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It Follows
Prepare to be haunted by the eerie world of "It Follows" as we peel back the layers of this modern horror gem. With a dissection that's as spine-chilling as the film itself, we navigate through the murky waters of symbolism, touching on the chilling use of water motifs and the unsettling timeless setting that leaves you feeling adrift in an ocean of suspense. Our discussion promises to unlock the film's deeper reflections on mortality and the lurking dread of death that parallels the classic terror found in "Frankenstein."
This episode isn't just about fear; it's a cerebral journey through the strategic mind games of the entity that relentlessly stalks its prey. As we scrutinize the entity's unnervingly human tactics, we don't shy away from the controversial choices the characters make when faced with the supernatural. With a blend of critique and awe, we analyze the director's purposeful decisions and their impact on the narrative, and even entertain the thought of a "Sexually Transmitted Demon" tracking app in a moment of playful banter.
Finally, we step into the desolate urban decay of Detroit, the film's haunting backdrop, exploring how it amplifies the story's suspenseful ambiance. Our conversation ventures into the complexities of explaining the supernatural, the film's narrative implications on technology, and its broader societal commentary. Join us for a discussion that's both a nerve-wracking examination of a horror masterpiece and a candid reflection on the genre's evolution towards trauma-focused storytelling.
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Prepare to be haunted by the eerie world of "It Follows" as we peel back the layers of this modern horror gem. With a dissection that's as spine-chilling as the film itself, we navigate through the murky waters of symbolism, touching on the chilling use of water motifs and the unsettling timeless setting that leaves you feeling adrift in an ocean of suspense. Our discussion promises to unlock the film's deeper reflections on mortality and the lurking dread of death that parallels the classic terror found in "Frankenstein."
This episode isn't just about fear; it's a cerebral journey through the strategic mind games of the entity that relentlessly stalks its prey. As we scrutinize the entity's unnervingly human tactics, we don't shy away from the controversial choices the characters make when faced with the supernatural. With a blend of critique and awe, we analyze the director's purposeful decisions and their impact on the narrative, and even entertain the thought of a "Sexually Transmitted Demon" tracking app in a moment of playful banter.
Finally, we step into the desolate urban decay of Detroit, the film's haunting backdrop, exploring how it amplifies the story's suspenseful ambiance. Our conversation ventures into the complexities of explaining the supernatural, the film's narrative implications on technology, and its broader societal commentary. Join us for a discussion that's both a nerve-wracking examination of a horror masterpiece and a candid reflection on the genre's evolution towards trauma-focused storytelling.
We would love to hear from you! Send us an email and maybe it will be read on the podcast! werecommendmailbag@gmail.com
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Music produced by Joey Prosser. X @mrjoeyprosser
Hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a movie podcast, where every week we recommend a movie for you to watch and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse, I'm Jason. It could look like someone you know, or it could be a stranger in the crowd. Whatever, helps it get close to you, because this week we recommend it Follows.
Speaker 2:It follows this movie was so good, but so creepy, yeah.
Speaker 1:So you finally got to finish it right, I did.
Speaker 2:I hadn't seen some of it before. Yeah, I saw up to the part where they're in the parking garage or whatever, the abandoned building where he has it tied to the chair. Yeah, that's as far as you got the first time.
Speaker 1:Wow, I finished it this time, so you only watched like 10 minutes of the first time, but I thought that that was the end of the movie, the last time because I had fallen asleep. That's the inc, the inciting incident, pretty. So what do you think of the idea of the movie? Just someone slowly following you, it's fucking genius.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's terrifying. It reminds me of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. Oh, really yeah Because that's what it kind of does in the book. It's like the monster. You never see it, really, yeah, but it's always following you and killing people around you, accidentally, really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's always following you and killing people around you Accidentally. No, no, no, it's not accidentally. That's the ending. That's the ending, you're right. You're right, you're right.
Speaker 2:But it's, it's just the this fear that is inevitable and like death.
Speaker 1:There's no escape. Yeah, there's no escape. So that's actually what I was. I know this movie gets a lot of jokes about it. Be like, ooh, it's the sexually transmitted demon and stuff. But I was thinking after watching it. This time I was like I don't think the metaphor is don't have sex. I think that's an element of the movie. That's a classic horror movie trope that I think he just packaged with it.
Speaker 2:Sure, it was kind of a listen to your parents, yeah.
Speaker 1:Because I think it's just more about death. And then once you get at a certain age, you realize it's always creeping up to you in the back of your mind and that they just use sex as a way to pass it around, because it's just a horror movie thing.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's a movie about safe sex because, no, I did read. Um, well, natalie uh told me that the director said that it can be passed through sex even if you wear a condom or even if you have same sex, marriage or same sex, same I completely lost my mind Same.
Speaker 2:What if you have sex with a dog?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Damn dude.
Speaker 2:They didn't explore that. Now we have to. I don't know, there's just like a dog. They didn't explore that. Now we have to make a movie about it.
Speaker 1:There's just like a dog, dog, just like that. That dog would die immediately Like, ooh a human, let's go. Or maybe you just have a chance because dogs are so vicious, just grab on to the entity's neck.
Speaker 2:No way, man, I don't have a chance. This is a discussed conversation.
Speaker 1:So I do have some questions for you. What year do you?
Speaker 2:think it is in this movie, any and all years, right, you don't know which decade it is past, present or future.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I did read that he wanted to keep the era of this movie ambiguous to the point where you have old box tube TVs with rabbit ears and something I do love about it, especially in, because it's kind of like a low income seemed like a low income house and I love the fact that they have a big TV and the TV that works is on top of it. So many places I've been, like in my family, where it's like we gone in and I'm like, well, get rid of the big one.
Speaker 2:But I'm like, well, they need something to put the small one on.
Speaker 1:So it makes sense Like the clamshell Kindle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the shell phone Like the the e-reader or whatever.
Speaker 1:I was just like that's such a cool.
Speaker 2:I really wanted it Makeup.
Speaker 1:Which then leads me to my next thought.
Speaker 2:That way a girl could read in secret. Yeah, and you just think she's putting on makeup. Yeah, exactly, she's reading. We can't kill her, she's not reading.
Speaker 1:I think I did read that. That is where that came from. It just reminded somebody of like they just use the makeup thing like an old makeup thing, I'm assuming, just CG.
Speaker 2:I thought it was really cool, though, blending all of these uh, these decades together. It really makes you pay attention to all the details of the little things that they have yeah it really helps you like. Put yourself like just look for everything, because there was a couple of doors that were in the wrong places yeah did you see?
Speaker 1:that crap. So they did that. So I think the whole idea was kind of like the Shining, because the Shining, whenever you go through and they're showing you the hotel, it's just so absurd you have because when Jack Torrance is at the Shining he's reading like a I think it was, it wasn't a Playboy, it was some like while he's waiting before the interview, just out in the lobby. Then as they walk through the hotel, there's windows that shouldn't be there because it makes no sense. They're in the middle of the hotel. They walk into a room and there's a window and it's like you're in the middle of the hotel. So like messing with the layout and the shining, it's supposed to unnerve you. And so like messing with the layout and the shining, it's supposed to unnerve you. Yes, and that's essentially what they got the idea from. It follows with the whole.
Speaker 1:You don't know when anything is. Why are they wearing jackets? And then the next scene she's in a pool, and then the next time you see them they're like in just shorts and tank tops and it's like what is this? Is it fall? Is it summer? Is it winter? So is this? Is it fall? Is it summer? Is it winter? So back to the clamshell Alright, the curse Right, because this is a curse that they go through. Yes, I want to know how long do you think it's been around and who started it.
Speaker 2:Any idea. I think it's probably been around forever, Forever.
Speaker 1:You just think it's like it's never gotten back because everybody's just so horny. Yeah, alright, do you forever. You just think it's like it's never gotten back because everybody's just so horny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right um, do you think?
Speaker 1:it's a mermaid's curse, explain. So this is now. I know it's probably not right, but just from making my own theory succubus. But like, so, clamshell right, clamshell um. Water is a big theme in this movie. Yes, I feel like there constant water, and I feel like every time they're around water there might be a sense of danger, except at the very beginning where she's in the pool, because that seemed to be something important to her as a kid. But every time you see the monster and it goes and attacks you, it's just water oozing out of it, right. And then I was thinking, oh, maybe it's like a siren, yeah, out of it, right. And then I was thinking, oh, maybe it's like a siren, yeah, it's calling you, but instead of calling you, it's coming to you.
