and you realize, like, where the parody comes from.
Speaker 4I got you, yeah, couple red flags though.
Speaker 1Did you like? Can't hardly wait. What better this? Or can't hardly wait, rocky, I'm saying cuz you're out of the house.
Speaker 5I'm just tired of my girlfriend like showing me these old movies and every one of them is someone trying to have sex With someone who's either step sibling a pie. Yes, looked at her. Why is it?
Speaker 1every movie that you've liked has some why do you think we have the porn? We do okay. We grew up with rom-coms, where it's like hey, what if I bone my?
Speaker 5I already thought it was very weird already with a Polarud movie. Whatever movie that one was no.
Speaker 1Most most romantic comedies are problematic. Rocky cuz it's a slightly romantic, we'll get to the factoid on how, why that scene is the way it's his way of defending it.
Speaker 5That's how I was like. One of those people is like, well, she shouldn't have been walking down like that.
Speaker 1You see, you're, you're pissing off God. That's why this, that's why our house is about the blow.
Speaker 5That's just cuz I'm here.
Rocky Film and Filmmaking Techniques
Speaker 1All right, let's get to some facts with Carl Weathers. During his audition, carl Weathers was sparring with Sylvester Stallone and accidentally punched him on the chin. Stallone told Weathers to calm down as it was only an audition, and Weathers said that if he was allowed to audition with a Real actor, not a stand-in, he would be able to do a lot better. The director, john G Abel's, didn't, smiled and told Weathers that Stallone was the real actor and the writer. Weathers looked at Sloan Stallone thoughtfully for a moment and said well, maybe he'll get better. Stallone immediately offered him the role. That's great, I love. Yeah, I know, I love that too. And then the next one Sylvester Stallone and Carl Weathers suffered injuries during the shooting of the final fight. Sloan suffered bruised ribs and Weathers left Suffered a damaged nose the opposite injuries of what the characters actually had. Just one interesting.
Speaker 5Wait, did Rocky break his nose in this one?
Speaker 3Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's like a round one or two. He's like the nose is broke.
Speaker 5And then I just focus on Mickey's, like so much or no, mickey's like your nose is broke. It's an improvement.
Speaker 1Feel like I'm doing a better Nick Nolte than a Mickey. Yeah, so the iconic shot of Rocky running up the steps of the Philadelphia Art Museum came about Because of Garrett Brown. The Philadelphia native had recently invented the steady cam, which is like a big deal, and he was preparing to fly to Los Angeles and try to sell it. He shot some test footage following people around corridors, but he wanted to shoot something that even the most experienced filmmakers would look at and wonder how he did it. He had his girlfriend run up and down the museum steps while he followed close behind. Using that footage, brown sold the camera on his first day in Los Angeles. Several months later the director saw the footage and felt similar type of shot would be perfect for this film. He hired Brown and the steady cam in several months. After running up the steps filming his girlfriend, he was running back up the steps filming Sylvester Stallone.
Speaker 5Was this also like the camera they used in Halloween? Because wasn't that like one of the facts about that? Like how they did the, the steady shot of like following through the house like one clean long shot, yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's the same guy.
Speaker 4Oh, I believe.
Speaker 1I think I think I remember that correctly, just if not.
Speaker 5I wish we had cool Movie things coming out like that. Now cuz you mentioned going to theater like look at that cool new way they shot it. Now it's just like look at this cool new green screen. We got well, actually drones, actually.
Speaker 1Most films, most filmmakers now are doing that like a leaf, like every film he does is like a brand new camera. Michael Bay does that Christopher Nolan with the IMAX, like he did that. Zack Snyder did a lot with IMAX cameras, like Revolutionizing it and stuff.
Speaker 5Yeah, but I'm any guy.
Speaker 1James Cameron with his.
Speaker 5I would say though I'm actually only his experience you can get if you go to IMAX, if you're watching Rocky you can get see with a steady cam. Yeah, everybody.
Speaker 1More of a general audience because not everybody goes to IMAX like yeah, I mean I guess now it's mainly drones. I mean you have ambulance and and be like ants. There's like fan for see it's because, like they're in LA and LA is in the like we don't know, we got it. I just need to make sure people know how crazy that is the movie ambulance with Jake Gyllenhaal and he's like they're robbing.
Speaker 4They will do a lot of drugs and they're robbing people.
Speaker 5No, they're just robbing a bank, right. I he definitely was on an ambulance and it's an LA, so like the logo was, like am you? La is.
Speaker 1Because it took place in ambulance and LA is in the word ambulance. Yes, interesting, do you guys?
Speaker 4get it.
Speaker 1According to Bert Young, during filming of the scene where Polly walks home drunk, an actual drunk wandered onto location and told he wasn't acting drunk convincingly so young asked the man to demonstrate. Young then coffee the man's actions for the scene.
Speaker 5So I always think it's funny when you see like those scenes where people are like trying to pretend like they're drunk Mm-hmm, if I was ever an actor, I would at least try it once to be like can I get a little tipsy to try and lean into it, or would I just ruin the shot? That's method. I want to be that method to see. I'm not gonna be Jared leto methods and use condoms and dead rats to people.
Speaker 1All right, so this is gonna be the last thing I say. So this is for the scene of Rocky and Adrian in their kiss. The scene in which Rocky and Adrian kiss in Rocky's kitchen wasn't scripted the way it was shot. Adrian Talia Shire had the flu and was worried about getting Sylvester Stallone sick. Her hesitation was an improvement over the scripted scene and they decided to keep it. The scene has become Stallone's favorite scene in the tire Rocky saga we need to look at Stallone's history, like Vince McMahon right now.
Speaker 5How do you like that scene? I watched that scene. I was like this is so uncomfortable, I don't know what it really might be. I was like Jesse's got to hate this scene, right, and I just like it was not a comfortable scene. I was like I do not like him right now, in this moment this is very I know we're supposed to do and in the moment I like you saying that, emphasize to me, like because she was so standoffish she's like maybe she kind of was leaning more into it.
Speaker 5I know she couldn't, but it was.
Speaker 4She couldn't because she was being pressed against the door. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 5Come on, just come on in.
Speaker 4You can come with me into my apartment, or you can just like walk home in the dark and yes, well, I need to call my brother.
Speaker 5Oh, come real quick, shut. It just made me feel like, look, nobody gonna come save you.
Speaker 3That's not how it's supposed to come off.
Speaker 1She was just supposed to be shy and standoffish, but she wanted to be with rock. But Rocky's kind of a dumb goof who's is like what do you mean you? Do you want to?
Speaker 2leave good boy.
Speaker 1I do you like so.
Speaker 5I was looking in the background and man, his apartment is guys like, come see Joe Macau, she just moved newspapers aside.
Speaker 1Okay, that's yeah when she first was soon as she walks in she's like it's trash. But I love later in the film when she moves in with them. It's like it's cleaned up.
Speaker 5She's got decorations everywhere. She probably had pictures of them. I understand, you know sometimes we not decorated up, but he had beer bottles in the couch cushions.
Speaker 4That's awesome.
Speaker 5That's so gross. They were empty bottles turned upside down and I was like your couch smells like beer. Drink with beer.
Speaker 4Everything in the 70s and 80s smelled horrible.
Speaker 1He's always think about that.
Speaker 4He's still owner who just is the loner gets beat up.
Speaker 1He gets beat up all the time.
Speaker 5I don't know Ever think about that, like what he said is anytime he's go back and look in the 70s stuff. Everybody smoke is like man, just everywhere you go. It probably smelled like cigarette. Yeah, if you weren't a smoker, then it just awful times.
Speaker 1And you know what I love when people smoke in movies. Yeah, they look cool they look so cool and it makes you want to cigarette, even though smoking is bad.
Speaker 3They don't smoke kids.
Speaker 1Don't smoke kids, okay, okay. So let me run down through this Cast real quick before we hop into the film you got. Sylvester Stallone is rocky, talia Shire as Adrian, burt Young is Pauly, carl Weathers is Apollo, burgess Meredith as Mickey, and that's kind of like you know the main people. We'll probably stop there.
Speaker 1But, yeah, so that's it, and it was directed by John G Avils, dean Um avilsen, whatever, actually looked up his movies and other than, like some of the rocky movies, I've never seen any of it. It has to be probably the director I know the least, that it's one best director at an academy. Well, as an oscar.
Speaker 1And also this movie this movie won Well, it was nominated for so many Oscars. Um had a budget of 1.1 million dollars and made over 200 million. I think it's 225 million and he got a cut of the profit.
Speaker 5Does this um has that's interesting to see like a Sport movie like rocky, to make me think that it won something for director because like would creed win anything like that? Now Do you feel like?
Speaker 1I mean Ryan Coogler, was that nominated for best director? Oh, creed was nominated for.
Speaker 5I feel like I don't really see like a lot of sport movies get nominations, but we don't really get sport movies anymore.
Speaker 1Yeah, we don't get a lot and they're usually all pretty mid and they just kind of copy rocky yeah. I would like to see like every, every single boxy movie you see.
Speaker 4Be like oh so we're just doing, I don't see a lot more if there's gonna be more boxing movies like have like a, like a Mike Tyson type, like what cocky or something or no, just like a black guy. Yeah, creed.
