107. Bringing Sexy Back with Michael Barton

Have you ever considered the silent battles fought in the hidden crevices of our minds, especially within the realm of love and self-expression? That's precisely where Michael Barton and I venture in our latest heart-to-heart. We dissect the intricacies of love languages, the art of effort in relationships, and how appreciation forms the bedrock of a fulfilling partnership. Together, we strip away the pretense to reveal the importance of authenticity, debunking the societal shaming of men who take pride in their appearance and choose to stand out with confidence and flair.

Our discussion doesn't shy away from the heavier stuff, either. We bravely tackle the emotional struggles men face, often suffering in silence under society's harsh spotlight. Michael and I call for a culture that values the emotional lives of all genders, touching on the sometimes toxic impacts of social media on self-worth and mental health. We share personal tales of transforming trolls into triumphs and highlight the necessity for leadership and empathy in navigating both personal growth and the pressures of modern gender dynamics.

Lastly, we dress down the topic of fashion and age, calling into question the arbitrary norms that dictate how we should present ourselves as we grow older. The conversation weaves through the historical significance of personal style, and how clothing can be a powerful form of self-expression that defies societal expectations. So join us as we transcend the conventional and encourage listeners to embrace their authentic selves, fostering an understanding that true style is timeless and that personal growth is an ever-evolving process, regardless of age.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:08

Hi, what's up? Warriors, welcome back to the battlefield of the mind. My name is Rick, creator of the warriors way mindset, and today I'm with Michael Barton himself, who is officially bringing sexy back, and so, all right, michael, we were just talking a little bit and I can tell that you've got a good energy and there's a thing going on. Let's go. You were talking about love languages and then I interrupted you, so that way we can start the show. So go ahead, cool.

Speaker 2: 0:34

No, I just saw your video about two dangerous love languages and you know, just hit home, because when I was married we went through the five loves languages, blah, blah, blah at the local church and you know, definitely helps to know what your love language is and what your partner's love language is. But I just love the fact that you, you know you brought up the two love languages that are the most dangerous and those really hit home.

Speaker 1: 1:04

Let me guess, at least one of those were yours.

Speaker 2: 1:07

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:11

Words of affirmation, or was it.

Speaker 2: 1:13

Affirmation like Let me tell you, if a woman Just tells me I'm a hard worker, that I'm a good father, blah, blah, blah, and praises me, like that I'll put up with a lot of stuff, just for the fact that she, she, you know that gives me words of affirmation huge for me.

Speaker 1: 1:34

Yeah, it's. It's amazing what us guys will do, especially for appreciation. You know, I had another video that was really big too, about the three Basic basic needs of men. Yeah, I said, us guys are simple, hungry, horny, appreciation we're fucking simple. Appreciation is clearly the big one. Yeah, hungry, horny, we shut up. We're pretty simple.

Speaker 2: 1:57

Yeah, pretty much. If you tell me, if you give me those three, I'll be 100% faithful and Put up with just about anything. Honestly, I mean I might. My marriage fell because the lack of intimacy in our marriage a Lot of that had to do my wife with issues, medical issues, and she just wouldn't get it fixed, and so I could only put up with so much of affirmation. And you know, of course I can cook myself. So Right.

Speaker 1: 2:34

Well, that's, that's kind of thing. The world right now is doing this weird thing and it's tough too. I like I don't know what she had to go through. I'm sure it sucked for her too, yeah, but as far as like, what that is is like where there's things where it's like are we trying, are we, are we showing an interest in working on stuff together? And Willingness is one of the biggest things. Even before I work with a client at all, it's like what is your willingness level to really make this work? Like, what is your willingness? And if you have a partner who's like I don't have any willingness to make it work, you're like I can't work with you.

Speaker 2: 3:04

Right, right, yeah, you know the willingness is huge and I tell most people when I talk to them and they're like, oh, you know, why didn't Relationship fell? And I believe a big part of that is that People getting into relationship and they're a hundred percent into the end of beginning, but over time they end up giving their partner what's left over at the end of the day instead of their best. You know they'll get dressed to the nines for work, get dressed to the nines to go out, but when they come home they want to put on PJs or, you know, radial clothes, and then this is what you get to see at night instead of making that effort. I Did?

Speaker 1: 3:53

I did a survey for our women because my I've run women's groups and so I did a survey for the women to see, like, like our guys, like what you just said, really just being like they should love me For me, like let's. I was like, let's see, ladies, let's see. So I did the survey for the ladies. They were like, how come when I'm wearing my pajamas, I just don't get the same praises when I'm dressed to the nines? It's like, well, you know, yeah, of course we're going to praise you more for effort than not effort, but I said there's a category that if you really want to be loved and you really want to be appreciated, that you're missing. So I asked the fellas I'm like let me ask them the order of what they appreciate or want most. And I said, all right, number one Dressed to the nines.

Speaker 1: 4:36

All the fake lashes, long hair, the push up bra, like you do, go ahead, go to the nines, go all out your favorite dress, all your makeup, all your shit, right? Number two your old ratty PJs that you don't know makeup, put the mask on or whatever, and like curlers, you name it you do it like you're just not trying for a shit. This is you all the way dressed down. And then I said category number three lose the shirt. I'm like. Which one do you like best? You like naked? Do you like the PJs, or you want dressed the nine? Put them in order of your favorite to least favorite. Which one do you want?

Speaker 1: 5:18

Hmm, me or women, you Honestly you want naked dressed the nines, or do you want?

Speaker 2: 5:27

Naked naked first and then probably yeah, dressed to the night just the minds and then PJs.

Speaker 1: 5:35

Yeah this is where I told the ladies they had it wrong, as dressed the nines is is cool, but it's not authentic. Do you know what we like the best? Authentic. You lose the clothes. Yeah, who you really are no makeup, no dresses, no bullshit. You want to get love and attention for who you are? Lose the shirt.

Speaker 1: 5:55

Yeah and this is where they were like Good call, I didn't really consider that. No, we don't. We like that. You try, but we like you better for what you are and who you are. But your PJs aren't who you are underneath, though. That's who you are and we love that true, very true.

Speaker 2: 6:14

But you know you want that, and it doesn't even have to be dressed to the nines. It's just the effort. Is what the majority of it is just the effort of shown me that you value me, that you're not just gonna give me what you have left over at the end of the day, you're gonna put forth that effort to say you know what? Yes, I've been busy all day, yes, I've worked all day, but you know what? I'm not gonna come in here and look like a bomb. I'm gonna at least put on something nice. You know, put forth a little bit effort to show you that I still want you to See that I Still have value for you enough to want to put forth an effort.

Speaker 1: 6:56

Yeah, that's a really heavy thing, especially when, like you know and this is not just a female thing, this is just relationships when people get complacent and just stop stop putting in the effort at all. It's interesting, I think a buddy called it maintenance do, is he's like you try really, really hard to get the job or get the place or get the thing, and then you just stop doing any maintenance to keep it up.

Speaker 2: 7:17

Right, right, right, exactly. Um, my, in my past marriage, you know, I didn't get the intimacy because pretty sure she had. We call that a thyroid issue which affects your weight, affects your sex drive, blah, blah, blah. And she, she knew something was wrong, wouldn't get it fixed, whatever. But then on top of that, the Lack of putting forth the effort to look good at home, this or that, and you know, probably back then I probably was guilty of not put forth the effort as well. But now you know, like if I go out somewhere I look good. If, even if I'm not meeting someone, I want to look good, in case I do meet someone and and in a relationship I they're gonna get the best of me. You know, I won't come home and look like a bum. I may work and look like a bum, but as soon as I come home I'll shower and I'll get dressed. Even if I'm around the house I'll dress somewhat nice. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 8:21

So I.

Speaker 1: 8:23

Think that you're making a good point here and the difference between standards and expectations is where people get goofed up, because I see people like even with what you're saying I don't know about your comment section, but my comment section when the ladies get in there, almost all of the negativity and any of the comment sections and I have very, very predominant friends who have millions of viewers we're like most of the negativity today is coming from women. So the statement you just said is I take care of myself. I'm not gonna let myself be sloppy. I keep myself in this order. I'll dress appropriately for looking good. Yeah, I'll work out. I'll eat Well. I'll take care of me. I'll keep myself cleaned up. Yeah, I am holding myself to a standard. Standard is me, to me.

Speaker 1: 9:03

Yeah and they go oh yeah, well, you shouldn't expect me to do this and you shouldn't expect me to do that. You're like no, no, I'm not setting an expectation, I'm just setting a standard. Right and the standard is is where my standard is now.

Speaker 2: 9:16

if you're below, I'm not mad at you, I just won't be with you right, exactly, and a lot of the things on my TikTok videos are I usually dress what people think I should dress like for my age, versus how I dress. And I also dress videos to show guys, especially those in their 40s and 50s, who maybe have gone through divorce and they're starting all over and they feel like they're Washed up and they don't have a chance that. You know you got put forth the effort you got to look good, you don't. A lot of relationships fell because the male or the female in relationship Just let things go. They start dressing baggy, they start dressing shaggy. You know they don't put on makeup, they they just don't give their best to their partner and so a lot of times I dress like that and everybody in my comments most I have 86 percent female followers and then like 13, 14 or males and Most of my negative comments come from the men, mostly that I want to hear that because, like I don't have that aspect.

Speaker 1: 10:20

I'm on the warrior side of training the men that you're talking about for this. Yeah, give me some of the negativity that you're getting from the guys. So I can get caught up because I don't know. Okay, well, because I dress.

Speaker 2: 10:32

Decent. I either get a small group of guys that think I'm Gay because I dress well and take care of myself, and those are just mostly you millennials, even Jen what is it? Jen Z? Younger, you know, 30 and younger that say that because they Can't understand that a man can take care of himself and look good and dress well. The other men mostly Very rare are the Gen X, but mostly it's the men, like I said, 30s, mid 30s and younger, because they see my confidence as arrogance and it's not.

Speaker 2: 11:14

And then they they're like oh well, you know, you're always on here. You've been on here for three years now and still single. Why is that? I'm like well, I choose to be single. I enjoy my life. I don't have drama in my life. I don't have to be told what to do and where to go and what to do you know. So I, I just love being single. I'm comfortable with who I am and the majority of the guys that get on there are just always bashing me for dressing well or Can't find a real girl. So I'm on tiktok, blah, blah, blah. Interesting I was. I actually love.

Speaker 1: 11:48

I do a lot of content as far as understanding the weapons of the world right now, and Blame, shame and judgment seem to be the tools of destruction for trying to hurt people. That's just also a telltale sign of the person. Typing is probably not very healthy either. Hurt people, hurt people. Happy people don't do this shit right, in which case I'm trying to. Here's what I do. I love going live. I like because I'm in, I'm in the psych world, and so People try and take shots and I call it troll patrol. Yeah, I Enjoy when people bring their bullshit. I like it because I look at it, because I also have stages.

Speaker 1: 12:23

I'll be in front of live audiences and I have to be ready for the shit in real time, Right. So I look for the opportunities. They jump on and people will do tricks and they'll do tricks. And they'll do tricks and real time right. So I look for the opportunities. They jump on and people will do troll patrol bullshit. They will come in and just say Rural things with intent to do harm.

Speaker 1: 12:43

Yeah because they're behind a keyboard Right and so it's interesting where the say things were some of the stuff you just said. I'd like to hear some of them. Like you look gay because you dress well right, first off Way to go gays. Like I gotta say gays you guys, at least immediate. So the stereotype is awesome.

Speaker 1: 13:00

Like yeah, listen, yeah, you dress well, is the stereotype like nice, good one. That's like, yeah, you look smart because you're old and you're like we did something right. Yeah, I'll take that stereotype, I'll take it. That sounds good. So.

Speaker 2: 13:16

I anytime they want to tell me that I'm gay because I dress well. That's a huge compliment to me because I'm cute. They're most gays, you know. They don't typically don't have kids, don't have a lot of money spent on people, so they dress well for themselves and they take care of themselves. I'm not upset about it at all.

Speaker 1: 13:34

Yeah, gay community has done a good job. I mean the new new age. Listen, I've had gay people on my show who are like, hey, new age people, you're fucking up all the work we did. We Did a good job. Please stop fucking in the streets. That's no right, that's not us. But other than that, they're like look at what we do. We've built entire cities like we've done a good job, like we go gays. So you look, you dress, you dress like a gay man. You're like fuck, yeah, right, thank you.

Speaker 2: 14:01

All day and I'm dirty and I'm filthy soon as I come home, man, I want to look good. Yeah apology. The best thing about this is, when I started, like three years ago, I was very, I was confident, but I was always worried about what I post on tiktok because of the trolls and whatever like that. However, you know, like I found myself and I I have the fucking 50s attitude like.

Speaker 1: 14:26

What's that?

Speaker 2: 14:27

Just if you feel like you're gonna get on here, call me gay, call me a creeper weirdo, any of those things I don't care. Justments yeah your opinion has zero value on my life.

Speaker 1: 14:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 14:42

Yeah, that's my 50s.