Speaker 2:So it's like a land siren, it's coming to suck the life out of your it's just I don't know.
Speaker 1:It seemed like a very I'm like why is there so much water? Why does it always have to deal with? Water there's in the rooms. There's always like paintings of water every time there's trouble and stuff like that. There are a lot of weird paintings so this is curious, if you think that's what it is, or if it's just like a weird, uh, like a witch back in the day and, uh, I don't know the salemish trials was like hey, y'all suck.
Speaker 2:Here's a sex curse and y'all don't know what's happening.
Speaker 1:Sounds about right yeah, um, and write like do you think it can swim? That was going to be a question, but I have found out the answer to this question.
Speaker 2:It's yes, right, because he goes in the water to get her.
Speaker 1:The director says that this thing would board a plane to come after you.
Speaker 2:Oh, like, okay. So it wouldn't just walk through, because I was thinking it would just walk across the bottom of the ocean or whatever.
Speaker 1:Well, it might be able to. It looked like it probably can swim. I'm assuming it has all the capabilities that a human can have. Yeah, because it was up on the roof, yeah, the roof. Completely naked.
Speaker 2:And it's like what? How did you walk up there?
Speaker 1:Why did you throw yourself naked? Why does it decide to do that? Because at first, when I thought about it, when you first watched the movie, it's like oh, is this kind of like? It takes forms of things during like some sort of like sexual assault, because they're always seem to be either a little naked or like roughed up looking. They're always wearing white, but then sometimes it's not the case.
Speaker 2:It doesn't seem to be the case.
Speaker 1:So, but I think that because another question was why does the monster change his appearance? Just to be?
Speaker 2:extra creepy yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I think it to me. I kind of got it where, like, the entity is just slowly getting more and more like kind of getting smarter and starting to see the people around. The person Right, try to like change Like with Jay. It changes to Greg. Right, try to like change like with jay changes to greg. And it's an old woman at the beginning, because I think people are very sympathetic to people in hospital gowns old, just walking around be like, excuse me, ma'am, can I help you?
Speaker 1:and for greg, it is his mom there, which is maybe because he said that crappy way to go maybe he didn't, but then it was just a woman.
Speaker 2:Was that it's supposed to be his mom?
Speaker 1:that's his mom with her boob out. Yeah, you see her for a brief second, like in a previous scene. It's the only like parent you can see visibly in this whole movie yeah, there's a couple.
Speaker 2:There's like the mom passed out on the bed and there's like yeah, but like you, never even like see her face at all. You just see like the bottle line.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so true um, okay, let me see, let me get to some more kind of. We kind of talked about most of the facts here. Um, we already kind of talked about the metaphor. Oh, another question I wanted, um the ending with a whole pool. Do you think that was good or bad?
Speaker 2:I thought it was. It was it kind of was interesting to me that the you pissed this ghost off. So my head yeah and like which it made it. It kind of made the ghost seem so much more unpredictable, because before this you never saw it do anything, except for there was one time I pushed the dude over and then they broke a chair on it like wrestling.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's awesome. Well, they did. They were able to shoot it in that previous scene too, and it just got up Because something that people don't like about this movie is the pool scene at the very end. They just say it's like well, why do y'all think that's going to work? It's supposed to be smarter than that, well you don't know how smart.
Speaker 2:I mean the guys Hugh said it was smart.
Speaker 1:But they haven't really seen it be all that smart, right, I feel like They've seen it be brutal and kind of I don't know very persistent, but they haven't seen it, like I don't know, do math or anything. Yeah, they haven't. I mean because, as as she knows at that point is that it's just gonna walk straight to her and touch her. That's all it wants to do. It's not gonna do anything else except make you do yoga, but that is, yeah right, and like dry, hump you while doing it not super dry, because there's constantly leaking but so the director said because a lot of criticism, it got a lot of criticism, criticism for the pool, they.
Speaker 1:Why would the characters be so dumb to think that would work? I don't know. It seemed like a pretty good idea, at least to try I mean at least to try right, because you're not thinking that, oh, this thing's going to end up. At most you just run away from it. My thought is don't plug everything up and put it right next to the pool first. Leave thought is don't plug everything up and put it right next to the pool first.
Speaker 2:Maybe I leave it all unplugged and then, so it's not throwing it out at you, just in case something happens, you know, just in case it starts chucking shit in the water.
Speaker 1:But the director says it's like, yes, it's like his idea was that it was supposed to be a silly plan, because it's supposed to be a silly plan from kids, it's supposed to be like their idea of like, well, what can we do? Uh, let's just I don't know try to kill it like this. Also, there is a thing sorry I have so much, so the very ending, it is the their father. Uh, jay and kelly, like the blonde that's with her throughout the most of the movie. Okay, the final entity we see it's their father. That's passed away, because you can kind of see pictures in her room of the father and some family portraits.
Speaker 2:I just couldn't see You're talking about when they're holding hands and walking down the sidewalk.
Speaker 1:No, while they're at the pool. Oh, so Okay, I was thinking that it's probably because obviously he died at a young age. Now, probably because obviously he died at a young age, now we don't know what this is, and maybe this is where the water comes into play. I was thinking maybe he kind of killed himself by shocking himself in a tub or something, or he just tragically died in water, since water is such a prominent thing in this movie.
Speaker 2:So I think I was like, oh, maybe he kind of was like he unalived himself in a in the pool, in a water, with some electricity or something.
Speaker 1:Maybe it was an accident, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but does it really, does the ghost really take that into consideration about what to change into? I think it does a little bit. I think it does.
Speaker 1:I think it's trying to hit like a sympathetic part of him. I don't know, I think it's constantly trying to unnerve you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it seems like a ghost of it's all about the feelings. Right, it's passed through, not just sexual contact. But or maybe it's just because you said, even if you have a condom on you, it'll pass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's not, it's the.
Speaker 2:It's not the juices, it's just like the action.
Speaker 1:The action? I guess maybe the mindset loss of innocence. Oh, you lost your innocence. I don't know your mind, I gotcha, Um, wow. So I think I don't really know if I have anything else to say. Um, I.
Speaker 2:Mean there is more. What about the idea of the passing it around to people to get away? So she's, she's doing it and it's. It works for a little while, but, like one of the big things that they use to get away from, this thing is like asking if someone else can see it that isn't touched by the curse yeah but if everybody's cursed around you, you're never gonna know, you're just like, oh crap what's what now? It could just be a scary lady escape from the nursing home.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is a good point, I guess, because I think just people don't ever believe it to the point where they're constantly like God, dang it, this person died. So I'm assuming that's the idea of, because there's always points where it's in the movie where it's like, oh, there's a points where it's in the movie where it's like, oh, there's a part where it's like, oh, maybe I'll just give it to these prostitutes. Or there's a part where she sees like three young guys on a boat. She's like I'm gonna swim over there whether or not anything happened or didn't, we'll get to it when we're getting in the plot.
Speaker 2:I think it did right, she was asleep. I didn't, I didn't think, I didn't think it did I think she did, because it all of a sudden showed her cast being soaked wet.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And she was finally relaxed enough to fall asleep in her own house.
Speaker 1:But it was just because then she wakes up and it's immediately the guy's like. You can pass it to me still.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this guy, that was so funny. He just can't. He's like I want it so bad, I don't care if it kills me.
Speaker 1:I know he's care if it kills me. I know it's like please, for the love of god, just let me. It's like girl I've been, I've been wanting this for so long, I will die right now I'd love a sequel where it goes back. It's like well, actually I created the curse so I could eventually sleep with my, my friend from childhood. He does give up very creepy vibes, that kid, I think he it was just like the being a dumb teenager just wanting sex above everything else, just not caring.
Speaker 1:It's like the girl you've always had a crush on and it's like, please can we just eventually but she's banging all your friends and everyone around you right, exactly, it's like dang it. Why does everybody else get to get this demon?
Speaker 2:not me. Give me the fucking demon.
