Imagine being whisked away by the enchantment of a musical as a child, only to find yourself years later, navigating the gritty realness of Hollywood and activism—this is the journey Harry Cook shares with us. His story begins with the spark of "Oliver," igniting a passion for acting, and unfolds into a candid discussion about the paradoxes of the industry, climate change's harsh realities, and the superficiality of American meritocracy. With wit and earnestness, Harry dissects his personal experiences, from dealing with the challenges of coming out to the broader societal injustices he's awakened to, and the crucial role of platforms that foster open dialogue.
Throughout the conversation, we peel back the layers of celebrity accountability and social awareness, as Harry voices his concerns about those who fail to leverage their influence for progress. His insights on the LGBTQ+ community's hardships and the pursuit of authentic connection provide an intimate backdrop to the pressing need for genuine activism. As we traverse through episodes of reflection on identity and acceptance, it's impossible not to feel the gravity of his words, urging us to probe deeper into the essence of love, community, and the transformative impact they can have on society.
As we close this multifaceted discussion, Harry emphasizes the power of unity in the face of polarizing forces that threaten our societal fabric. He calls upon each of us to embrace our unique paths and to partake in the collective effort against systemic oppression, as demonstrated by the student protests at Columbia University. Bringing together personal anecdotes with global issues, this episode is not just a conversation but a heartfelt plea for authenticity, love, and the indomitable spirit of community to drive change. Join us, as Harry Cook takes us on a profound exploration of what it means to live with grace and grit in the complexities of modern life.
Imagine being whisked away by the enchantment of a musical as a child, only to find yourself years later, navigating the gritty realness of Hollywood and activism—this is the journey Harry Cook shares with us. His story begins with the spark of "Oliver," igniting a passion for acting, and unfolds into a candid discussion about the paradoxes of the industry, climate change's harsh realities, and the superficiality of American meritocracy. With wit and earnestness, Harry dissects his personal experiences, from dealing with the challenges of coming out to the broader societal injustices he's awakened to, and the crucial role of platforms that foster open dialogue.
Throughout the conversation, we peel back the layers of celebrity accountability and social awareness, as Harry voices his concerns about those who fail to leverage their influence for progress. His insights on the LGBTQ+ community's hardships and the pursuit of authentic connection provide an intimate backdrop to the pressing need for genuine activism. As we traverse through episodes of reflection on identity and acceptance, it's impossible not to feel the gravity of his words, urging us to probe deeper into the essence of love, community, and the transformative impact they can have on society.
As we close this multifaceted discussion, Harry emphasizes the power of unity in the face of polarizing forces that threaten our societal fabric. He calls upon each of us to embrace our unique paths and to partake in the collective effort against systemic oppression, as demonstrated by the student protests at Columbia University. Bringing together personal anecdotes with global issues, this episode is not just a conversation but a heartfelt plea for authenticity, love, and the indomitable spirit of community to drive change. Join us, as Harry Cook takes us on a profound exploration of what it means to live with grace and grit in the complexities of modern life.
Welcome to another exciting episode of KevJet the podcast. I'm excited to introduce to you this week's guest, harry Cook.
Speaker 2:Thank you for having me. I'm stoked Huge fan of this podcast and yourself, so thank you for having me. I ramble, I chat a lot, so thanks.
Speaker 1:We start off this conversation light and breezy and I ask him what inspired him to get into acting.
Speaker 2:My grandma introduced me to the movie Oliver when I was like four years old and then my mom's parents took me to see the stage production of Oliver at the London Playdean when I was like five and I just remember, at interval at the stage production I sort of said to my grandma why are there kids like? What are the kids doing up there? Because there's a ton of kids in the musical. I sort of said to my grandma why are there kids like? What are the kids doing up there? Because there's a ton of kids in the musical. I was five years old and she was like oh, they're playing, pretend, like they're just, they're out there pretending. But then she was like they get paid for that. I was like wait, they have money too. They get to be out there playing and they get paid for this. What the hell? It blew my mind that that was a career option.
Speaker 1:Buckle up, because this rollercoaster conversation moves fast and furiously.
Speaker 2:The reason people are so scared is because we are constantly distracted. There is solutions for the climate crisis that we could roll out tomorrow, tomorrow morning, if everybody woke up and was like this is dumb, let this. We have the blueprints, we have the manpower, we have everything ready to go. We've just got a ton of gatekeepers who are holding the keys to everything like who, and we are just going along with it now and it's like I think, if the tide is changing because a lot of people are going, this is so stupid. There's more of us than them. Why are we allowing this now Like it's dumb?
Speaker 1:Did Tom Daley have something to do with Harry's coming out? I asked the question.
Speaker 2:No, no, because that actually. No, it didn't.
Speaker 1:He didn't inspire me to come out. And the Kevjet questions don't stop there. I keep throwing them at him. I need a Valium, I think is what I am. I'm going to get you really wound up to start your day. Let's talk Hollywood.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, first of all, I think the Hollywood industry is just an enormous catch-22. Everything's a catch-22.
Speaker 1:Dare I bring up American politics? Oh yes, KevJet does.
Speaker 2:America who screams about meritocracy and how it's all about if you work hard, you get your dues. It's like well, that's not true, because if that were true, trump would be working at McDonald's. Like it's just not. So would Biden, so would all of them. Like it's. I think that's what the awakening has become. It's like a lot of people going. We are really being fucked over.
Speaker 1:I would not be doing my job if I did not ask him about the famous Oprah post.
Speaker 2:I love Oprah so much and, to be honest, I think she started out doing incredible things. I don't think she ever intended to turn into what her corporation has turned into, because she's not a human being anymore. Oprah Winfrey is not a person to look up to. She is a corporation with a marketing team worth more than some restaurants have. Like, her image is so squeaky clean because she has the money to make her image so squeaky clean. See, you're the Oprah we need. Kevin, you really are. These are the questions we need, not. Hello everyone. We're going to sell you some drugs today. Who wants to not be fat anymore? Like, go away.
Speaker 1:Oprah, I ask the famous Kep Jet question what does being a man mean?
Speaker 2:to you. Being a man should be finding your soul. I would say Finding who you are and trying to do good with it, instead of trying to conquer, divide and like, just cause chaos, like. Stop causing so much chaos. We don't need anyone to die for there to be happy ever after, but I feel like that's where we're all at now. We're like well, who will?
Speaker 1:pay.
Speaker 2:This conversation is full of love, passion and healing thank you for giving me a place to just rant for a minute and for listening to me pop off and for doing what you're doing, because I I mean it. You guys. It's people like you who save the world right now. We do not need more people like kim kardashian flogging the idea of work while she sits on her plastic ass, like we need people asking questions. If you're asking, I'm so grateful.
Speaker 1:I just think voices like yours like I said, buckle up, enjoy my conversation with the lovely Harry Cook. Welcome, harry Cook, to KevJet the podcast.
Speaker 2:Thank you for having me. I'm stoked Huge fan of this podcast and yourself, so thank you for having me. I ramble, I chat a lot, so thanks.
Speaker 1:I like that. I like that in a guest chat a lot. So thanks, I like that. I like that in the guest if we go back to where it all began it kind of all began here in london, yeah, south london actually.
Speaker 2:I was, uh, born in croydon at mayday hospital. If any of you know that mayday hospital um, which is pretty apt considering I feel like I'm screaming mayday, mayday every minute of the day at the moment so kind of perfect in that aspect. Yeah, I grew up in Croydon, I went to school in Surrey and then, when I was 10, I moved over to Sydney, australia, with my family and then from.
Speaker 1:There.
Speaker 2:I went to America in my 20s and finally I'm in America now for now. For now, yeah.
Speaker 1:What brought you to Australia and then what was the change that brought you to america?
