Join us for part 2 of Jase's speech delay journey.
This week we discuss a questionable recommendation from our pediatrician, we share how we secured private speech therapy post pandemic, and we fill you in on where things stand today.
As we reflect on our journey, we're reminded that trusting your gut is always the right call and that sometimes, a parents intuition trumps the advice of professionals.
It's been a wild ride, but we can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
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Join us for part 2 of Jase's speech delay journey.
This week we discuss a questionable recommendation from our pediatrician, we share how we secured private speech therapy post pandemic, and we fill you in on where things stand today.
As we reflect on our journey, we're reminded that trusting your gut is always the right call and that sometimes, a parents intuition trumps the advice of professionals.
It's been a wild ride, but we can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Thanks for joining us for your weekly dose of confidently unqualified advice!
Let's keep the conversation going! Connect with us below!
Instagram: www.instagram.com/lifeunmasteredpodcast
Email: lifeunmasteredpodcast@gmail.com
Website: www.lifeunmasteredpodcast.com
Hey guys, welcome back to Life Unmastered. Last week we started our two-part series on Jace's Speech Delay and this week we're going to pick right back up where we left off and we're going to jump right into it, because we still have a lot to get through.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we ended last week with basically determining that the state therapists were assuming Jace was autistic, which didn't seem right to us and they couldn't officially diagnose them with I can't say the word aprexia.
Speaker 1:It's aprexia of speech.
Speaker 2:There you go, and we ended with determining that it wasn't an easy fix and there was no fluid in his ears.
Speaker 1:Right and after we had done the hearing and fluid tests, which were ordered by his pediatrician, we kind of felt like we were starting over and we took him back to the pediatrician, kind of to update her and figure out where we go from there, because she's the one, through insurance, who orders everything and since we weren't going through the state anymore, we are kind of moving into this like anything we're going to do from here we had to pay for or go through insurance. So at that visit we gave her the update and since we were at that point planning to homeschool and not seeking public school, he wasn't going to be having the speech through the public school system and so she had given us a referral for private speech therapy. And at that point COVID was kind of in this like it wasn't ending, but it wasn't as like crazy as it was in the beginning.
Speaker 2:You could drive around and stuff, but everything was still slow to open up.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Especially at medical facilities.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So we were trying to get him in, but at that point they were only doing telehealth appointments, which, as we discussed in the last episode, is just appointments via a computer screen, and that just did not work at all for Jace. Yeah, it was like a complete waste of time, and since private speech is not cheap, we did not want to pay for those sessions, knowing from past experience that they weren't going to be productive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no thanks. We can put an iPad in front of them too.
Speaker 1:Exactly so. We were just on this waiting list and eventually, you know, like six months had gone by and we were still on this waiting list and so we had talked to his doctor again and at that point, when we went back for another visit, it was ready for his next well baby visit, which he's not a baby, but that's still what they call them. Maybe there's a well visit.
Speaker 2:I thought that's what they said to us when we walk in. Well, baby, he's looking good. Oh my gosh, just me.
Speaker 1:I'm just kidding. So anyway, we were there for his like annual physical appointment and I was kind of updating her like we're still on this list, we haven't gotten any appointments. And she's like, well, remind me again what happened, like when you finished with the program with the state. And so I was kind of filling her in and she's like, well, if they think that he's autistic, why don't we just give him that official diagnosis and that we'll jump him to the top of every list?
Speaker 2:And so it was like the biggest red flag moment I can remember having as a parent.
Speaker 1:And I think that initially, when she said it, I was like I asked questions like okay, well, what does that mean? She's like well, if he is autistic, great, he gets therapy and he's working on it and he gets right in and they can better evaluate him once they get him in, but if he doesn't, then we'll just take it off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like just erase it.
Speaker 1:Of his record and at first I was like, okay, great, because I was like you know, we'd been on this waiting list. I feel like we weren't making any progress with his speech. He just keeps getting older. And I was like, okay, well, let me talk to my husband about it and we'll let you know. And so I came home and I think by the time I got home I was already like this can't be right. But I still told you and you were like at the same conclusion as me. You're like I don't think that that doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1:So I can't remember who we talked to. We knew somebody that was in the speech field, or they were a nurse or something.