Speaker 1:So we'll run through the plot before we get into the movie. Also, I do want to say that this had like a budget of $1.3 million and it made, I think, $20 million that's more Worldwide. It was one of these great movies where it kind of came out of nowhere. It was very word of mouth, mouth and all of a sudden everybody's like you have to watch this movie actually.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, and then it kind of came out in a semi-wide release and I finally got to watch it and I'm so happy. This is also a very popular movie that people who didn't really get it or like it that much get to say it's overrated. This is one of those movies where people love to say how overrated. This is one of those movies where people love to say how overrated it is because they just didn't like the 70s and 80s was like slow horror burn vibe of it. You know, I see which that's so in my wheelhouse I love it.
Speaker 2:It just it also grew up on those type of movies. It made me think of the, the movie my mom used to make me watch to scare me and then I'm never having sex, but I like, I feel like that movie was scarier than this one because what was it? It's called kids.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, they're passing around aids, yeah yeah, yeah, I heard that you, when we first started the idea of the podcast, you put that on your list and I was like I don't know no, never watch that movie, ever.
Speaker 2:Never show it to anyone. I don't know, don't even talk about it.
Speaker 1:I think we'd lose our audience, our very small audience.
Speaker 2:They'd be like what the fuck we're out we can just mention it in passing, about our traumatic childhood. The guy that directed that movie.
Speaker 1:Actually, he's gone on to make a couple movies. I really like Spring Breakers. I think that was the same guy that did it so awesome. Love that movie. We should do that.
Speaker 2:As long as everyone doesn't get HIV, I'm good no.
Speaker 1:It's about, like former Disney stars, all the actresses wanting to shed their innocent. Like I'm a kid actor, oh yes. And so they go and just run around in bikinis with James Franco and cause crime oh, okay, but it's so. That's pretty much the whole movie. But it's so stylistic and fun and James Franco's performance is everybody's performance is wild.
Speaker 1:That sounds really good, it's some of the best visuals you'll see in an indie movie, though. Love it All right, so I'm going to run down through the cast real quick. Maika Monroe plays Jay Hite Keir Gilchrist god, everybody's got weird names. He plays Paul Olivia Lucardi plays Yara Pierre Gilchrist God, everybody's got weird names. Plays Paul Olivia Luke Hardy Plays Yara. Lily Seppi Plays Kelly Heitknecht.
Speaker 2:I just have like.
Speaker 1:I'm John Dude Hell no man, everybody's got to have this. Bailey Spry is Annie, and that's pretty much it. You got Jake Weary that plays Hugh. If you like the main character of this movie, you should go watch the movie that came out the same year called the Guest. The Guest yeah, it's just a really dope, synth-y, kind of like 80s-inspired action-ish type movie. Yeah, it's really good action scenes. It's about a guy that used to be in some sort of black ops kind of comes back and just kind of takes over this family and it's just really cool movie.
Speaker 2:I don't know that sounds cool. Yeah, loved that. The other music in this movie was so cool oh, dude it was great. It only took them three weeks, though didn't a lot of it was just perfect at setting that like kind of like stranger things era like kids on a journey kind of thing but also spooky, and it kind of hit right before all that.
Speaker 1:So it was one of the movies that were doing this at the time. What year was this? 2013, I believe, or 14, one of those. So it was kind of right before the wave of hey, y'all remember the 80s, we're all making movies now. Which in a couple more years it's all gonna be like 90s nostalgia. I'm so scared to get to like when they started doing it this era 2000s like the 20, yeah, like 2000 to 2009 horror movie.
Speaker 1:Like when that comes back in style, it's gonna be like oh no are we gonna feel like they're just making fun of us?
Speaker 1:at that point I feel like we'd have to. It's just gonna be a lot of like super jumpy editing and terrible dialogue and everything. I guess that's where every horror movie all right, man, let's hop into it, you ready. So we get the very awesome, great opening scene where you just have like a young woman coming out of her house, the camera's in one spot, just 360, panning the whole time, yeah, and it's like it looks like the super walk of shame.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's terrified, yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's either I'm assuming it's like her getting ready to go out that night because she's got heels on. I think she just came out of that dude's house, right. Well, that was her house. That was like her house with her father. I thought that was he, oh no okay yeah and um.
Speaker 1:So she just got running around in circles and it's like this is weird, what's going on? Her dad's like what are you doing? What's wrong? It's like nothing, it's just. She just drives off and then sits at a beach and then calls her dad and says like hey, I'm sorry that I'm so mean and stuff.
Speaker 1:Dad's like, yeah, you are kind of a bitch. And then, next thing, you know, it cuts to her and her legs all twisted, bone sticking out of it and she looks like I don't know she's been stretching. It looks like someone just made a statue in the middle of the beach.
Speaker 2:I just thought her knee was in the wrong position.
Speaker 1:But such a great way to end a movie or start a movie. It's like what Mysterious murder. What is this movie going to be about? Again, this is kind of weird. What is this?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was fucking cool though.
Speaker 1:So then we cut to Jay in a pool, innocently watching animals and swimming in a pool, foreshadowing to the pool later, or just foreshadowing to every single terrible event that happens.
Speaker 2:She just likes being wet, yeah.
Speaker 1:So we learn that she is going on a date with a guy. She's being watched by some kids across the street. More I feel like loss of loss of like innocence type of thing where, like even the little kids nearby, they're like peering through trying to look at women um, look at assholes yeah, she's like.
Speaker 2:I see you, they duck down, then they raise right back up. Yeah, you can't get enough of this it's like I'm wearing a one piece.
Speaker 1:I don't know what you think you're seeing here it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, our shoulder was showing a little bit.
Speaker 1:So we meet her sister. We meet her sister Kelly and two friends, Paul and Yara. This is where we get a look at our the weird clamshell Kindle thing. We see that she's reading the book called the Idiot. Have you ever read that? Uh-oh, yeah, me neither. There is also a very funny scene here, and you can tell it's funny by me not remembering the quote yeah, so it's like she says I have an idea. Paul what? And then she tilts and farts it got away.
Speaker 2:I was like oh, so.
Speaker 1:Yara's going to be a cool character. Then we see Jay getting ready. Then the film switches to Jay, who's on a date with Hugh at the movies and while they are waiting in line, hugh starts talking about how well Jay talks about how she played this game where it's like oh, you have to find somebody that you'd want to trade your life with, that's in this immediate area and they have to try to pick out who it is. He ends up picking a child and he says it's because it's like how innocent they are and carefree their lives are. Ae, he has a sexually transmitted demon and it's coming at him constantly and he wishes he was a kid who didn't make that mistake?
Speaker 2:I think so yeah have you ever? Well, I guess we wait till the part where she's looking at that in herself in the mirror and she like looking looks down, yeah you ever done that where you just scream at your penis? What have you done to me?
Speaker 1:no, not, not really, never really pretty much just been. I was there, so I know what you've done. One thing that I will say is why he's got this demon that walks slowly towards him. Why are you going into a theater?
Speaker 2:Yeah, wouldn't you be looking?
Speaker 1:around constantly. It's a very hard place to get out of. You can't just be like in the middle of the movie. I'm leaving I don't really know what to say. I just got to get out of here, I don't know, go to a fair or something.
Speaker 2:Or maybe go up to a house that is suspended in the air by cables.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that'd be perfect.
Speaker 2:You just see a hot air balloon slowly coming to you in the distance, Like dang it.
Speaker 1:how'd they know? Okay, so when they're inside the theater, hugh spots a young woman at the entrance. We never see it from our point of view, and neither does Jay, because she can't see it either. Suddenly, hugh starts getting afraid and demands that Jay and them leave the theater. This is like why did you go to a theater If you're trying to?
Speaker 2:Well, maybe he still, because he had. Just when we find out later, he had just moved there probably yeah, and maybe he thought he still had time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was wrong, that's for sure. It probably took a bus to get to him. That's what it was. So later we see them at a diner and through the window we see someone slowly walking towards them. Boom, boom, boom. But was it actually anything? That's the most fun. That's the most fun in this movie. It's like ah, there's so many people slowly walking, which one are we supposed to be scared of? That was me after I got mugged, oh shit.
Speaker 2:I was just like.
Speaker 1:I don't trust anybody behind me anymore.
Speaker 2:I'm just constantly like huh, huh. When I drive.
Speaker 1:I'm like why is someone behind me still? I've made three turns and they're still behind me. I'm getting mugged again. That's terrifying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it sucks, I still live that way. Yeah, I don't know what it's like.
