Pat's Peeps Podcast
Ep.112 Today's Peep Is Much Different As We Breakdown a Conversation Between Piers Morgan and Roger Waters, NorCal's Heatwave, Unravels Double Episode Posting Chaos, Reviews Roger Waters' Shoreline Concert, and Reflects on David
Are you ready to experience a podcast episode that's as hot as the 112-degree weather in Northern California? Join me, Pat, as we unravel the amusing chaos behind the double posting of episodes and celebrate the growing success of both Pat's Peeps and The Pat Wall Show on KFBK. With an eclectic mix of politics, sports, music, and everyday life, you'll never know what to expect, but one thing's for sure: it's going to be a rollercoaster ride of insights and reflections.
This episode features my firsthand account of the Roger Waters concert at Shoreline Amphitheater, where political statements and a flying pig took center stage. Listen as we dissect Waters' controversial interview with Piers Morgan, his claims of cancel culture, and his fervent views on Israel-Palestine. The tension between Waters and Morgan brings out a heated debate, shedding light on the complexities of the ongoing conflict in Gaza and the broader implications for human rights.
Finally, we take a poignant turn with a reflection on David Gilmour's "Faces of Stone" performance, weaving in themes of loss, nostalgia, and cherished memories. This introspective segment not only showcases the power of music but also offers a heartfelt tribute to our loyal listeners. As we wrap up, don't forget to stay cool and look out for your furry friends in this summer heat. Tune in for an episode that's as unpredictable and engaging as life itself!
Are you ready to experience a podcast episode that's as hot as the 112-degree weather in Northern California? Join me, Pat, as we unravel the amusing chaos behind the double posting of episodes and celebrate the growing success of both Pat's Peeps and The Pat Wall Show on KFBK. With an eclectic mix of politics, sports, music, and everyday life, you'll never know what to expect, but one thing's for sure: it's going to be a rollercoaster ride of insights and reflections.
This episode features my firsthand account of the Roger Waters concert at Shoreline Amphitheater, where political statements and a flying pig took center stage. Listen as we dissect Waters' controversial interview with Piers Morgan, his claims of cancel culture, and his fervent views on Israel-Palestine. The tension between Waters and Morgan brings out a heated debate, shedding light on the complexities of the ongoing conflict in Gaza and the broader implications for human rights.
Finally, we take a poignant turn with a reflection on David Gilmour's "Faces of Stone" performance, weaving in themes of loss, nostalgia, and cherished memories. This introspective segment not only showcases the power of music but also offers a heartfelt tribute to our loyal listeners. As we wrap up, don't forget to stay cool and look out for your furry friends in this summer heat. Tune in for an episode that's as unpredictable and engaging as life itself!
well, welcome back. Welcome back back to the pats peeps podcast. Thank you very much. Thank you, man. Hey, thank you very much. Thank you, man. Found a thing in here, went in and did Kind of wound up.
Speaker 1:It's a Friday on the Pat's Peeps podcast. I'm Pat, by the way, I'm Pat and I'll be your host. Thank you so much For Pat's Peeps 112. Once again, magically I don't even know how this is happening Magically matching the temperature of the day. Thank you so much. It's weird. Like 109, it was 109 degrees, 110, 110 degrees, 111, 111 degrees and today 112. By the way, I just posted this is the first time that I posted two of my podcasts in the same day. Why? Because, well, yesterday, suffice it to say there was just I don't know there was, I just I did the podcast and then because I had someone here working and it's a whole thing, but I never got a chance to actually post the podcast. So today we're double dipping on the Pats Peeps. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1:And as I glance out of my studio window today, like I already said, into the beautiful foothills of Northern California, like I already said, it's 112. So it's hot, it's the middle of summer, just like on Pats Peeps yesterday on 111,. I do not have the air conditioning on. All of the doors open my French doors, put in by local business Southgate Glass. I've got the I would say a breeze, but there is no breeze. But you may hear the fan in the background. All right, a little ambiance for you here on Pat's Peeps 112. Now the audience is growing, our business is growing. I'm grateful to both. Before we get into this, I just want to say thank you for all of that. The amount of phone calls on my show this week. On my radio show I host the Pat Wall Show on KFBK in Sacramento, the biggest station in Sacramento. Rush Limbaugh started there, of course, home of Tom Sullivan. Even back in the day Morton Downey Jr rest in peace, he was at KFBK. Kfbk is a heritage station and it's one of the biggest and most popular stations in the United States and we have a great audience, such a loyal audience on my show and I'm so grateful for that, but also heard nationally and internationally on the free iHeart app.
Speaker 1:It's hot, so I'm going to have to replenish, or I should say relinquish my thirst here, or relinquish my thirst and replenish the bottle. How's that so today? If you don't mind, I'm just going to do something completely different than I ever do on the Pat's Peeps podcast. You know I like to have my own interviews. We had Mickey Dolan's got cut short the other day. That's Pat's Peeps 109.
Speaker 1:I am working on part two. It'll be longer. We've had, you know, congressman LaMalfa on. We've had Victoria Yeager, chuck Yeager's widow. We've had a lot of people that I love to do my interviews all right, love to do my own.
Speaker 1:But in going through and following some things that I love to do my interviews, all right, love to do my own. But in going through and following some things that I've been watching and sort of trying to keep up with lately, because it's a political year, I've been watching more politics than ever. I'm watching and I'm going to explain something. Ever since the debate, the presidential debate, which of course, I'm expected to talk about and give my opinion on my show, which I do, and on my podcast, I've been very interested in what people are having to say because, let's face it, I don't have to recap what happened in the first debate. Whether you're saying to yourself gee, trump's a liar, biden did a terrible performance, or they're both liars, or you know, whatever the case. I mean, for me, well, I shouldn't even get into that. So, but the point is, I've been into politics more it just caught my fancy, shall we say, just since then. Not that I'm ever out of the loop in politics. I'm always paying attention, always, guarantee you. I am Because, again, I care, and I'm a talk show host and I care about our country, but I'm not going to sit there and dwell on it on my show because there's so many other things we can talk about.