Speaker 2:It might have been and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but you had bubbles and belly laughs had taken off at this point and I almost feel like you had gotten involved in a community because of bubbles and belly laughs of other moms and like professionals who dealt with this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that's true, I did. There was a lot of other moms.
Speaker 2:So I couldn't remember if it was one of them who had mentioned. Like that's not correct.
Speaker 1:I honestly don't remember who we're talking to, but they're like that's, you know, once something gets onto their medical record, it's incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to have it removed, especially with something like autism.
Speaker 2:Well, which makes sense, like because you move from like place to place. Jace has already lived in two states. Like why so next state he goes to? If that doctor determines he's not autistic, he can just like scribble it off and everything's fine, like how does that work?
Speaker 1:I really don't know how it works. But we had gotten mixed opinions on it and we're like, okay, we're not going to take the chance here, and, as great as it would be to be put to the top of the list and get him the therapy that he needs for this, we don't want to take shortcuts here. So at that point you know we're like we're no, we're going to pass on this. But we started to feel really uncomfortable even with that suggestion from his doctor.
Speaker 2:And everything wasn't added up, and so we were to be.
Speaker 1:to be fair, I do think that she wasn't doing anything illegal, because I think that she was going based off of what the state had told us and I think she was trying to be helpful, but it just it didn't sit well with us.
Speaker 2:So we were in the same situation, just with an uh, another professional, basically, where it was like, well, we can't really determine what's going on, so let's just slap the label on them.
Speaker 1:Right. So we continued to just wait on this wait list and at this point, fortunately, they were starting to open up in-person appointments.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we waited long enough that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I started calling to kind of get an update and figure out if we could get on the list. And I had called a few times and then eventually I talked to this one lady who was so sweet and so helpful and she like kind of gave me like insider information.
Speaker 2:I mean, everybody else was trying to get us to beat the system. Somebody just actually gave us good advice.
Speaker 1:And so she's like I think I've talked to you before. She's like well, here's what you need to do. You need to call every single day, first thing in the morning. She's like our phones open at 9 am, just set an alarm on your phone to call every day. If somebody else is on the waiting list to be seen and they cancel for any reason because their kid is sick, whatever, you can take their spot. So if you call and you have an appointment, you're gonna have to come in that day, but you'll get in. And so I didn't have to call for very long. I think I only had to do that for two weeks.
Speaker 2:Wait, wait, wait, wait, back up, back up. So what you're telling me is somebody missed their appointment like their kid was sick. So I can't make it at 9 30 today.
Speaker 1:We don't know why they missed it.
Speaker 2:No, it's fine. But just for an example Okay, like they had an appointment at 9 30. They call in sick I can't get in, but you called in at 9. Are there any availabilities? And they're like we have an appointment at 9 30. So that means they're going forward. You now get that 9 30 appointment every week. Well, so that like enrolls you in the program.
Speaker 1:So what it is is it got me the evaluation for the private speech.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's what you were waiting on Well.
Speaker 1:So once you get that evaluation, the appointment for the evaluation, they value, they do the evaluation, they assess what kind of therapy he might need and then you automatically get assigned a speech therapist.
Speaker 2:Okay. So we were trying to get the evaluation and that's what we couldn't get scheduled.
Speaker 1:Correct, but also you. You cannot get an appointment for an evaluation if there's not a speech therapist slot available. Okay, because they're not going to give you this evaluation. Be like yeah, he needs therapy, but we don't have anybody to work with him.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So it's like both of those things Once, I think. Basically, once a speech therapist like a slot opens, then that just opens up an evaluation slot to like. They kind of go together.
Speaker 2:Well then, it timed out perfectly and we were good.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, so so somebody else had an appointment, for whatever reason, there was a cancellation, and they're like, hey, we've got an appointment at this time, you got it. If you can make it here today, it's yours.
Speaker 2:So you got the evaluation appointment. What happened there?