Speaker 1You got the olive film the olive.
Speaker 4Yeah, that one though.
Speaker 1Will Smith is really good in it, but the movie is a little too long. It's Michael Mann who did heat thief and collateral, but Will Smith got a really great that would like it.
Speaker 4They made a Mike Tyson movie, though Fucking.
Speaker 1I think they made a TV show, I think on Hulu or something. No, it's something that came on it's a fun cartoon All right, all right the.
Speaker 4Norma McDonald.
Speaker 1On my whenever I watch Instagram reels, like he pops up all the time on there and he just has this. He always has like a huge long story that it's like, okay, there's gonna be a joke here.
Speaker 4So I have funny.
Speaker 1I know he was hilarious movies. I think he's funny, or he just he'd take like five minutes to tell a story and you'd be like where's the joke in this? And then he just add that last line. You're like this is the funniest thing.
Speaker 5You gotta wait for the delivery. It's kids and see how you say that the reels is just tick-tock and attention span can't hold on for a minute.
Speaker 1It's just because it's the way he talks. It's also just he'll just be saying like the most random, like drawn-out story, and then it just becomes the funniest thing ever because he's a. Freakin genius that joke? Yeah, I guess. So. All right, boys, y'all ready, you're ready to get into the ring? I mean, you know rocky or whatever. Okay, so you know you get the rocky theme over the rocky credits, you know cool giant white letters. Yeah, rocky theme, one of the best themes in the world.
Speaker 5Yeah, I mean it's known.
Speaker 1Come on, it's like the best gets me pumped up. When I used to watch these movies, they used to always come on AMC like the marathon and it'd run for the whole weekend. Nice I'd watch, like all of them in a row, multiple times I'd skip five. I've only seen parts of five. It's just not good.
Speaker 5Which five? Is that the one when he fights a robot?
Speaker 1No, he Fights himself. No, that's four. No, four is the one. There's a robot, but he doesn't fight the robot, he fights the Xenomorph. Paulie just has like a robot house cleaner or something like that. It's.
Speaker 5Oh, that makes I love how you look. That's crazy. There wasn't a robot, it was in the fourth one.
Speaker 1So most people prefer the fourth one, just because it's. That's where it's like oh, rocky is Like campy cheesy. We fight in the Russians. I will break you.
Speaker 5It'd be dice.
Speaker 1Dice because like slowly after two, like three gets a little silly, then four goes all out, then five becomes this weird like street fright trauma with like his kid or whatever, or something street fright like right and then you got rocky Balboa, where he's like I'm open against, do a fight.
Speaker 2How many times get it knocked down.
Speaker 1Alright, so we start off with a small time boxing match with Brock Rock is just taking punches his arms are just behind him. I think, yeah, he's just like getting hit in the face. It's like why don't you put your hands up? Coach wants him to start doing something. Rock gets headbutted and then goes to town on the guy and wins. You just needed it, he just. I guess you just got, get him pissed off. I don't know, he just needed to get a punch to be alright, it's a thing rocky.
Speaker 5What was your childhood like?
Speaker 1This. This seems great though, because it's you know, it's like small-time boxing and it doesn't seem like they really care that as much about the rules, because they're just like straight up Punching each other like well in the corner and in the ropes and stuff.
Speaker 4Yeah, I don't really know the rules of boxing.
Speaker 1Well, you can't headbutt. Yeah, you can't headbutt then, Except that hurts a lot.
Speaker 4Have you ever been headbutted by somebody for real?
Speaker 5by accident, not like headbutted.
Speaker 4My intention, I've done headbutts with objects accidentally, all the time I had but my cat lovingly.
Speaker 1Back just sitting there doing a flying headbutt.
Speaker 5Whatever was the shred? Head at work.
Speaker 1Dude.
Speaker 5That's all I ever did, was it's not like having earmuffs on? Wasn't just not used to like the extra? Not being aware I hit my head so many times.
Speaker 1I bump like my earmuffs and my because my glasses, that we have those protectors on the glasses. So many times I'm turning and just like popping things like I didn't realize that's that close, because my peripheral vision is a little messed up with these things on.
Speaker 5I don't know who. And then my hair and it's always seen a little bit would flick like the crap out of my earmuffs and that was just like an instant of like I'm ready to fight.
Speaker 4That's, yeah, that is fighting words, man.
Speaker 1Do y'all hear that it's a collective?
Speaker 3Coming from the world.
Speaker 1Yeah, we factory workers here, so don't why call her job over here now. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5Don't me cuz. You got a gut theme.
Speaker 1So after the fight Rocky walks out, we hear a woman calling Rocky a bomb. It's kind of the theme of the movie we see back in the locker room his opponent said that Rocky got lucky. We learned that he earned four hundred fifty five dollars but because of all the fees Like shower fee, booking fee, he only made like $40 or $6.
Speaker 5Why do they keep calling Rocky a bomb? Like he's Working, he's fighting. I don't.
Speaker 1It's the way he fights. He's just been fighting for so long and going nowhere. I mean he's he's won 40 fights and like lost 20 or something like that.
Speaker 4I loved his, his coach that was in the corners. I hear you want some advice.
Speaker 2Yeah, he's like just give me the water. This is giving the water I could give you some advice, oh, no, no, I just want to get hit in the face of notes more.
Speaker 5Yeah, so could we say in this moment. With Rocky he had the potential, but no, no coach took the chance on.
Speaker 1If they just did that, he could have been yeah, if Mickey worked with him, he might, he might have been something crapping thunder. Even he's lightning crap and then I crap some thunder later. So Rocky is walking home. We see him playing with some Pete.
Speaker 4That's what it punches the toilet.
Speaker 1Rocky he's. He's playing with some puppies walking home. Some people just laying down some bars on the street. Rocky's very friendly with them. It's got those. Those Hood looms out in the streets of Philadelphia just doing some acapella.
Speaker 5What was the? Because he walked by those people and they offered him. Here he takes a sit and just spits out like why didn't? Then I saw the light of the red. Oh, he's still spitting out blood.
Speaker 4That's the worst urine I've ever had.
Speaker 1But essentially we're just trying to see. They're like oh, he's a good guy, likes puppies, he's friendly with everybody, knows.
Speaker 5I feel like we don't have that anymore. It's like wait, you want to talk in live or on snapchat? Yeah.
Speaker 1You mean, you just don't go to your local street acapella group and just go hang out with them a little bit?
Speaker 5I mean, I know we had that movie Was acapella movie pitch perfect, perfect. Oh, just showed you how annoying they were. It's made them not cool anymore.
Speaker 1So we are in Rocky's apartment. It's pretty beaten down. Rock talks to his turtles and his fish. He practices a speech about turtle food into the mirror and then he starts staring at a picture of a kid.
Speaker 5I was like why is he just saying?
Speaker 1Because every day he goes to Adrian until her joke. And then when he goes lay down and I says his head. Next day we see rock. He's at the pet store. We see Adrian for the first time rock starts trying to make conversation with her about the turtle food. He's trying to get her to laugh. That the weird relationship.
Speaker 5So in that scene I feel like I could tell more in that scene that it felt like she was just like very shy. At first I thought like she was working with her mom, but you could tell even her she was like Rocky need to get out here, stop bothering her, because she distract her. In that moment I felt like it was more of like you could tell she's interested.
Speaker 1It's like if we had that kind of energy in the other scene I would have been like when I threw this you're supposed to see, because he's like constantly like staring at him like she does like him, the other girl, I think it's just like Rocky comes in so much and she's just like, oh my gosh, he's gonna be in here forever telling stupid jokes Plainly. So it's like Adrian go downstairs so he'll get out of here because he annoys me, type of thing, because no one likes Rocky, which is very rude.
Speaker 5What's wrong? He seems like a good guy.
Speaker 1As long as he's like, he doesn't talk to you for too long, but I think it's the one of the things where they're like man, this guy's so dumb I wish you'd get out.
Speaker 5Yeah, there's someone I remember from the old job that reminded me of that, the old don't say name. But it was funny cuz that guy was like oh yeah, like if you watch it, rockies got some Issues, obviously.
Speaker 1So then we see Rocky goes down to just some dogs. He's chasing a guy and threatening him he's collecting money from Because I guess he's like a heavy for a mob guy Gaza, gaza, gaza it's.
Speaker 5Gaza, it's G a Z Z Yo. Okay, who's Gonzo?
Speaker 1You if you don't stop ruining the podcast.
Speaker 5Just shows your lack of.
Speaker 1Muppet knowledge. I know who Gonzo is from the Muppets. You have to be Gonzo. You got that big old nose. So the guy doesn't have enough money, but rock rocks like a lot to break you. Hey, I'll have to break your fingers if you don't get the rest of it, but he doesn't actually do it and then he walks away. So he's a nice guy. He doesn't want to hurt people, did you? He's? About unless he's in the ring.
Speaker 5Well, I don't know what it is about breaking the thumbs, but it cracked me up several swatching season 2 of righteous Jim's.
Speaker 3So you know, John, good, I was like what is with the thumb thing.
Speaker 5I mean, I make sense because I could still do stuff, but I just imagine it because he's holding him to like his arms cross kind of like don't break my thumbs. And it's like John good man, here too.
