Non Violent Communication and Family Constellation Systems Part 2 - Episode 29
Feb 12, 2024
Lawrence Joss
Embarking on a profound odyssey through emotional landscapes, I found that healing personal wounds and transforming relationships starts with the language we use and the understanding of our own neural pathways. Our guest, Sarah, with her expertise in relational neuroscience and self-compassion, joins me to share insights that can turn the brain into a sanctuary of warmth and empathy. Throughout the discussion, we unravel how Nonviolent Communication (NVC), family constellations, and neuroscience not only reshaped my relationship with my father but also offer others a blueprint for reconnecting with family members and resolving generational scars.
Touching upon the nurturing power of empathy in parenting, we reveal the subtle strength behind a simple phrase like "Are you willing?" and discuss how it can cultivate cooperation in our children. The transformative journey from confrontation to compassion exemplifies the shift that's possible when we apply NVC in our familial interactions. We also delve into the concept of embodied parenting, exploring how our language patterns and attachment styles can pave the way for a partnership-oriented family dynamics, and how creating a secure emotional environment can lead to healthier, more grounded offspring.
Finally, we dissect the systemic factors that seep into our family fabric, acknowledging how societal influences like poverty and racism contribute to the intergenerational transmission of trauma. A captivating case study from a constellation workshop provides a vivid example of how historical events still echo in today's relationships. Sarah's contributions, including her works "Your Resonant Self" and the accompanying workbook, are highlighted as essential guides for anyone on the quest for personal growth and healing. Together, we underscore the significance of understanding family systems in the broader context of societal struggles and the importance of supporting initiatives that bring these life-affirming communication modalities to the forefront of our community.
This podcast is made possible by the Family Disappeared Team: Anna Johnson- Editor/Contributor/Activist/Co-host Glaze Gonzales- Podcast Manager Kriztle Mesa - Social Media Manager Gen Rodelas-Kajabi Expert Kim Fernandez - Outreach Coordinator
Embarking on a profound odyssey through emotional landscapes, I found that healing personal wounds and transforming relationships starts with the language we use and the understanding of our own neural pathways. Our guest, Sarah, with her expertise in relational neuroscience and self-compassion, joins me to share insights that can turn the brain into a sanctuary of warmth and empathy. Throughout the discussion, we unravel how Nonviolent Communication (NVC), family constellations, and neuroscience not only reshaped my relationship with my father but also offer others a blueprint for reconnecting with family members and resolving generational scars.
Touching upon the nurturing power of empathy in parenting, we reveal the subtle strength behind a simple phrase like "Are you willing?" and discuss how it can cultivate cooperation in our children. The transformative journey from confrontation to compassion exemplifies the shift that's possible when we apply NVC in our familial interactions. We also delve into the concept of embodied parenting, exploring how our language patterns and attachment styles can pave the way for a partnership-oriented family dynamics, and how creating a secure emotional environment can lead to healthier, more grounded offspring.
Finally, we dissect the systemic factors that seep into our family fabric, acknowledging how societal influences like poverty and racism contribute to the intergenerational transmission of trauma. A captivating case study from a constellation workshop provides a vivid example of how historical events still echo in today's relationships. Sarah's contributions, including her works "Your Resonant Self" and the accompanying workbook, are highlighted as essential guides for anyone on the quest for personal growth and healing. Together, we underscore the significance of understanding family systems in the broader context of societal struggles and the importance of supporting initiatives that bring these life-affirming communication modalities to the forefront of our community.
This podcast is made possible by the Family Disappeared Team: Anna Johnson- Editor/Contributor/Activist/Co-host Glaze Gonzales- Podcast Manager Kriztle Mesa - Social Media Manager Gen Rodelas-Kajabi Expert Kim Fernandez - Outreach Coordinator
When you expand the lens, the family starts to make sense. So we're each responsible for the lives that we touch, for lives that we save or for lives where we contribute to people's death.
Speaker 2:
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Speaker 2:
I shared before about my relationship with my father and you know it was challenging at times. You know he was relatively narcissistic and had a really big heart and was really loving but really stuck in his own stuff. You know, and for yours you know, like I wanted to change him, I wanted to fix him, I wanted something to be different and it really hurt the relationship. And with my kids I want something to be different, I want to change something, I want it to look different. So it really challenges and hurts those relationships too. And when I start coming to some of these modalities and NVC in particular and family constellations and neuroscience also you know I'm specifically talking about those relationships transform. And the magical transformation with my relationship with my father was was more than words, more than words can describe. And the last two years was so rich because, again, I got out of the way. You know, if he was complaining about something.
