Navy SEAL Mindset
Branum & Kumalatis Unplugged: Leadership and Adventure
In this episode, I continue my chat with the awesome Nick Kumalatis, sharing gripping stories of adventure, leadership, and personal growth.
As a former Navy SEAL, I'll take you on a thrilling journey—from heart-pounding rescues in the Grand Canyon to eye-opening experiences with the Modern Day Knight Project. Together with Nick, we'll explore what it truly means to be brave, resilient, and committed to growth.
Join us for an engaging conversation filled with tales of courage, camaraderie, and the power of pushing past your limits. Episode 021 isn't just a podcast—it's an invitation to discover your own inner strength and embrace the extraordinary.
Get ready for an unforgettable experience as we dive into the heart of the SEAL mindset. Don't miss out—join me, William Branum, and let's embark on this incredible adventure together!
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WANT TO THINK LIKE A NAVY SEAL AND UNLOCK YOUR POTENTIAL?
Discover the 5 SEAL Secrets to Success
A short read with powerful tactical lessons to change your life
https://www.5sealsecrets.com/
In this episode, I continue my chat with the awesome Nick Kumalatis, sharing gripping stories of adventure, leadership, and personal growth.
As a former Navy SEAL, I'll take you on a thrilling journey—from heart-pounding rescues in the Grand Canyon to eye-opening experiences with the Modern Day Knight Project. Together with Nick, we'll explore what it truly means to be brave, resilient, and committed to growth.
Join us for an engaging conversation filled with tales of courage, camaraderie, and the power of pushing past your limits. Episode 021 isn't just a podcast—it's an invitation to discover your own inner strength and embrace the extraordinary.
Get ready for an unforgettable experience as we dive into the heart of the SEAL mindset. Don't miss out—join me, William Branum, and let's embark on this incredible adventure together!
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WANT TO THINK LIKE A NAVY SEAL AND UNLOCK YOUR POTENTIAL?
Discover the 5 SEAL Secrets to Success
A short read with powerful tactical lessons to change your life
https://www.5sealsecrets.com/
Welcome to the Navy SEAL Mindset. I am your host, William Branham, and this is episode 021. This episode of the podcast is going to be a little bit different. This episode. Is going to be a continuation of a podcast that I did with Nick Kumalatis on the Always Forward podcast. It's almost two hours of us talking about my time in the military, my transition out of the military. I think we probably talked about at least one or two of the hikes of the Grand Canyon I did, uh, in 2023. Uh, where we saved several people's lives. Uh, we saved a kid's life, a young man's life. The first time I did it, and then we saved three women's lives the second time I did it. And I think I've talked about that on previous podcasts. And we also talk about what I do with the Modern Day Knight Project and how I am the most loved, Nick likes to say I'm the most hated, but I am the most loved, uh, instructor at the Modern Day Knight Project. If you are a man and you are interested in the Modern Day Knight Project, please reach out to me. You can reach out to me at william at nw recovery. com and just Write project or MDK in the subject line and your phone number and I will get back to you. So, anyway, it is an expensive program. It's 18, 000, but sometimes I give scholarships to men who I believe deserve it. Who may have some financial hardships but they, but I believe that they will get a tremendous amount out of the program. So, anyway, without further ado, here is the Always Forward podcast with myself and Nick Kumalatis. Enjoy the show. Talk soon. Well,
Nick Kumalatis:uh, I'm just going to start this thing off, uh, 26 year Navy SEAL. Way better than Ray Cash Cares from what I hear,
William Branum:right? That's the word on the street. Ray was in my first Steel Platoon. Was he really? He was. He was my sea daddy back in the day. How was he back then? He was exactly the same. Who you see now is exactly the same person that he was back then. 100%. Spreads, that's just
Nick Kumalatis:perfect. Love you, Ray. Um, hope you're doing well. He called me while I was in a meeting and I immediately hit deny. No,
William Branum:I can't talk to you right now. I gotta
Nick Kumalatis:say, uh, Ray's podcast is up there, right? He's one of the, one of the top podcasts, Mario.
William Branum:Maybe. I don't listen to other Navy SEALs. I just listened to Will. Yeah. Cause cause Will's in the room.
Nick Kumalatis:So, uh, before we get into the, you being called the most hated. Uh, Project Instructor,
William Branum:Ever. I think Loved, I think is the right word. I'm not sure if
Nick Kumalatis:Loved is what they're going with. Um, but, before we get into that, because dude, do I want to unpack some shit that just happened this past week. Or since the last class anyway. Steve did us good. Steve did us really good
William Branum:with that, bro. What was it,
Nick Kumalatis:the, um,
William Branum:working on the road? Oh my god, dude, that was hysterical. That was great, man. It was perfect. Great. He did,
Nick Kumalatis:I, like, Steve doesn't even, isn't even good at social media. And that was a fucking ringer, bro. Yeah,
William Branum:yeah. Um, yeah. Anyways, before we did that,
Nick Kumalatis:Your 26 years in SEAL teams.
William Branum:That's a long fucking time, dude. It's actually a little bit of a white lie. I only spent, I spent 26 years in the Navy. 23 of those were SEAL teams. I made a tactile error, um, in my, when I, when I joined the Navy. And, uh, you know, the kind of, so I went and took the, you know, went to boot camp. I went to be a Navy SEAL. Uh, even though no one knew what the fuck a Navy SEAL was back then. There was no internets back in the day. Um, Had Charlie Sheen done his thing already? I think. I'm not sure. Definitely by the time I got to the SEAL teams, they made that as a thing. But, uh, there was nothing really else out there. Um, no books. I think maybe Rogue Warrior was out there. Marsenko. Um, but I learned about it in the Boy Scouts. I met a kid. He was a good swimmer. I was going to this national jamboree. I was poor as fuck growing up. Like, dirt poor. Like, free lunches. Kind of poor. And, um, But I was heavily involved in the Boy Scouts, I was an Eagle Scout, all that good stuff. And, uh, I went to the National Jamboree, and I met a kid, he was like, Yeah, I'm gonna be a, uh, I'm gonna go to the Naval Academy, I wanna fly up 14 Tomcats, I wanna be a Navy SEAL. I'm like, I wanna do all that, what's a Navy SEAL? And he explained it to me, and I was like, fuck yeah, that's what I wanna do. Although I didn't really wanna join the Navy. Cuz you know they have this big great things that float out there in the ocean No one doesn't sound so fun. No, not at all. My dad was in the Navy My grandfather's everyone was in the Navy. I'm like, I'm not gonna be in the Navy I know I heard what you guys do on the ship. Yeah, like that And and so the Navy recruiter called me after I got back from this National Jamboree and he was like, hey, man, you ever thought about joining the Navy and I was like fuck Well, I want to be a Navy SEAL and I want to go the Naval Academy and I want to fly up 14 Tomcats like Top Gun He's like, well, why don't you come on down here? And, uh, yeah, sure, kid. I got it. I got just the thing for you. He showed me this really cheesy, uh, seal recruiting video. And I'm like, fuck yeah. Where do I sign? Was that public
Nick Kumalatis:or was it, it
William Branum:was an internal video. It was, man, it was so bad. It was like, it was really cheesy, like cheesy GCI explosions. And yeah, like they weren't wearing camouflage. You're wearing like, uh, you know, like the eighties action movie kind of thing. Yeah. Awesome. All M 16, a two, a one rifles. Yeah, it was bad. Yeah. I mean, it was early nineties, like, yeah, right. Of course. So, dude,
Nick Kumalatis:I, I joined from a guy fighting a
William Branum:dragon, you know, I, dude, I was like, I maybe I wanna be a marine Yeah, yeah. They were fucking fighting dragons with swords, fields. I'm like, swords.
Nick Kumalatis:I'm like,
William Branum:fucking sign me up, bro. That's what I want. Yeah. Yeah. And I probably would have had, uh, I probably would've been, uh, dude, Marine Corps scout, sniper, recon, whatever. Can, can
Nick Kumalatis:you, can, we just appreciate our time of recruit recruiting videos
William Branum:versus today Oh yeah. How amazing were those videos? Yeah, they were awesome. I would join the Marine Corps right now. Compared to like With those videos. I don't
Nick Kumalatis:even know what to call our recruiting
William Branum:videos now. I don't see them. I don't watch TV. I don't think I can bring myself to do it. No man, you would break your heart. Break your heart. You'd be more angry. Yeah. I'm a nice guy though. Yeah, you are a nice guy.
Nick Kumalatis:Anyways, so you joined the Navy and then what happened?
William Branum:Uh, so I went to boot camp, I took the screening test, and I was focusing on like the minimum number, minimum standard. It took me a long time to like figure out why did I fucking fail the test? While I was looking at the minimum number of push ups, pull ups, and sit ups, it's a 500 yard swim. I'm an okay swimmer. I hate swimming, by the way. Um Most Navy SEALs don't like the water. It's amazing. Like, I tell people that and they're like, Are you fucking kidding me? You picked the wrong I'm like, yeah, I love it. So I got the muds and then they beat it out of me. Uh, it was like 52 push ups, 60 sit ups, 7 pull ups, and a mile and a half run in pants and, uh, and boots. Yeah. And, uh, I think I got to like number 37 in push ups and I couldn't do any more because I was focused on the The minimum standard. Yeah, I wasn't focused on like destroy the fucking standard, right? That was a different mindset. Like I had a lot of growing old at the time 18 years old Yeah, you don't know like I didn't know i'm like a fuck i'm i'm from unless you're told or backwoods, Mississippi nowhere land Like, I don't, I don't know any better. Unless you're taught, you don't Yeah, you don't know. Like, it wasn't built into me. I had, like, a mediocre mindset. I'm like, I'll be happy if I make 20, 000 a year. You know what I mean? Fuck.
Nick Kumalatis:So many men. It breaks my heart.
William Branum:Anyways. It's true. But you gotta, you gotta learn it. You gotta be, you gotta surround yourself by the fucking people that are gonna instill those things in you. They're gonna hold you, raise you to a higher, higher standard. And I, I think I started learning that in SEAL training. Um So what did you do before? What did you get stuck doing? Okay, so I ended up So The way the Navy works, it's a little different now, but the way it worked back then is you had to have a Navy job. So I was a gunner's mate. My dad wanted me to be, uh, to do, uh, electronics. He's like, that's the future. I'm like, okay, check. So I picked a Navy job that had to do with electronics, pneumatics, and hydraulics. And so that was gunner's mate, so that could, you know, have a skill when I got out or whatever. Um, and then I went to that school, it was six months long, I learned all the electronic stuff. Uh, I learned that I had a, uh, I thought I was a dumb kid. It turns out, you know, I found out much later in life that I have ADHD and, you know, whatever. Who doesn't? Right. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, I just thought I was dumb. And I, so, but I graduated What, what high performer doesn't have some sort of Some kind of, yeah. Some sort of ADHD, you know what I mean? And I, so I, like, I walked into these, like, study groups, and I was, you know, I was high enough in the class when the, when the class ended, um, to go to another school. And I was like, okay, so six months, I got in, I'm in pretty good shape, I can go past it, I know I can, like, destroy the screening test right now, but I'm gonna go take this other school for four more months in Virginia Beach. I was also lazy. That's the other thing. I was lazy as a kid. Um, even in the Navy. Like, I didn't want to get up at four o'clock in the morning. In fucking the winter time of Waukegan, uh, north of Chicago, Illinois, and go take the fucking screening test. Like it fucking sucks outside, it's cold, it's miserable, it's dark, it's scary, it's all that. gonna be up for like six more hours. Um, and so I was like, I'll just do it later. I was lazy. Um, looking back on it, I can admit that I'm brave enough to fucking admit my mistakes. Um, I've done
Nick Kumalatis:so many on this
William Branum:podcast alone. Right. And, uh, and so I'm like, I'll do it when I get to Virginia beach. And so I go to that school for a couple months. I'm like, Hey, uh, instructors, I want to take the seal screening test. Cause I want to go to buds after this. And they were like, uh, okay. So they looked into it and they're like, yeah, you're not going. Uh, because I took those orders to that school in Virginia Beach. I owed the Navy 24 months of obligated service to a ship in Yokosuka, Japan. Oh, cool. So, uh, so I'm like, fuck, what if I fail out of this school?, like, I can just fucking bomb right now. They're like, you're still going to that ship in Kuski Japan, , you're just gonna be painting and cleaning . Yeah, I'm gonna go to that billet. Um, and so I'm like, fuck, okay, I'm not a quitter, I'm just gonna go do it. And so I went and served my time, uh, on the ship. Uh, I did everything I needed to do. I was still very focused on what year was this, 90. I joined the Navy in 92, so 93, 94. Oh, wow. Um, so it was 13 months boot camp. Yeah, so I think I went out in 93. I lived on a ship for two years. When, you know, the way the Navy works is like, when you're nine months out from your rotation, you call your detailer and you say, This is what I want to do next and start that negotiation. Well, I called my detailer and said, Hey, I'm just letting you know, I'm going to put a package in to go to Bud's. I want to become a Navy SEAL. And he was like, that's great, but I'm not going to let you go. Well, why not? Well, that's because that school that you went to for four months over here, you're too critical to the Navy. Oh, shit. Uh, so I'm not gonna release you. I'm like, well, I'll get out. He's like, fine, get out. Cool. Yeah, beat it, beat it, Roach. I was like, um, but, but if I go to Bud's, I might not make it and you got me back. He's like, no deal. And so I'm like, fuck, okay. So I, you know, I called the seal detailer. I'm like, hey. Here's my, here's my package. Am I good to go? They're like, your detailer has to release you. I'm like, fuck. So I waited three more months. I called again, and then I'm trying to use logic. He's like, no, dude, you're too critical to the Navy. I'm like, but the re enlistment bonus for gunners mate missiles for VLS technician sucks. It's like 3, 000 and the Navy SEAL re enlistment bonus is 20, 000. How are you telling me that it's, they're the same, like, this is more critical. He's like, sorry, I'm not letting you go. Fuck. Okay, so I went and got letters of recommendation. I'm like, I got to find out how to get there. And then, uh, we got word that the Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Borda, at the time, was coming to our ship in Yokosuka, Japan. He didn't go to any other ship. He only came to our ship. And people were like, yeah, you know what, he's that guy that did the Seaman to Admiral program. He was a, you know, an E 1, and now he's the head motherfucker in charge. And, um, and so he came to the ship, he gave his vision of the Navy. He was like, this is what I think. Does anyone have any questions? I raised my hand, I was like, yeah. I was the second guy he called. He was like, I'm like, yeah, I joined the Navy to become a Navy SEAL. I think I deserve a chance to go. My detailer said, I'm too critical. He won't let me go. What do you think? He turns to my commanding officer. He was like, is he a good guy? He was like, yeah, he was a sailor of the quarter of this quarter. Like, you know, employee of the month or something. Sweeping or shining a fucking bright light. Got my picture right there. Yeah. He's like, yeah. So he turns back to me. He's like, check. You'll be in the first class after your PRD. Um, after that, the, the Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy came down, he's like, took my name and social, and he's like, I tried it, the easy part's done, it wasn't for me, good luck, and I was like, fuck, so I called Washington, the SEAL detailer that night, this was, again, before the internets, before Al Gore created the internets, and, uh, and, uh, and I'm like, hey You didn't catch any heat for this?
