Surviving the Flames, A Journey from Addiction to Firewalk Mastery with Dave Albin

Have you ever witnessed someone's life unfurl and reshape right before your eyes? In our latest episode, we're joined by Dave Albin, a man who walked through fire—literally—and emerged as a beacon of personal transformation. Dave's story is a powerful odyssey from addiction's chains to the liberation of self-mastery, revealing how rites of passage like the firewalk can ignite the human spirit's potential for profound change.

This isn't just a conversation about walking on hot coals; it's about the journey of life itself and how embracing transformative experiences can build resilience. We discuss the significance of rites of passage in our contemporary world, the struggle for purpose, and the cathartic release found in firewalking and martial arts rituals. Witnessing Dave's evolution from a volunteer at Tony Robbins events to orchestrating global firewalks underscores the ripple effect our own growth can have on those around us. His leap into entrepreneurship, spurred by a chance conversation with a Google executive, exemplifies the unexpected twists that often lead to our greatest achievements.

Wrap up your morning routine and tune in to uncover the transformative power of state management and daily rituals. Dave shares his morning discipline, a testament to the philosophy that how we start our day can set the tone for our growth and success. Drawing inspiration from Viktor Frankl's wisdom, we delve into the significance of choice, understanding, and honesty in navigating life's trials. By the end, you'll be moved to consider how you too can harness these practices, potentially transforming your own life and reaching out to others, such as veterans in need through initiatives like Dave's 'Operation Do No Harm.' Join us for this deeply inspirational exploration of rising from the ashes and walking confidently into a life of purpose.

Key Moments in this episode
21:46 The Transformative Power of the Firewalk Experience

22:06 The Life-Changing Decision at a Tony Robbins Seminar

26:53 The Mesmerizing Firewalk Experience

28:58 The Aftermath: Realizations and Celebrations

29:50 Day Two: A New Dawn of Connection and Possibility

34:58 Expanding Horizons: Firewalking with Google and Beyond

42:15 A New Mission: Empowering Veterans and Beyond

48:35 The Power of Purpose and the Right of Passage

How to reach Dave
Website: http://www.firewalkadventures.com/

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

You know, there's this thing in men's work called rights of passage, and it happens pretty regularly. But the other thing I came across the other day was this thing called misoji. It's an action that is so profound that once you do it, once, it shapes an entire year and can even transform your lifetime. You know, unfortunately today we have very few rights of passage, which we're really struggling for in society, you know, because we built a society where men are not as strong and resilient as we used to be, and they are. It is much different than other cultures. So, you see, rights of passage and our dust, not for men, they're for everyone, as we're going to talk about today. And so today my guest is going to share his rise from the ashes of addiction to becoming the number one instructor in the fire walk ritual.

Speaker 1: 0:42

Now, before we get in all that, I just want to remind everyone how, just how hard it is for us to be men today, and nothing more challenging. And for many of us, the pain is of being a man is very real. For us it's a pain of loneliness and unworthiness, and it's masked by our anger and our resentments because we are uncertain and afraid to take that next step. So if you're tired and fed up of where your life is at, then I'm going to encourage you to start your hero's quest, where you can become more, accomplish more and live more than ever before. Just go to members, dot the net and start your quest today, and with that let's get on with today's episode.

Speaker 2: 1:22

The average man today is sleepwalking through life, many never reaching their true potential, let alone ever crossing the finish line to living a purposeful life. Yet the hunger still exists, albeit buried amidst his cluttered mind, misguided beliefs and values that no longer serve him. It's time to align yourself for greatness. It's time to become a revolutionary man. Stay strong, my brother.

Speaker 1: 1:51

Welcome everyone to the revolutionary man podcast. I'm the founder of the Wiccan man movement and your host, alan DeMonceau. So let me ask you have you ever had the experience of a rite of passage? And if so, how did it transform you? And if not, would you be willing to participate if it meant changing your life? You know, one of the things that I see all the time in men's work and in corporations is that they're looking for an experience where their people can participate in a transformational activity, so they can use this metaphor for mastering their life's obstacles, and this experience can help them become stronger and more resilient than then they ever were before. And so where does one go to find these experiences? Well, they can actually do, and actually do that work. Well, that is some of what we're going to talk about today. So allow me to introduce my guest.

Speaker 1: 2:37

Dave Albin is a number one instructor in America with a 1000 year old ritual of passage called the fire walk. You know that one was popularized by Tony Robbins. Dave has worked for Tony for more than 20 years and started fire walk productions in 2014, leading hundreds of thousands of people that's right, hundreds of thousands of people through the fire walk, setting a world record with Tony back in London in 2005, with over 12,300 people going through it. His success has a scary and a violent past and we're going to touch on that today. And then, on June 8th in 1988, he finally, when he had finally put a gun to his head to stop the excruciating pain from both drug and alcohol addition, he can probably say that in 2023 will mark 35 years sobriety. I'm so excited to have Dave on the show. Welcome to the show, dave. How are things today, my friend?

Speaker 3: 3:28

Thanks, alan, thanks for having me man. Yeah, what a what a what a turn of events there. You know, I really lucked out in my life in so many ways, because I spent a great deal of my time trying to screw it up really bad, and in spite of myself, I was able to come out the other side and I was handed a gift of this, this, this fire walk experience, and when I first was introduced to it, you know I wanted nothing to do with it. It didn't make any sense to me at all. But before I get too deep into that, let me back up and share one thing with your audience, because I, like I like to let them know that there was a really ugly side of me and I was able to. With help of a lot of other wonderful human beings, I was able to get out of that. And so, just before I was too much, before I was born, my, my biological father we don't know exactly what happened. All we know is that he hit his head, he heard his head. He was a pilot in Korea and to save his life, they put a plate in his head. Well, that created a tremendous amount of pain and apparently he told my mom on many occasions that he didn't know how long he could take it, and literally two months before I was born he told my mommy was going to the grocery store and we never saw her from him again. So we don't know, but my mom does think that he probably took his own life. And so when I was born, I was born to a single mom. She already had two boys, so I was the third. We were living with my grandmother, her mother, and we had another cousin living with us as well One bedroom apartment. There were six of us, and so my mother came from, I believe, the strongest and most courageous generation of all time my parents and all my buddies that I grew up.