Speaker 2:
I just reflect back while, yeah, that sounds really challenging, well, yeah, it sounds like you're having a really really hard day. And as soon as he got acknowledged and someone actually shared his reality, then we actually got to have some real connecting conversations and it's the exact same way that it's going to work with my kids and my grandkids and other young people, my nieces and nephews and anyone else in my life. So I need to really come from those places. How do I foster connection? And I foster connection through communication. I foster connection through understanding the neuroscience and Sarah spoke about the amygdala in the first part of the show, where we're reacting to something in the past and the present, because the amygdala has no sense of time, so just learning these different things, and then you add the family constellation on and you start to see how all the players are performing and acting out. It gives me such a tremendous amount of relief in my relationships with my daughters and, I guess, with every other human being in my life.
Speaker 1:
It just gives me relief to understand so much more to be able to see so much more of the field.
Speaker 2:
So I'm grateful to all these modalities and NVC and family constellations and learning about neuroscience, and I encourage you to check out the show notes, get in touch with Sarah, watch some of her free meditations, google neuroscience, family constellations, nvc learn about the stuff. It is life changing and could potentially save or change or alter your relationship with anyone in your life that you're struggling with. And if you like what we're talking about, please subscribe, share and support us. We could definitely use some financial support on keeping these podcasts coming to you too. There's a place to donate in the show notes. It would be great if you become a monthly donor. That would be really, really useful and we really appreciate you coming along from the journey. So let's jump into part two, and I'm curious. You came to NVC and constellations to save your son, to give some different tools to work with it, but how has it changed all your relationships? How has it changed your life? Like, what has this done to make Sarah's life something?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, that's such a sweet question. Because of everything I learned, even though I couldn't save my sweet boy, I'm able to contribute to the lives of other people and, of course, my own self. I love talking about how learning about relational neuroscience helps us make our brains good places to live, like. If you imagine walking into a house, what kind of a house do you walk into when you're entering your own brain space? You know, is your own brain home cozy? Is it warm? Is it welcoming, is it colorful? Is it got the music you love playing? Does it have good smells coming from the kitchen? Or do you walk into an empty house with no furniture and dirt in the corners and and no music system and no friends?
Speaker 1:
You know, I mean, it's sort of like really is a beautiful metaphor for like. How do we, how do we find ourselves inside of here? Because all the things that are, that are considered our addictions and our compulsions, anything from alcoholism to video games we're just trying to manage the inside of the brain and if we begin to, to really learn how to do self compassion, we make our brain just so much cozier. But people always say just. They just say do be self compassionate, you know, be warm with yourself. You know there's like no technology offered, no, no skill building. You know, know how to use. And part of that one one beautiful how to, is the nonviolent communication and the beginning to see our own name, our own feelings, which comes the amygdala and name our own needs, which starts to wake awaken the hippocampus with the context of why are we feeling what we're feeling, why is it so important?
Speaker 2:
Hmm, that is very cool. And I hear that by seeking solutions for your son and for your family, you've had the opportunity to help a tremendous amount of people, and in the beginning it was about trying to help yourself, trying to help your son, but it's expanded the world and the world's a better place. And then I also like the happy brain. That happy brain, that's, that's very sweet. And then you mentioned a word there that I think is really, really important to spend a couple seconds on, and it's it's technology. Yeah, like we hear like stuff, hey, this two shall pass, this is going to go away. You know, my mom always says what comes will go, and I'm like okay, but we need technology.
Speaker 2:
And if we take the word technology and we apply to like learning a life skill, like just how to communicate through, like nonviolent communication or whatever kind of communication you're going to pick up my choices of modality is NBC and we learn how to listen to people, we learn how to remove ourselves and give them empathy, to give them compassion, to connect with them, like, like this word technology, like we really got to think like, hey, we're in this really stressful situation, you know, like if my computer was broken I would go to the Apple store wherever to get it fixed, like, why, why won't I do that with my communication, right, right.
