Walking Through Fire | with Dave Albin

Key Takeaways:

-  Don't stare at what you fear. Focus on moving through it.

-  The life changing, paradigm shift of fire walking.

-  What doesn't challenge you, doesn't change you. 

Dave Albin's journey from addiction to becoming the leading firewalk instructor in the US is nothing short of awe-inspiring. Imagine deciding to turn your life around on a fateful day- of which feels like your lowest point, only to find purpose through Tony Robbins' "Personal Power" program. That's exactly what happened to Dave, the founder of Firewalk Productions, who has since used his experiences to inspire thousands, helping them face their fears through the ritual of fire walking.



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Chapters

• 0:00 Journey to Becoming a Firewalker
• 10:09 Facing the Firewalk Challenge
• 21:42 From Firewalker to Business Owner
• 29:23 Life-Changing Firewalk Events for Veterans
• 39:37 Origin of Addiction and Familial Turmoil
• 47:00 Life-Changing Firewalk and Board Break
• 1:00:37 Morning Routine for Optimal Health

Transcript

Kertia: 0:00

Recently, I spoke with Dave Albin, who's known as the number one firewalk instructor in the US, having worked with Tony Robbins for over 19 years, and he tells an empowering story of tenacity and resilience and, briefly touching on his early struggle with addiction, it is such a reminder of how life can unfold for us when we get in alignment with our purpose. Dave has facilitated firewalking for thousands of individuals, helping them to move through their fears. So if you're up for the challenge, check out Dave's work at Firewalk Productions.

Dave: 0:52

So that's quite a show you've got there. Kind of um aligns with my career, that's for sure you know, I know you're you're addressing um fear. Yeah, so I spent three decades showing people how to deal with fear. So, yeah, it should be a fun interview.

Kertia: 1:08

So all right, let's get into it, dave Sure.

Dave: 1:13

Rock and roll.

Kertia: 1:13

So you're the number one firewalker expert in America, right? So I'm really curious to know what that journey was like, leading up to you becoming a firewalker, because that's not something like I can't imagine. I haven't heard a lot of people say they aspire to be a firewalker, right. That is something that usually the people that I know that has gotten into it. It's something that they fell into unexpectedly along your journey, so I'm really curious to know what that journey was like what it entailed for you.

Dave: 2:04

And it literally started in 1988. In 1988, I woke up. In June of that year. I was pretty messed up. I was grossly addicted to heroin and cocaine and alcohol and making a lot of bad choices, hanging around with a lot of wrong people, and I don't know what it was about that particular day on June 8th 1988, but I said that's it, I'm done, I can't do this anymore. I was in a lot of physical pain, a lot of emotional pain, and so I decided that that day was it. That was the breaking point for me, and I'm contemplating taking my own life that day. Well, I'm married to a woman who's got three kids. They were my stepkids and I loved them dearly.

Dave: 3:03

And I remember thinking you know, if you take your own life, guess who's got to clean it up? They do. I was living in the basement, they were living upstairs, and I remember thinking, no, you can't do that, that's wrong, you're going to ruin their life. And I didn't even know what PTSD was back in those days, but it certainly would have caused it for them. And I just remember thinking all the hell that they would have to go through if I was to take my own life. So I was like OK, so you can't do that, so what are you going to do? You need help. So I ended up calling Alcoholics Anonymous. And you know, kershaw, what's interesting about that moment was I didn't even know who AA was. I had no references right, I'd never been to a meeting. I didn't know anybody in AA. I didn't know any of that. Yet there was the thought call AA.

Kertia: 3:57

Wow.

Dave: 3:59

And I did. And I got this wonderful woman on the phone and over the years I've affectionately nicknamed her Madge. And the reason I did is because she talked like this. You know, she probably smoked two packs of Pomo non-filters a day, so her voice was real raspy, but what a sweetheart. You know, she was the gatekeeper, so her job was real raspy, but what a sweetheart. She was the gatekeeper, so her job was to interview you. Her job was to ask you the right questions and if you answered them correctly, she would call somebody to come get you.

Kertia: 4:37

Yeah.

Dave: 4:38

And that's what she did. And so I went to my first AA meeting on June 8th of 1988. And it stuck. I've never had a drink or a drug since, and what happened was at the same time I was getting sober. I was up late at night all the time because my sleep patterns were all over the place.

Kertia: 5:03

Yeah.

Dave: 5:04

And there he was, you know, late night. Gunthy Ranker back in the 80s, a young, vibrant Tony Robbins, is selling his program Personal Power. And he did it on an infomercial with Gunthy Ranker. And I'm listening to the guy and, quite candidly, I didn't like him. I thought he was a pompous ass. To be candid with you Right, I did not, I didn't like him at all. But he said a couple of things that got me. The first thing he said was we'll do more to avoid pain than we will to gain pleasure. And I went whoa, dude, are you talking to me? I mean, because that's why I was doing drugs and alcohol.

Dave: 5:49

I was either running from pain or I was chasing some pleasure, and so that resonated with me. The next thing he said that got me was how we as humans make decisions. We make them out of inspiration or desperation, and I went well, okay, well, you've got to be talking to me now, and that desperation really hit home with me and so right, so he got me, and so I I called up.

Dave: 6:23

Yeah, I called and ordered the program. It was called Personal Power and you did it at home and it came in a big box and it came on these little white things called cassette tapes. Yeah Right, some of your listeners are going to go what are?

Dave: 6:41

those Go to the Smithsonian. They're there, they're right next to 8-track and reel-to-reel tapes. So, anyway, kershaw, I plugged him in, I did what the man taught me to do and it worked. And so this was in 1988. Well, one of my buddies in AA was watching me really closely and he's like so, dude, what's going on with you? You've got this real motivational, inspirational side to you. And what's going on? I go well, I've been listening to this guy named Tony Robbins, and my buddy goes I know who Tony Robbins is. I bought his book but I never read it. Yeah, and I went well, how often does that show up in your life? And so I said look, I'll tell you what. I'll loan you my program. You can borrow it If you promise me you're going to listen to it and go through it. He said I promise, and so he did. He went through it and he called me back. This was in 88, 89.

Kertia: 7:47

Yeah.

Dave: 7:48

And he called me in 1995. And he said hey, man, did you know that Tony Robbins is coming to town? And I'm like, no, I had no clue. And he said dude, come on, you got me into this. We got to go see this guy. And I went sure, I'll do it. Yeah, I'd love to go see Tony Absolutely. And he's like great, let me call you back, I'll make all the arrangements. So he called me back like an hour later and he said done, we pick up the tickets at Will Call. And here's what they told us to do Number one bring water. You've got to hydrate throughout this four-day event. Bring snacks, because you're going to spend a lot of time in the room. And then he said be ready to play full out and bring a good attitude. I said okay, how much was the ticket, dan? He said $695. In 1995.