Speaker 2:this yeah, that's um. So my my parents actually met in in uh, australia backpacking in the 80s. They were, they were sort of um in the early 20s and they were visiting sydney to do like a gap year and it was easier to visit there than the States because of visas and stuff and they could go for longer. And so they went to Australia, fell in love because it's beautiful, it is a beautiful place to fall in love and the place itself is gorgeous, like it's. It's naturally beautiful. I'll leave it there. It's really really pretty pretty.
Speaker 2:And so they that we, my mom and dad, moved back to london um in 91, uh had me and then my brother came along four years later and we uh stayed in south london until I was 10 years old and then my mom and dad had always said they would like to live somewhere sunnier, because I mean england's very it can be very gray and rainy, but yeah, so we moved it when I was 10.
Speaker 2:And that was a humongous, huge culture shock in comparative like England to Australia and just the general sort of the vibe is very different. Yeah, that was kind of how that came about and then from there I always wanted to be an actor. So I think from moving that was just sort of the logical next step for me was to eventually get over to the States, because Hollywood was sort of where I imagined I would make the most success. It would seem to be like the next step on the ladder kind of thing. And yeah, I came here permanently a couple of years ago on a green card after a big, long lead, incredibly difficult, expensive immigration process. Like that's why I understand it's so difficult to move to america and why it's so hard to do it, because it's near on impossible to unless you've got a ton of evidence to prove that you, you belong, belong here same thing in canada.
Speaker 1:It's the same thing with canadian.
Speaker 2:Uh, yeah, same thing I was wondering because, because my mom and dad like moving to australia, they could only do that because my dad's a bricklayer, so he builds houses, and so it worked out for um that they needed brick layers at that time, you know. But they strangely, I don't think ever have really needed actors in america or anywhere. Really, we're not an essential job. I mean it helped, we're helpful, hopefully. But I don't think, you know, the world's not going to end if Meryl Streep doesn't make another movie again, like we're going to be fine.
Speaker 1:You found success in acting, though.
Speaker 2:So like yeah.
Speaker 1:So did you find that theater was kind of your introduction to acting?
Speaker 2:yeah, it's so interesting. I've been thinking about it a lot lately, a bit of, I think it's. I think it's an existential crisis, to be honest, because everyone's freaking out. But I, I was thinking about it the other day and my first sort of introduction to uh, creativity, I guess, or like what acting meant, was my dad's mom, my, my grandma, introduced me to the movie oliver when I was like four years old, and then my mom's parents took me to see the stage production of oliver at the london palladium when I was like five and I just remember, at interval, my, at the stage production, I sort of said to my grandma why are there kids? Like, what are the kids doing up there? Because it's a, there's a ton of kids in the musical.
Speaker 2:I was five years old and I was, and she was like, oh, they're to play, pretend, like they're just, they're out there pretending, um, but then she was like they get paid for that. I was like, wait, they have money too. They get to be out there playing and they get paid for this. What the hell Like? It blew my mind that that was a career option. Um, so that was, I think, the moment. I was like, oh, I have to have to do this. This is like why wouldn't you want to do this? This is the most fun thing in the world to sing and dance and play, pretend and not think about how awful it is every day. So I think that's kind of where I yeah, where I fell in love with acting that and that story as well. It's a beautiful story.
Speaker 2:Fast forward to Australia, yeah strange place to start a career in acting as well. They didn't really have a huge industry there, yeah.
Speaker 1:Is it sort of like, I would imagine, sort of like the UK? Yeah, everybody knows everybody. It's kind of that Very much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I think the difference was I've always found the difference with australia to the american industry of entertainment and the uh, the english, the uk industry and entertainment. I don't know about canada I've never worked there but I found that australia is extremely clicky, very much like gatekeepers abound, like in every single, in every agency, in every management, in every publicist, in every production company, in every theater company, right down to like it even gets down to like community theater, where you're like this is insanity, like what is the people have got this chip on their shoulder in every single level of the industry. And I've I sort of noticed it when I was first starting out and solely not wanting to, kind of, I was never really keen on making a ton of money from this gig. It was never. You know, I've never been like oh, I really hope I get this dumb marvel character and and ride that wave and make a fortune like I'm.
Speaker 2:Like what is that? I don't get joy out of that. Standing in front of a green screen for 12 hours a day like shouting at nothing that's not, that's what my. I saw someone in the street doing that recently, just yelling at clouds. It's like that's not a creative, that's not like fun to do. I was like I want to go on like sets, like people, like the artists who create, who build these incredible sets, and I grew up watching like jurassic park and like where it was like a mix of cgi but mostly really epic sets and and actors who showed you how emotions felt when they're acting. Yeah, I feel like now we're just seeing explosions and just look over here and look over here, there's another dinosaur and over here and it's nobody's everyone's forgot what the fuck we realize we do movies and tv4.
Speaker 1:You know it's so true.
Speaker 2:And now, with ai, an actor probably will never have to leave their house for real, for real, and that's why everybody, it's like the people who are screaming about, oh, this generation don't want to work. I'm like, no, we're dying to work, but like we just don't want to work. Like a computer, like when we have all this technology. Now, like I read something so interesting and I'm gonna I'm gonna screw it up because I haven't written it down like an idiot, but it was something along the lines of um, like the climate crisis we all keep hearing about and because everything, I do, believe I everything is interconnected, which is a tricky one when people are just understanding the climate crisis and everything. Because I think people are like hang on, you're just talking about hollywood. Why are you talking about the climate crisis and everything? Because I think people are like hang on, you're just talking about Hollywood. Why are you talking about the climate crisis? And I'm like it is because it's all part of it, and I think the reason people are so scared is because we are constantly distracted.
Speaker 2:There is solutions for the climate crisis that we could roll out tomorrow, tomorrow morning, if everybody woke up and was like this is dumb, let's do this. We have the blueprints, we have the, the manpower, we have everything ready to go. We've, just like australia's industry, we've got a ton of gatekeepers who are holding the keys to everything like who, and we are just going along with it now and it's like, I think, if the tide is changing because a lot of people are going, this is so fucking stupid. There's more of us than them. Why are we allowing this now, like it's dumb?
Speaker 2:so exactly, exactly sorry I went on such a tangent. Please just tell me to when I get like this.
Speaker 1:No, I love it, I love it I don't have I'm not gonna have to pull anything from you, we got some content. It could be a couple of episodes with all my shit that I ramble on about. One interesting fact is that I saw you were in the forefront of the fight for gay marriage in Australia.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, well, I actually yeah.
Speaker 1:That was back.
Speaker 2:When did they? They were one of the last Western nations to to hit marriage equality too. Same again gatekeepers like everything, the the whole country wanted marriage equality and for the longest time it was just this constant culture war between left versus right, right versus left, where everyone was like god fucking sake, can we talk about the fact we're running out of food? Like no one really cares at this point we just would like to move on. But they're actually oppressing people and that's why we're fighting this so hard, because it's it's exhausting to have to just continually fight and show your existence like hey, no, we are here and we just would like to be on the same page as everyone. But I think that's my initial thing with that was I? Yeah, I got on board because do you know what I think it is? I've had this huge realization lately.
Speaker 2:I come from very working class family. I don't come from money. I've never have like I've. None of my family are in entertainment. Uh, none of my family have ever been rich. We have been like the kind of family who you know the builders and and uh, cleaners and doctors. And my grandma was a nursing home uh manager. She used to manage a nursing home up until she was 71, like she and she, like that's the kind of people that I come from, and they're not people who chase this acclaim that gives you nothing. They're not people who chase three, four houses because it doesn't amount to anything like we're not these.