Speaker 1:Politics isn't the only thing. If you listen to my show, of course I do dip into politics. I dip into sports that's part of our world. I dip into music a lot. I dip into things that we deal with on a daily basis, growing to the grocery store. I promote local businesses. It's just on and on and on.
Speaker 1:You never know what to expect on the show I have. It's just on and on and on. You never know what to expect on the show. But suffice it to say I've been on a little bit of a political thing. So lately I've been watching CNN. Now, before you go, ah, yep, chuck, I'm not a big CNN fan, but here's why I've been watching it, because I'm so fascinated and I mentioned this, so I'll keep it short. I think I may have mentioned this either on my show or on one of the other podcasts, but I like to watch them. I'm watching. I shouldn't say like to Okay, I'll get back to that in a second but the Democratic Party is splintering right before the election and right before the convention, and so I'm watching CNN, who has backed Biden forever and ever.
Speaker 1:In my opinion, was part of an agenda that many Americans believe has happened over the last eight years With Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, black Lives Matter, so many George Soros, so many different places who have contributed to lawlessness in our cities Ted Wheeler, lori Lightfoot, the list goes on. The mayor of Chicago we heard yesterday blaming freaking Richard Nixon for 19 people murdered, black-on-black violence in Chicago, 109 people shot over the 4th of July weekend. Give me a break. You're going to stand there and tell the American people it's Richard Nixon's fault. Yeah, look at yourself in the mirror.
Speaker 1:So I'm getting into this right now. I'm fed up with the excuses and the BS and the racism. I'm sick of it, and the victimization and all this other. You know, I'm just sick of it. And so I see this interview and I want to just break it down for a little bit, for as long as I can possibly stand it. It's not like me to listen to someone else's interview, but I'm going to do that and I'm going to break it down, like I say, for as long as I can stand it.
Speaker 1:Now, this interview is from an artist who, in my opinion, was part of a band that, in 1973, put out my favorite album rock album of all time, if not my favorite album Roger Waters was on Piers Morgan. Now I saw this on YouTube and I could not believe what I was seeing. First of all, yes, I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan Until the final cut, until Roger Waters became so obnoxious that David Gilmour and the rest of the boys in the band couldn't put up with the crap anymore. I was so tired of Waters dwelling on World War II and all of this crap dragging down the band. I mean Final Cut's, the least popular album of the big era of Floyd. I mean you can go back to Obscured by Clouds and Adam Hart Mother, and you can go back to Omeguma and all these great records I'm talking about basically, let's say, from metal forward Metal, dark Side, wish you Were here, animals, the Wall, and then into the final cut, when it became unbearable to many of us Floyd fans, and that's why the final cut's the least popular, at least to my estimation.
Speaker 1:So, anyhow, I've seen Roger Waters a couple of times in concert and I will say this, although now recently I have seen actual proof of Roger Waters lip syncing, which is unforgivable and if he is, I well, first of all, I'm never going to see him again, as it is Never going to watch Roger Waters again. I don't even give a crap whether he reunites with Gilmore and they start Pink Floyd. I'm not going to go watch Roger Waters again. The first time, okay, maybe it's just that tour. The second time, the same trash, and I was like no. Now the problem is is that the show was really great? I had no idea it was lip syncing, any of it. The show last time I saw him was at the I don't know AT&T or Pac Bell, which is now Oracle or whatever. Make up your mind, san Francisco, whatever your stadium was called at the time and I got invited to go see Roger Waters at the last minute. I just bought this Dodge Challenger. He said yeah, let's go, baby, let's go. Now the dilemma is that he puts on. It was an incredible show.
Speaker 1:They built a wall. You couldn't even see the outfield of that park on that night as the wall was being built. If you can imagine that park, because I don't know what the name of it was, let's say AT&T. This is the big Coke bottle, it's a big baseball glove, no-transcript. And they're building the wall as the band is performing and they're playing all the Pink Floyd and as they finish the first set and take a break, the last, you know the final brick in the wall. If you can imagine this. The band is now behind the wall that they have been building. You don't even notice the wall being built throughout the stage. It's being built so slowly, but then all of a sudden you notice the band is now being covered up. Then they're behind the wall and there's one brick to go and from this brick is emanating this green glow of a laser. And you're just you know how Floyd is. You're just hearing this spacey sound and a green laser coming out of this, emanating from behind the wall. You don't even see the band anymore. There's cartoons on the wall. It's an awesome spectacle.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, some of the tunes on the wall at this time were of Donald Trump. Now, whether or not, look, whether or not you agree, disagree with Trump, that's fine, whether you like or hate Donald Trump, that's fine. But to put on these walls these cartoons of Trump and he's doing like Heil Hitler, whatever he was doing Maybe it was Bush, let me see. No, it was Bush the first time. I don't remember the last time I saw him. It must have been in 2016, right after Trump was elected president, excuse me, and anyhow, he's got these Trump things up and it's just like he's making him out to be a Nazi and all of this stuff. And I'm just like man, come on, I don't really want to be subjected to your political agenda. While I'm listening to your music although the wall is pretty political, I get that in some ways, not ignorant to that fact.
