Don't miss this insightful conversation with Riane Eisler on building a kinder, more connected society through the transformative power of the Partnership ethos. This episode also includes a description of the resources and tools that are available at the Center for Partnership Systems to support the shift to Partnership.
Center for Partnership Systems (center@partnershipway.org)
Changing Our Story, Changing Our Lives course
The Technology Toolkit
The Social Wealth Indicators
Caring and Connected Parenting Guide
Learning more:
The Chalice and the Blade: Our History, Our Future
Sacred Pleasure: Sex, Myth, and the Politics of the Body, New Paths to Power and Love
Tomorrow’s Children: A Blueprint to Partnership Education in the 21st. Century
The Power of Partnership: Seven Relationships That Will Change Your Life
The Real Wealth of Nations: Creating a Caring Economy
Nurturing Our Humanity: How Domination and Partnership Shape Our Brain, Lives, and Future
Don't miss this insightful conversation with Riane Eisler on building a kinder, more connected society through the transformative power of the Partnership ethos. This episode also includes a description of the resources and tools that are available at the Center for Partnership Systems to support the shift to Partnership.
Center for Partnership Systems (center@partnershipway.org)
Changing Our Story, Changing Our Lives course
The Technology Toolkit
The Social Wealth Indicators
Caring and Connected Parenting Guide
Learning more:
The Chalice and the Blade: Our History, Our Future
Sacred Pleasure: Sex, Myth, and the Politics of the Body, New Paths to Power and Love
Tomorrow’s Children: A Blueprint to Partnership Education in the 21st. Century
The Power of Partnership: Seven Relationships That Will Change Your Life
The Real Wealth of Nations: Creating a Caring Economy
Nurturing Our Humanity: How Domination and Partnership Shape Our Brain, Lives, and Future
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Welcome to the
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introductory episode
of The Power of Partnership Podcast.
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I'm Riane Eisler, founder of the Center
for Partnership Systems.
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This podcast brings
you voices from the partnership movement,
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people using partnership practices
to build a world
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That values caring nature
and shared prosperity.
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the Power of Partnership podcast is hosted
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by Cherri Jacobs Pruitt,
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a health policy and partnership scholar.
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Today's episode describes my journey,
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pioneering the partnership movement.
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And now to today, POP
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Power of Partnership podcast.
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It is such an honor to be interviewing you
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for this first episode
of The Power of Partnership podcast.
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Your research writing
and speaking on cultural transformation
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has changed the lives of so many people
worldwide, and I'm thrilled to be able
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to share so many of their
stories through this podcast.
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Can we begin today by you sharing with us
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what led you to develop
the partnership movement?
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Thank you.
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And it's a pleasure to be with you
and I am delighted
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to do this interview and
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I start wih my childhood
because my passion for this work and yes,
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I have a great passion for it,
is rooted in my early childhood
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experiences as a child
refugee with my parents from the Nazis.
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And we fled my native Vienna at night
just with what we could carry.
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My parents were able to obtain
an entry permit to Cuba,
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one of the two places in the world
that we could go to.
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The other one was Shanghai, China
and there I grew up
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in, the industrial slums of Havana,
experiencing at first.
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Until my parents, got back on their feet.
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Poverty surrounded by poverty.
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And all of this
really led me to questions
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that I'm sure many of you have asked.
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Does
it have to be this way? When we humans
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have such an enormous capacity
for caring, for
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sensitivity, for creativity,
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why has there been so much insensitivity,
violence, destructiveness
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and fast forward, many years.
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It was these questions that eventually led
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to my multidisciplinary
cross-cultural research
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What did you find with your research?
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Well, what I found was,
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that you have to.
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Einstein said it.
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He said you cannot solve problems
with the same thinking
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that created them
with the same consciousness,
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or lack of consciousness
that created them.
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It was only when I stepped back
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and really looked at the patterns
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forget all about
the conventional social categories
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and looked at the patterns,
the configurations
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that kept repeating themselves
cross-culturally trans-historically
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and yes drawing from many disciplines,
not just one.