Speaker 1:So next day, jay and Kelly are walking slowly around the blog talking about how weird the date was that she had, and they're just kind of. She just explains. This is also where we see them in giant jackets and it's like how cold is it? Like? What is the deal here?
Speaker 2:Well, it seems like they're in Detroit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they are.
Speaker 2:They are in Detroit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because they're definitely in Michigan. Couldn't they talk about eight mile a little?
Speaker 2:later. Yeah, that's what I saw the sign, the street sign was like 12 miles.
Speaker 1:And then Eminem pops up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he loses himself in the moment. Yeah rabbit.
Speaker 1:Rabbit takes the bullet straight to the chest. So the next day, on their next date, jay and Hugh lounge around a beach area and then head back to the car Because it's all getting romantic. So they want to have sex and they do. Yeah, something about this movie it's a very voyeuristic movie. I don't know if you noticed Constantly looking through windows and things like that.
Speaker 1:From other people's perspective and from like a distance, like you're always kind of coming up onto a scene a lot of the times oh, I know, it was just like there's always something in the back of the scene.
Speaker 2:Yeah, through the scene at you, it's like who's who's watching who here, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm looking at every fucking thing there is and then because once Jay contracts the demon, she's constantly on the lookout and constantly looking out windows and stuff like that, and this is a situation where we're the voyeurs watching him from outside the car. I will say dope shot of them having sex in the car. It's just really well lit. The whole cinematography in this movie is great.
Speaker 2:Her hand goes on the back window.
Speaker 1:That's all fogged up and she drags it down and then the camera panned over and there's a perfectly painted picture of her in the back. Titanic, guys, we're talking Titanic we could make it more clear a lot of water in that movie too. Yeah, there is, that's, that's who hit the boat.
Speaker 1:So after they fog she is laying in the backseat of a car and talks about how much she wanted to grow up and go on dates. But now that she's older she doesn't know where to go and what to do. Then suddenly Euclid forms her. Oh God.
Speaker 2:She's like damn dude.
Speaker 1:I was having a nice conversation here.
Speaker 2:I know that was creepy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's really unnerving. Yeah, it seemed like it took too long. Even her speech is unnerving. Well, because he knows that.
Speaker 2:Usually you put chloroform on someone's face. It's like instant knockout.
Speaker 1:Yeah right.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I know, I don't know how long it really takes.
Speaker 1:Apparently the whole chloroforming people in movies is just completely done wrong anyways, because apparently if you do too much you can easily kill somebody. I guess I don't know how true that is, though.
Speaker 2:I need Mythbusters to fix this.
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Speaker 1:That'd be insane. I'd love to hear that and I hope you're okay. Yeah, but so when Jay awakens, she's tied up in a wheelchair. Hugh is there and he explains to her that when they had sex he passed a curse to her. The curse is an entity that can only be seen by the person with the curse, which is now Jay and people who previously had the curse.
Speaker 2:What if she was just like oh, not again. Yeah.
Speaker 1:She's like what Dang it, dude, you already had it. You're the third guy this month that gave this to me. So the entity can take form of any person and will follow her repeatedly at a walking pace. If it catches her, it will kill her and will go after the previous person who had the curse, to get them to pass the curse on to someone else.
Speaker 2:I wonder do you think they all, if there's more than one of these things, like, do you think they all just walk? Or like some of them might have like wheelies on their shoes? No, yeah, it's like throughout the.
Speaker 1:This was just this curse started when there was only walking but now the blades are nothing but now, if it was today, it'd just be a bunch of people on like hoverboards like a dude on a pogo stick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1:That's what trimmers was about hugh says he got the curse from some girl. He had a one-night stand with um, and it will continue to stalk hugh until he passes the curse on to someone else, hence why he slept with Jay. At that moment, hugh spots a naked woman walking towards them. Jay and Hugh then flee. Hugh drops Jay off at home and continues to flee. Kelly and Paula and Yara are there to help, though. So what do you think about that scene? Pretty dope scene, right, great way. Yeah, the awesome camera shot where it's like connected to the wheelchair, so every time she's being wheeled around, it's like still seeing her face and how terrified she is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and just how he like he had. He got up real close to the thing and was like looking at it yeah.
Speaker 1:I was like oh my fucking god, I mean how, how long would it take you to believe someone about this? Like, would you see the naked girl walking slowly to you, not talking, and be like wait, is this real? Or would you just be like is this a prank? I think I'd be like this is a prank.
Speaker 2:Maybe, but I think I would be too terrified to even think about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's definitely. Waking up tied to a chair and then yeah, all the whole thing, yeah, so the whole thing, yeah, so like, oh, please, please, don't murder me and chop me up.
Speaker 2:Please don't murder me and chop me up.
Speaker 1:Who just wants a hug, because I think I would think it was a prank, because even when I got mugged I thought it was a joke the whole time until they drove off with all my stuff.
Speaker 2:And I was like damn I think this was real Funny joke guys. This is hilarious.
Speaker 1:I'm going to start shaking now. So at that. So yeah, after all that the police are searching for Hugh but aren't able to find him because he gave a fake address, they ask a bunch of questions to her and she's like I don't really know anything about him. I've seen his house. He won't let me go in.
Speaker 2:So then we kind of get a brief scene but you see the house later and it's creepy as hell, like, do you think?
Speaker 1:Oh, he was just hiding in there. That was his hideout.
Speaker 2:I know, but like what's if? If you're dating someone and like, hey, this is my house and it looks like fucking haunted and terrifying?
Speaker 1:He just lives on the wrong side of the tracks, I guess. I guess Wrong side of a mile. So we see her the most that we really see her mom, we see her eyes in this scene. But we hear, uh, greg's mom and jay's mom. They're talking about, oh, wish I was there, whatever, or I'm so worried or whatever, I can't remember what they say.
Speaker 1:Um, then this is where we get jay looking at herself in the mirror screaming at her penis and then she like stares at her penis and then a ball gets thrown out of the door and this this always gets. This got me and he got natalie last night. The ball hitting the door, yeah, because it's such like a intimate scene of, like you know, a woman who had, uh, uh, uh what's the word? Consensual sex, sex, but was made very, not fun afterwards. So it's kind of like this, it's very sad, vulnerable moment and then like bam all because some little kid wants to look through a window.
Speaker 2:Oh, I know, and he was like. That kid is persistent. He's all the way up on the roof, always wanting to look through.
Speaker 1:It was like why? Who threw the ball out the window? There's also a ball theory in this movie, so we always see a ball right before someone, right before the creature kind of comes out. We see the red ball twice before two people die. I lost. I guess I didn't save it after I put the whole theory down. Later on in the movie, during two of the deaths, she's wearing a shirt that just has a little bear holding a ball on her shirt. So I guess there's a whole ball theory. That's cool that the ball signifies that it's coming. Oh God, my balls also signify that I'm coming. Welcome to the we Recommend Podcast here we're getting a little wild.
Speaker 2:Let's up the energy here and continue. I quit.
Speaker 1:So this is one of the best scenes, probably my favorite scene from the movie. So, while at school, jay's just sitting in class. This is a classic horror movie detail where the teacher is talking about something about death in a horror movie, obviously.
Speaker 2:I thought she was reading poetry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but I think it's something about death a little bit yeah, it was and so Jay's is sitting in her class it's very Halloween reminiscent and Jay spots this old woman in a hospital gown walking towards her. Everyone around does not appear to notice the old woman. She gets up and then she's walking through the hallway and it's still slowly walking. It's a completely blank expression too, and she just runs out and bails and drives away. Hell yeah, because she also says hey, and there's two people in the hallway and they're like, hey, they don't see her at all. This girl's crazy. Um, so jane or jay, explains what she saw at school and explains what hugh said to her paul she's saying this to Paul and Kelly, kelly, paul says he can stay the night. They're both like no, we're not doing that, you little creepo.
Speaker 1:But then they eventually all agree and they all stay over and stay up all night. That night Jay, paul Kelly and another friend, yara, all agree to spend the night in the same house.
Speaker 2:I love the movies they watch. Yeah, they're all in the 1950s, super old.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those are great and they're all essentially saying things that deal with the movie.
Speaker 2:Oh, do they?