Speaker 1:So we went in for the evaluation and she sits there with Jace and basically it's like I'm not even there. She didn't pay me any attention. I mean, she said hi to me, of course, but then she just wanted to sit with Jace and talk with him and, you know, do everything with him because that's who she was evaluating. And that was, like my first thing, that I'm like wow, this is already so different than our experience with the state.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember you talking about being in the sessions with the state and when you got home from this first evaluation and you had drawn made the point of saying, like the first therapy sessions you had, it almost seemed like they were trying to fix you as a parent and not necessarily fix Jace is his speech with the state.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I get it because he was so young and so and there were some things that we just didn't know he was supposed to be doing or how to work with him and they did give us some good ideas on ways that we could work with him, so I'm appreciative of those. We did learn some things but, yeah, I felt like we would have made more progress if they were just working with Jace and I could see what they were doing and then, like, implement those things at home.
Speaker 2:So how did he do in the evaluation?
Speaker 1:So he did fine and she, you know, when she was done, then she talked to me and kind of explained everything to me and she instantly had this idea of like what, what Jace needed, and she explained it so perfectly. So, and when she said it it just made so much sense. And I remember coming home, I remember texting you and I'm like I cannot wait to tell you how this went, and then I came home and like, told you all about it, but she explained it.
Speaker 1:She's like I think I know what's going on. She's like, basically, we just need to start at the beginning, as if we are just he's just hearing us for the first time and he's learning a new language. She was. When I speak to him and when I interact with him, it's as if we are speaking Japanese and he is speaking English and there's that language barrier, barrier.
Speaker 1:And so that's why, like if you were to go visit a different country that speaks a different language, you would point to things and you would use your you know facial expressions and all the things that Jace was doing. Yeah, and so it made so much sense and she's like we just, he's just not understanding everything or somehow something was missed. And she said it's very common, she sees this all the time and she says that, based off of her, she's like it's not her, it's not her, it's not her job to determine whether there's you know he's autistic. Her job is solely for speech. She wouldn't even address any of his you know behavioral issues, which I only believe that he had, those behavioral issues because of the frustrations caused.
Speaker 2:Trying to explain to us like.
Speaker 1:From his speech.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because I remember and I have video. I have so many videos of this because I would, you know, just take videos of our kids all the time. But he would get so excited about something and he would try to like tell us about it.
Speaker 1:And it would literally like Mm, mm, mm, mm, like that's what it sounded like. It's exactly what it sounded like. It's like he would get so excited and there was like tone and variations in his like sounds that he would make, but he's like his, he couldn't physically get the words out of his mouth.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so that would cause frustration, because he'd be so excited to tell us about something and we had no idea what he was trying to explain to us.
Speaker 2:That was always so hard too, cause once he he's a smart kid and reading our facial expressions and stuff, he'd be like trying to show us something he was really excited about. See that we couldn't share in that with him and then get disappointed.
Speaker 1:Right and we would. I feel like we did a good job of like pretending, yeah, but he knew he didn't know.
Speaker 2:Like he's like. You have no idea what I'm saying right now, do you? It's almost like he, but that's cause how smart he was.
Speaker 1:And we'd be like, oh the rock. And he would like he'd literally point to something else and we'd like be guessing and we'd be like that's so cool. And he's like that's not what he was. He wasn't trying to show us it was cool. He was maybe trying to show us that, like it dropped or whatever. He knew that what we were saying wasn't what he was trying to tell us and so, anyways, she was just talking about this language barrier and she was just like we need to start from the basics, like core foundations of speech, and build from there. And that was just kind of like the plan that she put in place. And this was somebody different than who actually ended up doing his speech. Like they have one person that does the evaluation and then is assigned to speech.
Speaker 2:Oh, really yeah.
Speaker 1:So we went in and we did it, and then the second appointment is with that evaluator and the speech therapist, and then you make sure that they're seeing the same thing, which I loved, cause then you didn't just have one person's singular opinion, you had two people who, like one, saw this, and then the other ones joining in to see what they see, and they came to the same conclusion. And I don't know.