Speaker 2:
So I love you bringing the word technology here, like we need technology in order to move forward and we're talking about emotional, spiritual communication technology. And I just just to touch back on like your personal experience and what NBC has done for you how has it changed your relationships with, like the intimate, the raw relationships with your, with your partner, with your, your son both sons at the time with your, with your parents? Like what happened to those relationships for you?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, oh, such lovely things my mother has. My mother died about 10 years ago. Before, while she was alive, she really never enjoyed my body. She, she wanted a little silk child. She wanted to slender, tiny little dancing little nymph. And I was. I was a very strong, active, athletic little person and and she had no appreciation for my body at all. And as I grew older, she would just say to me you're fat, you're fat. And I would take it back to my NBC practice group and I would go.
Speaker 1:
My mother said this to me again and it was like 10 years of my mother doing this and my practice group saying do you need some acknowledgement of rage? You know, are you pissed, are you sad, are you lonely? You know, just staying with me at about year 10. It was quite a thing. My mother said to me you're fat. And I said mom, when you see my body, do you get really worried that nobody's going to love me? And she said yes, and she stopped saying it for a year and a half. It was she was in her 80s. She stopped saying it for a year and a half. She started again. I did something similar again and she stopped again until she died. I mean, it was really quite something to have such a toxic message be transformed. It wasn't something I could effort, it just came out naturally. Once I'd been held so often for the pain of receiving such a message that naturally, I guess an empathy guess flowed out of me for my mom, and so that kind of thing is really lovely.
Speaker 1:
Another thing that happened was I don't know how many of your audience have read Inbal Kashtan's book on parenting, but she has this really sweet story in it about how her son was banging. Her parents came to visit and they were sleeping downstairs and her son was banging on the floor above there. They were sleeping downstairs. He was in the kitchen and above their bed and he was banging a truck on the ground. And she said to him sweetheart, I, you seem to be really loving to bang the truck, but your grandparents are sleeping downstairs and I wonder if you'd be willing to stop banging. And he said yes, I'm willing. And she said wow, that's really interesting. Tell me why you're willing. She said are you worried? Do you care about grandma and grandpa? He said no, but I care about you. And I was like this is just a fairytale. This is a tall-up fairytale.
Speaker 1:
I said, when I first read the book, when my birth son was about six or seven, I was like this is never going to happen. But I learned nonviolent communication. I learned it anyway, even though I figured it was a fairytale. And then there was this very funny day that happened like oh, he was 10.
Speaker 1:
So three years later, we'd been doing nonviolent communication for three years and I said to him sweetheart, would you to my birth son?
Speaker 1:
I said would you be willing to to? We were leaving the house, would you be willing to turn off the light in the turtle cage? And he said I don't want to, but I'm willing. And that very same day he was playing downstairs with his friend and I could hear their voices getting louder and louder and I knew it had been a while since I had a snack and I was making dinner and my adopted son was in the living room watching basketball.
Speaker 1:
And I called that to my adopted son, who was at that time would have been 20, 26, 25. And I said hey, ben, would you be willing to take a snack down to the kids? I said I'm worried, I'm hearing their voices get really heated and they haven't eaten. And he said I don't want to, but I'm willing. And I was like, oh my God, it's not a fairy tale, it's. You know. We've moved from the disorganized attachment that came from my childhood because my mom had really bad trauma when she was a baby and had dissociative identity disorder, so the parenting was very disorganized and we moved to partnership. We moved to helping each other, being with one another in ways that were really lovely and have continued to evolve as I've learned more and more and more about language and attachment and what the language patterns are with different attachment styles. And it's just to just become closer and closer with my living son and still miss the one that we lost, but just love him so much still.