Speaker 1:Love when movies do that. I didn't really notice, and the best way that is done is during Scream, when they watch Halloween and they literally just start using the soundtrack of the movie as the soundtrack in the movie.
Speaker 1:It's awesome. That is cool. So Jay joins Paul on the couch because she can't sleep. This is where you really get a good look at all the crappy TVs in the house and how they're all sitting on another bigger TV. Paul says he misses hanging out all the time. Jay brings up how he was her first kiss. Then we learn he kissed Kelly, after which is his sister.
Speaker 1:They also talk about how they found porn mags once, like in the back alley or whatever Porn mags. Very important in this movie, really. Yeah, because this is how they find Hugh later when they go to his house, oh yeah. He used a picture of, I guess, an ex-girlfriend in his porn magazine.
Speaker 2:In his favorite porn mag.
Speaker 1:I got to make sure I don't. Oh, now I already jerked off on this picture. I need to God. Okay, I need to get a bookmark for my porno magazines?
Speaker 2:Just anything, something for a bookmark. It's so weird.
Speaker 1:So during the night, Paul and Jay Reading an article or something, I'm going smashed window in the kitchen so he looks around but does not see anyone. Jay then sees an almost naked woman with dark eyes and water leaking from her. You know, I just thought she was peeing. Well, I just assumed. Well, it could be pee, it could just be ocean water. I don't know what it's supposed to technically be. I didn't, but it also kind of looks like the girl from the beginning.
Speaker 2:Did you see that From the very first following, Very, very beginning?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, but I couldn't tell. I just thought it was her, but she was wearing different clothes at this point, so I don't know if it's supposed to be her or not.
Speaker 2:I don't know yeah, it's great changes like all the time.
Speaker 1:I also I guess this is technically part. I'm just gonna say this is part of the same scene that the old lady's kind of walking around with, because this whole section is just my favorite part of the movie. That's sweet. Um, so after she's walking towards her she runs to tell the others, but none of them can see anything.
Speaker 2:Um, then they're all inside her room it creeps me out, so this part does yes um.
Speaker 1:So they hear a knock on the door and they're like who is it? And the scar is like oh, it's me. Because of course she has no idea that there's a giant seven foot seven man behind yes, we'll have this big man saw. Suddenly a tall man with dark eyes walks into the room. Jay then runs out of the house.
Speaker 2:Bro the first time I watched it like that got the entire.
Speaker 1:the entire theater was like oh, he's a monster, he's in real life, so it's a detroit native, I guess, and he's part of, like, the tallest twins in the world. Oh shit, he's 7'7".
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, why did they pick him? Why did they pick a big, tall man? Very scary, very scary, but I thought I wanted to get close to you.
Speaker 1:Well, I think it's learning right. I think it's trying to figure out what's going to like. Maybe in the idea of the demon it, oh, a very tall, strong man is going to be very comforting to her maybe, but maybe not sensing.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm a very strong, tall man inside this young girl's house maybe it also likes to represent its own feelings of being like a predator yeah, oh, maybe like it's like it loses control of its feelings. It like becomes big and scary, so it chases the thing away. Bro, that might be it, because at first, it seems it chases the thing away.
Speaker 1:Bro, that might be it, because at first it seems it gives like the woman that looks like she just got essentially raped right because, like, her clothes are off, she's all, like, her hair's all messy, she's wet, I don't know, um, and then it's like, oh, that didn't work. Well, let me be more intimidating and like maybe I can make her slip up or something by becoming a seven foot seven man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, whatever, maybe it's like does do girls like seven foot seven, men maybe I'll, maybe she'll like me, but I think the uh soulless dark eyes doesn't help though, yeah, so jay so jay just like books it to the playground nearby where her friends eventually catch up to her.
Speaker 1:A neighbor named Greg offers to help the group by giving them a ride. And this is a pretty affecting little like line that Greg has where he asks in terms of what Hugh did to her. It's like what did he do to you? And it's like this very silent, awkward kind of like moment because they can't be like oh, he just gave me like a sexually transmitted demon but I felt like it was just like a really good line delivery.
Speaker 1:I felt like it made me feel like, oh ouch, I don't know. So then we get a driving around scene. We see a bunch of run-down towns and houses in detroit and I feel like detroit's a great place to do horror yeah because we have barbarian and it's where it's all about area like a run-down town and you can just kind of do whatever you want there, fuck that's scary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there's also that that movie with the blind guy who the kids like broke into his house to steal his money. Oh yeah, and then he did.
Speaker 1:Beth, don't Breathe, yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that was the cut of it.
Speaker 1:Man 2010s. I really love doing Wagon's Barbarians 2020. It's a great place to do horror movies. It's fucking scary Just because there's Also there's this great production value just by driving around filming torn down houses and run down houses, I don't know. And also it's like the loss of the town's innocence. You know it all once was like normal and now it's just run down and I know like not all Detroit is probably miserable. I do want to say that if anybody's like you know all anybody ever does is show the crappy parts of town.
Speaker 2:What if we?
Speaker 1:only showed everybody's crappy part of town, so I do get that. So anybody from Detroit? I don't think your whole town is messed up, but I've never been there.
Speaker 2:Those parts are fucking scary.
Speaker 1:And usually, if you're not in Detroit, this is all you see of.
Speaker 2:Detroit yeah.
Speaker 1:Except for the Lions Stadium. That's the only other thing I see. So Jay and her friends plan to confront Hugh. They go to his address but they see it empty and completely booby trapped with like cans and things that makes noise, which is very smart. It's also the type of house that it is, whereas it's like very elaborate and there's like multiple exits throughout it. I noticed in like tons of hallways and stuff to run down to get away.
Speaker 2:It's like very smart isn't this one of the? This house has a fucking door on door on the third level. Just that goes out to the roof of the house.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like such a smart house to stay at.
Speaker 2:That was one of those doors that does not belong there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly For me it was so creepy yeah it's like oh, just in case someone got on my roof, I hope I lock my upstairs door. They also find pills to keep them awake. They realize he's not there. I had no idea what the pills were for. I assume that's what it was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't think they had anything to do with all the pornography and tissues.
Speaker 1:It's like dang. I got a sexually transmitted demon, but I also have erectile dysfunction. No man that was. And then you got our dang ass. Freak Paul, find some nudie magazines and instead of not touching them and leaving them alone, especially since there's tissues on it fucking freak he still flicks through it.
Speaker 1:Jay walks by he's like, uh god, this guy is such a freak. But while he's flicking through the magazines he sees the picture of you and like I guess his call it high school girlfriend or whatever. They're like, ah, I have it, let's go to this high school.
Speaker 1:We know exactly where it's at, so she's probably the one that gave it to him well, I don't know, that might have just been like an old picture and he's in college, had one night standing and messed it up, I don't know. So at the high school we see outside a window. We're getting like this whole 360 shot again, as the camera's going around. We see people walking slowly, not just one, we see a lot of people walking slowly. There's constantly people walking in front of the camera where you're like is that gonna be it? But then you see outside there is one person walking, beelining straight to the window and I'm like that's it. They get information from the office and then they head off. Which is something I don't understand is can you just walk into any high school, say, can I see a yearbook?
Speaker 2:Was that a high school or was it a college?
Speaker 1:I'd assumed it was a high school. They had a yearbook because they went through the yearbook Can?
Speaker 2:I look at all of your kid pictures, say hey, uh we're just some random people coming in.
Speaker 1:Can I look at a yearbook please? It's very weird, so, um, and then they head off, but when they do, we see the school girl walking in the background again. Um, and you can just see that it's the same person we saw at the beginning of the 360 shot, but now they're in the car and you can see her walking straight to him.
Speaker 1:it's awesome, yeah, that's awesome. Um, and then also, then also, paul gets jealous of Greg when he puts his hand on Jay's back. Oh man, he's like come on, paul, dude, like there's some things to worry about.
Speaker 2:I wish I had a demon.
Speaker 1:I wish I could put my hand on a girl's back. I'm not going to get on the internet later and just start messaging women mainly.
Speaker 2:On the shell phone yeah.
Speaker 1:So, after tracking him down by figuring out his real address, he insists on his original story. This is when they get to Hugh. He says he tells Jay that she needs to sleep with someone in order to successfully pass the curse on to someone else. At this scene, like you can see her like picking out grass and like laying it on her legs. Yeah, what's that all?