Speaker 1: 14:44

What? What was it before that? What was your confidence in your opinion on that stuff before you had the fucking 50s?

Speaker 2: 14:51

I mean, I I worried about it a little bit. I, you know, I definitely take more Leap of faith on certain things that I would post, like before I would not post my videos, any videos, oh Michael, sorry you just dropped the shit out of me. Oh, just my god, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1: 15:19

Oh man, you got me drop. Drop the shit out of me there.

Speaker 2: 15:23

Sorry.

Speaker 1: 15:24

I'm just kidding, that's funny.

Speaker 2: 15:35

But yeah, I mean, I wouldn't post any videos. You got me, you got me. Oh, we're freaking the fuck out.

Speaker 1: 15:43

I know I. Just we do so many lives. I'm like sometimes we're so live at Hertz man, it's good. Yeah, don't worry.

Speaker 2: 15:50

But yeah, you know, when I first started, I do basic shirt videos and stuff like that. But At some point I just, you know, was okay with taking my shirt off and some of my videos because the girls loved a hairy chest and I struggled with that. Well, I know and now that I just don't care I there's nothing I can put on tiktok. I'm not afraid or worried about someone getting upset that they don't like it because they're jealous.

Speaker 1: 16:17

Some are yeah, there's, I mean I think there's old saying so if you don't have haters, you're not doing it right.

Speaker 2: 16:23

Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1: 16:25

Yeah, I'm like it's supposed to. I don't care, I got, I got entire videos. I don't even go in those comment sections, it's a shit show. I'm like, yeah, that dumpster fire will put itself out. I'm good, like I don't care. I don't say Andrea gets surprised because I'll have entire areas where it's just women bashing. I mean I'll sleep like a baby, I don't give a shit.

Speaker 2: 16:42

Yeah, I'm very fortunate, very few women have been negative in my videos.

Speaker 1: 16:49

Handful here and there you're not in the psychology will break in their shit out and talking truths. They don't like that. They do not like the truth being put out there?

Speaker 2: 16:58

Not at all.

Speaker 1: 16:59

Yeah, that's why I get. I get hit when I call shit for what it is and then I like, oh, he is revealing our shit. Right, let's tear him down Now. Doing what you're doing, it's meant to be a positive thing. I think it's interesting that people throw rocks at things that shine. And if you're doing something that's bringing smiles to people faces, but it takes attention away from them or reveals some part of them that makes them feel Less notice, less secure, less happy, you know, or does anything that like, I wish I had that. The jealousy aspect of it. Yeah, people don't like to Compete, but they still like to win right.

Speaker 1: 17:37

Like. I don't want to. I don't want to go against you, I just want you to take yourself out of the race so I can win. Yeah you know I won't get better. I'm not gonna improve my skills or get dressed better or work out or do anything to take care of myself. I just want you to quit, so that I don't have to be compared to you anymore.

Speaker 2: 17:53

Yeah, exactly that sounds a lot like that video that you had on to talk about when you said something to your wife like why did you put that there?

Speaker 1: 18:04

Yeah, yeah, the way people speak.

Speaker 2: 18:05

Yeah, and you know they do that. They Make sure that they comment to try to put me down so that they feel better and Then they don't have to work to be better.

Speaker 1: 18:16

Well there's I believe there's an attention element to some of the comments. I think that people's intention is to get attention and if somebody like you is getting attention and they are not, they'll jump on your coattails to try to make it. So there's a reason that they're noticed, because you're noticed. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 18:33

I think there's an element of just. It's an attention Addiction, attention game right now, which is higher than it's ever been, because this was usually reserved for famous people and now, now regular people like us are able to have more fame. Then, you know, was ever possible, even 50 years ago, you know, I just wasn't a thing, and you know. So if you think about it like a stadium full of 20,000 people, that's a lot of people, right? Yeah, that's a lot of people. If you put 250,000 people in one area, you got you a woodstock. Yeah right. Yes.

Speaker 1: 19:12

How many followers do you have on tiktok?

Speaker 2: 19:15

253,000 you.

Speaker 1: 19:16

You have woodstock level followers. Yeah. That's a lot of people. Yeah but we're like, yeah, but it's not multi-million, something like why? Why was that comparison ever there? If you had a 250,000 people audience, it is an ocean of humans. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 19:38

And we still somehow go. Man, just not enough, not enough. The attention game right now is fascinating. It's interesting to say how is something that if you had everybody who follows you in one space, you can't even see all of them. Not enough, not enough. And so people are going. Well, I only have a thousand people, or I only have 400 people. If I go and piss off Michael and him and I go back and forth, then all of that woodstock level people will notice me right.

Speaker 1: 20:10

So I'm gonna get under your skin so people pay attention to me.

Speaker 2: 20:14

Let's make a few that we don't even agree on right, yeah, I, it's so true, because I've even have people get on there and say, oh, you're just on here for attention and I'm like, hum, you just dropped that comment in my video, so are you not on here looking for a little attention yourself? And then I'm like there's millions of people on here and it's a app about getting attention.

Speaker 1: 20:42

That's well, well said. Careful, though, michael, you are calling people shit out.

Speaker 2: 20:47

No, yeah.

Speaker 1: 20:48

They are on the app to get attention. I Think the difference is you're like yeah, that's what we're all here for. I'm just doing better at it than you.

Speaker 2: 21:01

I get get that comment because I just posted video, a couple of video replies where people drop negative comments. And this one guy he's trying so hard To get me to make a video reply because even comments and I'm like, bro, you're gonna troll my page, you need to be better at it, cuz. And I'll tell them. I'm like, yeah, I've heard that one before. You got to do better.

Speaker 1: 21:27

Yeah, try again.

Speaker 2: 21:30

Talk live the other day. I'm like, bro, listen, I'm just gonna tell you now You're trying but you're not very good at it. And if you must stay on my page. You got to come up with new content, or I'm just in June. I'm gonna block you because I don't want to keep saying the same crap.

Speaker 1: 21:45

Up your game. Yeah, quit, quit trolling me like a basic bitch. I need you solid. I need you hitting harder. If you're gonna come and play, you better get your big boy back, cuz you're playing little league with me and I need you playing hardball.

Speaker 2: 21:58

Yeah, and I think they think I think they flip out because they don't understand that concept, that what they're telling me is not getting me upset. I'm telling they got to do better, like it, they. They don't faze me at all anymore.

Speaker 1: 22:13

I love it. I love it. I love the troll game. I love it. Yeah, actually I really enjoy people fucking with each other to see, like, how do you handle it? And this is what I train often, and doesn't matter what people say, it's how you choose to handle it. And so I do enjoy the back-and-forth Retort and seeing people come in, especially live when they'll say some shit things. Yeah, just real time, how quickly can I flip it? Yeah.

Speaker 1: 22:36

Yeah, I've had. I've had people come on my lives to start off with just being total assholes and then, after a few minutes, our fans.

Speaker 2: 22:44

Yeah, I've had a couple females who thought I was Putting pictures and stuff on there that were Doctored or whatever, and then I made videos and showed that they were. Now we're friends. I had a person in my life the other day and, to be honest with you you know he's been on there a few times and he's like, oh you, you really need to get off Tick-tock and like, really find a real woman. I said, well, I, I am your mom's right next to me.

Speaker 1: 23:14

Yeah, your, your mom's the sweetest. She's such a good cook.

Speaker 2: 23:18

Yeah, I said right here he's like well, what's her name? And I said well, her name is. And then he just I didn't hear from after that. I.

Speaker 1: 23:31

Would just go. You don't know your mom's name. You should give her a call. That's what I would say is like you don't know your mom's name, you should call her a little more. Turn your ringer on. Your son's gonna call. It's fun to have those things. I've had those things where people come in they try taking shots. They can't get me, I'm too fucking tough, yeah, but they shoot at my girl and so we go live. They'll take shots of Andrea and they'll try that kind of shit. So I remember one time, like these are just good troll patrols. We like how good can you like dodge and strike back Right. And so I remember we were doing a thing and a guy jumped in he said if you're a men's expert, why is your girl not hotter? Oh, gosh.

Speaker 1: 24:17

You know, I mean that's what he said taking a shot at my girl. That's me I don't give a fuck. Right, he's taking a shot at her and she was like what the fuck? And I was like my girl is not hotter. Let me just tell you guys and I went on a five minute rant about why I appreciate and I love her so fucking much. This is a great woman. I'm like thank you for the reminder to remind her how fucking wonderful she is. You know, I just I love taking these things. Or I had a guy one time. They're all funny to me when they're like if, if you're a real psychologist, then you would know Carl young, because you're not shit if you don't know Carl young. And I was like this is a Wonderful quote that you just put down there. One of my favorite things Carl young says is that thinking is hard and that's why people judge instead. Here you are in one sentence about Carl young dropping three judgments. I love it.

Speaker 2: 25:07

That's awesome. Wow, then walk right into that.

Speaker 1: 25:12

Yeah. Or a lady came in and said like, like I Was explaining what a proper alpha is, what a good leader is, a man who builds, a man who supports a man who does these things and she says, no, alpha, whoever calls themselves an alpha is an alpha. And I was like, oh, I can't wait Listen. After that conversation, she's a follower now and now we're cool. Oh, because they just coming in just saying stupid things, yeah, I don't react to it, I just go, it's cool, it's fine, let me just continue. And then they end up listening for a second and going, all right, that actually checks out. All right, my bad, I just. I actually was only watching for 30 seconds before I commented. I didn't know what I was. Welcome, welcome to the family.

Speaker 2: 25:59

Those are the words when they just come in and then drop a comment, and Before they even know what's going on.

Speaker 1: 26:07

I would say the worst are the ones who are just trying to flock with people for fun, like either the ones who come in and they'll Put political things in or make racist statements or religious statements just to rile up people, and that's like they'll come in and be like Trump socks or Biden's a piece of shit. They'll just come in and make it a political thing, or they'll try and ask me something that has nothing to do with my field at all and I'm like that's not my world, I don't know. That's my expertise is in in that section. So those are the ones where, like Andrea does just remove them from the group. That's our troll patrol. Where's like you're just here to talk about Trump. I'm not even. I'm not even political.

Speaker 2: 26:45

Yeah it's not my channel. They just agree with you and are willing to listen and learn or not, you know but for them just to come in, just create havoc, whether they yeah which is fine.

Speaker 1: 26:58

It's just we just can't have you hang out with us. There's a whole, there's tons of groups for that. There's a little, there's a ton of people can't wait for you to jump on and talk about it. It's just not this one, right, which is cool. What are you gonna do next? What's your plan? Man, like like, all right, let's say, let's, let's hit your goals and let's see where you're going. All right, let's say, 420,000 followers by 420. Let's say the miracle of Christmas happens, which, by the way, I know Santa Corky. So the miracle of Christmas may happen, right, but let's say you do it. Then what? What are you gonna do with this? Let's say, let's say you really do have the, the, the, the cloud to the fame, the attention. What are you gonna do with it?

Speaker 2: 27:38

honestly, I the the thing that's always been my goal is to Help men with their confidence, help men dress better, help men to Know the basic things that men at my age, around your age, the whole thing, with my name being silver fox, got the beard, I got the white hair, but with being a silver fox, you know, you know chivalry I probably didn't pronounce shiver, shivery, shivery you know the sidewalk walk rule, you know, you know how to treat women. You open doors. You, you give up your seat to people women, interesting.

Speaker 1: 28:22

I Jump in only because there's these things like this is like well, how many of today's societal ladies are really fallen for this traditional value, chivalry thing? What would you say, just in your experience I know that this is not an official study, but just in your experience what would you say? Like you know, percentage wise, of women who are like we are highly interested in traditional values and I'm looking for a chivalry Abiding, honorable man?

Speaker 2: 28:51

Honestly, from the women I've met, I mean I would say, and then just from the women that follow me, I would say at least 50%.

Speaker 1: 29:00

Nice, you got like at least half. Now You're talking about the ladies who are around 50 years old, ish.

Speaker 2: 29:05

No, honestly, I'm talking women. My followers are like 22%, 18 to whatever, and then 30 to 45 is like another 20% and then 50. I mean they break down. 60% of my followers are from like 25 to 55. So, I mean, I get a lot from a lot of different age groups.

Speaker 1: 29:29

Now, are you seeing any kind of a correlation to, like you said, half of them are pro Traditional values and chivalry, and half of them? What's the other half doing?

Speaker 2: 29:39

Well, I don't know because I haven't really engaged with them like that, but I do know that a Lot of them, like even girls locally that I meet and talk to, they find it very refreshing when a guy opens the door and they find it very refreshing when a guy Stands on the right side by the road when you're walking with them. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 30:05

They just they don't. They don't get that, they don't see that very often I think a lot more probably would like those traditional values, but they just don't have enough men out there that actually know how to do it.

Speaker 1: 30:18

All right. So let's go in and let's do it the way that I like to do it, where the ladies the ladies are shit in their own bed. But let's go ahead and fuck with the dudes now. Not enough dudes know how to do it. What is going on with our boys? Did the dad's just stop being dads? Like what happened?