Kertia: 8:43

Wow, that's a lot of money.

Dave: 8:46

What, yeah, what's that worth today? Like 1.1, 1.2 million? I mean right, it's crazy.

Kertia: 8:55

That's a lot.

Dave: 8:56

Right, it was. You know, buy Bitcoin, right? So, um, yeah, the big day came. Oh, by the way, let me back up, I almost forgot.

Dave: 9:07

He goes the same thing to me. He's like hey, by the way, before you get off the phone, let me tell you the most important part we're going to be doing a fire walk. What does that mean? I don't know what that means. I've never heard the term fire walk in the same sentence. Yeah, I don't know what that means. I've never heard the term firewalk in the same sentence.

Dave: 9:25

Yeah, I don't know what that means, but it didn't sound like anything I wanted to be doing. I can tell you that because fear is like controlling my life, yeah, and fear to me at that point is forget everything and run. So, no, I'm not doing the firewalk now, but I'm not saying anything to my buddy. In fact, I'm not doing the firewalk now, but I'm not saying anything to my buddy. In fact, I'm doing the opposite. I'm like oh, yeah, sure, dan, firewalk. Yeah, sounds interesting. Sure, no problem, all right, brother, see you then hung up the phone and went no, no, that's not just, it's a hell. No, as a matter of fact, I'm not doing this firewalk thing. Well, the big day comes and we get there and tony takes the stage at two o'clock in the afternoon. We're with 3 500 people at this event and the next thing we know it's after midnight.

Dave: 10:24

We've been in a room with tony robbins for 10 hours oh my god yeah, um, in fact, when they told you, you know, drink a lot of water, uh, make sure you hydrate and bring snacks. Well, yeah, otherwise you'll starve to death.

Kertia: 10:43

Oh, my goodness.

Dave: 10:48

So 10 hours later we're in the room. Tony goes, take your shoes off, and I'm like oh no, no, no, no, no. I see where you're going with that pal. You're not tricking me by this time. I know what's going on. I know what the firewalk is right.

Kertia: 11:04

Oh my.

Dave: 11:05

God. So he's explaining it throughout those 10 hours, and so I'm like I'm not taking my shoes off. I got a problem though my buddy that I'm with and the other 3,500 people guess what they're doing? They're taking their shoes off. They're taking their shoes off and I'm like people, no, don't fall for it, you know, don't go towards the light. It's kind of a thing.

Dave: 11:38

And so now I got a dilemma what am I going to do? Yeah, not take my shoes off, and everybody's going to know, going out there, the guy that still has his shoes on. Hey, look at that guy, he's a, he's a coward, right? So I'm like all right. So here's the plan Take your shoes off and when you get out there, go hide in the back, ditch your buddy which should be pretty easy to do and then go hide in the back. Nobody's going to know. Well, other than you, other than me, right? So that's my plan. You know, you go out there and 3,500 people it was pretty easy to navigate and, you know, lose my buddy, which I did exactly. I went, I went in the back.

Dave: 12:15

Well, I've got a huge problem. Number one when Tony has everybody going out there, he's got them clapping and chanting Like yes, yes, yes. 3,500 people are chanting I'm walking out there going no, uh-uh, ain't going to do it. No, I'm not, I'm not going to do this. Yeah, maybe you are, but I'm not. Well, it gets worse. He's got African drummers.

Kertia: 12:47

Oh nice.

Dave: 12:48

Oh, it really is nice, because when you get out there, it's dun-dun, dun-dun-dun-dun-dun.

Kertia: 12:53

You can't resist that. You can't resist that.

Dave: 12:57

Well, you can and you can't.

Dave: 13:00

I can't, I'm still not doing it right. But you're right. The vibration, everybody's chanting. How do you walk? 3,500 people? How do you fire walk 3,500 people? Well, you start in the middle of the day and you build a big fire. And there's this huge fire burning and you know, they build a pit. It's probably 35 feet long, 70 feet, excuse me, 35 feet wide, 35, 70 feet long, yeah, and they just keep adding wood to it all day long. Well, at the end of the night it renders and you have this big, giant pile of blue coal. So what they do, kershia, is they take wheelbarrows over to that pit and they load the coals in a wheelbarrow.

Kertia: 13:50

Yeah.

Dave: 13:50

And then they bring a wheelbarrow in between two lanes of sod of grass. Yeah, and it's about you know. Three feet wide, 18 feet long.

Kertia: 14:00

Mm-hmm.

Dave: 14:01

And they just take a flathead shovel and they sprinkle those coals on top of that grass. It's called a fire lane.

Kertia: 14:09

Yeah.

Dave: 14:10

And that's what you walk on. Well, you know, I found my way to the back. I'm hiding out because, again, nobody's going to know. Well, Tony Robbins knows that the firewalk experience is probably, without a doubt, the most life-changing paradigm shift experience any human will ever go through.

Dave: 14:30

It's been around a thousand years. Cultures all around the world have used firewalking for years for a lot of different reasons Rite of passage reasons, right right of passage marriages, births of children, graduations, you name it. So he knows that if you don't fire walk that you're not gonna participate in the paradigm ship yeah so what's he do?

Dave: 15:00

he also knows there's people like me. He knows we're hiding out in the back. So what's he do? Right, so what's he do? You might see this coming he trains people to come find you. So there I am, minding my own business, thinking I got it all figured out, hiding out in the back. Here comes this guy out of nowhere and he makes eye contact with me and then once he did that, he wouldn't take his eyes off. He got 15 to 20 feet from me and he's looking dead into my eyes and he's kind of looking at me funny, like you know, when a dog hears a funny noise yeah twist their head.

Dave: 15:43

Well, that's how he's looking at me and all of a sudden he goes hey man, are you okay? And when we're not okay, what did I do? I lied I'm like yeah, sure, I'm fine, no problem here, move along, pal. He probably saw the panic. Yeah, right, he's got me. And as soon as I said that, you know, hey, I'm fine, no problem, move along, he went right for the kill shot. He's like so, hey man, are you going to walk tonight? And I'm like absolutely not, like duh. Why do you think I'm hiding in the back, you fool. And all of a sudden he goes hey, man, that's no problem, we don't want you to do anything you don't want to do. Yeah. And I went oh, okay, this guy's going to get me out of here. No, he's not, he's setting me up.