Speaker 2:about. Why does he?
Speaker 1:Well, at first I was like picking out grass and like laying it on her legs. What's that all about? Um, why does it? Well, at first I was thinking it's something innocent, right just like, oh, it's like, I'm just innocently bored picking grass. It's me and my innocence. But then there's also the way she lays it on her leg.
Speaker 1:It's almost like it's just like the horizontal pattern, right well it's like is that supposed to be like signifying, like cutting maybe? Because it's the way she did it and in movies a lot that's how they usually have when people cut, they're in like little lines up their arms or legs.
Speaker 2:Okay, maybe gross that was just something I was thinking um yeah, maybe she's just trying to figure out a way to get out of it yeah, yeah, um.
Speaker 1:And then also during the scene, hugh thinks that a random girl that's walking up it might be it. He's like, do you see that, do you see that? And the girl just walks by like what the hell are you yelling at me? For Good, good, yeah. So the group then goes to Greg's family lake house or beach house, I'm not, I guess I guess beach lake house it could be on the coast.
Speaker 2:Well, they're on.
Speaker 1:Michigan getting. So I don't there's yeah. Like then, yeah, they have lots of those. Okay. Jay deduces that she needs to learn how to use a gun. Greg tells her that he will help her if they go back home. Seem like, oh, I'll stay up and watch every night. I'm like, yeah, I don't believe you do so. While the group is sitting by the water, the entity takes on the appearance of yara and begins to attack jay.
Speaker 1:This is great because you see, you just see they're all sitting on the beach and you see Yara in the background walking up.
Speaker 2:Nobody sees her, you're like, are they going to see her?
Speaker 1:And also at the same time, you're supposed to be kind of thinking, okay, is this going to be a fake out, or is that going to be it? And then, as it's getting closer, it cuts to Jay's point of view.
Speaker 1:And then Yara is in, the water passes by. So at that point you're like oh wait, everybody's all accounted for, it's going. I don't know. It's just a really great small way of just showing you like I don't know, it just gave you a mystery and it solved it really quickly. But it also is very fun because it's also it was very fun because it's a little short thing where you're like oh, we're safe, are we safe? Are we safe?
Speaker 2:yeah, I think we might be safe. That looks like Yara. Wait, there's Yara in the ocean?
Speaker 1:I don't know, it's fucking horrible this is one of the reasons why I really like this movie.
Speaker 1:You know she's probably not going to hear that went back through the pee yeah, so it's just like ah, there's it just really sucks it really sucks to have this demon um, but also, like now that we're seeing it as Yara, it's like, oh, the entity's kind of getting smarter, it's trying to replicate people that she's seen around. Um, so Jay flees, and then it takes the appearance. Um, and then it takes the appearance, oh yeah. And when it flees, when you first see her, the thing oh, it raises up her hair.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you see it from the perspective of everyone that cannot see the demon and it just raises her hair and kind of yanks her and then Paul hits it with a chair and it explodes. And then it just like throws him back.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, he had that massive bruise on his stomach, yeah on his stomach, yeah, and then, like they start trying to shoot it. They get it, but it doesn't really affect it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's been practicing.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying I'm a great shot, but like it was kind of like right in front of her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she was a terrible shot. She missed a lot and then only got like its arm or whatever. Yeah, she wigged it. So Jay flees and then all of a sudden it takes the appearance of the little kid and this is like the neighbor kid. So it's the kid that's been kind of spying on her.
Speaker 2:It's that same kid, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then of a young girl.
Speaker 2:It explodes the door.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it just kicks the door open. It's crazy. And then Greg's outside. I don't see anything.
Speaker 2:I thought she was going to shoot him.
Speaker 1:Why'd y'all gonna shoot him? Watch, I'll break my door like we didn't do it. It's the thing. Um, but the friends now know that it's real. Uh to her, um, because of the hair floating and stuff and the shed door being broken, of course, um, jay gets into, uh, greg's car and drives away, but she only manages to get make it down the road and then crashes into a cornfield. Yeah, that sucked, it's like man, this old town road and one truck has to be backing out. Right, that sucked, it's like man, this old town road and one truck has to be backing out right at that time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but those roads when they get busy, you just never know. Yeah, that's true, it's like this road you would never think it's busy, but there's constantly cars going around it.
Speaker 1:It's like five houses around here. Who's driving so much? But she really didn't even need to go that fast. She could have just slowly been driving like 20 miles an hour because it doesn't run.
Speaker 2:I thought, for sure she was gonna pick her friends up too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like just leave so I'm just y'all run as fast as you can down this road. I'm just gonna be further down it so it doesn't catch up yeah, you could like, you could outpace it just a little bit I mean they could just go. And I mean, she's like I'm going to drive off for 30 minutes, I'll be back, I'm just going to let it follow me and maybe I'll run over it. What if you try to hit it with the car?
Speaker 2:I just don't think it can die, explode like the chair did, maybe.
Speaker 1:So after the cornfield Jay awakens and she's in a hospital being treated for a broken arm, when broken arm, when waking up she's hearing walking and starts getting nervous and then it's just like a nurse walking by, it's like literally it's the worst possible place for her to be.
Speaker 2:I love how everyone kind of believes her now, but they kind of they're all just chilling yeah and left the door open. What else are they gonna?
Speaker 1:do. They're like we don't know, we can't see anything. It's all up to her, but because she's so nervous, alone and alone, while everybody's sleeping in the bed, she's deciding that she's got to pass the curse to someone else. So she sleeps with Greg in her hospital bed in hopes of successful passing the curse to him. It's kind of an awkward sex scene. Yeah, because she's just like let me make sure no one's coming in this door while I'm getting real.
Speaker 2:I thought for sure she was staring at the other guy who was watching him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pauses in. I thought for sure she was staring at the other guy watching him.
Speaker 2:Paul's just in it, locked eyes.
Speaker 1:Just cranking it, so we get a scene.
Speaker 2:Couldn't have done this this way.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So we get a scene of Greg talking to his girlfriend, seeming to not have a care in the world about anybody walking up on him At her bedside. Greg tells her that he hasn't seen anything and it's been three days. Then we also see Paul being all sad and heartbroken after finding out that.
Speaker 1:Jay was with Greg it's like just deal with it. Paul, paul Yar and Kelly ask if Greg has seen it yet, and he still hasn't. He's getting more relaxed about it, though, and I think this is it the entity just kind of throwing it, because he knows that, like because he was there when the entity attacked jay. So I'm thinking it's like let me just give it some time and then I'll attack him, because he won't expect it after all. Fuck, that's just what I'm kind of thinking. Or it could just be like taking time to change targets yeah that. Or it's just like it's trying to, since he knows about it. Like maybe it's just trying to trick him.
Speaker 2:And does it. But how smart is it Like? Does it know that they live across the street from each other?
Speaker 1:I think it knows exactly where it's at all times, so I don't think it matters, I don't think it knows where people live, cause I don't think it cares. It just knows where it's at. Do you think it plans, I guess, in advance. So it's making everybody seem kind of let their guards down.
Speaker 2:You said you don't think it can be killed. Why was it so pissed about the pool and the electrical devices?
Speaker 1:Like I kind of figured it out, yeah, it was just like oh well, I'm still going to get you out of the pool, so I can do weird.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but like does he think?
Speaker 1:that he could have died. That I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know. You have to know these things.
Speaker 1:I wish I did. The director won't tell me that part. He never did an interview explaining that one. So at home Jay looks out the window to see Greg walking down the street to his house. He's like in long johns essentially, though. When he gets to his window he breaks it and enters.
Speaker 1:Jay then figures out that it has taken the appearance of Greg. So I'm assuming it's thinking oh, I can walk in here. I'm assuming the entity did that for Jay to make her think oh, it's just Greg, I don't have to worry. Yeah, I thought so. So I'm assuming it's smart enough to know when it needs to appear as Greg from being watched secretly from a distance. I don't know. Maybe it knows everybody where every everybody it's eventually supposed to kill it knows its location constantly. Maybe I don't know. That's fucking terrible. So Jay runs over to the house and peeks inside it to see it taking on the appearance of Greg's mom. Jay then tries to warn Greg who is on the telephone. It jumps on top of Greg and kills him, and essentially what it Did it, fuck him to death.
Speaker 2:I don't know that's what made me think it was a succubus.