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I was able to connect the dots.
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I was able to see two configurations.
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There were no names for them,
so I called one Domination System
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and yes, it’s what we're trying to leave
behind.
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It's what happened in our prehistory.
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The imposition of top down authoritarian
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rigidly male dominated, punitive,
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violent societies
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and what how we lived, how
we lived for millennia.
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And what we're trying to really recover in
many,
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really disconnected ways, but
it’s all part of a movement towards what I’ve called
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A partnership configuration
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in which in families,
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in education,
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in religion, in politics, in economics,
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you have a very, very different
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social configuration.
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So can you speak about how
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these different paradigms,
this domination and partnership
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configuration plays out in societies
today?
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Absolutely
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for millennia, foraging societies
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that the anthropologist and my co-author
of Nurturing Our Humanity.
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The anthropologist, Douglas Fry
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calls the original partnerships societies,
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they conform to that configuration.
In the Chalice and the Blade
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I talk about Catalhoyuk ,
for example.
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The largest Neolithic society ever discovered.
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And the one of the people who excavated
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that society most recently Ian Hodder
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in a film interview.
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And there is a film Human Kind
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being made on my life and my work.
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He says, yes,
these were partnership societies
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glylanic societies to
use one of the terms
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that’s gender specific that I coined.
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Minoan Crete was another example,
an outlier really,
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after the shift to a domination
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system was beginning to really take root
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all over but, it was an island in the Mediterranean.
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No signs of destruction
through warfare
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like in Catalhoyuk
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for a thousand years. In Minoan Crete,
no signs of
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any conflict between the various city
states.
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No armed conflict, no fortifications, women
played a major role.
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It was before women
became really male chattels
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technologies of sexuality
and of reproduction.
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And that's it.
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This was not the case in our pre-history.
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And it is also, again, fast forwarding,
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if you look at Northern European nations
like Finland, like Sweden
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like Norway, like Denmark,
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they're not socialist,
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they are more partnership
oriented societies, they are first of all
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in both the family and the state
or tribe
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they are really much,
much more democratic, more egalitarian.
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And men
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I mean,
they too have a domination heritage,
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but they're getting rid of it
more and more and more.
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So more men are doing
the so-called women's work today,
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not only in these Nordic nations,
but all over the world really
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we’re finding men doing so-called women
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work, women’s
work of feeding babies, diapering babies.
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I mean, but this relates to the second
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really cornerstone
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of these systems of partnership
systems, women in these nations.
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are 40 to 50% of the national legislature.
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But they really
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are societies in which
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they call themselves
often caring societies.
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They have universal child care
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with good pay, good training.
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You know, we have a very gendered
system of values is so peculiar.
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I mean, we insist that, for example,
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plumbers be trained,
the people to whom we entrust pipes.
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Right.
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But we don't insist that child care
workers be trained and paid well.
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I mean, this is reality stood on it’s head.
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Isn't it?
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And we need to stand reality on it’s
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right side up.
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And of course,
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but it isn't that only that women
are trained to be caring in domination
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systems, it’s a dynamic of these systems that
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as the status of women rises men too,
because it’s men, who also vote
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for these caring policies
but are very extensive
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paid parental leave for both mothers
and fathers, for example,
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caring for the environment
as the status of women rises men.
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No longer feel is such a threat
to their status, so their
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masculinity, as
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defined in the old domination system.
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So they to vote for caring policies.
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And of course,
if you look at these societies,
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yes they do a value caring for people
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starting at birth and caring
for our natural life support systems.
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They're way ahead of us in combating
climate change.
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Right.
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You know, really
carbon emissions are lower, etc..
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They're not perfect.
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And it is not true
that it's that they're that way
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because they're relatively homogeneous.
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The reality, is that they these nations
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invest more
proportionately in caring for people
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in the developed world, people
who are not genetically related to them
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by any means it’s that they conform more
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to the partnership
domination, social scale
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and really conform more to the partnership
configuration.
