122. Revolutionizing Personal Health with Dr. Ben Galyardt: Uncovering the 'Why' Behind Illness

When my mother's health transformed before my eyes, thanks to functional medicine, it sparked a fire in me to seek the hidden 'why' in every illness. That journey brings us to today's episode with Dr. Ben Galeard, whose insights into personalized health are nothing short of revolutionary. He takes us through the intricate web of blood sugar regulation, testosterone levels, and how the one-size-fits-all narrative in diet and health is failing us. Prepare to have your perspective challenged as we examine the impact of our daily choices and the pivotal role of belief systems in shaping our health destinies.

Have you ever considered how a diagnosis can shape your identity, or even act as a curse? We grapple with the power of language in our health journeys and how breaking free from labels like Hashimoto's or MS can open up a new chapter of empowerment. Dr. Galeard's compelling patient stories complement our discussion on the body's self-healing potential, reminding us that our systems are complex networks rather than isolated issues to be medicated away. It's a conversation that will inspire you to take control of your health narrative and embrace the possibility of transformation.

The episode rounds out with a candid exploration into the broader societal health trends and the implications of AI and declining birth rates on human connection and resilience. We leave no stone unturned, from the importance of addressing grief and addiction to the profound influence of daily habits on our long-term well-being. As Dr. Ben Galeard from F8 Well Centers shares his wealth of knowledge and resources, we invite you to join us in redefining what it means to live a truly healthy life, both individually and as a society.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:10

Welcome back, warriors, to the battlefield of the mind. This is Rick, and I'm here today with Dr Ben. It's Galeard, right? I just want to make sure I'm terrible with my own last name and everyone else's but. Dr Ben, I've been watching a lot of your stuff and the thing that I enjoy is that you are not afraid to do what is right in the face of People arguing who is right, and if you don't know who Dr Ben is, nobody can introduce Better than you can. Please let people know who you are, and then let's get into some ass-kick in.

Speaker 2: 0:40

Yeah, absolutely so. I've been in the in the functional medicine space for 25 years, basically trying to uncover the root cause of why somebody has whatever health issue. They have going on started way back For me in high school. My mom got diagnosed with MS, collapsed at one of my football games. Nobody knew what was going on. So she went down the whole path of getting diagnosed with MS and they said okay, here you go, here's your drugs, go on disability, you're probably gonna need a wheelchair and that's your life. Then you're gonna die and it's like well, that stinks.

Speaker 2: 1:18

You know, I used to run with my mom. She was super active. We hiked, we backpacked all this stuff and like I, I don't think that's the way she wants to go out. And so, fortunately, her and my dad my dad retired, they moved down to this tiny town in the middle Nowhere in Missouri and found a doctor that was doing functional medicine type work, even before it was called functional medicine and he started going through you know, like we were just talking about Rick the why why would somebody's body attack its own own tissue? Why would you get autoimmune? And so they started working through gut and brain and blood sugar and all these things to the point when she got off all of her drugs. She gave away her wheelchair, gave away her cane. She's from the time of this recording. Four days from now she's gonna turn 81 years old and she no longer has MS.

Speaker 2: 2:06

Her last MRI had no more plucking and and she healed from MS, and so that got me thinking like holy cow, if you can heal from MS, what else can the body do? And when we're thinking about Just overall the thought process of what healing really is, it's not just about taking some magic herb or drug or whatever, but it's about uncovering the reasons why we need that healing in the first place, whether it's in our in our brain you know a lot of people Need, need that support there as well but then it can come down to each one of the systems that can be thrown out of balance, that can drive that body into into this just Havoc, and and that that's what I love getting that we've been doing this for 25 years. F8 will centers, comm is our website. We love getting to the root cause of when this happens and I think even since COVID, you know, it's opened a lot of people's eyes that like, hey, you know something isn't right, it's not just oh, take your shot, take your pills, you know, go on a ventilator, you know, but who was getting sick?

Speaker 2: 3:11

It was the people with high blood pressure and with diabetes and that were overweight, and you know it was all that stuff. And yet you know, oh, no, that's not, that's not what it is, it's just anybody. And it's like no, if you are ill, you are more likely to die from other things or get other things, and and it really opened a lot of people's eyes. So, yeah, just just love, love what I do as much today as I did 25 years ago and and hopefully, 25 years from now, I'm still gonna be fighting the good fight.

Speaker 1: 3:39

I Found the same answer, so I'm gonna try to make it so I don't lean into my expertise as much, because I want to hear yours very much. Yeah, and so the mind, the words we use, the beliefs that we have around this. You're doing something that I very much Love, warriors, to do. It's part of our creed for what we do, which the last one is challenge Everything, especially your gurus, especially your doctor, especially your psychologist. Challenge the shit out of us for competency, not for credential like. Do you actually know what you're doing? Not, did you just have a title about it?

Speaker 1: 4:15

And that's what I like about you is you're like no, no, please come and see that we do it and I'm gonna find your why, because the why is more important than the symptom, and people want to go here's a pill for your ill. But you're like well, why are you ill? Right? Like, instead of going, no, let's, let's get rid of the thing that made you feel that way. And I love that. You're challenging everything. You challenge the system, you challenge things to go, something isn't right and that's something that like. I want to keep the focus on that for a minute because I don't think people are going to understand, without judgment, that you are doing something that's necessary because you're pushing the limits of what's possible. Yeah, and that's awesome, like, and so I just want to keep praising you for that for a little bit.

Speaker 1: 4:59

Absolutely, when it comes to some of these things, I want to grab up some of the stuff that's like the, the stuff that breaks the rules here, and, like I said, I've done this with anxiety. We've beaten anxiety, ptsd, depression, you know, addiction, suicide. Our group is beating these things to where guys no longer need to be in any medication for any of these. And you just said, with your mom, you were able to stop them as, or even you mentioned multiple times Autoimmune diseases. Things are like wait a second, your body is Capable of way more than people are trying to give you credit for, absolutely. And so, before I get into the belief systems around it, can you start to change or challenge some of the things that you know are the problems with today's Education or teaching around these topics?

Speaker 2: 5:49

Yeah, so yeah, we're on. We're on tiktok, instagram, facebook, everything, and and we get, we get feedback all the time, you know, not just from our patients, but from just the masses. And you know, that's the beautiful part with social media in today's day and age is, you know it, we're able to hit so many, many people and hear so many stories, and we hear it over and over that, okay, your a&a was high, which is telling us about autoimmune, but most doctors are like it's not bad enough yet, you don't have enough symptoms. So wait, let's check it again next year. Let your body Destroy more tissue until you have enough symptoms, then we will give you a drug for that. And and you know, to the rational mind, that just does not make sense at all. And you're like, why would I let my body destroy more tissue? If I could have got a hold of my mom five years before she got diagnosed with MS, and and and stopped that process, slowed it down, whatever, and and not, and, she wouldn't have to go on disability, she wouldn't have had to do all those things, you could have kept teaching and, you know, doing the great work that she did. I mean that that would have been amazing.

Speaker 2: 7:00

And yet the the thought process now, and and patients, all the time they go and they ask their doctors Okay, I've got Hashimoto's, I've got Crohn's disease, I've got gastroparesis, and I'm throwing up every what can I do? Is there anything that I'm eating? Is there anything that I'm that I'm thinking anything, anything? And they're like no, it's just kind of, it's just kind of a thing, you know. So just take this pill and and good luck. And you're like Come on, dude, you know, you, there has to be things that are affecting it and causing it. And wouldn't it make sense, if something is causing it, that if you reverse that, if you stop that, that it should at least slow it down, if not even even stop the whole disease process? So that that's my philosophy is, if there are things that are causing you know it's just basic physics, you know cause and effect you know it's just silly for them to say, no, none of that affects anything.

Speaker 1: 7:55

Yeah, it's powerful man, it's. It's same thing in the psych world man, this that the more worried about, like you said, get more symptoms and then I'll give you some drugs and you go, wait a second. You know what? Where did the symptoms come from? What are the like? You're not wrong, you said the rational mind.

