The Other Side of Fear
The most important life hack you'll need: A Holistic Guide to Get You Unstuck.
Self improvement topics covering mental health, trauma, limiting beliefs, mindset, spirituality, energy healing, mindfulness, and purpose.
The Other Side of Fear explores thought provoking stories about the types of fears that are triggered by our individual insecurities, conditioning and past traumas. We examine the role of societal conventions and how they function as a strong determinant, in how we often choose to address our most personal struggles.
Our guests discuss how they navigate through various challenges, while taking ownership of their true desires. Giving you a gentle push, to live in a way that honors your authenticity. What does it mean to lean into fear? How can we recreate our stories and embrace the unknown? What does the other side of fear look like for you?
This is a reminder that, your fears are as big and as scary as you allow them to be. Your purpose is greater than the fear that hinders you.
The Other Side of Fear
Unlocking the Pathways of the Soul Across Time | with Katische Haberfield
Key Takeaways:
- Listening to your body and it's signals is a great way to improve intuition.
- How you feel around certain people or environments is usually an indicator of the type energy surrounding them.
- The energy that you attract, is usually a mirror of some aspect of yourself and your life.
Have you ever felt a strange connection to a place you've never been, or experienced a case of deja vu so strong it left you wondering about a past life? Katische Haberfield joins me to shed light on the mysteries of our existence, revealing how past life experiences and soul obstructions may be shaping our current reality. Our dialogue intertwines personal anecdotes with Katische's expertise in soul-based prognosis, unraveling the threads of past incarnations and the profound effects they can have on our present-day hurdles, such as persistent financial issues or romantic entanglements.
This episode touches on a spiritual journey and delves into the delicate dance between spirituality, free will, and the confines of religious dogma. Katische and I peel back layers of societal norms and spiritual constraints, examining how they may limit our souls' expression and how direct engagement with spiritual energy can unleash freedom and creativity.
We wrap up our metaphysical expedition by touching upon the transformative effects of energy awareness, the significance of spirit animals and guides, and the impact of healing methodologies such as Apometrics and sound therapy. Discover how these tools can aid in the scan of an individual's soul across lifetimes, addressing deep-seated issues and enabling profound growth. If you're intrigued by the possibility of unlocking the secrets to your soul's journey, you won't want to miss the insights woven throughout our conversation. For more of Katische's wisdom, be sure to give a listen to her podcast, The Infinite Life, where she continues to explore healing and spirituality.
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Hey, there you're listening to the Other Side of Fair Podcast, where we talk about how personal affairs has hindered your ability to take that next step that will get you to where you aspire to be. What will it take for you to stop playing small and start playing big? Let's get into it. There are so many great takeaways in this episode. This conversation with Katesh Haprefield was personally so insightful for me and the journey that I've been on.
Kertia:We explore a lot of spiritual concepts and, even if you find some of the ideas a bit challenging, there is just so much value in Katesh's work which reminds us of just how powerful our intuition is and how important it is for us to listen to our bodies.
Kertia:For example, Katesh spoke about paying keen attention to how you feel whenever you are around certain people and in certain environments, because how you feel around people and places is often a sign of the type of energy surrounding them, and one thing that came to mind for me is maybe being out somewhere with friends at an event and at some point, for whatever reason, you're just not feeling the vibes anymore. You might even feel uncomfortable or feel uneasiness, only for you to leave and later find out that some unfortunate situation happened and that might be a more extreme example, but even in regular day-to-day situations, we know who we feel good around and we know who we don't feel good around. Just saying this to say that usually what we feel in our bodies are great signals. That tells us exactly what we need to know. We just have to pay attention to it. Okay, awesome, Katesh. I'm so happy to have you here with me today to have this really intriguing conversation.
Katische:Thank you so much, Keshia, for having me.
Kertia:That means it. So you're a specialist in complex, soul-based prognosis. What does that mean and how did you get into that line of work?
Katische:Okay. So what I do is I look for obstructions to the soul. So what that means is we are not just a human being named Katesh or whatever your name is, listener. You have lived many, many lifetimes and, if we want to actually be precise for each soul, 144 incarnations, and so there is no such thing as linear time. Time stacks, if you want to think of it, like a vertical stacking, multi-high-rise kappa, for example, and all lifetimes happen at the same time. So what can be happening in one lifetime can be impacting you in this lifetime without you realizing it.
Katische:So what I call an obstruction, things that are inexplicable, that are hampering your life in the now moment. So you might say to me I should be seeing results in a certain area of my life. Let's just pick a really popular one money. I have done everything that I should to be abundant. I followed and learned about all of the spiritual laws and I understand about everything. I've read books on money and I'm financially literate and I have a job and I understand abundance and gratitude and all the things that the average person would have done. I've taken a few courses on money and all the other participants. They manifested amazing things in their lives, but me I'm still broke, or me I'm more than broke, I'm desperate. Or me I'm bankrupt, or me like I can't feed my children. And not that it's just happened once, but this is a recurring cycle, right?
Kertia:Yeah.
Katische:The key for people that come to me is it's a recurring cycle. They will do something, they'll learn something more, they'll shift something, but then they'll end up right at the same point. So it doesn't matter if it's about a money block or a romantic block or a physical illness or anything Whatever the theme is that is troubling you in your life and you feel like you feel cursed or really blocked to a level that nobody has been able to explain to you. They're the kind of people that I work with. I help uncover what it is that is actually holding you back and, generally speaking, it's not this lifetime.