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So it's a lot
that I'm trying to communicate here,
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but we do need to free ourselves
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from the categories we have inherited
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from more rigid domination times.
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to the Power of Partnership podcast.
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And now back to today's episode.
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You know,
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it is really interesting
if you look at modern history
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through this lens,
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what you see
is that every single progressive
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social movement
has actually challenged the same thing
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a tradition of domination,
whether it was the Enlightenment,
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so-called rights of man movement
challenging
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the so-called divinely ordained,
you know,
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I mean, that's it, you know, God fearing
and divinely ordained are the two catch words
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really in domination
oriented religion.
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So it was supposed to be divinely ordained
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that kings and nobles
rule over their quote subjects.
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Then if you look at the abolitionist,
the anti-colonial,
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the civil rights,
the Black Lives Matter movement.
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What are they challenging? Another tradition
of domination, the so called again
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divinely ordained right of the quote superior
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race to rule over an inferior one.
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If you look at the feminist movement,
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the contemporary global
women's rights movement
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They’re challenging another
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so called divinely ordained
right of men to rule over the women
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and children in the quote, castles
you know, a military metaphor
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of their homes
all the way to the environmental movement,
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challenging our once hallowed and idealized
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conquest and domination of nature
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that at our level of technology
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of population is about to do us in
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so but we have failed to pay
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sufficient attention
to these four cornerstones of family,
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of gender, of economics,
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and of story and language.
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And we must we need an integrated
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frame and the partnership domination
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social scale gives us that frame.
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So let's talk just a bit about your books.
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You've authored numerous books.
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You've already spoken
a touch about The Chalice and The Blade,
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and of course the title of this podcast
series is The Power of Partnership,
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and today's episode
featuring you is titled The Partnership
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Way, which are two of the books
that you've written.
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Can you speak a little bit
about how these two books came to be
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and how our listeners can learn from
these books how to move towards
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the partnership end of the continuum
throughout all aspects of their lives?
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Well, these are really
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work books that you’re talking about.
You know, the first two books
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drawing from my research
were the Chalice and the Blade.
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The subtitle is Our History,
Our Future.
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And that's exactly what it's about,
and it really is
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about our history.
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Both halves of,
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you know, there are two forms of humanity,
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male and female,
and if you rank one over the other,
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and if you also have
these rigid gender stereotypes
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which you need for this ranking,
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what you get is what we've got,
which is in-group versus
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outgroup thinking,
whether it’s based in differences
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becomes equated with dominating
or being dominated
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with superiority
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and inferiority
with being served or serving, right,
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the second book that I wrote,
which was called Sacred Pleasure,
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which is in itself a heresy
because think about it,
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the domination systems are really based
on fear of pain
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aren’t they, the second book Sex, Myths,
and the Politics of the Body.
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This is the subtitle
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of the book that applies
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the Partnership domination, social scale
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to both sexuality and spirituality.
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And it's one of my favorite books actually.
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But then I started to turn to
what do we do?
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There are three books
actually dealing with that.
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One that I’ll just quickly touch upon
is called Tomorrow's Children
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and it's about education, obviously.
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And I really think
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that we have to pay
a lot of attention to that.
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I mean, think about it.
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Not so long ago.
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Physical punishment was built
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into even Western education,
and it still is in the United States.
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Children can be paddled, can be caned
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in many of our states still,
according to the law because if you think
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about what happens to children
in domination families, fear
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and a lot of rage and a lot of pain,
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and what happens in
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domination systems is a dynamic, again,
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that this fear, this rage,
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this pain is then deflected
into in-group versus out-group
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thinking against the bad, quote the weak,
just as they were.
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I mean, think about that.
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And so you get this in-group versus
out-group
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violence, rage, anger.
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And we've got to really understand
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that this is not something
that we can blame individual families for.
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This is something characteristic
of families
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of the ideal norm for families
really in domination systems.
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But getting now to your question
which I eventually will.