Mob Guy and Rocky Balboa's Challenges
Speaker 1That show. So he meets with his boss and gets paid by him. Rocks puts on some silly glasses. Nobody puts on those. Glad they're huge like see-through, and he just looks so silly a little bit. Mob guy talks to rock. He's asking why he didn't break the guy's thumb. I just wants him to do what he tells him to do. We're all gets no respect from the driver. He's a complete douche, do he is?
Speaker 5people don't like say that mob guy seems very nice. Like I want you to break it, but don't, don't hurt yourself, rocky, I'm him.
Speaker 4I thought that was kind of a joke, like it didn't seem like it was supposed to be mean. But he said it means like you get the license plate for that truck that ran over your face.
Speaker 1No, that's hilarious. But like he was really upset about it, yeah, because well, because I'm assuming this is like the top of God, it is constantly ribs them for being dumb and guys stuff like that.
Speaker 5Like did you out the scandal about Rocky Balboa being a former worker for the mob and would beat people up?
Speaker 4Sounds legit.
Speaker 1Well, every small time boxer. I think that's just what they did back in the day. I guess what happened was like a daredevil's dad.
Speaker 5He was a boxer and he's always getting paid by like Kingpin and stuff.
Speaker 1Exactly that real life story.
Speaker 5Give you examples and you just hate.
Speaker 1You're about to be gonzo.
Speaker 5Can't even do anything on your own.
Speaker 1Okay, so he. He goes to the boxing gym to train. There's a, and he goes into the locker room. There's a no kissing sign randomly in the background.
Speaker 5It's hilarious real, I did not notice. Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1The first thing I noticed was like huh, no kissing. That's funny, Rocky is struggling to remember his locker combination and they eventually just breaks the lock off and see someone else's stuff in there.
Speaker 5I cracked me up. So I was like okay, Rocky, Are you that dumb you don't know that he puts his combination in his hat and he just wears it around.
Speaker 1We learned that do Mickey bag, doll his stuff and put it on skid row, and we learned that Rocky's been there for like six years.
Speaker 5I still is like man he's a dick. Yeah, he is, but he don't take no crap man.
Speaker 1I mean, hey, if you got to, like you know, teach boxers how to do, you got to have some tough skin and you know he's also was a boxer and probably is missing half his brain cells. So, yes, so Rocky talks to Mick make, tells Rocky that a contender needed his locker. Mick thinks he's a bum and that he should think about retiring. You're a bum.
Speaker 5Poor rock. And that guy in the ring was like I really like you, locker.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 1Nice space some nice real real estate there.
Speaker 5Never see him again.
Speaker 1Yeah. So Rocky goes back to see Adrian. It's like later that night Rock is trying to ask Adrian out but she isn't Talking at all because she's very shy. He tries to walk her home but she refuses. He goes to bar to meet Polly. There's a drunk guy outside the bar and he's like, picks him up and hey, you're drunk too hang out.
Speaker 5I don't know why people calling you a bum.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's like he's not smart enough to be mean. Well, you know what hates on him for also think he just has like a lot of sympathy, very sympathetic guy, like whenever he yells at someone he's immediately like, oh shit, I've done that. It's a see, let us. I think, sympathy and empathy. We learn that Polly is Adrian's brother. He's complaining about Adrian not accepting rocks advances. It's like our body's gonna dry up. Here we go. Yeah, we can say you don't say anything about rock because the true villain of this movie is Polly.
Speaker 5Yes, he was off.
Speaker 1A villain in like every single Movie.
Speaker 5I just kept seeing him like man Rocky, just lay him out once because Paulie is super mean about a sister.
Speaker 1He thinks she's a loser. Paulie wants to work with for rocks boss scato. Paulie invites rock over for Thanksgiving. It's like oh, adrien, oh yeah, yeah, she knows you're coming.
Speaker 4She's super excited.
Speaker 5I didn't know that he tried to take her out on a date on Thanksgiving dude well, I think all it was supposed to be was just.
Speaker 1I thought it was supposed to be. They're coming over for Thanksgiving dinner, but Paulie just wanted, I guess, the house alone.
Speaker 5You're talking about like. I couldn't get married cuz you like who you gonna marry.
Speaker 1I love that scene, though. Whenever Adrien's, it's like what is he projecting?
Speaker 5his own problems.
Speaker 1Yeah, pretty much he's just blaming everything on her, even though she kind of is running the entire.
Speaker 4House together.
Speaker 1Paul is yelling at her constantly. So we see on the TV at the bar we see Apollo Creed. Creed has a championship match coming up. Be a thinker, not a stinker. Bar keep thanks. Creed is a clown and rocks takes offense because he's the champion. Got to respect the champion.
Speaker 5Why would you think he's a clown?
Boxing and Rocky's Date With Adrian
Speaker 4You can still be a clown.
Speaker 1Well, it's it's just the classic thing of like number one People be like oh man, the fighters back in the day, they were the real stuff. I mean, people say that now about you know, like Mike Tyson and stuff, like oh, that was the good days, that was when we actually had boxers. It's just well.
Speaker 1I mean, now boxing is kind of becoming like a dead sport and like you, see is took over when, like, youtubers Are now the main draw to like boxing and stuff, which is well, especially after like Mayweather kind of got out, I do. You don't ever hear about boxing unless it's like the youtubers doing, which is weird.
Speaker 5Oh my god, that's what you're talking about.
Speaker 1Yeah. So on his way home he sees a girl hanging out with some rat scallions. He tells her to come with her because she's too young and cussing too much. She's trying to be insert, not to talk bad and not smoke, says he doesn't want her to become a whore. And then, after all this, it's like this I need.
Speaker 5Didn't call her horse like he's just certain glow. You don't want to know. Respect.
Speaker 1He's saying like, hey, you know, there's this girl that look on you. Back in the day she talked like that and they're all just gonna eventually think that you're a whore because of the way that you talk.
Speaker 5I thought that was a big leap. Just to be like she's just being a little crass and I was like he's just makes you a whore. Well, it's just, I don't know. It's like his reason was like they're not gonna take you serious and you want a serious boyfriend. They don't take you serious. I gotta stop trying to keep.
Speaker 1By love it cuz. After this whole thing she's like, okay, rocky, she gets up to her thing. Hey, rocky, screw you creepo. Oh, just cuz that part where the Michael Myers jobs pass real fast. Hey creepo speed kills.
Speaker 1It just reminded me of that. So we're with Creed now for the first time. His championship matches Cancel because the contender broke his hand. They need a new contender. They have no one for him to fight. But Apollo Creed comes up with an idea to have a local fighter to fight, as a novelty Promoter loves it. Creed is a very smart entertainer, but he's also a little too cocky.
Speaker 5So the guy couldn't fight cuz he broke his hand. Mm-hmm wonder if he was punching raw meat, rocky, and break his hand.
Speaker 1They would have said he broke his hand.
Speaker 3Okay, not everybody just breaks their hand all the time.
Speaker 1Rocky's got some Bum hands, you know there's there they're just nothing but like swollen welts on them.
Speaker 4So he doesn't feel it on a dried leather and so Rockies with his mob boss.
Speaker 1He's confusing his Like the hits that he's supposed to go take, cuz he writes everything down. He's like so I gotta do this for this guy, this for that guy. He's like, no, it's completely wrong. But then the boss hears about his date with Adrian that night and I put date in quotations. Yes, the driver insults Adrian. It's okay, she's special, you should take her to the zoo because special people like zoos. And so we're back with Creed. Creed is looking for his next contender. They're like looking through a book of like fighters or whatever, and we learn that creed he's just looking for a good name to put on the poster to sell a fight. He finds Rockies Like.
Speaker 1I could kill that guy yeah yeah, this guy, you know I've lost like 20 matches. I should be all right with him, but we learned that Rocky is called the Italian stallion. Apollo Creed meets the Italian stallion sounds like a damn monster movie, I love it.
Speaker 2That's a great.
Speaker 5Porn actor.
Speaker 1Oh, um. Hey, Jason, did you know that Sylvester Stallone was in porn before doing rock?
Speaker 4Oh yeah, that's right, I saw I've never seen him in porn, but I saw someone that only did like one movie. Yeah Well, I saw a porn, my very first porn I ever watched. It was a guy named Ram Bone.
Speaker 1Well, that's like you specifically.
Speaker 4Is this all the bush hair and like it was definitely from the 70s.
Speaker 1Something I never want to see Sylvester Stallone in a porno, that's for sure.
Speaker 2Nice couch.
Speaker 1So Rocky is going over to Polly's. Polly is still pushing rock to work for his boss probably keeps telling Rocky that Adrian knows he's coming when he gets there. It's obvious she had no idea. Yeah, um, because she's like super late, I'm not even, I'm not even prepared for company. So Polly is pushing her to go out. He's a complete dick to her. Adrian says she can't go because she has a turkey in the oven. So what does he do? Takes the turkey and literally she's about to cry.
Speaker 5I felt so bad for her, like wow.
Speaker 4I know like bear-handed taking a turkey out of a hot house.
Speaker 5Turkey for us on Thanksgiving, oh, oh, and you just do that out of me, so mad, you right, and so for this scene.