Speaker 2: 30:35

I'm pretty sure that and I love gen X work. We were a great Generation. But I think a lot of us in the gen X Years, especially probably toward the end, the early gen X, probably different but they just quit teaching their kids. You know, you in the 80s, you know, getting into the 90s, toward the end of gen X, you know the divorce rate definitely started climbing. I think that men weren't around as much and they weren't teaching their kids, their boys, how to be men.

Speaker 1: 31:10

Do you think gen X? Just that they just stopped wanting to be dads, like men were just Throwing away their biological setup. They're like we don't want to be dads, we just quit. What do you think happened?

Speaker 2: 31:22

You know that I couldn't tell you. I got married and like 91, so I was married 20 years. But I grew up, you know. I taught my sons about sidewalk rule. They give up their seat, we pull over somewhere because someone broke down. We tried to help them in their cars and I remember my oldest son at 18 Going to his prom. Him and three other guys and three other girls were all meeting up for one house to take pictures before they went to the prom and Were all the parents were there having a good time took all the pictures. They all got in their cars to go to the prom. Out of the four Boys, my son was the only one that walked around, opened up the car door, his date got in, closed it and people that were on the other side of the street that were watching all these pictures taken who wasn't even part of it start clapping their hands for my son.

Speaker 1: 32:26

Where were the other dads? Were they there?

Speaker 2: 32:29

Yeah, all three of them were there.

Speaker 1: 32:31

They were all there and these dads are like we don't fucking care.

Speaker 2: 32:34

I guess, not.

Speaker 1: 32:35

So you think the male value, the male side of this is like these dudes are just. They're just guys need to do, really do need to step it up. Is is that? Is that kind of what you're seeing?

Speaker 2: 32:45

I, I am, I mean, I See a lot of women, young and old, like an older man, because they're respectful, they know what they want, they know how to handle themselves and, most of the time, they know how to treat women.

Speaker 1: 33:01

Hmm, that's interesting, because if we're all so great at it, why is everybody's relationships failing?

Speaker 2: 33:10

True.

Speaker 1: 33:12

Like if these guys are all like we got the way I walked out of the sidewalk rule, why is the relationship still ending?

Speaker 2: 33:20

Greed selfishness.

Speaker 1: 34:16

All right. Well, what happened in this whole? Like the sidewalk rule, I open her door, I pay for things, I take care of this stuff, and where does my greed and selfishness come in?

Speaker 2: 34:24

well, I mean the greed and selfishness came in when you before that, like the women, they, they want more, they want this, they want that, they want the men to be traditional men, but yet they want to have their own. How do you say Liberal way to where? It's what they want, the women's movement.

Speaker 1: 34:54

Mm-hmm. So it wasn't men's, because I thought it was the guys that fucked it up. So you're saying the greed and selfishness started coming in when the ladies changed their minds? So now guys are still doing traditional values protecting, residing, providing, making sure I take care of her and keep her away from danger and open her door and show her honor and respect and they wanted more, and so all of the men's traditional values are no longer as valuable.

Speaker 2: 35:22

They're still valuable. I think the selfishness is that they want everything they want. They want to be the own person, they want to make up their own rules, whatever. And then the men but they still want that men to be traditional men. I think the reason that the things are failing is not necessarily the the older men, because the older men has been there, they've done it, they you know, but when they were in the relationship, when they were married or had a long-term relationship, whatever. I just think the men like the 30s, 20s, 30s and Make you know, almost early 40s, those are the men that don't know the sidewalk grow. They don't know how to treat the women because their parents never taught them.

Speaker 1: 36:08

Well, maybe I'm wondering if these women who are still doing make their own rules. Be their own thing, which I'm not against. Be your own person, of course. Make your own rules, that's fine. There's, I think there's, a price tag to everybody doing the things they do, and so it. Let's say these guys are knowing the rules, but do you think the girls want? That is where it's getting weird right now. If women are pushed for Burden of performance, they're pushed for. They have to be the boss, they have to run the show and they honestly do. And this is where I'm seeing more and more women in the sphere Think they do everything and we do nothing and we need to step it up.

Speaker 1: 36:47

And there's a lot of really interesting things happen, even in our lifetime, where we're watching. Wait a second, we're giving you all the advantage. We worked our asses off to give you guys the advantage and now that you have it, you say we're not doing enough. That's an interesting thing. I don't normally do shout outs for people I haven't worked with. But there's a really funny dude on Tic-Tac. His name is home math. I don't know if you've seen him. I'm shouting him out. I'd love to do a show with him, but he breaks this stuff down to go. Maybe ladies, maybe us guys aren't doing enough.

Speaker 1: 37:22

First off, we built the entire infrastructure that you're working in, that you want to run. Yeah, we built the whole damn thing over thousands of years. And now that it's up and running and built, and the electrical is there and the Concrete is done and everything is done, now you want to be the one who controls it? Yeah, interesting. So what did we do? We gave all the advantages, we pay for everything. But then you want equal pay. Okay, you have equal pay, but we still supposed to make more to you, more than you, in order to be chosen.

Speaker 1: 37:50

But when it comes to schooling, well, opportunities are given to females, not males, and, and especially, you know, a white male. What are the scholarships, what are the opportunities that are given to a white male? Probably not very many compared to a female. So now, way more advantage women. Education wise boys are treated like shamefully, we're treated like we're fucking crazy for being boys. So that's shamed. So now self-esteem and confidence as a young man is Really plummeting because of blame, shame and judgment on boys and girls are lifted up, even for bad behavior, advanced girls. And then we have Opportunities in workplace equal now, but girls are going to be. I want you to make more. And then when we go on dates, who pays, who protects, who provides, who takes care? I'll take the bill. Who does that? The chivalry element they still want chivalry, but they want equality.

Speaker 1: 38:43

Yeah and so, at the end of it, you're not at her level. When we built all of the advantages that she has to be at her level, but she doesn't want to talk about those advantages. You're still not good enough, even though the only reason that she has what she has is we gave it to her exactly.

Speaker 1: 39:03

This. So now you have to go into what sphere now? And they want equality, they want to be treated equal. I did a video the other day about 50 50. I was like, let's go ahead and Dutch the world right now. Let's go ahead and everything's 50 50. I'm in, let's see if it fucks dudes over. And we started going down the list and by the end of the list no women wanted 50 50 because court systems just got way better for us right.

Speaker 1: 39:28

The, the, the bunch of really tough laws got better for us. Abortion rights changed completely. We're gonna say now it's our child, our choice, right? We both got to agree. Alamone's gone. You should be working to the same amount of hours I do, and if I'm doing a dangerous job, you're doing a dangerous job. There's no pick a favorite right, you know it's equal pay, equal everything. All the bills are down the middle. You, good, with all the bills down the middle.

Speaker 1: 39:55

I'm not no, I'm gonna. Let's just say like does it hurt you more? Are you? Are you hurt more if all your bills got cut in half? Would that hurt you or help you?

Speaker 2: 40:05

it would help me well, advantage us.

Speaker 1: 40:07

Okay, that sounds good, you know. And there's some rules that seem pretty obvious too, like, hey, listen, if guys can work in the new landscaping with no shirts, so can girls. We agree, there's some 50-50. That this was. We were looking at the list and when I went through the 50-50 list I was like, uh, this list is looking pretty great for dudes, the protection, danger, drafting, firefighting, crime fighting, 50-50. If I'm drafted, you're drafted, let's go. Yeah, all right, we go into all the heavy, dirty jobs, all the stuff that you don't like to do. Well, maybe can do that shit too. If you're working in the car, she's working on the car. If it's roofing time, it's roofing time. Snow shovel, grab your shovel, baby, it's time to go.

Speaker 2: 40:47

Yeah, I saw, I Think is this Peterson.

Speaker 1: 40:54

Yeah, there's any talked about the yeah quality of power and not equality of responsibility.

Speaker 2: 41:00

In an interview and the ladies like you just need to have the proper what's like the ratio, like If the CEOs like women should have just as many CEOs, and he's like well, okay, well, that's fine, but if you want it to be equal to the percentage of the people, then when you need, start having more women and being bricklayers correct. She was not about that and I firmly will not get remarried until the court system Changes, because men get screwed After the divorce.

Speaker 1: 41:40

You're right. Okay, so we can address. Women don't want equality of Responsibility, they want equality of power and the reality is they want more power and call it equal. We're not gonna deal in truth anymore. I actually I have a lot of things when I've worked with women where denial is their core system of Operation. So truth is the hardest game in the in the system. But that's a different, that's a different conversation. So here we are, we're getting into why not get married again? And there's these different movements. Now I don't go red pill, but I understand the merit behind it. So, like your rich coopers and guys like that, we're like why would a guy get married again? It's a bad business deal.

Speaker 1: 42:24

Yeah like if you looked at the paperwork on this one. This would be like if I were to do business with a company with this contract and all liability is on me. I lose half my company. If they ever just have an emotional day, I don't have to have a good reason for the company to back out on their deal. They can change their deal whenever they want to. They can stop doing maintenance, they can stop taking care of their end, they can stop doing whatever. They can be bitchy, naggy, tear me down, stop being encouraging, quit doing their job completely, in fact, go the whole totally other way, and then, as soon as I Don't like it, I have to lose half my business, right? Well, I don't think I would sign that deal. It doesn't seem like a good deal for me, and so this is where getting the state or the, the government, involved in a commitment and Our, our vows to each other, which seemed to be only one, matters, but it's also situational. Yeah, like.

Speaker 1: 43:25

Tell me what your thoughts are on this whole entire system, because you're a dead center of it. Like what, what do you got?

Speaker 2: 43:31

Well, I I'm just at the point in my life where I would have another long-term relationship Call it marriage, call it whatever you want where you're to, or committed to each other. But honestly, I think a marriage is, it's just a commitment between you, your spouse and God alone. That government shouldn't have a Of saying it. So if you want to have a commitment Well I don't know what you want to call it, however you want to do it, but just something that's made up between you and your spouse that, hey, I want to be committed to you.

Speaker 2: 44:07

You know, you alone, just as us, and then that's it. And then if you end up it doesn't work out, then you guys split ways and everything's good. But I don't, I don't think government should be Anywhere in involved with, and I don't think that being married, like even the taxes, like I don't think that Getting married Through the government and then get tax breaks for being married, as an answer it's all right.

Speaker 1: 44:34

So okay, does that? Maybe? Then let's me try and get him a feminine thing here. Does that maybe make it then? So there's just less responsibility and liability for men? Maybe they just want an easy way out. They just don't want to own when it's time for them to step up and so it's easy for them to leave, like those are the kind of things that seem like it's a cop out that you don't want to get married. It just shows that you're just not ready for commitment. Note that I'm speaking in judgments, but yeah.

Speaker 1: 45:05

And so and so these are the things thrown around. What do you think about these, these claims that are thrown around? We're like sounds like you're just afraid to commit. What do you think?

Speaker 2: 45:14

I think it's total nonsense. Men want to commit, men want to have a relationship with a woman and Know that they're getting the appreciation. And the three things met horny Food, hungry, horny and appreciation. And that's what they want. They really do. But they don't want To be penalized and have half their stuff taken because it didn't work out.

Speaker 1: 45:43

Yeah, I actually don't agree in the alimony aspect of it at all, and on either side I don't think that a woman should be paying a man and a man should be paying a woman. I don't give a shit. I think that the privilege itself to say that I didn't have to work was a benefit of being with that person, not something that that person took you under their wing and took care of you for a long time and then you said I don't want to be with you anymore. It's not their responsibility to pay for you when they always were paying for you. Right, that person? If anything, it should be. Well, you got back pay on all the years they took care of you. Then, yeah, if anything, it would be the other way around. I never understood alimony, especially since I watch people get paid to go out and mess around with as many people as they want. Now I got to pay for you to go mess around with other people. Why is that? My responsibility, because I took care of you.

Speaker 1: 46:39

Yeah yeah, well, she chose to stay home. Yes, she fucking chose to stay home, right? Well, she took care of the kids. If it's the other way for the dude which I have talked to those guys, I took care of the home. I helped her get her degree, I helped her build her business and then she left me for the guy at her business.

Speaker 2: 47:00

Yeah, because took everything leveled up yeah, she leveled up above him, and now he wasn't good enough for her, and so now she wants a higher grade male in her view.

Speaker 1: 47:11

Mm-hmm. So the hypergamy element is there for girls, but then when it's the other way around, fuck that guy. He doesn't get alimony, he shouldn't get shit. Fuck that, right. Listen, I don't think anybody should. I think nobody. Let's keep, let's cut that out. Yeah, I think that the benefits of being with the person should leave when you leave the person.

Speaker 1: 47:31

Yeah you don't keep getting the benefits of being with that person when you're not with that person. I think, just period, because if, if you have to pay financially because of the Circumstances she was used to for her life, she should still be coming over to sleep with you twice a week because that's what you wanted. That's right, that was the agreement.

Speaker 2: 47:51

She's got like a whole another version of friends with benefits once she gets alimony Right. Friends with the benefits of getting the money.