Speaker 3: 5:09

Parents. They came through the Great Depression. They had to face the Nazis in Germany when Hitler was trying to take over the world. When the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor, the rest of the men that were in the Air Force and the Navy were over there taking care of that situation. The army and the Marines were over in Europe, you know, fighting that war. So what did that leave? Well, guess the women were doing when all this was happening? Everything. They did it all, man. They built jeeps, they built trucks, they built tanks, they built rifles, they put munitions together.

Speaker 3: 5:44

My mother, my biological mother, was known as Rosie the Riveter. She was working for my Donald Douglas and she was out on that wing man driving, driving you know those rivets and building airplanes. So that generation knew hard work, they knew resilience. If something broke they fixed it. And you know again, I think they were the most badass generation of our time, and so you know.

Speaker 3: 6:10

My point of that is, my mom was working hard, she was working as a server, she was working at the Roosevelt Hotel in Hollywood and you know, in spite of herself and how hard she was working, it wasn't enough. There were way too many mouths to feed. And so when I was five years old, my biological mother went to her oldest sister, my aunt Pat, and said well, you adopt David, and her and her husband, bob, said absolutely. So they did. I'm five years old, don't have a lot of memory of it. All that I know is that the next thing I know I'm in Long Beach, california. So Bob now my dad right was a highly decorated officer in World War II. He was a military officer in the Army, in the National Guard. So we had a nice house. We had things. We, you know. We went on a lot of trips. They took me camping all over Southern California. We went to Big Bear and Lake Arrowhead and Lake Havasu and Yosemite. I mean it was beautiful and my life was absolutely perfect.

Speaker 3: 7:09

Now, in four, six years after that adoption, now I don't know them to be anything other than my parents. I don't know. They're my aunt and uncle growing up, right. Well, on the first day of summer in 94, literally the first day, mom came and got me out of the TV room and said come in the kitchen, your dad and I need to speak with you. Well, what I think is going to happen is they're going to tell us where we're going to go camp in that particular summer, like they did all the time. And my mom looked at me and she put her hand on my arm and she, with tears in her eyes, she said David, what we need to tell you is we're not your parents. Okay, well, I'm 11. What does that mean? What do you? Of course, that's like. You know. The analogy I use is like going outside and looking at the sky and it says blue as could be, and they're trying to tell you the sky's not blue. Well, it looks pretty darn blue to me, you know, looks like you've been my parents to me. And so they even went on to tell me that you know, you're your, your aunt Dean. Yeah, well, she's actually your mother.

Speaker 3: 8:06

And I remember at the time thinking I don't even like her. And the reason I didn't like her is when she was around me she wanted to maul me, right. She wanted to sit next to me and hold me and kiss me and hug me and all that and and we'll do, I'm her son. But at the time I didn't know that, right. So it was just, it wasn't. It was just, it wasn't awkward, it was just like you know, you know how you are when you know boys, when we're that age, we don't want to be kissed by you know, our aunt or whatever, right. So, anyway, yeah, there you go. Yeah, you know, get away. You know cooties, whatever, I don't know. Anyway, she was, it was never inappropriate, it was just all. When she got a time when she had a moment to be around me, she took it and she, and so you know, that was just the way it was with her.

Speaker 3: 8:52

Well, shortly after they told me this, both Bob and Pat started drinking. Now they had sworn off alcohol when I was five, when they adopted me, and now we are six years later and they both started drinking at the same time and it got ugly real fast. I can tell you that alcohol doesn't. It doesn't screw around, it starts screwing up people's lives really fast. My mom was kind of a playful, funny, kind of cheerful drunk, if you will, or Bob not so much. He was not a nice guy when he drank at all, he was vicious. And so one day they went to the grocery store.

Speaker 3: 9:27

Now, back in the 60s, you could do that, right, you could leave your kids home, nobody cared, it was all good, nobody was going to. You know, all the neighbors did it right. In fact, you'd call the neighbor across the street and say, hey, joanne, bob and I are going to the grocery store, david's going to be home. If he needs anything, he can come knock on the door, right? Yeah, of course, sure, send him over now, I'll cook him a five bologna sandwich. Of course, anybody that grew up in the 60s, you know bologna sandwiches, all about right.

Speaker 3: 9:52

So sure enough, they went to the store and then I was looking at it man, I'm looking. I know where the booze is. They were hiding it at plain site and I went over and I opened up that cabinet and I pulled out that bottle and I set it down on the table and I looked at it and I poured about a half cup of that it was brandy into a coffee cup. Boom Down it went. And now and I never had a chance, ever I truly believe I was an alcoholic right on the spot. You know I started acting out. You know I wanted more. I mean, it was like it was like pouring rocket fuel into me and there was a lot of alcoholism in my family anyway, and I was no exception. I lined right up for it. So that just progressed from there and it's kind of moving forward. By the time I was a junior in high school, they brought me into the principal's office one day and said Albin, out, we're done with you, you're out of here Now. I didn't care, I was good. I did not think that anything that I was learning in high school was going to aid me in how I made money or I took care of myself in my life. I didn't believe that. In fact, it was a Paul Simon song back in those days and one of the lyrics was when I think back of all the crap I learned in high school, it's a wonder I can think at all. Well, that was like my theme song, right? So it was like and I went and got a job in the biggest grocery store in the state of California. Now, by the time I was there, I already had an entrepreneurial spirit about me. When, about the same time that they both started drinking, pat would grow flowers in the backyard and she had a green thumb. They were beautiful and there was a thousand flowers in our backyard which she'd go cut them and she knew how to arrange them, really make beautiful bouquets. And she put a little twist tie around them and when she cut the flower, she cut it at an angle. She wouldn't cut it at the bottom, she cut it at an angle. And what that did was is it opened up the surface area so more water would get into the flower. They'd last longer. Then, when she put them in a bucket to send me out on the street corner to sell them, she put a little bit of seven up in that water and I'll be down. And if them darn darn flowers didn't outlast the floors, two to one and I'm, you know, something happens. I don't know what it is to this day, I still do it. If I go down and get flowers today, I bring them home, I cut them and I put them in a vase and I put water and I put a little bit of seven up in it and guess what? They'll last for two weeks. So yeah, so there I was.