Kertia:Wow, that's mind blowing. I think that it will be really interesting trying to understand that concept of a past lifetime or maybe another lifetime that's happening at the same time. That is really challenging to kind of wrap your head around. How do you explain that to someone who does not understand this idea, this concept?
Katische:All right. So people who I work with have to understand past lives. That's the first thing. Otherwise I won't work with them because it's too complex a condition. If you haven't got your head around past lives, the easiest thing that I can explain to you is have you ever had a really strong sense of deja vu, like you've gone somewhere? You get deja vu. You get deja vu for a reason and, generally speaking, you have crossed a location in time where there is energy that matches your soul. You have been in that place exactly before.
Kertia:Yeah.
Katische:And that's probably the easiest one to wrap your head around, because you can say, oh, this place gives me the creeps, or this place I love it, I feel so at home in this location, or you had some kind of weird sensation. So do you have an example yourself of somewhere where you've had deja vu?
Kertia:Yeah, I have been into, like, for example, when I've traveled. There are times when I feel like I've been there before, or there are times when I listen to certain types of classical music and I feel connected to the music and the time in which the music was being created. Sometimes I even get images when I listen to certain classical pieces. So that happens, that has happened to me and I have a huge affinity to certain types of classical music.
Katische:Okay, that's a really good example, and especially if you get an image in your mind. So this is where people can get confused. Some people might say, okay, so I listened to let's make it up, mozart, and pick your concerto, and I had an emotional reaction to this. So therefore I must have been Mozart in past life. No, but there is a clue in that and it's your job to discover what the clue is.
Katische:Maybe it is you were a student of Mozart, a teacher of Mozart, a best friend, a lover, somebody who worked with him, or you could have been somebody who played that piece of music, or you know, there's a million different examples of how you could be linked to that piece of music, but you actually. It's a breadcrumb, and so the stronger we allow ourselves to get these breadcrumbs, the stronger you will get an understanding about why it is that you are connected. And, generally speaking, the only reason that you would get a deja vu is as a clue, because there's something that needs to be healed from that lifetime or there's something that your higher self wants you to bring into this lifetime.
Kertia:Wow, I never thought about it in that way.
Katische:So I'll give you an example. My soul has been a singer in a lifetime. Right, maeve, I can't sing to save myself, but when I picked up the clue and worked this out, I realized that whenever I am low in energy, I can put a particular piece of music on made by that singer, and it's like having I don't know 24 Gatorades Bing. I'm energised, it energises my soul, and it took me a while to figure that one out. It took a lot of clues, but basically you become a detective in your own life and you can use meditation and simple past life regression sessions with either a facilitator, professional, or there's plenty of regression sessions on YouTube that you can listen to. But the thing is, with a professional you get it precisely. But when you go into meditation or you journal or however you want to, however you creatively explore, your soul will show you eventually where these keys, these clues, are going to go, and then you will learn is this something that is upsetting me? And then you can just go down the path of why. And if it's not upsetting me but it's energising me, then you go forward with that and you bring more of that into your life until you find out why that is meant to be helpful, because it may just simply boost you, like, for example, the singing one I had or it may be meant to bring people into your life from that sector. It may send you to a record store an old fashioned record store to go by an old fashioned vinyl and you're going to accidentally trip over or bump into somebody who's meant to come into your life. Do you know what I mean?
Katische:Yeah, these clues happen for a reason, and so for people who don't believe or have never had that experience basically just being aware of your surroundings and aware of your emotions and your feelings and allowing the universe to give you clues, more than the one one one's, two, two's and three, three, three's that you might see but physical clues in your own life are going to be the first thing that are going to make you more open to seeing it as an adventure rather than something to be afraid of.
Katische:And when you see it as an adventure, you're going to get more clues and more. If you shut it down, then your spirit guides are just going to be saying, no, she's not ready, she's not ready. So, yeah, have a look back and see where these clues are showing you, and travel is usually the best way that we get exposed to deja vu. I have so many examples myself, but it because we end up back at the same spot we've been seeing before and it can be very, very powerful. Sometimes you may not remember that deja vu to 20 years later and go, oh yeah, and then something will tick like and then you'll be like, oh right, and it will fall into place. But it'll come when your soul is ready to investigate that.
Kertia:Definitely amazing and I love that you pointed out that sometimes, when you mentioned your spirit guides, kind of just saying okay, maybe she's not ready or maybe he's not ready being the result of you having that fear of the unknown, of getting into spirituality, that deep end of spirituality because a lot of us are.
Kertia:I've also struggled with that myself and I know a few people very close to me who have very strong spiritual gifts but they tend to shut it down. I've done the same thing myself. That's of the fear and what society tells you about these spiritual gifts and who's allowed to have them and who's not allowed to have them, and who's allowed to use them and who's not allowed to use them. So how is it that you kind of worked your way around that learning that? Was it an open thing for you? Were your family members open to spirituality and those ideas and exploring that? Or did you also receive that religious or societal conditioning whereby you're taught that these things are? A lot of people say that it is of the devil and all these sorts of things. But how did you work your way around all of that?
Katische:So I live in Australia. In Australia, I would have to say, we're very laid back. When I was growing up for myself and the kids in my community, everyone went to Sunday school. So whatever religion you were brought up in, you went to your Sunday school and probably most of them were either from a very religious family or totally atheist family or somewhere in the middle line. My parents were kind of like this my dad said to me you're going to church, I'm going to drop you a church and I'm going to sit in the car park reading the newspaper. I'm not going inside. I've done my time. It's my responsibility as your parent to make sure you get a basic religious education. But I found out what I needed to know and I'm done All right. So I went to church every Sunday and I love going to church and I love the church camps and I can still remember the little Jesus songs. And then one day I said to dad I've had enough and he goes, all right, no worries. And we didn't go again.