Speaker 1: 47:58

Well, that's, that's nonsense, I believe. I believe it's nonsensical to say, after you split, they should be coming back and sleeping with you still to make sure that your needs are met. No different than I was, any man or woman should have to pay for somebody else's stuff Because they were always taking care of before. That doesn't make any sense to me.

Speaker 2: 48:18

No, totally agree. I mean, when you're in a relationship, you have these Benefits. When you're out of relationship, you don't have the benefits.

Speaker 2: 48:29

Just seems pretty simple, yeah, and pretty simple as far as I mean. I kind of correlate that with the same thing as far as when you were talking about Relationships and abortion and all these other things and everything. One fifty fifty, I do not have the right to tell woman what she can or can do with her body, sure. However, if she chooses having abortion, that's her choice. If we both are involved in it and I decide I don't want to have to pay child support for 18 years, then I shouldn't have to pay child support if she decides to raise the kid.

Speaker 1: 49:10

It's such a fuzzy game on that one, so we play with it. I know the Dave Chappelle stick on it and all those things too. It's a trickier game. Abortion is a no win for anybody. I actually broke it down to the exact like what's the best case for everybody, whether you're religious or not or whatever there's. It's a no win scenario. Nobody knows. No, there's no, there's no best way. The best way is still the worst, like there's no win. So On this one, though, the the fifty fifty element is not about like child support, because I think everyone should be taking care of their kids, period, and the fifty fifty should be like no, that you see your fucking kid. I don't agree with that. Every other weekend, that's fucking shenanigans. Yeah, parents should be involved with their kids at the cannon. A majority of guys do want to be good dads.

Speaker 1: 49:55

Yeah now I'm not saying all. There's guys out there who openly are fucking shit dads and don't they don't.

Speaker 1: 50:00

They don't like me because I go like Dude, you're clearly being a shit dad. Yeah, why don't you put some effort? Remember willing this effort? You're not doing your part. That kid needs you. You're not even trying. But there are good dads who have to fight their ass off just for their weekend. Yeah, and this is where it gets a little. A little bit goofy on that. But when it comes to this thing, my buddy made a point one time Sure, your body, your choice, that's fine, but you're talking about a life that isn't your life.

Speaker 1: 50:27

Yeah and this is where it gets a little different, because he said let's say, my wife and I when together and and we're four months in on our pregnancy and she's she just up and changes her mind. She's done with me, she wants to go be with another guy, she wants to leave and she's like I'm leaving you, I don't want to be with you. We're getting divorced period, no question, we don't even debate, you're done. He's like what the fuck? And she's like well, now I don't want this kid because it's your kid. So my body, my choice, I can go in the second trimester, smoke this. That can just kill this kid.

Speaker 1: 51:00

Yeah and he's like hold on, we may not have worked out, but you're gonna go kill my son or daughter Because you don't want to be in a relationship with me. That's still my son or daughter right.

Speaker 1: 51:13

And I still want my son or daughter, as I still, as a man, I still want my son to have a life and I still want my daughter to have a life. I still want that now. Just because you changed your mind doesn't mean I don't get a say in protecting my child, and so that's where it went 50 50. It's not your body, your choice, that's not your life. That's a different life now. Yeah, and it should be our choice now of both. Choose that at least you had that option. And you know all all sudden done for all my political people who want to get out there with your picket signs and call Girls going through this shit, horrors and whatever, like, if you want to go and be the opposite of what Jesus said to do, you can go, do that shit. But you know the way to fix that is have it signed where you go. Yes, I know I'm taking a life and yes, I'll take it up with big guns when I get there. It's my shit.

Speaker 1: 52:04

Yeah like, yeah, that's on me, and when I get up there I'll talk to him and, whatever it is, I'll pay my price. That's what I'm gonna have to do. Whatever atonement it is, it is mine. Whatever responsibility, it is mine, it is my shit. I have to do that. Well then, get your picket signs out of there, because even if it's all pro life, where we put in all the kids that are wanted, right, there's no win. There's no winners. You guys are fucking no winners. There's no winners here. And so let people own their shit. Both parents should have a call. They know they're killing a kid. You're not, can't call it, not that. But they got to own it. When they get there, they got to own it. Yeah. And then, at the end of all of this shit that even if we did say you can't abort any kids anymore, there's a lot of unwanted kids when do we put them all?

Speaker 1: 52:51

Yeah where do we put unwanted children?

Speaker 2: 52:54

Yeah, and in foster homes. Yeah, there are people that can't and do, but I think the majority of them would not be able to get Adopted because there would be more more kids unwanted than wanted.

Speaker 1: 53:06

But the adoption thing is, it's like a 20,000 dollar ordeal. Yeah well, not any, but most people. But again, these kids, let's say we have an influx of children like millions. Even if we could make adoption stuff easier, it's not to say how do we know who's good people and bad people, and right for anything, wrong for it? And it's even funnier, as the irony is, is the people who have the kid Didn't have to go through any criteria to be good or bad, they just had to fuck. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 53:37

They could. They're, they're already the worst, but they just get the kid. But the people who are good people have to prove they're good people to get a kid because they're not able to have the kid. Can we see there's a kind of like? I don't think we do much thinking about this.

Speaker 2: 53:52

Yeah, it's definitely mind-blowing. It's funny that we say this because I just made TikTok video before I got on here and it was humor and it's politics and humor. But basically the joke was Ladies, if you have three baby daddies, please don't vote in the election, because you Obviously you're going to make a bad choice again.

Speaker 1: 54:18

So, that's funny. Ah silly, we're in a weird time, we're weird times and the point is, I'm not making a political stance or a stance on this. I'm making a human stance and going like I don't think either thought either side has really thought it out.

Speaker 2: 54:34

No, it's, it's. It's a very complicated.

Speaker 1: 54:37

It's extremely complicated and, and that's why it's a no win I really have broke it down to the very like this is the best, best case for all and it's still a lose lose. There's no win, it's a no win scenario, and so the best thing you can really do is let people be accountable to their decisions. They have to own their shit. That's just what it's going to have to be. They're going to have to answer for it when it's their time. That's it. You don't control that. In order, jesus say you should don't judge people unless you want to be judged the same way. It's just Matthew seven, go to Sermon on the mound if you have any questions.

Speaker 1: 55:10

Yeah you know, actually Matthew seven will probably solve most of this issue. Actually, don't judge people the way unless you want to be judged. Um Golden rule and there's going to be false prophets, people who said they did all of these acts in God's name. They cast out demons, fought battles, they did all this shit in God's name. He's gonna go. You're not one of mine.

Speaker 2: 55:29

Well, I mean, if everybody followed the golden rule, then we wouldn't have issues at all with anything. Yeah, I mean, if you loved your, your neighbor, more than you loved yourself.

Speaker 1: 55:39

Well, not more, but as much as. But even still, if we just it's a good starter place. There's loopholes to the golden rule, but it's a great baseline. Yeah, you know, because, for example, if I'm a UFC fighter and I love getting punched in the face, that doesn't mean I punch you in the face because I love it. Right, you know. So there's loopholes to it. Yeah, you know, and so there's, there's, but the bases bases is still there. Do you like your stuff stolen? Oh, no, well, they don't steal people's shit. Right, you know, the baseline is there. Do you want to get canceled and not be able to speak and someone puts tape over your mouth? No, then don't do that to people. You don't like that. Don't do that. It's a good baseline.

Speaker 1: 56:14

Yeah you know, and so it's. It's just funny to watch the irony of today and the the way that we're seeing things turns in this really awkward sales pitch instead of an understanding yeah, what is truth becomes just whoever sells it better. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 56:32

Um, what was that line? I think it was line was um Adolf Hitler? He said if you tell a true or tell a lie long enough and often enough, eventually it will become truth Correct.

Speaker 1: 56:42

That's what we're in right now, yeah, where opinions that are screamed become the beliefs that people will live and die for. Yeah, the funny thing about beliefs and I do a lot of belief training Do beliefs require facts to become beliefs? No, well, it's funny how we live and die by these things that we do not even require a fact to have right.

Speaker 2: 57:08

Yeah, it's, it's crazy. I mean that's. You're exactly right. People just they don't. Nothing is based on facts for the most part. What's a what's a fact? How do I know?

Speaker 1: 57:19

Well, what's a? What's a fact? How do I know this? Is it like? Even still, I do an example just to be very silly with it, but it's still truth, it's reality.

Speaker 1: 57:31

Um, isaac Newton, he's like apple hitting the head man. Gravity pulls us down and people are like I don't know, dude, let me check. They're like Got pulled down. He must be right, seems correct. Uh, let it go, it went down. Looks like I got pulled down. Gravity must pull you down. They're like Can't disprove it. Isaac Newton, you are right, it is a fact. Gravity pulls you down.

Speaker 1: 57:59

And then this Albert Einstein guy comes around and he was like Let me do the math. And he's like he mess it out. Does all the physics to it? He's like gravity isn't pulling you down, it's pushing down from the outside. Look at the math. It's actually pushing down, not pulling down. It's different direction. Am I pushing or my polling? It's pushing. It's different. It's outside in, not inside down. And they're like look at the math, look at the math. Look, math checks out. This is, he's right, it's pushing down. So Isaac Newton was right. But now Albert Einstein is right. Until some alien shows up and goes you guys are all wrong. This is the formula for gravity. You're gonna go like the checks out. That's the new gravity. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 58:47

So what's the fact then? It's just, it's just what we know so far, until we know more, and then we change it again true.

Speaker 1: 58:56

They're like what the mathematics? Maybe mathematics, sure, but math is sure, confusing, otherwise people would get it right more often. We can stick with addition or something, fine, right, but if you get into calc, people are wrong about math all the time. I got a lot of wrong math problems. So, yeah, we're no an interesting time. The semantics are the battle We've got. Blame, shame and judgment are the weapons and you know they're destroying good guys like you. They're destroying them by just trying to make you destroy yourself, by telling you you look, you're gay, you're you're. You're just trying to get attention. You should quit and go and find a lady Like they just try and try and make you destroy you, to censor and stop you from being what you are. It's a really funny system we're in right now.

Speaker 2: 59:48

Yeah, the funniest. One of the biggest things on my tiktoks are People's comment you should dress your age.

Speaker 1: 59:57

What does it mean? Because I have to understand it's a subjective term, so I don't understand it. What does that mean? Dress your age.

Speaker 2: 1:00:04

Well, I'm still trying to figure it out, but apparently because I dress in latest fashion, or I dress in skinny jeans or tight shirts, or that's premises of a lot of my earlier TikTok videos. You know, when people say dress your age, they want me to dress like in my 50s with a polo shirt or a plaid shirt.

Speaker 1: 1:00:29

Is that what 50s wear.

Speaker 2: 1:00:32

I guess, and I mean, that's the only thing I could figure it.

Speaker 2: 1:00:36

I don't know, and then I usually say well, every time I go to the department store, I never see 50s age dress. Come here and pick out these clothes, or this is for the 30s. What it is is they're just not comfortable seeing a man dressing trendy and dressing nice, so they their whole thing is dress your age, and I usually make some videos. Well, you know, I would, but I've never been this age before. So how can I dress this age? But every day I'm a different age.

Speaker 1: 1:01:15

It's confusing, because if you're wearing something, aren't you wearing something? Yeah. So then, whatever you're wearing, did you change your age because you wore a different shirt or something?

Speaker 2: 1:01:24

No it does not.

Speaker 1: 1:01:25

So then, whatever you're wearing, is you dressing for your age?

Speaker 2: 1:01:28

Exactly.

Speaker 1: 1:01:30

I don't understand.

Speaker 2: 1:01:31

I.

Speaker 1: 1:01:31

I Listen, I'm open. Listen anybody you're open to reach out and explain this to us. I am very convinced this will be a very subjective conversation, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:01:43

They and I act hold on a sec Well.

Speaker 1: 1:01:46

I don't know. Go have fun. Listen, do whatever it is, let's do it. What is?

Speaker 2: 1:01:49

it. Okay, hold on See, I think, because I get, I buy.

Speaker 1: 1:02:07

You guys are listening to this still. It's pretty awesome. We're in real time here, oh.

Speaker 2: 1:02:11

So I buy stuff like this at Goodwill because this is why, when they say dress your age, just of what I feel they think I should look like. I think they feel like I should wear this plain plaid shirt.

Speaker 1: 1:02:24

That's a plain plaid.

Speaker 2: 1:02:25

Well, I don't know Whatever you want to call it, but it's just a plain shirt or a polo shirt, right? And that's what they think I should be in in my 50s. That's how I should dress. Like I don't know. I mean, that's my interpretation of how they feel. Like they think I should look, that I should not have style in my 50s. Nice, tell me about it. For whatever reason, I think, like once you hit 50, like you should just kind of fade away and get quiet, not get on social media, don't be relevant.

Speaker 1: 1:02:57

I don't think I'll be open with you. I don't know what they're talking about. We're wearing T-shirts, you're wearing jeans. I don't think I understand. No, yeah. Since when is T-shirts and jeans not not in?