Speaker 1:But before it was Bush, when Bush was in office, and you know Floyd, and at this time Roger Waters floats a pig above their concert. There's the floating pig. When I saw them at the Shoreline Amphitheater Roger Waters several years ago with my brother and my friend, jeff, we noticed at that time the anti-bush stuff on these walls or on the screens I should say the big screens at the shoreline, anti-bush crap. And here comes the pig floating over the crowd, and the pig has anti-Israeli graffiti, anti-israel graffiti. I remember that Something about the Star of David is totally disrespected.
Speaker 1:There was F Bush, and so the pig's floating over the audience with these ropes. He's a helium-floated pig. Someone sliced the ropes and the pig starts flying away. I couldn't believe it. I mean, in a way I could All I could think of. My God, someone cut the rope and there goes the pig flying away, and all I could think of is you know the term, yeah, when pigs fly. And I'm thinking if someone looked up in the sky and saw the literal the pink Floyd pig floating, just like on animals, and thought about, yeah, when pigs fly, well, this is the day pigs fly. I wonder if this is the day that hell froze over too. You know what I mean. And he was so pissed.
Speaker 1:Roger Waters swamp mother cut my pig. That's a very bad accent. I gave it a try though. All right, my apologies to anyone with an actual English accent Anyhow, british accent whatever, but he was so disrespectful. Just people don't want to hear your political trash your rhetoric during a concert. Shoddy, just play music. So I say all of that. Yes, dark Side of the Moon is my favorite album. Yes, roger and David wrote some of the greatest and played some of the greatest, most beautiful music in rock history or in music history ever, in my opinion. But shut up already, roger.
Speaker 1:Here he is appearing on Piers Morgan. I've already talked a lot, so now I really don't know how much I'm going to play with this. But this dude could not be more smug Roger Waters, more of a pompous ass, arrogant, fool, exasperated. Every time Pierce Morgan chimes in and all he can do is say and put his hand out don't interrupt me, don't interrupt me. You're interrupting me Constantly throughout this freaking interview. You're see there he is again interrupting me and then when Pierce talks, talks, he interrupts him. He's smug, arrogant, pompous ass with extreme viewpoints. So I want to play a bit of the exchange and comment as we go along, if you don't mind, as the man behind rock revolutionaries Pink Floyd.
Speaker 2:Roger Waters is music royalty. He's still filling stadiums after six decades in the business. Dark Side of the Moon remains one of the most iconic and acclaimed records in music history. His critics say there's a dark side to Roger Waters too. Then his contentious views on political lightning rods like Putin, israel, donald Trump and many more. I once perhaps uncharitably, described him as the dumbest rock star in history. He once accused me of being part of a media conspiracy to cancel it. Pretty good.
Speaker 3:My story is yet another story of cancel culture.
Speaker 1:So he's just shown a video of Roger before he brings him on live. His story is once again, a story of cancel culture. Shoddy, you know what cancel culture is. No, we just want you to listen. Speak away. You have the right to speak. Come on, cancel culture. Look at the statues that have been on cancel culture. Look at the statues that have been taken down. Look at the cartoons we can't watch anymore or the tv shows. That's cancel culture. No one's canceling your music.
Speaker 3:You fool why are they trying to cancel, roger was? Why aren't they real? We'd like to see you shut up. This is going hang on a minute.
Speaker 1:This is bullshit maybe even though he has a right to talk and curse because it's you know.
Speaker 3:Call up and see what he has to say. Why aren't you, Piers Morgan? Eh?
Speaker 2:Well, we got the call, I'm delighted to say. Roger Waters is here in the studio and I suspect will be most definitely uncensored. Roger, good to see you Good to see you.
Speaker 3:Good to see you. Here you are, I'm glad to see you can read.
Speaker 1:See this smartass right at the beginning. He is a smug snide smartass. While I was watching this I was thinking can you imagine being a roommate with this clown? You talk about a tight ass, uptight a-hole. I will never. I already said that I'll never see this guy any. I also want to say this as you're listening other than at this point right here, or unless he really wants to try to blast pierce, he won't even look at him. He just looks straight ahead that's a good thing.
Speaker 2:That's a step in the right direction well, I like to think that reading is a prerequisite of an interviewer.
Speaker 3:Well, it's a prerequisite of almost anything, I think, as my old mum used to say to me. I'm sure you've heard this story, but I'm going to tell you again. Oh goody, and this was when I was Read, read, read. When I was about 13 years old, she said you're going to come up with all kinds of things in your future that you have to think about and figure out, make your mind up about. And when you do, my advice to you is read, read, read, read everything you can find about whatever the subject is, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. When you've done that, you've done all the heavy lifting. The next bit is easy. Oh really, mum. What's the next bit is easy. Oh really, mum. What's the next bit?
Speaker 2:then she said then, roger, you do the right thing, and that was great advice from my mum too. Well, I can only tell you that I've always operated by. My brother was an army colonel. He had a unofficial regimental motto the seven p's prior planning and preparation, prevent piss. Poor performance, which is not dissimilar now listen to this smart ass reply from waters, and the fact that I applied the seven p's means I knew what your mother's advice to you was. So at least we passed that hurdle you've lost me, have I?
Speaker 3:yeah, I'm not very good at military, really, unlike your brother Was it your brother or your mother?
Speaker 2:He was an army colonel, yeah, the seven Ps prior planning and preparation.
Speaker 3:No, no, I heard the words.
Speaker 2:Prevent piss-poor performance. It's all that hard to understand, Roger.
Speaker 1:He's looking down like he's a fool, just so, dismissive of anything Pierce Morgan has to say. No, it reminds me of a joke that a friend of mine who was in the army told me.