Speaker 1Like their budget was so low and they were running out of money, so whenever he throws it out there, there's like three people there Waiting to catch it, just in case they need to reuse it. So it was a real turkey. Yeah, it's a real turkey.
Speaker 4Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1She cries and then she runs to her room. You got Polly with a giant turkey leg. Yeah, I'm only gonna assuming probably needed another hour to cook yeah. Polly tells him to tell her a joke. He tries his best. Yo, adrian, it's me Rocky. He said they're like tickling the door with his finger.
Speaker 4I think it was. It was great Rocky at first. He was like at first he did the right thing. He's like maybe I should go, ready, he should have punched Polly, but whatever. Yeah, he's like maybe I should go. She's not, you know, he's the ball. He's like no, do it. And he's like okay.
Speaker 1Let me just go ramble a buyer until she's like all right, I guess it's going out. But I mean she wants to go out with the rock.
Speaker 5I think she's just upset this moment. He could see it.
Speaker 1This is like she didn't know right, so she's kind of upset. This is supposed to be like.
Speaker 4It's kind of sweet that he did get her out of.
Speaker 1But if she truly didn't want to go.
Speaker 5She probably would have stayed in a room, but we're supposed to feel like also like Rocky's characters, like trying to keep Polly away from that Life to you. I don't want you to do. That's why I'm not introducing you to yeah, exactly because.
Speaker 1I mean he just get killed, yeah, immediately. But yeah, so Rocky's being shy, feels weird about all this. He's bashfully asking her out through the door. I don't know. I just feel like it's a really great performance by him. At this point You're really just seeing the. I don't know. You're seeing another version of rock here when it's like he just I don't know, he's weak, I don't know.
Speaker 4Vulnerable. He's vulnerable.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1Even like with a shy girl. That like literally that stands no threat to him. It's like it's intimidating. So they're off on their day. Adrian is very shy. They go to a skating rink and it's closed. He talks to the Zamboni driver to convince him to let him on the ice for ten minutes he gives the guy ten dollars for ten minutes and I love throughout the film, like it's almost like a one-shot, but it seems like every 30 seconds the guy's like, alright, three minutes.
Speaker 4Yeah, that's so no ten seconds later.
Speaker 1All right, we're, you're done. It's like dude chill and they're trying to skate it's.
Speaker 5Thanksgiving day. I don't blame him for wanting to get out of there.
Speaker 4Oh shoot he's what kind of psychopath walks. Why didn't he just get some skates?
Speaker 1He can't skate, so he's got a run on the ice. He did he.
Speaker 5So weird, doesn't want to embarrass, he doesn't want to fall and then possibly break his hand and I'll be able to Guess.
Speaker 4Yeah, he said it's bad for his weak ankles or something.
Speaker 1Yeah, he's got. No, he can't. He doesn't have good footwork, so but yeah, we see Adrian skating and Rocky's just running on the ice. It's very funny. We learned that all Rocky wanted to do was to prove that he's a good pro. He says that he struggled getting fights because he was a Southpaw, which means he's left-handed, essentially.
Speaker 4I Love how, also, whenever they're, the guys calling out the minutes Lays are counting down and they just like seem to walk or a little and skate a little bit faster, like I get all the Day we can't in ten minutes go go.
Speaker 5We also have to talk faster. All right, we've been on a date.
Speaker 1But they're like kind of Adrian falls a little bit and then we see that Rocky dislocated his finger and it pops in and out and it's crazy. He tells her that his father said that he doesn't have much of a brain, so he needed to use his body. And Adrian's mother told her that the opposite, that she doesn't have much of a body, so she's got to use her brains. The wrong way.
Speaker 2Hey, how about that? We're perfect, matt. I got the body, you get the brain.
Rocky and Adrian's Relationship Develops"
Speaker 1They are walking the streets. Now. Rocky brings up her shyness. We make a real sharp couple of coconuts.
Speaker 2I'm dumb, you're shy. I.
Speaker 4Just feel like I'm gonna win Oscar for my performance today.
Speaker 1So Adrian doesn't understand why anybody wants to fight. He says you have to be a real bum to do it. He says the worst part of fighting is the morning after. And then we start seeing Rocky is inviting her inside, but she's not sure if she wants to go. She's like I'm not gonna go up. But then eventually she goes in. He's like what choice do you have?
Speaker 4She could have walked. I mean, she could have just walked home.
Speaker 5Yeah, yeah, at night.
Speaker 1She does that every day for a job.
Speaker 5She's not that far away, though we don't know that you still don't. It's rude, it's still the education.
Speaker 1You say the paces.
Speaker 5You can go home. If you want, you can go home she walks home by herself every day after a job. It's not good, though you still want to like. You're there already walking with her and it's already laid out anything's giving, so she's out on alone and there's just those Rap scallions who come around that corner, start acapella in her she, she could end up in trouble.
Speaker 4That's true.
Speaker 2You had a whole life in front of you. Now you're singing acapella. You could have been something. Now you hear other streets is a bum.
Speaker 1Our voices are getting worse that day.
Speaker 3That's compression.
Speaker 1So he's trying to convince her to come up. It come in and that she can trust them. She's hasn't, didn't? Lee decides to come in. They're inside. Adrienne's looking at all the mess in his apartment. We learned that he bought his turtles the first day Adrienne started working at the pet store. Boy been playing that long game it's talking all about. He invites her to sit on the couch. It's a nice couch. I don't know she is hesitant, but she wants to.
Speaker 1She, she's hesitant but she also wants to. But she's just kind of too shy and bashful. Adrienne sees his kid picture that rock was looking at at the beginning, except first we're like, oh, is this like his younger brother that died or something is it him. It's obviously him, but Adrienne wants to call Pauly to tell her where she is. Tell him where she is. He yells out the window hey.
Speaker 2Pauly Adrienne's. Over here we're walking here, adrienne.
Speaker 1Adrienne says she doesn't belong here. Um, she Says she doesn't know him well enough. She tries to leave but he blocks the door. He starts talking sweet to her and he eventually kisses her and she starts kissing back. Creepy but also kind of sweet mainly because you can tell she is into him, but she is shy.
Speaker 4It's like this is this is happening. You can kiss back if you want.
Speaker 5And then she's like well, I have to, I'm gonna get punched out by a boxer.
Speaker 1I don't think he would have done anything. He's too nice of a guy to do.
Speaker 5Oh no, he just blocked her from leaving. She says I don't think I belong here, I need to go. I need to go. No, come on, come on, come on.
Speaker 1No, it really is Like I think, if, if it wasn't, if it wasn't for the scenes later with them two together, it would have. It would have this would be.
Speaker 4She has to be forced out of being shy.
Speaker 1No, I just think. I just think she's like I don't know. She's like oh, Rocky's a good guy.
Speaker 4Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1The next time you see the two together, it's like it's great.
Speaker 5It just that seems to not pull off over me. I.
Speaker 4Would have kissed them to just get out of there.
Speaker 5Exactly that's what you're trying to do.
Speaker 1And she's.
Speaker 5Italian stallions like maybe I will stay now, I think.
Speaker 1I think as soon as she kiss you like oh, hell yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah, she's just playing bashful.
Speaker 5She's actually a freak. Yeah, you've ever had a whole salami?
Speaker 1No, but definitely if they, I feel like it, they they could have made it a little less creepy or make her a little more.
Speaker 4No actually like I want to see what a punch them in the balls. That would have been great.
Speaker 5I told you I want to leave, like.
Speaker 1Just like kicks them in the balls, and then they like stare at each other and that's what he needed.
Speaker 2So here tinged it.
Speaker 1Rock goes back to the gym and he learns that Mickey's looking for him because he has something for him. Mick says Creed needs a sparring partner. Make starts yelling at him though, as he was like walking away. Rock wants to know why he doesn't like him. Rock.
Speaker 2I've been coming here for six years. In six years You've been sticking it to me and I want to know how come God, it's getting so bad. You don't want to know, rocky, no, I want to know how come you want to know, I Want to know. Okay, I'm gonna tell you yeah, the talent to become a good fighter, but instead of that you become a leg breaker to some cheat second rate you loan shock. Yeah, I mean it's a living. It's a living, it's a waste of life.
Speaker 4Oh, that's good, so good getting raspier the what rock.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's good, everything's getting worse. There's also all kind of coming together. It's the same voice, just raspier. He visits the promoters office. Rocky thinks he's there to be a sparring partner, but the promoter tells him it's for the championship match. Rocky says no because he doesn't think it will be a good fight. Promoter says that America is the land of opportunity and this is Rocky's chance. I mean, come on, this is a great setup.
Speaker 5It is awesome, good, but it's also like.
Speaker 1I'm straight up.
Speaker 5Well, it's like the Liberty Day, like I mean the whole like marketing thing, for it was great but it realistically like this dude's going for Ronald.
Speaker 1Hey, you never know, some people just don't get their chance. Some people also want it more, because I mean, once we get to the fight later, creed thinks is gonna be a cakewalk. He's playing around with him and then he quickly gets hit in the face. He's like oh crap. This guy can hit hard, yeah, he.
Speaker 5Underestimated him and yeah, that whole, like your big boss and you never forget, like, even though you're the top dog, there's always gonna be another one to come take that spot yeah exactly, exactly so we see on TV.