Speaker 2: 1:03:15

Or like my shoes, like a lot of times I wear, I do a lot, my big sneaker guy, so I wear. I have probably 50 pairs of sneakers and most of them are vans, vans, converse, and they'll be like dress your age, like why are you wearing those?

Speaker 1: 1:03:33

Well, he's like we were there when those started, motherfucker, like, hold on, we are. Who are you Cabin?

Speaker 2: 1:03:40

Right, that's basically what I say is like, since they bring up my phone.

Speaker 1: 1:03:44

We were there for chucks. What are you talking about?

Speaker 2: 1:03:48

Hands and chucks were in our day. I'm like this. Half the style that you have right now is art.

Speaker 1: 1:03:55

We have three teenage daughters bringing back our old style. I'm like we used to wear that shit. I wore that in seventh grade. They're like well, things make a comeback. I'm like you guys are you can't you guys? It's adorable that they just change the name for a thing we used to do and call it original Right, and then give us shit for the things that like well, you just don't get it. I'm like don't get it. We made it. Yeah. We built it.

Speaker 2: 1:04:19

Yeah, don't, don't come up. Oh, I love this new song and you're like that's a remake.

Speaker 1: 1:04:25

Yeah, that's a Reethah Franklin in the back of the track there. You know we talked she. They didn't write a Reethah that. What are you talking about?

Speaker 2: 1:04:31

Right, yeah, usually that I get crap for wearing vans in my fifties. I'm like bitch, I had them when I was 16. I mean, vans were the shit back in the day and they they in the nineties. They kind of faded out for a little while. My man, they made a comeback and yeah, just as ridiculous what they some of these gen X, I mean Gen Z and colonial, like they all said, like they don't think anything existed before they came around.

Speaker 1: 1:05:05

Oh, that's so funny. You said bitch yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:05:08

I really yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It just irks my soul when they come at me about bands or the nineties, like nineties, I mean nineties have been around since the seventies. Sure Like seventies, whatever, and they act like he. I don't know they really want you in your fifties to wear what is the dad shoes?

Speaker 1: 1:05:35

Lofers, I don't know. No, I got house slippers. Is that house slippers?

Speaker 2: 1:05:42

What is the? What the heck are those shoes called? Yeah, I can't think of now. I think it's vans, yeah, but there's their dad shoes is what they're? New balance, oh new.

Speaker 1: 1:06:04

Yeah, we didn't wear a new balance bag in the day, nobody wore a new balance, that was.

Speaker 2: 1:06:11

But yeah, that's 30 years ago. Oh yeah, I never, never wore him. I got paired for work because they're just comfortable. When I'm, I walk like probably four miles a day when I work, so yeah, you don't want to have that old balance, you want a new balance, new balance that's a little wobbly.

Speaker 1: 1:06:31

That's so funny, man. I I'll be very open with you. I've had some cool talks. Somebody you should check in on to is Tanner Guzy. He's an expert on men dressing like their style and he's right there with you. He's like it doesn't matter how old you are, man. You dress authentic, you dress confidence and it changes your swagger, changes your energy, actually changes your hormones, your chemicals. Things change and like who dressed up the most extravagant, who had the most peacock outfits possible? Do you know who in history would have the loudest outfits?

Speaker 2: 1:07:05

That would either have to be Liberace or not person like groups, what, what, what style?

Speaker 1: 1:07:12

who had the? Who had the most eccentric style when it came to like the types of people who, throughout history? I'll tell you the answer, because I didn't know it either.

Speaker 2: 1:07:21

I don't know.

Speaker 1: 1:07:22

It was the Warriors. The Warriors would have the biggest headdresses, the most most pins, the most metals, the most decorations. The Warriors are the ones that would have, like I earned the right to wear this outfit. I earned the right to be the brightest colors or the biggest feathers or whatever it was, because I have kills or I have honor or I have protected, I have killed, whatever it is. The Warriors had the loudest outfits because it was an honor to be the most peacockish at the time, because it meant you were a fucking badass.

Speaker 2: 1:08:00

Yeah, yeah. Well, I definitely know like dressing and it doesn't matter what you like. You said that guy said when you find your style and you find what works for you, it gives you that confidence, you feel better, you feel younger, you feel alive. I know, and mine's changed from three years ago, starting on TikTok. Three years ago I wore tons of American fighter shirts because that was my style then. I don't wear them as much now, but I know like to wear what some people will call shm mediums Not as small, not a medium, but it fits.

Speaker 1: 1:08:44

I love shm mediums.

Speaker 2: 1:08:46

Yeah, shm mediums are perfect. Yeah, shm mediums are great. Then I know the colors. Like I like pink, I rock pink. A lot of guys are intimidated by it, but it fits my color, my skin tone, it fits my personality and recently I've been wearing a lot of black. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:09:08

Black never goes out of style. Black global looks good, but it's all about what style that fits your personality and when you find it, you find it, you know. And then when you know, the girls know, the girls know that you are confident in what you're wearing and how you feel about yourself and that becomes attractive to women.

Speaker 1: 1:09:29

No, it is a thing. As much as I could make jokes, it is a real thing. You are not wrong. There's a real thing there. It's just a swagger to having a confidence in your thing. It's also amazing how quickly people can take that swagger from you and they try to.

Speaker 2: 1:09:43

They try yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:09:44

It's amazing, you know. This is why you said, as a young man I didn't have the defenses, but now I got that fifties in, fuck it. Like, yeah, you can try. Yeah, I listen, I'm 41. I'm hitting 42 next month. Well, not February and March. I'm with you when you like I had the fucking thing a long time ago. I could give two damn shits, you know, and like I wear stuff that is comfortable. I'm wearing like even I was probably talking to Tanner because I point your style out. He's like you're wearing a shirt with no labels. That's your style. You got this thing here. I see you're wearing that kind of belt. Like he'll call your shit out. Like, yeah, he's like that necklace actually means this and this. He's like the earrings, those mean that. He's like that's the style. For what means this? Like it's fucking fascinating that there's so much behind all of it. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:10:32

I'm like I liked it because it was cotton.

Speaker 2: 1:10:37

That was it.

Speaker 1: 1:10:38

I didn't care, I don't give a shit you know like, and so it is fascinating to learn more and more about it. Because I don't wear labels, I don't often have stuff. My shirts I will wear have funny things on them because I don't care. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:10:52

But I think that right now, finding what makes you truly feel like you. Here's one of my synopsis, and probably why this show is doing so well and why people are hanging out so much, is because, in this day and age, people are sick and tired of fake and we're starving for authenticity. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:11:11

And when you find you and you feel good about finding you, you can't fucking touch me. You can't hurt my feelings. This is no different than if I try and judge you and go Michael, you're nine feet tall and you're like you're measuring me in feet and you got nine. That's incorrect. So it doesn't hurt my feelings when you call me nine feet tall. If I said you're two feet tall, michael, you're like you're still using feet and I know how that measurement systems work. It's incorrect.

Speaker 2: 1:11:39

Right.

Speaker 1: 1:11:40

That's not the right number. So I know you're wrong. Yeah, and when people do these types of things, those same judgments feel the same way. When they go like you dress like shit, You'll be like no, I see you're measuring it off of shit and that measurement's incorrect. I look banging. You're wrong. You know it's the same thing. You can't hurt me with a judgment if I understand the system you're using for it.

Speaker 2: 1:12:03

Yes, yeah, none of it bothers me anymore and the best part about it is when I'm out. In this example, probably three years ago I was out of the bar and I was just having some drinks and I'm wearing white jeans and I'm wearing this really bright pink curly shirt, looking good, whatever Actually had a guy tell me. I said they're playing, he's playing some darts, and he's like bro, you got some swag, you dress well. I said well, thank you. He goes, I'm not gay, it's a big old country boy. I'm not gay. But I'm telling you you dress well, I'm like bro, you can tell me I dress well, you don't have to be gay to compliment the guy.

Speaker 2: 1:12:42

And then so we got done playing darts and I'm sitting there and a female friend of mine who probably at the time was like 26 and went to college and she came in with three of her college girlfriends and all four gorgeous blondes sitting next to me. I'm sitting there talking to her and I'm at her. Friends, we're just having a good time. We did some shots and two dads my age, a little bit younger, and when I say you know, when they say dress like a dad to me, they dress like what they say, a dad should dress, had polo shorts and then a polo shirt, like they just came back from golfing and he's trying.

Speaker 2: 1:13:22

He sees me talking to these four girls and he's trying to make small talk, trying to get into talking with them, whatever. And so I'm talking with them for a few minutes and all of a sudden and he leans and he got to throw you need to, you need to dye that beard, you would look a lot younger. And the four girls now granted all like 24 to 26 gorgeous sorority girls, leaned over, heard what he said to them like oh no, don't you ever dye that beard. That beard is sexy and just shut the man right up. And then, after they left, he had to take one more jab and he's like bro, you dress like my son. I said, well damn, your son has pretty good taste. I mean, I mean I don't know what to tell him. I thought he's going to, he thought he's going to hurt my feelings, but come on, it's ridiculous, just trying to hear someone else down. They feel a little bit better about the way they are.

Speaker 1: 1:14:22

Yeah, it's a sad state for some of those things and it's interesting. It's interesting to watch how that stuff is going. Right now. Men are in a really interesting time. I think both are women are.

Speaker 1: 1:14:34

I do not. I do not envy the position women are in and in fact I actually feel really bad for the setup that women have right now, because women are about to get fucking blown out of the water by themselves. They're about to destroy. A huge group of ladies are about to have a very miserable existence. So I don't like the writing on the wall for that that's going for ladies.

Speaker 1: 1:14:53

But there's a group of guys to where it's like real, they're really shitting the bed on themselves too, and there's a lot of guys breaking away from that behavior, like the stuff you're doing, the stuff I do, where it's like leaning on authenticity, we build each other up, we don't tear each other down. There's a lot more men unifying. My entire Warriors way group is hundreds of guys and we all just build each other up. There's it's like there has to be a place where you train, you work on skills, you take the armor off, you heal your wounds and then you go back to battle. And that's what we've built where, a place where you can go man. What do you sort now? Man, I got broken hard, or my fucking entire identity was just shattered, or I lost this huge part of my life, and how do I recoup that? How do I get the training for that? And there's more guys who are starting to shift from the dog on a dude thing into being like let's work on being alphas that team up and train other alphas.

Speaker 2: 1:15:48

Being men.

Speaker 1: 1:15:49

Yeah. And boys and this is where it's shifting. But there's a lot of boy mentality out there and this is, I actually do think a lot of it has to do with the Gen X thing you said with the divorces going up. There were less dads in the home. There's more boys raised by moms and so boys are acting more feminine in the way that they speak and negativity and judgment. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:16:15

And guys, real men. When I train men I actually removed the blame thrower part out of the men's group. I kept it in the women's group but I took it out of the men's group. More men, when they've hit there like I got to wake up and do some shit here moment they shame, stack more than they blame. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:16:33

What did I do wrong? How come I couldn't make her happy? Why am I not good enough? I'm not successful. What am I missing? Like it's not, like they did this to me, stuff. That's boy stuff, yeah, but the men when they come in, they're like I know there's some shit I got to work on. Let me just. What am I doing wrong? Let's work on it.

Speaker 1: 1:16:52

Yeah, now the ladies it's usually a couple of weeks in the women's group that we have to go. Stop coming in here to shit on your partner. It's your shit, not. Look what he did. And he's not doing enough. And why isn't he doing it my way? And he should be doing this. And he never listens and it's all him. Like it's not. If you listen to you, you're a very negative force in the room. It's you. And there's weeks until it goes like okay, maybe I should stop shitting on my people. Yeah, there's a thing there. Now remove men from the equation and have these boys only raised in that environment. They're going to come in and try and do a reputation demolation, just like how women bully women. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:17:36

And the guys who are raised by women are trying to bully that way. Well, it doesn't work on an alpha, it only works on a guy who doesn't have confidence. And so the guy goes hey, bro, that shirt tight enough. I'm like it's just the smallest one they had. I couldn't find the smallest. I tried to get a smaller. They didn't have it, you know, and they're going to be like trying to hate, like for some reason, go ahead, you can't hurt my feelings. You don't have access. Right.

Speaker 1: 1:18:04

And to even attempt shows what level you're at.

Speaker 2: 1:18:08

Yeah, it's funny, you know, like, like the divorce rate went up in the early 80s, whatever Gen X, and it continues on that path. But what you're saying men need to have even if you get a divorce, whatever, they still need to have some sort of man role in their lives, whether it's a pastor or the dad, even though he's not there all the time. They need that. And the biggest example I've ever seen of this and it rings so true, it was on like I think it was like 60 minutes years and years ago, where they was in Africa and they had different areas in Africa where all these young elephants, male elephants, were harassing the rhinos and killing rhinos and just being bullies to all around Out of the third. And what they did was they went to another part of Africa and brought in three bull males, mature bull males, and brought them into that group and within like two weeks all that harassing of the rhinos and the killing and all that shit stopped because the bull males that came into there took those teenage male bulls and put them in their place and made them realize that they had responsibility. Whatever the hierarchy, when you have a dominant male in the relationship, the teenage ones just need them in the same way. With men Like you, just have to have some sort of male role model.