Speaker 1: 8:13

Let's go into like doing some stuff because you talk about I wish I could have been more preventative instead of reactive. Let's talk about some of the things that you really believe need to be out there, like people need to know shit and they're not getting enough of it, and so, in which case, like well, what do I need to start doing them? Like, let's say, the cleansing element people need to clean their body out. I was just talking with dr Lodi. I don't know if you know dr Lodi, but he's really big and like you got to clean yourself out and he goes right after cancer and all the ones are like no, no, your body can cure it, you just have to clean your body out. Sure is your opinion on cleansing or the healthy sleep or the parts of like guys Start here.

Speaker 2: 8:52

Yeah, so here here I'm kind of known as, as the the blood sugar doc, and yeah, we were the first office in the US to start having every single patient fingerprint glucose monitor, where they were pre-diabetic, diabetic Didn't matter, you know, we were doing it on on kids and checking to see what that blood sugar six to eight times a day, and that was probably ten years ago, about four years ago. We were able to get continuous glucose monitors. We were the first office in the US to use CGM's on every single patient, every man, woman and child, and With that we're able to see 24 7 where the blood sugar is. And it used to just be for type 1 Diabetics, insulin dependent. You have your pump and you're gonna, you know, get your insulin. But we have found and I've written books on it masterclasses. You know everything I can do to get this information out there. If we could stabilize Everybody's blood sugar 85 to 110 every single day we could prevent or reverse upwards of 90% of chronic health conditions.

Speaker 1: 9:58

That one, that one thing we could take 90% of chronic Conditions out if we can get the blood sugar between 85 and 110 that.

Speaker 2: 10:07

I am convinced of that. And how do I know that? Because 25 years of working with patients that have gotten their blood sugar stabilized, that have reversed Chronic conditions, that have slowed down their, their neuro degeneration and their Alzheimer's and their cancers and their and they're not just diabetes states but autoimmune and all of these different things. It is such a crucial, crucial part of it it's basically the foundation of of all of our work with with people is to get that, get that blood sugar stabilized first, and then we move on to the next step and the next step in the next step.

Speaker 1: 10:43

I want to do it. I want to do it. How do I get my? What do I? Where do I start? Doc, you're my expert. I need, yeah, I start yeah, absolutely the easy part.

Speaker 2: 10:52

It used to be that One CGMs used to be like four thousand dollars a month. Now they're in a in an accessible range. We used to only be able to get them in three months supply. Now we're able to get them one sensor at a time. It's a little patch, goes on the back of the arm 14 days. It goes Bluetooth straight over to your phone.

Speaker 2: 11:09

You get to see exactly what that blood sugar is doing all day long. It shoots it over every every three to five minutes and you can go okay, I just ate this one meal and we don't want it over 110, and I hit 160. Okay for one, this is what 160 feels like and I'm like, oh, I'm a little tired and like, hey, you know, you're always talking about the warrior and the. You know and I'm ready to take on the day and all that. If your blood sugar Spikes, you're not ready to take on your day. If your blood sugar crashes down, you're not ready to take on the day. You're going hypoglycemic, you're getting tired and spacey and angry and get this.

Speaker 2: 11:47

So many guys are thinking about their testosterone. Now what your doctor is not telling you about your low T is that the vast majority of low T is because of Insulin resistance, because of your blood sugar issues, and that's driving the testosterone to convert into estrogen. And so if you're, if you're on testosterone pellet cream, injection, whatever they almost always give you an estrogen blocker because they know that that testosterone, you're raising your testosterone but you're going more into estrogen. So then you start getting man boobs and you start, you know, getting, getting. You know you're like, oh, lazy, and sitting on the couch or playing video games, and you know, here's that. Here's the crazy part. I see we run testosterone on every one of our patients. I see Teens and 20-some year olds having lower testosterone than 40 and 50 year olds. It's going lower and lower, generation by generation.

Speaker 2: 12:41

So our kids, we complain as us old guys, right, we're like, oh, the kids these days, you know, and you're like, well, it's not just, they don't want to work, but get this for for males, males right now in the united states, 25% in their in their 20s, 20 to 30, 25% are not working at all. They haven't worked in 12 months. And we're like, oh, they're just lazy, they just wanna play video. They're testosterone's 300, 400, 250. It's dropped, they don't have the motivation. And that comes back to this blood sugar issue, this insulin resistance driving that testosterone into estrogen. Then you're having these hot flashes. Guys can even have hot flashes. They get man boobs. You walk down the beach nowadays and you see most 20 year olds with big man boobs and you're like holy cow. What is happening to the manhood in this country? And a lot of it can go back to what we're putting in our bodies.

Speaker 1: 14:39

So the blood sugar thing, like you're right, I've got the other side to what's going on with, like the psych behind. You know, even if we can go a lot of different directions with that, absolutely. But there's a lot of things happening, even if there's a lot of studies that you keep going back to, people who are pretty much psychics in the science world, like Dr Calhoun with the universe 25 experiment with the mice, like once. We have not enough productive roles and we have too many people like you just start watching the population, start to just truly suffer. And so now you're seeing guys, like you said, there's 25% of guys who are not working, not interested in dating, not trying to start a family, have no purpose or there's no need to do anything because everything's in the air.

Speaker 2: 15:26

And then suicide, and that you know it's rampant 35,000 males a year are committing suicide. And it's not just PTSD, war veterans, it's 20 year old kids, 25 year old kids that are lost and hopeless. And so, yes, there is that part of it where you know you've got guys or women under 30, if they're gonna have a baby in today's day and age, over half of them are single parents, you know. So there's no father figure. So you've got all those things. And yet you know what's the solution to these? Well, give them psych meds. Or obviously, do what you do with people, but that's the solution to the medical model. Give them psych meds.

Speaker 2: 16:05

But what is not being addressed is like, hey, are you going and picking up heavy weights at the gym? You know, doing deadlifts. I tell my 20 year old patients all the time I'm like, go get 20 bales of hay, put them in your backyard every morning, go move them back and forth three times, you know, from one end of the yard to the other, and we're gonna, you know, give you at least some motivation to get up, give you some testosterone to drive you and muscle contraction. That's gonna keep that blood sugar more stabilized. And you know, just get up and do work.

Speaker 1: 16:37

Like you said, even if, like they have a blood sugar spike, like if you're doing hard things, your body will go to work. Now, I think it goes into things that I also will agree, because I can go that direction for like six hours, so like I wanna keep it with like the blood sugar element of it. Well, I don't want my blood sugar spiking. Now, what are some things where you're like guys, if you're putting this shit in your body, of course you're gonna have no motivation, no inspiration. You're not gonna feel like you have any purpose or drive because you're smoked, because you ate candy bars and drank soda and like yeah, so that's the obvious stuff, right?

Speaker 2: 17:11

You know, don't have hot fudge Sundays. You know, don't eat a bowl of ice cream before bed. I mean, most people know that's not good for you. You know that's not like. Oh, you know he's just talking crazy stuff. But then we say, oh well, quinoa, that's like this, you know it's got protein, it's this better grain. I'm like almost every single person. Quinoa goes up. Brown rice, wild rice, any type of rice. We'll see people 180, 200 on that.

Speaker 2: 17:40

A lot of different fruits that we're like well, fruit's gotta be good for you. Well, individual people, it's different. Sweet potato people say, oh, sweet potatoes, great, you know it's better than white potato. I'm like most patients when we do white potato versus sweet potato, the sweet potato makes their blood sugar go up higher than white potato. And so you know it's not just a cut and dry. You know, eat low glycemic, eat Mediterranean, eat paleo. It is individualized to what you have going on. That's why we do the CGM and you know, I think, just like anything when you're talking about the mind, when you're talking about the body, the specifics of what you need, it's individualized, you know, and there's no one size fits all for everything.

Speaker 1: 18:28

I actually really appreciate that too, because, like, while the principles may be the same, each person responds differently to them. We have different personality types, or different body types or different needs, and so you're not wrong, and it's difficult for people who are like. So what do I do? Well, get somebody who can guide you the right way, because how many wrong ways are there to do it?