Speaker 3:Oh good, he said, and it was a message sent back from the front headquarters and the message was send you what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:This guy this is all he does is dwell on this crap. It's the final cut, it's the wall he still won't shut up reinforcements, enforcements were going to advance.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they did advance and nothing had happened and it was a terrible disaster. Eventually, the bloke came back from headquarters and he went there, you are, and the officer looks at him. He said what's that? It's from headquarters, sir, I've just come back with that. He said well, what is it? He said well, we got a message. It with that. He said well, what is it? He said well, we got a message.
Speaker 2:It said send three and four points. We're going to a dance. That's a terrible joke. Thank you very much. Absolutely terrible joke.
Speaker 1:Um, interestingly, not to mention a waste of about one minute war and army and military.
Speaker 2:One of the more interesting aspects of your own early life was your father, eric, who in world war ii and correct me if I'm wrong about any of this, but in world war ii in the early years was a conscientious objector who drove an ambulance during the blitz.
Speaker 1:He later changed frankly, I don't want to even hear about it. I just want to get to the meat of the discussion, where they begin to discuss some controversial topics.
Speaker 2:So let's jump back in your idea of the right thing may not always be the right thing um, well, if it's the right thing for me, I guess it is the right thing.
Speaker 3:Well, no, I'm. I'm not omnipotent or omniscient. I'm just wondering how I haven't yet read all the books, the books. I haven't studied all the wise men throughout history, but none of us have. So we have to take a view, give them the piece of history that we're living in.
Speaker 2:But you accept you could be wrong about things.
Speaker 3:This is what you do. What's this little trap you're trying to set? There's no trap at all.
Speaker 2:All right, all right, I'm wondering how certain you are Because You're trying to say it's not a trap at all. All right, all right, I'm wondering how certain you are because you're a controversial guy. So am I? Ok, and I followed everything that you've done. I think some of it has been massively overblown. I think some of it legitimate. There's legitimate criticism to be made, but the overarching theme is you're very opinionated.
Speaker 1:See now he's not looking at him.
Speaker 2:He won't look at peers, and very soon he's going to start telling him how often he's interrupting him? Speak your mind. I'm only curious whether you have a certainty that you're right or that you allow for the possibility that, however well read you've been about any particular issue, you could occasionally be wrong.
Speaker 3:Of course I allow for that possibility Absolutely, but the foundation of my opinions, for instance, is based on solid things. So the platform upon which I stand by and large is the Universal Declaration of Human Rights from the fledgling United Nations on the 10th of December in Paris in 1948. I've read that document, obviously the 30 articles of it, I've taken them to heart and it is my belief that we, the people of the world, should observe those basic rights for all our brothers and sisters all over the world, irrespective of their ethnicity or religion.
Speaker 2:Let me start with an unequivocal agreement I agree Our work here is done.
Speaker 3:That's it. That's the end of the conversation. There's no point in continuing. Well, we?
Speaker 2:are going to continue, but actually on that point it's an important point to reach unanimity over right. I mean, I agree with you everyone.
Speaker 3:I've watched your program a lot and I'm and I confess, peers, that you don't always seem to be of the same opinion as me about the 30 articles of the universal declaration.
Speaker 2:Well, I've always said that I believe, look, we're going to come to israel, palestine, in a moment. I've always said that I believe every palestinian should be entitled to exactly the same human rights as every Israeli, for example. I've been unwavering on that. Now We'll come to the war and what's happened and the history and everything in a moment. But first I wanted to start with Eric Clapton, who recently gave an interview and which he said about you, I love Roger. I love him, we are brothers, and he goes his way about it and it takes a lot of guts and he suffers from it terribly. I've seen him sit on the window ledge in tears and say it's morning here in Manhattan and I'm in tears again. You know what did you think of that when he said that?
Speaker 3:Eric. Well, it's deeply moving to me because we are friends. We go back a long way. Well, we go back to 1985. I hardly met the man before then, but then he made a record with me, Pros and Cons of Itch Hiking, and actually he then persuaded me to tour with it.
Speaker 1:All right, I want to hear something else. Here we go, yeah.
Speaker 3:Have I paid a price? Yeah, a bit of one, but I've been lucky, so anyway. So, yeah, have I paid a price? Yeah, a bit of one, but I've been lucky. You know, I've been very successful in my chosen career, yes, and so I've never wanted for a few quid. I don't invest, I'm not a capitalist.
Speaker 2:How much are you worth? No, you're a socialist. That's none of your business. It's been reported as over 300 million.
Speaker 3:It's none of your business. Piers, are you deaf? I can see you can read, but you're obviously a little bit deaf. It's none of your business sunshine.
Speaker 2:Just curious, it's been reported. Ok, you admit you're a very wealthy guy.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to talk about my personal wealth. It's none of your business and it doesn't matter. What does matter is that I have stood up for you and quite frankly, I don't really care either on that point. I marched for the first time in 1960 or whenever it was, from all the miles.
Speaker 1:I just want to hear about his. I hope they do.
Speaker 3:But it's not for me to say what happened. It's for me to say what I feel about that. It's for me to say what I feel about that. Oh my God, I want to be there standing in that square when that state is declared.
Speaker 1:Talking about Israel.
Speaker 3:Palestine, to embrace all my brothers and sisters, whether they're Muslim, druze, agnostic, christian or Jewish, and whether their nationality was Palestinian or Lebanese or whatever, or Israeli.
Speaker 2:I want to see them free of the burden of this constant war, but you're talking about a state there, not a two-state.
Speaker 3:The two-state solution everybody you know with an IQ above room temperature agrees is a non-starter, because of Eretz, israel and what's happened in all the building in the West Bank and what's happening in Gaza now, of course, as well.
Speaker 2:Well, let me play you a clip. This is from a month ago. This is on your YouTube channel. It's not George Galloway, is it? No, no, it's from your own YouTube channel.