Speaker 2:I feel like there is definitely a class system in the world and it's people who have a level of consciousness and intelligence and and like a soul. And then there's others who genuinely just want to see the world burn and don't give a shit, like I. Really that's where I've got to. I'm like because and I think you maybe have to experience a level of poverty to understand it for me, like it was like knowing that it was rent or medicine at a point you know, like that, and I don't think it's really it's.
Speaker 2:I don't think a lot of people realize that a lot of actors get into this industry to pretend to enjoy a make-believe world and also to try and get a better life, because the one that they've seen has never paid off for anyone in their lives. Like the system is so broken, which is why I think a lot of creatives chase this golden light in hoping that, oh, if I get enough money, I won't have to deal with this nightmare anymore. Everyone's now kind of in that bucket, I think. I think I don't know we're gonna get into that.
Speaker 2:I'm definitely gonna see how far I go, just edit. You're gonna need a good editor. I'm sorry, I think I have adhd as well, which I'm gonna get my money's worth is it true that tom?
Speaker 2:daly inspired you to come out no, no, because that actually no, it did it. He didn't inspire me to come out and in fact I I've had that question a lot and I do think it's really interesting because he, he, um, he came out and it actually peed me off at the time because I was like that's not how you do it, idiot. Like no, what are you doing? Like that's not what was he. His coming out was hi, um. So I think I still like girls a little bit, um, but I think I'm also kind of into this fella that I'm with. Like that was his is coming out and I'm like what? So are you gay or not? Like what are you saying? And everyone was like he's such a hero, why is he a hero? He's just basically opened the door a little bit and then fucking ran away. Like I'm like, pick a lane you have.
Speaker 2:And it's not about labels, it's about integrity, it's, it's truly, it's got nothing to do with. I am a gay man, I'm a human man. I believe that with all my heart. I it's not. I find the beauty in a flower as much as I do in the love of my life. Who is Trey? Like that is where I think people have forgotten. It's not. It's not things or people that I, that humans should be chasing and I. It's like there's this underlying thing that we seem to have all forgotten. That's kind of where.
Speaker 2:I think, and so they're coming out of Tom Daley, I was like it's I need. I want to do better than that, to be honest, and it's not that he, he did the best he could, which is what I realized that everyone's just kicking the door open however they can. But to me, I am definitely a bit more radical in the fact that I just it's not enough at this point and like we're running out of time rapidly for people to keep doing what we're doing.
Speaker 2:So I think everyone tries to find a label and to like grasp onto that label right, right, and it's not even a bad thing. Sorry, go on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I just find that the younger generation so like if you look at, like my niece's generation, right, it's not so much a label and they, they're just. Everything is so accepted and and, and I just think that's amazing and I wish that was the generation that I was raised in or brought up in or like grew up in, and it's so true, and it is.
Speaker 2:It's that feeling of like I look like that's exactly it. You've hit the nail on the head there, because it's the amount of young people I see out there who could not care less about what, what language we use, like really, they don't care that we're all fighting about calling each other names. Still, they're like we're running out of food, like they can see the future so much clearer than us and like I'm realizing that cause like this is so shameful for me. I felt like an activist my whole life. I felt like I was doing the work. I felt like I was putting in and doing the. I felt like I was doing the work. I felt like I was putting in and doing that.
Speaker 2:You know I was doing the pomp and circumstance of going on television and being like gay rights and doing and it is all about that, but it means nothing if every, if, if not everyone is is getting the same thing. You know what I mean. It's, and I think that's more where I'm sitting now. I'm like, well, yeah, that's great, but like what else? That's more where I'm sitting now. I'm like, well, yeah, that's great, but like what else? Like every. There's a lot of horrors going on in the world right now and you cannot focus on one section of it Like no, it's all interconnected, so I need a Valium.
Speaker 1:I think is why I'm going to get you really wound up to start your day.
Speaker 2:No, I'm actually. It's funny because I'm actually finding like a bit of a balance in it. Like I get so passionately and furious and then I'm like just today I'll do what I can Like you kind of have to right, otherwise you lose your mind.
Speaker 1:What was your most frustrating challenge or, I guess challenge, I guess, is the right word when you moved to LA from Australia.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, first of all, I think the Hollywood industrywood industry is is just a enormous catch-22. Everything's a catch-22 there. Um, you need a sag membership, you need to be part of sag to get union work. But you can't get union work unless you're a member of sag. So figure that one out. Doesn't make any fucking sense at all how you do that. And then it's like to get an agent or a manager over there. You need to be referred, you can't just send your stuff over. You either need to know them, meet them, hang in their circles or kiss their ass to get an interview.
Speaker 2:And that's always been confusing to me, especially from a country like America who screams about meritocracy and how it's all about if you work hard, you get your dues. It's like, well, that's not true, because if that were true, trump would be working at mcdonald's like it's, just not so would biden, so would all of them like it's. I think that's what the awakening has become. It's like a lot of people going. We are really being fucked over in every area of society. I'm and I was remember. Do you remember when? When was it? This was around the me too movement, but it was when actresses started calling out the fact that they were on like a dollar in comparison to their 200 million dollar co-stars that's right and at the time I was like god, shut up, you've got 20 million in the bank.
Speaker 2:What are you talking about? And that was my ignorance at the time being like I don't care, like what are you shouting about? You've got. You've got seven mansions what? And that is true, yeah, but it's also like the greater issue of that, because that goes right the way down to the mcdonald's staff to know that they are working three jobs and not surviving while their manager is in Barbados on two yachts. Like that, I think, is the difference. Now we're all realizing that it's not just Hollywood. Granted, I'm trying to do something about Hollywood because I've seen it up close, but it is kind of this insidious thing that everyone's under this spell that we're like well, if we keep working ourselves into the ground, it'll get better. It just hasn't. That doesn't work, hasn't worked.
Speaker 1:No, let's just jump all over the place, because there's no point in my notes at this point which are the best conversations? They are the best conversations. Oh God, sorry.
Speaker 2:I'm on fire too.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's never like the greatest conversation if I actually have to follow note by note so I might just throw them away so your social media has taken a change?
Speaker 2:yeah, say yeah, it's gone kind of, uh, I, I think, let me, it was the gaza, the, the genocide in gaza, that kind of kicked it off. But also this, this major shift in in my own consciousness.
Speaker 2:I guess, and like what I, what I valued, cause I I'll be completely honest, I'm the biggest one to blame of it really, and that's, I think, where a lot of my shame has come from and my fight to do something about this with the privilege that I have. It's cause I've been like it's, I've been doing nothing really and I've been like I've been, I've been hoping nothing really. I've been hoping that, oh, one day I'll be able to get up there and life will be better for me, and I have not cared about the fact that so many people below me have got it so much harder and that I'm very, very lucky where I am, just where I am. The fact that I've got food, water and a roof over my head is brilliant, like such a win. And this celebrity culture thing. I think that I've been obsessed with my whole life Like I'm so, so in trouble for that. Like I've been so part of that machine and have helped the machine. Like I'm completely putting my hands up that I've been in the wrong there. But like when you come to that realization, I think that's when I'm like, oh, this is absolutely absurd that we are continuing this. I mean, I've always said we have more information on our cell phones than we do in like a public library now. So like ignorance really is when we are being screamed at it, you know. Like when, when we're seeing these images coming out of Gaza and it's you can't ignore that, like we've never seen anything like this before.
Speaker 2:It is horror beyond and I love used to love horror movies. I can't watch horror movies anymore because that is too terrifying to me. I can't. It's like PTSD and I'm like I think that's where my social media took a massive turn. Cause I'm like who is actually going to pay for this? Cause it's not just we're consuming this stuff every day, like it is a horror movie. And it's not a horror movie, it's traumatizing stuff for humanity to see this all the time. So who do we sue to say that I'm not sleeping. I'm having to get sleeping pills because I'm not sleeping. I'm terrified of what's going on in the world. So the responsibility, I think, has always been handed down to people like recycle more, it's your fault.