Speaker 2:
Thank you for sharing about your family system and when you were talking about your mother and her calling you fat and fat and like took years and years to come up with an empathy guess. But also the beauty and magic about NBC is removing myself from the equation and giving someone empathy. They might be like my daughter, might be saying I hate you, are you the worst? Or I hope you die or whatever like that. And the empathy guess, very similar to like your mother's, is you're angry at me, you're upset, you don't want to see me or whatever the thing is.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
And it's not about me, it's about the other person being heard. So that was a really magical thing with your mom and I love the. Are you willing? And seeing the evolution of you? Are you willing? Yeah, and I'll share. For me, and I've said this before is with my parents, with my father before he passed, like I'd been practicing NBC for maybe two or three years and for the last couple years of his life I didn't need anything from him. I would sit with him, I would give him empathy for where he was at. Conversation just kept evolving. I learned about how he was raised, his relationship to God, his fear of death, like all these different things. And no one in the family really knew about him because he was always complaining and everyone was always trying to change, fix or do something different versus just like with your mother.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, just give a little bit of empathy, and with my mom now too, like I don't need much and I just give her empathy 97% of the time in our relationship, is great and it's really magical. So I was having a conversation with someone else the other day and this work without parents and healing this generational trauma and even some of the lineage trauma coming down that they have unresolved Right, like I heard you do with your mother I've had a different experience with my parents, but it feels like I need to heal that stuff and be able to in order to be able to work with my kids and work with younger people in my lives and heal those relationships too. Like it really feels like it's this whole circle. I can't just work in one direction, like I need to, and this is more of a question Like I'm healing the older wounds and the more generational stuff before I can focus on healing the stuff that's emergent with the kids as they grow up. What do you think about that?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I often have that feeling with constellation work that what we're doing is we're healing the past generations, that, as we bring compassion to the older family patterns, that we're just really rewiring our brains and we're rewiring our inheritance from the older generations. You know nonviolent communication, the needs based meditations that Robert Gonzalez used to teach and that his followers still teach in nonviolent communication have been proven by Herbert Benson that the hospital attached to Harvard University that it changes the epigenetic expression of the hypothalamus, which is where we regulate stress. So when we change something epigenetically, we're changing our transgenerational inheritance. And so yes, yes, yes, and both for the living end for the dead and for the living and dead that we carry within us.
Speaker 2:
And like when I'm working with my parents and I'm doing empathy, they're grasped of it. I see my mother changing her language around me because sometimes I'm like you're not listening, you're not hearing me. So she actually gives me empathy and she's not in any kind of framework.
Speaker 2:
But the thing that I'm noticing when I talk to my nieces and nephews and some younger people in my life and I talk about the framework of empathy they're able to grasp it much quicker and start to use it in a different way that I wouldn't have been capable at a younger age, because I just didn't have any technology. And I'm curious, as you're transmitting the stuff to your son and sons Did they incorporate some of this unknowingly in their life and how they started communicating with people in their system?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, it would happen all the time. My older son would want me to do empathy for his friends who were living through hard stuff. My younger son would just naturally. He just naturally started to assume the speech patterns that create less blame in the world. So he was talking about his head of school and the guy's name was Mark and he said you know, today Mark did something that I did not enjoy. No judgment, no, you know, like really self-responsible, taking full responsibility. I did not enjoy that.
Speaker 2:
That is very cool and the reason that I ask you this question again, with folks in our community that are struggling with relationships with their kids. As we work on ourselves, as we cultivate new technology like NBC, neuroscience, family constellations, any of it and we start to transmit this in all areas of our life our parents, our kids, our cousins, our nephews, their lives start to change. So this is a different kind of parenting. This isn't the parenting saying no, don't do that, or yes, you can go there. This is like an embodied parenting. I would say would be a word that I would use.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, it goes right to the heart of what's needed in attachment, which is to be understood. In order to have secure attachment, we have to be understood and have our emotions reflected, and that's what secure attachment is, and that's what nonviolent communication gives us.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, that's beautiful, and I don't have any contact with my two older kids, which I'm not really sure that you know that by my youngest daughter, who's 22 now, I still talk to regularly and a lot of the conversations is through empathy and it's transformative and we stay in connection and we stay energetically together and we attune and again the reason I'm saying this to the community again like there's different ways to communicate with our kids and create connection that aren't traditional. These are new technologies that are life changing and life affirming and that's why we want to introduce you to these through the podcast. So they're incredibly important and useful and there's a lot of different modalities out there.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
So, Sarah, you said before that you've written a couple books which are fantastic. Can you tell the audience a little bit about your books and what you look for them?
Speaker 1:
Sure. So the books can be bought through any online bookseller or ordered from a brick and mortar store, which I always encourage because it's nice to support our little bookstores. The first book was called your Resonant Self, and it has guided meditations and exercises to engage your brain's capacity for healing. And, if you like the sound of that, there's a free series of guided meditations. These same meditations I read into the, into recordings for you. On the website sarahpatoncom. There's a button that says start healing now. You can press that button and you'll get meditation sent to your inbox to be able to listen to.