Speaker 2: 1:19:49

My kids, even though I divorced 10 years ago, had three sons and they were like 15, 8 and 6 or something at the time somewhere in those ages, and it was okay at first. My oldest didn't understand it and I couldn't explain to any of them at the time that they're about intimacy, because they weren't experiencing that they would not. So I had to take the brunt of my oldest not liking me for a few years until he got a girlfriend and he was serious about her and brought him in and said listen, I need to tell you something now. I said what if you and your girlfriend are together and she tells you that you're a great guy, she loves you, she respects you, you do everything right, but she doesn't want to kiss you or she doesn't want to be intimate with you?

Speaker 2: 1:20:45

How would you feel? Would you understand that? Or would you think that she doesn't want you? Because, well, I would think that she doesn't want me and so well, that's how my life was and our marriage with your mom had nothing to do with not loving her. Just, I didn't feel like I was being loved, like I was not wanted, and so you know it was able for him to click and we, from that we had a we've. We got a great relationship now. But all three of my kids I have a great relationship with, but they I had to wait and I had to put up with a lot of anger from my oldest until I could get to that point where I could express to him what the issues was between me and his mom.

Speaker 1: 1:21:33

So there's a lot. There's a lot of pieces of unpack there. Um, one thing to its tough man in this, in this world, is who was there to be empathetic for you getting shit on for years? No one who cares. Who cares about a man's feelings? You got his own.

Speaker 1: 1:21:50

His own son is like fuck you, dad, and you're like God, I got to eat this for a few years. And you can't tell people like, yeah, my fucking son shit, not me for stuff he doesn't understand yet, right. And no one's like dude, fuck, that's a lot to carry, man, that's a lot on your heart, bro. That's my boy, that's my, that's my number one, that's my, that's my blood. And he hates me for things he doesn't understand yet. And I have to take a few years and just taking it to the chin until I go. Now you're old enough for me to explain. He goes my bad dad, but nobody cares for those years that you're eating those punches, nobody cares. What about the years where you're unwanted? What about? Your needs haven't been met. Nobody gives a shit. You're a guy. Nobody cares about you.

Speaker 2: 1:22:38

He just got to take it. That's what guys are supposed to do.

Speaker 1: 1:22:41

This is where the this is why I say men do need men. They want to say. This is also why men need to lead. Men can have empathy for other men. You telling that story on my Tam Mike oh, that's. That's heavy dude. What a burden to bear. What a burden to bear. It's honorable that you'll own that shit because you did what you believe is right, even if others don't understand it, and they will punish you and shame you and hurt you. Until they understand which they're not capable of yet, nobody will have compassion or empathy for what you have to carry. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:23:19

Men do though. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:23:21

Men can go, bro. That's brutal Like fuck. I'm with you on that one. That's why I think guys need guys, guys need guys, for sure. Now why did I say leadership? Do women have empathy for men's feelings? Not well being feelings. They're man, not another man, by the way, not your fucking friend, your guy, because you're watching. Like they can have empathy for a TV show character, they can have empathy for another dude, they can have empathy for friends, but not their man. Like you were in this boat. Yeah, was there empathy for your feelings?

Speaker 2: 1:24:03

No.

Speaker 1: 1:24:04

And so this is where I've noticed the opportunity for ladies to lead. Well, you shouldn't be leading if you don't have empathy for a member of your pack. If there's any members who are omitted from giving a shit about their feelings at all, you shouldn't be running the show. Yeah. But men have empathy for their women. We actually do most of our choices to make sure she's okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:24:28

We have empathy for our children and we want our children to have what's best. I care about my kids and what's best for them. I also care for my brothers and I care for the men in my life. Men can have empathy for everyone. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:24:41

Can Untrained boys don't do this. I said men, I said men, not boys, because men give Men, sacrifice, men protect Men, support Men, encourage, men, build. Men are there to be empathetic. Men create that safe place. Yeah, boys take, boys are trying to get trophies and conquest and get more and get you and fuck you and fuck you and fuck you. No, no, no, we're talking about men here. Yeah. Now, that's not age, that's maturity.

Speaker 2: 1:25:14

Oh yeah, Age is you All boys. How I mean phrases. All men were once boys, but not all boys will become men.

Speaker 1: 1:25:26

Hard facts.

Speaker 2: 1:25:28

So you can be a man, and that also relates to like people like well, would you date someone that's 55 or would you date someone that's 30 or 25 or whatever? I look at them and say it does not matter, you could be young at 80 and you could be old at 30. I mean, it's just maturity.

Speaker 1: 1:25:51

Well, a lot of times too, is like what do you bring into the table? And this is something where you talked about like when, like you were not, you didn't feel wanted, and this is something even my girl and I have talked about. This I don't need you doing everything I do, but please at least pretend to be mildly interested in anything that I like. You don't have to do it. But it's like what are you doing, babe? Cool, that's your thing. I don't need you to do it with me.

Speaker 1: 1:26:17

If I'm building something, fixing something, playing something, you don't have to build it or fix it or play, but go like why do you like what you like? I'm just interested in what you're interested in. I'm not going to do it because she tells me about her work, but I'm never getting a job there. You know she tells me about the things that she likes, but it doesn't mean I'm gonna be joining in. It doesn't matter what it is. I don't care if she likes painting or if she likes crocheting or she likes doing dance moves. I might do the dance one, but the other ones where I'm like, I don't think I'm ever gonna join that, but I'd love to hear about why you love it.

Speaker 1: 1:26:55

Now, here you are saying there are things that I have that you have no interest and no willingness and not even a concern to care about. And I thought about something this morning and how simple people like you said, who are selfish or self-absorbed, how simple they can kind of ruin their own shit for themselves, because there's a fact I realized is that disinterested people are not interesting. Just think about it for a second If you were like, oh my God, check out this thing, it's so cool and like you know how teenagers are, like whatever, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:27:30

How interesting do I appear when I'm like that's nice, whatever, yeah, do I seem interesting?

Speaker 2: 1:27:41

No, not at all.

Speaker 1: 1:27:43

This is a factor that I want to throw in to the people. Whether it's guy or girl in the relationship, if you do not show interest doesn't mean you have to do what they do Like. If you were working on a car and I'm not a car guy I'd be like what are you working on, mike? Why is it? Do that? What's it connected to? I had no idea that was even a part on a car. That's cool, dude. I'm not going to go work on a car, but you can still wonder what you're doing and what you're doing you know, and those are the things too, and my girl and I had that it doesn't matter if I'm playing the video game. I don't need you to play, but you can go like why do you like this game? Just show interest, yeah, but disinterested people are not interesting. Just if you tattoo that in your face.

Speaker 1: 1:28:31

If any time you start dismissing your partner, stuff, whatever. I don't care about what they do, they can do whatever they want. I don't Boy, girl, man, woman, I don't give a shit. If you do not have willingness to try to take interest in your person, stuff doesn't mean you have to do what they do, but just go. Why do you like what you like? Cool, I love that for you. I've heard those phrase. I love that for you, yeah, that's great. But saying I don't care Whatever you do, oh, that's nice Good for you. Okay, well, it's your thing, wow.

Speaker 2: 1:29:08

My partner expector likes me enough to at least want to know what I'm interested in.

Speaker 1: 1:29:16

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:29:17

Does it feel?

Speaker 1: 1:29:18

good? Does it feel good when you're doing a new thing and your partner's like, hey, babe, that's how you did a thing. What is that thing? That's cool, I like it. I appreciate that you even try to do that. Do you like that? Or like whatever you're supposed to?

Speaker 2: 1:29:36

And it's just kind of dawn on me here about something you know we had talked about affirmation horny and hungry and mentally I for four years after my divorce did not go out, I did not date, I could not look at women, I had no confidence because I got tons of information but I was not getting any intimacy, I was not feeling wanted physically and that was mentally devastating to me because here on one hand, oh you're a great dad, oh you're a great husband, you work hard, you take care of us these are the things I heard and was told. But then when it comes to the better, no, not tonight, I don't feel. Maybe in the morning. In the morning, why do you have to touch me every time you walk by? That's what I got. And but at the same time I was told how good I was.

Speaker 2: 1:30:38

So after, like that went on for years and then finally, when I got the divorce, I just I felt ugly, I didn't feel wanted. For years I didn't go out, I didn't date, I didn't do any of that until a friend of mine finally got me to come out and we went to the bar and when women looked at me and smiled I would put my head down because I wasn't sure if they'd just be friendly or if they were interested, because I had zero confidence.

Speaker 2: 1:31:08

So yeah, I mean you got to have. You can't just have affirmation, you have to have the intimacy as well.

Speaker 1: 1:31:16

Yeah, I find a lot of irony that. I think that's the answer is more like bad people break good people, but the ladies have their own accountability. They have to start owning it. There's a price tag that's coming due. There's a tab coming up with the women who have freedom of speech, freedom of all these freedoms. The freedoms are there the freedom to lead, the freedom to build your own business, the freedom to have a say. All the freedoms are there now. All the rights are there now. They have been given, slash, earned. They're there.

Speaker 1: 1:31:43

Though, and now that women have just free voice, with no consequence, because we stopped beating the shit out of them and that was a guy's decided to stop guys, we decided to stop hitting girls. We, us men. No woman made us stop. Guys made guys stop the three bulls. The three bulls, the guys stopped it. Yeah. Now that that has become a privilege, that is now enabled, now it's an expectation. Well, now you got women, just, with no consequence, decimating good guys. Yeah, destroying with no consequence, no recourse, a good guy, and I see even the young kids, very young guys. We learn early on.

Speaker 1: 1:32:27

You women, if you have freedom of speech, are fucking vicious, because here you are doing all of the good guy stuff and at the end of it, your soul is broken down to feeling so unworthy, un, unvalued, unwanted, and it's just something so simple as being able to. Just, can you just not destroy the good ones? And these ladies, lady after lady, going where's all the good ones at? I'm like I bet you, if I go through your history, you fucked a handful of good guys up who are like would you like to go to the dance with me? And like I would never go with you. You look at you, you're stupid shoes. Yeah, get new balance. And then fucking kick that dude out. He's like fuck, I just wanted, I just want to go to a dance and just she mangled me in front of everybody. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:33:21

I just had one of my female warriors, her son. He said he made a very romantic list about like these beautiful traits, about these girls that he liked. And he's a middle school young guy and he's like there's a dance coming up and most of the guys stopped asking girls out by the way, I've got three teenage daughters, boys and they said the school wise boys stopped asking girls to go to dances and quit, because girls really are fucking this up. And he said there's three girls he liked. He wrote down very sweet list of these are compliments about these girls and each girl that he went to like just shot him down, like and not attacked full way, and one of them even loudly, openly embarrassed him like go to a dance with you. Are you fucking serious? Look at you, look at you. Know I would never. And he's like man, my list must have been wrong for the kindness I saw in that girl because she just, she publicly humiliated me for just seeing if she wanted to go to a dance with me.

Speaker 1: 1:34:27

Wow. So if you're saying where's all the good guys at? Well, michael, you were doing good guy shit and you felt like garbage. You felt so low you couldn't even look up. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:34:38

And you ladies think it shouldn't matter to us. If you're supposed to be the center of our world, there's a responsibility and we did a whole thing for our men. If we are your safe place, how do you take care of the place that you're safe in? If we're your safe place for protection, providing intimacy, emotional intelligence, finances for sexuality, for being fun and spontaneous and doing all the cool shit, if we're the safe place for you in all the categories, what do you need to do to take care of that place? Because I guarantee you, if your place is under attack and then you're like I'd abandon that place as soon as it protected me, you don't deserve a safe place. And if you're out there destroying good guys because they didn't have the swagger at the time, because they didn't know, they just didn't know yet and we have to wait till 50 to say fuck it. So that way maybe you'll like us. Boy, did you fuck up 50 years of good dudes before we go? I don't give a fuck. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:35:47

Where's the good guys at? I bet you you made some good guys bad boys.

Speaker 2: 1:35:51

Yeah, without a doubt.

Speaker 1: 1:35:53

I was one Sweet kid. I would go in so sweet. I didn't know what I was doing, I was an idiot, but I'd still. I went in sweet and I realized pretty quickly mid years were like being a good dude does not get the girl.

Speaker 2: 1:36:07

No.

Speaker 1: 1:36:07

No, I was like fuck this, I don't give a fuck about you. And they're like you don't give a fuck about me, I give zero fucking fucks. And they're like we should go out. Right. But if I was sweet, shot down. Yeah. Ladies, you're training us because we don't fall for ads. How many Calvin Klein ads are you falling for? None, but if your girl tells you you're good enough, it matters. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:36:35

And this is where it's opposite, because girls will watch the ads and Facebook and social media and comparisons and they fall for that shit. We don't.

Speaker 2: 1:36:44

No.