Speaker 1:It kind of does. But I mean there is no like intercourse, it's just a lot of dry humping and Well, she is quite moist, like liquid is just coming out of her skin. It looks like Like her hands her vagina, her mouth, everything. It's too moist. I don't know if it's like drowning them, maybe. It definitely breaks your legs. It's just some real rough dsm.
Speaker 1:I guess, I don't know, god snuff film um, now the curse has reverted back to jay, though, who flees to the woods. Um, but yeah, so we finally got to see what it did. Pretty wild right sucked.
Speaker 2:I jumped at him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that scared me too. I mean the last thing you see is like your mom straddling you, mom, your boob's out again and then killing you Sorry. It's like dang it weird boner dead.
Speaker 2:No no.
Speaker 1:So when she awakens in the morning, jay is near a beach and spots three young men on a boat. She undresses and goes in the water hoping that she can sleep with one of them. Do you feel like this? Pass the curse.
Speaker 2:Once they find out that the curse is passed on through sex. Do you think it's talking about how transactional sex?
Speaker 1:can be.
Speaker 2:And even when you don't mean it to be, or don't you know?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I truthfully don't think that it's almost gotten to the point that I've watched the movie where I'm like I don't think there's really.
Speaker 2:There's no more conspiracy theories left.
Speaker 1:Well, no, it's just like I just don't think well, because the guy, the director, had dreams of people following him.
Speaker 1:And that's where he came to the idea, like his dream was always someone slowly following behind him in his dreams, and it never had anything to do sexually. So I think that this was just a way to get it what his idea into the film of, like how should we pass this demon on to people? Oh, sex, every young kid's having sex. And then it becomes this thing about innocence. So I don't know how much the metaphors about sex are as important about the metaphor of being death following you. So I don't know. But maybe that's just my read and I'm completely off. But it doesn't seem like the director is super interested in the elements.
Speaker 1:Well, he just doesn't really seem to be super interested in the metaphors of sex. When people bring it up Right Like as much, that's not really what it's about.
Speaker 2:That's just part of it.
Speaker 1:He's just like yo guys, I used to have these dreams. Man, Isn't this good enough? But I think that is also the fun, like how ambiguous this movie is. It's like it's so much fun. Just trying to think Makes it so much's just.
Speaker 2:What metaphor is the old guy on your roof hanging brain?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know, but I hope I never see that metaphor.
Speaker 2:It almost looked like he had a sensor block over his dick. Oh, really, because it was so shadowy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he just had a huge bush, I guess, I don't know. So back at home, paul wants to sleep with Jay. He's like you can just pass it to me, I'd gladly take it.
Speaker 2:He's like no, you're too thirsty.
Speaker 1:He's like how many times can you pass it to me?
Speaker 2:Yeah, can we just do it a lot. I'm thinking what if you had sex and then you passed it to someone and then you just immediately had sex with? Someone else Would it pass it to both? Well, no, whoever you have sex with first has it Two smaller demons split off.
Speaker 1:He's got a little one like yay hey, do you have sex? I'm after you, yeah. So Paul wants to sleep with Jay, but Jay's like nah dude, sorry, but it's supposed to be because she doesn't want him to be killed because she cares about him too much but Paul's.
Speaker 1:Paul's just a little weird and you're like I don't know. Just pass it to him, get them dead. Paul then comes up with a plan to kill it, cause she's looking at pictures of her in the pool and stuff, um, while leaving J spots. But then they, so they leave, they're going off, but while leaving J spots it posing as a naked man spying on her from the roof.
Speaker 2:That confused me a lot. Like you think, you have this monster pinned down like what it's going to do, yeah, and then it's just like it changes.
Speaker 1:I don't know. It's like why do you choose the most? I think it's kind of getting to the point where it's getting upset.
Speaker 2:That it can't get, that it's not getting to her, that it's not getting to her.
Speaker 1:So I think it's becoming more aggressive and turning it to like more aggressive looking creatures. What's more aggressive than like a middle-aged naked man standing on a roof right? So they're off to go to the abandoned pool? Then Yara gives this random speech. When I was a little girl, my parents would not allow me to go to the south of the eight mile, and I did not even know what that meant until I got a little older and I started realizing that that there was that's where the city started, in the suburbs ended, and I used to think about how shitty and weird that was. I mean, I had to ask permission to go to the state fair with my best friend and her parents only because it was a few blocks past the border. Um, so I don't know like what's like. Why is this speech in here?
Speaker 2:because it kind of it felt to me like it was the. You should have listened to your parents speech yeah, or, and it's just so.
Speaker 1:That's kind of essentially what I had. It's, I think it's the how safe they were with their parental guidance versus now they're getting old enough and there's a lack of parental guidance in their lives yeah. Like the mom's, a single mom that just works all the time and gets drunk immediately in the morning. It seemed like, and then also just kind of like you're old enough to leave the your innocent life behind and your safety, so now you'll go into a kind of rundown city and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, more dangerous situations, I I guess it's that it was like that girl was talking. Jay was talking about how a car is like your freedom yeah, exactly once that happens, you kind of find out like all this crazy shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's like oh, I think I actually want to be young again. Which all you youngsters out there? It it's so true. I'm just sorry you have to be at school all the time it really sucks.
Speaker 2:You're wasting your best years in school.
Speaker 1:So the group goes to the deserted swimming pool in hopes of luring it into the water.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this place is fucking cool. What is it? Is it like an old school? I?
Speaker 1:guess it's just like. I think it's an old, just kind of rec center.
Speaker 2:I'd assume they also had, like the oil's, fenced, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then they had like the storm, like lightning crashing and stuff. So it looks like a big abandoned, like mansion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it all felt like an insane asylum almost so. But we see Jay is the bait and she gets into the pool. When she finally spots it, it has taken the appearance of her father but has figured out the plan and starts throwing electrical devices into the water to kill Jay. But it's too big of a pool, I guess it's not quite working.
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 1:I just. Also, I feel like I went through that really fast.
Speaker 2:They're pretty strong, like he's pretty like the monster or whatever.
Speaker 1:Well, I just wonder like, why? Well? No, because while so they're in a pool, all the other kids are just outside of the pool and it's just there's like 20 things surrounding the pool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, every electrical device there's like an electrical typewriter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so once it comes in, instead of it going into the water, it just starts throwing all the electrical devices in it. But when it throws it in there, it's just like it's unplugged now. The lights are kind of going off and on a little bit, but it's not really shocking here. I'm just wondering if it's because it's a big pool.
Speaker 2:I think it's because whenever it gets unplugged from the wall, when he throws it and it doesn't, well, it's hitting in the water still plugged up.
Speaker 1:I'm assuming Because and it doesn't Well, it's hitting in the water still plugged up.
Speaker 2:I'm assuming Because, like the whole, electricity is kind of going like wah, I guess it's. Yeah, if you're too far away from it, you're not going to get hurt by it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it seemed like they would need to do all of them at once. Right, it's still a generator in there, I think. So, yeah, it should have got a bigger equipment.
Speaker 2:That's just part of the like I said. That's why, you know, he said that it was supposed to be a dumb idea about dumb kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, it's like this isn't gonna work, guys. Y'all don't know what you're doing, but yeah, so it's just throwing things in the pool wildly. Since they cannot see it, the others are blindly trying to kill it. Um, and in the ensuing chaos, paul's just paul's just like shooting at nothing. He has no idea what he's shooting because Because of hitting the girl.
Speaker 1:Yeah, accidentally shoots Yara, but then they end up throwing a little blanket over the thing so they can see it. And then so ends up shooting it right in the head, supposedly killing the entity. Jay tries to swim out of the pool but it grabs her and pulls her under. Paul headshots it again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, then like blood splatters on the wall, Like can they see the blood? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't think they can. Paul asks if it's still in the pool and if it's dead. She crawls slowly over and we see blood slowly filling up the pool. It's such a dope picture that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2:I thought the dude was going to jump out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, me too. I was like this is going to be Jason.
Speaker 2:It made it bleed a bunch. I don't know, did you ever see Under the Skin with?
Speaker 1:no with Scar Jo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I haven't seen it yet that movie kind of it's got this monster you have. No, you know nothing about it kind of reminds me of this movie yeah maybe that'll be my recommendation. Ooh, that's a good one.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen it, but it seems like a good one it's wild it's fucking crazy. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know if it is dead. I don't think you can kill it. I don't know, I don't know, we don't know the rules to killing this thing I want more rules.