Katische:So my family is a little bit different. I have to tell you like my mum was brought up in a Catholic family, my dad was brought up in a Protestant family and in Australia at the time that was a big thing. You didn't intermarry in the same religion. But by the time it was my generation, people didn't care. It's like who cares. To give an example, my auntie married a Catholic and she had to convert to Catholicism. So I tell you that as a base to the story.
Katische:So my parents were like whatever. They were not spiritual in any way, shape or form. We didn't talk about religion or spirituality. We never talked about anything to do with God or anything spiritual, creating a universe, any kinds of gifts, ghosts, saints, angels, nothing. It's not that it was forbidden, it just wasn't discussed. It wasn't something that my parents were interested in.
Katische:So I didn't have that kind of an upbringing which said you must, you shall not. It was a very laissez-faire. But I have a kind of a soul that is rebellious in its own way. So I knew that I had a trouble with authority figures on being in trouble with the law or gone to jail. But I always have questioned leaders, especially when they say things that are against my knowing. And it was only when I started doing my own past life regression sessions that I understood why I had a problem with being told what to do and that came from many past lives in different religions. So on my podcast I have recordings of me as a monk, for example, and you can listen to me going back into a past life to understand the trauma that I experienced, trying to stand up for myself and my beliefs about what God didn't didn't do when I was a monk in the United Kingdom.
Kertia:That is crazy. I hate to listen to that.
Katische:I've also been a Buddhist monk in Nepal and in Tibet, and the very first episode of my podcast starts out by me relaying the story where I had a past life deja vu with a Tibetan Buddhist monk and I realized he was my mother. That's where I, you know officially my journey started here. So I guess I'm a little bit different in that I have never taken no for an answer when it comes to the things that I truly believe, and I'm not obtuse. What I tend to do when I observe myself historically is if you tell me no and you say the religious law says XYZ about who can do this and who can't do that, I might get really emotional and upset about that. But I will then go and study the stuff and find out why, and if I still have the reason for no, then I will act on my conscience rather than what the statute or law says.
Katische:So I guess I have been blessed in a way that over my incarnations I have had the experience with lots of different religions to get a fairly good, solid grounding in well in this religion. I believe this and I didn't gel with me. And then I was born in this one and I still didn't gel with me and what's the common denominator about what it doesn't gel with me? And, generally speaking, it's about authority and who gets the permission to communicate with source or God In every one of these lifetimes. There's another one where I'm a Brahmin in India.
Katische:That's also on the podcast that you can listen to, and I'm pulling out my hair in this episode about back in the day in my past life, and you can hear me because I'm in such a deep trance because I could not understand the caste system, and one of the things I say in this past life regression is why do you keep sending me back to relive these religious lifetimes over and over again? None of these messages are what I believe in and I can't understand why they are misinterpreting the word of the Creator so badly, so I can't give you my authority on this.
Katische:I can't give you my authority on that. It's one of those things where I say you have to find the knowing within yourself, but know that fear as a way to hold yourself back is not the answer. You have to look at whether somebody giving you a set of rules that you don't agree with and you complying to them, whether that is boxing your soul and pushing you down or whether that is enabling you. The truth is that the Creator whatever you want to call Him, heard they wishes you to experience joy, freedom and explore your creation. That's why you were created to create, and the Creator doesn't wish to box you in, because the Creator gave human beings on earth free will. If you had not given free will, it would be totally different, but it was one of the blessings.
Katische:Since we were given free will, there have been mistruths constructed for the entire scope of humanity to reign that free will in, because we are frightened of free will. Just look at it with your own children. If you give them 100% free will, no rules, no nothing, let them do whatever they want, does it somewhere inside make you afraid? What if they hurt themselves? What if they get killed? What if they get run over. What if they do the wrong thing? What if they say something that's going to embarrass me?
Katische:And so religion and society has basically gone. What if my children do? Let me give them some rules, then I feel safe and then they can feel safe. But the truth of it is that safety hems you in and is limiting the expression and the creation of your soul. And as you allow yourself to deconstruct and crumble down those walls that you've allowed to be built up around you because you have free will, so you allowed them to be created around you as you remove one brick at a time, you will genuinely feel more confident in yourself and you will take the trading wheels off and realize that you don't need those rules, but you'll also be grateful that you had them until you were ready to let go of them.
Kertia:Yeah, of course, I think that when you have that, it also plays the role that it needs to play in order to get you to where you need to be eventually.
Katische:Yes.
Kertia:So I love that. With that being said, I'd like to know. First of all, it's really interesting having experienced lifetimes that were heavily focused on religion and just coming into this lifetime and having parents that are not religious, not spiritual I just thought that was really interesting when you were talking about that. So I guess that cycle didn't get repeated in this lifetime. Yeah, that's right, it's really good. But I can only imagine. But how did you get into working directly with spiritual energy, with the energy and entities? Yeah, how did that begin?
Katische:Yeah, basically because I was given and blessed with a childhood that had no obstructions. Okay, so most people come out of childhood skathe, harmed, hurt or have some kind of trauma, right?
Kertia:Mm-hmm.