Dave: 16:48

Because the next question he asked me was well, wouldn't you at least like to watch? And I thought, sure, why not? Let's watch these idiots burn their feet off, yeah. And so I said sure, and well, you know, you can't see anything from back here. I'm a hundred yards away, right? I got 3,500 people standing in front of me. Yeah, the drums are going, people are chanting, people are already firewalking when they get to the celebration in there, jumping up and down and screaming and celebrating. I mean it's intense. And so he goes look, just get in line Right, and eventually you'll get up there.

Kertia: 17:35

Yeah.

Dave: 17:36

Okay, I took the bait, I got in line and I'm kind of walking along and the next thing I know, another stranger comes up to me and he whispers in my ear and he says he knows when you're ready. When he says go, you go and pew. This guy just disappeared into the night.

Kertia: 17:58

Oh, my God.

Dave: 18:00

And I'm like what do you mean? What are you talking about? What do you mean? He knows when you're ready, when he says, go you go. What does that mean? Right, I don't know what that means. And so I'm kind of walking along and all of a sudden I get to a point where I can't see in front of me. I got a thousand people in front of me, but I can see at an angle and Kersaw, they're doing it.

Dave: 18:25

They're firewalking every race, every creed, every color. They're doing it. And my mind is going why are they doing this? What's wrong with them? We're mammals. We're taught to run from fire, not walk on it.

Kertia: 18:39

Yeah.

Dave: 18:40

And so now I'm just, I'm mesmerized, I'm, you know, I'm like staring at the car wreck that we're not supposed to look at Right, and I'm staring at it and I'm moving along and boom, next thing, I know, guess where I am?

Kertia: 18:54

It's your turn.

Dave: 19:01

My turn. I'm at the front of the line and I'm saying to myself how the hell did you get here? And so I'm. I'm looking down at the fire lane. Right. It's three feet wide, 18 feet long. The coals are on the top yeah they're glowing bright red. The wheel barrels there. You can feel all the heat coming off. My heart is beating so hard I'm pretty sure it's going to jump out of my chest man and there's a trainer standing right there and all of a sudden the trainer goes eyes up.

Dave: 19:30

Oh okay, that's right, keep your eyes up. 10 hours in a room with Tony Robbins. What did he teach me? Keep my eyes up, don't stare at what I fear. Hmm, interesting metaphor. Don't stare at what you fear. And all of a sudden the trainer goes, squeeze your fist and say yes, and I went yes. And he went stronger and I went yes. Well, he could tell. He could tell that I was leaving a lot on the table.

Dave: 20:00

I was not in a peak state. So he got in my face and screamed at me Stronger and I threw my fist in the air and said yes, and he goes. Go, go, go, boom. I took off. Remember the guy. He knows when you're ready, when he says go, you go.

Kertia: 20:24

Yeah.

Dave: 20:25

I went, I fell for it. Well, tony positions two guys at the end of the fire lane to catch you.

Kertia: 20:34

Yeah.

Dave: 20:35

And they catch you and it's like stop, wipe your feet and celebrate. And now I'm celebrating like a little kid at Christmas. I just walked on coals 1,000 degrees. Have no idea how I did it, but I did it and I was successful. And, I might add, I didn't burn myself.

Kertia: 20:54

Amazing.

Dave: 20:57

And it was, without a doubt, one of the most exhilarating moments of my entire life. It was phenomenal. And I will tell you, in that moment, when you're down there, with 3,000 people jumping up and down, screaming, celebrating, it's exhilarating. Yeah, in fact, I'm like, hey, where's the bus? Let's go get on the bus. And you know, let's go to Mount Everest, people, and go climb it, because literally, you know, let's go to Mount Everest, people and go climb it, cause literally, that's what you're experiencing.

Kertia: 21:30

Yeah.

Dave: 21:30

Here's where it gets. Here's where it gets really interesting. And to your question, you know how did I get to this firewalking position that I am was the next day. This is a four-day event. That was day one that night. Now we're on day two.

Dave: 21:48

The next morning you got 3,500 people pretty fired up, getting ready to go into the venue, standing in the foyer, and I've never seen or witnessed anything like it in my life. I've never seen people get along like this because they're laughing, they're communicating at a really high level. Um, uh, you know, some of them are crying, they're hugging, they're connecting, they're talking about the firewalk, they're talking about their fears. It was a beautiful thing to experience that next morning. Well, later in the event, I met one of Tony's trainers, a guy by the name of Ted Macy, him and his wife, mary. Incredible people, super, super people. And I'm just talking to Ted and I asked him. I said so what's it like being in this environment on a regular basis? He goes dude, it's absolutely phenomenal because we are who we spend time with. And so, um, I'm just talking to him and he said hey, by the way, you see those people standing over there with the black shirts and the pink writing on the back, I'm like, yeah, he goes. Dude, those are volunteers, they're people just like you.

Dave: 23:08

They came to an event and filled out the application and we brought them back to help facilitate these events. So when you get home, call Robbins Research, ask them for a crew application. They'll send it to you and then, who knows, maybe you'll get chosen. Yeah, well, that's exactly what I did. Nice, oh yeah. And so you know, like nine weeks after I sent that letter in, I got a letter in the mail that said Dave Albin, congratulations, you've been selected to crew with the Anthony Robbins Companies. Well, there I was, man, my foot was in the door, and when you fill out the application it's pretty extensive. They want to know quite a bit about you. So they found out I had a military background. They found out I had a security background. They saw I lived on a farm. Found out I had a security background. They saw I lived on a farm. So I knew what a log splitter is. I know how to split wood, I know what kindling is.

Dave: 24:10

I know the difference between hickory and oak and locust and these different types of woods. So they did two things. One, they put me on the security team to help take care of Tony's celebrities and they put me on the fire team because I had the experience of being living on a farm and that's where I found the home. That's where I was like okay, I love doing this.

Dave: 24:35

And I started right, I started learning all the logistics of being on the fire team. The challenge was I was spending my own money to get there, so I was. You know I was dropping 1500 bucks every time I went. Well, my wife at the time wasn't real thrilled about that, you know, cause she didn't know anything about Tony Robbins. Who's this Tony Robbins guy? I don't but. And you're spending 1500 bucks every time you go.

Kertia: 25:02

That's a lot at that time.