Speaker 2:Tell me the fucking rules.
Speaker 1:And then after heading home, Paul and Jay, they finally have sex.
Speaker 2:I love this they have this they have, uh after they have sex.
Speaker 1:I just had sex um, but then I think paul or jay said, asked the question do you feel any different? They're like no, it's like damn it hurts. Yeah, you're so fucking mean about it it's like well, I felt really good about 30 seconds after and then it kind of all left. I know you're gonna die, yeah.
Speaker 1:So the paul then drives to a rundown part of detroit where they are their prostitutes walking around it's the same place, right yeah, yeah, it's just in the in the beginning maybe kind of thing, I'm not sure, but yeah, essentially, paul's thinking about just having sex with the prostitute. Pass it on, um. They visit yara in the hospital, who reads a quote from the iliot or not iliot the idiot talking about how the worst part about death that is certain and constant hell. Yeah, because it was a thing, i't know. It was a really dope part. And that was when I heard this is what the movie's about, yeah, essentially, and I was like, oh, so it is about more like death than like sex. Sometime later, jay and Paul are walking down the street hand in hand. Behind them a person is following them and we don't know if it's a person or if it's an itch.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's definitely the thing.
Speaker 1:Are you sure?
Speaker 2:Yes, it has to be, everyone can be. Do you think they think it's dead?
Speaker 1:I don't think they do, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Because otherwise does she just give in to Greg and be like fine, Okay, fine, we're going to have sex.
Speaker 1:Finally, I don't know if they think it's dead. I don't know. Oh, that's, that's, uh, it's just constantly gonna be, but they're in.
Speaker 2:They're in it together now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's sweet and then it's just like I don't know, just go to vegas, have sex with the prostitute and then it should pass on pretty easily. Then right, I don't don't know. I guess Thing is, if you do pass it on, I mean eventually it's going to get you right. I mean, unless you die of old age or unless you die young or whatever. No matter how much you pass it to, someone's eventually going to die. Yeah, that's why there's so much sex in nursing homes.
Speaker 1:Then, by the time that you forget about it, it's going to be like crap.
Speaker 2:Every time someone follows you, you'd be like wait, oh, it's been like three years. Should I just go have sex with a random person real quick? Should you be following these people's lives?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you get married and you explain to your wife okay, now that we're married. So about every year I have to go have sex with a random prostitute. Okay, look, I don't know if I need to, but I just do it just in case. And you have to, let me do it, otherwise a sexually transmitted demon will come and get me. And that's when you know, when you get a girl that says okay that's when you know you found the right woman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and she'll probably help you. Like create some kind of system to track all the information.
Speaker 1:Oh, dude, that. Create some kind of system to track all the information and then you get an app on your phone, the STD app. Oh yes, everybody gets it thinking oh, this is a sexually transmitted disease. Oh wait, demon.
Speaker 2:It's like Santa. It's coming in like Santa.
Speaker 1:TM TM TM. We're trademarking that.
Speaker 2:Demon Trucker.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what a great movie. I love this movie. It was fucking cool, so fun. I feel like it really. I think it changed horror movies for the 2010s. I felt like after this movie came out, the vibe of horror movies like became this slow burn, more like 80s, very trauma based. I mean, every A24 horror movie just kind of feels like this now.
Speaker 1:So I think that's why I like it it was the first movie that I watched, other than a movie called the House of the Devil, which I may bring up soon. But before I keep spoiling more things, I'm about that I watch, other than a movie called the House of the Devil, which I may bring up soon, but before I keep spoiling, more things.
Speaker 1:I'm about to say let's head to our first category. The category is called the Good, the Bad, the Ugly, the Fine, and this is where we talk about the good of the movie, something that we like. The bad, something we didn't like. The ugly, something that didn't age well. The fine, something that did age well. What did you have?
Speaker 2:for your good bro. I think it was the blending of all the eras, like the different decades.
Speaker 1:The ambiguous time yeah.
Speaker 2:It made me pay so much closer attention to everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because your brain's immediately like okay, all right, it's been five minutes. What the fuck's going on here? Is it fall? Is it winter? It's like what year is it? Why are there modern cars, old cars, kindles that look like it seems like a fantasy world. It's a dream, right? I think that's the point of it.
Speaker 2:He had these dreams as a kid.
Speaker 1:So the whole movie is a dream. That's cool Type, it's fluid like a dream.
Speaker 2:Terrible nightmare, yeah.
Speaker 1:Actually, for me, the good was the premise. It's the idea of someone following you around forever and you can never escape it. Yeah, it's terrible, and even when you do escape, it doesn't mean you've escaped it forever, forever. Yeah, you got anything for the bad, oh man.
Speaker 2:The bad is that it made me think of that other bad movie Kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I haven't even seen it. I just immediately just I think I've seen scenes of just the kids just talking, sitting on a curbside just talking about it, and I'm like this is uncomfortable. I know what this movie's about. I don't like this. Yeah, this is very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:I feel like it is a movie that I like need to watch eventually, especially as a like a film guy. Right, gotta watch the things that are uncomfortable too. So mine was just the plan at the end with the pool. It's a little clunky way to end the movie. I think it's. It's not the ending of the movie and I think the very ending is really good them walking and the whole Yara saying her little speech. But just the plan to kill it doesn't work.
Speaker 2:The idea that this is a monster that can be fought, and they were completely wrong about it. Maybe we don't know.
Speaker 1:I like to think that it is still around because I think it's a silly. Like someone would have been able to figure out how to kill this thing then, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they figure out on a plane and the plane it's crashed, like it did, maybe, or if it just picks a different thing. See, they just need, now that Halloween Ends has come out, they just need to watch that and just do that to the villain. I know you haven't seen it still, but halloween ends, yeah, the most recent halloween movie. Oh, once you watch it, you'll understand um, for the ugly.
Speaker 2:I have nothing.
Speaker 1:I don't really think nothing really can't really say anything about the technology, because I don't know, we don't know what it's supposed to be to me the thing that aged well. The fine was just how 2010s movies have been.
Speaker 2:Horror movies have been inspired by 70s and 80s horror movies, and I like that, yeah, a lot that was pretty cool and I think the um, I like the idea of using nostalgia kind of in this way, in this very weird way.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:All right, so we're going to move on to our next category, which is double feature. That's where we recommend a movie to go along with. It Follows what you got.
Speaker 2:Don't say kids I can't remember the name of the movie. No, it's not kids. I'll never fucking watch that movie. No, there's a movie I watched. It came out around the same time as this. It's a zombie movie. I can't remember the name of it. I don't have a recommendation.
Speaker 1:So your recommendation is a zombie movie that is similar.
Speaker 2:This girl that doesn't know she's dead and she's a waitress.
Speaker 1:Oh, movie that is similar this girl that doesn't know she's dead, and like she's a waitress and like oh uh, bad uh, is it got aubrey plaza in it? I don't know, I have no idea, that's okay, it's a bad thing to say okay all right. Well, so if you can find a zombie movie, where there's a weird sex scene and also the zombie is a waitress. Go check that movie out. For my double feature, I picked the House of the Devil, which is a. Ty West movie.
Speaker 2:The guy that did X, pearl, I saw X. It was pretty cool yeah.
Speaker 1:It's a very like 70s, like haunted house type movie where you're actually not sure what type of movie you're watching until the very end. It's one of those type of movies. It's very slow burn, kind of like it Follows. So if you don't like slow burn it might not be the movie for you. But I absolutely love this movie. It's got Greta Gerwig in it, the director of Barbie. Nice, she's in it for, like, let's just say she, I don't know, I don't want to spoil anything, she, I don't know, I don't want to spoil anything so that is our episode on.
Speaker 1:It Follows. Make sure you join us next week as we cover Mad Max Fury Road. Baby, the best action movie of all time maybe ever, I don't know probably one of my favorites, that's for sure. It's definitely in my top 10 movies, if not top five, because literally held my breath for 30 minutes in that movie, that one scene, so an entire theater exhaled all at the same time.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 1:Make sure to join us next week as we cover Mad Max Can't wait to go to the movies again?
Speaker 2:Yeah, for anything.
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