Speaker 1Creed says anybody has a chance to win. Rocky, adrian and Polly they're all watching together. Adrian seems very close and comfortable with rock. Now Rocky is also on TV with Apollo. He's very humble. We learned that rock came up with the name Italian stallion himself when asked about the money. Rock doesn't seem to care and on TV shouts out Adrian. That's like the only time he's like seems like he cared. Hey, can I see something? My girl, hey.
Speaker 2Adrian.
Speaker 5On TV and policy here.
Speaker 1Yeah, he's all pissy. Polly says they're making fun of him and making them look like a fool. Rock says it doesn't bother him. Polly wants to help train. But rock says he wants to do it alone because they also bring up how much money he's gonna win even if he loses. And immediately Polly's like.
Speaker 3I mean well yeah exactly.
Speaker 1Adrian is in full support of the rock, the rock, the rock. My bad, this is upsetting Polly because he's a drunk and he starts to yell at both of them. It's like just don't want to his. He fittings and truly then goes back to his back room. Rocky is starting to leave. Adrian and rock. They share kind of a sweet moment outside. Rock then confesses that you know what that stuff? There's it, old TV.
Speaker 2It did bother me.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's like oh snap this boy.
Speaker 2So, Rocky.
Speaker 1He's with his mob boss Bersh. He gives him $500 for training expenses and it's like wow, is this my boss actually like a good guy? I was like he's dad man, he just wants to be part of this remember first time I watched this was like, oh, he's gonna ask him to throw the fight, or something. Yeah, I'm sure you put money on them? I don't think. Yeah. He say like do you?
Speaker 5think you'll last, or do you what he? I thought he mentioned something that made me think he was gonna put a Bet, like on Rocky, but like for he did say something. It's like it was like he seems like he wasn't. Like I think you should throw the fight, cuz I don't know when, but he's. I mean I think he was gonna bet for Rocky.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't know, I should have probably around that and just kind of like really deep, deep dive into it, but I had a problem with the way Rocky grabbed the money in the very beginning.
Speaker 4Yeah cuz it was really. It was like he fused this whole fist to grab.
Speaker 5Oh, we can't open his hand. All the way squished it.
Speaker 2It was a joke, bro.
Speaker 1He does in the later films nice wonder why.
Rocky's Training and Relationship With Mickey
Speaker 1So we cut to Mickey. Going up to Rocky's apartments, mickey is acting a little more polite towards rock now. Mickey is warning him that Rocky needs to be very careful with his fight because he may not get another chance. Mickey wants to be his manager because he was. He has been doing it for 50 years. Mick keeps trying to convince him, though, and Rockies is like it's kind of ignoring him and not really believing him. He's you can tell he's still, but heard about the whole locker thing. Don't blame him. Rocky then brings up the fact that he has no locker. Mickey keeps trying to convince him, though. He tells him all the horror stories he had without a manager. He wants to give him all his knowledge. But I want a locker right.
Speaker 2If you just give him a look, I'd be into he can.
Speaker 5He has a right because, I mean to be fair, he's only there because he sees Rocky at the end, but you could tell he actually cared about him. It's just I don't know. I guess it's more of like well he's. He probably started hating him more when he was like he became a bruiser and I don't want that.
Speaker 1No, I truthfully I just think that makes this kind of trying to Grab on to anybody that he thinks can you know, fight, be a contender. He only cares if he has a chance and this is a chance.
Speaker 5I guess it wasn't like the cliche of, like you could tell, because I usually those movies you're like you know what, I don't need you well for him.
Speaker 1For the Mickey it's just as much as him trying to prove that he still can be a good trainer.
Speaker 3I feel like yeah and it's gonna help his gym.
Speaker 1It was like, oh, I gotta go with the guy that's gonna trade the Italian's alien. So Rocky says he needs his. He needed his help ten years ago and Mick wouldn't help. Mickey leaves and rock starts shouting.
Speaker 2Took you long enough to give. Took you ten years to get to my house. This is getting terrible. What's the matter? No, it's Just.
Speaker 1Yeah, but there's this huge thing. It's a really great monologue. He's just really yelling at him.
Speaker 2You want to move in here with me? Come on in. It's a nice house, real nice.
Speaker 5I think you just wanted to vent it out. Once he got it all out, it's like oh yeah.
Speaker 1I don't know, it's great, but this is where you can be like oh, this guy could be a good actor. Great, he's more than just a yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's got, he's got, he's got some power.
Speaker 5I wonder if, like how? So I feel like when karate came out, karate got like strong popularity. I wonder if boxing did like Rocky did, the same thing for boxing.
Speaker 1Well, boxing, is this kind of this always kind of been popular.
Speaker 4Because you got Joe.
Speaker 1Frazier and Muhammad Ali, and I feel like places George Foreman, like Philadelphia, are kind of.
Speaker 4it's has more of a boxing scene, I guess.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's more like NASCAR. Yeah, punch with cars.
Speaker 3NASCAR are wrestling.
Speaker 1There's like every small town has like a wrestling venue and it's like what I Love it. So, rocky, then you know, immediately, as Mickey's walking outside just going home, rocky Does what he always does feels bad immediately and goes outside, shakes his hand like, hugs them and stuff, and now they're gonna be training and and so now we get some of the. I mean we haven't got to the best part of the training yet, but we're getting his first day of training. It's 4 am. The next morning Rocky gets up to start training. He drinks five raw eggs. So gross, it's all over his face, it's all over his shirt. He's gonna be smelling.
Speaker 1You know he doesn't clean that suit.
Speaker 3It looks disgusting.
Speaker 1He goes out for a run. We see him run up the classic Rocky steps, but he's struggling. I'm just so full of eggs, Raw eggs, beer cigarettes and it's great because, like the music's very low-key here. It's very sad you have them wholeness, like ribs and it's just. It's just feeding you for wanting that classic Rocky Training montage.
Speaker 5Yeah, only five weeks to get in shape for this fight.
Speaker 1Bro, it's a move. He's been training his whole life fighting you, just he. He has the drive and motivation, just wants to push this through his face to win. Here's something to prove. That's the difference between Apollo and Rocky. Rocky has something to prove.
Speaker 5Well, to be fair, if this is how Rocky was like, if it's like, yeah, if he just did the training the whole time, he would have been great then, yeah. That's what held you up. For ten years was just doing some cardio man. Yeah, he needed the motivation.
Speaker 1He just didn't have the motivation. No one was with him. He was just a bum living in a crappy apartment talking to dogs and eggs.
Speaker 1Yeah, now he can afford eggs. So he goes to Polly's meat locker. Polly is still trying to get a job with the mob boss. Polly brings up Adrian. He wants to know how it's going between them. Polly says he doesn't understand why, what Rocky is into Adrian and eventually ask if he's balling around. Rocky says this is he like he shouldn't talk to her about, he shouldn't talk to her about. She didn't talk about her this way and he doesn't want to get him the job with the mob boss because he's got a big mouth. Polly starts punching the meat and then this gives rock the idea and he was wanting to intimidate him and he starts hitting the meat really hard. Polly is definitely a little scared.
Speaker 5He's like he's breaking the ribs.
Speaker 2He's breaking the ribs, so now he can't fight because his hands are broken.
Speaker 1No they're not. It's just lower the quality of that I don't know if you ever, like, touched frozen meat. You gotta tenderize the meat bro.
Speaker 4I know, but like Gray, the grades of meat. I don't know if you're seeing God damn it. Hills, hills advice. No, anyway, we can just continue meat. If it's got like spots on it. It's it's, the grade is lower.
Speaker 1Oh gosh, yeah, now absolutely.
Speaker 4So if he's punching like great F meat, yeah, I might lower it to an E, which is good enough for Taco Bell, but we really should keep this guy away from the meat.
Speaker 1You know my meats great at D plus, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 4These good degrees.
Speaker 1Because, like you know Me, you can call your penis like a dick and I can.
Speaker 5Do we get live demonstrations?
Speaker 1Yeah well, sure, maybe just not right now though.
Speaker 5Oh, yeah, I don't want anybody seeing. Yeah, I don't want, I don't want the audience here when it hits the ground.
Speaker 3So he goes.
Speaker 1So he goes to Adrian, she's taking care of them, she's trying to fool around a little bit because girl won it. But Rocky says there's no training, there's no fooling around during trailing training. So she's like I'll go make you, says food or something feels bad, and then goes to Adrian and apologize it, and so it's like a pretty cute scene, cuz she comes out, she's like but you Something in me right now.
Speaker 1It's okay, and then they hug. But you can just see that Rocky's getting like more nervous and scared and he's just he's having that doubt creep in. We see Rocky at the gym. Mickey is giving him training tips. He's working with his footwork. Mick tells them to stay away from Adrian because women weaken legs.
Speaker 4Oh well, she comes out like with eggs on her nipples, kind of like.
Speaker 1No, it's so. This is a classic thing. That's in boxing movies. It's where it's like yeah, you don't want, you're not supposed to have sex, like then.
Speaker 2Right makes you yeah.
Speaker 1Well, it's because you want to. If you're gonna drop your load, you want to do it in the ring. Yes, all right. So Rocky's starting to get noticed. Adrian is waiting at his apartment. She has a surprise and it's butt kiss and it's great, it's his dog, it's his real dog's name is butt kiss.