Nick Kumalatis:None. Zero. Do you know what would happen if you tried that shit in the Marine Corps? Like, it might still work. But you, you would have been lit on fucking
William Branum:fire by everyone. I let, I let people know beforehand. I let it, like I told my CEO, I was like, Hey man, Hey, I'm just so you know, I'm asking like, and people, people actually told me to ask. They're like, Hey man, you're, you're, you know, this is a guy who's a common sense leader. Yeah. Like people, you know, people that are overseas. Dude,
Nick Kumalatis:I had a common sense leader. I brought up some shit and, uh, on, on, um, John Berthanow's podcast, The Real Ones. I told him that story. Bro, they lit me on fucking fire. They crucified me. And I was still right. And it still worked. I got what I
William Branum:wanted. Yeah. Still crucified. So good on you, dude. Yeah, I, yeah, I got, but
Nick Kumalatis:there's a lesson there because I tell all people all the time, like, oh, they say no. I'm like, dude, here's the deal. It's your career. Yeah.
William Branum:What do you, what do you, the worst They're gonna say, what do you want out of it? They're gonna say, no, it's not their career. Right. It's your
Nick Kumalatis:career. Yeah. Like, you gotta go after and get what you want and you gotta figure out how to make that happen.
William Branum:Yeah. A hundred percent. So you did. Yeah. I And if, and if that didn't work, I was like, Congressman, like president, I don't, I don't fucking know. I'm gonna figure it out. Right. Um, again, you know, mediocre kid from Mississippi who, I don't know the difference, consequences. So what? What are you going to do to me? So yeah, he did it. So eventually I, and then I, six weeks later, I'm off to California, started SEAL training and it took me a short 13 months to get through that six month block of training because I got hurt, you know, a handful of times. I almost got kicked out, uh, after the second time I got hurt. Um, I remember the, so you go before board. So the first guy was like, well, you clearly didn't prepare well enough before you got here. So I'd recommend you to be dropped from training. I'm like, fuck, second guy. I go in there. I'm like on crutches and he's like, well, so and so recommended you to be dropped from training. I still haven't forgiven that motherfucker. He was the CEO of Zeal Team 4. Do you know who he is? Yeah, I know who he is. Um, he was a SEAL team at, he was a CO at Seal Team four, and I still hated that motherfucker.. I'm still hold a grudge to this day and I don't gotta let it, I don't hold grudges. You gotta let it go,
Nick Kumalatis:will
William Branum:You gotta let it go. I'm like, hopefully we get in a gunfight because . Um, but uh, so the second guy, I'm like fucking crying. I'm like, dude, I can't leave. If I leave then it's over. I may not ever get a chance to come back. Yeah. And right after that, Admiral Borda killed himself. Oh shit. And so I was like, I if, like I. I can't leave. And so he said, go stand outside. And he fucking left and he went to some meetings and he came back. Like, I'm like watching my class come in all wet and sandy. And all I want to do is be with those motherfuckers. I want to be gross and cold and fucking miserable. That's all I want right now. How weird, like, when you're there, you're like, God, I want this to end. I, I had a, I had a blast while I was there. I mean, it sucks. Like, don't get me wrong. It fucking sucks. But I was like, so fucking happy to be there. I was so happy. And then the guy comes back. It ain't a ship and it ain't Mississippi. It ain't. Neither one of those. And like, when we're running on the beach and they're like, some of you don't belong here. Some of you belong on that big gray thing out there in the old water. I'm like, not me. I did my time. And actually, I think, you know, uh, so I was, I, How old were you when you started, Buds? Uh, I think I was 21. A little bit better. I got there. Big
Nick Kumalatis:difference in 18 and 21. Yeah. And that, and people don't really understand that, but there's a level of maturity and understanding of like doing hard things and gritting it out. Not making like permanent decisions off temporary pain. Yeah. That happens between 18
William Branum:and early 20s. Yeah, I think, I mean, and I was like, I was, I think I was just happy to be there. Yeah. This is a dream. Like, what do I do when it's done? I don't know. But, like, worry about that. It gets a lot harder. It gets a lot harder. It gets a lot harder. This is actually the fun part. Right. Um, and so I was like, you know, I'm like there in his office like fucking tears, snot bubbles, the whole, the whole nine yards. And I'm like standing outside. Watch my class come in and I'm like, I just want to be with those fucking dudes right there. Like I started bonding with them and, uh. And he comes back like four hours later. He's like, what are you doing here? I said, you told me to stand outside. Like I'm fucking standing here till the fucking tomorrow. If I need to, I don't care. This is my, this is my new home. This is where I live now. He was like, oh, okay, well then go check in and you'll be like, go heal up and you'll be in the next class. So I'm like, check. So I went and, uh, checked into the, the, the holding facility for holding group and, uh, did all the rehab stuff. I still did not heal up. So the next, I was like, I'm on the fucking ropes right now. I gotta just fucking put out, even though I'm, I'm still broken. I made it all the way through first phase and through hell week broken. So how did you,
Nick Kumalatis:how did you, like, what was the lifestyle there when you're like basically in holding?
William Branum:Um, you work out twice a day. Um, are they
Nick Kumalatis:fucking with you or is it
William Branum:just kind of like, not really? No, they're just kind of trying to build you up. So you're either, you're either broken. Uh, in between classes or you're showing up and you're getting ready to class up into the first class. Um, and because I hadn't made it through Hell Week yet, I was just, you know, guys were coming in and I would help them, you know, Hey, you need to take your, your greens down to AB Brights. You need to do this. You need to do that, whatever. The small amount of information that I had. Um, here's how you do boats. Here's how you set things up. Uh, then when we, you know, the first two weeks or the two weeks prior to first phase starting, they start doing more indoctrination stuff. Like here's like actually preparing you for first phase, like drown proofing where you're tied up and thrown in the water, uh, swimming with fins, which is very different than swimming without fins. Uh, you know, sand runs, calisthenics on the beach, all that, all that first phase stuff. And, uh, so they're just preparing you for first phase so that hopefully the high quality person on the, like come out the backside of it. Um, And I didn't, you know, I didn't, I didn't heal up. I still got out there and I did all the things I needed to do, but I limped my way all the way through first phase. Damn. Like, I made one four mile time run, like I had to make one in under 32 minutes. And, uh, I just, I remember the day that I did it. I don't know what happened, what happened in my mind. I just woke up that morning and I'm like, I woke up that morning at 5 a. m. I'm gonna go fucking crush this run. I'm still hobbling along. What was the actual injury? I don't know. Like, so my, my left knee, so it was the first run that I ever kept up on in Buds. I didn't go in the goon squad, which is like extra, extra attention, like extra work. I kept up on the run, and I'm sitting there stretching out while the goon squad's going on. Goon squad's released, they come back to the class, and they're like, Everyone, go hit the serve. And I stood up, and I fucking fell down. My left knee just stopped working. Like it wouldn't fight, like it wouldn't hold any weight. I could stand on that leg. I couldn't hold any weight on it. Um, they did MRIs. They did a bunch of tests. They're like, we don't know what's wrong with you. You just need to suck it up. Okay. I'm going to suck it up. So, uh, that's really how I got through. And that, you know, I just, that one, I think it was a Monday or Tuesday. Does it bother you now? No, it actually stopped. Thursday of Hell Week, it started working again. It's fucking weird as shit. Like, I'm like, what's wrong with my body? I have no idea. All of a sudden, I'm like, oh, I can keep up now. I wonder
Nick Kumalatis:if it was just, and I see, I saw this a lot in young guys, and it happens a lot now, that if you're not really an active kid,
William Branum:Yeah.
Nick Kumalatis:up, going through, up and coming through life, and I don't know if you played sports or did anything like that, but if you're not an active kid and all of a sudden you get thrown into a ton of activity, and repetition for a long period of time in the military training. I, they just kind of like have these weird, like crumbling.
William Branum:It could, their body
Nick Kumalatis:could have been, their body just can't really
William Branum:handle the volume. Could have, could have been, I mean, I had a broken ankle at one point. Um, which was another funny story. Like I rolled my ankle and, uh, the, the, on the sand in the sand. And, uh, this was the first time I got rolled. Um, And I showed up the next like Monday morning and I'm like, I just don't have any power. Like I don't, like I, I don't have the power in my jumping, like doing the dirty name and stuff on the, on the obstacle course. So I went to medical and I remember it was a, she was a female EOD PA. And she was like, I think you're fine. You probably just need to suck it up, but we're going to send you for x rays anyway. And so we went to get x rays and there's like an inch chunk of bone that was broken off from the bottom of my ankle. That bone that goes on the outside. And, uh, she came back and she was like, I'm sorry. She apologized. Uh, your ankle actually is broken, like very broken. And, uh, we're gonna, like, roll you and put you in a cast. It was an air cast. And after a couple weeks, I could still, I could do everything I needed to do. Yeah. I was still on crutches. I was, but I was able to, uh, you know, I put this air splint thing in my boot and I had a, like a carbon fiber insert. Oh, so you kept going? I just kept going. I mean, I didn't go, I didn't like, like going back. I'm like, shit, I wish I'd have just like gone through training like that. It would have been fine. Yeah. I would have been good enough. But you took a pause. They rolled me. Like, they're like, you have a fucking broken bone. You can't keep going. So I recovered from that, and then I, But we're,
Nick Kumalatis:the right type of guy that graduates when you're in that, you're like, Fuck that, I'm just gonna
William Branum:keep going until the fault's off. Right, but I didn't, I didn't know any better, I was, whatever. Um, the second time, when I'm injured, I'm like, Now I'm like, Shit, I should've just stayed in the fuckin class and just fuckin sucked it up. But, whatever, I, I ended up going to the third class, And then, making it through Hell Week, And I learned some really valuable lessons in Hell Week, And one of them was, so, I, That was really where I really learned about if you don't want to be here, get the fuck out. You're bothering me. Like, when I first got there, I was like, No, man, stay. Come on. Let's fucking do this together. Let's, like, I bonded with people. Well, I'd been there for, like, six or eight months at that point. You don't want to be here? Get the fuck out. I, you're slowing me down now. I have a, I'm trying to get through this. Um, and this really culminated during Hell Week. And I remember watching one boat crew. win everything from Sunday night through Monday. I'm like, ah, what are they doing? Why are the guys that I'm with like fucking quitting and not wanting to put out and not wanting to fucking keep up? And, and, and then Monday late afternoon before dinner, we had lost enough people. So they reshuffled boat crews. And I'm like, I want to be in boat crew three. Those motherfuckers are winning. I want to see who's in there. And I want to be surrounded by winners. And so, um, you know, you do a boat cruise by height line. So I was like, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. One boat, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, one, two, three, four. I'll be number five and boat crew three. If I'm not tall enough, I'll pile some fucking sand under my feet to make sure that I'm the right height, six, seven. I don't care who else's is. And when I got in that boat crew, I was like, there's no superstars here. No, everybody was average as fuck. There's working together. And they just had this unspoken, like we want to win. And it didn't matter if we were going to the chow hall or we're doing a race. Like if we started in the back of all the boats, by the time we got to the chow hall, we were in the front. Everything we did, we wanted to win. And that was the first time I had really been surrounded by winners. Like people who just wanted to fucking win. We don't care the cost. We don't care the price. And there were times where I certainly felt sorry for myself. Like if my stomach hurts, my legs hurt. Oh my god, I don't want to keep up. But I knew if I Slowed down that I slowed the whole fucking boat crew down and I couldn't do that. I couldn't do that Like I have to fucking put out I have to keep up with them So they brought like that was my first Experience of like having other people like bring me up to their level. They didn't know they were bringing me up to their level I was just like, I'm not going to let you
Nick Kumalatis:in. The reality is, if you've gotten some of their psyche, it was probably the exact same for
William Branum:them. Right. I'm sure everyone in there suffered at some point.