Speaker 1:Like no, it's not like but everybody, everybody's still conditioned right at this point that's it.
Speaker 2:That's it. Yeah, that's nailing the head there. It's yeah and I think, was it?
Speaker 2:I think I was talking to you about it on instagram. I've been talking to everybody about it, but like the conditioning that we have all been in and myself like my myself, my parents, my grandparents, my grandparents, parents like it is this generational trauma that we have all become so desensitized to everything, now that we are zombie walking into hell like that is the only way I can see it. Now it's like if we don't hop off this merry-go-round together, it doesn't end and that's scary. It's like it doesn't need to carry on like this.
Speaker 1:When we've got all the resources.
Speaker 2:That's what I try and bring it all around back to hope right, because we can do it tomorrow. It's not this bleak idea of like oh, we need to figure it out how we do it, like it's there. Of like, oh, we need to figure it out how we do it. Like it's there, we have it there. We just got a few people, like few, like a few hundred people against eight billion of us. It's it's, and that's why I've said it today.
Speaker 2:That is why they are freaking out and scaring everybody the way they're scaring us. They're where they say we've got nukes, you don't have a fucking missile. We're sending you them because you don't have anything. You're the most pathetic army in the world, the army, the most pathetic group of man babies in the world, and the only reason they're continuing to do this is because we're letting them do this. And I think the fear is gone. And now I'm just outraged. You know what I mean like it's not. Like, oh, my god, they're gonna kill us all. It's not, that're not going to do anything, because they can't do anything without our help. It's this like come on everybody, we're doing this to ourselves now. That's where it's at, I think. Who knows?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, what have you noticed different about your following since you've taken this little?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean much more authentic connections, that's for sure. I've been reached out by podcasts before. I got outed on a podcast once and I was like no, I'm done with this bullshit. But like you, do find the people who are genuinely trying to do good. I believe you're one of them, like I. I find we're all finding the, the right ones, I believe at this point, and I I think that's so imperative because it's, it is those, it's, it's the ones with a bigger heart that is going to save the planet, and it's not fighting. You know, we've done this fighting merry-go-round thing since the dawn of time. Men have been doing this men, men of the, but it's always men and we keep going to these stupid wars, losing our entire families, losing our souls along the way, and then going why is everything so shit? It's because of us.
Speaker 1:We just need to get out the way so let's, let's just uh talk about your post about oprah oh, yeah, oh, oh, thank you.
Speaker 2:Let's first of all this asshole. This asshole no, I, to be honest, this is where I struggle, because I know people love Oprah. I loved Oprah so much and, to be honest, I think she started out doing incredible things. I don't think she ever intended to turn into what her corporation has turned into, because she's not a human being anymore. Oprah Winfrey is not a person to look up to. She is a corporation with a marketing team worth more than some restaurants have. Like her image is so squeaky clean because she has the money to make her image so squeaky clean. Like.
Speaker 2:It's just so fascinating to me how duped we are and how celebrity worship I don't know about you have. You've noticed it? Well, I mean, it's always been there. That's the thing. The beatles, and like the spice girls when I was growing up, and like one direction and they they keep giving us these idols, right, they keep like hey, look over here, you've got some people to look up to and they've got, they've got uh, opinions. It doesn't matter what their opinions are, they're all rich. They're all rich, really rich, mega rich, wealth that we will never understand. Like a level of like it's not. I read the other day. That just was.
Speaker 2:I was like, like what Jeff Bezos apparently last year made $7 million every 10 minutes. $7 million, $7 million every 10 minutes. And do you know how much tax he paid this year? $0. I paid. I'm on minimum wage. I paid $5,200, $5,200 this year zero dollars. I paid. I'm on minimum wage. I paid five thousand and two hundred dollars. Five thousand two hundred dollars this year on tax that my boyfriend had to help me out with because I don't have that like of course.
Speaker 2:So this is like a slave slave nation now, like slave slave world, where it's a global regime, where we're like it's the, the class system is slowly wiping out the rungs until it's just going to be a few very wealthy idiots with no souls at the top or at the fucking moon, like it's that level that I'm like they're just getting away with it because we haven't harnessed our collective power yet. I think Did I miss the question? No, we were talking about oprah. Well, yeah, so basically it's her fault? No, she's. I just feel like now it's, it's that case of she doesn't even know what she's doing. So get out the way, go sit in your house and be quiet. Like, be quiet now. We don't need. I saw an interview.
Speaker 1:They were talking to somebody who had just worked with her and I can't remember who it was. It was an actress and she was like she shared a trailer with her or something. And apparently Oprah stopped and asked her are you chewing gum in front of me? And the actress was like, yeah, I'm chewing gum. And she's like nobody chews gum in my presence and apparently it's like a contractual thing you do not chew gum around Oprah because she can't stand the sound.
Speaker 2:Do you know what's scary? I believe that with all my heart as well, because I shared a video recently. I'm really good friends with Gina Davis and she had a book that came out called Dying of Politeness Great book, incredible read. But she was on the Graham Norton show in the UK and, god help me, I need to know who this actress is. But uh, she was also. In fact, I won't say the name of the actress who shared the story because I don't think it's it's her responsibility to cop anything, she's just I.
Speaker 1:I totally know what you're about to say, but no, tell the story yeah, so she was on the couch.
Speaker 2:You can google the episode, for example. Everybody can go find this episode because it's online right there, um, and she's talking about how she loves oprah and everybody was she an athlete?
Speaker 2:I think so. I think she was an athlete, or I think she was actually an athlete. I think so. Yeah, I believe she was, and that's. If I'm got it wrong, I'm sorry, but it's she was. She was in a position where she got the chance to meet oprah, an idol of hers, and she, she was telling Graham Norton the story and you watch it, you watch it. You can hear the audience be like because she goes oh, I love Oprah. I mean, everybody loves Oprah. And I got a chance. We were on the red carpet and I walked up to her and I said hi, oprah. And she said I don't have time to hear your life story. And she started laughing and Graham Norton was like wait, what Hang on? What did you say?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the whole audience. It was something like just take your photo and move on, basically.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pretty much you get a picture. And then Now this is the woman who has a show called Super Soul Sunday. This is the woman who claims to care about humanity and the consciousness and awareness of human beings. This is a woman who is who has spent her life interviewing some of the greatest spiritual leaders, I believe, of our entire lives, like eckhart tolle and is that how you say his name? I'm sure if I bastardized that the way of saying it. But yeah, you know she's.
Speaker 2:She had, like gary, is it g Zukav who did Seed of the Soul? She's had these incredible teachers and has learned nothing from them. Like hasn't learned a thing, that that is not how you treat other human beings. Like just because you have a bit more fake money, and I think that's. It was that.
Speaker 2:And then I realized that when she was on Ellen and they did this segment it's on my Instagram, everybody can see it they did this segment where they were doing a stupid game, where they got to hit a buzzer or something, and it was like a 10 minute video of them talking about how much money they had and how Oprah went to the bank and deposited a million dollar check and then at the very end they laughed even harder because it wasn't a million million, it was two million and she had to wait in line, like all of us have to like. It's so grotesque. And the thing that's so grotesque is like. People are like like why? Why are we like this? It's like the. That question needs to be asked more and more than ever.
Speaker 2:I can't understand why we are continuing to to let these people get away with this. It's just stupid. And ellen too fuck her. She treats all of her stuff like garbage too. She's a terrible person like, and I think that's why they continue to get more money, because the terrible people band together and have all the resources. That seems to be the way it works Like, and I've always wondered I'm like why haven't I got my big break? Because I'm not an absolute pile of shit.