Speaker 2: 18:49

Yeah, you know there's a lot. You know vegan, vegetarian, paleo, you can do. You know carnivore, where you just eat nothing but meat, and in any of these things you know if it's not right for your body, it's not right. I don't care what the research shows, I don't care what your body did, you know. Oh, I went, I did intermittent fasting and I lost 30 pounds and I feel great. I'm like, well, that might be okay for him, that might not be okay for you. So what does your body need? What are your adrenals doing? Have you been stressed out for all these years? And then if you do more fasting, you know that may actually put more stress on your adrenals and that's not great at this point. So you know, oh, but cold plunges everybody says cold plunges are good. Well, for some, but not for everybody. And you definitely don't wanna do it before bed, and there's right times and wrong times to do it.

Speaker 1: 19:43

So yeah, there's a lot of training that needs to go out there for like both sides of this, and I think it goes into like you have to rewire the beliefs. I got something, and this is one that's come up often when it comes to the sicknesses and the people have what's your take? Are you being blood sugar doc? What's your take on like everyone's got parasites? That's come up a few times with doctors.

Speaker 2: 20:07

Yeah, here's what we look at. Does everyone have parasites? Probably a lot. I mean, I've eaten some sushi over the years. I probably have parasites. I had a patient she's up here in Colorado and she went down to Texas about six months ago, aided a couple of restaurants and came back and on the way home had to stop like 10 times at the bathroom and, you know, definitely got some bad stuff down there. So parasites are a thing. Can we get people better and, you know, help them reverse their Hashimoto's and MS and rheumatoid arthritis and gut issues and fatigue and weight, and all that without specifically addressing parasites, absolutely. So I think parasites are a thing and for some people it is a big part of the thing, but it's not everybody's thing.

Speaker 1: 21:00

Gotcha. So would this also be included in part of like the clean yourself out? This is kind of where I was going with it. It's like we got to clean ourselves out. So I'm just trying to combine as many of like my holistic doctors as I can. Absolutely, they can clean you out.

Speaker 2: 21:14

Yeah, absolutely, and so the majority of people. What I do know they have, and it is affecting them is their microbiome is out of balance. Microbiome is that whole universe in our gut, the microbiome. There's more organisms in our gut that are not self than we have cells in our body. So what does that mean? Well, we've got a lot of brain cells, we've got a lot of skin cells, we've got a lot of different cells around the body, and yet there's more non-self bacteria, yeast, parasites, all types of stuff in our gut. It's literally a universe in our gut that is symbiotic with our brain, symbiotic with our immune system, with our fat soluble vitamins, all types of different things. And, yes, that can be affected and it can be parasites, it can be bad bacteria.

Speaker 2: 22:06

If you've been on more than, let's say, two or three rounds of antibiotics ever in your life, your microbiome will never be the same. Really, how does that work? So the antibiotics when we were kids it was like man throw antibiotics left and right. I was just talking to a lady. She's in her late 50s and she's like I remember having this pink bottle in our fridge and they would just I'd get tonsil issues and they just keep giving me bottles full of this antibiotic. At least in today's day and age it's a little more discretion on the antibiotics, but it's still thrown around like crazy.

Speaker 2: 22:42

So those don't just kill off bad bacteria, they're knocking down the good bacteria as well in your gut, in your microbiome, and so then it allows the bad stuff to proliferate. So then you get all types of gut disturbance. You get gas, bloating and digestion, heartburn, reflux, leaky gut, all types of different things. And so when we come in, yes, you need to take probiotics, but every single time we start with kill off first. And maybe when we start doing kill off oil, oregano, and there's garlic and there's wormwood and a bunch of different things that can hit some parasites as well. So we don't need to specifically just do parasite cleanses, but we are working on kill off in the microbiome and that is very important.

Speaker 1: 23:32

So so if your microbiome is wrong and the antibiotics are doing stuff, do we have to add probiotics or what do we need to add?

Speaker 2: 23:42

Yeah. So if you are on an antibiotic, if you're taking antibiotic, absolutely, I always say I would do three times. So if you're on a seven day antibiotic, at least do 21 days of probiotics after that. But most people are gonna do better just taking probiotics.

Speaker 2: 24:00

The thing I recommend with probiotics is to rotate them, so don't just do the same bottle again and again. You wanna do different strains, different types? I'm back. So that can definitely. That can definitely, you know, replace the good bacteria, but you need to have a good variety in there as well. If somebody has major gut issues, we've got to actually start with kill off first and then come in with probiotics. I look at it like this so if your bad stuff is up this high and your good stuff is down here, we can take good stuff. But we've got to kill off and knock down bad stuff and then bring in the probiotics, bring in the good bacteria, because it's not going to proliferate like it needs to if that microbiome is filled with bad stuff. So it's definitely important to work on. If you've been on many, many rounds of antibiotics over your lifetime, probiotics is almost like a multivitamin for you. You should probably be taking someone on a regular basis. You can do kimchi, you can do sauerkraut, kombucha, different fermented vegetables. Fermented foods can be helpful as well.

Speaker 1: 25:22

Jesus, all right, so we have a lot of things going on. We're like, man, we've been messing this up, doing what they told us to do, right, yeah?

Speaker 2: 25:30

Well, in the psych world, you know we talk about it all the time it's the gut-brain connection, and the more antibiotics somebody's on, the more likely they're going to be to have depression, have anxiety. It just naturally goes in line. We've got more serotonin receptors in our gut than we have in our brain, so that microbiome has to be working like it was designed to. Unfortunately, if you've been on a lot of antibiotics, it's never going to be there, so you're going to have to support it and work on it and nurture it, just because that's how you've been.

Speaker 2: 26:08

If you were a C-section baby, get this when that head goes through the birth canal, there is no microbiome. When a baby's inside mom, there's no bacteria in the gut at all. So as they go through that birth canal they're actually bringing in mom's bacteria and different ones that are going to come and start proliferating in their gut. But if you just cut open the belly and pull the baby out, there's no microbiome that starts in there. So then they're just kind of exposed to whatever they're getting, and especially if they're not nursing them directly on there. So if you didn't nurse much, if you were a C-section baby, your guts messed up as well and I wouldn't be surprised. I've never seen research on it. But is there more depression? Is there more PTSD? Is there more ADD on those people? My guess is yes.

Speaker 1: 26:58

Yeah, I don't think there's been a study on that one. I'd love to see it too, because I didn't know that for the microbiomes. That's interesting, but you're not wrong with a lot of the things that people are also put on for the beliefs and the things that they're put into. How much do you have to fight against a diagnosis? And so somebody gave a diagnosis, or somebody mentioned a WebMD somebody, and they said you have this, or you have this, or you have this. And then they're like now you have to almost reprogram their belief around, like no, that's beatable. Like it says here, it's forever, and I am now that you know. How often do you have to fight that?

Speaker 2: 27:41

It's interesting. I see it both ways. I see, yes, okay, you've got fibromyalgia, you've got you know, crohn's, you got whatever. It is Okay, so now you've got that label.

Speaker 2: 27:52

I've seen it this other way too, where people are fighting and they're like, obsessing about what is it. You know, so many people come to us and like, I know I've got something wrong and I know I've got you know some, some type of autoimmune, my ANA is high, I've got some different things going on, and so then they go and and they go to another specialist and another specialist and another specialist and and they're like, okay, well, we don't know what it is yet, and they're obsessing about the wrong thing. So, whether you have a label, whether you're trying to find a label, you can't obsess about the what, and that's the what. What is it? You have to obsess about the why. Why is my body going haywire? Why do I have low T? Why is my digestion off? Why do I have an autoimmune disease? Why is my thyroid hormone levels out of balance? Why, why, why. That's what you need. You know.

Speaker 2: 28:51

Always tell people if you're going to stay up at night and like googling and searching things, search for the why's, don't search for the what and like. You know what. And here's the other what that I don't like. What do I take for X? You know what herb do I take for depression? What herb do I take to bring up my testosterone? It's like no obsess about the why. Why is my testosterone low? Why do I have depression? Why am I sick? Why is my gut like this? Obsess about the why? If you're going to obsess, I agree very much.