Speaker 1: 1:36:45

But they fall for that shit and then we fall for theirs and their stuff changes like the fucking weather, and we're like how are we not good enough?

Speaker 2: 1:36:52

Yeah, are we good enough yesterday, but not good enough today.

Speaker 1: 1:36:56

Well, I didn't see what post that she saw that changed her mind to make you go from a prince to a piece of shit. I didn't see what post. I didn't see what meme came across. I didn't see what video she watched that completely changed her belief system that my good guy is now a piece of shit because Chad does the dishes this way and Michael doesn't. Yeah, I never did the dishes, that was your thing. Well, chad taught me otherwise.

Speaker 2: 1:37:19

Right, right, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1: 1:37:24

That's the game, man. So this is opportunity. I hope I hope to God ladies start taking a little bit of accountability for their end. Guys are doing it Just so you know. If you look at why are there more sweet guys who are committing suicide. Why is that happening? Because guys were trying to do better. Now, not all, not all. But the guys I keep running into are like listen to me too phase.

Speaker 1: 1:37:47

We didn't like that shit either. Yeah, we didn't like that either. We saw. We saw dudes that we would have punched in the fucking face. We saw those guys hurting girls. We didn't like that either. We're going to do better. You know, we saw what the oppression was from men to women. We don't agree with that either. We're going to do better. We're going to give more power to you. We'll give more equality, we'll give more opportunity. We'll give that. We don't want that shit either. And what do you do with it? A majority of women not all a majority of women are doing harm. Why do you think the loudest men's rights activists these days are women? Because they see that women, when they have their opportunity, you have your shot right now and you're destroying other women hard, decimating other women, like women are crushing other women. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:38:44

And then they're destroying guys and then they're messing up the world for men and these women are like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I have two sons. Hold on, if you guys pull this off, my son's lives are forfeit. Like hold on a second. We got to slow down. We got all the rights, we got all the shit and things are in our favor because only are we being paid better, have more opportunity, better, scholarships, better, all the things are better. We also have don't hit a girl. And we also have like chivalry and we have. We are in a great space. Don't get rid of the good shit and then shit on the people who give us the good shit. Hold on. Hold on this guy's doing the sidewalk thing. Hold on, like I like that. I enjoy that. Don't put me on the fucking outside. I don't want that. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:39:33

But you're having a world where my son is shamed for opening your door and my son is shamed for protecting you, and my son is shamed for having an opinion that seems logical and seems just because it didn't go along with your narrative. Hold on, my son's life will be forfeit. Yeah, if you keep going this way, you'll be alone and our boys will be so beat down that there will be no bulls, there will be no alphas, there will be no men anymore. And what happens to any society that has eliminated any type of structure? Hey, paul, that's where it's going Universe 25. I wish that this, this is just. This. Experiment's been done tons of times and we're right in the middle of it. And so now good dudes like Michael Barton, who did all the good guy shit and just wants you to play with his dingaling a little bit, isn't getting the thing, and now it makes us feel completely depressed. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:40:28

We still need to be wanted. You can't tell me you did everything right and then just go like but you know I'm not touching you. Yeah. Touch is a love language and this is why that love language video I can relate very heavily. It's the one where if I said, hey, Mike, good to meet you and I go to shake your hand, and as soon as you reach out to grab my hand, I'm like get the fuck out of here, yeah. Oh, that immediate reciprocity mattered. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:40:53

You know too slow. You know you're like oh motherfucker, you know like it's. It's a disrespect, right right away. You know. But you already know that if you go to hold her hand and she pulls it away, it went from I'm giving love and you just denied and rejected. It goes immediately from good to bad, within a fraction of a second. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:41:15

That matters, and the same thing too. That's why I said the reciprocity for, for, you know, words of affirmation or even just kind loving words, there's reciprocity for that. Yeah, if I said, michael, I'm so fucking proud of you, bro, I am so proud of you, great job, you're like whatever, like okay, maybe, okay, fuck me, yeah, maybe I misspoke. You know, if you tell somebody like I love you, I truly love you, and they're like that's nice. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:41:46

How's that feel Shit, right, that matters. There's a reciprocity to the way that we speak. There's a back and forth. That happens here. Yeah, and those ones matter. But if I was like, dude, check it out, I just I bought you this thing. It's one of a kind. I bought you this. Do you have to go like, oh shit, I got to go buy you something. I'll be right back, not needed. No, you know, and if you're like even the quality time element, people have different versions of quality time, because some people can just be in the same room and they love it. They don't have to do the same thing at all. You can be reading a book and she's in her phone and everyone's happy as fuck. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:42:23

So that's all situational. That part's different for everybody. So you have to figure out quality time. And then what's like the acts of service. You know it's kind of like, hey, babe, I made the bed. And she's like, oh fuck, let me go sweep something. Like you don't have to do that. You know we're like, hey, I just I shoveled the snow. She's like, oh shit, what do I have to do? Now? I'll clean that. I guess you know I don't need you to do that, we don't. It's not a tip for tap.

Speaker 2: 1:42:48

No, but it is good for you to, because my love language, how I expresses versus what I receive, can be different.

Speaker 1: 1:42:59

So you are right, yeah, right, so in terms of your partner.

Speaker 2: 1:43:03

You have to figure both love languages and have, like I may be, active, kindness or service, and I want to do this for you, do that for you and and maybe that's how she receives it, but I don't mind is affirmation, words of affirmation, and I'll be good at that. She might have to work on being vocal and showing affirmation to me, and then I might have to change my act of kindness by guess or whatever it is that she like.

Speaker 1: 1:43:40

At least. At least be aware of incognitive that that's the thing and find agreements that match up and then show appreciation for the effort that they're trying to do, because it's not their thing. At least be cool about it. You know, this is where I think people get it mixed up, where people will do more of what you praise and less of what you nag. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:44:01

You'll do more. So if you were, I don't know anything, it doesn't matter. What is your touch element is like rubbing shoulders. You're like baby, I love that you're doing that, I just need that spot one inch down. You're like oh, is that the spot? Oh, that's my dude. Yeah, and there it is. The master is in the house and you're like you're like that. All right, I rubbed the shit out your back. Right.

Speaker 1: 1:44:23

Right. And then when you're walking through, she hits you in the ass and goes there's the massage master. You're like I'm gonna get you later, because you're praised in a way that makes you feel good. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:44:36

And it's the same thing where it's like if you're out and she's bragging like, oh my Michael, your guy may struggle, but he's the trash master. I never the trash is good, I never worry about the trash, or like he always takes care of the car or that thing's taking the more you build. Your dude up is like I just make sure that trash is good she's, I love it. It feels good. We do so much more of what we're praised and this is the element of us men that I think women forget is underneath all of this bravado and the beards and all the bad assery is just a little boy who's like look what I can do. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:45:15

Look how strong I am, or look what I can jump off of, or look what I built, or look what I made. Yeah, look at, look what I can do. That's Stuart. Look what I can do. Like Inside of us is that thing that wants to impress our girl. Yeah. I don't give a shit about everybody else. I want my girl impressed. If she's not impressed, disinterested people are not interesting.

Speaker 2: 1:45:39

Very, very true. I will tell you one more thing that I've learned. This in the last two years is past friendships that I had that I thought were solid turned out to be one sided. And what is your feeling when you have friends that they constantly take jabs, that you rip on you to make themselves look better, and then they'll say, oh, I just playing Like. No, you're not just playing. There's obviously a reason that you're doing that Like. So I cut out those types of people, relationships, because I only want friendships that are actually there to encourage me, to challenge me and uplift me, not to have friends that do that. Were all you did this and this, take jabs at you so that they look better in front of people.

Speaker 1: 1:46:35

You want my opinion on that. Yeah. I think it turns it for me. I get very sematical, I get really into, like, well, what does the word mean? Because all words are made up, we create them and then we agree upon them and that's where a meaning comes from. And so when you say the word friend, my definition may be different. Yeah, because I don't think a person who will knock you down, so I feel better would be a friend.

Speaker 2: 1:47:00

Yeah, well, I sense realize that.

Speaker 1: 1:47:02

That's. What I mean is I would remove that title from that person because friends might, for me, friends have a standard member, the standards you hold yourself to, yeah Well, my friend standard is different than that. So if you're that guy, I wouldn't give you that title. You wouldn't be friend, you would be a guy I know who puts people down. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:47:21

You know, so I wouldn't put you in friend, I wouldn't give you a title of that. I did a training this morning. I went really hard on my men and I did a training this morning, talking about the caliber of men that we are, and I put a lesson my uncle taught me a long time ago. He said the kind of people that I surround myself with do not require explanation to be good, because they are good just as I am to them. And so if I were sitting at a table with all of my guys and with no explanation and for no reason, I put $100 in the middle of the table and I just walk away, the kind of guys that you're with will reveal themselves. Some will take your $100.

Speaker 1: 1:48:02

But the kind of guys that I surround myself with would be like I don't know why he put money in the table. I don't know either, but when I come back I bet you there's more money than I left there because they don't know why I did it. So they'll just pitch in the big. I'll add money to it. Whatever he's doing, he's got a reason. So I'll add money to it with my guys, my warriors, my brothers. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:48:24

I know if I leave $100 on the table, there will be more money there when I get back than what I left. Not, where's the $100.? Right, those are friends, yeah, and so somebody who would be like fucking Michael left his money zoinks stupid. Yeah. Not your friend. Yeah, your friends do not need explanation to be good.

Speaker 2: 1:48:45

Yeah, exactly, and for our friend. He's not like I don't talk with them, I just associated myself because I realized that it was friendship, was one sided. I would be there for them for whenever, whatever they needed, and for them I was there only for them to go out and drink and have a good time, and once it, when it came down to me needing something or need their help, that wasn't the case, and then when we were out, you know, like I said, there's only one and he always had to try to say something smart ass to make me look bad, so that he elevated himself a little bit.

Speaker 1: 1:49:33

And what age would you say? It seems like for that, Like like take, take what age they were. But what's the behavior of that age? What do you think? Is that like middle school, high school, Like what's the age?

Speaker 2: 1:49:44

Yeah, that's definitely middle school.

Speaker 1: 1:49:45

Middle school Again, when we talked about like not all boys will grow to be men. Yeah. Well, it seems like he got stunted for some reason in that age range or something happening where he just never broke out of middle school mentality. He's still in take mode, which is boys, not give mode, which is men.

Speaker 2: 1:50:05

Very true.

Speaker 1: 1:50:06

And so here he was. He's like what can I get? What can I get? Now he's still going. Let's party, let's get drunk, let's make fun of people and put them down, let's be ridiculous and silly. What can I get from this? He's probably out trying to fuck all the time. Get, get, take, take, take, conquest, conquest. What's for me, what's for me, without any thought of what can I give, how can I serve, how can I build, how can I support? Yeah, very much boys and men.

Speaker 1: 1:50:31

So that guy. Well, I'm only friends with men slash warriors. These are people who will fight for what they believe is right. They're pack leaders. They do the right thing Even when no one is looking. These are my guys, and if you're not one of those, I can accept where you're at, but you're just not one of my guys. Yeah. I'm not even mad at them, it's just, you're just not one of my guys, and that's okay. Yeah, go ahead and be 14 forever. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:51:00

It's definitely made my life. I've made a lot of great changes since figuring that out the last year, and so I'm very kind of.

Speaker 1: 1:51:10

You did this the last year. You just figured this shit out.

Speaker 2: 1:51:13

Yeah, well, with this group of friends, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:51:16

Hey, that's good awareness, Michael. You've been leveling up bro.

Speaker 2: 1:51:19

Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of twofold because one two of the I used to hang out with three guys two of the three guys and then one new guy. But two of the three guys were when I just started going out again, like four years after marriage met them and so hindsight I gained a lot of confidence because they let me be who I wanted to be. You know it's a fun phase drinking, having a good time, picking up girls, whatever. So I got a lot of confidence from the one guy but, you know, as I grew, he didn't, and he's still in the same spot.

Speaker 2: 1:52:03

And then, like I said, like about a year and a half ago, I was just tired. You know, I was tired of getting cracked on a lot because they went. One of them that I've learned got a lot of confidence from. He always had to beat a big dog in the group, whatever, in front of the show off, whatever. And now that I've came into my own and have my own confidence, I feel like he might've been a little threatened by that, which he shouldn't. He should be thankful that he taught me to be, you know, more confident. And then the other guy is just his little puppet. His puppet that does whatever he says and he's the one that always cracks on me. But I realized that's just not the life that I need and since getting rid of that like you know, my business is a sword I drink a whole lot less. I don't go out to get drunk, I go out to drink. Just a lot of positive things in my life once I got rid of the negativity that I had.

Speaker 1: 1:53:08

Yeah, we reveal ourselves to each other. The circumstances do not define you. They reveal you to yourself, too. And so here you are now, finding you in the middle of all these things when you're doing well. I always want you to do better, Michael, just not better than me. Yeah, that's how he was. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I always want you to do better, just not better than me. And if you start doing better than me, I have to knock you down to the level I believe you're allowed to be, or what you should be.