Speaker 1:That's why have you? Have you heard from anybody that you've been calling out online?
Speaker 2:No, none, johnny Sibilli, which is. This is where it kills me, and it's like the queer community, the queer actors, the people like neil patrick harris, like people I look up to in the industry, people that I was like one day I'll get there and I'm so proud that they've paved the way. They haven't paved the way for anything other than the patriarchy and white supremacy, because that's all it represents now. They're not doing any work for anyone else, um, unless you, you know, I mean, jolly john Sibilli is really surprising to me in particular, and I'm going to call everybody out because I'm. It's what's required at this point. Everybody needs to own their part. I love that you do it as well.
Speaker 1:I love that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I don't really care at this point and I think a lot of people are kind of like, yeah, good point.
Speaker 1:But it kind of says more. It says more about their character that they don't think. So actually come back to you, right, and I mean I mean just to clarify that's the thing that's you nail on the head there.
Speaker 2:It's just clarify why you're not speaking. I don't I'm not judging anyone. If you're terrified because it's too much for you, fine. Like, if it's too much for you to understand what's going on, fine. At least put a watermelon in your bio, show people that you are on board this cause. That's anti-genocide. Like. Do something anything, anything, anything at this point with your profile, or what are you doing? Where is your heart? I could. That's where it's you've. That's. Thank you for that. I'm actually really grateful for that, because I've been wondering what am I actually looking for out of this? And it is. It's just clarity.
Speaker 1:I need to know what is wrong with these people and why they're not affected it the way that you and I and a lot of people are like yeah I mean, I have this conversation with lots of my friends and some of my friends are extremely passionate, some of my friends right are passionate, but it's not something they discuss and and I'm kind of in the middle, I'm like finding my way through it, but I'm exactly but I know where I stand. And and if I was to, ask you.
Speaker 1:You would be like this is it, you know, like it would be like an immediate, and it's the ones that I'm like.
Speaker 2:I know what you're doing and you're keeping yourself safe.
Speaker 2:That's all you're doing at this point, yeah, and it's like thing that I don't think people are realizing across the board is that if that, if we allow collectively this level of violence to any group of people, we accept it for all of us. That is the most like. That is what I keep screaming about. It's not, it's it's. People are like well, what do we do differently? I, I'm like anything Anything differently to what we've been doing, because this level of violence and torture and it is nightmarish brutality, the stuff that I never, ever.
Speaker 2:I mean the Holocaust was horrific because they used gas chambers to wipe out 6 million people. We're seeing the most torturous stuff day in and day out, and the fact that these people are seeing it too and just sort of going well, I just booked a new movie with katherine zetton jones. I'm like jamie lee curtis fuck her too. I love that post as well. She is a monster, she's an absolute, and I have great intel that she is a monster who bought one of these, just like I did, from China, because it's easy to do that when you have money and connections. That's how it works. It's not a meritocracy. You can just get away with it if you know the right people, and that's what's gross. She's going to come for me now If I go missing. Jamie Lee Curtis has killed me. If I die, it's her and her gang who've kicked it off. I'll know.
Speaker 2:And we will all know yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll all know the thing is it's scary because I'm like, I am scared of these people, truly, deeply frightened of them, because that is a kind of person that I don't understand at all. That is like a you know how we're like robots are going to take over the world. I don't think they have to. If you found a way to make humans not care about that kind of shit, you've done your job. Like robots are here. Really, really frightening to think that that some people don't realize that that kind of like, any kind of death like, is just not cool. Like why are we doing this? Sorry, I am. I do think I was like maybe what's what's a one trap from Sound of Music in a past life. I think I was a mix of her and like Nancy from Oliver. I'm a bit like it's a good mix. Yeah, not bad, right, I just don't want to die like Nancy. I'd like to jump over the hill, like like maria von trapp. I don't want to be beaten to death by bill sykes.
Speaker 1:I'd like to be over the hill, yeah you could have a great story, though, if it's, uh, jamie lee curtis, that's coming for you yeah, halloween, she wasn't that oh gosh yeah yeah, I think we know who's behind the fucking mask now. Monster, absolute monster what's your opinion on on the whole uh gay community in la?
Speaker 2:yeah, I'm, I sound like such a dick, I'm just ranting about everything, but it's not that. To be honest, I feel sorry for our community because I just feel like we have just gone through trauma after trauma after trauma and we are just so devastatingly not desensitized, just worn out.
Speaker 1:Do you think it's getting better? Do you think there's hope for it?
Speaker 2:I hope. I mean I was really impressed because, like I met the whole catalyst of my life changing, I'll be honest, is meeting my guy Trey. Like he is I will cry if I talk too much about it because he is like I've just I've realized that, like as a gay man myself, coming from a pretty dysfunctional family who's not again no issue and no problem with any of my family they did the best they could am no problem with any of my family. They did the best they could. But as a gay man who come, who comes from that kind of dysfunction and trauma, as we all kind of do, all of us have come from some level of trauma.
Speaker 2:If, even if you've got a beautiful family, that's kind of a normal family right right, yeah right and that's, that's it right, like that is a normal family. We're all kind of used to these like toxic systems, whether you're a woman, whether you're like, the only people who go unscathed are the white supremacist males. They kind of just get to do whatever they want without, without any kind of consequence. So I think, as gay people I mean, I'm just speaking for myself, I won't talk about the whole community, but, like for me, I looked for love and looked for community so hard within the gay community and I haven't found it. I haven't found it.
Speaker 2:I found a very juiced up idea of it, maybe Like, oh, we're a community, we go to a pride rally once a year and we've got these rainbow flags that we love throwing out. But we also, you know, I don't like I I struggle a lot, I really struggle a lot with people in our queer community who are screaming love is love, love is love, and jumping into bed with everyone and calling that love is love, and then a silent, completely silent about the fact that 40 000 human beings have been murdered in front of us and like that's it's. That's not queer culture, that's not queer excellence, that's not us being activists or paving the way, that's us joining the patriarchy, that is us joining white supremacy and ignoring it all again. Like I, my biggest thing was when I met trey I I said this to his parents last night at dinner. I was like this is the first time in my life I feel like I've understood love, which is so sad At 33 years old.
Speaker 2:You know that's actually very powerful, right and I. But I do believe that I don't think that until meeting him and falling in love with him the way I did and realizing what love actually is, which is like we moved closer to his family, and I did it in a heartbeat We've been together, I think, six months. When I did it and I was like to the ends of the earth, any like I found home. This is home for me. Love is home and it's like family and it's a connection that is more than just you know, sex or music, or drugs or or alcohol, or or this, this chase, chase, chase, chase chase, constantly looking for the next thing and the next thing and the next thing, and and that's capitalism in one way, but it's also just the lives we all lead. We're just constantly. I don't know about you, all these. I fucking hated all the dating apps, or all the stupid dating apps and all the fucking dumb I've never had to do it.
Speaker 1:So that's that came out for me Like right Right. God, I would hate to have to like, if that's how you have to start finding somebody in the world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what chance do you have? Yeah, this gives me a lot of hope, though, that the people that like you were saying that, because I do feel like sometimes I'm like, oh God, has anyone else seen this? Like it's really kind of frightening when you're like that. Not a lot of people, I think, have. We've all sort of forgotten what the point is. You know, like that's the saddest thing. I've got friends, I had friends. That's the thing. I've found a new group of community, because I'm like these values do not sit with me anymore at all, your values of what you think is culture, queer excellence, queer culture, or black excellence, black culture, it's the gender binary Like this. This supersedes it all. It's labels.