Speaker 3: 12:14

I was learning how to negotiate with adults. They were. They buy my flowers. Shortly after that, I got a paper route. Now, when you get a paper route, you better be an entrepreneur, because you it's ever, it's your business man. You've got to do it. It's seven days a week. You've got to go to a location. You've got to pick up your papers. You've got to fold them, put a rubber band on them, load them into your saddlebags, put them on your bike, drive your route and deliver them in. And if you did a good job when you delivered them, guess what they do when you came by to collect the money they tip you. So you know, you learn right.

Speaker 3: 12:47

And I also lived across the street from a golf course, and I love that. And here's the. Here's one of the things I learned about golfers at a really young age. They suck, they're horrible, right. And so I would ride the perimeter of the golf course on my stingray bicycle and guess what? I'd find Golf balls everywhere, right. And I also knew in the places like right handers, if it was a dog laid left. There was this one hole, the ninth hole. It was a dog laid left going back into the clubhouse. Well, a right hander, if they had a slice boop over the fence, it went boop, boop. And so I took the balls home, I'd clean them, I'd go back to the golf course and in the trash they have the boxes that the golf balls come in. Well, I'd take those out of the trash and go home and clean the balls and put them in those trays and then I'd organize them titleist, max, fly, dunlop, wilson's, right. And then I'd go back into the parking lot of the golf course and sell them back to the golfers, right? So here's what I learned at a really young age. There's money out there, go get it. Good things come for those who hustle right, Absolutely. And so that was. You know, I had that gift, if you will.

Speaker 3: 13:56

And but things got worse. Right From alcohol I went to drugs and I got heavy heroin, cocaine, lots of it, and a couple of marriages. Later I'm in my third marriage. I'll move this. You mentioned June 8th of 88. Yeah, so when I woke up that morning, I'm in the basement and I married a woman who had three kids or my stepkids. They're living upstairs. They want to stay away from me because I'm pretty bad at this point.

Speaker 3: 14:21

And when I woke up on that that morning I said that's it, I'm done, I'm out, I'm not doing this anymore. This is way, way, way too emotionally painful and physically painful. This is real easy Lock and load put it in my mouth, boom, pull the trigger. Well, as I'm wrestling with that, it dawns on me Hold on a second pal, you pull that trigger and, yeah, maybe your troubles are over, but those three kids that you agreed to be their stepfather, you're going to ruin their life. You can't do that. Got to find another way, pal, got to figure out to do something else, because you can't kill yourself, because you know everybody around you. You kill everybody around you when you do that, right, we all know that, and so that was what's going through my head.

Speaker 3: 15:03

Well, the next style I had was call alcoholics anonymous. Well, the interesting thing about that, alan, was I didn't know who the hell it alcoholics anonymous was. I've never been to an AA meeting, I didn't know anybody in AA, and yet there's the thought call alcoholics anonymous. So I did, and I got this wonderful human being on the phone and I affectionate this moment save my life. And I affectionately nicknamed her match. And the reason I did that is because she talked like this she probably smoked two packs of Paul ball nonfilters a day, right? Well, she was the gatekeeper, all right. So her, it's her job to interview you and if she thinks it's warranted, then she'll. She'll call somebody to come over and pick you up and take you to an AA meeting. Well, apparently I passed the test. She called a guy by the name of Lauren. Lauren came over, took me to a, took me to an AA meeting and all men's group, and that's when it started.

Speaker 3: 15:57

I got a really big keeping dose of AA that day for meetings 1234, 3638, 30. And when I was there, they took a big book of alcoholics anonymous and they opened it up to the front cover and they all wrote their name there on their phone number and it said before you take that first drink, call one of us Interesting. They put their first name in the phone number and they handed that to me and sent me home with it. At the same time they sent me home with one of these little chip and it said 24 hours, the Serenity trip, right, and so you know. The next day I went to an AA meeting again and then I got a week and then I got a month, they gave me another one, and then two months they gave me another one. Three months they gave me another one. Six months they gave me another one, and nine months they gave me another one. And at one year I got the one year chip.

Speaker 3: 16:44

And, as you said this last June 8th of this year, I've been cleaning sober for 35 years. Now here's where, here's where how I kind of took the path to go into the personal development route I had. When I was getting sober I had insomnia, so I was up late at night all the time. My sleep patterns were all over the place. Now, remember, I'm coming off heroin, I'm coming off cocaine and I'm coming off alcohol, and I can tell you it's not a fun ride, it's, it's. It doesn't look anything like something fun. I can tell you that I've had, I've literally had people tell me that clinical psychologists told me one time he said, you know, I don't know if you know this or not, but the chances of you making it out with having to deal with all three of those is astronomical. And I said, doc, that's great. Don't tell me the odds, I don't want to know. But I know, I knew what she was talking about. And so, yeah, there he was one night, three o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 3: 17:38

Mr Motivation, you know a young Tony Robbins. There he is, you know, selling Gunthy Ranker, through Gunthy Ranker, selling his program called Personal Power. It's a 30 day program. And I, you know what I went. I couldn't stand it. I thought what a pompous ass this guy is. Man, I don't like this guy at all. He's all motivated, you know, mary, he's all enthusiastic and I'm not motivated, I'm not enthusiastic, I'm hurting, bad right. But he said a couple of things that kept me listening and kept me in the game. The one thing he said was we'll do more to avoid pain than we will to gain pleasure. And I went okay, okay, yeah, yeah, I get that? Sure, because I'm drinking and drugging and guess what I'm chasing? Or running away from pain and pleasure, right and so. But the one that really got me said you know the driving force in our life, how we make decisions, we do it out of inspiration or desperation. And I went oh my gosh, he nailed me. And so I bought his program and they sent it to me, came in a big box and it came on these little white things called Custapes, your audience is going to go. What are cassette tapes? They're in the Smithsonian. They're right next to eight track tapes. And I was just thinking of the track. And so, yeah, man, I plugged them in, did what the man taught me to do and guess what? It worked.

Speaker 3: 19:00

I started making major changes. I was in a really bad marriage, so I had to start planning my exit strategy. I was overweight, so I started working out. I lost a bunch of weight and my attitude was changing. I started a new business. I started a show for school in DC, because at the time I was selling limousines, and so I thought, wow, sell limousine, start a show for school, you can graduate. It made a lot of sense, right Back to my entrepreneurial mindset. And, yeah, man, and it just, it just went from there, right?