Speaker 1: 29:27

And the why is being like missed because your body is doing something it's supposed to do and it's adapting to something you're doing to it right, like there's something happening and your body is is very, very advanced. And this is something I've also seen, like with multiple interviews. Like this, we're like no, we're noticing. If you do a thing, your body's trying to correct it, right, and you know you ate you pretty much just ate plastic at this point. So, like we're like your body's trying to compensate for you just drank this, ate that did something with this, or you're around this or exposed to this, and your body's trying to figure that out, right, and your body's doing something. It could be right, whether it be like, like you said, with the different blood sugar setups, or it could be something with your, you know, atp or whatever it is.

Speaker 1: 30:12

There's stuff happening and all these different chemicals are happening to try to fix whatever is going on. And you're like, well, why, instead of like well, take a drug? Like no, no, no, no, why is it doing it? So we can, we can try and stop that. Let's stop the thing.

Speaker 2: 30:28

Yeah, your body's trying to maintain homeostasis and, and it'll do that at the at the risk of affecting and harming other systems, it will. It will try to maintain that homeostasis. But, yeah, then it's just a matter of okay, these are are check engine lights and just like you know whether you're on thyroid hormone replacement or testosterone or you're taking taking another drug, you're like you would not take your your hot rod car to the, to the mechanic and go, hey, I think I got this oil leak. All right, here's this, here's this, a quart of oil. I want you to put, put a new cord in every every day and you'll be fine. You're like, well, that doesn't make sense. Why, why is my oil leaking? And that's what we're doing as, especially as guys. You know our oil is leaking.

Speaker 2: 31:20

I, yeah, I've got four boys from 12 to 19. I've got, you know, 20 team members around the world. We've got a lot of, you know a lot of things going on day in and day out, and so you know, it's, it's easy for us to get depleted, to get run down, and and that's where you know, day in and day out doing the work, day in and day out, you know having that rhythm, you know I'm sure you guys have heard you talk about you know your rhythms and your, your routines and and staying consistent and all of that you know it makes such a difference, whether that's you know, for for our, our mental state. You know I always say we create our day or our day creates us. You know. So you got it. You got to get that that rhythm going and same thing with our food, same thing with our exercise, with our, you know, prayers, our reading, our journaling, whatever, whatever you're doing, you got to got to be consistent.

Speaker 1: 32:18

Well, that goes especially for our men. To have purpose and leadership, they have to be deliberate with their routines. It's good advice and you're not wrong. There's a lot of curses getting thrown around there, especially in both of our fields. If there are some of the things that I call curses, the belief systems that get thrown around and, like I said, I just talked to a doctor recently and he calls them spells, the words that people use to go you, you are now Hashimoto's disease, you are now MS, you are now in, like you have been, because of my robe, of my white jacket robe and all of my paperwork that suggests my spells are potent, you know, and he says, like that's the spells I get put.

Speaker 1: 32:59

Their curses is what I say. People are put under you are a piece of shit, or you are a useless human, or you don't deserve love, or you aren't worthy of whatever. Like these are spells that I call curses that are put on people, and that's where I got my code name curse breakers. Like well, let's break that. Why is that there? Who's is that? Is that yours? Is it authentic? There's curses in your industry. People are putting people into a mindset that to believe that there is no cure and there is no options. And I am now this and my identity is routed in the loss of myself, because I am now MS, I am now this autoimmune disease. I am now. What curses would you if you, if I, could just break this belief around these curses and just get my message to the world? What curses are you like? This is the top of my list.

Speaker 2: 33:53

Yeah, I love it. I love it. Some of my biggest videos of, like, you know, hate and like kicking back is like fibromyalgia is not a real disease. Ibs is not a real disease. You know, these are. These are states that your body's in yes, you have pain and you have inflammation and you don't feel good, but is that fibromyalgia? Well, no, fibromyalgia is not a thing you can't do like a blood test for it and be like, oh, you got fibromyalgia. No, you got enough symptoms and now we give that to you.

Speaker 2: 34:27

So you know, my thought process on this is, you know, if everybody would truly understand that the end stage disease diagnosis, whatever that is, is not the thing. You know that. That's not the what. What do we need to treat? We need to treat that with GABA, penting, with with this Neurotin, with, you know, whatever it is. No, we need to take a step back. You are your body, you are your systems, you are what your adrenals are doing and your blood sugar and your liver detoxification pathways and do you have leaky gut? And is your microbiome okay? Where your vitamin D level is at, that is where you are. That's what's creating this outside picture of you, and so, whatever somebody wants to label you as, wants to put that spell on you, whatever it is. You know it's ultimately no, that that end stage doesn't matter, that label doesn't matter.

Speaker 2: 35:28

I always say some people are like, oh my gosh, I know I've got autoimmune, but I don't know what it is. I'm like I don't care what autoimmune condition you have. I go, okay, I'm not that much of a jerk. Of course I care, you know, and I don't care that you have an autoimmune disease. I care what your adrenals are doing.

Speaker 2: 35:45

Where's your cortisol level, you know? Is it too high? Is it too low? Is your vitamin D at 12 when we want it at 60? You know what are. What are these underlying systems, these imbalances? That is really who you are down there health-wise. That's where it's all coming from, and so I don't care what that label is. You know it's not my job to diagnose, it's not my job to fix, to heal. I can't heal anything. Your body has that healing potential inside of you. You know it's this God-given ability to the body to heal that me and my boys we hunt deer and elk and all kinds of stuff out here in Colorado and anytime you ever got a elk, yeah, no, I mean, it's like I've never got an elk before.

Speaker 2: 36:30

No, remember, in Empire Strikes Back Luke Skywalker, guts that, what was the animal?

Speaker 1: 36:38

I know you're talking about the hairy amount.

Speaker 2: 36:41

Yeah, he had to crawl in and stay warm in there. It's like that you could crawl inside of an elk. I mean it's a big, big experience. But as we do that, I sit there and I think, okay, that animal, beautiful, majestic, the picture of the Rockies, all that.

Speaker 2: 36:58

They're not dealing with depression and having to be like you know what, guys, I just can't get up and go today. They're not dealing with PMS. They're like oh my cramps, you go ahead, I'll catch up later. They're not dealing with diabetes, with any autoimmune, with glaucoma, with all of these things. They're out there, eating, running around, living the life that they're supposed to. But then you take a dog and you put a dog into our house and the stress and the food and the chemicals and everything else, for heaven. And what is that dog experiencing? Now that dog's experiencing, you know, hip replacements and it's getting thyroid issues and all these different things. And you're like man, that is weird. That is not how God intended our animals and human species and everything to function. And so you know, if we do enough of the right stuff and do less of the bad stuff, the body can do amazing things.

Speaker 1: 37:58

I've actually seen like the dogs things where people will get the emotional support dog. I saw a lady once with two dogs and so she had like, or one dog was this little dog, that was an emotional support dog. And then they had the other dog. That was the other dog's emotional support dog.

Speaker 2: 38:16

Now you're getting complicated.

Speaker 1: 38:18

You're like so that's the support dog for the support dog, so that dog can support you. What are we doing? Like this is getting silly at this point. Like it's parts where people take advantage of these systems. You're not wrong, though, and like when you beat through some of the things, like depression and anxiety I actually I love the way that you said it and, like you said some of the things you say I don't care. Well, like it's not what you mean, it doesn't matter, it's not, that's not what the problem is, and so if you want to go down and we try and feed that, it matters, you're wrong.

Speaker 1: 38:50

That thing is not the way you get out of it, that's the way you get further into it, and so you're like stop, stop, stop. It's not that I don't care about you, I just don't care about going the direction that makes you sicker, and that's where people have the beliefs. When you say fibromyalgia, you're like it's not real. You're like it's not a real thing that doesn't exist. Your body is doing something that you can counteract, and I say the same thing, too, with anxiety. It's not real. Oh, anxiety is fucking real, and I'm like I'll show you how you beat it and then, once you understand how the core of it works, you realize that you have a superpower.

Speaker 1: 39:27

You never trained, you didn't practice, but these elk aren't out here going what about this and what about that? What about this, what about this, what about that, what about this? They're not in the what ifs and the make believe possible futures that never, ever happen. They're in the present, going like hey, is there anything trying to eat you right now? They're like not at the moment. You're like you wanna hook up, you hungry. They're gonna be in the present of what it is, without having all of the negative self-talk or the panic about the possible futures or not being able to process that. One-time wolves chased us and I just can't get over it.