Speaker 1:Really, we go back to the whole label thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's labels we just we've all just tribed off. We're like oh no, I'm gay, well, I'm gay, well, I'm gay. But I'm also non-binary. Well, I'm non-binary and I'm also trans. And I'm also. You know, and I get it, everybody's allowed, that we're all allowed to feel however we want to feel, and I think it's beautiful that we've accepted that about ourselves and that there is a binary and we are all conscious beings. But that's not what it is. That's not what it is about. It's great to recognize it, but you don't hop off into a camp and then start fighting the others because you think you deserve. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's where I always say that about. I always say that about lgbt community. I'm like they call it a community, but it to me it's not a community at all, like each one of those labels. Right, it's fighting. We're all battling the other, right the other community like there's no. It's not all. There's no equal it's just love that's. Yeah, that's what people see on the news. The straight people see that on the news.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they're like why are you having a pride parade when all we're seeing is is this giant spectacle of like people in arseless chaps, like, and that I understand, because we're like it's not. And they're like oh, we don't conform to heterosexual culture. I'm like it's not conforming to a culture. The culture itself is fucking wrong. Like it's wrong. It's a wrong culture.
Speaker 2:The west's culture, I think, is the problem. It's it's this constant chasing for something else which is making that culture so toxic. It's, yeah, I don't think and I think that's the trickiest part now, because I've met with so many what I'm saying. I feel like a lot of people, including my loved ones and people who are extremely anti. Uh, I've had people who have been so anti-gay reach out to me and be like listen, I'm actually not anti-gay. I've realized, like it's not anti-gay that I am. I'm actually a bit more like shit, I'm sick of this. I'm sick of this weird thing we're all doing. You've got a point and I think that's it. It's more about like, when we all stop lying to each other. Like, stop lying to each other. That's what I think the greatest, the greatest tool for us all now is to just go. Yeah, you've got a point and that's silly, like it's really silly.
Speaker 1:We shouldn't be doing that, and I'm also the first to admit um part of of the letters in our community I don't understand fully, and and so I do a podcast about it and I ask the questions that I want to know, and I've had so many people reach out to me and say I'm so thankful that you did a podcast on this subject because I didn't understand it, but I get it now for real, and I'm just thankful that you did a podcast on this subject, because I didn't understand it.
Speaker 1:but I get it now for real and I'm just like that's why we're doing it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is it and that's what we've missed. We've stopped doing that. We've stopped asking to get to know other people and just telling them so they get to know us, like exactly, that's the difference. We're not. And what is that? Trey said it to me last night and it was it cracked my universe in half because I'm like that is it.
Speaker 2:He said that we did that, saying when you grow up and it's like, treat others how you want to be treated. He was like I don't believe that. I don't think that is what you should treat. You should treat others how they want to be treated like. And I believe that, like, ask questions, get to know people, be like hey, like what will make you happiest? You want me, okay, you want, okay, you want me to call you, a, call you, they them Absolutely Like that. If that's respecting you, I'll do that. And you like to pray on Sunday? Absolutely, you do that. I'm not going to, but you do that. That's beautiful for you, enjoy that. You like? That's the level of humanity that we have completely lost. We are now just like. You want to pray on sunday?
Speaker 2:fuck you, yeah well, and you're like hang on yeah right, like he hasn't done anything, just for wanting to pray or and like, and the same on the other side like, oh, you want to be a woman, fuck you, you're not allowed to be. Like it's not allowed to be. What do you mean? We're humans.
Speaker 1:Like it's so stupid that we've all charged off into these like rabid camps that are horrible, horrible groups of people, really like it's just communities of like hateful, angry people who are lost and you find people who are in communities who say I'm in this community because we were better than everybody else, and we promote, um, that we're better than everybody else and we, we love everybody and and exactly, but they're the ones who have the most hate that is spot on, nail on the head and I think the biggest thing that I've realized it's like we're fighting this group of people who, inherently I mean it's another thing I think it's just I when I said about like being in love with trey, he's, he's opened my eyes because I've never seen the world in a space of love before you.
Speaker 2:You are, you, when you are going through life terrified of everything, you it's hard to find the love because you can't, because you, you accept the love you think you deserve. But he was explaining that, like he's a nurse, so he's seen some really horrible sights. I tell you what? I will just say this I am fascinated by the amount of people, um, that are in my life now, like the collective community that is becoming a group of family, I realize, who are all in the same sort of circles of wanting to either heal people, you know, do creative work for good, not just to make money. You know, like I feel like that is the that is.
Speaker 2:Harrison ford said it, uh, in 2019 at the un I think it was the un or the geo, the global climate summit, or so he was like there is a group of people out here who are the moral army and we need to get the fuck out of their way and I believe that's us like it's, and that's not a oh, it's so much better than everyone.
Speaker 2:I've got a lot of work to do, a lot of trauma to keep unpacking, but I'm well aware of my flaws and like where I sit in the picture and I think that's why I'm calling it out as rabidly as I am, because I've, because everybody needs to see that now, like we're too far gone to just keep going. Oh, it's fine, it'll figure. It won't figure itself out. We need to figure it out ourselves and that's I. Thank you so much for saying that and and also for your services. And nurse, I say to trey every time he gets home I'm like you guys, you should be on the oprah money. She sits around on a fat ass selling literally selling ozempic to people on her show so they can get some level of what soothing in their soul. If they look like, like the people in housewives, who will just look like melted candles at this point, like I don't, what are you doing?
Speaker 1:It's stupid, that's, that's very accurate Like thank you.
Speaker 2:You've given me an extra dose of hope and humanity today, and every day I'm getting more of it, which makes me think we are going to get through it eventually. Hard road ahead, but I do believe that in my soul now we are on the right track.
Speaker 1:I do think that I always say you get from the world what you give to the world absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2:And I do think these mega lunatics on both the left.
Speaker 1:It's like a thumbs up to just popped up what was that.
Speaker 2:did you see that? I think if I do that does it. I think that's weird. I was on a thing the other day. I did a podcast with my friend, sarah the other day and balloons started coming down, so that could happen too. Who knows? Wow, ai, we're probably being spied on by the government right now they passed that too. They passed that law too. I'm like, oh good.
Speaker 1:So you can now just watch me just from where great cool wonderful.
Speaker 2:I know it's amazing, isn't it? That's fine. Yeah, that's so fun, everything's. Do you remember that meme? I think it was early 2000, well, no, probably later than that and the dog's in the house and everything's on fire and he's just this is fine. I feel like that's the west right now, it totally is.
Speaker 1:Um, I was gonna ask you, uh, about trey. I was going to ask you about Trey, but I was going to ask you what love looks like to you.
Speaker 2:Oh well, that could get me crying, but I think, no, that's a really good question and something that we're not asking enough, and that's why like people, like you are the people I believe who will save the world. I believe. I believe that with all my heart. I really do. That's not even hyperbole or trying to amp it up. It's people like you who are asking these questions and getting that message out, instead of the constant hate and anger that we are seeing all the time. So I'll say that first, because I think that is the most poignant question that everyone should be asking in every news outlet.
Speaker 2:What does love mean to you, president biden? Like what does it mean to you as you're signing billions of dollars to go in and decimate families? Like what is love to everyone? Where is love? And to me, it is this feeling that like I would rather die than ever let anyone go through what I'm seeing. Like I would rather stand really strong in what I'm talking about for the rest of my life, for however long that is, and know in my heart that, like it's this is, I'm in a really good place in my soul, like I'm not worried about what's after or what came before, or like I am worried about coming back here, doing, doing this again or like, or like God forbid we all die and come back in Gaza or another part of the world that is being ravaged by this level of violence and have to figure it out there. Like it's there's.