Speaker 3: 19:29

Well, one of my buddies in AA came to me one day and he said hey, man, what's going on with you? There's something going on. I kind of like it, man, you seem really enthusiastic. I like how you look. You know your new business. Because what are you doing? And I said well, I'm listening to this guy named Tony Robbins. And he goes Tony Robbins, I know Tony Robbins is. I bought his book but I never read it. And I went well, how often does that show up in your life? Right? And I said look, I've got his program, I've got his cassettes. 30 days, I'll loan it to you if you promise me you'll listen to it. He said absolutely. So I did, there, you go, dude. Well, he did the same thing. He went through it and worked it.

Speaker 3: 20:09

Well, seven years later, by the way, this is all happening in 1988. Right For the whole being introduced to Robbins. Well, seven years later, in 1995, my phone rings, right, and it's my buddy, dan. He's like hey, hey, man, did you know that? I wanted to call you man, and let you know, did you know Tony Robbins is coming to town? I'm like, no, I had no idea. He goes dude, come on, you gotta go with me. You got me into this right and I said Well, what is it? I said can you go? Yeah, I can go, let's do it. He goes fantastic, I'll call you right back.

Speaker 3: 20:43

So he calls me back like an hour later and he gets me on the phone and he goes done, we pick up the tickets, that we'll call. And here's what they told us to do. Number one drink a lot of water. You've got to stay hydrated, really important. Okay, we'll drink a lot of water. What else? Bring snacks?

Speaker 3: 20:57

And the reason for that is you're going to spend a lot of time in the room. Which anybody out there that's ever been to a Tony Robbins seminar they know why I'm laughing because, yeah, believe me, you're going to spend a lot of time in the room. And then he said be ready to play full out. Bring a good attitude, absolutely. How much did the ticket cost? $695. What? What are you kidding me? This is a $1995. So what's 700 bucks worth now today? Like 1.3 million, I don't know, right, by Bitcoin, that's all I know. And I said don't worry, dan, for 695 bucks, I'll play full out.

Speaker 3: 21:32

Well, he's getting ready to get off the phone, right, he goes. Oh wait, oh stop, hold it. I forgot to tell you the most important part we're going to be doing a fire walk. And I remember thinking, oh hell, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're not doing that. That's not going to happen. Well, I'm not saying any of this, I'm verbalizing it in my head, right.

Speaker 3: 21:51

And, by the way, what's a fire walk? I don't know, I have no idea. I've never heard that term until that moment. But I'm saying no to it. I can tell you that, and so I'm just going. Yeah, sure, dan, no problem. But all right, cool man, see you then. Well, the big day comes and we get there and Tony takes the stage at two o'clock in the afternoon, and the next thing I know is after midnight We've third people at this event. I've been in a room, we've all been in a room with Tony Robbins for 10 hours, and remember, bring snacks or you'll starve to death. Yeah, those snacks came in handy. And all of a sudden you know it's after midnight. All of a sudden Tony goes take your shoes off.

Speaker 3: 22:28

And I'm like, oh, no, no, no, I see where you're going with that. Now, I'm not falling for that Ain't gonna happen. And so, and? But I'm with 3,500 people and guess what they're doing? They're taking their shoes off. And I'm thinking people, no, no, you're being tricked, don't go towards the light. It's like, oh my gosh. So now I've got a dilemma. What am I going to do? They're taking their shoes off. What am I going to do? Walk out into this big parking lot where they do the firework with my shoes on, when everybody else took their shoes off? Yeah, I'm going to do that. I'm going to get judged like crazy. So I'm like just calm down, relax, it's going to be OK. Take your shoes off and when you get out there, go in the back and hide out. Now, no one is going to know. Period, right, that's my strategy. Well, it gets worse. When Tony's got you walking out there, he gets everybody to start clapping and chanting. Right, so they're walking out. Everybody's going. Yes, yes, yes, I'm walking out there. Alan going, no, ain't going to happen. Well, it gets worse when you get out there, right Out where the firework area is, he's got African drummers.

Speaker 3: 23:34

Oh, come on. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun dun. What a dog and pony show. Right, well over in the corner of this big giant parking lot where they facilitate the firework, there's a giant fire. It's huge, it's 30 feet wide and it's every bit of 70 feet long. And they've been feeding it wood all day, just cords and cords and cords and cords of wood. Well, after 10 hours of burning, it renders. So you've got this big giant, beautiful blue flame of coals. It's gorgeous, right. So how do you firework? 3,500 people? Well, you take a whole bunch of wheelbarrows over to that big pit, you load them in wheelbarrows, they shovel it in wheelbarrows and they take a wheelbarrow and they pull it in between two lanes of sod, of grass, a fire lane, that fire lanes, you know, three feet wide, 18 feet long. And then they just take a flathead shovel and they sprinkle those coals on top of that grass. And that's what you walk on. Well, I'm not doing it, I'm hiding in the back. Well, here's the problem.

Speaker 3: 24:32

Tony Robbins knows he did his research, he knows that the firework is a thousand-year-old ride-of-passage experience. It is literally probably the most powerful experience any human can go through. And he knows that. He knows it's going to create a paradigm shift. He knows it's going to change your life, so he wants to make sure everybody participates, right. But he knows there's people like me and he knows where we are.

Speaker 3: 24:56

So what does he do, son of a? You know what? He trains people to come find you. Yeah, here he comes. I'm hiding out in the back. Here comes this dude man.

Speaker 3: 25:06

And what's interesting about this guy, alan? Without this guy I'm not here right now. I'm, you know. I've firewalked tens of thousands of people. My whole life changed everything.

Speaker 3: 25:15

But without this guy it doesn't happen. Because he walks up to me, gets 20 feet from me, he looks at me kind of weird, like there's something wrong with you, or like a dog. When it hears a funny noise, right. And he goes hey man, are you okay? And when we're not okay, what do we do? We lie, right, oh, I'm good man, all good here, man, sure, nothing to see, move along, right. And all of a sudden he says so hey man, are you going to walk tonight? And I'm like absolutely not, no way am I going to walk tonight? And he goes hey, man, he's like that's cool, no problem, we don't want you to do anything you don't want to do. And I'm like, oh okay, I like this guy Going to get me out of here. No, he says, well, listen, man, can I ask you something? I mean, wouldn't you at least like to watch? And I went, well, yeah, sure, let's do that. Let's watch these people burn their feet off. That'll be entertaining.

Speaker 2: 26:04

And he goes. Well, hey man, look where you are you can't see anything from way back here.