Speaker 5Oh yeah, those, I like those as actual dog. Do you notice, after he gets it, his training is like oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, come on, I get that. I don't think that that dog's a big dog, I don't think it would not. So Rocky now runs with butt kiss. While going to Polly's to train he sees a news van. Polly is trying to get some publicity for his own meat shop. The news woman wants to do an interview with rock. We see Polly keeps trying to pop his head into the interview and it's really that explains the neck seems so much more.
Speaker 5I missed that part. Needed captions.
Speaker 1Now we are with the Paul's gang. They are watching Rocky on TV because the news lady is like hey, won't you punch his meter, or whatever.
Speaker 5Feel like that was a very graphic thing to show, because he's punching and, you know, blood is like yeah, it's awesome, that's what I want to see on the news.
Speaker 3That's the news from.
Speaker 5I would prefer that over the current.
Speaker 1CNN should just be a bunch of videos of people.
Speaker 4It's just a second. That's somebody punching the meat.
Speaker 1So, like now, we're gonna go to glc where we have local Person Punching blocks of cheese. That would hurt.
Speaker 4Yeah, you're punching the cheese.
Speaker 5At least the meat gives away that cheese don't yeah.
Speaker 1So they're watching rock on TV. It's mainly just his like right hand man, apollo's, right hand man Apollo's. He's like, hey, you should like watch your guy fight on TV because he's getting worse. He's seeing him hit hard. So Apollo is more concerned about the publicity and stuff, though. He's like sending like 200 roses to people and things like that. Creed's friend tries to get him to watch, but he doesn't care. And now it's Christmas time. Where's it running? Right along.
Speaker 1Polly is super drunk coming home. He's like fumbling with the trash, can? He's like picking up dumping. It's like, dude, just leave the trash. Right now Rock and Adrian are talking about Polly behind his back and kind of insulting him and just being like he's just like I don't know what he wants me to do, I can't bring him around anybody, cuz he's kind of crazy. Polly over here is and starts making a scene. He's he's trying to kick him out. Polly grabs a bat and it starts hitting him. He yells at Adrian saying she should be taking care of him, but Adrian finally stands up for herself and starts yelling at him Saying she does everything for him and doesn't don't owe him anything. It's like what?
Speaker 5do you want from me?
Speaker 1Yeah, she, that was her Oscar scene, for sure. He then says she is busted because she isn't a virgin anymore. And then Rocky pushes them down like bro. I could literally punch your lights out in one hit.
Speaker 4Why is her brother so worried about her virginity?
Speaker 5He's just like he's projecting like all his problems on her.
Speaker 1He's just trying to make her feel bad yeah he's a bad guy. So he goes to check Rocky, checks on Adrian and as soon as he walks in, adrian, do you want a roommate?
Speaker 2Yeah, just like. We should probably figure out how to split the ring. Like you all feed kuff, you feed link.
Speaker 1So we cut the rocky. He's training with Mick, and this is where we get the classic line you're gonna eat lightning and you're gonna. That one hurt oh, and then we also meet his cut guy, which is gonna gives us a classic.
Speaker 5Cut me, mick. Oh yeah, you gotta cut me. I can't see, yeah.
Speaker 1So Polly comes and visits rock and tells him that he wants to advertise rock so that he can make some money himself. And then this is classic Rocky right Like oh, polly, the night before Really shitty guys said a lot of really bad things, but he's a people-pleaser and he immediately like okay, you can make some money off my name, whatever you know.
Speaker 5If you.
Speaker 1If you know how to do it, you can do it. He's just like the ultimate, like he's just he doesn't want anybody to be mad at him.
Speaker 5He's just kind of because he's an angry drunk and when he gets drunk at night is when he goes off and he knows about it and he knows that like oh like he, polly, needs me More.
Speaker 1Yes, yeah, so.
Speaker 4I think it's trying to help him out.
Speaker 1It's just you know Rocky, good old boy. Then we get the classic training montage. It love it. We're getting the. It's not getting stronger.
Speaker 5I think it's like go going high now it's like it's not gonna fly now. I think it's going fun.
Speaker 1I was the name of the song.
Speaker 4It's the song from Ghostbusters like.
Speaker 1No, but this scene is great. Everyone he sees is cheering him and he's able to make it up the steps that he struggled with earlier. He's freaking electric had. Like every time I see this, it just gives me chills. Yeah, it takes me back to being a kid, just being like I'm gonna be a boxer, wang like. But I joined the military I was.
Speaker 4I was not running one one day and I just by myself and my wife pulls up behind me playing eye of the tiger.
Speaker 1So back at his apartment we see his place decorated and Adrian is living there. It's like all nice and Christmassy. He is visiting the ring and then so he wakes up the next, like later that night, and he goes to visit the ring when he's going to fight. He walks around the ring and then stares at his picture. The promoter shows up and rock tells him his poster is wrong because he, his shorts are white with a red stripe, even though on the poster it's red with a white stripe. Rock is worried. This scene shows that he doesn't think he's gonna win because people don't care enough to even get His shorts right. Oh dang. So he's just like, hurts I. It's just making him feel like, oh, like I have no chance in this.
Speaker 5It's got some depth to him.
Speaker 1Yeah, he goes back to his apartment and tells Adrian that he can't do it. He can't win. He says that he is a nobody and then it doesn't matter if he loses the fight. Rock says he just wants to go the distance with him because nobody ever has with Creed. He doesn't want to just be another bomb from the neighborhood. Yeah, it's fight night.
Speaker 4Yeah, I thought box matches only went to the third, like 13. I thought it was 12.
Speaker 5I thought it was. It might have been 15, but I think. I think at some point thought we talked about it, maybe you're somebody. I think they were 15, but then they condensed it to a few more, like 12, but they were a little bit longer because, like it's so funny when you see Anyone who's not a boxer, like the UFC people who like.
Speaker 5I can take these boxers and they go in. They're fucking gas, because USC is about quick takedowns and theirs about like you, because they can take punches, yeah. And those gloves, even though you still get hurt, they're still cushioning it so you can go a lot longer, yeah cuz it in.
Speaker 1Conor McGregor fight, play what Lloyd Mayweather.
Speaker 5He did alright, but he, like he there come, it went when we watch, you think it's.
Speaker 1You think it'd be easier for a UFC person become a Boxer? Do you think it's easier for a boxer to become a UFC person?
Speaker 4Probably the UFC to become a boxer that's gonna get the endurance.
Speaker 1I just think like there's like a difference between getting I don't know his weight class.
Speaker 5He was kind of like I thought he's bigger than me.
Speaker 1With her, I couldn't remember cuz, he's a lightweight Floyd. Mayweather. Floyd Mayweather was like a yeah, one of the lighter.
Speaker 5It was heavyweight champion right.
Speaker 4Mayweather was, is not a heavyweight?
Speaker 1Yeah, definitely not, just don't, just don't tell him that. He'll knock us out just by staring at us, cuz he could probably hit you with a bag of money.
Speaker 5Yeah, mental projections of boxing gloves.
Speaker 1Yeah, but something I love about boxing movies is when they tape up and they're so good cuz it's so like nerve-wracking I couldn't imagine being.
Speaker 5I do watch how they actually like when they take like. I watched taping is like man. I was like it looks so cool, but God, that's so much work.
Speaker 1I know it's so much tape and like you I mean you know you can't move your hand for that.
Speaker 5It's just meant to be that like patting, and then you put gloves on.
Speaker 1It's like you know, it's like whenever, like a football player, gets injured on the field and they roll their ankle. It's like they just tape it up so much where it's like your ankle can't move now. So Rocky's getting taped up and so is Apollo they. They are both doing the pre-fight warm-ups. Adrian says she will wait in the locker room. How about us, the new, go fight? He compliments her and then does the classic rock thing about talking about things that don't matter, like his robe being too baggy. It's fight time. His interest is small and quiet. Barely can hear the music. Then Creed comes out with this crazy interest Dresses George Washington crossing the Delaware.
Speaker 1Promoter and when he gets in the ring he's dressed as Uncle Sam. Oh you. You and I want you pointing at rock, and then he's like Creed in three, because he is a Uh entertainer. He's a big guy, he can back it up too. That's why I love it, you can back it up with it.
Speaker 5I kind of like it.
Speaker 1It's like man car weather's. You know what he does he eats lightning. The guy's electric, and you know he farts loud.
Speaker 4That's why it's cholesterol spiking. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1So Match is about to start. Promoter introduces Joe Fraser, who's like a popular boxer Um the classic Muhammad Ali down goes Fraser, down goes Fraser. Um, but Joe and him, and so Joe and Apollo, they kind of have like a cute interaction because Joe's like when's my fight? It's like you want to fight, you want to fight Uh car weather's so good God.
Speaker 1So I was like the second one, like it's that one's really good too, because it's just these two fighting again and it's just like I don't know. These two personalities are great off each other. So they're introducing the fighters. We see a bar watching on and everybody cheering them on when they call Rocky's name. Then they introduce Apollo and he's kind of getting a mixed reaction. And then you have Creed. He's trying to go um Rocky a little bit. It's great. And then ding, ding, the fight is on.
Speaker 4Ding ding.