Speaker 2: 40:03

I can't let it go. Think about that PTSD. Yes, they do. I think they do remember if they hear a gunshot, start hearing gunshots around, they do start getting a little skittish. But three months from now they're not gonna be sitting there going. Oh my gosh, what if I hear a gunshot, you know, holy cow. Yeah, and so you know. And that's not to put down PTSD and to put down those patterns and things, because we do have our amygdala, we do have certain things that are going to predispose us to holding on to those. But again, in the traditional medical model that's not given a way to heal. That's not, you know. It's like, hey, take this drug, you know, and you're like holy cow, there's no amount of drugs that you can take that's gonna heal your PTSD, guaranteed. No one has ever been healed from PTSD from getting the right dosage of whatever psych med.

Speaker 1: 41:01

You're correct. I have a lot of veterans. In fact I have a group. In just a second After our call I'm on a group of the guy who runs a huge veteran organization and even some of the people I work with, a lot of my vets for PTSD.

Speaker 1: 41:14

I work more in the cognitive behavioral side but I also team up with a lot of neuro-linguistic programming guys and we've been able to beat for first responders and veterans who extreme situations their PTSD.

Speaker 1: 41:27

He's able to work through the neuro-linguistics within like one day to two days. They can reprogram the triggers and then my work makes it so it stays gone, like they can keep practicing the cognitive elements of, like I have control of this element of myself and it's working and this is making us so our guys no longer have to do, which I'm not trying to put the fight against the VA at the moment, but there are a lot of organizations that are going stop giving them drugs and we need to give them what they need, which is to get rid of these pieces we need. They need help, they need the attention, they need training to not only reactinate into society, which is difficult, but be able to say that's not. They don't call it a post-traumatic stress disorder. They just call it PTS because it's not a disorder. We can beat it and it's the same thing as what you're saying. Is it more difficult for the guys who've been extremes? Of course it's not the down play, but we see people who, like got a bad grade and call themselves having PTSD.

Speaker 2: 42:27

And we're like, yeah, I can't put you in the same category, yeah, it's getting to be over the top that every little thing can be traumatic. And you're like, well, you know, at some point it's life and we've all got life. But I love NLP. My wife been trained in that for a lot of years. We one of the first times she ever worked on me I had just got out of school and I was starting to do some workshops and some different things and I was like you know, I'd get up there and I'd stutter and I'd be so like I could not get up in front of people and talk and everything. And she did a quick anchoring on me and the rest is history. Now it's kind of what I do every day Now is what you do.

Speaker 1: 43:11

Yeah, even with the fears, because fear is one of my favorite ones to fight Fear, doubts. They're very beatable and a lot of times when people understand how to take all these books about these things and I can take it into one sentence and go use the sentence right there, and then the thing that had you paralyzed is almost silly. Yep, you know, the thing that made it so you gave up on your dream is like well, that doesn't even make sense. Now, if you say it like that, you know, and those are the same things too like you are your diagnosis Well, maybe let's check this and this. You're like I don't think that that's there. You're like, yeah, I guess it's not and you can challenge the system itself to go does it really add up? And that's why I say it's.

Speaker 1: 43:57

I see what you're doing and I think most people would start off with doing judgment instead of asking questions oh, he's just trying to do this, or he's a cuck, or he's a crazy person or whatever. What's this? And he doesn't know what he's doing. It's like, well, challenge to see first, just check it. Check and see what he's doing. Is it working or not working? Because the reason our stuff is successful is because it's successful, and the same thing with you is. The reason your stuff is successful is because it it worked. Look at my mom.

Speaker 2: 44:29

And if and if it didn't, if we weren't getting the results at this point, I would be finding something else. I would keep digging, I would keep going there. You know it's not like, oh, wow, I found the first thing that I landed on and we just, you know it doesn't really work, but we're, but we're doing it. I'm like, well, that'd be. Yeah, I always say An endocrinologist is probably about the worst job in the world, because they get all these overweight, unhappy, tired women that are on thyroid hormone replacement.

Speaker 2: 45:02

They go in there and they're like, okay, fix me, you know you're the thyroid expert.

Speaker 2: 45:06

And they go, oh, we're gonna raise your hormone, we're gonna lower your hormone, raise your hormone, lower your hormone and that and that.

Speaker 2: 45:12

That poor lady, that patient, she's like I feel like crap and you just raised my hormone a little bit and I feel no better, I feel worse, even, and like you're supposed to be this guru and that's all you did for me and and so like they must be one of the most hated Professions out there, and so like it that you know every patient I talked to, they're like, yeah, I just I've been to 400 chronologists and they all, but but that's the thing, their hormone doctors.

Speaker 2: 45:38

It's their job to raise your hormone or lower their hormone. It's not to figure out why you have an autoimmune disease, which is Hashimoto's. It's not to figure out why you're under, converting your t4 to your t3 and 60% in the liver, 20% in the gut. It's not to figure out why your pituitary is not stimulating as well as it should and that's secondary to your adrenals and secondary and then tertiary to your, to your chronic fight or flight state and your high alpha and your amygdala and all these things that are just Going and oh yeah, well, you know what? Let's give you? Give you a Xanax and that'll calm you down.

Speaker 1: 46:16

Yeah, oh, my gosh. And then then take on top of everything you just said. That's like look at all these things that are sitting right in front of you, taking account to how often you'll have people change the behavior or change Lifestyle until they feel better. You're like okay, cool, I took out the sugar and I challenge, I fix this thing. I eat these kinds of foods and now I'm cured. It's gone, I feel better than ever, and this is where I have to do the deep work. Then they go to what I call the default program, like the programming that was there before. And so now that you're cured, you like finally, now I don't have that symptom anymore, I'm feeling great. Now I can go back to doing what I used to do that created the symptoms in the first place. And then you're going okay, now I can reward myself by eating a chocolate cake or having a whole bunch of ice cream before bed now, because I I was doing good. Now, yeah.

Speaker 2: 47:16

We always say, if you do what you've always done, you're gonna get what you've always got, and and that's what it comes down to. And so you know, the good part with the physical side is that for most people, as they start feeling better and they lose weight and their guts better and their brains better and their brain fog and they're thinking clearer and their energies better, that if they eat something, if they do something, if they fall back, you know it usually hits them bam, right, right in the nose like a ton of bricks and they're like okay, that is not what I want to do. And and the nice part too, is, once you start breaking that cycle, you know the cravings for sweets starts going away. The the reasons. You know you think about alcohol. You know, I guarantee you, very few people are drinking six beers a night because they just love beer.

Speaker 1: 48:09

Right, they try to convince you. That's the answer.

Speaker 2: 48:13

Nobody, nobody likes beer after like two beers.

Speaker 1: 48:20

To chocolate every time because I love it. You're like, after the first few, that dopamine stops hitting.

Speaker 2: 48:25

It's like coffee, you know, coffee whoo that first and then, but after a while it's like it just does not taste good anymore. But they're trying to change their state. And so, you know, are you trying to calm down, are you trying to to? You know, shut off the, the voices, are you trying to to sleep better, whatever it is? And so you know, again, taking a step back from going oh, you're an alcoholic to. You know what is the reason why you are trying to trying to change your state, and that's almost everything in it, even with food, you know, we try to change our state. We celebrate with food, we're depressed and have back. You know, somebody dies away and we eat. You know it's.

Speaker 1: 49:11

Yeah, grief associated most of the things you're talking about when people are stuck in the denial phase. Yeah, and so you got denial bargaining, anger and depression or sadness, and they don't know how to work through the acceptance of what is. So they are in the war with what is. Something feels so bad I don't want to deal with it, and so they'll protect themselves by pretty much shutting down or suppressing the entire Situation. I don't want to deal with that loss. I don't want to deal with the thing that makes me feel bad. I don't want to feel hurt, I don't want to acknowledge it at all, actually. And that's where the protection system would come up that everything's fine, I'm good, suppress it down, hide it, don't talk about it. But then it leaves you feeling not good underneath and you need to get away from that. And that's where the Distractions can come in and that comes into your pleasure system.