Speaker 1:I just I appreciated it and also, too, I loved how, when I went there, they're like okay, here's how this is gonna go. You're gonna come in. If it's going well with you in the room and he's paying attention and he's listening, he's not distracted, you can stay in the room. If not, we might feel that it's better for him to just be in the room with us and we'll ask you to stand outside. Well, there's like a one, like a two-way glass thing so I can see and hear everything that's happening if I'm on the outside and be watching and observing. So I didn't feel like weird about that, like I was just leaving my kid with some random person.
Speaker 1:but they really were just wanting to work with him, without worrying about me jumping in or helping him along, anything like that, and so it was just such a different experience and we it took us like. So we met with the speech therapist once a week for one hour.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:And it was just night and day.
Speaker 2:One of the most frustrating things for me in this whole experience was I can remember you telling me that his actual therapist was explaining to you that it seemed like Jace can communicate but he just never had to learn to talk. Like he could get what he wanted for the longest time without verbally saying what I want, which frustrated me so much, cause the first time I asked my dad about this, he literally said like he'll talk, he's fine, he just doesn't need to yet and like told me to stop worrying about it. Come to find out like what? Three, four years later he was right.
Speaker 1:I think it's interesting cause we had a lot of people tell us like don't worry about it, he's gonna start talking kids do things on their own time, but it's so hard to trust that when you're in it as a parent, you're like I'm losing.
Speaker 2:This time and this is the most important time, and like every time you turn on like Bluie or an episode like this is the time they develop.
Speaker 1:If you don't do it now, it's like that's actually such a good point because I do feel like there are so many times that you and I both talked about this but how we feel like we missed out on a portion of his you know, like babyhood not childhood, cause he's still a kid and we're getting those things but there's things that, like Carter said and did at such a young age cause she was talking, you know that were funny and we got to take part in and laugh with her about these things that we didn't get with Jace.
Speaker 2:Because we got different things with Jace though Of course we did.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2:No, I know what you're saying. I agree. There was a large portion where and I remember actually telling you that I felt bad as a father cause I felt like I don't know if it's regret is the right word not regret, just disappointment, I think, is the right word Like, oh, I'm disappointed that I missed that, and I felt like it was like on me that I missed that.
Speaker 1:I mean I knew that we were doing the best that we could and we just we tried everything and we really did work with him and I mean we took I took sign language classes to try and like figure that out, like teach him.
Speaker 2:I remember you like coming in tapping your chin and like he can tell us how to eat now.
Speaker 1:That was exciting.
Speaker 2:It was.
Speaker 1:And I remember we were nervous about it. I hope thinking that you know okay. Well, if he can, this is one more thing that he can use to communicate with us. That's not words.
Speaker 2:But to their point. Like that's exactly what they said, like all of a sudden we were speaking the same language with the sign language and he instantly was able to communicate with us.
Speaker 1:But I think what was key with that is that we were not just speaking in sign language, we were saying the word and doing the motion, and so then he heard and saw at the same time. And that's when we started private speech. That was something that they worked on with him, and then, you know, we were able to take home and do with him as well, because then he was putting the sound with the meaning together so we would say eat and make the motion for eat, and then he was like oh, that's what.
Speaker 1:When they say eat, that's what that means. It's almost like he didn't understand the words themselves, so I don't remember where we were on.
Speaker 2:I mean basically all of this happened once the private lessons started, so like everything started to kind of snowball as far as his development.
Speaker 1:It seemed like Right and his speech therapist, miss Lease. Oh, I love her. In fact, when we moved into our current house, we had to drive like 30, 35 minutes to get to her Because she was so good, I didn't want to you know, switch it up. Switch it up and he loved her and he was doing so well with her.
Speaker 2:Poor Chase. That lady had to have thought I was the worst, just a normal dad or the worst dad on the planet, because I remember you were sick or something for one of his sessions and I had to take him in and so like to sign him in. To get there, you told me you're like okay, you just go to the desk and like you give him the information, everything's good. And they asked me like basic stuff, like and Chase's birthday, and I was like May, oh, my gosh, jesus, I saw her eyes roll, so can I take them in?