Speaker 3: 26:07

You're 100 yards away. He's telling the truth. I got 3,500 people standing for me. I can't see anything. Here's what I can hear, yes, yes. And then people are already walking and they're celebrating, right. So when they get to the celebration and after they walk, they're screaming and yelling and jumping up and down and it's again. Man, there's nothing like.

Speaker 3: 26:28

I've never been to anything like this other than a Tony Robbins seminar. So I'm like all right, so I'll get in line. So I get in line, right, and I'm just kind of walking along. And I'm walking along and all of a sudden this guy comes up to me and he whispers in my and he said he knows when you're ready, when he says, go, you go. And this guy just disappeared into the night. And I'm like, what was that? What do you mean? He knows when you're ready, what? So?

Speaker 3: 26:53

So now I'm walking along and I'm kind of trudging along right, and I still can't see anything from me. I got a thousand people in front of me, can't see anything, but I can see it. And I get to a point where I can see it at an angle. And now when they're doing it, man, these people are walking on hot coals. Every race, every creed, every color. They're doing it, and so now I can't take my eyes off it. It's mesmerizing, right. It's like you know seeing a car accident, right, and you're not supposed to stare at or look at it, but you stare at it anyway. Well, that's what's going on. I'm in a trance and I'm just staring. I'm walking, I'm walking. All of a sudden, boom. Guess where I am Right in front of the line.

Speaker 3: 27:29

And so now I'm looking down that fire lane, three feet wide, 18 feet long, and those coals are bright red.

Speaker 3: 27:36

You can see it visually, man, and there's a wheelbarrow there too, and you can feel the heat coming off. So it's real, real and I'm staring into the abyss, my heart's beating so hard I'm just going to jump out of my chest any minute. Well, there's a trainer standing right there and he's watching me right, and all of a sudden he goes eyes up and I'm like, oh, shoot, like startle me, right. So now my eyes are up. Well, when I was in the room with Tony for 10 hours, guess what he teaches you to do? Keep your eyes up. Don't stare at what you fear, look to the celebration in. So now my eyes are up and the trainer goes, squeeze your fist and say yes. And I went, yes. And he went stronger and I went, yes. Well, he could tell he's a trainer. He knew he could see I wasn't in a peak state and so he screamed at me, got like right in my face and screamed at me stronger and I threw my hands in the air and I screamed as loud as I could. And he goes, go, go, go. I took off, right. Remember the guy. He knows when you're ready, when he says go, you go, I went.

Speaker 3: 28:35

And here's the first thing I learned about Firewalker. I think everybody learns the same lesson when they do it. When you take the first step, oh, you'll take the second, third, fourth and fifth. I guarantee you You're not going to walk halfway out there and stop, I guarantee you that. And so Tony positions a couple of guys at the end right, they lock their arms, they catch you and they catch you and they go. Stop, wipe your feet and celebrate. And I'm wiping my feet and I'm celebrating. And also that dawns on me oh, my gosh, I've burnt myself really, really bad. And so I look at my foot it hits dirty, but there's no burns. Oh, it's my other foot Same thing Real dirty, no burns.

Speaker 3: 29:12

And so now I'm feeling one of the most exhilarating moments of my entire life ever. And I'm down there with 3,500 people that are all doing the same thing, they're celebrating it, they're screaming, they're yelling. The excitement level is off the chain because all of us, our self-confidence, our self-belief and our self-worth all got raged up together at the same time, and so our frequency collectively all raged Right. So I'm like, hey, where's the bus? Let's go. Climb Everest, people, let's go. I mean, at that moment you think you could do anything, literally. Well, here's where it gets really interesting, though the next day.

Speaker 3: 29:50

So this is a four-day event. That was day one, the night of. Now we're going into day two, so we're in the four-year, and 3,500 people Best I could tell everybody was on time too Pretty amazing, and I've never seen a witness do anything like that in my life. I'm sitting here watching these people and I'm watching how they're communicating. They're laughing, some of them are crying, they're hugging, they're high-fiving. I mean, the energy that morning was intense. Again, I'd never seen or witnessed anything like that in my life, humanistically, the way people were getting along and I'm like so did we drink the Kool-Aid last night? Yeah, I'm pretty sure we all drank the Kool-Aid last night, and that's exactly what Tony wants. Right? He's got you now where your brain is going. Okay, I walked on coals last night. There were a thousand degrees. I didn't burn myself. What else can I do? Let's go into day two. Tony, here we go.

Speaker 3: 30:40

And so later in the event, I met one of Tony's trainers, a guy by the name of Ted Macy. I love this guy. He's such a beautiful human, him, and his wife, mary Macy and I'm talking to Ted, really cool guy, and I'm like so, dude, you get to come and play in this environment on a regular basis, don't you? He goes, oh yeah, I get to do this 10, 12 times a year and I go. Oh my god, that must be so. I mean, how encouraging to be in an environment like this and keep yourself motivated and inspired. He goes, oh yeah, absolutely. And he goes. As a matter of fact, he goes. See those people standing over there with the black shirts and the pink writing on the back. Yeah, he goes, dude, they're volunteers, they're just like you. They were here a couple of events ago and decided to volunteer and come back and help out and put themselves in the environment. He says so, look, man, you want to be in this environment, go home, call Robin's Research. They'll send you a volunteer crew application. Fill it out, send it back. Who knows? Well, I did. I sent it back and nine weeks later I got a letter in the mail and it said Dave Albin, congratulations, you've been selected.

Speaker 3: 31:41

The crew with the Anthony Robbins companies in Fort Lauderdale, florida. Well, here we go, my foot's in the door. Now, when they look at your application, they're looking at what your qualifications are, right. So I had a military background. I had a security background. So they immediately put me on the security team to help take care of Tony celebrities, which was, I mean, we could do a whole podcast on that alone, right? And then, because I lived on a farm and I knew how to use tools and equipment and log splitters and hatchets and things of this nature, they put me on the fire building team, which is exactly what I wanted, and so that was all happening in 95, 99. And so I I crewed like five or six times.

Speaker 3: 32:21

Now you got to pay your way as a volunteer, right. So you got to pay your airfare, your hotel, your travel, your expenses, all of it. Well, hello, I'm spending 1500 bucks or more every time I'm going and my wife's like this, who's Tony rabbits? You know, she doesn't know anything, she's never been, she didn't know, right, she had no references, and so, and I'm spending 1500 bucks, and she didn't like it and she was right. She was absolutely right.