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Both the Partnership Way,
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which I wrote with my wonderful late husband,
David Loye,
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it's a workbook for both Chalice
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and for Sacred Pleasure
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to really
with a lot of experiential exercises.
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And so forth
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and I really highly recommend it.
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And then there's also
the Power of Partnership like the name
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of our wonderful podcast with you.
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But it is really well, it won
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the Nautilus Award as the best
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self-help book of that year.
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First of all
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each chapter has going further,
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you know, questions, exercises, etc.
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It starts
with how we relate to ourselves.
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And yes, it uses the partnership,
domination, social scale.
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Do we have this noise,
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in our heads, this voice telling us,
we're not good enough,
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you know, etc..
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And it isn't, as I said,
and I want to emphasize this, our parents fault
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I mean, they just pass on what they
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were exposed to and
what they were taught was good parenting.
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And you know that there's still so called
Christian parenting
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guides in the United States that recommend
inflicting pain on children
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so that quote
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that they
learn that the parents word is law.
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I mean think about that.
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Think of how that socializes
us to identify with strong men leaders
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who also are punitive
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and with in-group versus out-group
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policies and actions.
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So the really
the Power of Partnership goes on then
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to our intimate relations,
you know, family
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and other intimate relations
to our work and community relations.
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But it doesn't stop there
because it's all of one clause.
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It then goes on to our national relations,
our international relations,
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our relationships
with our Mother earth with nature.
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With our natural life support system
and to our spiritual relations,
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because spirituality can be very much,
you know, religion
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this spirituality of our conventional
religions that we've inherited.
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I mean, think about it you know,
sometimes I say it as a joke
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that when I get really depressed
about what's happening in our world,
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I think of the European Middle
Ages. Why?
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Because they looked a lot like the Taliban.
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They really oriented to the domination
configurations.
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There were some partnership elements
but the Inquisition, the Crusades,
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the witch burnings, human rights forget it,
women and children’s rights.
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I mean, that was just beyond the pale.
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So think about the fact that we have
as I said been moving forward
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but we must have a really coordinated
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social, political,
economic and family agenda.
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Because we really need to come together.
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If you think of the trends
towards partnership they’re all over
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I mean these thousands and thousands
of non-governmental organizations
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that we have working on climate change,
working on domestic so-called domestic
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violence, and it's violence,
it is fundamental violence.
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We have to understand the dynamics
of how systems work.
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And it isn't just simple linear
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causes and effects, it's interactions.
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And we've been taught,
I mean, I know I woke up as if from a long drug sleep
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to suddenly realize that in all my years
of so-called higher education,
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you know, there had been hardly anything
by, about, or for people like me: women
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It is beginning to slowly change,
but much too slowly.
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And it’s all an add-on, you know,
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I mean, women's studies, men's studies,
gender studies,
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they're an add-on they need to be part of
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every part of the curriculum.
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We need
integrated cross-cultural education.
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And we are working on it at the Center
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for Partnership Systems.
Which is a wonderful segway into
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I wanted to ask you to speak about in
more detail
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is the Center for Partnerships Systems
how that was founded
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and what types of resources and support
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can our listeners find at the center?
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Well, it was really founded
as there was such a response.
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You know, I didn't know how The Chalice and The Blade,
which challenges
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so many givens, right.
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Would be received, but
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First of all, I mean, one response was,
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I’ve always know this somehow, but you have
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brought forth the evidence for it.
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you know,
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and that has been really marvelous.
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So the center was founded
as a response to that response,
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and the Chalice first came out in
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86, 1986,
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and so the center is over 35 years old.
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And it's pretty amazing for
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a not for profit to last that long.
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And we've done many, many things.
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And if you go to our web site, centerforpartnership.org
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look at history and you’ll see
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how we have really had an impact.
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But to come to right now
and to come to the resources.
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We offer many resources, first of all for families.