Speaker 1:Oh, my gosh dad of the year. You know what his birthday is? Right, it's 17th. Okay, thank goodness.
Speaker 2:I know now. I instantly went home and asked you. You were like why do you need to know that? I was like no reason.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, don't even ask me carders. I do remember you came home and were telling me like recapping the appointment that you took him to and you had talked about all these questions that you were asking her, and so she probably didn't think that you were a bad dad. She probably thought that you and I had the worst communication ever because you were asking all these questions that I know the answer to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it did seem like I thought almost she thought that maybe I was there to check up on her, Like she didn't buy the story that you were sick or something. I just wanted to see how these sessions that I was paying for were really going, Because she like talked to me an awful lot which you said she normally doesn't do, which threw me off. And then I was asking questions because, like if someone's, I'm not just gonna ignore her. So I was like involved, you know, and maybe that threw her off.
Speaker 1:I remember you.
Speaker 2:But she is the sweetest lady.
Speaker 1:She is, but I remember you telling me that and I'm like that's not how our sessions go at all. Did she have a crush on you? What is happening? I'm just kidding, but anyway. So I loved her and Jace loved her so much and she just she was so good with him. And I appreciate people in authority like that, like teachers, who they will not discipline your child but they'll be firm with your child and let them know that your kid can't just do whatever they want. But still be gentle, because it does make me uncomfortable when somebody other than you or myself disciplines our kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't want a stranger like grabbing at your kid's hand or anything like don't touch that. Yeah, I mean, I don't think that most people do that, but Some people do that this is making.
Speaker 1:But I just I loved the way that she handled him and you know it can be frustrating when you're trying to get your, to get a child to do something and they're not. Now that we have kids, I have such a higher appreciation for any teacher who deals with younger kids Always yes For these speech there, chris Saints.
Speaker 1:But anyway, yeah, she was, she's so great and she did such a great job with him. And you know, hindsight's 2020, so looking back on it, it's so easy to see things clearly. But you know, we just saw so much progress so quickly once we started private speech that I wish I would have just that. We would have just started there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that happens to us a lot and to everybody a lot, as you look back and it's like, well, that was the easy way to do it, why didn't we just go that way?
Speaker 1:Right, but I think you know, if we had a second kid, that's what we would have done. But you know, as it's our first experience, Learned by doing. Yeah, I guess. So we were in speech for private speech for a year and he had been making such amazing progress and he was actually talking.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it was the talking where it was still easier for us as parents to understand him than everybody could understand him, but it was enough that we could communicate with him and he could follow instructions, and it was just. It was like life changing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember for the 90% of the time if he got really excited, it was hard to understand him, or if he got really angry, it was really hard to understand him, but in between there it was night and day. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1:I remember we had go to restaurants and he knew that when we went to sit down at a restaurant we order when the waitress comes to the table. So every time the waitress would come to the table he would say the words that he knew. He'd be like 27, blue, you know whatever.
Speaker 2:He just like name, random words and the waitress would like look at him and be like yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So he was starting to get it and then the longer that he was in speech, the longer he was understanding to put how to put the words together and and then we really got to see and experience what she initially said in that evaluation come to life.
Speaker 1:Yeah and I was just so excited about how well he was doing so. After being in speech for a year and making all of his progress, miss Elise had let me know that he was starting to get bored or frustrated during their lessons and they were starting to become a bit unproductive. Yeah, he would get frustrated and just kind of hide under the table or something because he just didn't want to participate in whatever they were doing, and so she had suggested that we take a break, which I appreciated because we're paying for every session.
Speaker 2:Which is so interesting to me. They're like hey, you aren't getting the best value for the time here, let's try something different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think it. You know, I think that they really work. Their main focus was Jace.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:All at every point, and so I really appreciated her honesty and her willingness to pause these sessions, because, I will say, I was hesitant to do it because of how long it took us to get into these, but she assured us that, you know, we can pause for X amount of time, and when we decide to pick back up, we can, so that was great, and she had suggested that. What we do, though, is that we get him into school.
Speaker 2:Yep, which is how that transition came about.