Nick Kumalatis:Everybody's thinking the same shit, you know what
William Branum:I mean? And we all just sort of meshed together. But you're
Nick Kumalatis:like, I can't because of Will is
William Branum:pushing out, so Right. And I was for sure, they knew that I was gimpy as fuck. Like, there was no question. I was taking They're like,
Nick Kumalatis:he's broken, if he's doing it, if
William Branum:I stop, I'm a little bitch. Right. I was taking like 1600 milligrams three times a day. Yeah, bro. We chew this up. Ibuprofen. Fucking Skittles, bro. Yeah, like every meal. That's why I don't do that shit anymore. Yeah, as little as possible. I'm done. Um, I have my allotment for my life, right? And then in second phase, so I got rolled. So I've made it through hell week, but I had stress fractures from all the gimping around. I did. So they because I've made it to a major milestone, uh, they rolled me to the next class because for stress fractures, second phase, which actually is harder than first phase. In my opinion, it's dive phase and it's where you, you know, you do all the underwater. Like, Jiu Jitsu stuff. That shit fucks people up. It's, yeah, and so I was
Nick Kumalatis:a weird, that for me, that portion of training on our side, I was a sadist. For some reason I liked it. Yeah, I fucking hated it. Yeah, that was the one thing, I like, I got a weird I don't know. I got a weird chub
William Branum:off of it for some reason. Fucking bring it, bitch. You got some good lungs. I've got micro lungs over here. Yeah, 90 more.
Nick Kumalatis:90 more. But then I did, and they would come down and they would, you know, do the water jiu jitsu stuff. And I'd be like, yeah, fuck yeah. Hit me harder. Um, it was weird,
William Branum:dude. I'm fucking weird. I was like out of breath before they even finished. I'm like, I'm like doing this. I'm like, Like this. I'm like, funky chicken. I'm like, And there's he's still fucking tying knots in my yeah,
Nick Kumalatis:I shit. I was fucking I was I was like, dude I was I was messing with people who would you know, the safety guy that has the hose I'm like, dude, you want to suck off another man's hose? Fuck that bro. I'm never sucking another man's hose. I would just like rack on my own guys But for some reason that was just like my thing, you know, I was like I was I was into it It's weird
William Branum:and then we're all a little weird. I know right? And then a bunch of guys, like five of the seven of us, ended up rolling into the next class. Wow. And then about once a year, the second phase instructors will break out the boats that you use during first phase. And because you've fucked up and you do stupid shit and they're like, I'm going to go fucking hammer you. And, you know, put your masks on, fucking sea bag, half full of sand on your back and fucking carry boats up and down the beaches and run races. So we're doing this again. Right. And so, so we started off all in different like boat crews again. And then, at some point, we ended up, like, the five of us ended up in the same fucking boat crew. We just sort of gravitated back to one another. Like, let's just Yeah, like, hey, I know you. Hey, I trust you. Hey, you're We know how to win together. And then we started fucking winning again. Yeah. And so, I was like, again, reinforced, like, be surrounded by fucking people who want to fucking win. Yeah. Like, those are the people I want the only people I want in my life. The lesson there is ditch your loser friends. Yes. For fuck's sake, yes. Yes. So, yeah. Awesome. And then eventually graduated and went to SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 2, where Ray Cash Kerr, former Navy SEAL, was my sea daddy, and uh, he taught me a bunch of shit, and uh, I learned how to live on a submarine, which is fucking terrible. For a large guy like you, it is pretty terrible. There's way bigger guys that do it. And I'm, yeah, Ray, Ray and Jay seems
Nick Kumalatis:like submarine SEALs. It seemed like good
William Branum:submarine SEALs. Jay was, I don't think ever on a sub Ray was, so there's a funny story about Ray. So the SEALs used to work in the dry deck shelter where we launched the SEAL delivery vehicle from. And, uh, and I was, you know, a young guy, like it was a nighttime, whatever. And we had these inflatable UDT life vests, double pull for, you know, for, I think you can dive them down to 80 feet or so. And we're on the deck of the submarine, we're at like 25 30 feet of water, working outside, and Ray's toggle gets pulled, so his CO2 thing gets pulled, his fucking thing inflates. And he, it's nighttime. Oh shit. And he's like about to get sucked up to the surface. So he like hooks the, the, the, the cradle where the SDV normally is and he pulls his dive knife out and he's stabbing himself in the fucking chest to deflate his, his, his life, his life jacket. And, uh, and I'm in the, he is never told me that ask him about it. And so I'm in the like transfer trunk doing like un under instruction stuff and they're like, oh, just put brand out there. Well, I have like, you know, half air in my life jacket in case I, you know, pass out or something in there, uh, safety precaution. And then they put me in the, they put me on the, on the deck of the submarine at nighttime, first time ever. Like, I go out there, and it's about 30 feet, and they like, hands me a bottle, and all I see is like, it looks like some, like, techno, fuckin rave concert thing, all I really see is like, red and green chemlights all around, it's just completely overwhelming, and I like, go under Like, I don't even know what they were saying about me. And they're, and they were like. Get him back in. He doesn't need, he's never been on deck. Like, yeah. So anyway, I was, uh, yeah, I had some lessons learned. We all do. In my, yeah, in
Nick Kumalatis:my youth. I have my own stories too, uh, as well that are, is super embarrassing. And that, that's for your podcast when I go on there. Um, So once you got done, how many different, how many different teams were you on?
William Branum:Um, so I was on the sealed delivery vehicle team twice. So the first team and the last team I was on were both. So in Virginia and then lastly in, in Hawaii. Um, and the reason I went back to the sealed delivery vehicle teams was because they were doing stuff that they wouldn't tell me, or said they couldn't tell me. They're like, you don't have the need to know. I'm like, I have a top secret clearance. Like, you don't have the need to know. You don't have the clearance to know what we're doing. I'm like, I'm going to fucking know. I want to know. And so I went out there and I saw what they were doing. And it's like, like the strategic. Importance of the mission is pretty badass. It is a not as sexy mission. There ain't nothing sexy about it. No one joins the fucking SEAL teams to do that mission. Dude, here's the deal
Nick Kumalatis:with, here's the deal with all of it. When it comes down to this. It all looks really sexy on TV. All of it. Okay? When you really do it for real, it ain't that fucking
William Branum:sexy. There's like, there's like, like you have, like this is your career, like this much of it is sexy. Yeah. Like maybe.
Nick Kumalatis:Other than, other than that, 98 percent of it just fucking sucks. Yeah. I love the movies how these guys are like all snooping through the woods and this and that. And I'm like, have you ever patrolled in the woods on fucking knots? Pissed off by the time I get there. Yeah, like on fucking knots. It's not fucking fun. No.
William Branum:It doesn't look that cool. There's no trails, there's no nothing. Yeah, right. Tripping and falling down. Especially
Nick Kumalatis:in fucking, you know, you're diving and uh, you know, with the Mark 25's and You get to a dock or something and you're, you know, you're 15 feet below and you're trying not to fucking like
William Branum:expand your lungs too much. You
Nick Kumalatis:got a breather thing down. Shit's fucking going all over the place and you're trying to hold onto the thing and put a sensor on something. You're like, this is a fucking shit show. Yes it is. In the movies, it looks so fucking cool. These guys come up and they put it on there.
William Branum:Swim away and Right. And then also like, whatever you breathe, you're breathing back down. So you like, as you come up and you peak right. You, you didn't breathe it down enough and you misjudged your depth and all of a sudden you're like a fucking buoy on top of the, what the fuck? What the fuck? And your buddy's like trying to pull
Nick Kumalatis:down. Yeah. You're all, you're all linked together. It's just a total, like, I wish you could just see what really happens, because it's like a total clusterfuck under the water. Oh, it's a miracle that we get anything done, but, um, nonetheless. So anyways, you stayed operational the whole time, or did you actually have to go be an adult?
William Branum:I did be an adult a couple times. Um, I, so I taught sniper school for a while, a little while. That's right. Actually, I was teaching sniper school when 9 11 happened. That was interesting. Um, really on a leadership, because I was not the senior guy. That was the senior instructor., the guy who actually ran the school was in California trying to accredit the, you know, accredit, get the course accredited and all that other stuff. I, I remember that. Yeah. And, um, and so because you guys would send guys to our school Yeah, yeah, yeah. Before that. Yeah. Actually, the guy who, who started our course, he went to Marine Corps Sniper School. He went to Army Sniper School and he did some other, like the FBI Academy or something, which is really Marine Corps Sniper school. Yeah. And he came, he like, he. took all the stuff that he liked from those courses and put them together and started our course. Um, and then the West Coast kind of did something similar. They put something together. Like there's some, there's some, there's some guys on the internet that, uh, take credit for starting the, the West Coast Sniper. course, and they have, I've, I've heard them take credit for all the kills that Chris Kyle had. Uh, they took credit for That's the kind of thing with the SEALs, right? Marcus, Marcus Luttrell, like they basically were the reason that he made it out in, uh, in Operation Red Wings. And I'm like, , are you fucking kidding me? There, there's, there's a lot of that in this SEAL community. I see. Apparently there's a lot of, apparently, apparently, I, I missed out on it. I miss out on a lot of it.
Nick Kumalatis:Multiple, multiple people shooting the same guy., lot of, lot. Everybody started something, a lot of movies being had. Yeah.
William Branum:Where's your book? I haven't, I haven't written it yet. I'm working on it though. Fuck. Working on it. I don't Are you even a Seal? If you want a book? I, I have, I have a couple in me. Like, you know, it's funny, it's funny that you say that. Like, all the shit that I do now are all the, all the things I said I would never do. Really? Writing a book will be, like, fuckin number seven or something. Like, number one, I said I would never join the Navy, and I did that for 26 years. I said I would never be, uh, in the sales. Well, I have a CBD company, uh, and I do sales for, you know, the project. I do some other stuff. Uh, I said I'd never be one of those people on stage going rah, rah, rah, what the fuck am I going to say? Well, guess what? There I am. And, uh, I'm never going to be one of those life, business, whatever the fuck, leadership coaches. And here you are. Here I am doing that. Never going to write a book. Well, I've got one. I'm working on one right now. I've got two more that I, like, are in the, kind of, the back. I'm looking to be on a, do a TED Talk in a couple weeks. That's awesome. Um, so, yeah. Uh, uh, yeah. Never say never. Never fucking say never.
Nick Kumalatis:Never say never. Cause you'll eat it for sure. My kids have actually called me on that. I'm like, oh, I'm never doing that. And then my daughter's like, dad, didn't you say we're never gonna do that? I'm like, you shut your mouth. Shut your
William Branum:face, kid.
Nick Kumalatis:You don't know what you're talking about. You're a kid. You don't know what you're talking about. I'm an adult. And they're just laughing at me all the time. So, well, that's awesome, dude. Well,
William Branum:uh, congratulations on 26 years. Thank you, sir. What made you want to get out? I didn't want to get out. I didn't want to get out. Like really, I was very comfortable. You had four more years you could have rolled. I, they, because I was an E8, you only can stay. for 26 years, unless you do some sort of other thing.
Nick Kumalatis:I didn't make it that far. I was
William Branum:a quitter at 12. So I don't know the rules. So, so yeah, you can only stay for the, based on your rank. Like if I'd have done some like shit job overseas for a year, like I could have stayed an extra year, but I, I didn't. So, and I was in denial on getting out. Like I talk about, you know, my transition from the military to civilian life, hardest fucking military mission I've ever been Still on it today. Still figuring my shit out. Now I tell guys, like, you're getting ready to get out, at least an out, like, and people told me this, and I said, fuck you, I got it covered, I'm, I'll be fine. Um, I'm like, dude, you start. Figuring out what you want to do at least a year out Maybe two at least the first chapter of what you want to do because it's gonna change and that's fine And you know in the first thing I did when I got out. I started a consulting business Because my last three years in one of my you know Grown up jobs in the Navy. I was in the in the N8 shop. So I did all, you know, acquisitions for, uh, before that it was at the headquarters in, in California. I did, you know, combat uniforms, um. camouflage patterns. I did, uh, winter combat uniforms. I did body armor, I did helmets, I did eye protection. I did headsets, tactile headsets. I did everything that the operator uses minus the radio and the gun. Mm-Hmm.. I got put every, I outfitted the operator 'cause, and part of that was like, I'm still an operator. I'm going back to a team after this. Yeah. I want the best shit out there. Yeah, you're,
Nick Kumalatis:you're very heavily, the guys that do that, even in our community as well, you're, you pick a guy who, cause you're heavily invested in.