Katische:Sure, I had embarrassing moments in childhood, but generally speaking I was gifted with a solid family without any major issues. Okay, so that the issues would then be gifted to me once I left home. My choice this time around was not to have the childhood be the thing that limited me in the adulthood, but to let all the mayhem happen in the adulthood. And it happened. So I had a very conservative career that just went nowhere. So when I finished high school I went to university, and from university I went straight back into university and did my master's degree, and then I worked in management consulting and became a university lecturer.
Katische:It wasn't until I tried to take those career paths somewhere that I started realizing that I just wasn't getting anywhere. All the people who had said, oh, you'll be this, this, this and this by this age or this age nothing ever manifested. I only manifested bad jobs and bad experiences, bad relationships. I was like what am I doing wrong? And then I got married and I had two children and short success. And then I got divorced. At the same time my dad got terminal cancer and a friend became locked in. So within 12 months I had my world collapse around me and I had gone back to Christianity to try and figure out what was going on with my marriage and then just found that I wasn't getting any answers. So I then went to Buddhist retreats to try their approach, because I was trying the spiritual approach right, the religious approach.
Katische:And that's when I started to get these past live deja vu's happening and it was from that point that I started to try to do my own businesses. And I can't tell you how many businesses I've tried and none of them worked. I was like, yeah, but I've done all the courses, I've studied all the things, I've got all the books doing everything. That's right. There is something that is impacting me and it wasn't until lockdown COVID lockdown that I was drawn to crystal singing bowls. I don't look like a crystal singing bowl playing hippie, as I would call it like but I had a really intense perimenopause experience. So I started to go into perimenopause in my early 40s 42, I think it was and I started teaching about it because it was very early and I teach what I need to learn. And anyway, I realized that the physical symptoms in the body are the body's way of communicating what you need to release. Basically, when you go through menopause, what you haven't released is going to express itself in the various areas of your body. So if you haven't spoken up for yourself, you're going to get throat cancer or thyroid issues. If you haven't expressed your divine fandom, you're going to get breast cancer issues. If you haven't transmuted sexual trauma, you're going to get vaginal issues, ovarian issues, whatever it is, hot flushes, are anger coming out, and so I was like, okay, I'm going to lean into this.
Katische:I started to get really just bleeding like you just would not believe, like months and months on end, like hysterectomy level. But I leaned into it and one day I went to a sound healing. So I was in essential oils at the time like every other person on the on the universe. It felt like at that moment I was a doTERRA essential oils rep. And so I went to a doTERRA training and they had this amazing sound healer who had a didgeridoo, which is the Australian First Nations instrument, and a whole bunch of other sound healing tools, as well as singing bowls and crystal singing bowls. Anyway, at this stage I had been bleeding for months. I could not barely walk right and within 24 hours of that sound healing the bleeding stopped.
Katische:And I was like oh, hang on a minute here. This is interesting. So then, being me, I threw myself into understanding sound healing and got trained in sound healing, and it was at that moment, when I connected with energy and how energy can heal, that things changed for me. During the crystal singing bowls tapped into an ability to use the singing bowls to take people on shamanic journeys, I was like what, which was a past life thing coming in? And as I started doing the shamanic journeys because I was very successful at healing womb trauma for people suddenly I realized I could take people into past lives. So I started to train in past life regression therapy, but I use the singing bowls as the method to take them into the trance rather than my voice, and the story is going somewhere. But as soon as I started doing past life regressions, my cats began to show me when there were big ghosts entering my house.
Katische:And I was like what is happening here? In a short period of time, I have suddenly been able to do all these things I've never been able to do. And then now there are ghosts in my house and my cat can see them. Like what kind of universe have I stepped into? What kind of alternate reality? Because you know, I don't even believe in ghosts, but you know they're here.
Katische:What was happening was that the ghosts were coming from the sessions that I was doing past life. Regression therapy doesn't teach you to look for ghosts in a session. It doesn't teach you to cross over past lives. It just assumes that you're accessing a memory and pretty much that's it. But these people were in my house and they were saying hello, we're actually. We haven't gone to the other side yet, even though you saw us in that past life. You need to cross us over and I was like what the heck? Like how do I? How do I? What do I?
Katische:And, of course, in my usual self, I started researching on the internet and came across Tina Irwin, who has some prayers and some books on ghosts, and I taught myself to cross ghosts over, and it's just gone from there pretty much, and the more that I've learned about the soul and the soul's journey and what you face in different past lives, the more I have interacted with every form of spirit, both good and bad, that there can be, as I'm being taught what there is in the invisible world, so that I can help people confront, face and heal the things that are attacking them from the spiritual world and to find out why these blocks are there and not to position the client as a victim but as somebody who needs healing in that part of the life, so they can find the lesson, heal it and move forward to take their power back, because we have to have radical responsibility and understand we weren't a saint in every single lifetime.
Kertia:That is true.
Katische:So that's a really long answer. So I'll let you pick apart whatever you want to know more about from that long word.
Kertia:I enjoyed it. I really. It's really intriguing. Everyone's journey on that spiritual path is so different and so varied. There are some people who literally started doing this as children and some people who never believed in any of this, never knew of it, and then they get into a certain stage in their adulthood and bam, it just kind of hits them like wildfire. So I love it, I love it. I'd like to know can you tell us a bit about the different types of energies or entities that you've encountered?
Katische:So we're always surrounded and it just depends upon what you're willing to allow as to what you can interact with. So the very first I guess the easiest way for people to get aware of what's around them is to meet their spirit guides and their spirit animals. So spirit animals is a fun one. I have a friend, cindy Porter, and there are lots of animal communicators out there, but she, her specialty is taking people to the Kashuk Records to meet their spirit animal guides.