Speaker 4:It's called Resist the Genocide, and you said this when this is all over, israel is going to have to apologize, not just to the Palestinians but to the whole of the rest of the world, say we're very sorry, we got it all completely wrong and we are now leaving, go back to Eastern Europe or the United States or wherever we came from from, and leave these people, the Palestinian people, the people whose land this is to, if they can rebuild and live in peace.
Speaker 3:Well, hang on, you didn't play the rest of it. I said, of course, any of you who want to stay will be welcome to stay as citizens of this new state.
Speaker 1:What an idiot.
Speaker 3:Wow, thanks. My personal opinion is that that would be what it should be called. It was called Palestine up to 1948. But hang on a minute. That's an open discussion. We'll have an osteoporosis, I heard.
Speaker 3:Excuse me, here comes the interruption stuff I heard somebody suggest the other day it could be called the Holy Land. I actually made that suggestion some time ago and I've been persuaded away from that idea by conversations I've had with other people. No, it's Palestine. Let's call it Palestine, but that's not my business. That's for all the people who live there to decide.
Speaker 2:You say it's not your business, roger, but with respect when you say that all the Israelis should just up seven million of them well, hang on, just get up and go.
Speaker 3:All right, let me have my say. You've just shown that out of context without showing the second half of it. Fine, I look miserable. I was. I'm in Barbados. I'm talking to my phone. When you said that, eric said that he sees me waking up in tears. I do. I am prepared to admit that I am in tears over Gaza every morning when I wake up, because I'm only 80 years old. I have never experienced the genocide of our people in front of my eyes.
Speaker 1:You say he's 80 years old and never experienced a genocide. Now is he talking about watching it on TV? Because I'm pretty sure if you're 80, there was a genocide going on during World War II. Now he gets Pierce addresses that.
Speaker 3:It's happening every day, every day, the calumny.
Speaker 2:Well, you have, with respect you have. You were born in World War II, when there was an actual genocide of Jewish people by the Nazis. I was that big.
Speaker 3:What I was, that big, I didn't witness that're alive is my point well, that's, I wasn't talking about being alive. I'm saying I never witnessed it.
Speaker 2:You can't witness something six million jews, you cannot witness something?
Speaker 3:well, I'm not saying they weren't, and what's that? Was that a disgusting awful crime? Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:Just like this one is a disgusting awful but my question for you there's no difference, roger.
Speaker 1:My question for you is saying he didn't see it because he was just that big and being a child during world war ii. Um, I wasn't even born during world war ii and I've seen a lot of world war ii film. So if he's unless he's over there watching what's happening in gaza he's not seeing it firsthand, he's seeing it through a television lens, which is how many people saw World War II, which was on film.
Speaker 2:So it makes no sense and he's a liar when you say that you need to have the whole world saying we're very sorry, we got it wrong. Yeah, we're now leaving. Go back to Eastern Europe or United States or wherever you came from. Yes, do you understand how Israelis feel when they hear that?
Speaker 3:Well, it depends which Israelis they are and, frankly, the fact is that something has to be, or would you suggest? No, let's just let them kill all the Palestinians. Why don't we just let them?
Speaker 2:kill them. I believe there should be a two-state solution.
Speaker 3:Well, it's not going to happen, but I don't want to argue with you about it, Nor is your plan.
Speaker 2:You're not going to have seven million Israelis being sent back to Europe or the United States. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3:let me speak on behalf of we, the people of the world, Because we the people of the world.
Speaker 1:Don't speak on my behalf.
Speaker 2:But, you don't speak for the whole world, do you, Roger? We have a civilised conversation.
Speaker 3:No, you can't have a civilised conversation with somebody who constantly interrupts.
Speaker 2:Ok, Nor can you speak unfettered without me correcting some of the things you're saying or challenging me.
Speaker 3:You accept that. Yeah, I was about to say something. Ok, and you're doing it again my apologies.
Speaker 3:I accept your apology, thank you. Please don't do it again, piers Right. Accept your apology, thank you. Please don't do it again, piers Right. Most of the people of the world do not want the Israelis to continue in their inexorable course to the end of their extermination of the indigenous people of Palestine. That's all I'm saying. So something has to happen. That is not that so. If you say there are two possible alternatives, a two-state solution, and that that's been on the table, I love it when someone says but that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1:No, it's not all you said. We can rewind where you said you had never experienced, nor seen, nor witnessed the genocide of a certain people, which again, as pointed out, he did because he was alive during World War Two. So false.
Speaker 3:Abel, let us not forget, certainly since the end of the 67 war, and let's not go back into the old stuff about all the Palestinians turned it down? No, they don't. That is a barefaced lie. What Arafat did? No, he didn't. That is a barefaced lie. I'm not going to argue the toss with you. I know it is. If you don't know it is, you haven't yet done the reading.
Speaker 2:Oh, I have, and I've actually interviewed people like Bill Clinton who were involved.
Speaker 3:Bill, Clinton, dear God. Anyway, I won't go into that, you would believe Arafat over Clinton, of course, listen.
Speaker 1:That says it all. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not a big Bill Clinton guy. Why aren't you a fan of mine, pat? Listen, I did not have sex. Listen, I'm not a big you with this. A wipe just said sorry about my language. Hey, I'm, listen, I'm. I'm not saying what I feel like, but yeah, okay, so you'd go, you'd agree with the Osiris fat really yeah, our fats dead sadly, but yeah sadly.
Speaker 3:Look at his mug and you see this is Yasser Arafat.
Speaker 1:Really, yeah, arafat's dead sadly, yeah, sadly. Don't get to look at his mug anymore.