Speaker 3: 32:44

Well, something happened that changed my life forever. They hired me as a subcontractor and so they paid my way, they offered me a job kind of a thing, as a as a, again as an independent contractor, and they paid my way. So they paid my airfare, my hotel, per diem, and they paid me you know a couple of hundred dollars per event. So I went from being in the red every time to being in the black right. They did another smart thing they gave me a free ticket and so I gave it to my wife and my next event that I crewed, or that I got hired as a volunteer, as a subcontractor, she got to go with me and so she went through the event, did the whole thing. The night after she graduated. We were walking on the beach at one o'clock in the morning and she looked at me and she goes. I get it.

Speaker 3: 33:23

Okay, I drank the Kool-Aid, I get it. You want to run with this dude? He's pretty badass. Go ahead, you've got my blessing. And so that's how that went down. So that was all happening in 95, 96, 97.

Speaker 3: 33:36

And then in 2003, tony offered me the captain's position, which meant that I'd be in charge of all of Tony's Fireworks globally. And at first I said I can't. And they said why? And I said I homeschool my kids. And they said, oh, okay. Well, what if we paid to have your family travel with us? Would that make a difference? You think so here I'm homeschooling my kids and the next thing they know and my wife, they're on the road with their dad and their husband on tour with Tony Roberts. In fact, to the first time, my kids fire walked. My daughter was six years old and my son was nine years old. So that all went down in 2002, 2003.

Speaker 3: 34:16

I think you read there in the early notes there that in 2005 we went to London. We went to the Excel Center there on the eastern side of London and to the docklands and we did the biggest firework in our planet's history. We firewalked 12,300 people. Now I want to disclose. I say it's a world record. However, guinness Book of World Records was not there. However, to my knowledge, there's never been a firewalk with 12,300 people, and the only thing that comes even close to that is another Tony Robbins seminar, where we walked 10,000 or 9,000, whatever and so that all went down.

Speaker 3: 34:58

And then, in 2014, I'm cruising along, everything's great, and my phone rings and it's a company called Google and Google's calling me, wanting to know are you the Dave Albin that does the firewalks for Tony Robbins? Yeah, what can I do for you? Well, if you're not under any contractual obligation or non-compete, we'd like to talk to you about hiring you. And I'm like well, homeboys are free agents. What you got? And they said well, we have 148 executives graduating. They've been in a nine month curriculum. We want to create a really powerful experience for that graduation. Get it. What does Google know that a lot of us don't.

Speaker 3: 35:35

They wanted to create a really powerful experience, like changing paradigm experience, for that graduating class of 148 executives. So originally, when we were talking, they wanted to do the firewalk, but they wanted to do it during the day and I said can't do it during the day, it's a safety issue, I won't do it. So they were going to graduate, have lunch and then wanted to do the firewalk, and I'm like, no man, we can't do that. Tell you what we could do. We could do a glass walk. They're like a glass walk, you mean like walking on broken glass, yes, sir. And they said, ooh, tell us about that. And so that's what we ultimately ended up doing with my first hire from Google.

Speaker 3: 36:12

Went back the following year, did it again. I got to meet one of the executives. She pulled me aside one day and she said hey, david, look, I just want to share something with you. You're at the top of your game, man. Corporate America will eat you alive. You're starving for experiences like this that you can facilitate. These are life changing, paradigm shift experiences, man, and you're at the top of the top of the game. So I'm not telling you what to do, but you may want to think about starting your own business.

Speaker 3: 36:38

This was in 2014. And so, if Google tells you how to start your own business, because of the numbers, I thought maybe I should listen to these guys. So, yeah, man, there we were 2014. Firewalk Productions was born, and shortly after that, you know, I was at NASA, and then I was at Notre Dame, and then we went to Virginia Tech, and then Remax and Chick-fil-A and Microsoft and Heineken and YMCA, the EO organization, high schools, I mean everybody and their brother were reaching out to me to come create. You know this paradigm shift, life changing experiences and you know the bottom line now is we've been going hot and heavy ever since. No pun intended.

Speaker 1: 37:19

What an incredible story and what an incredible journey, Dave. There's just this, the thinking and listening to where you came from, as we talked about you know, really rising from the ashes, that truly that Phoenix experience. And I just think what was really incredible and reading about your story and that was hearing and thank you for bringing up about your children, Like at six and nine. I wouldn't have considered that and I'm sorry. I just wanted now either, a little bit older. How has that experience shaped their lives.

Speaker 3: 37:47

If you met my kids right now you go, yep, okay, that's Dave Alvin's kids. Like Adam, you know, my daughter has two kids, my grandkids Kayden is six and Charlotte she's about seven months old now Got an amazing man in her life who works his tail off. He's really, really good at his chosen profession. She's, in fact, he does so well that she's a stay-at-home mom. They live in Grandbury, texas, about an hour from Dallas.

Speaker 3: 38:13

My son went on to become a computer engineer. He went, he put himself through community college, paid for everything he was working, so he had no student debt and then he went on to App State University. That's where I live, by the way. I live up in the Appalachian Mountains in the northwestern part of the state of North Carolina and I'm on the. I'm 20, 25 minutes west of Boone, which is where App State is. So they still live in Boone.

Speaker 3: 38:36

He's got his dream job, works for a really phenomenal company. His fiance also has a really great job. She's remote and so he's got a. You know, they're just, they have an amazing, amazing life, and so when you expose your kids to that kind of environment and that kind of motivation and inspiration, it's going to rub off. Now I'm not saying they haven't had their troubles they have, but the beauty is that they work through them and so you know they were in that environment and, by the way, tony Robbins treated my family like gold. He was so beautiful and warm and loving Him and his life's aged to my family. You know my kids and I'll be forever grateful to them for that. And but yeah, they're doing absolutely phenomenal, phenomenally well.

Speaker 1: 39:20

Yeah, great to hear that, Great to hear that you know we're. We're also talking just before coming on the show today about really pivoting your business a little bit now too, and so I was really inspired by how you started to pivot, and there's another group of individuals that this is really important to, and I really like you to share that story again with our audience man.

Speaker 3: 39:38

Yeah, yeah, thanks for letting me share that part. It's really important. So you know, I created my own fire walk. You know it's different than Tony's.