Kertia:Nice.
Katische:Right and it's very simple. It's just you literally do a meditation and then she takes you up and I'm always, when I do sessions with her, I'm like Jack in the Beanstalk climbing up this talk. She's like nobody else on earth. Is Jack in the Beanstalker T-shirt the only person I've ever seen try and climb their way up to the Kashuk Records? Everyone else just floats. But you climb off, you go, and as I was climbing, I'm like there's a snake and then there's a puma and there's this and this, and I was afraid of them and she's like well, if they're here, they're here for a reason. And anyway, I opened my world to the fact that I was surrounded by by animals. I was like, huh, I've only got a cat. I didn't think that I was particularly an animal person. Anyway, when you meet your spirit animals, then suddenly you see these animals everywhere and you learn to understand what the animals represent. And, generally speaking, they're here to show you the strengths. The strength of that animal is here to show you your strength or your weakness, and so you can call in the spirit animals to help you. So I've got a billion different spirit animals. My logo on my website is a massive green and blue Phoenix called Malachi because that's one of my spirit guides, malachi and I actually now can feel when Malachi comes into the room because he lands on my shoulder and it's heavy. I didn't used to be able to feel them at all, but he's heavy. I'm like, oh, move over, that's heavy. So that's a fun way to get into.
Katische:It is to learn about animals and spirit guide animals. Your pet is your easiest way. Your pet isn't your pet because you bought them from a pet store. They chose you, whether it's your goldfish, your cat, your dog, your turtle, your pet iguana, whatever it is. That pet chose you for a specific reason and the mind blowing thing is your pet. It's usually been with you in other past lives. They haven't always been a cat or a dog, but they come in in other past lives in multiple different situations. So I've had dogs come in as different breeds of dogs over different lifetimes.
Katische:And once you connect into the significance of your pets again, like you said, you saw visions. If you can see visions, like in deja vu, in a daydream state, you'll see a scene where you can see depending upon your level of clairvoyance picture or a drawing, or you get a feeling about what that pet kind of looked like in the past life, and like it might just be. Oh, I'm a man sitting by fire and there's a dog on my feet, but that's your pet trying to communicate with you to say, hey, I've been around once before, so they're two really, that's really friendly your pets, and then your spirit guides and then the other animal spirit guides. And then you're around you is also your actual spirit guides, who are either people that you've had other past lives with, or they are beings or entities like angels and archangels, your guardian angel. And then there will be, and then this one depends upon how open you are to this. You haven't just lived on planet Earth, so there will be friendly spirit guides for those who are open to them. They're always around you, whether you're open to them or not, but from other locations, non-earth beings, and so part of the spiritual journey is to understand all that positive energy and all the people that are there to protect you and to know that they're always there, but you have free will, so they won't communicate with you until you open the door to it.
Katische:And then the negative side is we live in a dual universe, dualities here.
Katische:So where there is good, there is also bad. We have to understand the contrast between good and bad. And the negative energy consists of false spirit guides, so entities who are negative energy, who would like to pretend to be your spirit guide and, for fun, send you down the wrong path, get you hurt or whatever. There are demons, there are all sorts of red eyes, hat men, you name it and we can be petrified and terrified and hurt by them. But the thing is they are a mirror to the energy that you are conducting yourself in your life and the situations that you are putting yourself in. So the higher and cleaner you live your life, vibration wise. So if you don't drink or smoke or do drugs or psychotropic drugs or whatever like that, and you manage your thoughts, then you're going to reduce the number of negative entities around you. If you don't go into places where there are people who don't, so where you go into locations where you can feel the energy is dense and thick, the energy is dense and thick because of the beings have a weight right.
Katische:And so, yeah, I felt that, yeah, you become aware about the energy of your surroundings, and the energy of where you go will let you know are there good beings here or bad beings here? And the bad beings exist to teach you a lesson, and the lesson is about what you're feeling, what you are thinking, what you are doing, and, particularly, they will come out in full force if you have been in a similar situation in a lot of the lifetime and you haven't learned from it. Oh, here she goes again. Let's see if we can give her a warning this time and send some nasty stuff her way. Just stop her from going down that path again. Oh, no, no, no, no.
Katische:You just ignore the signs, you ignore the dense feeling and you plunge right into it because you're trying to escape from your life. So how you feel and how places feel and how people make you feel, even though you're the only one who can control how you feel, are a sign of the energy around that person or that location. So, I guess, start to monitor your thoughts, start to monitor your emotions and start to measure how places, people, situations make you feel and, honestly, like everybody else in the world tells you, do the things go to? The places? Be with the people who make you feel either calm, a nice high vibration.
Katische:You don't want to be around the people that make you go woo sky high all the time because that's too high, that's not sustainable. You want to feel that neutrality, that peace, that nice blissful, calm situation. People who are going to drag you down and make you feel low, make you feel angry, make you feel sad, make you feel guilty, make you feel shame. Well, a lot of us empaths say well, I want to help them, but the problem is, people have to be responsible for their energy and so you can help them. But if they won't be helped, then you have to step aside, because you are then going to bring that energy into your life. And the question is do you want that energy in your life?
Kertia:Yeah, I love that, and what I'm getting from that is to in order to protect yourself from a lot of the lower vibrational energy things that could come about in your life, or even the lower vibrational energies that could be attracted to you and possibly attach themselves to you is to keep your vibration high, to monitor your thoughts, be aware of who you're hanging around with, be aware of places that you frequent, and things like that.