Speaker 3:You see, this is what I shouldn't get sucked into, because the you're wrong. I'm right. Nature of this program is what's wrong with it, I know you think that's what's right with it.
Speaker 1:That's what's wrong with this program is. Know, you think it's what's right with it. That's what's wrong with this program is that you're wrong.
Speaker 2:I'm right, it's. You say something and I challenge you and maybe you change my mind, which by the way you might do.
Speaker 3:It's the you're wrong. I'm right. Confrontational. It's the confrontation which is what you get. It's you your clicks.
Speaker 1:Piers Morgan isn't even being confrontational in my estimation, but this smug ass is why are you?
Speaker 3:here Confrontational Out of interest. I'll tell you why I'm here Because we're having a general election in England at the moment and I've come over here to help four or five people who are standing as independents in different constituencies in the United Kingdom because they, like me, believe in human rights. Keir Starmer doesn't and Rishi Sunak doesn't. They've shown it, and one of the ways they've shown it is in their support for the state of Israel and to continue to arm Israel. It's genocide of the Palestinian people. Now those people include Andrew Feinstein.
Speaker 3:Andrew Feinstein is standing as an independent in the constituency of Hoban and St Pancras against Keir Starmer, who is the possible incumbent prime minister of this country. So if we Andrew Feinstein and his team mainly, but if I can help him I will get a majority of the people to vote for him, to Feinstein instead of Starmer, to forget the general politics of the United Kingdom for a moment and to accept that the most important thing that we're all fighting for at the moment is around Gaza and around the extermination of the people of Palestine, because what we're fighting for is the soul of the human race. We're fighting to try and achieve a future where we understand that things like right and wrong exist and we have to stand up for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Can I respond? No, not yet. Andrew Feinstein will and Keir Starmer won't.
Speaker 1:No, don't interject, Don't right there. No, sorry, peirce, it's your show.
Speaker 3:He waves them off. Well, we know Keir Starmer, he was taking over the show at this point.
Speaker 2:He would trust Vladimir Putin over Keir Starmer. Would you, did he?
Speaker 3:Well, obviously you only have to listen to what the two men say. He would believe.
Speaker 2:Putin over Starmer.
Speaker 3:Why not? But why would they be having a conversation about anything apart from let's make Ukraine into a NATO country, which is We'll come?
Speaker 2:to Ukraine. Can I just pick up on one thing? You said We'll have to have a conversation I haven't finished about Andrew Feinstein.
Speaker 1:Excuse me.
Speaker 3:More about Feinstein.
Speaker 1:It's important as it's his show.
Speaker 3:There are two young women who I interviewed a couple of days ago and they're up. Double down news man, go check it. All right. Ok, one is called Fiona Lally and she's a young woman. I think you've spoken to her.
Speaker 2:Dan, you and many people share your view that they believe that Israel is perpetrating a genocide on Gaza, and you talk about wanting to eliminate the people of Gaza. But surely that clip that I played when you talk about the Israelis having to go back to where they come?
Speaker 2:from If they could apologise for what they do, Roger let me ask a question On that point of wherever you come from back to Eastern Europe, wherever you come from to tell 7 million people to go back. Notice how he interrupted that time as racist and, in the case of Israelis, to be anti-Semitic is something you've been accused of being. Now do you understand why they would take it that way?
Speaker 1:Now he's rolling his eyes looking at the ceiling.
Speaker 3:We have to remember that most of the population of Israel are young, much younger than me, even younger than you, if such a thing was possible, and they have been pretty well brainwashed into believing that they are superior to the other people who live there. And I have to say the thing about Eastern Europe or Northeastern Europe and the United States. They've tried to sell us this idea that somehow they are biblical people and that God has given them the land. That's what the Christian evangelicals believe.
Speaker 3:All I'm saying is that they're not indigenous people, most of them. There are a few of the Jewish people who are citizens of Israel, who are indigenous to the area, but back in the 19th century that was only seven or eight percent of the population. Can I respond?
Speaker 2:Yes, of course. So ancient Egyptian records mention Israel from 1213 BC. Religious literature records Israelites as far back as 1500 BC. As far as many Jewish people are concerned, this is where they come from. Within Judaism, Israel is the holy land. It's the land where the faith began. Jerusalem is the holy city For Jews. Jerusalem is at the core of their faith and their world. Now, I think I believe you're an atheist. Is that correct? That is correct. So you may not understand or accept that, but that is how millions of people in Israel feel. They believe this is their original holy land. Now, I think that the displacement of the Palestinians back in 1948 was was appalling. I also think the the simultaneous virtually displacement of many Jewish people from their homes was also appalling. All of it was appalling, and you can create a narrative that would be supportive of both sides and critical of the other sides, but there's no doubting that Jewish people believe this is their holy land too, in the way that many Palestinians do. I haven't read that book.
Speaker 3:I admit, and I'm not sure I want to, because I've only got a few years. Well, how many years I've got left is irrelevant.
Speaker 2:You're doing better than the President of the United States, aren't you? I?
Speaker 3:beg left is better than the president of the united states, are you? I beg your pardon, you're doing a lot better than the president of the united states? Yes, I am, but anyway, let me finish.
Speaker 3:Hasn't read that book because that'd be a waste of his time to read anything else like all of what you're saying, though maybe it will be fascinating to historians and jewish scholars and scholars of other religions, but it's completely irrelevant to the genocide that is going on now in the west bank and gaza it's not irrelevant to the to why jewish people when you say, ah, so it's not irrelevant to why they think they have a right to commit genocide no, I didn't say that well, what is all this?
Speaker 2:stuff for me? No, I'm just going to say that again, referring to the quote from your own mouth. When you say to seven million people, go back back to Eastern Europe or the United States or wherever you came from, many will believe, if not most of people in Israel will believe that this is where they originally came from.