Speaker 3: 39:47

What I did was I also added another experience to it. I brought in the board break experience. So what I did with that is it's a martial arts thing, right, you go to any dojo in America. If you graduated in a belt, typically you're going to break a board. Right, you're going to break it with your hand or your elbow, your knee or your foot or whatever. And then you graduate, you get your new belt right. So it's very, very, very well known throughout the martial arts community. So I took that, brought it into my experience.

Speaker 3: 40:13

But I did something completely different with it. What I did was is I have them write something on front of that board they want to move towards. I have them write something on the back of the board they need to move away from. Then I had them write anybody's name on the board you're in conflict with, and what I mean by that is that if forgiveness and reconciliation is part of that relationship, it ends tonight. Stop carrying around a resentment about another human being. It's going to take away from you. Just, it's going to end tonight, give it to the fire and then, to create the right of passage that we've been talking about, I have them write anybody's name on the board that they've lost, and so that opens up ancestral whatever.

Speaker 3: 40:49

So we take them outside. We have the board break stations. We take them through, they break the board, they set the board down, we walk them counterclockwise, we fire walk them. They come back to get their board, they throw their board in the fire, and then here's where the real magic comes in is after the board break and after the fire walk, I put them in a circle and I do what's called the whole Pono, pono, hard hug. And what I do is I have everybody hug and I have you have them hug the opposite way, so that my heart is on their heart Right. So you're, you know, typically we hug this way. Well, it goes the opposite way. I have them close their eyes and then I have them take three deep diaphragm, a breath, and so they take a nice deep breath in, and I have them hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it, exhale. Now do one more nice deep breath in, so I'm oxygenating their body. Well, when two hearts are that close to each other. Guess what they do? We're just like clocks, right, they calibrate, they start beating at the same time. So now I've done three cleansing breaths and so I do that, maybe five, six times, whatever. And the next thing, you know that entire group hearts are beating at the same time, and so that's kind of my own little superpower, if you will, right. So now you've got a group of people. Their hearts are beating together. They just fire walk, they board break, they completely change their lives. The paradigm shift is there, and so here's where I'm going with that process.

Speaker 3: 42:15

Now, a couple of months ago, I was on a podcast and this and Natalia got me, you know, after the podcast. We were just talking and she said hey, have you ever done a fire walk for veterans? And I said, no, I mean, vets have been there, right, I'm a vet and you know my guys are, some people around me are vets, but I've never specifically done a vet. She goes man, you need to do that, and I got an opportunity for you to possibly do that. So as we started talking about it, you know, we talked about the suicide rate. You can't talk about vets without. We can't ignore that right, 22 a day is what is what they say out there? That's not true. That's only if they leave a note. If they don't leave a note, the numbers are up around 40. 40 men and women a day are taking their own lives. I can't deal with that, not knowing how to change someone's life. So. So why is that happening? Why are these men and women coming home and taking their own lives?

Speaker 3: 43:10

Pretty simple, when they're over there, they're together as a unit, right, they're moving, they're protecting, they're. You know, I'm looking here, he's looking there. I mean, you know, it's just the way it works. And who knows, who knows what you're going to see when you go over there, going to see one of your buddies get their brains blown out. I mean, who knows, man, it's ugly, it's war, it's not pretty.

Speaker 3: 43:29

And so they move together as a team, like you know, just like when you put them in a hard hug, right. And so then they come home and what happens? They lose touch, they're fragmented. Now, all these people that you were sleeping with, next to each other, keeping each other alive, and now you're not even within proximity. So what happens? Their purpose starts to drop. Depression sets in. They reach for alcohol or drug. Then the depression gets worse. Drink, drink, boom, boom. Next thing you know there are a casualty of one of those, one of those numbers.

Speaker 3: 44:03

And so what my idea is. So, by the way, after Natalia talked to me about this, that next night, when I was, I woke up in the middle of the night and it was as clear as could be. And so we're going to call it Operation Do no Harm. And here's how it's going to work. I'm going to bring the vets in and I'm going to do something to them. I'm going to trick them, you betcha, and what I'm going to do is I'm going to have them take an oath and they're going to have to promise to do no harm. Now, when somebody in the military takes an oath, they'll say they'll take an oath, they'll stand up to it. They know, when they went in, they had to say their general orders, they had to swear in, they had to take an oath, they had to do all that. So I'm going to have them do that. They're going to have to promise to do no harm to themselves or anybody else.

Speaker 3: 44:48

Now we're going to give them one of these. We're going to give them a chip that says Operation Do no Harm. Put it in your hand. I want you to squeeze it as hard as you can, feel the pain. It's just a little bit of the pain that's going to happen to your family if you take your own life. So if you ever need a reminder, reach in your pocket, it's right there. Then, in addition to that, they'll probably get one of these on that list right with a little flaming feet, like my logo over here, right, and then also they're going to go home with one of these. These are the coals from the firewood, right? So they'll have these. I could set this on their desk or a curtains or whatever, and they can look at it every single day.

Speaker 3: 45:29

Now, one of my companies that I love that when you're going to do a fire walk, you have to light the fire, right? Well, I light it with one of these, a Zippo lighter, right Out of Bradford, pennsylvania. There they are, like there's mine, right, it's got the flaming feet on it. Well, I went to Zippo. I said hey, guys, you know I love you, I need your help. They said what can you do for you, dave? I said you know we want to do this thing with veterans and I'd love for you to design a lighter for them. And they said, oh yeah, come on.

Speaker 3: 45:58

So I went up there for two and a half days, sit down with the design team, and here's what they're going to do. They're going to design a 1941 replica, just like the lighters that my dad carried in World War II. Because Zippo gave out lighters during the war, right, so the GIs could remember something or have something from home which is really powerful. And so they're going to take the 1941 replica. They're going to powder coat it black. And because they're silver lighters like stainless steel, right, they're going to laser, do no harm and they are going to look gorgeous. So we're going to give that to the vet. And then we're going to get them within that. Oh, they're going to have to promise to go tell their fellow men and women who are vets to bring them into this community so that we can get them all through that experience. So then I added three other categories. Yes, we got vets. First responders have a high suicide rate as well.

Speaker 1: 46:56

Sure do.

Speaker 3: 46:56

Unfortunately, and so we're going to include them as well. We'll probably do something. We could probably include the first responders and the vets if we did it Like we just booked our first event to do this in Modesto, california, and we're probably going to have somewhere in the area of 100 to 200, maybe 300. And that might be a mixture, right, it might be a mixture of some first responders and some vets, and we're good with that part.