William Branum:Yeah. And I, I worked with guys from, from Marsoc, from, from your side and they actually were smarter about it than what we were. We were looking at the big program. They're like, we like that. We like that. And we like that. That's what we're going to buy. And I'm like, that's smarter than what we're doing, but okay. Um, and, and so then I did it again. On, you know, my last three years, in addition to that, we have a system in the, in the SEAL teams called the Operational Deficiency Report, ODR. And so basically, it doesn't matter if you're the most junior guy or middle or senior guy at a team, if there's an operational deficiency, whether it's equipment, a TTP, tactics, techniques or procedures, or anything else. That you can write a report, it goes up the chain of command, it gets adjudicated, and then works its way up to, up to WARCOM. And now it's, it's not a requirement, but it's a, a, a, an operational deficiency. And you can, and you can, people can read them. Right. Yeah. And, and so we had a bunch at the, at the, at the headquarters level in Hawaii, and no one was doing anything about it. And so I rolled into the, into that shop and then my new boss rolled in and he's like, Hey, we got all these things. We either need to do something about them or just. We don't actually need that and so I'm like, uh, he's like, who wants to, I'm like, I got that one. I'll take that one. I'll take that one. I'll take that. Like, I just took a whole bunch of them and you know, out of that, I went and found 16 million, 16 million of other people's money to solve these operational deficiencies. So we created like quantum cascading lasers for certain wavelengths of light. that, you know, we would use in emergency situations, underwater communication stuff, um, inflatable sled technology, drop stitch, you know, basically we wanted to be able to have a backpack that we could throw in a, like a high speed craft and, uh, if the SDV goes down in someplace it maybe shouldn't be, shouldn't be there, yeah, not international waters, um, you know, these, you know, It's actually really smart. Put a, like a big signature out there. And, uh, you know, we had a hard, we were looking at working on a, uh, like a hard one that was, you know, that was pretty well hidden, but also an inflatable one. So just kind of in more extremist stuff. And so I went out and like found people's money, other people's money. And so I was going to turn that into my next gig after I retired. And what I found is most people in that industry, they had already been burned by consultants. And so, it was like, I told people I'm a consultant, they're like, fuck you, go, go suck it, Trebek, we're not talking to you. We, we hate consultants, like, they get paid and we get nothing. I'm like, so I had to, like, I did alright in some of the stuff, but I was for sure not happy. I'm like, this fucking sucks. Um, and I live on a rock in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, so my network is very hard to, yeah, not, not the best. Um. And then I was like, you know, struggling with baggage. Yeah. And 26 years of garbage. Yeah. Maybe it's not so awesome relationships that may have been a part of. Yeah. And, uh, we collect along the way as well. Yeah. And so I was drinking myself to sleep at night, fucking glasses of vodka. Um, I'd heard about this molecule called CBD and actually Ray gave me my first bottle of CBD. No shit. And, uh, I was in Virginia going to court, ex wife for the 800, 000 fucking time, still going to court with her, um, and I had lunch with Ray because I hadn't really talked to Ray in years and, um, and I'm like, hey, when I finish here, I'm going to go see if I can find some CBD because maybe what you have in Virginia is better than we have in Hawaii. I have no idea. He's like, Oh, if you want CBD, I've got some at the house. When we went back to his house, he gave me a bottle. I used it that night. I use it for that 30 days. Maybe I was a little less pissed off. Maybe I wasn't, I don't really know. Um, but what I noticed is when I ran out of that bottle is things that weren't bothering me for a long time, started bothering me again. And so when I kind of did a little more introspective work, I was like, huh, maybe it was the CBD. And so I tried a different brand. I had similar results. And so to kind of like. Visualize it. So water boils at 212 degrees. I was probably living my life at 210 degrees and I didn't even fucking know it. Yeah. And so it went like CBD. It took me from like 210 to 205 to 200 to 195 to 190, maybe 185. I got out of that red zone and I was able to just have better positive self talk and then, you know, then I started a CBD company. I'm like, Oh, that's fucking awesome. Like this is maybe this is my new mission and my new purpose. Cause you know, when I got out of the military, I'm like, I lost my purpose, my mission and my team. And I had a fucking badass mission purpose and team yeah, of course, and then I'm like fuck what I do now I'm lost and whatever so I'm not much. I'm a shitty
Nick Kumalatis:consultant that
William Branum:nobody likes right? No one likes fucking consultants So clearly that's not where I need to go And so what I was doing for that consulting gig was I was just re like reverse engineering it. Like, I had the contacts. I had the, the end user. I just needed companies to bring me technology that says, Hey, I got this thing. I'm going to sell it to the government, but maybe it's for the military. Well, let's look at it. And maybe it's not ready for prime time. I can go find millions of dollars in R and D funds to make it ready for prime time. Um, but then I'm like, Oh, CBD, that changed my life. Maybe it can help other, other veterans, other first responders, other people, period. Um, and so I started Yeah. And so I started drinking less. Um, again, I didn't realize it. It was just something that just happened after taking CBD. Started the company. It's funny, like the, I met the, the girl that was, that basically pulled my man card from me. Like I, at Bedros event four years ago in San Diego. Um, cause he had like this Q and A sort of hot seat and she had a CBD company. She was putting CBD into kinesiology tape, like rock tape and things like that. I had heard about that. And, uh, and all I knew was like CBD girl. So I followed her, kind of stalked her like after the event and I was like, Hey, you're the CBD girl, right? She was like, yeah. I'm like, Hey, I want to do CBD also. Like I wanted her to hire me. Maybe she's my new mission, purpose and team and whatever. And she was like, so you want to do A to B, B to B or B to C? I'm like, I don't know what those letters mean. I want to do C B D. And she was like, well, just start your own CBD company. I said, I don't know how to do that. She leaned in and said, you are a Navy SEAL. You can figure it out. So she says, so I politely asked her for my man card back. And, uh, and so she gave it back to me. You're like, you are, you are
Nick Kumalatis:actually right.
William Branum:Don't, don't get that shit up again. I forgot about that. Yeah, so then I started Naked Wear Recovery. Uh, it's a fucking hard industry to market. Yeah, we've talked about it a lot. And, uh, so I hired Bajras to help me. I've hired Sharan Srivatsa also as a business, uh, coach. And both of them are like, hey man, why aren't you coaching? Why aren't you speaking? Why aren't you doing these things? Why aren't you doing that? Because I said, those are the top seven things I'd never fucking do. Yeah, I said, what the fuck do I do? So anyway, um, from, you know, coaching with those guys, I'm like, now I speak, and now I coach, and now I, you know, sell CB, now I sell the project, now I sell a lot of stuff. Yeah. So,
Nick Kumalatis:Talk to me about, so, so, it's actually funny, I've gotten guys, uh, that, You know, I, I obviously coach as well. They come in here and we, we rip their whole life apart and blackboard their stuff out. A lot of them, especially high performers like ourselves, we cannot down regulate. No. Like we're just, even though we're exhausted, our brain is just like going, going, going, going. So they don't, so I actually recommended a couple of them. Uh, actually several of them for years and they're like, Oh yeah, I'm out. Yeah, it's up. I'm
William Branum:going. It's done. Like it just yeah, it works. It works. And,
Nick Kumalatis:um, so yeah, thanks for that. So yeah, thank
William Branum:you for sure. Get naked. Get
Nick Kumalatis:naked. Get naked. Get naked.
William Branum:Talk to me about getting naked. Get naked. So get so when I talk about getting naked originally, um, I was afraid to use that sort of tagline because I was like, Oh, maybe it's a little too risque. Well, guess what? That's what actually gets people's attention. And that's what you want the marketing. Um, yeah. It was originally about, like, taking my ego off, taking that armor that I was fucking carrying around, taking off. The badass Navy SEAL stuff? It's, uh, no. It's, uh, it's the stop trying to be a fucking badass. Yeah. You don't, like, no one cares. No, you didn't. No one cares. Yeah. You're not gonna find healing that you need if you keep like keeping people at bay Yeah So really, you know I you know we put on armor when we go into combat and when we go into harm's way because it's What we need to do it saves our life sometimes. Or if we're instructing the project. Oh, yeah And But when we come back, we take our armor off. We just hit the showers, get naked, whatever. And, uh, and rest and recover, get ready for the next mission. Well, in life, we don't do that in life. We fucking, you know, we, we, we feel like we're attacked. You know, someone might be tapping you on the shoulder like this, and it's not a big deal. If I do that for a week, I'm going to have a bruise, you're going to have a bruise on your arm. If I do that for a month, you're going to have, like, the fucking soft winter breeze comes by. That's going to hurt your arm. And so, a lot of us have that damage, so we feel like we need to be fucking armored up all the time. Well, we don't. We can take our fucking armor off. We can, you know, relax and, like, trust other people. Don't trust everyone, but find people that you fucking trust and like, take that armor off, get naked, like, expose yourself. You
Nick Kumalatis:find the winners, the boat crew.
William Branum:Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. That you can, like, be naked around. Yeah. Figuratively. Uh, and then, maybe, whatever. Whatever. Um, however it works out. It's 2023. It's cool. Yeah, it's cool now. Um And then, you know, NAKED is also an acronym that I, that I talk about from stage and the N is for Never Quit, the A is Accept Failure, the K is Kill Mediocrity, the E is Expose Your Fears, and D is Do the Work. And I actually, you know, even though I came up with the acronym and all that other stuff, I still go back to those things. Like, sometimes I focus more on, like, exposing my fear. Other times I focus on killing mediocrity. Sometimes I'm like, fuck dude. It's like a self, it's like a self, self check. Right. Yeah. Or, Do the Work. Like, I had a conversation earlier this week, like, are you fucking willing to do the work? Like, someone was saying that to me, and I was like, fuck. Yes, I think I am. But it, but it's, you know, they're using my own medicine against me. Do
Nick Kumalatis:you have, and we've talked about this in the past, but it's, cause it amazes me, cause everybody does. Do you get imposter syndrome? All the time.
William Branum:26 Navy SEAL. All the
Nick Kumalatis:fucking time. Like, you've, you were
William Branum:an E8. Yeah. All the fucking time. And you still, like, get imposter syndrome about being Like, I was, like, I, like, I got nervous. It's funny. I got nervous, like, at, at, at BK Live. I was, like, fucking, like, I was, like, I walked up there and I'm like, I fucking own this stage. My fucking stage, no one can fucking take, Bader's Kool Aid can't fucking take it away from me. And, whatever. And then I'm, like, giving the same presentation to the guys at the project. And I got fucking nervous. Super weird, right? It doesn't make any Like there was a fucking camera guy right there and I'm like nervous cause the camera guy is fucking taking pictures of me. What the fuck? Layton's waiting for you to say something. Yeah, right? But, uh, but all of my clients, they all have impostors. I'm like, you know, but you know what, who doesn't have impostor syndrome? Impostors. Impostors. They believe their own bullshit so much. Yeah, and they're like, holy shit, like I just fucking like, yeah. No one, once I realized that, I'm like, oh, so it's okay to have imposter syndrome. This is normal. This is totally fine. Yeah. Just
Nick Kumalatis:don't let it own you. Right. Yeah. Do the
William Branum:work. Yeah, exactly. Do it in
Nick Kumalatis:spite of. Yeah. In spite of fear. And that's, I think that's, and not only imposter, but fear alone, like you're, you're gonna, of course you're gonna be afraid. Yeah. Like talking about even combat like you're not
William Branum:afraid in combat. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah shit starts blowing up around you. You're like Fuck this is not cool anymore. Yeah, guess what
Nick Kumalatis:you trained you do the work. Anyway,
William Branum:yeah show up moving
Nick Kumalatis:forward Keep moving forward. Yeah, and and that's and and and any any performer out there is I'm just like guys And the problem what sucks is when they get imposter syndrome, so they don't do it.
William Branum:Yeah, they don't
Nick Kumalatis:make the call They don't start the business. They don't make the video. They don't write the book. They don't do whatever the thing is that's calling them to do. Because like, nah, you know, who am I? You're a fucking 26 year former Navy SEAL. That's who the fuck you are. You're like,
William Branum:yeah, but yeah, but yeah, but oh, but they told us not to advertise the nature of our work Oh, they took like yeah, all that shit just like swirls around It took me a long time to even our communities real bad to like say anything our
Nick Kumalatis:communities So bad you step out of line you step out in this in the light just a little bit Who the fuck do you think silent professional
William Branum:motherfucker? Yeah, you don't pay my bills anymore So you can't say that to me and and the thing that I
Nick Kumalatis:had and I did that I still got burned anyway, and that's when it hit me. I was like, wait a minute. I did all the right things the way that they told me, and I still got fucked. So
William Branum:Do my own thing. I'm gonna do my own thing. Yeah. Guess what? And I, I do, I have watched you do that, and I'm like, I, like, it's fucking inspiring. I'm like, fuck yeah. Just fucking do it. Yeah.
Nick Kumalatis:Because it's, no matter what, they're gonna, like, we know they're gonna talk shit regardless. Right.
William Branum:Talk, talk as much shit as you want. I don't care. You know what? I'm gonna go cash some checks while you're talking shit. I'm gonna cash, I'm
Nick Kumalatis:gonna cash checks and I'm gonna go home and bang my wife. Yeah. And, and serve my, serve my community. And you can keep, you can keep feeling sorry for yourself. Um, anyways. So yeah, no more imposter syndrome. Just fucking go do the thing, live your life. But my, my analogy was like, you, you would never tell a doctor or a lawyer that you do this time, you do this amount of time and they're like, okay, I'm gonna go to this other clinic or this new profession. Or
William Branum:professional athlete. Whatever.