Speaker 3:What I say in that little video is I think you made a terrible mistake and I think you should now say we're sorry, it was a terrible mistake. Just look at what's happened. This is obviously a completely failed experiment. Zionism, the whole thing, is a failed experiment and we're going to leave you to live your lives in your country. Maybe a few of us will stay, or maybe we'll all stay, but we all have to live together with equal rights from the river, but this needs to be clear.
Speaker 3:Hang on, hang on. Let me finish. That's all Ie I'm going to keep dragging this conversation back to these two things Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the genocide that the state of Israel is committing on the Palestinian people. And I don't care about what your history books from Egypt. I'm not saying you're wrong. I haven't read them and, frankly, I couldn't care less.
Speaker 1:He hasn't read them and he doesn't care. I thought you did care about reading. Yeah, I started off talking about how he cared, right, Pierce? Yeah, of course it's exactly.
Speaker 2:Reading and getting more knowledgeable. See, there you go. You're so clever, you go, you're so clever.
Speaker 1:I just remembered what you said exactly. It's all that clever. Laugh it off, see roger. No, no response, just laugh do you know what?
Speaker 3:no, you're right, it wasn't that clever okay, let's go back to now. Let's stay on the genocide. It's either right, it's either all right or it's not, and it doesn't matter what happened in the history of the. I'm almost done with this.
Speaker 1:I'm coming to this.
Speaker 2:Let's go back to October, the 7th 2023, when the Hamas attacks occurred. George Galloway was here last week and he described them as terror attacks. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 3:I'm not going to have this conversation. I've seen you have it with everybody.
Speaker 1:I just want to have this conversation.
Speaker 3:I've seen you have it with everybody.
Speaker 1:I just want to have a conversation If you've seen the videos of them coming over and murdering people that day, flying into the rock concert and abducting people. But I just want to talk about that.
Speaker 3:It's a waste of time. Why it's a waste of time?
Speaker 1:Because you always. And now he's rolling his eyes.
Speaker 3:That's unbelievable. Reach the same conclusions and you always waste 10 or 12 minutes. Must waste one minute.
Speaker 1:Wasting 10 or 12 minutes on people who were murdered and raped and killed on well being redundant on October 7th.
Speaker 2:All I ever ask people is do you condemn what Hamas did?
Speaker 3:I condemn the killing of civilians always, whoever does it, wherever it is. I condemn war crimes. If Hamas committed war crimes on October 7th, I condemn it. You referred earlier.
Speaker 3:You say if Excuse me, you referred earlier to my conversation with Glenn Greenwald, which happened in December last year, and I was taken to task after that because on his programme and this was only a few weeks after October 7th I said I would love to know what happened on October 7th so that we can all have a proper go. Well, the Israelis won't allow any investigation.
Speaker 2:You suggested it might be a false flag operation. Well, we Implying that Israel created it. Hang on.
Speaker 3:Maybe false flag's not exactly the right word, but why did they? Well, it's obviously not the right word.
Speaker 2:Can I finish? No, but you're wrong. All right, I'm on, Roger. Obviously it wasn't a false flag and the reason we know that is that Hamas broadcast in real time through video to social media what they were doing. There's nothing false flag about it.
Speaker 3:I'm not saying that part of the Palestinian resistance movement didn't cross that wire fence into what's called Israel or 2,000 of them did. Hang on how many, it doesn't really matter how many it was. I'm not saying they didn't do that. I'm not saying that that didn't happen at all. What I'm saying is there's all this talk about does israel have a right to defend its? Why didn't israel defend itself that morning? Why did they wait seven hours before they started machine?
Speaker 2:it was a catastrophic failure of defense and security.
Speaker 3:And this is the most efficient security organisation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's catastrophic. That's why, when this is over, Netanyahu's done All right.
Speaker 3:you don't want to have that conversation. Neither do I, but wouldn't it be great.
Speaker 2:I just answered you what I think happened.
Speaker 3:Hang on. Wouldn't it be great to have that conversation at some point and wouldn't it be great if we could have an actual, real investigation beyond the very good Al Jazeera documentary that we all saw that came out and all the great work that the Grey Zone and Electronic Interval did in debunking all the filthy, disgusting lies that the Israelis told after October the 7th about burning babies and women being raped, which were all completely Actually women were raped?
Speaker 2:No, they weren't. Yes, they were.
Speaker 1:Well, there's no evidence. Obviously, this guy has not seen videos of the stuff that I've seen. I haven't seen the rapes, but I've seen a lot of the video evidence of this. This guy's out of his mind.
Speaker 2:That was probably the United Nations. You can say anything that you want but there's no evidence.
Speaker 3:Actually there is extensive. Ok, well, all right.
Speaker 2:Also, we know what Hamas broadcast on social media.
Speaker 3:Roger calm down Roger Roger Calm down.
Speaker 1:Now he's talking to himself. Roger Waters is now looking to his left, like as if there's an imaginary character next to him.
Speaker 3:Sink to his level. All right, I won't what level. Stop shouting. Stop shouting back. Let him interrupt you as much as you want. Ok, sorry, piers, what were you saying?
Speaker 2:Look, let's not prolong the discussion about whether you believe what happened on October the 7th, other than me, just to simply ask you Wouldn't it be nice to be able to look at all the evidence?
Speaker 3:See that.
Speaker 1:So Piers is talking and Roger just butts right in. Didn't let him finish his sentence, but the entire time he's telling Pierce that he's interrupting him, johnson, come to a grown-up conclusion rather than just saying this happened or that happened.