Speaker 2:I don't believe we are all here for for just fun. I believe there is a reason we came and, like, found out earth bodies and families, and I think it is to do good and to show love out earth bodies and families, and I think it is to do good and to show love and to ask these questions and to find community and and to be good people. You know, like, and that that is where I think it's. It's been lost and and language has been so screwed up because what you just said is like. That gave the relief I felt just from hearing somebody be like what does love mean to you? Yeah, yeah, instead of like, what do you think of Trump and Biden and the election? Like, it's this constant like.
Speaker 2:I, what Like let's just talk about the fact that there's people who are like desperately needing help. Like you know, it seems like we've all, just we're all so angry.
Speaker 1:It's so true, it's so true.
Speaker 2:But, like, but at the wrong people. You know like we're angry at the wrong people and I think, once we all realize that it takes just all of us to be like, enough, no, you're not getting our tax dollars to do this anymore. Yeah, no, we're not doing it. There's a protest on in Columbia University right now and that's right before I joined this I saw the police head. Of course, they're always there when you don't need them, never there when you are when you do. But they turned up with 17 squad cars or something ridiculous, all correctional facility, like they're going to take all of these students who are just camping on the grounds demanding a ceasefire and demanding that the Columbia University withdraw the funds that they funds that are going towards the genocide. So they're just organizing, which is what America claims to be free of. They claim to say that we're continually fighting fascism, yet the police are there escorting students to jails for protesting a genocide. Like we are already in the Handmaid's Tale, we're already in genocidal mania right now.
Speaker 2:And the people who were like, oh what if Trump gets in? I'm like you've missed the point entirely. If Trump gets in, it's because of you, if Trump gets in, it's because you've done nothing and like. That is why, and because the Democrats have let it happen. And I am so furious about this because I do love America and I love the nature that I'm around and I do love the spirit that is somewhere here, cause it's it definitely is somewhere here, because that's what's led me to, you know, to this beautiful family that I'm now part of and we train like. So I know that there's a beautiful soul here, but what the fuck is everyone doing? It's just, it's just. It's so tiring it is. I'm gonna ask you tried to bring that back around and I was like how do I do that?
Speaker 1:I'm gonna ask a question that I ask um everybody that I speak to, since international men's day and yeah, yeah, it's a good and the question is what does being a man mean to you?
Speaker 2:another. See, you're the oprah we need, kevin, that's, you really are this. These are the questions we need not hello everyone, we're gonna sell you some drugs today. Who wants to not be fat anymore? Like, go away, oprah. To be a man, to be a man to me is.
Speaker 2:I can answer what I don't think being a man is, and I think that, like the patriarchy is so um, I think the patriarchy and I think the white supremacy has taken the form of male consciousness and now that that is like insidiously perverse in every level of our society and like from sexuality to gender, to the, to the gender binary, to like the whole gender binary, to like the whole, that is where I think the male consciousness is is so wrong, because I think being a man to me is like family and and and love and community, like you know, what we would like we've been talking about is just like finding our, our, our family, and finding our heart and realizing that, like I don't know about you, or or just this, or fathers in general, I, I, I love my dad. I'm gonna keep saying that till the end of time. I will love my dad forever. But he is a generation of men and not not always the case, though, because that's just not across the board but he is one of a generation of men who, I believe, think that the only way to get stuff in life is to fight, or the only way to get anywhere in life is to to is it is a transactional thing right down to like every single interaction in life is some way transactional. Like and I do think that's probably the biggest issue is like being human is not transactional, you know, like capitalism. Yeah, sure, we can have shiny stuff and like whatever, but when it's starting to hurt people at the level it's hurting, I think that's when we've sort of lost what it means to like being a man or being a woman, or being a them, or being trans man or trans woman.
Speaker 2:What about being just a human being and like. I'm so sad that like we've all forgotten not all of us like that, so many have forgotten that that it's like none of these little tribes will matter if we don't have a planet to all live on. Like, if we all blow each other up and there's just a hole left in this world, then what is the point of our weird tribal wars? What is the point of capitalism, this endless growth like what is that? What are we doing it for if we're all gonna just perish? But I I watched this is I will bring this back because I think this is a a nice way of wrapping that up.
Speaker 2:I watched interstellar the other night and that was such a beautiful illustration of if you watch it again, because I haven't seen it in a while I watch it and it's an illustration of like healing the male narcissism that we are all seeing. It's like the males having that, that deep narcissistic viewpoint that they've got it right. Everyone else is stupid. It's war, war, war, more, more, more, like that's the only way it's been, because that's the only way it's ever been, and god forbid we change. Anything that has to change, has to change that mentality that like we're gonna keep on fighting until there's nobody left is so fucking stupid because it's like there's nobody left now, like we've lost humanity.
Speaker 2:Now. I believe that like we need to find that again, but the, the greater public seem to have been like what happened to us now, really frightening to see that. So, for me, being a man is this being a man should be finding your soul, I would say finding who you are and trying to do good with it, instead of trying to conquer, divide and like just cause chaos. Like stop causing so much chaos. It's do you know what else? Lastly, I'm just, you're probably like shut up no, I love it.
Speaker 2:I watched sound of music for the first time last week and maria von trap, based on the real story, did you say for the first time? But the first time because I grew up watching um oliver. So I just thought, oh, this is the only cool story. My dad, I remember being growing up and all the guys in my life, like the adult males, like you don't watch sound of music, it's, that's a girl's. You don't watch that, you watch oliver.
Speaker 2:That's about, like overcoming adversity and doing that. And I was like, okay, right, no, it's not. It's about the woman who gets beaten to death for saving someone she loves. Like that's actually the story of Oliver. It's someone who loves a kid so much that she's willing to die for a child at the hands of her own man. Like that's Oliver. And Sound of Music I watched. And it's about a man who at first is a narcissist, who doesn't know how to deal with his family, but by the end saves his family because he comes together, realizes what an asshat he's been and saves them by getting them out of there, like together, not not being the dick and sending one off and going good luck.
Speaker 2:Like that's not I said to my mom, because we were talking about oliver, because I've been obsessed with that movie my whole life, and I was like you know what Nancy should have done? She should have ran away with Oliver. That's what she should have done. She shouldn't have run and given back to another guy. She should have taken him and ran away together Because those two together deserved love, deserved happiness Exactly, yeah. And we've got this thing where we need to have someone as a hero. Someone's got to die. No, they don't. We don't need anyone to die for there to be happy ever afters. But I feel like that's where we're all at now. We're like well, who will pay? How about we all stop fucking paying?
Speaker 1:Exactly, exactly. I love that your answer is similar to almost every answer I've received when I've asked that question and I started that. I did a panel of men for International Men's Day and they were all straight men, and they all had amazing answers and it was about finding a balance between the feminine energy and their feelings and emotions. And then I said maybe I should re-ask the question, Maybe it should be about what is being a good human.
Speaker 2:And you just said that as well in that answer. No, but that's really so interesting. I love that you've asked that to men, though, specifically straight men, because that should be that question in itself. Needs to? I think, a hundred percent. What does being a man to you, to a straight white man needs to, or just just just everyone.
Speaker 2:I think is such a cool because we've all got the mentality of a man in our head now that's right think that we need to conquer everything to get anywhere, and that's a male mentality and I think we all grew up with like, oh man, yeah, yeah oh yeah, man up, don't cry get on with it.
Speaker 2:Get on with it like, yeah, what does getting on with it mean? Look where we've gotten on with it too. Like, and you know, what I do find great solace in is that there is a the. The people who are the most terrified are the ones in this that there's not. We're not the minority anymore and they know this. The minority is hate, hate and like this level of violence and evil. That is the minority. Human beings are not wired to behave like that. You know how. Like, if you watch another day, I mean it's horrific. But it's what happened the Manson murders. They killed a woman who's pregnant, killed following the death. Like horrific. Killed following the day, like horrific.