Dave: 25:04

It was $95? Yeah, yeah. So they ended up offering me a subcontractor's position, which meant they paid my way, they paid my airfare, they paid my hotel, they gave me a per diem for food. And they also did something really smart they gave me a free ticket for my spouse. So I got to take her, and when she graduated on day four, uh, we were walking on the beach and she goes okay, I get it, I drank the kool-aid. This. This guy's pretty awesome. If you want to roll with him, you go ahead. As long as you're going to pay your way and pay us a small salary and pay your food and your hotel and airfare, we're good. And so that all happened in 96, 97.

Kertia: 26:02

Yeah.

Dave: 26:03

In 2003, moving this forward, robbins offered me the captain's position, and what that meant was I would take over all of Tony's firewalks globally. Oh right, so that was pretty cool, and because I was homeschooling my kids at the time, they paid for my kids to go on the road with their dad and their mom and travel around the world with Tony Robbins.

Kertia: 26:38

Oh my God, that's so good.

Dave: 26:41

In fact, yeah, the first event for my family and kids was Sydney, australia, that is sick.

Dave: 26:50

Right, yeah, I mean pray for them, right. I mean, my kids were pretty abused, so it was a beautiful thing. So that happened in 2003. In 2005, we set the world record in London. We firewalked 12,300 people and that was the largest group that had ever been walked today, in 2005. Now I do want to disclose I say a world record, but Guinness Book of World Records was not there, However still the biggest firewalk in our planet's history 12,300 people.

Kertia: 27:33

That's amazing.

Dave: 27:34

It was so. That happened in 2005 in London, and then in 2014,. I'm driving down the road and my phone rings, and it's a company called Google. Maybe you've heard of them.

Kertia: 27:52

Yep.

Dave: 27:52

Yep, and they're like hey, are you the Dave Albin that does the firewalks for Tony Robbins? Yeah, what can I do for you? Well, if you're not under any contractual obligation or non-compete, we'd like to talk to you about hiring you. Okay, well, homeboy's, a free agent, what you got. And they ended up hiring us, hiring me, and that's really when the light bulb went off. And that's really when the light bulb went off. I recognized that that was a pretty significant phone call. In fact, one of the executives that was at the event set me down when we were at lunch and we were having a conversation and she said hey, dave, listen, I'm not here to tell you what to do, but you may want to think about starting your own business.

Dave: 28:47

And the reason is is corporate America will be all over you. They will eat you alive, because this is exactly what a company is looking for a paradigm shift, something where you can take a whole group of people and you can change their lives collectively as a group. Pretty phenomenal, and we researched you. We know who you are. You're at the top of your game. So, again, I'm not telling you what to do, but you may want to think about starting your own business, and so I did. 2014, bar Walk Productions was born and you know no pun intended, but we've been going hot and heavy ever since.

Kertia: 29:32

That is an amazing, incredible journey. Like and the way you told the story was cracking up, because I could literally imagine the panic in your whole body language.

Dave: 29:51

Oh, and there was a lot of panic. Trust me, it's hilarious.

Kertia: 29:57

But you know that is such an incredible life-changing experience. How did that change you personally? You know, I know it opened up a lot of doors for you, right, working with Tony Robbins, google, and then I know you also worked with NASA, heineken, a whole slew of companies, right, yeah, but how did that change you? You know your mind, internally, your heart. What did that do for you?

Dave: 30:27

Well, I realized that I had this skill set to really affect people in a profound way, I mean literally changed their lives forever, and so I just felt an incredible responsibility, if you will. You know, aa taught me, alcoholics Anonymous taught me early on. You know, you have the 12 steps that show you how to put your life back together. You have the 12 traditions that show you how to put your life back together. You have the 12 traditions that show you how to operate within the group. And then in the middle, you have what I call the preamble, and the preamble says when anyone anywhere reaches out, I want the hand of AA to be there, and for that I'm responsible. So when new people would walk in the door, I knew their life was on the line. So again, it's a tremendous responsibility, and that kind of spilled over into the whole firewalking thing, because I realized that the experience itself has been around for over a thousand years and cultures all around the world have used it for incredibly magical moments, from everything from a graduation to manhood womanhood marriages yeah.

Dave: 31:55

Yeah, all of it Right of passage Big time. And so there I was, at the top of my game and I realized, hey, if Google's going to call you, then who else can you do business with? And then, shortly after Google, I was at NASA, like you said, notre Dame, chick-fil-a, virginia Tech, remax, microsoft, heineken, the YMCA I mean every level, everything from a junior high school to Fortune 100 companies were getting a hold of you, getting a hold of us. And you know, we recently just made another big turn in what we do. I was on a podcast a couple of months ago and I got interviewed and I got asked a question and the question was have you ever done a firewalk for veterans? And I said, you mean specifically? And she said yeah, and I go no, why? And she said well, you know, we have 200 vets, uh, for this gala event and we'd love to talk to you about doing the firewalk for them, because we believe it's not only a life-changing but it's a life-saving experience and you know, the suicide rate amongst veterans is really high.

Kertia: 33:24

Yeah, very.

Dave: 33:25

And I said, yeah, it's like what I heard 22 a day. And she said, no, that's not even close, that's only if they leave a note. What yeah, they only count it if they leave a note. What yeah, they only count it if they leave a note. So it's closer to mid forties to fifties. Every single day, men and women are taking their life and I went okay, you got me. I'm a vet, I was raised by a vet, I grew up during the Vietnam era. Lots of friends and family that we lost to Vietnam. What can I do? I'm in, I'm all into health.

Kertia: 34:00

Yeah.

Dave: 34:01

And so we literally scheduled our first event in Modesto, california, april 12th and the 13th. We just did it, and so we went out to Modesto and the uh, the Rotary Club, the, the Sunshine Rotary Club, sponsored us and we had a couple of corporations that came out and sponsored it C3 Insurance out of San Diego, the American Weed Company, who's creating a cannabis product specifically for depression and PTSD and veterans, and they're doing an incredible job and they have a heck of an uphill battle because it's cannabis, it's been demonized.

Kertia: 34:50

Yeah.

Dave: 34:51

And so I'm like well, what would you rather have your loved one on Cannabis or fentanyl? Pretty easy decision, if you ask me. So, anyway, we went, we did it, we pulled it off. It was absolutely phenomenal. Uh, we had a really, really great time.

Dave: 35:10

And now that we've done the first one, we've got the model, um, we're going to, uh, do them all over the country. So, you know, corporate America has been really, really good to me. They, you know, they've hired me and I come in and create this incredible experience and you know it brings people back together. It unites people. When you take a group of people and they firewalk together, it connects them in a way that's unbelievable. And so now corporate America can hire us and it's a nonprofit, so they can hire or make a donation.