Speaker 2:Well, it's now been established that 1,200 people were killed, of whom 400 were military, which means 800 innocent people were killed. Over 250 were then kidnapped, including Holocaust survivors who were grandparents and babies. Do you accept that that happened? What the people were kidnapped yeah, absolutely, except the holocaust survivors and babies were kidnapped I don't, I don't know about that.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I did, I saw one released in the first.
Speaker 1:know about that for a guy who started the conversation about how you need to read to inform yourself, but he's the first. He doesn't know about that For a guy who started the conversation about how you need to read to inform yourself, but he's the one guy that doesn't know about this stuff release.
Speaker 3:There was somebody who was a Holocaust survivor. Why are you? Not curious to read about that though. Well, I did, I did read about it. I mean the big thing of reading there were a number of old people and young people who were, I don't know, sometime in November.
Speaker 2:The baby's never been released. I beg your pardon. The baby was never released. The baby was kidnapped and never been released.
Speaker 3:Well, you know, piers, you may or may not just be making it up, I know.
Speaker 1:Making it up? Yep, he may or may not be making that up, Piers.
Speaker 3:I know you believe nonsense that you're told by Zach or another Nonsense People who've made up tons of lies by Zaka and other nonsense People who made up tons of lies, so that's nonsense.
Speaker 1:There's all the evidence of this, but now suddenly that is nonsense even though the world has seen it.
Speaker 3:Okay, roger Zaka, it was an organization collecting bodies, paramedics. I've never heard of it. Well, you have no right to be having this conversation at all. What you have to do now, piers, is go and look through all the documentation that there is and all the video evidence that there is of those paramedic people lying about burned babies and rape and babies in ovens, and all the atrocity stories that came out immediately. What about one? Excuse me, I haven't finished. Immediately after October the 7th, that gave impetus to the idea somehow, that to commit genocide on the people of Gaza would be a reasonable defence against all those atrocities, which is the story that you, among others, have tried to sell to your audience.
Speaker 1:oh, I'll just try to get this. They've sold october's uh, uh, october 7th the atrocities on october 7th, to their audience.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, I apologize for accusing do you believe? Do you believe? Well, hang on, you need to look up zaka look at that now he's just taking the show over and then maybe we could have another conversation, because until you know that story, you know.
Speaker 2:You seem to have done extremely little reading about anything that happened to Israelis that day.
Speaker 3:That's nonsense. I've had long conversations, not least with my friend Gideon Levy, who's a journalist in Israel.
Speaker 2:But do you actually believe Israel had anything to do with what happened that day? Israel, you suggested it was a false flag. That would imply the Israeli government had something to do with it.
Speaker 3:No, I've no idea. Why didn't they respond, though they tended to always.
Speaker 2:Do you believe it's logical that they would perpetrate that attack on their own people?
Speaker 3:I've no idea.
Speaker 2:No idea.
Speaker 3:Excuse me. They definitely attack their own people. That is absolutely car style, all those piles of cars. They were destroyed by Apache missiles from helicopters. Hamas didn't have helicopters.
Speaker 2:Do you think Hamas killed anybody that day?
Speaker 3:Yeah, of course I do. Yeah, and they probably killed civilians as well, were they acts of terrorism? To kill a civilian is a war crime, act of terror. Well, to use the word terrorism is really dangerous and difficult, because you have to remember that the people fighting on behalf of Palestine liberation have a legal and moral what's the word I'm trying to search for, not just a right Right to defend themselves. No, they have a right to fight back against the oppressor.
Speaker 3:So if somebody invades your country, kicks all your people out of their homes, steals everything and is stealing all your land and occupies all your land.
Speaker 1:Can you imagine what he's saying right now? It's okay you should expect that If all of that happened that he just said, for families who have nothing to do with that, who are sitting in their homes with their families, it's okay for these guys to come over, yank them out of their homes and murder them in cold blood, pull people out of their vehicles, murder them, steal everything from them, land on kites freaking into the concert and abduct people. That's what this ass is saying right now.
Speaker 3:For 75 years. You have an absolute right to armed resistance against that invader.
Speaker 1:Armed resistance by killing innocent civilians. That, he just said, was a war crime. They killed and took hostage innocent civilians. He just said killing innocent civilians is a war crime. Now he just made an excuse for terrorists on October the 7th to go into Israel and murder innocent people, which, according to his hypocritical ass, is a war crime. Listen, I can't take this this guy anymore. I'll never, ever see him in concert ever again. He has an awful solo record. He does have one decent solo record, but without David Gilmour he ain't squat. So I need to cleanse my palate here. I need some David Gilmour to drown this extremist out of my mind and cleanse my palate.
Speaker 1:I've seen David Gilmour and Pink Floyd numerous times more than I've seen David Gilmour, and they are absolutely incredibly awesome. This happens to be David Gilmour live at a place I visited recently, pompeii, italy. I wish I were there. This would be one of the most, I think, incredible concerts ever. So I need to leave it with a good taste in my mouth. Nice job, pierce, by the way, pierce Morgan, but I want to hear David Gilmour and I want to thank you, as we listen, for listening today. I know that was an unusual podcast for me. They kind of did most of the talking. There you go, there you go.
Speaker 4:Faces of stone that watch from the dark. As the wind swelled around, you took my arm in the park.
Speaker 1:Images frame David Gilmour. Faces of Stone live at Pompeii. I greatly appreciate you listening to my rather unusual Pat's Peeps number 112. Stay cool. Like I said, keep those animals nice and cool. Okay, thank you for listening. We'll see you on the radio. My brother was gone.
Speaker 4:His replacement to have the radio was gone, his replacement to him. Just what the difference was. You could not understand. In darkening gray we walked back through the streets. Then you talked all night long. Your childhood home by the sea.