Nick Kumalatis:And say. You cannot talk about what you did. What? That's all you got,
William Branum:bro.
Nick Kumalatis:Like, if you were in the military and you were in special operations especially with us that got in young and then got out
William Branum:when we're older. You know what I mean? There's a gap in my resume. 26 year gap. What were you doing? I can't tell
Nick Kumalatis:you. Get the fuck out of here, you know what I mean? And, uh, and you just don't, you don't do that, but this community, this, this thought that like you have to be this solid professional and you can do it, there's good and bad ways to do it, but dude, you own that shit. You went to Bud's. Yeah. You got a fucking trident. Yeah. What's the percentage of people in the United States that have a fucking trident, a trident on their chest? Yeah, that's
William Branum:not, not a lot. Get fucking bit, assholes. Point zero something, zero, zero, zero. Fuck it, just a
Nick Kumalatis:lot of zeros. A lot of zeros after that point, right? Like, and that's the biggest thing for me is like, you didn't do it. And the only person's hating on it is other people wearing the same fucking
William Branum:thing. Yep. Like, dude. And they, they, they do it while they're in, but when they get out, they're like, oh, maybe. Shit. I did it when I was in. I'm, I'm guilty. Oh, I'm guilty. I'm guilty. So am I. But, whatever. But I, I've learned. Cause you don't
Nick Kumalatis:know. Yeah. You don't know what you don't know until you get out and you're like, oh shit. This entire adult life of mine is all I have to go, to go make a whole new life, a whole new life. Now, obviously I've, I've, you know, I started with like the guns and the training and the typical, like, sure. So I was like, this, well, it's, I guess this is what we do now. This is cool. This is pivot. This is cool. And then thank God my wife was like watching me one day on the range teaching people. She's like, Do you, do you like this? No, people are idiots. No, I'm like, no, I don't, I don't like this. I'm fucking miserable. She goes, you look really miserable. She's like, maybe we should do something else. And you know, through doing and starting businesses, of course, I found my own way. But, um, but God, that was miserable. That's a
William Branum:process.
Nick Kumalatis:That's a whole process. Process into its own. Yes, it is. Um, and you know what? It was good that I did do that because it, you know, you, you learn from failing, you learn from doing the things that you're not good, you know, and like, okay, well, I don't know what not to do now. And then you find you, you know, through that journey, you go like, oh, I'm really fucking
William Branum:like this. And I think that's like the super important thing that you said is like, you just go and you fucking fail. Yeah, you got, you can't be afraid of failure.
Nick Kumalatis:You're never going to do it. Yeah. You're never going to find it sitting still. Are you? You got to walk the yellow brick road to, to find the adventure. Yeah. You have
William Branum:like failure, like that's just part of the process. Yeah. And you know, we, you, you got to be okay failing
Nick Kumalatis:a lot. I think that, I think a lot of our own guys too, are guys, at least in the military first responder, like we're, we're programmed so much that failure is final. Failure is like, you're not allowed to fail when really it's just feedback. Exactly. It's a, it's a tuition payment. Yeah. And, and that was something the same with me. Like I, I would like where my failure would like crush me. Well, that's
William Branum:also part of that imposter syndrome. Then you're like, well, I'm so and so I fucking did these things and I failed. How, how I failed at like the simple fucking task. Oh dude, I've like over and over.
Nick Kumalatis:Marriage, failed business, failed finances, failed bankruptcy, all of it. Like
William Branum:I don't have bankruptcy, but I got all those failures., I, I, maybe I'm just shy of bankruptcy.
Nick Kumalatis:I've got the fucking lot, bro. I've, I've got it all. And, and that's the thing is once you start doing that, you're like, well, now once, and you really lean into it all it, it becomes compounding interest. Yeah. So like, now you're starting like, oh, when you do something. You know before I started Johnny Slicks with Johnny, I had already had all those failures. Right. So he shows up, we partner, and I'm like This is what we're gonna do. Just trust me. Yeah,
William Branum:and he was like, got it. You know what I mean? I don't need to be the boss of anything. You know what I'm saying? Got it.
Nick Kumalatis:And then look what happens. Yeah. Right. But it, it, if I would've done that when I got out, it would've been a fucking colossal
William Branum:shit show. Right. And, and if someone had been like, Nick, just do this. You're like, fuck you. I got, I can, I'm, I know what the fuck I'm doing. I know what I'm doing. Yeah, yeah.
Nick Kumalatis:Sure. Mind your own fucking business. Yeah. But because of all those tuition payments, the learning curve is smaller and you're like, you know what not to do. Yeah. So, you know, you might not know what, what to do. Yes. But you know
William Branum:what not to do. Thomas Edison. More than 10, 000 ways to not create the incandescent light bulb. Right,
Nick Kumalatis:I remember you talking about it in your speech. Like, that's a valuable lesson. Right. Yeah. So, um, Oh boy, here we go. So I'm going to play you something. Are you ready? Can't wait. Can't wait to hear this one. It's really good. It's really good. Um, this is going to change people's lives. I'm just going to find your face. Here it
William Branum:is. What the fuck are you doing here? What are you doing here? Why are you a disappointment? I want to know! Stop wasting my fucking time or quit! Did you hear me today when I talked about expose your goddamn fear? Expose that shit! It doesn't do anything any fucking good in your fucking head or in your heart. Put that shit out in the world. You think that I haven't dealt with fucking trauma? You think that Steve hasn't? Or Nick? Or Bezos? Or any of us that are fucking out?
Nick Kumalatis:Mean you're just you're just why are you yelling at everybody all the time?
William Branum:Now Look how quiet in calm, I am it's like bipolar or something I I
Nick Kumalatis:love it, but they they said that you are the meanest You meanest and meanest instructor is There's having a good time.
William Branum:That's why yeah surfing Yeah, that was my class. That's Mario. That's my class. Just surfers in the
Nick Kumalatis:background. I love it. What did you think of, uh, old Instructor Will when we were at the project? You were like, he's an asshole. Did you get flashbacks, like post traumatic stress when you walked in the door?
Unknown:When he walked in the door, yeah, yeah, but he's just a
Nick Kumalatis:giant teddy
William Branum:bear. He is a
Unknown:giant The thing is too is like you we always talk about it there you guys are completely different off camera But or like not off camera you guys are the same you guys have the same fire in you Like always and you guys will instill the same lessons and everybody
Nick Kumalatis:like it literally is like You just wear, it's a hat you wear. Yeah. For a purpose. Yeah,
William Branum:exactly. But that first video, so interesting thing about the project, and I talked to Mario about this after, and is, we, I can't wait to hear the comments. But, as instructors, and I'm sure you can, um, back me up on this, we see things in guys that they don't see in themselves. Like that young man right there, and I know that Um, He's Done Some More Work. Yes. Um, We Could Tell That He Wasn't Telling The Truth. Right. He's Like, He's Burying Shit. He's Like, I, Using Your Words, Emotionally Constipated. Yeah. And, And I Could Fucking See It. It Was Plain As Day. And I'm Like, Fuck, Just Fucking Trust Us. Trust The Fucking Process.
Nick Kumalatis:But, As Men, We Are So Incredibly, Incredibly Stubborn. Yes. No doubt. And I don't think people really understand how stubborn we are or how stubborn, and even the guys that are hatin like, hatin like, how incredibly stubborn they are. Sure. To where, like, if you really wanted to, like, unpack some trauma and unpack some bullshit, bro, the reality is all of us needed to get it beaten out of us. Yeah. Like, sometimes, sometimes sittin on the couch fuckin playin the violin ain't gonna cut it. Like, we're too smart for that. Mm hmm. Like, why'd you go? Let's just, I mean, I think we talked about it on your podcast, but why'd you go through?
William Branum:Um,
Unknown:so I, I definitely had some things to unpack. I mean, I, a lot, I had a lot of imposter syndrome, which I think you guys kind of, you guys talked about to me at the project, and it was like a, I remember you guys saying, so I, I remember who it was, but one of you two said, dude, there's so much potential in you. And I don't know, I'm credit for that. Yeah. Yeah. I it might for that. Yeah. So I remember. Getting said that and I was sitting in the van waiting for FTX and I was just like, Hey, I don't remember if we had hoods on or not, but I was just like, I just got pissed. Cause I was like, fuck. And everyone was like, what? I was like, dude, everyone fucking says that shit. And it's starting to piss me off. And, but the thing is too, is like, yeah, there's a, there's, there's so much more inside of me that I, that I wasn't letting out. Yeah. And I mean, I'm still working on it too. Like, I think you probably see it sometimes too. Um, But there's a lot of the trauma, uh, from my shooting and stuff like that too, uh, that I kept inside. Cause I mean, a lot of it is the same thing in the military. It's like, oh, well something happens, just fucking suck it up. And I remember them saying that to me, they were pretty much saying that to me. They were saying, you know, if you, if you want to take more time off, you have to get an anxiety medication and, and all this other shit, or just suck it up and come back. Like every time I would see somebody at the precinct, oh, oh, when you come back buttercup. like, okay, fuck off. How about that? I just got shot like three months ago. So yeah, it's a lot of unpacking trauma, a lot of potential that I didn't see in myself. Um,
Nick Kumalatis:and just breaking that barrier of like, yeah,
Unknown:there's a, there's a ceiling, there was a ceiling I was hitting just constantly.
Nick Kumalatis:But if, and, and what's crazy is like, and like we saw it with April. Yeah. Like it was like, wasn't that a beautiful moment? What people don't realize is like they, that, that video got a lot of hate, but that was the moment. That he said, fuck it. And he just let it all out, dude. And he, he was, he was able to be his true self. Without any fucking burden, without any bullshit. You know, anyway, so why are you an asshole at the project? I,
William Branum:I, I don't know. I didn't know I was. I didn't know I was an asshole until I got that feedback. Um, it was funny, like they, they kind of rank us at the end. And they're like, okay, so biggest asshole, but what did the guy say? And I forgot his name.
Nick Kumalatis:Yeah, you're always up, you're always up at the top.
William Branum:Asshole, but also, what do you, he said, um, but also like an angel and I was like, I'll take it. I'll take that. I don't know what that means, but okay. I'm a not like, and you know, it's funny when I'm like on some of these sales calls for the project, I'm like, I, listen, I'm not going to be your friend there. I will be tough love. And I've had feedback where, you know, guys are like, um, yeah, you're kind of, you're Really, you'd think Steve is the mean one, but you'd see Steve mean the whole time and me I'm just like Steve's so, Steve's
Nick Kumalatis:so consistent. Yeah. You know exactly what you're going to get with
William Branum:Steve. Yeah. And yeah, when I walk up, you don't really know what you're going to get. Um, it just depends on the situation. Like are you, are you fucking up? How are you acting? Are you, are you fucking up? Well I'm going to deliver. And if you're like, maybe I just want to get to know you. So
Nick Kumalatis:I want to talk about, I want to talk about this because the big, one of the biggest things is like, Oh, these guys are paying this kind of money to do this sort of thing. And, uh Won't they just join the military? Well, Some, was it you that brought this up? Somebody brought up a great, great comment. And I was like, damn, that's actually good. So, it's not the same thing. Because when you leave the military. Not at all. No, I know that. Yeah, yeah. Specifically with trauma. When you leave the military, you leave the military with trauma. Yes. When you leave the project, you leave the project with Dealing with your trauma.
William Branum:Yes. Yeah.
Nick Kumalatis:You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
William Branum:There's the difference. And so here's another thing that I tell people, and I don't think I've ever shared this with you guys, but when we're doing, um, I still got shit that I deal with, but I get probably as much out of the project as the guys going through the project. Same. Like when we're doing like Hunt and Destroy or whatever that thing is. Toxic Cognitions. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm fucking writing. Shut down. Writing my own stuff down. Yeah. Like I'm going through it right there with the guy.
Nick Kumalatis:That's what people, that's what people don't really see, but the reality is, is, could you imagine doing, um, doing Hunt and Destroy, like, hour three? No.
William Branum:They would just laugh at you. What are we doing here? What is, what is, what is, yeah. This is fucking kumbaya
Nick Kumalatis:bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. What would you have done at hour three if you were like, okay. We're going to talk about the hardest thing that ever happened to you.
Unknown:I would have been like, I would have been looking around like, what the fuck are we doing?
Nick Kumalatis:But at that point you were like, I don't even give a shit anymore.
Unknown:Yeah. But the thing is too, is that it opens you up even more afterwards. Like you're more open to talking about it regardless of who it is. Because you don't have
Nick Kumalatis:that. That, that weight. Yeah. Like, I don't give a fuck what people think. Because you, and
Unknown:then you see people going through different traumas in their life and then you're like, okay, well, listen, man, it, you have to just talk about it at some point because it might not be now, it might not be tomorrow, but you're going to have to talk about it at some point. So that, I mean.