Speaker 3: 47:22

The other two, though, that we're going to do is kids that have been bullied, and then single moms, which is a big part of my life, right, because my mom was a single mom, my daughter was a single mom for a while, and so that's got a really big place in my heart. So the cool thing, from my perspective, is we got it figured out. So if a company's out there and they go oh man, let's get our brand out in front of that, that'll it's going to make you look good and it's going to make you feel good because we're saving their lives, and so any company that wants to come forward and talk to us about we'd love to get her into some discussions with you.

Speaker 1: 48:01

Man. What a great way to transition that and helping so. It's such important. People in our lives, right Our military, those first responders, yes, single moms and everyone that you're doing this for, and I think that's why, even though this is a show about men, we all have mothers, right. We have wives in our lives, right. We may have daughters who are raising. Rights of passage are so important for all of us and some of them lost it and we've lost it.

Speaker 3: 48:26

It's not around anymore, right? It's like where's the right of passage anymore? So that's another thing. That's why we wanted to add kids that have been buoyed, you know, to the to the equation as well. So we're we're going to move force, we're going to be a force for good and we're going to change people's lives. Hope we're going to save a bunch of lives, and you know I'm not arrogant enough to think that I can save all of them, but you know what I can save some of them, that's for sure.

Speaker 1: 48:49

And you sure will. A couple of closing questions here, One on one, to ask you know what's been the best piece of advice that you've been given and how has that served you in your life? I love that question.

Speaker 3: 48:57

This too shall pass right. You know things going bad, things falling apart, everything's going to hell in a hand basket. Guess what? This too shall pass. Everything going great, everything's wonderful. You got the world by the. You know what this, too, shall pass right. I think for me too.

Speaker 3: 49:14

One of the things I got from Tony is state management. You know managing your state, remaining yourself disciplined to your rituals, and you know like I get asked all the time. So, dave, when you get up in the morning, what's the first thing you do? I make my bed, but the second thing you do I take a cold shower and then I start my routine. Right, I'll read 10 pages in a good book. I fill my body with water.

Speaker 3: 49:35

I live up here in the Appalachian Mountains and one of the reasons I chose the cabin that I live in is because the water coming into my house is mountain water, it's alive, and when people come here they're like, oh my gosh, your water tastes so good. I have friends who come over here. They literally come. They bring five gow, or they bring gow and jugs and take water back when they go back, you know, down the mountain. So yeah, you know, you get into.

Speaker 3: 49:58

Just you know I say this, you know I see all the time stop looking for heroes and be one. That's. That's really it, cause here's what I found in my life If you help enough people, get what they want, you'll always get what you want. It's a universal code, and I learned it in AA too. Right, because in AA you got the 12 steps, you got the 12 traditions, and right there in the middle you got what's called the preamble. And the preamble says when anyone anywhere reaches out, I want the hand of AA to be there. And for that I'm responsible. And I and I I took that real, real serious. And so you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm all about, you know, helping people, and it feels good, it feels magnificent, and when you do it the right way, they'll even pay you pretty well to do it.

Speaker 1: 50:40

That's outstanding, yeah, so just for us to close out for today, of everything we spoke about today, maybe we didn't get a chance to touch on something, and what would be the one takeaway you'd want everyone to have with us?

Speaker 3: 50:51

Get clear about who you are and what you want and don't lie to yourself. I think Victor Franco left us, I think one of the greatest mindsets that any human's ever walked the planet right, his book Man's Search for Meaning. If you're not familiar with the book, read it. It's not a fun read, it's not an easy read, but it is a life changing book that will change your perspective about your life and who you are and what you're doing, and and and and finding and getting a grip on on forgiveness and gratitude. Boom, those two together are powerful. And so, victor Franco, when he was there if you don't know, I'll tell a little bit of it he was in Auschwitz, right. And so they assassinated his family. They killed his family and they took everything from you. They put you in that prison camp and every single day, every single minute, you didn't know if it was your turn to go into the chamber. Every single day, minute by minute, you're living with that.

Speaker 3: 51:43

And so what Victor, victor Franco, franko, figured out? He said they can take everything from you. You're standing outside your naked, it's cold, you have a neat and in days, no dignity, nothing. They take everything from you except one thing, he figured. You know what? There's one thing you can't take from me, and what that was, is his attitude. I have to give that up, I have to relinquish it, and he chose not to, and so it goes back to what we were talking about for the vets. They lost purpose. He created purpose while he was there, and the purpose he created was someone has to tell this story, and I have to live and make it to go tell this story. So you want to change your life, change your story.

Speaker 1: 52:26

It's that simple man love that. What a great conversation today, dave. Thank you so much. You know I think you've really hit the ball. You know a home run with us and what it means really to have a right of passage to, and it doesn't matter whether we're battling addiction or in the boardroom or really you're talking about being able to be masters of our lives. And so if, like men and women who are listening to the podcast today, if anybody wanted to reach out and get a hold of you and participate in your programs, support you with your, with the work that you're doing with vets, what would be the best way for them to do that?

Speaker 3: 52:56

Just go to our website. It's the best place. It's firewalkadventurescom, and they'll also see there. We have an academy Once a year. I bring people in that want to be trained, right. So sometimes corporations send me people through HR or maybe a business owner, entrepreneur, trainers, coaches, whatever a whole different variety. We just did our academy here a couple of weeks ago. We had 11 people from around the world, and so the next academy is in October of 2024. And we only allow 18 people at that event. Then we cut it off, that's it, and we're already where.

Speaker 3: 53:31

I think right now we're about 35%, 30, 35% sold out, and we haven't even gotten in the next year yet. So everything's there. If you want to get a hold of me, you want to talk to me, you say, hey, dave, you know what? We'd love to get involved with the vets, we'd love to get involved with the first responders, the kids that are being buoyed, moms, all of that. Yeah, just get a hold of this. Let's, let's get on a discovery call and let's see. Let's see what we can work out.

Speaker 1: 53:57

I love it. I'll make sure all that information, as well as any social media that you might be on, make sure that people have opportunity to reach out to you once again. Thanks so much, dave. Love the conversation today. Thank you so much for everything that you're doing for all of us. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 3: 54:09

Thank you, my friend. Let's do it again sometime.

Speaker 2: 54:18

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