Speaker 2:And, um, I think trey was talking about beyonce doing a performance and he was like you know what she is committed. And I was like, yeah, so with the manson family doesn't mean she's great, like just like. You know what I mean. You can be passionate about something. Doesn't mean you're in the right fucking direction, like she's not doing anything helpful. Her billionaire status, beyonce, taylor Swift, trump, elon Musk, anyone, oprah fucking Winfrey that level of wealth is causing so much damage right now, so much damage Like it's funding a genocide, that level of wealth. So, yeah, you do need to kind of re-evaluate that, and that's a good question, I think, for all. Nail Like what do you?
Speaker 1:I love asking that question. Let's just move on to our quick fire and I will let you crack on with your beautiful day.
Speaker 2:I'm just first, I want to like wrap with me just saying thank you to you, like thank you for giving me a place to just rant for a minute and for listening to me pop off and for doing what you're doing, cause I I mean it. You guys, it's people like you who saved the world. Right now. We do not need more people like Kim Kardashian flogging the idea of work while she sits on her plastic ass, like we need people asking questions that you're asking and I'm so grateful to. Yeah, to become friends with you and to have you like, have you invite me on and and, yeah, just keep doing what you're doing, cause it's thank you Give me on and and, yeah, just keep doing what you're doing because it's thank you gives me hope and relief thank you I just think voices like yours so important, yeah, like clawing at the doors now I'm like where?
Speaker 1:is let's crack on with some quick fire and have some fun. What is the last thing you googled?
Speaker 2:oh, can I check?
Speaker 1:there'll be quick fire when it's edited.
Speaker 2:Yeah sorry, I read spiritual quotes for anxiety, so that's where.
Speaker 1:I'm at mentally. How big is your inner circle? Five, six people.
Speaker 2:I'd say Really close to me, I guess. But I like the idea of something a bit bigger. So I would like to grow my inner circle to humanity. That's what I'd like.
Speaker 1:So I'm very keen for that Best compliment you've ever received. You're really kind. Yeah, weirdest gift you've ever received.
Speaker 2:Weirdest gift, not weird, but these are really cute. I want to show you them because Gina friend Gina Davis, got me these and it's a name droppy thing, but I'm only name dropping because she does so much good work for the world and also Susan Sarandon is a big pro Palestine anti-genocide activist right now.
Speaker 1:I love Susan Sarandon.
Speaker 2:Crushing it. Thelma and Louise are going to save the world as well. But yeah, Gina got me these coasters, which are cat coasters. I love Susan.
Speaker 1:Sarandon, have you ever had a paranormal experience?
Speaker 2:I would say kind of weird. But I found myself remember the solar eclipse last week I was sobbing in here on the floor like proper bawling and I was like this is overwhelmingly painful. And I not that I haven't, I've seen, we've all seen war, like we've seen nightmarish images coming from the war in Iraq and you know we've seen these but something clicked and I could not stop crying. It was just this overwhelming. It completely cracked me in half and I was like could not get off the floor.
Speaker 2:But I remember after I came out of that I kind of knew where my heart sat for the clearest time of my life. I was like I know exactly what I'm here to do and it's not to pander to these fucking elites and try and get in their weird club. It's like to try and find my own humanity and let everybody else find theirs. Because I do believe that's what we are at a crossroads in in our lives now and I'm so. I I think that would you know how they call it, um, the dark night of the soul or, you know, like a spiritual experience.
Speaker 2:I would say that was it for me around the eclipse, around the time the eclipse happened, I think, and I kind of connect the dots.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that what is an insult you received that you're proud of?
Speaker 2:um, the other day, uh, so you, you, you're anti-gay, you're anti-progress, you're, you don't like gay culture. And I was like that is a compliment, because you think that I am anti-gay culture when in fact I'm just anti-western culture. And so should everyone. Everyone should be anti-western culture because it's landed us in the mess we're at. So I'm proud of that I am proud of that define happiness with trey and Define happiness With Trey and the loved ones I have around me here for sure.
Speaker 1:What is your favorite word? Dogs.
Speaker 2:Word.
Speaker 1:Love. What are you most excited about right now?
Speaker 2:The present moment more, trying to enjoy the present and just staying in it as long as I can, instead of getting too overwhelmed. As you know, I ramble a lot, so I think when I, when I come back to the now, it's a little easier to digest everything what is the most used app on your phone google or instagram?
Speaker 1:who is somebody that you would love to sit down and have five minutes coffee with? Oh, that's a really good one.
Speaker 2:Oh, I get five minutes. Kevin Huvane at CAA. Kevin Huvane at CAA, I'd love to have five minutes of your time. I followed you up for the last week. You know who I am. We hung out and you own the biggest talent agency in the world. You're a co-owner, co-partner of the biggest talent agency in the world and you're all silent. So we need your voice asap. Kevin. Not this kevin.
Speaker 1:No, no, kevin huvain yeah, you can google him. He's, he's a, he is the big shot.
Speaker 2:I know who he is and yeah he was. He knew who I was when he thought I, when he thought he could have helped me become an actor. Now I'm like I don't want to become an actor, I don't want to do your Marvel superheroes to fake, you know. To save a fake made up planet, we all need to save the one we're in and do it soon. So like, let's all help each other.
Speaker 1:Let's stick to this theme. And what's your favorite swear word?
Speaker 2:Fuck, I say that on an average of like every few seconds, I think at this point just constantly screaming.
Speaker 1:Bath or shower Shower. Me too, I can't say I don't have patience for a bath.
Speaker 2:Same. See, I have ADHD, though, so that could be it too.
Speaker 1:Maybe I do, but I just don't have the patience to sit in the bath.
Speaker 2:No, you seem way more calm.
Speaker 1:I like I have too many things to do. I'm like no, I just can't sit here. Yeah.
Speaker 2:How do you relax? Oh, bike riding, with myself or with Trey. We go for lots of bike rides, which is so nice. Being outside in nature, getting back down to nature, is good. What's your favorite song at the moment? Oh, do you know what? Can I say a few? I'm listening to the soundtracks of chitty chitty bang bang. Sound of music, oliver, uh, um lay, miserab. Like if we listen to all of the art that has been shown to us and thrown at us and we actually listen to the words and the lyrics and watch the movie and listen to the screenplay, I feel like that is where we've all become robots. We get so much content that now we're all like, like we don't know what we're even fucking consuming, and it's like there are so many messages.
Speaker 1:We're so used to these uh 30 second clips as well.
Speaker 2:We're just scrolling I mean the sound of music we watched over two nights because it was a three hour movie. I'm like when did that happen? We could have got through that. I spent three hours watching movies before, but attention spans of goldfish we need to all.
Speaker 1:Totally Describe yourself in three words.
Speaker 2:Kind passionate loopy. If your life were a movie, what would it be called?
Speaker 1:send me on my way and who would play you me?
Speaker 2:I would like to I'd like us to get some of our own roles back.
Speaker 1:It would be nice tell me about the three most influential people in your life my mom my mom for sure, uh Trey and, I think, ram Dass.
Speaker 2:at the moment I'm reading a lot of Ram Dass and he's got a really beautiful way of making me calm. His writing is really helpful in terms of spirituality and being anxious. I'm really anxious, a lot about what's happening. So I think just trying to find some peace in it all is really lovely, and I find that with books. So I'd say him.
Speaker 1:Yes, and what's your favorite number? Eight, eight, great. Well, I'm going to leave it with this. I don't want to keep you any longer than I have.
Speaker 2:I'm such a huge fan and so grateful, so thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1:I love this conversation. Keep doing great things. Yes, you too, you too, thanks again, thanks again.