Kertia:So that's what I'm getting from that Absolutely. That's amazing. That is definitely something to keep in mind, to remember, because, especially when you're young or when you're caught up in doing certain things, you don't really think about that kind of stuff, and I've been into places whereby the energy didn't feel good. I've been around people whereby their energy completely just threw me off, and my initial instinct is always just to get away. But a lot of people, even though they feel that, they kind of just go along with it and I love that you said that, because that is such an important pointer it's just to remind people to trust your intuition Absolutely, to be aware, to trust your intuition. Your intuition can never let you down.
Katische:Yeah, and if people get afraid of the word intuition, it's just your gut instinct. Does your tummy rumble? Does it make you feel sick? Are you worried about something when you're around someone? Because the thing that's getting triggered when we learn this lesson is our fear of abandonment and rejection. So sometimes we do the things with the people that aren't good with us because we've been really useless at this. Oh, but they're a good person deep down. Sure they are, but it's not your responsibility. Your responsibility is to trust your body, which gives you the wisdom, which is trying to tell you turn left, sister, don't go that way or don't hang out with them.
Katische:Today it's teaching you that it doesn't matter if nobody likes you in the world. You've got an entire team around you that you can't see, that love, support and are on your cheerleader team. Because what happens is that when you walk away from those people that don't support no-transcript, you don't have to shut the door completely, but you can just honour their path, like, even if it's your family, you say I love you dearly, you are the most dearest things with you in my life, but I have different beliefs and the best way that I can get around this is I'm going to let you live your life. We're going to catch up X amount of times for an X amount of period of stay, create a firm boundary around that and for the rest of the time, I live my own life. I respect you and I let you go on your path.
Katische:But that way you learn to deal with rejection and abandonment is not about you, it's about them, and you have to vibe to your own vibe, not conform to other people's vibration for the sake of safety and not being rejected, because as soon as you walk away or let people who are not meant for you be at peace and go on their own path, you open the door at the same time for the people who are the right and the right situations to come in. So it's like a test I call this. Life is a game of jumanji. We've got a character who has specific skills and we've got to bring in the right teammates who have the skills that we don't have to get through life.
Kertia:I love that that is something that I say all the time being able to be okay with loving people from afar, and sometimes the ones that we love dearly are also the ones that being around them is not conducive to our well-being, to our overall well-being mentally, spiritually, physically even sometimes and so sometimes it is okay to love people from afar in order to maintain for your own safety, sometimes for your own peace, right? So I love that you pointed that out that it is not our jobs to save people. Helping is one thing, but if the person is not ready to be helped, if they're not ready to receive that help, receive the advice, or ready and willing to change in a way or improve in a way that will improve your thinking and the things that they do and their actions overall, then there's nothing you can do and it's not your job to save them. So I love that you pointed that out.
Katische:Yeah, I'm a big saver, so it's hard for me too. But the thing is that when you don't try and save people and you enable them to do it themselves and sometimes Exactly. Sometimes there's somebody else that's actually they're going to listen to better than you, like they were meant to come in, you had to step away from the other person, step in and help them, and sometimes they're meant to figure it out without anyone else and sometimes they chose this lifetime to not figure it out.
Kertia:Yes, and it's just about honouring your journey and honouring their journey and allowing yourself to be on your path, not getting too much into their path, whereby it's now influencing your own journey.
Katische:Exactly. There are actually people that are part of our we know from other lifetimes that have agreed there's a contract that they will come in and be paying for you because you are specifically for somebody to help you with a certain lesson. And they loved you so much that they said sure, I will be the evil person this time, on the promise that you help me do this in my next lifetime.
Kertia:And you go, yeah, all right mate, I'll do that. I have a few of those people.
Katische:When you read books about the life between lives and meetings in the soul council and you're a part of sessions, you can see how up in the afterlife they find it funny. They're like, oh goodness, do you know how many times we tried to set up this thing for you in this lifetime and you missed it again. And now you're going to have to go down and do it again. Well done, mate. Oh well, never mind, let's go over here and do this. Do you know what I mean? They find it very amusing because they're not in our bodies at that time and it is a game to them.
Katische:It's a game for the evolution of the soul and it's really hard as a human being to get that because it's so personal.
Katische:But if you can distance yourself sometimes and give yourself enough peace and space to say, what if this person is trying to teach me something, how can I get over the fact that they are this particular role in my life and I desperately want to fix it, fix us, fix them?
Katische:Can I give it us both space, and can I find some teacher or a book or something to guide me on this and then you can give it the space and then you can realise, oh, they might just totally disappear out of your life, you know, and you're like, oh, that was it, that was all it was meant to be, it's okay. But we have this context especially in romantic relationships, where we're like, oh, that was it. And then we have romantic relationships where we believe every single relationship has to be perfect. No, that person has come in to teach you something, or that person you didn't finish off business in another lifetime, so they've come back to teach you that pattern again. And it's really difficult to see everybody in our life as a teacher, even the infuriating people that teach us, the teaching us something. We just have to find what that thing is that they're teaching.
Kertia:That is really eye-opening. How heavily does our past life influence our present life.