Dave: 35:52

I should say to Operation Do no Harm, and then Operation Do no Harm will hire Firewalk Productions, and then we come in, we create this incredible experience for the participants and we do all the work, we do all the heavy lifting, and then that company that hired us gets all the credit Right, gets all the credit Right, and so they can bring their employees and it creates a magical experience for that group that you know that company or group of whoever and, yeah, it was absolutely magical. So now that we got our first one under our belt, we've got calls coming in to do more of them. So we're in a position right now where we're pretty sure this is going to go viral, because it's already starting to show signs that it's going to do that. And so the other thing we did was we know veterans there's a high suicide rate there. But there's three other categories as well. One of those is first responders.

Kertia: 37:05

Yeah.

Dave: 37:06

High suicide rate there, especially amongst firefighters. And then single moms and then kids that have been abused and neglected. So now we have four categories. So a company can come in and go hey, you know, we're this company here and we make playgrounds, so we'd like to do something with kids and single moms. Another company could come in and go hey, we're, you know, we want to do first responders or we want to do vets, or both at the same time. We had vets and first responders at our event in Modesto. So now again, a company can come in and hire us and make a donation right, it's a complete write-off for them. And then again they just hire Firewalk Productions, and Firewalk Productions comes in and takes care of everything. So that's what we did in Modesto, and now we're talking about doing one in Colorado, we're talking about doing one in Annapolis for a bunch of Navy SEALs, and so we're real excited that you know we're at this point where we can go save as many of these men and women's lives as humanly possible.

Kertia: 38:24

That is just incredible. I'm so, so happy that it's all coming together Like everything is like full circle for you right now. That is amazing.

Dave: 38:35

For sure.

Kertia: 38:36

You know, you mentioned that you yourself you dealt with addiction. You started drinking and experimenting with drugs at a very young age, right. So, of course it is expected, starting out that young, that it would be much easier for you to develop an addiction issue and you've managed to be sober for a really long time. How many years is it this year?

Dave: 39:04

This year it'll be in June it'll be 36 years 36 years.

Kertia: 39:08

So you know, I'm just thinking about this journey that you've been on and I'm just like you know your journey being sober and everything that you've experienced. You know your journey being sober and everything that you've experienced. You know working with Tony Robbins, the firewalk and the opportunities that were presented to you Because of that. I can imagine how important all of that was as well, playing into your journey, just staying sober and staying on the path.

Dave: 39:37

Yeah, well, you know, I had a lot of help.

Kertia: 39:41

Yeah.

Dave: 39:42

AA is really, really good in that regard. They were fantastic. They took care of me from the first day that I showed up and they knew I was sick. They knew I was hurting really, really bad, and so they just latched on to me and they came to my house. They knew I was hurting really, really bad, and so they just latched onto me and they came to my house, they picked me up, they took me to lunch, they took me to meetings. They made sure I was working the steps. They made sure I got a sponsor. They made sure I had the literature so I could read at night when I'm home.

Dave: 40:13

It resonated with me, it worked. Um, it just. It resonated with me, it worked. You know, I've said before I've only, I've only really felt at home in a couple of places. One was an AA meeting. The other one was a gringy, crappy little bar somewhere in the middle of nowhere where I could go in the back and hide out and drink. And so it just. Aa just opened me up to life and the possibilities. And again, you know, I got sober and the personal development industry kind of collided in my life at the same time, and so that's why it was such a transitional part of my life? Um, cause, it was like both right, I had the best of both worlds or I was an AA. And you know when somebody walks in the door of AA. You know, like I said, the preamble says, when anyone anywhere reaches out, I want the hand of AA to be there, and for that I'm responsible, that's me. So I took that to heart and so you know that dynamic. And then the personal development industry. It just took over.

Kertia: 41:27

Yeah. Everything just kind of aligned for you.

Dave: 41:30

It was what.

Kertia: 41:31

Everything just came into alignment.

Dave: 41:34

Yes, yeah, oh yeah. On many occasions, going way back into my childhood, same thing.

Kertia: 41:44

Yeah.

Dave: 41:45

Because I was adopted when I was five years old, a couple of months before I was born. My biological father we're not really sure what happened, grisha he hurt his head.

Dave: 42:00

And in 1954, they put a plate in his head to save his life. Well, it also took his life. Oh no, a lot of pain, a lot of pain. And he complained to mom all the time about the pain and saying things like I'm not sure how long I can take it. And so, two months before I was born, he turned to mom and said I'm going to the grocery store. And we never saw or heard from him again. So we don't know what happened, but mom seemed to think that he definitely took his life because he talked about it a lot.

Dave: 42:33

So when I was born, I was born to a single mom. She already had two boys from another man and they were living. We were all living in a one-bedroom apartment. I had another cousin and my grandmother, so there were six of us living in a one-bedroom apartment. And mom was working up the street at the Roosevelt Hotel, nice hotel. She had a decent job. She just couldn't feed six people. So when I was five, she went to her older sister, pat, and said Pat, I can't feed David, will you adopt him? And Pat and Bob Albin said yeah, absolutely. And they did so. They moved me from Hollywood to Long Beach, california, and everything was great. It was fantastic for many years, until the first day of summer 1964. Literally the very first day of summer I'm sitting in the TV room watching, probably, cartoons, eating Cap'n Crunch or whatever cereal I'm eating. Mom comes and gets me and she said, david, come into the kitchen. Your father and I need to speak with you.

Kertia: 43:42

Yeah.

Dave: 43:43

Now what I think is going to happen is she's going to tell me where we're going camping that year, because we did a lot of that. We went to Yosemite and Big Bear and Yellowstone I mean, we went all over the place, yeah and she sets me down, down, and I'm like here and dad's here and mom's here, and she puts her hand on my arm and she goes David, what we need to tell you is we're not your parents. What, what do you mean? What, what does that mean? That's like taking somebody out and saying yeah, I know the sky looks blue, but it's not really blue. Yeah, looks pretty blue to me.

Kertia: 44:23

The confusion right oh yeah, big time.

Dave: 44:26

What do you mean? You're not my parents. And then she even went on to tell me she goes, by the way, your Aunt Dean, yeah, she's actually your biological mother. She gave birth to you. And I was like, I don't even like her, and you know why? Because she was. I thought she was weird. Yeah, because every time she wanted to be around me, or that every time she was around me, she was, was around me. She wanted to sit next to me, she wanted to put her arm around me, she wanted to hold me, she wanted to hug me. Well, duh, I'm her son, no kidding. And, by the way, it was never inappropriate, it was just she overshadowed me with love and affection, because she only got to be around me, you know, during certain times.