Speaker 1:
And then the second book is called your Resonant Self workbook and it's all about the agreements and unconscious contracts that we make with ourselves to try to survive being too alone in the world, the ways that we promise ourselves that we'll never speak publicly, for example, in order to avoid humiliation and shame, or that we won't express ourselves, or that we'll become invisible, or that we will believe that we don't matter or will refuse to accept the possibility that we could be included, will just be an outsider forever. All of the stories that we tell ourselves. That's what the second book is about. And then there's a book of affirmations for turbulent times. That's so wonderful Sort of.
Speaker 1:
If you're like I don't want to do neuroscience at all, I just want to have some of this empathy for myself, then grab that one. And then I just came out with Roxy Manning, my co-author of the Anti-Racist Heart. For people who are like, well, this stuff's all real interesting on a personal level, but what about the systemic? And all of these books can also be found at my website, sarahpatoncom and classes and recordings and constellations.
Speaker 2:
Thank you for that, sarah, and all Sarah's information is going to be in the show notes so you can get hold of her, you can get on the website, you can try some of that of the free meditations and that's really cool that you did a book with Roxy and Roxy's another superstar, ninja, and just as we're getting closer to wrapping up, like you talked about systems and I don't think we've really spent much time on that and for a lot of people in the community you're like, hey, my child doesn't talk to me. This sucks, I hated my life's over, I'm lonely, I'm isolated, whatever it is. But this is all part of a much bigger system, which is the family system, where you have the ex-partner, you have the grandparents, you have friends, you have supporting people. So can you talk a little bit about like systems and what that means to you within the context of families really struggling with some really heavy emotional situations?
Speaker 1:
Right? Well, there are, like societal forces that impact families and make parental alienation and the loss of connection and families even more acute. Things like poverty, things like racism, things like the prioritization of, even by women, the prioritization of men, like the sons are the ones that matter and the daughters don't matter. Those kinds of things that come from even outside the family. I mean, it's bad enough what happens in our family, but what's happening in our family is really a reflection of what are the collective traumas that have impacted our family and impacted everybody epigenetically, to make people isolate instead of allowing them to integrate and connect and be connected with one another Traditional losses, excuse me, the loss of land, for example for indigenous people, such tremendous loss of land which is shown to go directly into all kinds of personal trauma, the expression of personal trauma.
Speaker 1:
But this can be in our families as well. For example, all of the immigration from Europe to the United States or from other parts of the world to the United States. This kind of forced separation between generations and immigration can leave brains with a coping strategy of isolation instead of being able to reach for one another. So not only do we get to look at what's the impact of the previous generations and their relationships on our relational patterns. But what's the impact of what history has done to our families? The Irish famine, the famines in Ukraine and Eastern Europe and in the late 1800s in Scandinavia that led to a lot of immigration. There's still impacts rolling down through the generations from these huge losses.
Speaker 2:
Thank you. Thank you for taking a large view and expanding it out with family systems and systems in general. And if we're going to just look at the system of what a lot of parents have gone through, you've got the court system, you have the mental health system, you have the financial institution system which is just sucking money out of every place that they can do. So really, we come in here struggling as an individual, but it's really a systemic issue and on a systemic level is where we will see change. So I just wanted to introduce that idea with Sarah to the community and definitely something we'll dig into deeper. And now this is a question that I don't know if you have an answer for Do you have a story you can share about someone that's gone through your constellations, that was struggling with family or connection or something like that, where there was an aha moment or some kind of maybe someone shared a year later or some kind of reconciliation or something like that? Just to throw that out there as we're wrapping up.
Speaker 1:
So I was working in Europe and there was a woman that was working with a sense of not being able to be connected with a family and I said well, when you're working physically in Europe, there's so often an impact of World War II. And I said what happened for your grandparents during World War II? And she said, oh, they really escaped any impact. There really was no impact for them. Both my grandfather, she said, were train drivers. They were engine drivers for trains in Eastern Europe. And I said well, here we are, you know, with knowing what the cargo was on trains in Eastern Europe. It was people who were being taken to concentration camps, it was dead bodies. But this is, you know, death. Chain drivers did not escape from, you know, the impact of trauma and we were able to begin to include.