Speaker 2: 1:53:38

Right.

Speaker 1: 1:53:39

Yeah, it's a tough game, man. You're in a tough world on this one, so it's good for you to have the awareness of going like oh, wait a second, wait a second. I think I see you for you. Yeah. And I don't think that I'm gonna stick around for that, because this seems to be very counterproductive to my growth. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:53:57

And my own authenticity. Well done, well done on you, man. Like it's good to see those things, because it's hard for you to be able to stay in your authenticity with people who hate you for being it. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:54:10

You're right, let's do a cool thing here. You talk about confidence a lot. Can you please like, because I do a training on confidence, but I always love to hear other people's training on confidence. If I was like Michael, I see what you're doing, man, and I want it. What do I need to do? What is your advice for me to find my confidence? What would your advice for a young guy or a guy who's struggling with confidence? What are some pieces that you've applied to your life to make it so you have this freedom to be you?

Speaker 2: 1:54:44

You know I was afraid that you were asking me this because, honestly, it's like a ray of things, like I don't have a specific one thing. I do know that I stopped caring what others think of me. That allowed me to be more who I am. I was surrounded by, like I said in the beginning stages, these group of guys that let me be who I wanted to be and I was able to learn from each of them. They all had different personalities, like when we'd go out, we'd drink, we all liked different types of women, so we really didn't fight much about like who we were trying to meet or whatever, and I don't know. It's like just having a couple core friendships that are real with you and let you be who you wanna be. I think helps and just letting go of what people's opinions are of you or how you are. You know people try to tell me I shouldn't have earrings at my age. Don't care, it makes me feel good. I feel I look good. I like how it looks on me, it's my style, it is what it is.

Speaker 2: 1:56:07

I do get up and I try to. I would get up and try to focus on things that I liked about myself, positive things, and they didn't have to be big things, but just little things that I liked about who I was and how I was, and whether it was features or how I looked or just my personality. I would build on those small things and just be happy and content with those things and when I felt confident and I told myself about those things, like each month or whatever, I could find new things that I was more happy about who I was. So I'm not the biggest eloquent speaker, but yeah, that's basically it.

Speaker 1: 1:57:00

I think it's useful, go ahead.

Speaker 2: 1:57:03

As I find like the color shirts that I like to wear and they look good on me and the style and the earrings. And I used to have real short hair and I shaved it because I was partially bald in spots and then I'd have girls comment about my beard and don't dye it, don't dye it. And so I got confident in that. So it's just a little-.

Speaker 1: 1:57:29

It's tricky because a lot of the things that are coming from outside validation can be reassuring but can also complicate, because it's easy for you to start conforming because other people are telling you they like it too. Yeah. And there's a slippery slope on this one for confidence versus conformity. It's tricky and so, like what? If you're like, ah, this beard is really not my thing, and everyone keeps going I love the beard, I love the beard. You're like it's not my thing, but people keep liking it, so fuck. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:57:59

You know, yeah, yeah, it's a tough game for, like, am I really conforming or am I really being authentic? Yeah, and you got some good points. I got a couple of points I took out of it. Don't care about what others say or think, which is tricky because some people are telling you what they like and those matter, but it's like, don't care so much about the ones that you don't like. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:58:20

We'll see. Here's something that people forget. You is good, just leave it there. You, that's good. I think people fuck that up all the time. Such a simple thing. Hey, did you know that you are good Like it's good being you, that's awesome. Yeah, how many you like Michael Barton? That is you. How many of you do you think there was in history Like ever One? Well, it was just you, right.

Speaker 1: 1:58:47

And then, after you're gone, how many exactly you will there be afterwards? None, how can this, extremely rare, this once in a lifetime thing, this one and only thing, be bad? The rarest of jewels? How can it be bad? It can't. Well, unless you compare it to something else. But if you compare a ruby to an emerald and say, like it's just not red enough, that emerald's gonna feel stupid.

Speaker 2: 1:59:15

Right.

Speaker 1: 1:59:16

But that emerald is green. It's not supposed to be red, right. So how can it be bad? Unless we create a judgment, you is already good. You're the only you that's ever been. You're the only you that'll ever be. Unless I compare it to something else, it doesn't make any fucking sense. It's bad. Well done, you is good. So I got that element Care for you. Genuinely, this is the people in your life, you surround yourself with. Pay attention to the people in your life. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:59:45

That's what you said, right? If they're not fucking in your corner or genuinely, if they're not really supporting you, that's not your people. Get different people. Right yeah, the acceptance of yourself, even if it's at the cost of people not liking it. This is a courageous, self-like, slash, self-love piece. I like my earrings Now. I have no earrings, never will have earrings. Not my style. That's your style. You like your thing, I'll rock my thing. I'll never do your style because that's not my style. That's your style. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:00:18

Which one's better Doesn't matter. They're different. That's just your style and my style. We are two different things, and that's a good thing, because you're the only one of you, I'm the only one of me. That's awesome.

Speaker 2: 2:00:28

Yeah, it would be the most boring world if everybody had earrings.

Speaker 1: 2:00:34

Maybe you would just have more eccentric earrings than other people.

Speaker 2: 2:00:39

Right, but it would be just like dating like black girls, white girls, spanish girls, thick girls, skinny girls. It would be the most boring, mundane life if everybody looked the same. You wouldn't know what you like or don't like if you didn't have options.

Speaker 1: 2:01:02

Well, you also made a point too and this is for just whatever people are out. There is when you and your guys would go out. You all liked different types of girls. My guy's the same way my girl. She's thick and I'm down with the thickness. That's my thing. If there was a hypothetical in a different universe, if we were going out as boys together and you saw that skinny little girl, I'd be like all you, bro, you're right, I'm not even in your game. Listen, I don't even want to win that one. That one's not my thing. But you see her thick friend over there. Yeah, boy, you know and like.

Speaker 1: 2:01:40

And this is where, like, the competition for whatever it is, it's not the same. We all like different things, we have different attractions and different things we enjoy. You know, and I'm right there with you. Look, I got all these white streaks and shit. I give no fucking fucks, but I get compliments for the no fucks given, right, I'm like, I'm just tactical with the fucks I give out. I don't give them to everybody, Right? But I also like. We have our teenage girls here. One of them wanted to dye her hair real dark and they did the spray stuff on my beard. I will never dye this bitch. No, it looked like I put one of those fake beards on with the ear things. It looked like I had a fake beard. I'm like I will never dye it. It's going white only and I don't care, right, exactly. So that acceptance of yourself piece is something that I think people really struggle with Is to be able to have the courage to accept your own authenticity, even if others will not.

Speaker 2: 2:02:35

Yeah, big struggle for everybody.

Speaker 1: 2:02:38

Well, if they don't check in to know thyself, if they don't challenge to know who am I really? So that way, if I say nine feet tall, two feet tall or whatever, it doesn't apply to me, get out of here. Right, you can't hurt me with that. Yeah, like that you said. Here's something I brought up too, where you started saying things to start actually just liking you the clothes that you find, the colors that were your things, the things that like, actually you know what I fucking like, that I dig that.

Speaker 1: 2:03:02

This is almost a version of where I talk to people about like, love yourself. I'm like I think you missed some phases, because you don't just start off with the first date going hi, mike, good to meet you, love you for who you are. You go, let's start with like and then we'll start to really enjoy, and then we'll go into crushing, and then we'll go into hanging out more and super like or whatever you call it, and then you fall in love. There's a surrender element. Well, start dating yourself. Do you like hanging out with you? Do you have a crush on yourself? Like, I love being with me, I love the time I have with myself, and do you look in the mirror and go proud of you, love you, excited about you. You're awesome. You have to fall in love with yourself and if you're not doing those phases and you don't even like yourself what an audacity you have to expect others to do something for you that you cannot do yourself. Yeah, you should love me, but I won't be able to do it.

Speaker 2: 2:03:56

Yeah, no, you're right. I mean that's the huge thing and that's confidence. And then a lot of times I get men on their boys, I should say, and they're like, oh, you're just in love with yourself. I'm like, yes, I am.

Speaker 1: 2:04:12

Took me a long time to be and I fucking am proud and I'm honored to be me.

Speaker 2: 2:04:17

Yeah. Hell yeah, I love myself, because I can't expect someone else to love me if I can't love myself.

Speaker 1: 2:04:23

Boom In your face. Boys. The men were like, yeah, yeah, my dude, don't get it. Boys don't get it. Boys don't get it. I don't care what your license says, your age is, boys, don't get it. All right. And then you said that's the element to be proud of yourself. And this is another piece. I like your definition here. Mine is different, but I like this. I like this Be proud of yourself like you accept you care, be around people who care about you generally, don't care about the opinions of people who don't, and you is good.

Speaker 1: 2:04:59

I did a training for a company yesterday, a big company training yesterday and we got into this conversation and it got into worthiness, like your worth, like where's your worth come from. If you're going to be running your business, you're going to be being you like well, what makes you worth anything? And if we're looking at the validation of others and you look at the way people judge you or other opinions of you, it starts to alter what you think your worth was, and this happened to you. It broke your spirit. Your worth was low because somebody treated you without worth and it hurts.

Speaker 1: 2:05:32

But then you started to change yourself to be what you thought they wanted you to be, and this is where I start telling people the same thing that you're telling them, and I'm aligned with you on this one. This is a belief system in yourself, and your authenticity is worth more than their conformity, and I don't think people will understand what I just said, maybe for a couple of years. Your authenticity is worth more than their conformity, you being what you think they want you to be, at the cost of who you are. It's expensive. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:06:08

But the authenticity of what you really are worth has a higher value than trying to pretend to be what you think other people think you should be or, even more directly, what they say you're allowed to be. Yeah. If you understood what I just said, that should have punched you in the soul. And you've had to go on this journey which is why I can recognize you as a warrior that you had to fight through your own stuff to find you. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:06:40

You had to go through the loss. You had to go through the battles. You had to fight through alcohol. You had to fight through these judgments. You had to fight through shame. You had to fight through guilt. You had to fight through to go. You know what I actually do love me. You had to carry the burdens of your son. You had to carry the burdens of loss without empathy, without compassion, without understanding, and you had to carry it all through your own fucking darkness while you sort your shit out and somehow, through all of that, you have found you and have found yourself happy and proud and honored and authentic.

Speaker 1: 2:07:14

I salute you as a warrior, Michael, Well done brother, thank you, thank you. And some bad-ass shit. Man, Very, very, very cool. We got work couple hours in, man. That flew by, didn't it. Yeah, it did. Pretty fun. It's good, dude. I have to get some food in me, so I'm going to call it. But it's an honor to hang with you, man, very, very cool.

Speaker 2: 2:07:35

Yeah, man, it's very cool. I like how you wrapped it all up and that was deep.

Speaker 1: 2:07:43

You see what we do. We got a lot more in the future. Reach out, let's hang sometime too. I'll make sure that we stay in touch, and we got some cool things to do in the future. What is your wish? All right, you got one wish. I'm your genie. What do you want your wish to be before you bounce out of here? Are we doing the 420 wish?

Speaker 2: 2:08:02

Yeah, I actually would like to get the 420 by 420.

Speaker 1: 2:08:07

So we'll also listen If there's any of us out there. Check out Michael Stuff. His message does seem to be pure. In the intent to try to build your confidence and authenticity, support the guy, go, hit freaking, follow on his TikTok page and help him get his 420, 420,000 followers by 420. Listen, you'll be passing me. I'm at like 340. I don't even think.

Speaker 2: 2:08:32

Quick question how many do you? I get two new fake accounts pop up every day as being me and it's driving me insane because I can't have to tell women who send me messages. I thought we were together and I'm like I've never talked to you. These people are taking my pictures, my name, getting it close to it, then hitting these girls up, asking them for money, saying that they love them, and they keep falling for it. But that's not my fault.

Speaker 1: 2:09:03

Oh no, no, it's just ladies, watch out there. I mean this happens on both sides, because I get both. Andrew and I will be sitting next to each other and we'll both get a message from some bullshit. We're like, listen, there's a lot of scams going out there. The suggestion would be to you and all of our people If somebody like you or me is like, hey, glad to see you, I love you, send me money. That's not us. Right right.

Speaker 1: 2:09:27

Also video chat us. If we're trying to get some money, Go ahead and hit video chat. Yeah. See if it's really us, because we're video chatting right now. That means we know how to do it Right. So whatever excuse comes up to say I can't right now, that's not us.

Speaker 2: 2:09:47

Yeah, crazy. But, thank you for the opportunity to talk.

Speaker 1: 2:09:51

Yeah, always an honor, brother. I appreciate you so much. Best of luck to you in the future and I'm looking forward to maybe having some more time doing some more cool stuff together. We'll jump on some lives too. Feel free to jump in with us live. We go live on Wednesday night. We do Warrior Wednesday before we go on date night. So if you ever see us on, just hit the button, man and I'll jump in with us and we can do a live together All right man.

Speaker 2: 2:10:13

Have a good day.

Speaker 1: 2:10:13

You too.