Dave: 45:19

Poor thing, yeah, exactly. And so I grew up with that. Well, and then, shortly after they told me this, both of them started drinking and that's when my life went boop, hard turn. What's going on here? And so things got bad. What's going on here? And so things got bad.

Dave: 45:38

You know, pat, when she would drink she was more of a I call her kind of a happy drunk. She'd pass out at the kitchen table. She wasn't mean, bob Bob. On the other hand, bob Albin, no, he was mean, he was violent. And so I had to start living with that and I became a gatekeeper for both of them. No-transcript, pat would drive me to the bar and I'd have to go in and go get my dad, and it was ugly, it wasn't fun, and again, he was pretty violent. So they went to the store one day and when they left I knew where the booze was and I'm like what is this stuff? Well, let's find out. And I'm 11 years old and I took a coffee cup and I poured it into a coffee cup. I knew where they were hiding it. They were hiding it in plain sight and it was brandy, big old, half gallon of it, poured it into the coffee cup.

Kertia: 46:39

You drank the brandy.

Dave: 46:42

I drank a half a glass or a half a cup of brandy in a coffee cup and you know what Kershaw. I never had a chance. I believe I was an alcoholic right on the spot. I started acting out right then and I was 11. By the time I was a junior in high school. They kicked me out. They brought me into the principal's office and said Albin out, you're a danger to our school. And I was. They did the right thing and the good news was, when they kicked me out, I had an entrepreneurial spirit. It was, like you know, when I was in high school it wasn't like I was learning anything that was going to make me money. I didn't believe that I learned how to make money when I was a kid. Like one job I had, I was a paper boy seven days a week, so the paper would drop the papers off underneath the San Diego freeway overpass and we would go there because it was dry.

Dave: 47:48

And we would load our papers into our saddlebags and then we would ride our bikes and we would throw them and deliver our papers and of course, you had to collect the money. You had to knock on doors when new people moved in. It was a business, you were an entrepreneur. I lived across the street from a golf course and here's what I learned about golfers early on they suck, they're horrible and they would hit balls over the fence. And I'd get on my bicycle and go ride the perimeter and guess what? I'd find Golf balls and I'd take them home and clean them. Then I'd go back to the golf course and in the trash where the clubhouse was, the box that the new balls would come in, they threw them out. Well, I'd take them and then I'd take the balls that I found and I'd put them in these boxes and I'd organize them.

Kertia: 48:41

You know Titleist, Max Fly, Dunlop, Wilson's and I'd go back to the parking lot on the golf course and you probably know what I did. Oh my God.

Dave: 48:52

I love that, that's resilience right there. Yeah, I sold golf balls back to the golfers.

Kertia: 48:58

Oh, my goodness.

Dave: 49:00

And mom grew beautiful flowers in the backyard. Let's keep in mind my parents, I believe, were the greatest generation of all time. They went through World War II, they went through the Great Depression.

Kertia: 49:12

Yeah.

Dave: 49:13

They were some of the most resourceful kick-ass people on earth, and mom knew how to do everything. You name it Cook clean, sew, grow flowers, grow food. You know she could do anything she had to. She was the oldest of seven kids and so, yeah, she grew beautiful flowers. Well, she would arrange them for me, she'd go and cut them. She had a beautiful eye for color and when she would take the flowers, she'd cut it at the bottom, at an angle, at an angle, and that opened up more surface area for the flower to get water.

Kertia: 49:50

Yeah.

Dave: 49:51

And then she'd arrange them, put a rubber band around them, put them in a bucket, put water in it and then she would put a splash of 7-Up in that water and that caused the flowers to outlast the florist 3-1.

Dave: 50:07

So it must be something in the sugar in the 7-Up that would cause those flowers to outlive the florist. So she sent me out on the street corner. I learned how to negotiate with adults at a young age selling flowers on a street corner, and here's what I learned Women would never negotiate Ever. How much are you charging? 50 cents, a bundle Boom. Here you go, kid. I want two Men wanted to negotiate all the time. Let's beat up the kid, so true.

Dave: 50:39

Right, and I would negotiate with the men. I'm like, no, they'd offer me less than I was asking yeah, and I would say no, no, they'd offer me less than I was asking yeah, and I would say no. And they'd say, well, why not? And I'd say, because the next guy that pulls up will pay me what I'm asking, yeah, so why would I give them away to you? You're a smart kid. Here's two bucks, you know. So if I gave them good reasons and stuff, sometimes they'd pay me more than I was asking. Women never did that.

Kertia: 51:12

Women never did that, they just what do you?

Dave: 51:14

how much you want? Great here's, here's, I'm going to pay you what you're asking. But men would try to negotiate you, and when you wouldn't you know cut them a deal, they'd pay you more, which I thought was interesting too. Yeah, so the bottom line is, when I got kicked out of high school, I was like I don't care.

Kertia: 51:33

Yeah.

Dave: 51:34

They're not teaching me anything that's going to make me money.

Kertia: 51:37

You already had practice at life, man.

Dave: 51:40

I had practice at life. I you know I was an entrepreneur. Here's what I learned early on as a kid there's money out there, go get it. And so that's just carried on my entire life.

Kertia: 51:53

That is amazing, like just thinking about everything that you're talking about. It's a really special experience because you literally get to witness people in a moment of panic, high anxiety, and then, on the other side, you get to see them overcome all of that, overcome their fear, and work through that. So what has it been like? What are the reactions on people's faces? In your body language? What do you notice? When people have done the walk, have been through it and they've gotten to the end of the line, what is that like for them?

Dave: 52:32

Well, you know, their whole life changes in four seconds. Yeah, I mean, when they're standing in front of the fire, it's fight or flight. Yeah, Fear is like at an all-time high and you're watching them. And then there's like this moment, this moment of reckoning, where they go boom, and you know we help them along the way. When Tony's got them in inside for 10 hours, obviously he's doing his job. When they get outside, there's a trainer there to help with that process. There's people you know, like I said, to come up to you and say you know, he or she knows when you're ready, when they say go, go, and then they disappear. So you've got that implanted in your head a couple of minutes before you actually firewalk.

Kertia: 53:17

Yeah.