William Branum:Yeah. Or you can hold it in and you can fucking explode one day. That was, that's,
Nick Kumalatis:so I didn't know the, I didn't know the, um, the statistics on this, But B told me, he said one in three men are. Uh, one in three men are, uh, physically abused growing up. And then one in four men are sexually abused. And I was like, dude, that's fucking crazy. That's crazy. I was like, there's no way. And I want to say, I don't think I counted this, I don't think I counted, um, this last class. But I remember counting, when he told me that, I was like, I'm going to pay attention to this. So I, I, uh, Joe, Joe's class, class, uh, 16. I was like, I'm going to count. And so we sat around the table, including the instructors. So I just don't, I was like, I'm going to count every man in this room. One in three physically, one in four sexually. Sure shit, dude. On the fucking money, bro. That's crazy. On the
William Branum:fucking money. I heard, I heard Bajo say something about that one time. And I was like, that can't be right. Fucking one time. When I have started paying attention.
Nick Kumalatis:Start, if you start paying attention and you start talking about what's happened to people and you start going, okay.
William Branum:Men, men for sure don't talk about that.
Nick Kumalatis:Hell no. No fucking way. And I think when you, when you break all those, when they're, when they haven't eaten, they haven't, they haven't, they just broke the fuck off, right? Um, and then you got guys like us sitting across the table going, this is what happened to me, this is what happened to B, this is what, you know what I mean? You like let it all out, they go, oh fuck, their walls are down, and they go, yes, this happened to me when I was a kid, and I think now that I'm talking about it, holy shit, that might be something that's causing me a lot of fucking friction in my life.
William Branum:And it, so that, that sound clip that you just played there, that was after, it was the next day. That was the next day. It was the next
Nick Kumalatis:day. Yeah. And we're still holding on. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, and, and that's what people don't really understand is like, Oh, you're just, you just see like a little snapshot, a snapshot of like somebody, you know, we'll, we'll be an asshole yelling at people and kicking sand. Somebody was like, you kick sand in my face. I'm going to get up and we're going to
William Branum:have a problem. I'm like, okay, sure.
Nick Kumalatis:How's that? How comes that's never happened? It's never happened. Never happened. Someone did get hit, though. Someone did get hit. Not an instructor, though. With a cake. Yes.
William Branum:Will's happy birthday. It wasn't me! I didn't kick anyone, I don't think. That clip,
Nick Kumalatis:I'm sure. No, no, no, it wasn't you.
William Branum:It was your birthday cake though. It was your birthday cake. That was a great clip that
Nick Kumalatis:we can never share. I don't think that will be on the internet. That will never be shared. Somebody called somebody else out. He got pied in the face. It was like a fucking cartoon dude.
William Branum:I'm so sorry I missed it. You missed it? I, I saw, he sent me the video. Oh, but, and I, like, I, yeah. And, it was my fucking birthday cake. What the fuck. It was beautiful,
Nick Kumalatis:bro. The sound, that sound of the cake hitting the face. I, I was like, dude, this is like, movie magic right here. He probably still has
Unknown:cake in his ear today.
Nick Kumalatis:But it is a beautiful thing, man, because you see men that are emotionally constipated You see them stuck, you see them docile, you see them inability to make, stand up to aggressors. You, you, and that's what the beautiful thing is, is, is we want, like Maybe I'm giving too much away, but like we want you to fucking push back. Yeah, we want you to fight back. Yeah, that's the whole fucking point. If I hope one day that
William Branum:there's fight back at the right time at the right at the right time. Like if you have the wrong tray, my tray. Yeah, Mario, your class, you guys got it wrong. 100 percent 100
Nick Kumalatis:percent of the time, all the way to the end. So you tried to stop him.
Unknown:So when we when he was like, Oh, let's go talk to him about his shoes. Talk about Steve shoes. So yeah, I'm not going to fill everybody in on it. You guys can watch the stories and see, look at his shoes now. Um, I'm like running over there. I'm like, I think it was Lou. Cause I think Lou was class leader at the time. Was he? Flowers? Yeah. Flowers was class leader at the time and we were running over there. I'm like, bro, we are about to get fucked. I was like, you guys know that, right? And I was like, he's fucked. And then we just Trey's trying to grab a bag. I was like, you know what? Fuck it. I'm going to try to grab a bag too. Steve's trying to put me in a chokehold. Yeah, you're trying to do
William Branum:fucking logic on us. Like,
Unknown:you're fucking So, so, yeah. Scott, I think it was Scott and Trey were trying to like, I just want to know. I just want to I'm like, and I'm just sitting there just staring at him. I'm just like, blank minded. I'm like, it's Anytime. Steve's about to fuck us up right now.
William Branum:He's just I just saw that video clip the other day. Boiling up. Oh my God. That was hysterical. Anyway, like it blew up and I was like, I'm not even sure what's going on here. It's got way out of hand real fast. But
Nick Kumalatis:my goal, so I, you know, when I talked to Chris, my goal is always to figure out how to get the, the, the candidates to kind of bind together. Yeah. And just fucking like,
William Branum:now it's our project. Yeah. You got, we don't, we don't work for you guys anymore. Yeah. I feel like this last class did that pretty well. They, they got, yeah, they got real close towards the end. I, I dropped some. I'm like, listen, you need to learn when to, like, I gave them a little hint of course. Along the way. Like, I, I want 'em to fucking succeed. Yeah. I want 'em to get the most benefit. Mostly after watching that class. Fail. Miserably. Oh, his class? Like, most stupidest class
Nick Kumalatis:ever. Come on, guys. That's why Mario graduated on him.
Unknown:The best of the worst. Whatever. Thanks for adding to my imposter syndrome, fuckers.
Nick Kumalatis:Project trauma. But the thing is, is, is, like, what people don't really realize, cause they're just in the comments. Mario, how much fun was that?
Unknown:Dude, I would honestly do
Nick Kumalatis:that again. You know Joe's trying to go back through? There should be a
Unknown:thing for the project
Nick Kumalatis:grads. That's what he said. He said we should have all the project grads go do something like a separate thing that's even harder. I've
William Branum:talked to a bunch of guys that are just like, they go back and they're like, that fucking pit owned me. I'm going back and I'm fucking owning the pit. And they're on their own fucking time. I'm gonna go crawl the pit.
Nick Kumalatis:They'll crawl the whole fucking
William Branum:thing. I'm like, you Good for
Nick Kumalatis:you. Why? But like, that's what, I mean, tell people, like how much actual fun that you had.
Unknown:So man, now that it's over and you're done, you want to go back. I mean, I can't tell you on a scale of 1 to 10 of how fun it was. I mean, I would say it was a 10 now that you look back at it because you, you get done, you get through all this stuff, you fucking talk about your traumas, you build a brotherhood with people. And then you go back and you watch all the Instagram stories that your wife fucking records on her phone. And then you watch them, you watch them up on your, on your, uh, 65 inch TV. And you're like, you just crack up like the one where, uh, we're playing in the sand. Me, it's everyone's getting covered fucking, you know. And, um, I think it was you, you were like, Why don't you guys fucking help each other? Like you, and then I, like, pushed sand on Lou and it got all on his face and I was dying. But it's just like shit, funny shit like that. It's just, it's so much fun, man.
Nick Kumalatis:Seriously. And that's what, that's one of the things that I tell, tell guys when we're at the beach. Like, when you're, when they escape you for a little bit. You know, like, I send them away for a moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, let me get away from Will for a second. I tell them, like, guys, you realize that my, my son watches this and then we come to the beach and he, he reenacts this. He's a three year old. He thinks this is fun. Like, kids bury themselves in sand, they sugar cook themselves, they run to the water, they run back, they dig holes. They think this is fun, but because there's an instructor candidate relationship, mentally you decide that, oh, this is hard, I'm being punished, instead of going, but um, we're just fucking, we're grown ass men, first of all, we're grown ass men. Playing in the surf and the sand. Like fucking children, you know what I mean? For ATK. For ATK.
William Branum:Anyways. That's a big hurdle that I have to sell people on. But what they don't see is like Hold on, would you do it again? Would you
Unknown:pay the money? I would pay a million dollars for that.
William Branum:Yeah, it's like the value that you get out. It's very hard to Like I said, I get probably as much value out of it as the guys going through it. Um, cause I, you know, I'm, I'm there to, I'm there to learn, but I'm also there to, to, to give as well. And what they don't know is
Nick Kumalatis:like it, and for, I'm going to speak personally, cause I know Will doesn't feel this way cause he's an asshole. But, um, I, like when I show up, I really truly want all, everybody to graduate. Yeah. Like I might do.
William Branum:When I get on the phone with guys, I'm like, listen, we don't do sales people anymore. I'm not a fucking sales guy. I'm one of the instructors. I want to make sure that we have the fucking right candidates. If you're not the right person, I'm going to tell you you're not the right fucking person.
Nick Kumalatis:But when they show up, I'm like, I want you to graduate. I want you to get out of your own way. I want you to flip the switch. I want you to break through some barriers and I want you to fucking graduate. And then it breaks my heart to watch people just quit on themselves when they go. I know, and I'm like, I'm like, dude, I'm like, in my head, I'm like, don't fucking do it.
William Branum:Don't do it. Just don't fucking
Unknown:do it. Yeah, the guy that he told his story, he was sitting in the back of the class, he was the bigger guy. John, you probably talked to him. Yeah, I got his video. Dude, when he was telling his story, I started to tear up. I looked over and Joe was crying too. Cause the thing is too, yeah, like a lot of people fucking never fucking get it, man. I don't, I don't like seeing people quit on themselves and I even like when they were out there by themselves, I kind of snuck cause you know, we're not supposed to talk as codgers to them. So I like snuck back and I was like, listen guys, like nothing in your fucking life has ever come. Anything good in your life has never come without anxiety, depression, fucking hard, difficult times and going through hard shit. So fucking stick it out. That's it. That's it. Yeah. And when, when he was done, I was like, fuck
William Branum:it. It broke me, bro. Dude, I know. I was, it was fucking, it broke me. It was fucked. I didn't hear the story, but he told me the story later and I was like, fuck. Like when he quit, I was like, you, here's my number. Gimme your number right now. Fucking reply to me when you get back to your original. Yeah, yeah. And, but, but you know what, the transformation that he had, even though he was like there for 13 hours, like, like I think you saw the video. Mm-Hmm.. He was communicating with you as well. Yeah. So it was like fucking like. Heartfelt, for sure. It was like, it was super impactful. Yeah. And, and,
Nick Kumalatis:and you know what, and I, what I told one guy when, when he rang the bell, I said, listen, you know, you found your threshold of what you can handle. It's, it's a gift because now you know right where your threshold is and you need to surpass that. Yep. You need to move that, you need me to move that threshold where you're like, I mentally, physically can't handle this anymore. Now that's where you're level. Yep. Now you need to like. Go past that level.
Unknown:Yeah. Right. Did you see the video that
Nick Kumalatis:praying on, on weak minded men?
William Branum:Yeah. Yes. A hundred percent preying on them. This will create
Unknown:unstable men. Terrible program. Really? That was a YouTube comment. I haven't read the comments
William Branum:for a while. That was a YouTube comment on mine.
Nick Kumalatis:Oh wow. This will create unstable men, unstable
William Branum:men, terrible program. You mean men? Yeah.
Nick Kumalatis:I think that's, I think that's where, and people are like, why don't you just join the one? You leave military trauma. You leave the project better. So that's, that, there's a difference
William Branum:there. Yeah, whoever said that. And we have, we have people who've been through the military. Yeah, fucking Joe was,
Nick Kumalatis:was with the 75th Ranger
William Branum:Regiment. We have Chris, who's now an instructor. Right. Who was Air Force Special Operations. Doing all kinds of Yeah, he, yeah. Yeah.
Nick Kumalatis:Um, if you didn't, if you didn't know the, uh, if you didn't know the Air Force actually did some shit. They do. They,
William Branum:they, they do. There's one, there's one
Nick Kumalatis:guy. We don't exactly know what they do. There's one, there's one guy that did some shit. At least. Ha, ha. He's fucking cool, man. Chris, I love you. You're badass. Um, Stop finding all my shit on the internet, please. That's fucking weird. It creeps me out, man. Um, what else? Oh, the other thing was with the whole, like, these guys, like, well, just join the military. Well, maybe they don't want to join the military. Yeah. Maybe they don't They just want to experience, they want to test themselves, like there's nothing wrong with a man going, you know what, I've had an easy life, I didn't join the military, I didn't go to war, and I want to see if I have what it takes to push my own limits. Yeah, that was another reason
William Branum:I did it too. Well, I think we all
Nick Kumalatis:need to, you got shot, I feel like your limit was tested, but good on you
William Branum:bro. I think we all, um, men. Yes. Need to be tested more than a little bit more than once more. Yeah, as we go, as we go, I continue like I've, you know, I've done some pretty hard stuff. Just this year. I've hiked the Grand Canyon rim to rim rim twice this year. A lot of people said fucking bucket list like they hope to do that before they die. The first time I did it top five hardest things I've ever done in my life.