Katische:Look, it doesn't usually influence it, unless there's something that wasn't worked out or wasn't healed. The main period of time when you're going to be influenced by a past life is while you're both alive at the same time. Right, so you'll find that, just so, you had a past life as a man named Fred and he lived till he was 32. So his energy is going to impact your energy between zero and 32. And after 32, when Fred dies, you're going to find that that doesn't influence as so strongly If you can be aware of who you are and where your thoughts and influences are. They're not you, but they're not dissimilar to you you can tap into. Oh, I like that because I think in another lifetime I did that and all right, that's cool. That was me then. Do I want that for me now? No, okay, so I'm going to move in this direction, away from it, or I'm going to thank the insight for the fact that I really liked that, or I had this experience, or that really doesn't resonate with me, and then let it go and let me be me, because the entire point of all of the work that I do and all of our understandings of that soul's journey over times is there is only one now moment and you have to be the best you can so that you can do what you came here to do. The past life stuff is to guide you where you are stepping into territory that you don't want to repeat again, or where you want to bring in some influences, like a toolkit right, because your soul has access to the toolkits. So this is really important for, say, people on a spiritual path where they're a healer or something For other lifetimes where you have healing abilities.
Katische:You can access all of those healing abilities if you choose to. It's just that we think we're alone on the healer's path in this lifetime, so we're like I have to learn from scratch. I've never done this before. Well, hello, honey, you have done this before, probably 17 times before, but you've never thought to bring it in with you, and this is the first lifetime where you've gone. Maybe I've done this before. Let me check in the Akashic Records and see if I can bring that skill in. All you've got to do is download it and intend for it and you can bring that skill in.
Katische:We don't start from zero every lifetime. You only have to look at children who become geniuses in toddlerhood. They brought all those skills in intentionally. They did not start at zero and there's no reason why you have to start at zero. You just have to overcome whatever fears that you have about accessing that. So heal is particularly important, and especially people who have had lifetimes as maybe scribes, or religious lifetimes where they had freedom of speech suppressed. If you have a great fear of speaking, public speaking, probably you had a lifetime yeah, probably had a lifetime where you were killed for speaking up right, yeah, and you said that?
Kertia:because I have a huge fear of public speaking and growing up as a child, I always had issues. People always had issues with me expressing myself.
Katische:And now you're a podcaster. Good for you, do you see that? Yeah, with every single episode you publish, you were healing that, right? Yes, because it's your show. I love that. So I guess the work that I do for clients would be say somebody is doing maybe like what you're doing, right, maybe you can't go guest on other people's podcasts. You've got an even bigger fear of guesting other people's podcasts. Or you keep getting technology blocks, like your stuff always crashes and you throw tantrums at the technology.
Katische:This work that I do then looks for the psychic hooks and strings that are attached and then any of the limiting beliefs and psychological constructs that you created in those other lifetimes that need to be cleaned up and returned to the light so that you're free of those components. So one of the things that happen can be like if we have a past life where I don't know you were a comedian in a past life and maybe you had a great comedy show session and you walked outside and you were murdered, let's make it up. That part of you is really going to be afraid of either getting on a stage or being funny in this lifetime. Right, because it could have been a random murder, but it could have been a purposeful murder. But what you can do is, if you can identify that past life, you can heal the constructs that are limiting you. And in moments of great fear, like real fear, we tend to fragment the soul. So there is a little piece of you that breaks off. The inner child breaks off and goes hides in the corner right and there's a little silver string that always attaches back to you. And a lot of the work that I do is reintegrating that soul fragmentation from that moment in time where you were so traumatized that you splintered, and bringing that back in so that you feel more whole joy and that thing that happened to you doesn't no longer affect you in this lifetime. And there's lots of different modalities that will do that.
Katische:But that's just one of the examples whereby it doesn't have to be a trauma that is so bad that everyone could see that trauma. It can be. Simply you were humiliated or embarrassed and maybe somebody said something to you and it was really humiliating and embarrassing to you, but nobody else could tell that. So part of you was ashamed and went hid in the corner. It can be any sort of thing. So being aware of those sorts of things can bring you back and give you greater peace so that you can do that. So, yeah, it's about looking at and saying, yeah, great, I've worked on my throat and I'm happy podcasting. What's the next level for me, and do I feel that I'm making that transition really easily and comfortably, or is there something outside of me that is limiting me? Wow, turning the fear into power.
Kertia:Yeah, I made such. I had such a strong connection to what you just said. I love that you know upon going through a lot of the things that you speak about. You mentioned that you work with Apple metrics, right. Can you explain what that is and how you employ that in helping others to heal a lot of the issues that they have?
Katische:Yeah, so Apple metrics was developed by a doctor in, by a number of people, but the most famous one hold it up so you can see it better than I'll read it. It's a book called Spirit and Matter New Horizons for Medicine, and his name is Jose Laceira de Azevedo I butchered that completely, but anyway. So he had a psychiatric hospital in Brazil and he treated these patients without drugs, and basically in his time he employed mediums, and the mediums would be used to embody the positive or negative spirits that were trapped or encased in the multiple bodies that we have, you know, the spiritual bodies that we have mental, aetheric, astral, as a human being. And so he could find out what was going on. He could find out what was wrong with people based on the energy, and to find if there was energy that was not their own. So I then took this book, I took the training that I had done, and then there's another book by Nick Salisman, who uses a pendulum. He's the work of Jose and his work in pendulum healing, and devised some diagnostic tools to use a pendulum as a way of identifying what is obstructing a person, and so what it does is it allows us to.
Katische:I take it one step further. I get a spreadsheet and I work at your, your incarnations and which ones are affecting you, according to what I can see is impacting you, on your body, in your house, in your mind, and it just answers unanswerable questions. So, basically, the pendulum shows you on the diagram what is there so it could be, could show you an earthbound spirit, so ghost, could show a sorcery device, it could show a amulet, a magnetized magnetic field, it could show you've got on board a demon or whatever it is. And then what I do is I use sound healing. So this is a long explanation, but I use sound healing. I trained using some of the sound healings from Tom Kenyon, who's an amazing guy. He worked with the haphasia and the arcturians.