Dave: 53:18

And then they're watching everybody else do it. Typically, there's three types of people that firewalk. There's ones that go nope, ain't doing it. No, thank you, that was you, that's me, that's this guy. And then you've got the other people that go. You know what I'm going to do this? I'm going to watch Kershaw, and if she does it, then I'll do it.

Kertia: 53:42

Yeah.

Dave: 53:43

Right, you wait for somebody else. And then you got the other people that come out there and go I'm doing it. They're just going to push through that fear and again, it is one of the most life-changing experiences ever and we know that because the next morning we look at them. You got 3,500 people that come into the venue on day two after they do the firewalk and you want to see them. Their confidence level, their self-belief, their self-confidence, their self-worth is raised up. And it's done as a group. So you moved as a unit and that's the beauty. That's why people hire me is because if they want to influence the entire company, then the firewalk experience is a way to do it.

Dave: 54:28

We also do the board break. So I combine two really powerful experiences. So we take a board it's a martial arts move. They do it in dojos all around the country and I have them write something on front of the board they want to move towards.

Dave: 54:43

I have something they write something on back of the board they need to move away from, and then I have them write anything on the board anybody's name on the board that they've lost, yeah. And then I have them write anything on the board if something they need to move away from. And then I also have them write anybody's name on the board that they're in conflict with. So if forgiveness or reconciliation is part of that relationship, then I have them write that on the board as well. So then they break the board, we go outside, they do the firewalk, they throw the board into the fire, I do a heart hug at the event, which puts everybody together and their hearts start beating at the same time. Yeah, so I do that like six times with the whole group and the next thing, you know, the entire group's heart are beating at the same time. So we do that. And so again, I'm trying to create one of the top 10 experiences in their life.

Kertia: 55:48

Yeah, it's really life-changing because you know there's just so much that we have to work through. But when you do that collectively, as a group. It's so impactful.

Dave: 56:01

Yes.

Kertia: 56:02

Right, Extremely impactful. So I can only imagine right, Because you speaking about the experience that you had and now just like retelling some of the stories of how you've also led other people through that experience. When you come out of something like that, your energy is just different right. You're all the way up here.

Dave: 56:23

And if you want to see that with your own eyes, go Google Oprah's firewalk, you can see it for yourself.

Kertia: 56:32

Yeah.

Dave: 56:32

Because before she walks, she's losing her shit. I will tell you, she's all over the place, she's scared to death. It's like should we do it, should we not do it? Oh my gosh, we've got to go to Africa, we've got this going on. So she's looking, for all these reasons, not to do it. And then there's this moment, sherry, who's there with her, which, who, at the time, was in charge of Harpo? And Sherry's like come on, oprah, we need to do this. Tony Robbins isn't going to let us get hurt. And then, all of a sudden, she goes you're right, sherry, come on, let's do this. And then Sherry's like well, wait, wait a minute. Maybe we should think about this a little more. It was so funny. She convinced her. And then it was like oh my god, I went too far with it.

Dave: 57:15

But then you watch her and then she firewalks and within four seconds she goes from scared to death. I'm not going to do it too. This is one of the greatest moments of my life, and she literally walks over and the cameras go with her and she makes one of the biggest business decisions of her entire life right there on camera, and so that's indicative of what a firewalk will do.

Kertia: 57:44

What doesn't challenge you, doesn't change you right.

Dave: 57:46

That's exactly right. Yeah, you know, I write that, I say it all the time, and when you're in that type of a state, in a peak state like that, that's the best place to make major decisions from.

Kertia: 58:00

Yes, yes.

Dave: 58:02

A hundred percent. So you're way, way, way, way above the line, as we like to say, and that firewalk got her there. So she literally started the next chapter, which was part of Harpo, again within a minute or so of her firewalking. Amazing, so you can see it live on camera. You don't have to take my word for it, you can go watch it for yourself.

Kertia: 58:27

I love that. I love that. I love that. Thank you for reminding me of that.

Dave: 58:31

Well, part of the lesson is you know, you can walk on coals that are a thousand degrees and not hurt and burn yourself. So if that's the case, what else can you do? Yeah, when I do my seminars, I put a picture of a guy on the screen behind me and his name is Eric Weinmeier, and so where he's standing in the world it looks pretty obvious. So I'll talk for 20 minutes and then I'll say hey, by the way, who here can tell me where my friend Eric is standing? And somebody in the crowd will go Mount Everest and I'll say that's correct. And, by the way, eric has climbed the seven highest mountains on earth and he got to the top, to the summit of all seven, and what you're seeing here is Mount Everest.

Dave: 59:21

Now, put the boy on a mountain bike and he can ride it down the mountain. Put him on a kayak he can navigate it down the mountain. Put him on a kayak he can navigate it down the river. But here's what you don't know about Eric, that you should know he's blind, really. So I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear your lame-ass excuse about why you can't do something If a blind man can climb the seven highest mountains on this planet. What do you think you can do? You know. Viktor Frankl, I think, left us one of the greatest clues any human being has ever left us about life and how to live it and what to do. Viktor Frankl, if you don't know, he wrote the book Man's Search for Meaning and he was in Auschwitz, and here's what he learned early on.

Dave: 1:00:15

By the way, they assassinated his family. They take everything from you. You'd be standing outside with a bunch of other people, naked, cold, haven't eaten in days. And here's what you don't know every day Are you the next one to go to the chamber? You're living with that every second. Imagine how stressful that is, not knowing whether you're going to die a horrible death that day. And so what Victor figured out was they can take everything from you except one thing your attitude. You have to give that up, you have to relinquish that. And so Victor said nope, I ain't doing it. And here's why, because someone has to tell this story. And so he tapped into the number one driving force in our lives. And that's purpose. He had purpose, and that's purpose. He had purpose, and that's what got him out. That's why he lived.

Kertia: 1:01:14

Yeah.

Dave: 1:01:14

Same thing for all your listeners. There's the key when the purpose is high enough, when the why is big enough, oh, you'll find a way. Yeah, that's the way the human brain works. And again, if a man can climb the seven highest mountains on this planet and he could do it blind then there's probably not much any of your listeners can't do, and that goes for you and I as well. So, yeah, you want to change your life, change your story.

Kertia: 1:01:49

Yes.

Dave: 1:01:50

Because everything that happens to you, whether it's good or bad, you assign a story to it, you make it up, you want to change your life, change your story, and so it just comes down to that. It's really quite that simple.

Kertia: 1:02:06

That's exactly what it is.