Speaker 1Rocky, of course, is just taking shot after shot as always, no kissing boys. Then you got Rock. He's trying to throw out haymakers but he's missing all the shots. But then, uh, he finally hits um Creed really hard, knocks him straight down and he's like he doesn't get up to like a count of six or seven. Everybody starts cheering.
Speaker 5I mean, that's exactly what I have.
Speaker 1Oh, we learned that it's the first time that Apollo Creed has ever been knocked down. And now Creed is starting to get a little more serious. Creed starts taking it to him, then Rock counters it's a back and forth thing. Then Creed knocks him down at the bell. Adrian listens on worried, like you see him in the background, and then we go to the corner of Rocky's corner. Mick, your nose is broken.
Speaker 3It's an improvement. I'm just complaining.
Speaker 1I lost that voice. So in Creed's corner, like his right head man is like. It's like, look, he's not here to be entertaining, he's fighting. Like this is an actual fight, not like you are. It's like like you need to start fighting now, man. I don't know what I wrote my sentence.
Speaker 2That sentence was wacky I wrote down here I must have been not looking at the computer while typing that in.
Speaker 1So now we're at round two. Rocky is just taking punches but not going down. Then Rock starts taking over. We cut past multiple rounds. Rocky is lasting the whole time and taking shot after shot. Both men look terrible. Now it's great. Rock gets knocked down and Mick is telling him to stay down. But then we see Adrian. She runs out and starts watching on while Rock and then Rock gets up. Rock gets some good shots on Creed's ribs and he's hurting. Now they're like at the bell. Rocky can't see out of his eye. This is where we get the cut. Cut me, nick, cut me. And then I guess Apollo has internal bleeding. He's like hey, you're bleeding under there, dude, and his corner wants to stop the fight, but he refuses. And then Rock says the same thing. Now we're at the final round. They both are looking like zombies. Rock is focusing on his right ribs and Creed is spitting out blood. Now he looks to be going down, but the bell rings. Creed says there won't be no rematch and Rocky says I don't want one.
Speaker 4Oh yeah, such a good, it's a great fight, right, yeah, it's a pretty innovative fight.
Speaker 1Not a lot of boxing matches actually went into the ring. The first one to do it was Raging Bull, martin Scorsese's film, but this one kind of upped the ante a little bit. And you know, I think they ended up training for this for nearly 30 to 50 hours, this whole fight, and they were trying to like choreograph the moves with some choreographers or whatever you say it, but it wasn't working out. So they fired them just because they were struggling with it. So they had Sylvester Stallone. You'd be like all right, right out every single aspect of this fight, from where he moves, where you move, everything. And you wrote like 36 pages of this. Wow, holy crap. And they learned it in like a few weeks.
Speaker 4That's awesome.
Speaker 1And so the match is over. Rocky the Rocky theme starts kicking in. They try to interview him and he's just yelling. Adrian Jesse's trying not to tear up.
Speaker 1She's trying to make her way to the ring, we hear that there is a split decision and Creed wins the match. Rocky doesn't care and just wants Adrian. Paulie sneaks her into the ring. It's like his one redeeming quality in this whole thing. They say they love each other and it's the end, literally whenever I was watching them, just because the fight it pumps me up so much. That was such an awesome one and it's like he's doing so well and you're just so proud of the guy. He's been nice the whole time and you're like you know he shouldn't win because he literally just took 5,000 hits to the head. And it's like you can't win if you take that many punches. Even though all the haymakers he landed were great. It's like he doesn't know when to stop. But then it's like this is when you realize like, oh, this was a love story the whole time. Oh man, because all he cared about was this girl, adrian.
Speaker 2No way, Adrian.
Speaker 5Rocky no way Adrian. I love how he's like screaming and she's just like Rocky, rocky, yeah, you gotta be able to hear you.
Speaker 1She's shy, bro, but then that's the movie and y'all hated it. No, I didn't hate it. I love those. It's still good. Blank classic bitches.
Speaker 4I just didn't know about the insight that you brought.
Speaker 5Yeah.
Speaker 4It helped me understand the movie.
Speaker 5We needed someone to explain why it wasn't right, bro, trying to, you know, justify why it was probably her fault.
Speaker 1I'll make him evade pretty hard here. No, I mean, I do agree, that scene is a little creepy.
Speaker 5I mean it's not a bad movie. Maybe I did like his like personality. I do wish there was a bit more of the training in it. But you said the sequels are more.
Speaker 1Sequels are a lot more boxing heavy. This was more of a character driven story than an actual boxing movie. But if you watch a lot of boxing movie like a lot of the big boxing movies that people love, raging bull they're all like mainly character dramas.
Speaker 5Yeah, raging. I haven't seen all the rage, it's just when you watch it. It's like man Paulie, I don't feel good about this.
Discussion on Rocky and Action Movies
Speaker 1Hey, he's a drunk. The whole series too Nice. He stresses me out, that's for sure.
Speaker 4I don't know if I can watch one of them. Have you ever?
Speaker 1seen an IP man.
Speaker 4Yes, they remind me of Rocky movies a lot. I need to watch those.
Speaker 5I think I've seen them I love the martial arts in that.
Speaker 1I don't know. I guess it wasn't that one that I watched, it was something else that was like a different type of martial arts, or was it that one. I can't remember. I'd know I love the right. I wouldn't confuse that with anything. The right and right to. We got to do those soon.
Speaker 5I've never I need to go back to fully like as like it's one of those movies before I really were like was paying attention to movies, and if I go back and watch it now I'm like, oh my God, this is like love it.
Speaker 1The thing with the rate, I'll raid the redemption. It's just, I don't know, especially when it came out. We were just getting a lot of choppy action movies and this one came out.
Speaker 5It's like hi, this is a brutal action movie and you're going to feel every hit that you see in movies when you can't see the fight and it's just constantly cutting away. I cannot stand it. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1All right, so that's the film. We're going to go through our categories. The first category is the good, the bad, the ugly, the fun. So we talked about the good of the film, something that we liked, whether it's seeing, quote, actor, whatever. The bad, which is something we didn't like. The ugly, something that at an age well, the fine, something that did age well, my good is to learn, of course, just the whole story behind how Rocky came to be his performance, the fact that now, if you look at Stallone, you'd be like like I can write, yeah, that's what I found that years later I was like he did that.
Speaker 5Yeah, I think I agree with the good. It's a great script he did. I just like his character portrayal of Rocky. He's a down to earth kind of guy. He's going to help people out. He doesn't have that like a dick attitude of someone who's like a boxer, because usually they have anger issues. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4That's super toxic.
Speaker 1Like, yeah, like I mean, most of these movies are just like oh, it's like I don't know, alcoholic boxer, pizza wife, that's raging bull.
Speaker 4Is that what it is?
Speaker 5Talk to your wife. Do you like that movie or?
Speaker 1something. I've actually only seen some of it. I guess it's just me out when I was younger and I stopped watching it. I guess I've sure seen it. Anybody else got any other goods, any other performances you want to shout out?
Speaker 5It's Karl Weathers, obviously, obviously Karl Weathers. It's also just like how we can, how much we can quote the movie, just because it's still on the way he talks and his delivery. It made it very unique yeah.
Speaker 1And this, this movie just changed action movies forever, because then we got action still on. Like oh yeah, we wouldn't have tango, tango and cash Cobra.
Speaker 5Wasn't you know Other movies. We're going to start doing more action movies till like the 80s, because we're looking up some of the stuff.
Speaker 1Well, this is like 76.
Speaker 5So yeah, and there was like two in between that and I think after that is when he started doing Rambo and what's that? One movie where he goes to like the future and he's oh.
Speaker 1Demolition man.
Speaker 5Oh, demolition, man is awesome.
Speaker 1I think that's like that's 90s. I believe you're coming on for Demolition.
Speaker 2Man Judged Dread. Judged Dread.
Speaker 5Yes, I've never seen the Judged Dread, maybe with him, because I just like the one with the carbon.
Speaker 1Yeah, that one is good, that one's superior.
Speaker 5Oh yeah, it's great. I really wish that had got a sequel. Don't want to see that.
Speaker 1Um, all right, what do y'all got for the bad?
Speaker 4Nothing. Oh, I wonder what the bad could be. That would be your ugly.
Speaker 5And I also had that as the ugly the bad like.
Speaker 1What do you mean? Like Something you didn't like about the film, like a bad performance, a bad scene a bad line.
Speaker 4The turtles have horrible.
Speaker 5I think I don't know I'm really. I was genuinely good acting and it's one of those things, like I said, with Alien, it's just these, like everyone, even though they're side characters, they do a good job that you can't complain about. Yeah, they're all memorable for the most part, even the guy looking at the TV was like, oh, that's, it's good, I like it, it's just you need to just feel like it was a real moment for me.
Speaker 1Yeah, I also feel like whenever you have side like little, I feel like movies now don't have interactions with side characters or just like characters with one lines that really show you who the character is or something.
Speaker 5Sure, make any sense, yeah, and the person does a really good job.
Speaker 1Like with him just talking to the bar keeper whenever we're seeing Apollo Creed. That says so much about what Rocky thinks about boxing and his respect for other boxers, right. Yeah, just because like anymore, like I, just because they got well, because it's the classic like oh, you know, we don't have boxers like we used to.