Speaker 1:
So part of what happens in consolation work is you expand the lens of who's part of the family. And when you expand the lens, the family starts to make sense. So we're each responsible for the lives that we touch, for lives that we save or for lives where we contribute to people's death. So the family itself consists in that case of the grandparents, but it also consists of all of the people who were impacted and killed in the concentration camps, who were transported in those trains. So there's a huge expansion and a depth of understanding of the way that people had to stop thinking of themselves as connected to one another in order to survive, and then the granddaughter being able to come to a place of more connection with herself and more connection with others, moving away from the old pattern of the family of just being disconnected in order to survive.
Speaker 2:
So through her work she found that she was disconnected, just in the survival mode, very similar to what her grandfathers was probably would do in just driving those trains at a jet, a hillbat. And again, such important work in contextualizing it on family systems level, like we're doing a lot of this important work to create space to reconnect with people and our children and our parents and anyone else in the family. Again, when they get into their own work through whatever modality or lens, like they can start looking at the system and what's happening and how to change the outcome. So that's really rich and hopeful and wonderful and sounds like an incredible experience. And we're going to be wrapping up here, sarah, and I guess the last question that I would say for you if parents that were struggling with alienation, with no connection with their kids or grandkids, and they wanted to do some constellation work, would you suggest they just show up at a regular constellation? Would there be something we're specific you would suggest, like what are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 1:
Well, if you're interested, you can start taking classes with me online. I'm going to do all my work online right now, as a result of both family situation and the after effects of the pandemic. It's really fun to work online because you don't have to travel anywhere, but it's less fun because you don't get to hug people. I'm going to have one live event opportunity. It's already sold. All the beds are already sold out. People have to be at Airbnb or go camping in Abacue, new Mexico. The Western constellation is intensive. It's happening in the beginning of March, march, may, may, beginning of May, and that will be really a delight. But the other possibility is to find constellation facilitators in your own area. You can look up family constellations at Grand Ohio and see what's there, or Columbus, and then another possibility is to begin to read about it and to think about your own life.
Speaker 2:
Well, thank you, sir, thank you for coming out and again, we're going to share all Sarah's information in the show notes. Who will be able to get hold of her and learn about constellations, more MVC stuff, the neuroscience stuff is wicked cool and it's so great to see you and get to share and spend some time in your energy. And thank you, thank you, thank you for me and the community.
Speaker 1:
Thank you, lawrence. It's a pleasure to spend time with you too.
Speaker 2:
What a great show. And we really got to talk about some bigger visions near the end of the show about family systems, and Sarah went in some different directions, away from the traditional family system where I say I'm struggling with my children or my grandchildren or my parents, and she extrapolated it out to World War II and some other stories that were going on there, and I think that's really important because this is really complex. What we're dealing with it's not that I just want to get my kid back, it's that I'm dealing with the court systems. I'm dealing with the court systems that were set up not to handle families, not to handle mental health. I'm dealing with professionals that are driven by money, like so much money is getting sucked out by people just using a traumatized community to make money. There's so many different things. So Sarah's example is really great, and then we bring it back to our community.
Speaker 2:
What are the different things in our community, within the system that we really need to look at? We need to do this work to kind of have a larger view, to actually have an impact on what we're challenged with, and I think for me in the beginning it was just about impacting what was happening with my kids and now it's a larger footprint. It's about impacting actual systemic change so people don't have to go through this or they can have information sooner, so they don't have to necessarily make the same mistakes. So I hope that makes sense. I just think it's really an important larger view and stuff for us to consider as we want to, as we want to heal ourselves and heal this part of the world and this part of the system, so our kids can have much better opportunity to have a better life. So that's a lot out of me, maybe too much and too directional, I'm not really sure.
Speaker 2:
But thank you for coming along and we appreciate you. We love having you on the journey. Familydisappeartogmailcom. Send me an email, ask a question, make a suggestion. If you've got something you want to contribute to the show, you want to be a guest? You want to do a little short spot? You have letters you'd like to send in for us to read? You know, let us know what you want to do. We've got a bunch of new stuff coming out in this next season and maybe it's already been launched, because this is getting taped a little in the front. So in case nobody's told you yet today, I love you and I hope you have a beautiful day and.
Speaker 1:
I hope you get to say you love you to someone else too.
Speaker 2:
Thanks for taking the time to join me on this episode of FamilyDisappear Podcast. Do you know someone who can benefit from what we're discussing on today's episode? If so, please share this podcast with them and anyone else in your community that might be interested in changing their lives. Together we'll continue the exploring, growing and healing journey. I will see you on our next episode. Until then, happy days to all.