Nick Kumalatis:That's crazy. I've had that. I've had some experiences post service that I've said the same thing. Yeah. Because I keep
William Branum:moving the needle, man. Yeah. And that's what makes us better. Like, creating artificial hardship
Nick Kumalatis:in your life. At 50 years old, you don't want to be the guy, well, back in the day. Fuck
William Branum:that. Remember when? I'm going to fucking go crush your ass, your 22 year old fucking ass right now. How's that? And you can do it too. I do my best. I might come up short, but I'm going to fucking go down swinging. The recovery
Nick Kumalatis:time is a little bit longer. Way longer for me than for them, yeah. That's what I notice. I can still pull some crazy shit out of my ass. I'm going to need a nap afterwards. But that afterwards, oof. Even with a little testosterone in my butt, I'm still like, damn, I'm going to need a fucking nap. Yeah, for
William Branum:sure, at least a nap. Yeah, like I, like I, you know, I just did it again before the last project and, you know, I was, probably for the next three nights, I'm like fucking waking up sweaty because my body's in like fucking over, overdrive, like fucking keep going, keep driving, keep going, get up this fucking, it's like climbing two mountains. Um, and, uh, but it keeps me young. Like I, like, yeah, I'm 50 years old. I don't feel 50. You look fucking great for 50. Thank you.
Nick Kumalatis:You turned 50 at, uh, graduation, didn't you?
William Branum:Yeah. Last class. Yeah. Pretty dope. And, uh, which is why I got some, a couple birthday cakes.
Nick Kumalatis:Thanks. Thanks, Chris. What is this? First one was flowers. Next one was birthday cakes. What could the next one be? What's the next one? I can't wait. I can't wait. He's going to, it's like, the problem is he's going to keep escalating. It's going to get harder and harder to figure it out. Yeah.
Unknown:It's always going to be something that someone has to take care of for the entire
Nick Kumalatis:remainder of the project. Of course, or until they leave. And I'm a little disappointed in Flowers, actually. If I was him, I would have been sending a bouquet of flowers to Steve every week for a while. Not even an expensive one, just a little, here's a reminder. Love you. Just love you. Don't forget about me. Love you, Inspector Stevie. Inspector Stevie. Yeah, that
Unknown:was, that actually was funny too. The last class kept calling him Inspector. Inspector.
Nick Kumalatis:Kept calling you guys Inspectors. Yeah, that's funny. He's a goddamned psycho. Yeah. Um, so, you like it? Yeah. Why? I So I know my reasons why, but what are your personal reasons?
William Branum:So, I like helping people. I like helping men fucking find their potential. Again, I get as much out of it as they get out of it.
Nick Kumalatis:I've said it in here, in this room, multiple times, man. It's very rewarding to watch people succeed. Or to help
William Branum:them succeed. Yeah, when you see them like, fucking flip the switch. When you see like, the light bulb come on. Like, whatever language you want to use, or analogy. There it is. Yeah. Fuck yeah. Like, the guy in the last class. Murray? I was just about to
Nick Kumalatis:say Murray. That's a, that's like my biggest, that's like my biggest win of the year, Murray. He, yeah. He was the most docile, weak little creature the whole time. I
William Branum:talked to him after. Yeah. I talked to him last week. And, uh. How's he feeling up? Cause I was talking, he's, he's, he's pretty fucked up, but he's, he's doing better. He was actually staying at, uh, at, uh, Coker's house. Oh, cool. Like, I, they just. He was like, Hey, I don't have a place to go. Can I stay at your house? So he's like staying at his house for like at least a week or something. Awesome. And, uh, and I guess Murray's been through like several of these men's development programs that are really, I didn't know that. Wow. He told me that on the, like on the zoom call. Cause Coker was wanting to talk about leadership stuff. And I'm like, Hey, basically what I told him is you just got to fucking own it. Like you walk in a room, you fucking own it. Everything you do, you just fucking own it. And there's
Nick Kumalatis:another guy that Coker was, uh, was the infantry Marine and he came through. Yeah. You guys are fucking, your comments
William Branum:are dumb. And, and, uh, and Murray's like, and he's like, holy shit, you guys are actually following up and like fucking checking in on us and like talking to us after the thing. I've been through every other fucking men's personal development thing out there. No one has ever fucking followed up or, or talk to us. Cause I guess earlier that day he talked to, um, Chris, uh, Cavalini. And then, you know, then he's like, I'm talking to Coker and then talking to Murray. And he's like, this is like, I, yeah. Who does this? This is no one else does what you're doing. So I was like awesome. Well, you're we're that's we're not a project anymore Like right in we're like you're you're part of the brotherhood. Yeah that Secret handshake, whatever.
Nick Kumalatis:That's the big that's the biggest thing for me is just watching these guys watching these men Who know that they're not living up to their potential like in a short amount of time And it really is and that's the reason why that it looks so drastic and it is so drastic is because you compress So much time in the 75 hours, I mean, you make it happen really fast. And that's when, to see those guys at graduation, the way that their mind, their brains wired in such a short amount of time, you're like, wow, this is just, what a beautiful, what a beautiful thing. Yeah. It's awesome to Murray to watch him at the FTX. Oh my God. I mean, he was, he was the number one dude. He was.
William Branum:He went from, They were like, we're, they were talking, we're like, I don't know if you need to be here. Yeah, man. You're probably not going to make it buddy. Yeah.
Nick Kumalatis:I mean, he ended up being one of the number, like, in that event, the way he finished. Yeah. By far, he fit in number
William Branum:one. I mean, the, the shenanigans out at the ranch with Murray. Oh my God. And being, yeah. There's
Nick Kumalatis:some videos out there. Speaking of you and, uh, speaking of you and, and, uh, shenanigans, um, I'm curious. Is this the sixth Navy
Unknown:SEAL?
Nick Kumalatis:Is this the sixth, is this the sixth Navy SEAL
William Branum:secret? That's, uh, the
Nick Kumalatis:tactical, the
William Branum:tactical thong. We'll put that on there. We'll put that out there. You know what, that actually makes me want to go get a real thong and wear it next time.
Nick Kumalatis:like, what, what's happening there will,
William Branum:uh, secret number six of, uh, of the, the get naked mindset is to, uh, have a string up your butt. It's kind like those, uh, muy thai, uh, steel cups where you like wrap the thing and the, and the string goes up your butt crack and it just makes you more
Nick Kumalatis:pissed off. And that's why you were fighting with Murray right there.
William Branum:I was Murray and probably five other dudes that was right there. That was the kettlebell in the ditch. I think. Yeah. That's like, that's,
Nick Kumalatis:that's one, that's one of your favorite, uh, that
William Branum:was favorite events. And that was, I do. Yeah. The thong or the kettlebell collect,
Nick Kumalatis:collect, collect, collectively, uh, together.
William Branum:Um, Layton sent me a video that I'm not going to. play. I'll share it with you later. But it was, uh, it was right before that. And, um, like, you know, because the young man that, that, that particular young man, he didn't graduate. He'll come back through the next time. Bro, that guy is hard as fuck.
Nick Kumalatis:He is. I didn't realize, I didn't realize how hard he was.
William Branum:He's hard as fuck. He's, he's, but he's very passive. Yeah. And so we're working on, I was working on some of that. But he's inside, he's tough. In a, in a not very nice way. Yeah, yeah. But he's tough on the inside. Latent hit. He's like, I'm like, I'm like, I have this kettlebell. I, you know, call it, call it a name. And um. And I won't let him have it. I'm like, what the fuck are you gonna do about it? And like, he comes over and I just kind of like, big brother, like, hand to the forehead and kind of shove him to the ground. And then he looked kind of pathetic. And then Leighton pans over. And he's like, there was a fucking camel right there. And he's like, the camel's even upset about this. I was like, who knew there was a camel there? That place is a weird place. It is a weird place. It's a fucking great place, though. It is a great place, but it is
Nick Kumalatis:fucking weird. Like, I'm looking at a, what is it? A, it's a horse and a zebra together. What is that called? I have no idea. Hold on. You mix a horse and a zebra. Fuck Zoar. Is it
William Branum:Azo Hebrew? Is that right? It's, it's
Unknown:actually the thing. It's, it actually the term.
Nick Kumalatis:That's what it is. It's azo. There's azo there.
William Branum:I've, I've seen it. I You saw it? Yeah. Yeah. It's azo. It's like the front zebra back horse. Weird. Maybe that's why it's Azo. Because it's, I
Nick Kumalatis:don't know. I don't know. I didn't know a zebra can like zebra and a horse could have babies ze similar DNA. It comes out with like a retarded, I think that's like how I thought that's how like donkeys were made. I don't know. I'm not a farm guy. Anyways. Will, what do the fuck you got going on
William Branum:now? Uh, let's see. Um, I got a TED talk coming up in November. Mm-Hmm., I, yeah, just coaching, speaking. If you
Nick Kumalatis:want to sign up for the project, they just call you, right?
William Branum:Yeah, just call me. Just sign up. I'm not going to give you my phone number. I'll give you my number when you sign up, and then you can get a hold of me. It's
Nick Kumalatis:867 5309. 1 800 NAVYSEAL
William Branum:If that was only my number. Um, yeah, so, that's mostly what I got going on. Um, you know, Naked Warrior Recovery. You know, so what's the website still growing that NW, NW dash recovery. com or naked warrior recovery. All one word. I, you know, that was my original website was naked warrior recovery, but then I was like, maybe people don't want to write naked in their search engine. So I made it NW dash recovery. Yeah. Um, and, uh, you know what, for people listening to this, if they, you know, I've got mostly CB products, but I have some super greens that I don't think I've I'll send some your way. Uh, in a, in an immune product called body armor. Both don't have CBD, so if you don't want CBD, you got some nighttime stuff. I've got some nighttime stuff that, you know, you're not gonna pass a drug test when you take it, but it's like it That's what I use and it's legal. It is a hundred percent legal. It's hemp derived It's not the synthetic Delta eight thing that's out there in the world. It's like the real stuff from the plant
Nick Kumalatis:Talk about that because that's that's actually really important and I dig that Um,
William Branum:so, so, so I have a product. It has, uh, it's a, it's a gummy. It has, uh, 25 milligrams of CBD and five milligrams of Delta 9 THC from the plant. So Delta 8 was a sort of a loophole that a lot of companies were using. And what Delta 8 is, it's a, it's a, uh, isolated CBD molecule that's been synthesized in a lab to have that psychoactive effect. Yeah. So it's been chemically modified to give you the psychoactive effect of fucked of whatever. So I would, I wouldn't fuck around with it. I only deal with natural stuff 'cause whatever, you know, I'm going down that road. I'm Navy Seal, I 50
Nick Kumalatis:fucking years old. So Navy Seal Hippie HiPE, every, every Navy Seal gets out in turns into a hippie. But
William Branum:that, I mean, if I had hair, if I had hair, you know, I would, you know, have long hair and Me Too and shit like
Nick Kumalatis:that. Same, same for us though, as well. Like you just. But I think a lot of that has to do with, you know, getting out of your own way and just being like, Hey man, how do I, how do I not be in pain and
William Branum:perform better? I mean, I'm a child of Nancy Reagan's war on drugs. Just say, no, this is drugs. This is your brain. So I fucking grew up with that. It was like,
Nick Kumalatis:my brother wouldn't eat eggs for years.
William Branum:And so I was afraid to try CBD for the first time and then I was afraid to try THC. And then I've, I've tried a couple of different other like, that's a gateway drug, man. And, you know, you know, really what you were saying at the end of the day, like I, I can, alcohol was a, was a, was a vice. It was a, it, it ended up being more of a, um, a habit. Yeah. And the fucking terrible habit. A horrible habit. And so maybe I've replaced one thing with another, but I, like, I fucking. Take this, you know, at night about an hour before I'm ready to go to bed. And then I'm like, my fucking brain turns off and I can go to sleep and I wake up the next morning, I'm fucking ready to go, you know, have the same effect with alcohol. I feel like dog shit the whole rest of the day came in the whole day and my sleep sucks. And my, like, yeah, you know, my resting heart rate, you know, is fucking through the roof and my HRV is. in the tank. And so, and I measure all that stuff. And, and what I found is, you know, people say that THC negatively affects your sleep, but I think there's a threshold there. Yeah. And THC and CBD, they're actually kind of antithesis. They work opposite. Yeah. So CBD, THC goes in and it binds to those neuroreceptors in your brain. Which is what gives you that sort of euphoric high effect. Word for me. CBD goes in and actually decouples those, uh, those neuroreceptors and kind of brings you back down off that high. So you can actually take one of these buzzing gummies that I have and I actually had a buddy take the wrong gummies before he got on a flight. He was like, fuck.
Nick Kumalatis:I think I texted you one time. I was like, Hey, what happens if I take this? And you're like, Oh, you're going to be down. And I was like, Oh, I'm so glad that I texted you.
William Branum:You're going to be, you don't want to take that before. Like I did. I think, yeah, I think maybe you do. Maybe you do. Maybe you do. Maybe it's just so you like, let it kick in. And then like, you can feel like Eddie Bravo has done
Nick Kumalatis:that. I think I did. Yeah. All those 10th planet guys are all high when they're rolling. But I think I did a course. Oh, it's the origin. I went to origin. So I was rolling like two times, twice a day, like three classes a day, and then rolling, rolling two sessions a day. And I got back from that and I was like, I'm fucking broke. This 41 year old body is broke off. And that's when I hit you up. I woke up and I was like, dude, I am hurting. I was doing cold, cold plunge, sauna, just trying to get my body to recover after a week of that. And, and so it was like 10 o'clock in the morning I texted you and you're like, yeah, you're going to be super, super messed up if you
William Branum:take that at 10 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, do those for sleep. Don't, yeah. Like, you can. I don't recommend it. You're going to have a very different day.