Speaker 1: 50:01

And that's what makes it so difficult is drinking or, you know, emotional eating or prescription drugs or or pornography, or online shopping or some marijuana or marijuana or you name it Anything to get you away from feeling the thing I don't want to talk about. And so denial looks like protection and that makes it difficult to catch. And then Distractions comes in through pleasure. So it's just the backstage pass is gonna come in, and that's what I like. It's just when you have an excess because you're trying to escape, it's going to be the recipe for addiction and that leads people down that downward spiral where they stay stuck in their grieving cycle and Bounce usually between anger and sadness and or trying to bargain their way through. But they just were stuck in denial the whole time. And so, for anybody who has an addiction, whenever we've beaten it, it was because there's some core pain inside of a grief. They're denying and they're in the war with what is, and once we win that battle, the need to distract from a pain that doesn't exist goes away.

Speaker 2: 51:05

Yep, absolutely. Yeah, my one of my cousins. He's a Go for vet, ptsd, head injury, all that, all that fun stuff, and you know it's been his. His story has been okay. He, you know, used to, used to smoke, used to chew, used to you have to smoke weed. He's been alcohol-free for about 10 months now he's. You know, then we've started working on on budgeting with him and looking at and like holy cow, you just spent $35 on McDonald's door dash, you know for for a big-back meal. And then you're like, oh, that is 7-eleven. You spent $15 at 7-eleven in the middle of the night. Yeah, I mean, you know my mind gets going and those little apple pie fritter things just sound so good at that time and you're like, okay, you know you're on a budget dude, we can't just go, but but it's, it's not that the one step, it's that. You know, again, like you're saying, it's, it's that Dealing and coping and and all the other other things hit them.

Speaker 1: 52:08

The and the beliefs absorb the systems that we have that a belief around it. I had one of my worries yesterday. He's working, he's like I've been trying to quit smoking and I'm like let's go ahead and go into some of the beliefs around this, let's get in there. So, besides, like atomic habits and all the different ways that it's been beaten hardcore, like no, that's what it is. People don't understand where these beliefs are coming from. And, like you have to deal with people who the beliefs are coming from a source but they never challenge the source.

Speaker 1: 52:37

And so when it comes to quitting smoking, you know you ask people like is it hard to quit smoking? And they're like damn, it's fucking, damn near impossible to quit smoking. And I'm like, awesome, um, where did that come from? And they don't know. Like I don't know, I just think I just always heard that it was. It was hard to quit smoking. I'm like, if you understand where it came from, that belief system came from cigarette companies. Yeah, to tell people it's impossible to quit smoking Once you're addicted to it. And so you have a belief system now that quitting this is very hard. Do you know anybody who's ever cold turkeyed it?

Speaker 1: 53:13

Absolutely yeah like well, it's not impossible. They just chose I'm not doing that shit anymore and then they stopped doing it and then they don't do it. It's not impossible, unless you believe it's impossible. But if I'm Rick the smoker, quitting smoking is impossible because it's my name. It's Rick the smoker. I can't be Rick the smoker who doesn't smoke. That's not who I am, it's not my identity.

Speaker 1: 53:36

But then I started going through his budget, just like your Apple fitters and your late-night snacking, and I'm like buddy, how much are you spending on this? And he's like well, about six hundred dollars a month goes towards Wow. But I'm like didn't you just have an argument with your girl about three hundred dollars? Like she needed some money? You're like I don't have the money. I'm like if you just Put smoking for two weeks, you know what I mean. That wouldn't even be an argument. I'm like so if I give you a seventy two hundred dollar a year raise, what would you do with that money? Would you be a lot less stressed? Because you keep calling smoking stress relief? But it looks like it's causing more stress and you're literally Burning your money at this point and killing yourself and making yourself sick.

Speaker 1: 54:21

I'm like it's sick both physically and mentally and you know, in every single like emotional way is now a higher stress level, and so you're poisoning yourself. And you're poisoning yourself like here and here, and you're wondering why is where things are Struggle right now? I'm like, well, your one choice away, and even more funny for any of my smokers out there. I did this step by step. I'm like, well, let's see if it's one choice away. How many steps does it take for you to go in, get that food or go and get that stuff or get the cigarettes or whatever? I'm like, let's go through. And I went through like put your shoes on, get your keys, open the door. You go to the car, open the car door, put the keys in there. I started going through every step and there's about 50 steps to get cigarettes and I'm like, if any one of these steps gets goofed up, you don't get cigarettes, which means, if you can catch it before any one of these 50 steps are complete, you can then prevent it.

Speaker 2: 55:15

Don't put those shoes on. You're not good.

Speaker 1: 55:17

They won't let you in, didn't open the car door, or if you didn't take that right, turn into the in the parking lot, or if you didn't park there and just drove through, or if you didn't go into the store, or if you just said, you know what I'm leaving and didn't pay for it and just left. If, like you just don't do, if you don't open the pack, if you don't, if you don't pack it and then open your mouth, if you don't light it, like any of these steps, if you just don't do it, yeah, I can't do it, don't do it.

Speaker 2: 55:44

That's. That's why anytime I've helped people quit smoker over the years, when the last stages is to switch over to having them roll, roll their own cigarette and not ahead of time, you can't like do it and then pack them up in your pack. But you got. You got to sit there and you got. You know that's just a bunch more steps and halfway through it they're like this is stupid.

Speaker 1: 56:06

Becomes less worth, especially if you're out at a restaurant or something you're like I don't have time for this like it becomes really complicated. Yeah, it's, it's, it's true. And this is where, like, I'm with you on like, if we can get people to recognize some of the behaviors and the beliefs around what it is they're doing, you can also find that there are ways to defeat it. That doesn't require you taking more medication to get sicker Because we're dealing with symptoms. We can deal with core and Ask why and then see because it's not going to be necessarily a high SEO that's going to tell you where the best place to go. You're gonna have to listen to things like this and then challenge your doctors and challenge your gurus and challenge your, your experts. Challenge I'm like well, how do you do it and does it work and how has it been going and what's the percentage of success? Is without bullshit.

Speaker 1: 56:57

And there's a lot of people out there who are like well, listen, just, I'm a doctor. You find, do it your own way. And when you see your guru and this is something I want you to all listen to when you see your expert, your doctor, your guru, if you see them get defensive, this is a red flag. Well fine, do it your own self then. What do you need? I'm just a doctor. Do it your own self. You're like you got triggered, doc. Yep, you got triggered. Why did you get triggered? If you're really good at this, why did you get triggered? I shouldn't be questioned, I shouldn't. You're like why do I fucking know? Fuck you. You're like okay, all right.

Speaker 2: 57:31

Yeah, yeah, that flag goes off. I hear it from patients all the time. They go in and they start asking that why? And they're like, oh no, that's ridiculous. What you're eating doesn't matter. Or, oh, you're working with this functional medicine, doctor, oh, I can do the same thing. That's not going to work. You're just wasting your money. And I'm like in the first 30 days you're down 15 pounds, your digestion's better, you're sleeping through the night and your energy's up considerably really, and we're not going to see results. And it's just, yeah, there are anybody that gets to that point. And they're like holy cow, this person that's supposed to have my best interest at heart, and they don't want to look at me as a whole. There's something wrong there, yeah.

Speaker 1: 58:26

Yeah, and it gets socratic too If you start seeing somebody getting judgmental, shame, blame, guilt, any of those things on people. These are the things where like, oh, you're doing that, of course. Well, you know what You're the problem. Of course You're like well, hold on, doc, I'm asking to understand. It's actually ironic how much the last couple of weeks Socrates has come up, because that was like his whole thing is asking to truly understand.

Speaker 1: 58:50

And when he was like revered from the Oracle of Delphi as the wisest man in the world, he was like no the fuck, I'm not, I don't know Shit. The more I've learned, the more I know I don't know. So there's no way I'm the wisest man in the world. But being able to be inquisitive, which is the Socratic method, I'm going to be inquisitive and ask as though I know nothing. Well, that system itself was ironically, the way he became more wise is I want to know. Can you please tell me?