Dave: 1:02:08

Yeah, that's why I put a picture of Eric on the wall when I'm doing my events. I do it to purposely mess with their head. Come on, stop. Look, if you don't want to succeed, don't. But my thing is stop negotiating with yourself. Yeah, if you say you're going to get out of bed at 7 o'clock in the morning and go to the gym, then get your happy ass up and go. Don't negotiate with yourself. Well, I'm just going to sleep five more minutes. Yeah, well, I got news for you. That's a really bad thing and place to get yourself. I'm 70 years old, guess?

Kertia: 1:02:44

how many medications I'm on None Zero. You look great, though, well, thank you. You look great, though, well, thank you. You look great, dave, well thank you.

Dave: 1:02:54

That's amazing, oh shucks. And I follow a guy, one of my mentors is a guy by the name of Gary Brecka. Gary's a very interesting dude. Go look him up, go Google him. Gary Brecka, b-r-e-c-k-hmm. So he worked for the insurance companies. So if Kershaw wanted a $50 million policy, the insurance company would say, sure, no problem, give us your blood. We're going to send it off to Gary. Let's take a look at what we got.

Kertia: 1:03:38

Yeah.

Dave: 1:03:43

Gary could tell you when you were going to die to the month. Wow, he's that good. And the challenge with Gary was the insurance company wouldn't let him help those people, Because he could look at their blood and say hey, you know, if you do this, this and this, you could add 10 years to your life.

Kertia: 1:04:00

Yeah.

Dave: 1:04:01

They wouldn't let him do that. So one day he went that's it, I'm done. I quit and he started his own organization. And now that's what he does. That's it, I'm done. I quit and he started his own organization. And now that's what he does he helps people live lives like a superhuman.

Dave: 1:04:17

So how do you do that? Well, like Dave, what's the first thing you do when you get up in the morning? Make my bed First thing. Always I go outside and when the sun's coming up, I expose my upper torso to that morning sunlight First 45 minutes. There's no ultraviolet rays. I'm influxing and infusing, I should say, my body with vitamin D. Naturally, while I'm doing this, I do deep diaphragmic breathing. So I do, I take 30 breaths Because they're really intense, like and I do 30 of those, and it's not easy, I'm going to tell you. Then, after I do 30 of those and it's not easy, I'm going to tell you Then, after I do 30 of those, I hold my breath. I do that three times 90 breaths, hold my breath three times after each set of 30.

Kertia: 1:05:25

And I influx my body with oxygen.

Dave: 1:05:26

It's the best thing you can give your body, because guess what? Disease can't hang out where oxygen's present Can't do it. They say that cancer won't survive in an oxygenated environment, so oxygen is literally one of the most important things we can give our body.

Kertia: 1:05:43

Yeah.

Dave: 1:05:44

Then, when I'm done with that, I go to the other side of my cabin and I do earthing, grounding, grounding, yeah. Then when I'm done with that, I go to the other side of my cabin and I do earthing, grounding, grounding, yeah. I put my bare feet on the planet and I go put it on the grass.

Kertia: 1:05:59

I love that you know.

Dave: 1:06:00

Yeah, it's really good for you.

Kertia: 1:06:02

So good, so good.

Dave: 1:06:04

Nine minutes every morning and then I'm doing some other breathing and meditation. When I do that, then I come into the house. I read my 10 pages in a good book every day. Want to change your life? Read 10 pages in a good book every day. 10 pages a day times a year is 3,650 pages.

Kertia: 1:06:25

How many?

Dave: 1:06:26

books. Is that a year?

Kertia: 1:06:28

10?. That's really that a year 10?, 11?

Dave: 1:06:30

12? It just depends. Do you think if you read 12 really good books every year, that might influence your life? You think. And then I do some sound therapy, and then I go take my shower. I take a really hot shower. I soap up, do everything like we all do, and then at the end I turn it off and I set a timer for three minutes and I take a cold shower. Now I live in the Appalachian Mountains. The mountain water coming into my cabin is 57 degrees. That's pretty cold, yeah. And when it hits me in the face in the morning it takes my breath away, literally. Oh my gosh, yeah, I do it every morning and I've been doing it for over a year.

Kertia: 1:07:21

Yeah, I heard that cold baths are really good for you.

Dave: 1:07:24

They're super good.

Kertia: 1:07:25

Yeah.

Dave: 1:07:26

I was on a podcast here a couple weeks ago and the guy goes hey, dave, let me ask you. So when you do those cold showers, it gets easier, right? And I'm like, no, no, it does not. It takes my breath away every time. My body doesn't like well, it does like it, but I don't like it because it doesn't feel good, it takes you out of your comfort zone, especially when you've taken a really hot shower. So you went from hot to cold and so, yeah, stand there for three minutes with cold water pouring on you at 57 degrees. But what it does for your body? Because it takes all your capillaries and your veins and arteries and it causes them to constrict and it moves all the blood to the inside to protect your vital organs in your brain. And then your liver releases an enzyme, yeah, and it pushes inflammation out of you like crazy. Yeah, you're right, it's super, super good for you.

Kertia: 1:08:23

And your metabolism too.

Dave: 1:08:25

Yeah, and, by the way, those are all free. Not one of those things. If you listen to Gary and go study what he teaches, that's free. Go outside and breathe the diaphragmic breathing that's free. Go expose yourself to the sunlight that's free. Go put your feet on the planet barefooted that, and then you know your cold water. Now I'm lucky. I live in the appalachian mountains. I live at 3500 feet. I've got mountain water coming into my cabin, yeah, so I get to shower and drink mountain water yeah, look at you yeah, look at me, go look at you, dave, I love it.

Dave: 1:09:03

Mountain water out of a mason jar. Don't ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever drink tap water from a municipality, ever Period. And I can talk for 45 minutes on your show. I won't.

Kertia: 1:09:22

We yeah.

Dave: 1:09:23

Right, and I don't drink water out of plastic containers if possible. Right, and I don't drink water out of plastic containers, if possible. So when I'm traveling, if I can find water in a glass container, then I know that the plastic hasn't leached into the water, because when water gets to 120 degrees in, a plastic bottle.

Kertia: 1:09:45

Guess what happens.

Dave: 1:09:46

It leaches into the water. Okay, I don't want to drink that, because I know that water is one of the most important things that we do every single day. Our bodies are 70% water.

Kertia: 1:09:58

Yep.

Dave: 1:09:59

So do you think the quality of the water that you drink might be important?

Kertia: 1:10:05

You think?

Dave: 1:10:06

Absolutely so. Anyway, that's Kershaw, that's my story and I'm sticking with it.

Kertia: 1:10:18

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