Speaker 5And then not even boxers. Just that scene, it feels real. Yeah, like just when they're eating, an alien eating around the lunch table is like man, this is a people you feel are genuine.
Speaker 1Also think it helps that, like back in the day, we used to have just our films look like real life, yeah, instead of now everything's color.
Speaker 4How dreary everything in film I'll feel.
Speaker 1It's like everything now has like a color tint to it, Like I mean, you know, like all the David Fincher films Like Whiplash, yeah, yellow. David Fincher films are all blue. Usually the matrix is green, it's just.
Speaker 5Alien 3 wasn't blue. It had a little bit of Well, that's his first film. He had no Control over that, like you could like understanding more about movies Like I could see. Like, even though this is not a great movie, even with a good director behind it, it's still I love the look of it.
Speaker 1And also color correction hasn't wasn't really invented yet. Like the now like, uh, oh brother, we're out now the Cohen brothers movie like that, reinvented Because everything looked real Well because they had the. It was like a more orange or it's like a more New trusty looking like brownish looking movie, like the color of the whole movie. That's interesting. Yeah, um, and cause, if you look at, I don't know if you ever get the DVD of oh brother, we're out there.
Speaker 1They have the whole thing on it I mean commentary on movies I've never done the commentary on oh brother, well, it's just like behind the scenes, stuff and stuff. All right, something the ugly, something that didn't age well, I wonder what it could be. Creepy scene between Adrian Rock. That's what I put down. Yeah, that's about it.
Speaker 5Well, I don't like Pauly, but I don't know if like that's just the way he's. I didn't like the way he's written because I just cannot like him at all and he's supposed to be a character that's in the you're not supposed to like him. He's the ultimate.
Speaker 1Well, until until you get to like Rocky three and four the bad guy.
Speaker 5The bad guy is Pauly. That would make sense, because I mean, technically it's not a bad guy.
Speaker 1Technically the bad guy, and two is supposed to be Apollo Creed, but really because he is a little, he's a little different in the second one, because he's kind of a little more scared of the rock, of rock. Now I keep saying the rock, the rock. So I guess we all kind of got our what didn't age well, what aged well, what is the fine Mine is boxing and boxing movies and just that, like it's just still works.
Speaker 2It works.
Speaker 5It like, it builds you up.
Speaker 1And I put Carl Weathers just because you know now he's gone and now we're all going to be bummed out every time we see him, because he was such a good actor and we probably should have used him more.
Speaker 5Oh, he should definitely have been used a lot. Ever seen him in Rocky and Predator? I'm like, why are you not? You should have been like the big, like action guy, like your own solo, like kind of how Stallone and Schwarzenegger is like he should have been up there with them.
Speaker 1I feel like, yeah, he should have been good Headlining movies, he could have been like because his attitude is good.
Speaker 5He could have been like cockiness of, like Han Solo, and that would have been cool because, like with Stallone and them, they're just like the stoic kind of person. He would have been like the outgoing guy, would have been cool. Yeah, exactly Anything you want to add or no?
Speaker 1No, all right. So we're going to move on to our double feature. It's where we have a movie that we say you could watch alongside of this. I'll start I'm going to go with the 2011 film Warrior, starring Tom Hardy, nick Nolte, joel Edgerton. It's like a UFC movie. It's essentially like the same thing, except you have like two people to. I think they're like brothers or whatever fighting each other. It's just really good. It's a really gritty movie and, you know, it just gives you that same energy of Rocky, where it's like let's get to the fight.
Martial Arts Films and Sports Movies' or 'Discussion on Martial Arts and Sports Movies
Speaker 1And there's like training and there's a lot of emotional character drama. Sure, nick Nolte, it's like his last great performance because he's just like I don't know he just plays it so good. But yeah, it's a great movie. If y'all have never seen it, I'd suggest like legitimately.
Speaker 3It's a really good movie.
Speaker 1Warrior, warrior, yeah Cart angles in it Nice Interesting.
Speaker 4He's a wrestler, that's great. That shows the IP man. Yeah, is that really what?
Speaker 1it's called IP man. Yeah Well, it's like IP man is what they call it. Is that what it is, ip?
Speaker 3man. Yeah, because when I watched the movie.
Speaker 5I always called it IP man, but then they started saying his name at the end IP man, ip man.
Speaker 1Oh, I've never seen it. I need to watch that. I should see that one.
Speaker 4Boxer versus the Kung Fu fighter. He's just like punching the muscles.
Speaker 1You know what movie we need to do? We need to Kung Fu hustle. Have you ever?
Speaker 3Oh, how many rules. I was going to do that soon.
Speaker 1What about you Double feature? Think of anything. I'll go with Creed just because of it. I wrote that down and then I was like wait, I'll let someone else have Creed.
Speaker 5I just couldn't. I was trying to think of another like fighting movie that I've really enjoyed. I was like no, it's been Rocky, I think there was another one, but I can't think of it Like. I don't think I really went back and watched a lot of those.
Speaker 1Yeah, south Paul with Jake Gyllenhaal, that's a decent one. I haven't seen that one.
Speaker 5That one's pretty good. I don't think I've watched a lot of sports movies, because I always see stuff about million dollar baby and I'm like I don't want to watch that.
Speaker 4I don't want to watch that either. Have you not seen Will and Bob? It's supposed to be really sad.
Speaker 5I know the ending.
Speaker 4Yeah, the ending is sad.
Speaker 1Just because it's been parodied a thousand times. Family got South Park, all this.
Speaker 5Like big fight at the end that you made me think I was like well, maybe something I would recommend would be like the Northman because of the end he fights you know, because it's a fight you built, you built towards it.
Speaker 1Yeah, you're just building up to this ultimate fight with Becca Hell yeah, I was like a volcano, which was really awesome, fucking awesome. That movie just straight up. And he's riding into heaven on horse. It's metal. Love that movie, cool. So that's our episode on for this week, thanks.
Speaker 5Dakota for joining us have me again, yeah.
Speaker 1Next week we're going to switch things up a little bit and we're doing another sports movie with our boy Rico.
Speaker 5Napoleon Dynamite. Yeah, I could throw football right over these mountains.
Speaker 3I could just have a chance to go all the way up to the Northman and put me in a good of a dump.
Speaker 1The ultimate sports movie. Everything about time travel.
Speaker 2Get your food, tina, god Throw football over that mountain.
Speaker 1Love this movie hey watch this.
Speaker 5Give me a shake Shit.
Speaker 1Cannot wait to rewatch that. I think it's like the 25th anniversary too, so it's perfect. Wow, and is that the most depressing?
Speaker 3thing ever. I'm going to make sure on that because 25. I don't think it's 25 because I think it could come out like that 2004?
Speaker 4Yeah, 2004.
Speaker 1It's 20th anniversary 20. Yeah, yeah, my bad Cool. So join us for Napoleon Dynamite. That's got a lot of experiences in my life for that movie man. That movie took over the freaking world for a minute. Especially people our age. It was just like oh, it's that classic, this is my whole identity. Awkward. I'm quiet comedy and then. But the thing is, the people that would say that I'm like you're like the popular kids in our school. I was like, if anything, this resonates with me being a weirdo.
Speaker 5Not knowing how to talk to people and stuff that movie when it came out it was before I knew like what they were like they were satire and they knew they were satire. So in my mind when I watched it because I didn't like it when it came out, I thought they were trying to. You know they're playing satire characters, so it's over the top. I thought they were trying to like these are real world people genuinely acting like that and I was like this is so outrageous. This is not how people really act.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 5And. But as I got older, it's satire. It made it so much more funny for me. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1I just love like silly, small, quiet, awkward high school movies. They're just so good Like we need to do eighth grade at some point. Have you all seen eighth grade? Bo Burnham's directorial debut, bo.
Speaker 4Burnham yeah, the comedian. Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 1Dude, it's cringee bro Eighth grade.
Speaker 2How old is?
Speaker 1that? Oh no, I think it was pre-COVID. It came out.
Speaker 5I didn't know that. I don't want to watch that now because I like the girl shows up in season three of Barry.
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Speaker 1I believe she's like in the. She's like doing scenes with the blonde girl and Barry like for her TV show that she has. Oh, she's the girl with the short hair and like the nose ring and stuff. Oh that's the actress. That was her first role, um, but yeah, so join us next week for Napoleon Dynamite. That was a whole rant there. Yeah, um and uh, send us an email. We recommend mailbagged at gmailcom. As soon as I get some, eventually I will start saying them on the podcast.
Speaker 5Uh, you could be the first one to be shouted out, yeah.
Speaker 1I mean, I don't have to say your name or anything. You can just ask us a question, or about the movie or whatever, whatever you want.
Speaker 2Suggestions, whatever.
Speaker 1Next movie movie four suggestions and then follow our link tree. If you want to follow us on social media or listen to us on another platform, it's at link tree forward, slash. We recommend podcast and thank you, joey processor, for making our intro and stuff. Uh, you can follow him on X at Mr Joey processor. And this has been the we recommend podcast. I'm Jesse, I'm Jason, I'm Dakota and remember, remember, rock women weaken legs. Bye, bye.
Speaker 5So that was interesting. Thank you you.
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