Speaker 1: 59:18

But also the reason he was killed? Because he went to the wrong people. And the answer is I don't know. And then he's like you showed me, I don't know how you've exposed me. Fuck you, dude. And that's where you know the wrong judgment attacked him for just going like I just want to know and like I don't know. You made me look like an idiot in front of everybody. Kill this guy for making everybody know I don't know. So we're watching doctors do this. Now we're like, yeah. They're like well, why are they doing that? Like you know what you're an idiot for asking Go, you know what. If you don't want my help, then don't.

Speaker 2: 59:51

Yeah, I mean they'll fire those patients, you know. They're like you know, oh, you're not going to take the drug I prescribe, you Don't come back here, yeah. And you're like, wow, you know, that is so narrow-minded and just this is the only. I mean, they call it practice for a reason. They go to 10 different docs, whether that's in the psych world or in the medical space, and you're going to get different opinions, different drugs, different diagnosis. You know, from each and every one of them, I mean very rarely will somebody be like yep, I went to four different doctors and they all said the exact same thing.

Speaker 1: 1:00:39

That's crazy right.

Speaker 2: 1:00:40

How many times, as a patient you know, you've seen so many. You've seen somebody and they were like oh yeah, this doctor said I was bipolar. This one said I was borderline. This one said, and you're like, are you guys just rolling the dice and seeing what shows up here? Come on.

Speaker 1: 1:01:00

Bipolar is one of the ones that the diagnosis is like this big of a range.

Speaker 2: 1:01:04

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:01:05

It's like anything from angry to sad. All right, you're bipolar, and I'm like, well, anger and sadness are both on the grieving face. And so how are they trying to grieve? It's like, well, they just do is what it is, and then suppress all the feelings down and then every six months they explode either into severe depression or a rage monster.

Speaker 1: 1:01:20

You know, like, do you think maybe we're just missing pieces of the grieving system, like we're going into denial as acceptance and then saying is what it is, instead of working through it for acceptance so they don't blow up? Is it possible? Because I've had a lot of people with BPD bipolar disorder and like, when I teach them how to do appropriate grieving, they no longer have those symptoms because they have healthy outlets and know how to work through things. And then, like you said, just clean your body out. Clean it out, like, take care of it, like don't store up all the toxins, clean that shit out, and then you'll notice that when your blood pressure is between 85 and 110, that you're going to be like I feel fucking better. It's like.

Speaker 2: 1:02:07

And here's the part. Two is that you know, I used to go to CrossFit gyms and you know the big thing. There is like, oh, the whole 30, right, you know. So people would eat like crap for six months and then the gym would go hey guys, we're going to do our whole 30, coming up here 30 days of like kind of a paleo type diet, and they're like, why haven't you just been eating well and doing all the right things for the last six months?

Speaker 2: 1:02:31

And then you wouldn't need like this huge clean out and like, oh my gosh, we got a. You know, fix all this stuff. You know, just like on the psych side, if somebody was dealing with their emotions, dealing with their grieving, you know communicating effectively with people expressing hers, whatever it was, and then it wouldn't get to the point where we're like, melt down. You're like, no, if we were doing what we need to do every single day, we wouldn't get to. And yes, you need a little support here and there, but if you do the good things over and over and over, it's way harder for bad stuff to build up and you just you're able to deal with it a little bit here, a little bit there.

Speaker 1: 1:03:06

Well, that mentality of how much I can do in a short period of time and expect big results versus what like small things over a long period of time give like really big results and like you're like well, why are we doing a 30 day thing? Why don't we just do this like this year? That's what we're doing.

Speaker 2: 1:03:22

A lifetime thing. Yeah, how long. How long you've been working out, Rick.

Speaker 1: 1:03:28

Me. I've been working out since like the 10th grade, so I got like 30 years yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:03:32

It's not like in the last, you know, six months.

Speaker 1: 1:03:35

I started working out.

Speaker 2: 1:03:37

No, I mean, it's a thing you know and so you know. It's the exercise thing how long you've been getting up in the morning and journaling and writing your goals and doing those things. Well, I got binders, like you know, on my bookshelf, like this long.

Speaker 1: 1:03:55

I got a stack right here of like probably like 60 filled notebooks.

Speaker 2: 1:03:58

Yeah, of stuff that you know. And for me here's your tip for everybody I used to sit down in the morning and I'd be journaling, writing, praying, reading everything. And I'm like I tell patients every day, you know, sitting is the new smoking and you know you've got to be moving. So I went out, we've got a little gym in our shop and so I got a treadmill out there and I'm like, well, I'm getting on that, and so now I'm like 40 minutes on there and I do all you know writing and all that. Like, well, I don't need to go back and reread this stuff anyway.

Speaker 1: 1:04:33

I can only imagine your treadmill handwriting yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:04:35

Yeah, so you know my wife looks at it and like, are you trying to make this messy? So I can't read it.

Speaker 2: 1:04:43

You're writing like this, but, but I mean the whole point is just getting out there and and and, and, communicating and and and. So, yeah, I get out and I get get on my get on movement and I get extra extra 40 minutes of walking a day in and and it's. It's that same thought process of you got to, you got to make it consistent, you got to make these things habits and just, you know, day in and day out, and when you learn something new and when you improve, then you add that in and you, you pull out something else and you know always be looking for that next level of of improvement. It's like, okay, yeah, I always tell people you know we think about environmental toxins and and you know, just all this stuff really can, can, drive. You know the, the, the chemicals, smells, foods, all these things. And it's like, hey, you don't have to just gut everything and start from scratch. But it's like, hey, when, when your toothpaste runs out, can you get a better kind of toothpaste? You know when, when, when you, when you get your next dozen eggs, you know can you get a better quality egg.

Speaker 2: 1:05:51

And you know, look at, do this for all you guys eating eggs out there, take your old egg and then get a new, new dozen eggs and get one of the better, you know free range, you know some type of egg, and crack them next to each other and look at the difference.

Speaker 2: 1:06:06

If that yolk is pale and almost like you know, barely even yellow, there are hardly any nutrients in there. If you're seeing, I'm kind of an egg snob, so I'll go, I've gone through our local, local health food store and I've tried every single egg and I get the one I mean it's like almost bright red and orange. I mean it is so vibrant in there and yeah, so just little things like that can make a difference. And all of a sudden you look back and you're like, hey, I changed 20 things this year. I improved my health by changing these 20 things and bringing more of this in and less of that. And you know, making better decisions. If I'm going to cheat, if I'm going to have a dessert, I'm going to have one that's less bad for my blood sugar. If I'm going to, if I'm going to, you know, take, take something. It's going to be this better source of it, whatever it is, and just keep keep improving step by step.

Speaker 1: 1:06:58

Yeah, I think it's a little by little Like it. Just that's what you do. Yeah, same thing. My workouts, like you said, 40 minutes. I have worked out 20 to 30 a day. I just do it every day, and so it just stacks up, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:07:12

You know, I'm more at just a chill workout right now. I just need the blood going and feel, okay, I'm pretty soon I'll be going back and like hit hard again because I got a next goal I'm going to start working into and that's just a little thing is like all right, so set your thing, but just make that part of your routines. But you also have mentioned, like even the way that you've done this mind, heart, body and soul, all sides of this. You talk like prayer, meditation, writing, workout, like you got to go into each thing where, like you know, get an emotional release, get a spiritual release, get a or a connection, and then get into the physical release and then the mental release.

Speaker 1: 1:07:47

And when I'm training people to do all four sides the stress levels, the sicknesses, the ailments they go down substantially because, like now, I have outlets that work appropriately and so then it makes it so when they come to you they're not also super high anxiety and super high stress, because these are also beatable. And so being able to like just combine forces where you're like well, fix your blood sugar, put your life together with your, your body, and then also apply the health to your mind, now you're finding yourself just like the elk. Yep, you're not stressed anymore and let's go make some babies.

Speaker 2: 1:08:24

Yeah, yeah, that's what I. You know. It's crazy the number of of this younger generation you know 20, 25, 30 that don't even want to reproduce. You know that they're so stressed out, they've been, you know, beat over the head that if you have babies you're, you're causing destruction of the planet and and 25 stuff.