Nick Kumalatis:Make sure you have some cereal and some cartoons to go watch.
William Branum:You're going to have some, your pain will be different. Yeah. But,
Nick Kumalatis:uh, anyways, but I just do it at night and it's, it's awesome. Yeah, it really, really is awesome. You got a good, you got a good product.
Unknown:Now that we're talking about it, you know, like that feeling in your chest, you know, like when you take them. I don't know if you get it, but I get like the feeling in my chest, like it's airy. Like when I take That's a cop thing. No,
William Branum:the death Yeah, that's your cop DNA coming out. That's what it is.
Unknown:It's called paranoia. No, yeah, I get like that. It's like that weird airy feeling in the chest that you guys are talking about. I'm just like thinking about it. I can feel it on my chest right
William Branum:now. See, you're just getting paranoid. The only thing I get is I get like a little dry mouth. Which just makes me drink more water and then I'm hydrated. So there
Nick Kumalatis:you go. Anyways, alright, so where can they find you?
William Branum:Uh, nw recovery. com. Uh, if you want to learn more about the Navy SEAL mindset, you go to 5sealsecrets. com. Put your information in there and I'll send you What's the sixth one
Nick Kumalatis:being thongs?
William Branum:Make sure you have a string going up
Nick Kumalatis:your butt. What's on the front though, is like a Iron clad, Iron,
William Branum:Steel, Cup, Steel, Cup. Yeah. That's fucking dope, dude. You know, when you're fighting fucking project students, then they kick you in the balls. It doesn't hurt. Because they do. Because they do. When they start to fight back, like they're afraid to fight back in the beginning, and then they
Nick Kumalatis:Before we go, I want I want I want to say, because I I I saw that part, we screenshot it, I sent it in our group text. Bro, you didn't even argue with it. And there's something to be said, we were talking about this off camera. Yeah. How, if someone's making fun of you And you, like, put your foot down and you try to defend
William Branum:yourself, you're fucking done. It's Like, my instinct was to, like, that Wh What did Like, first off, I was, like, mad that you, like, put it in the group, and I was like, You just gotta fucking roll with it. F You wanna play with the big boys? You're gonna fucking You got And so, you're like, Which Navy SEAL secret is this? And I was like, Fuck. What the hell am I even looking at? That does look like a thong. That looks like
Nick Kumalatis:What did I You're questioning yourself. Did I, did I wear it?
William Branum:I didn't know I owned one. I was actually
Unknown:the one who, who saw that? I'm like, okay, what? I'm like, what is this that Will's wearing? And he was like, dude, I don't know. And
Nick Kumalatis:then before I put, before I said it in the group, I had already, I already figured out what he did. He was
Unknown:like, I think it's his fan. I was like, okay, that makes sense. I knew
William Branum:what it was. And I was like, fuck it. I'm sending it anyway. I would have done exactly the same thing. I would have done exactly the same thing.
Nick Kumalatis:But you like,
William Branum:you were like, yep. Sure did. Actually, I, I got it from you because you were like, when we went to, we went to breakfast that when they were, you know, digging holes out in the pit and you were like, Oh, some, you said something about secret six through 10 or something like that. And I was like, well, I'm just going to fucking you turn around and use that. That's in a secret six through 10. Like, uh, one of those is, uh, if you have a string up your ass, it makes you really pissed off and make you want to fight more aggressive for the, for the
Nick Kumalatis:enemy. Something like that. Yeah. It's like some Spartan shit. I get it, dude. Yeah. But that's a life lesson. If somebody is Pick it on you and you, and you push
William Branum:back. You just gotta fuckin own it. Yeah. Like, if you, yeah, if I, can't, you can't show weakness like that. If I would've fought back, if I would've been, like, tried to defend myself, You guys would've eaten me for a fuckin dinner. They were all dying. There was no way I was gonna give you that option.
Unknown:Byron, Byron does that to me though. I snapped back a little bit. I said, I actually snapped at Joe. Cause I was like, dude, what'd I do now? And he's like, what didn't you do? And I'm like, I was like, Joe, shut the fuck up. He's like, bro, I'm just,
William Branum:I'm just doing, I'm just seeing what you're saying.
Nick Kumalatis:So I was in mine was the, I was on, I got on my, on my recon screening for second force in 2003, um, they came on the last stroke of me coming up out of my 500 meter swim. They like, Marine Corps Times, pshh, right off the cover. Oh, that's a kiss of death right there. and I, this is my screening. And I pass the screening, there's only a couple of us that pass the screening. And the top of the paper, and I've got it hanging up now. I've got it hanging up and it's like framed. And now I own it. Like, I own the thing, it's cool now. But at the time I was like, fuck. And it said, Go Recon. And it has my face like coming up out
William Branum:of the water. You're the poster child. Yes. So I show up to
Nick Kumalatis:RIP. I show up to Recon and Inoctination Platoon. One of the instructors comes out and he's holding the paper. Oh my god. And he goes, who the fuck is this? And I'm standing next to my guy, Dan New, who made it with me, who actually made it all the way through. He became a Recon Marine, then a Raider at MARSOC with me. Finally, medically retired out. After he ran his body through enough metal. It's just a thing we do, I guess. Some people do. And I meet, they go, who the fuck is this? And I go,
William Branum:that guy. That's awesome. Damn. I fucking poured it right in there.
Nick Kumalatis:Cause him and I look so alike. And I was like, fucking that guy. And we got fucking smashed. Went through R. I. P. Went through A. R. S. Got shit at A. R. S. I went to my unit and they found the fucking paper.
William Branum:Bro, the,
Nick Kumalatis:this, the, the cover of this was Photoshop, not Photoshop like photocopied and was put on. I couldn't open a locker without it being in there. I couldn't go to the fucking PX with it being taped up on a wall, that shit. And I, and, and it, and it only happened that way 'cause if they put it in the team room and I threw a fit. Oh, yeah, I threw a fit in the team room about it and these dudes plastered that shit all over all over the fucking base Don't ever show your weakness dude for the rest of my career. I could I couldn't get away from that fucking thing So what I did was I fucking said, you know what fuck it. I'm gonna frame it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I just fucking hung it up Yeah, in the reality. It's not a big deal. Like I got my fucking picture taken on the paper But it was before
William Branum:I had done it. But you didn't, you didn't understand it either. I didn't understand.
Nick Kumalatis:Yeah. Yeah. I didn't understand it. So I should have just been like, yeah, motherfucker. That's me.
William Branum:What are you going to do? I am. I am the face of, yeah, I am
Nick Kumalatis:fucking recon now. What are you going to do about it? Well, they would just beat you up. Me fucking thrash me. Okay. I'm getting thrashed anyway. It's a three month process. You know what I mean? Whatever. So anyways, there's, there's, I think there's a lesson somewhere in there. You just. Own the thong. Own the stupid pitcher. You know, hopefully you put it up in this video somewhere. thong
William Branum:right after this. Just because. I'm just going to run around the project with this thong next time. The next time there's a little whale coming. That would
Unknown:actually be
William Branum:more terrifying. What the fuck?
Unknown:Like, what the fuck did I sign up for? Hey, go
William Branum:ask Instructor Will why he's wearing a thong. Yes! Dude, holy
Nick Kumalatis:shit. Chris, are you listening to this?
William Branum:Oh, what a beautiful thing. Hey,
Unknown:if we, if I film that, we might, we might get more views than Steve's video.
Nick Kumalatis:Oh shit. The railroad one. Oh man. The comments
William Branum:on that are great. That was hysterical. I had to share that. That guy could not.
Nick Kumalatis:Absolutely. I, I wanted to get into, I get into the comments like the first hundred, but then once it got to like past like 800, I was like, dude, I, I can't keep up with this shit, dude. There's so many, there's so many of them versus me. Uh, I'm fucked. But he did a good
William Branum:job. I get in there sparring a little bit and I'm like, Yeah, I just want men to be fucking better. What does that mean? What does that look like? We'll come fucking find out. Yeah. I'm not sharing the secret. I think you posted it. Pedras.
Nick Kumalatis:He did. No, no. Somebody posted on the thing. They said, they said, he said, Not one person has ever taken him up on his offer. Oh yeah. To come through for free. And if you graduate, he will donate the 18K to a charity of your choice. He posted that. Not one person has taken him up on it. Ever. Pussies.
William Branum:Yeah. Yeah. That's a smoking deal. Like, well then you won't be a hater anymore. But I will have to get out of my mom's basement. Fuck! You guys are just going to target me and pick on me. Yeah, we're going to fucking pick on you because you're yeah, of course, because you're a weak man and we want you to be strong. We want you to be a fucking badass.
Nick Kumalatis:Don't show your weakness like I did. You end up having your own that shit. You have you end up having your stupid face pasted on, posted all over the fucking base like an idiot.
Unknown:Yeah, but it's funny, too. Just just real quick, too. Like, I think it's funny that you say that because now that I would, if I were to go back and go through it again, I'd be the same way. I'd be like. Okay, what the fuck are we gonna do about it? Especially
Nick Kumalatis:when you're a spy.
Unknown:Yeah, I'd be like, fuck yeah, I'm a spy.
Nick Kumalatis:He was a spy.
William Branum:When? Cause he had came. Oh yeah, yeah. Cause I came
Nick Kumalatis:before you. We were like, it was like a day into the pit and, and Steve was like, I fucking remember this guy. It was the first day. It was that night though. Yeah. It was like,
Unknown:it was like afternoon. Yeah. Yeah.
Nick Kumalatis:It was, it was dark already. Yeah. And he had shaved his head. Kind of smart move by Mario. And uh, they were like, wait a minute. I fucking recognize you. Yeah. Oh, you're a goddamn spy. Did not help you at all. Yeah, I was like, fuck.
William Branum:Yeah. Well, Will, uh, thanks, dude, for coming out. Yeah, thanks for having me on here. I
Nick Kumalatis:appreciate it. Go get the, uh, everybody go get the 5 Navy, where do
William Branum:they get the 5 Navy Seal Secrets? 5SealSecrets. com. 5SealSecrets. The number 5. Seal Secrets. S E A L. Like Navy Seal. Secrets. com. And it's 1 through
Nick Kumalatis:5. And Jason Redman supposedly has six through seven, or six through six or something. I want to know what the other, I keep asking this motherfucker, what are the other secrets? I want to know the top secret one. That's
William Branum:actually the book that I'm writing right now. It's Five Secrets of Leadership. Nice
Nick Kumalatis:dude, so you're just gonna expand
William Branum:that out a little bit. Yeah, I mean Tim Ferriss has the four. He's a four hour guy I'm like, I hate that five
Nick Kumalatis:seals secret guy. I think it's good, dude And it's really they are really good. And you know, it's also really good if you guys Go find go find this gentleman and sign up for his newsletter. He's got fucking banging newsletters I've already told you that in mind. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah He's got banging newsletters. You should go get his newsletters. You'll learn something every single time. Um, I don't know if you, I don't know if you actually put a lot of thought into those, but. Whatever
William Branum:I'm thinking about at the time. They're really good. They're really good.
Nick Kumalatis:Well, I get them. I'm like, damn, well that was fucking, that was solid, man. That was good. Thank you. I appreciate that. Um, so go find him. And if you want to sign up for the project, go hit the project and you'll talk, you'll talk to Will. Talk to me. Or you could be one of, what's the, what's the most recent signup name? Oh, let's
William Branum:see. Hold on. I got it. I got it right here. We're in with that. Uh oh. We got, uh, oh, let's see. He's gonna be the poster child. Hold on. That one just doesn't say anything. This one. Uh, Penis Fucking You. Uh, I don't LouisBigBoner at Gmail. com Hell yeah. I want Louis Big I'm gay. Dude. And like being Screamed at by Mr. Clean Looking losers must be talking about Steve. Can you, can you imagine? Oh, yeah. Can you imagine Pokemons? He likes Pokemons. He's gay. He likes Pringles. He's married to Pringles. Makes over $500,000 a year. Dope. Um, good for you, bro. Sick is, yeah, those are, those are some of that. Louie Louis
Nick Kumalatis:Big bone@gmail.com. Got you, bro. Got you. See you, see
William Branum:you soon. That fucking, that dude, that's so I'm gonna call him right after this. See if he's ready to sign up.
Nick Kumalatis:Guys, if you haven't got it, we don't give a shit. You guys can comment whatever you want, do whatever you want. We really don't care. Um, I just really care about the guys who raise their hand and go, Uh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do something. I'm gonna be a better father. I'll be better. That's all I care about. Anybody else? A lot of people are just talking. There's very few doing the work. And this country needs more people doing the work. Yep. And that's the reality. Other than that. So go follow Will. He's my friend. Go follow my friend. He's your friend now. Um, and go get some of his freaking products, man. They're dope. Not
William Branum:dope. They're not dope. They're legal. Legal. They're not dope. They're not dope. It's not dope. They're good. They're just dope.
Unknown:You've been waiting all day to say that. I know you have.
Nick Kumalatis:Alright, guys. Uh, share this with a friend. Tag Will. Tag me. Thank you guys.
William Branum:Peace. All right.