Katische:And the sound healing trains your bifertonic energy in your body, and so bifertonic energy is the light within your DNA and the light within your cells. And if you have abilities, spiritual abilities, you can train the light within your cells, which also people call the divine white light. They call it the spiritual energy, they call it the Christos energy, whatever you want to call it, and that energy, that psychic energy, is harnessable. So you can then use your pendulum and your spirit team. You always need your spirit team there, the 12th dimensional angels, to psychically capture whatever is in a person from the distance and then send it to the light and then use the spiritual healing tools to then cleanse, clear and deal with any of the psychological constructs that need reintegrating. So that's how I then the psychic energy in your body from the white light has a complete healing ability. So it like captures your psychic energy, captures the energy that is not yours in the body, and then says to spiritual surgeons we got this here, we need to take this out, the spiritual surgeons who were surgeons in real life, here in on earth and work and they move whatever it is. And then they work with a team of the angels or archangels or light beings who take that back to the universal mind or whatever you want to call it, and then we work on reintegrating, healing and mending the mind. We look for the psychological constructs.
Katische:This happened. What is this impacted on my personality? Did she fragment her soul at that time from their shame? Does she have limiting beliefs? So where before, in a past self regression session, we would visit one or two lifetimes, we might find a ghost. We might find some limiting beliefs. This allows us to see everything. Whereas it may have taken me four sessions to see how many things happen in one lifetime, in half an hour I can get everything from a lifetime and then heal and integrate it. So it's just powerful.
Katische:It's really intense, really energy draining, and you must and attempted unless you've got a team lined up to help you Like I'm not God. I'm not, you know, making myself out to be like a John of God or someone. I'm literally a human being who's allowing source energy to work through me. I'm using the gifts that I got given, which was the divine light energy, the biophatonic energy. I'm using science, I'm using sound healing, I'm using the modalities that I trained in, and then I'm using all the spirit guides and the angels that I have, basically the different levels of beings that I've trained with, as I have gone in my own personal training to say right, so people who come to me have got these things that they can't explain. They've tried different methods. Let me scan their soul and figure out what's going on. And for some people it can take months and years to get everything. But those people that have take months and months and years to do things, can you imagine what they're here on earth to do? They were here to overcome something so great. Yeah, if you're not here in this lifetime to do something on a grand scale in the spiritual world, you're not going to come across these major obstructions, like there is no good lifetime. Bad lifetime there's no. Oh, they were a great person and you weren't.
Katische:We have resting lifetimes. We have lifetimes that focus on different things right, lifetimes that lead every lifetime adds knowledge. And some lifetimes you choose to work on relationships, money, health, whatever. Some lifetimes you're like I need to help this person in this lifetime. So the focus isn't on you in that lifetime. You're there to be an assistant to somebody else. So in those lifetimes, these things are not going to come up for you.
Katische:But if you've got a lifetime where it's like okay, girlfriend, it's your time to lead in this area and you need to overcome all of these things. And you promised me that you were ready to do this and we think you're ready to do this. If you don't do it, we're going to execute you early and you're going to come back and try again. So when I say it takes months and months, or a year, or whatever it is, it's because I have the confidence that this person is here for a reason and that I need to help themselves to overcome the shyness, the fear, whatever it is, because I know that they wouldn't be brought to me unless they're destined to use their skills in a specific way in this lifetime. So I've got every confidence that they're brought to me for a reason, otherwise they would never have heard of me, they would never have come across me, because that's just what I've been told. It's like I'm not a guru. I'm here to find the guru and you by removing the obstacles.
Kertia:I love that. That is so powerful, powerful work. I love it. How can my listeners reach out to you if they would like to have something works on?
Katische:That you can find me at my website, which is just katishkatescheecom, if you want to listen to some of my sessions, which are not the stuff that I do now, but as an education, it's fun to see my journey. I have a podcast called the Infinite Life with Katish Haverfield on all podcast players and on YouTube and you can watch these things. So you can watch people have a past life regression. If you don't believe in them, this will help you open your mind because you get to see nothing's edited. The camera is on in a session that people have given permission and it is an actual recording of a session where I take people into the past lives, where they meet their spirit guides or where they look at the lifetime choices. We have sessions where they might have chosen their parents and we work out why they chose their parents. So there's two years of case studies there that you can go.
Katische:I don't believe a word she said, but I'm going to go watch at least one of them on YouTube and then I'll figure out why I need to know this information. It's just there is a teaching tool, not necessarily to get you to come and have a session. You might not need a session, you might just need to believe that you have a friendly spirit guide and that's all you need to take out of that podcast episode. I don't know. Everyone has a different reason for watching an episode.
Kertia:Awesome. Thank you so much. You're welcome. I really enjoyed this conversation and it was so informative.
Katische:I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Kertia:Guys, I truly enjoyed this conversation so much, from speaking about past lives and past life regression to talking about energy and the different types of entities. If you'd like to know more about Katesh and her work or if you'd like to work with her somehow, I've included her links below this episode. Also, check out Katesh's podcast. The Infinite Life podcast is like a documentary for the work she's done. It has lots of live past life and age regression sessions and so many great healing messages and it's just so good. She's done some amazing stuff. Also, remember to head over to our fan list to record us your feedback. We listen to all of them and we can't wait to hear what you think about this conversation.