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We offer Caring
and Connect Parenting Guide
00;24;07;35 - 00;24;10;28
Alicia Rando wrote it
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based on really the newest,
neuroscience and it has been endorsed
00;24;15;57 - 00;24;18;05
by top pediatricians,
00;24;18;26 - 00;24;23;07
but it's available for free
in both English and in Spanish.
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And it's short and it's to the point.
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We have developed
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a technology toolkit,
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because technology is really values
neutral.
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It depends on how it is programmed, right?
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We see that very much and how it is used.
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And yes, we also have now
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shortened it and condensed it.
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And you know, they did it
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also for general use. And it’s really
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asking us to really look
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at our socialization and yes, uses
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the partnership domination
social scale and the four cornerstones.
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We are working on a new index.
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As I said, I wrote a book,
The Real Wealth of Nations,
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and the subtitle
is Creating a Caring Economics
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caring economics of partnerism
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that really recognizes
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the economic value of caring
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for people starting at birth
and caring for our natural life support systems.
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And there are statistics on this, but
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like our social movements,
we are all over the place,
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like the social progressive movements,
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you know, where it's really all
part of the partnership movement.
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So we
we are trying to bring this together.
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So we launched the first iteration
and you can find out about it
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at our website, in 2014
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with a grant from the Kellogg Foundation.
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we're trying to really show
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not just a snapshot of what is
00;26;15;51 - 00;26;18;51
like other so-called
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GDP alternatives
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also show what investments
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what inputs create better outputs.
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And there's no question
like the United States
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has the highest child mortality,
the highest
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infant poverty
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rate, the highest maternal
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mortality
rate of any developed quote, unquote, nation.
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And not coincidentally,
we invest the least
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in family support.
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now is the time
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because the old institutions,
the old operating systems
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whether they’re economic or family or social
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and are not responding in this period
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of rapid technological, social,
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economic, climate change.
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I mean,
with so much of the population in denial,
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which is built into domination,
families, by the way.
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I mean, it is really
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something that we need to understand
and we need.
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Well, what we need is a partnership,
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social, political and family agenda.
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And that's why I keep, you know, really
pushing
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for read The Real Wealth of Nations, read
The Chalice and The Blade
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and read Nurturing Our Humanity
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because the evidence is so strong.
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In addition,
the center's courses are another way
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to dig deeper into this information.
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you can sign up at the center's website,
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which is centerforpartnership.org
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There will also be a link
in the show notes for today's
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episode.
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So Riane, before we end our discussion,
I wonder
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if you have any final closing words
for our listeners.
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Well, I believe in human creativity.
00;28;30;10 - 00;28;32;50
And if we know, it's
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not just about deconstruction
about disruption.
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This work is about reconstruction
00;28;41;10 - 00;28;44;10
and we have historically
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learned that people
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respond much better to
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if we know what we're trying to build.
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That is so very, very important.
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And that's what this work is all about,
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is to not just show
what we're trying to leave behind, but
00;29;04;47 - 00;29;10;52
what are we trying to build and we’re always back
to the four cornerstones
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of family and childhood, of gender
which are marginalized, ignored.
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Economics.
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But a new economics, a caring
economics of partnerism
00;29;22;28 - 00;29;26;49
and yes story and language
especially our stories
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about human nature,
which are false, which are untrue.
00;29;32;09 - 00;29;35;09
And we're finding out
from the neuroscience
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and from many, many disciplines, really.
00;29;38;30 - 00;29;43;20
And for example, we feel good,
don't we, when we care for others,
00;29;44;10 - 00;29;47;21
whether it's for a lover or for
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a mother or a father, for a child,
00;29;51;14 - 00;29;55;03
even for a pet, that's human nature.
00;29;55;32 - 00;29;59;40
We want caring connections
and we need a social,
00;29;59;56 - 00;30;03;46
economic and political and family system
00;30;04;17 - 00;30;07;15
that rewards this.
00;30;07;15 - 00;30;10;28
And we can have it, we have had it.
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And we can.
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And there are millions of people in the world in
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bits and pieces trying to build it.
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So let's do it.