Speaker 1:Which we talked all about last week. But she had said that, putting him in school, he'd be around other kids constantly and he would be forced to communicate with them. And you know kids, what we know of kids is that they never stopped talking right, yeah.
Speaker 1:And so he would just be hearing these words and sounds and he'd be in this formal setting where he needs to follow rules, which was something that we were also trying to work with him on, and so that's kind of how we decided to make that first shift into putting him into school, yeah.
Speaker 1:And it was something that I was nervous about. But we had had such a positive experience with Miss Elise and that whole, you know, private speech journey that we decided to take what she said and go with it. And I think that was the first time in this whole thing that this professional told us something and we're like okay, we've got this trust here. You've proven to us that you know what you're talking about, that you have our son's best interest in mind, so we're gonna go ahead and move forward with this suggestion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it was obviously accurate so yep.
Speaker 1:So we decided to take a break from speech and we put him into school part-time. And if you guys listen to our episode on school, then you know what happens from there.
Speaker 2:And if you haven't go listen to it, so you know what?
Speaker 1:happened? Yes, exactly. So anyway, where we are today, Jase is six and he's in first grade.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:It's been three years since we stopped speech through the state and a year since we stopped doing private speech.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's been out for a while now and he is fully talking.
Speaker 1:Almost everyone can understand everything that he says. He does have a few issues with how he says certain words, but I think that's pretty common for most kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's hard to tell if that's just like a little kid thing or like because of the speech delay a lot of the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we do plan on putting him back into speech therapy so that we can refine his speech. Mm-hmm, and again, I think that's pretty normal. But as far as autism goes, we're really glad that we trusted our gut on this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:Because now that it's been three years, he's older, his speech has developed. There are no concerns at all about that anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's as he matured and moved forward, it was like things that we looked at before and they were saying it was kind of like confirming, like now we really don't think that's a struggle or that's an issue.
Speaker 1:So right, and he does still struggle with some things that stem from his sensory processing disorder.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:And I do still have some concerns about him possibly having dyslexia or ADHD.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But those are both completely separate issues.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:So we're really proud of him, about how hard that he's worked and he continues to work and he's just. He's made such great progress and I'm excited to kind of see how he continues to go and get better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean he's. He wants to be just one of the kids, so it's awesome Like one of the other kids at school, basically.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that having him in for the first time full day of school Mm-hmm, I'm thinking that we're gonna see a lot more changes this year too.
Speaker 2:A lot more growth. Yeah, yes, thank you.
Speaker 1:That's the word I was looking for, so I feel like this is like one of our like more serious episodes.
Speaker 2:It was cathartic. We got it off our chest. Like here it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I'm actually really excited now too, because I still get questions about Jason's speech. I can be like, hey, I did a podcast.
Speaker 2:go check it out I did a podcast.
Speaker 1:You can listen to it on the podcast, but I think that this will be helpful If you are going through any of this with your little kiddos. Man, every kid is different they really are and so I can't tell you that it's gonna turn out okay or whatever. But I can tell you to trust your gut.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And if something doesn't feel right, then that's okay, take a pause.
Speaker 2:Do your research Honestly, do as much research as you can and look into it yourself, cause you're gonna come across one opinion saying one thing and another opinion saying the complete opposite. So you have to make sure and, like you said, trust your gut and know your child.
Speaker 1:Right, and I will say that I have talked to people who had a positive experience with the state, but maybe their child wasn't experiencing a delay at the level that Jace was. But yeah, I think that everything works out the way that it's supposed to and I'm happy that we're here where we are today.
Speaker 2:Definitely.
Speaker 1:All right. Well, if you are experiencing this with your kids, or you did, we wanna hear about it, especially me. I just I wanna know all the things. So you can reach out to us on Instagram at Life Unmasked podcast, and if you're curious about the things that we have worked on in the past for Jace and his speech, or if you wanna talk to me one-on-one, you can head over to my Instagram page, bubbles and Belly Laughs, and we can chat over there. So we'll see you guys next week.
Speaker 2:See ya, exp, ensuring you're moved by what we do and what we do, and we'll see you guys next week. V67 planning.