Speaker 1: 1:08:47

Yeah, you've seen universe 25, right, yeah, like that's what's happening right now and it's a it's actually we're at that pivoting point where Calhoun called this back in the 70s, talked about as soon as we start hitting between like seven to nine billion people on the planet. That's about that breaking point where you start seeing it go the other direction. But the way we do that turn the other direction turn is going to be impactful for humanity and we may already be going to that, that too far point where, like you see the narcissistic behaviors especially if you look at John Heitzwerk, it's more in women's Saudi icon. You see other psychologists who are like, look at the behavior that's going in and who's the most susceptible?

Speaker 1: 1:09:27

In the mice, it was the males that became the most susceptible to being the beautiful ones. Yeah, it's the females that are the most susceptible to being the beautiful ones, which I do. No work, I do. I want nothing to do with it. They're glorifying not being mothers and we are actually in the first time in humanity, in human history, where we have more women over 30 without children than women under 30 with children. It's the first time it's ever happened in humanity and it's glorified.

Speaker 2: 1:09:56

Yeah, well, south Korea. They've spent billions of dollars trying to marketing to their citizens to reproduce. It's crazy. You look at China, you look at Europe all these places they've already peaked and it's going down. Elon Musk was over in Italy or Spain. He was just there a few months ago telling everybody go have babies, because it's this tipping point. So many people are overpopulated and I'm like well, one thing let's talk about on the medical side sperm count is down 50% in the last 50 years. Testosterone is down 50% in the last 50 years. Tours are up 50% in the last 50 years. In the United States, one out of every 25-year-old boy being born right now will be autistic in his lifetime one out of 25. So then you take out they're not going to reproduce. Then you're looking at a recent survey.

Speaker 1: 1:11:07

I saw 18 to 24-year-olds and 40% of them identify as gendered neutral, fluid by trans, whatever the end-trans is now becoming a thing too, and a high percentage of them are going to reproduce.

Speaker 2: 1:11:27

We are at this point of we're going to actually have underpopulation in the next 100 years.

Speaker 1: 1:11:32

It's going to be interesting If we make it 100 years because now we're going to throw AI in the mix too, and now there will be no purposes for many people, and so you'll see, the 1% gap between the 99% will become astronomical, will have trillionaires, and then we'll have people who have no jobs because AI does it. Truck drivers, customer service people, you name it. There's going to be almost no need. Amazon workers will go out the window. Anything that's going to be AI generated.

Speaker 2: 1:12:00

And that's where you and your people and what you're doing every day. There's a book I'm in a men's group we're going through. It's called manhood and that's what we're talking about and it's like, hey, we have to have a mission, we have to have something that we get up for every single day and have them. For boys, I'm fortunate enough that I've got people that I can imprint that into and they all know how to work, they know how to get up and bust their butt and do what they need to each day. But unfortunately there's a lot of guys in and I'm just talking about our country, in the United States that do not have that goal, do not have that drive, do not have that mission, and unfortunately that spills all the way across the republic that we have here.

Speaker 1: 1:12:59

Yeah, and in order for there to be a chance for our guys, our brothers and our sons, in order for there to be a chance. There's nobody coming to save you. The opportunities you're looking for are up to us to create. They're all over the place. There's opportunities to do things, but we're waiting for these. There's so many things we can get into on this. Where you look into here's a real problem. I'm going to call it right now, just so you guys can hear. This is maybe five to 10 years ahead of where it became a real issue. Sectbox is going to be a problem. That's going to be a legit issue. There will be no reason to procreate as soon as you can take the Google voice system, which sounds so human you can't tell the difference and you put that AI system to know your algorithms, like what your favorite things are. We could talk about your favorite topics for hours and then you put that into a robot that looks whatever your favorite thing, is as perfect as you want, whatever your preference, you can.

Speaker 2: 1:14:00

Whatever your hot is.

Speaker 1: 1:14:01

No matter what it is, you can make it exactly your thing, whatever your fetish or your things you like. It's perfect. And then you take an account. We already have robots that do housework and stuff. You make that thing able to do dishes and clean up and take care of shit around the house. What's a better mate?

Speaker 2: 1:14:22

Yeah, they're not going to talk back.

Speaker 1: 1:14:25

No arguments sex anytime you want, in any way you want. You can even have three of them and just take turns down and they don't argue Like no issues happen. And so that's going to be a fucking problem because right now, 30% of the boys, like you said, aren't even playing. They're not even playing. Well, if they can have love but never have to have any of the rejection or fears or intimacy problems or and there's nothing, no, nothing can be wrong That'll be an issue. That'll be a legit issue. And it's going to be tough for the ladies too, because then they're going to have to fend for themselves, which creates overwhelm and they fall into high, high levels of stress, which maybe turn into the male sex bots. Turns into a legit thing. People will have I am in love with my robot, Like that will be a thing, and they think it's not going to be a fucking thing. Oh, you're going to have legit competition.

Speaker 2: 1:15:20

Yeah, well, and you know that, and why is that? It's what they didn't get from their dad, so that they, you know that they're, they're, you know, grieving for them from all these, all these losses they've had and never had.

Speaker 1: 1:15:32

And well, they never knew how to deal with, and since they don't have to, they won't. We're in the good times, and the good times create weak people, and that's what's happening. We don't have any real. You don't have to fight for food, we don't have to want for anything, and when there's no real issue, we create them. And so the real issue will be like I just don't like who you voted for, I don't like your opinion. And you're like well, those aren't real issues, those are just disagreements. You're like no, it's, they should fucking die. And you're like wow, you went into. You should kill someone for disagreeing, because that's the hardest part of your day. You've never had to starve, you've never had to fight or grow anything. You've never had to build anything. Everything's already built.

Speaker 1: 1:16:15

And you know a lot of people whose jobs are to do caretaking. It's like one button. Now Did you do laundry? Yeah, like that's it. That's all I left alone, and then I moved it and pushed a button, anyway that's. I used to be by the river scrubbing and then hanging it up on strings, like now it's a different thing, it doesn't matter, you know. And so we're in an interesting time right now. We're going to watch what's going on with our people. But there's a good possibility that what you and I are doing is in the last hurrah for humans, because I'll start doing an integration and really interesting thing soon that make us go remember when we used to be people.

Speaker 2: 1:16:56

Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's easy. We were just saying before this you know, when we were growing up there was no internet, there was no, you know nothing else out there. And you know, just see what's changed. And I'm sure in the next you know 30, 40 years it's going to be a similar, similar seismic shift.

Speaker 1: 1:17:16

It's going to get weird sooner than that. It's already getting weird. We got a lot of work ahead of us to try to help at least the people who are going to be the ones who carry humanity forward. It's going to come from those who understand how to take care of themselves in the way that you teach, and the people who have purpose in the ways that we teach outside of this. And so if you're going like, I believe that what you're doing and what I do are they, they, they Sympatico, they fit right together.

Speaker 1: 1:17:43

This is a good match and I think this is one of those things for people who listen to these kinds of things. Plug in with Dr Ben, plug in with what we do, plug in to every avenue of finding authenticity, health, strength, purpose, find you and your longevity, and it gives you a fighting fucking chance to lead your pack, be healthy with your family and be able to even have a family, because in the future it's going to be a rare thing to have a family Absolutely and value it while we have it, and let's make each other live as long as we can. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:18:16

Amen.

Speaker 1: 1:18:17

Right on, Dr Ben. How can people get in touch with you if they want to work with you?

Speaker 2: 1:18:21

Yeah, absolutely, our, our office. It's F8 in the letter F, number eight well centers f8wellcenterscom. I'm on, I'm on TikTok. We got got a bunch of followers on there, a bunch of videos, YouTube, facebook, instagram, we're, we're all over on there and you know, if you want to see GM, you can grab those in the links in the bio on any of those those outlets as well. And then if, if anybody truly wants to take that next step in your health is is more than just hey, I need to, I need to eat a little bit better, but there's more stuff going on than that's what we're here for as well. So, reach out, would love to, would love to help each and every one of you, you know, really, really get to that next level of of you know, whether that's manhood or just overall function in this world.

Speaker 1: 1:19:14

Hell yeah, that's awesome. We'll have the links in the bio for you, dr Ben. Thank you so much for hanging with us today.

Speaker 2: 1:19:20

It's been a pleasure yeah you bet Rick yeah.