Sam Kaminer and Zach Sanders take the first dip into Hashem's Hot Tub to talk about the meaning of life, vibrators, personal empowerment and eating bugs!
Sam Kaminer and Zach Sanders take the first dip into Hashem's Hot Tub to talk about the meaning of life, vibrators, personal empowerment and eating bugs!
Hashem's Hot Tub Episode 1
[00:00:00] Zach: I have a like fancy bag for vibrators. Keep talking. Testing 1, 2, 3. Perfect. You sound great. Do they have a fancy bag for vibrators? Yeah, there's like little satin bags. Honestly, I would get a tiny little metal case. The ones that like spies keep, they're nuclear bomb se secrets in it, you know? You know what I'm talking about?
It's like metal, like the metal briefcase
[00:00:21] Sam: with the handcuff attached. Exactly. And that's where you keep your vibrators. I would be a
[00:00:25] Zach: femme fatal.
[00:00:26] Sam: Would you walk around with your vibrators all the time, like handcuffed to you?
[00:00:29] Zach: I wouldn't walk around with it, but my secret service bitch would,
you know what I'm saying? Yeah.
[00:00:36] Sam: Well what do you, what do you do in this situation? Like what's your job
[00:00:39] Zach: that you needed? I'm checking into hotels.
[00:00:41] Sam: My job? Yeah, like, like why do you, how do you need a secret service and the Oh, fem fatal briefcase. I work for very
[00:00:47] Zach: important people. I do very important things.
For people, if there's a problem that needs to be taken care of, I'm the one who they call.
[00:00:58] Sam: Yeah. That answered nothing.
[00:01:00] Zach: Exactly. But all I can say is that I'm very organized with my vibrators. This is a shims hot tub.
You know what my roommate, oh, I shouldn't say this. I should say. Cause we're not, you should say it. Why not? Yeah, my roommate. Okay. So I was passing by my, okay, so my room is adjacent to another room and there's two women that live in the other room. And I saw this microphone looking thing propped up against the door or the wall plugged in.
And I was like, oh, cool, a karaoke mic, uhhuh. And I was thinking about like asking her if I could borrow it or just like sing with it. No way. Yes, no way. And then upon closer inspection, like karaoke mic, I, yeah, you were like, do I want to sing? Totally. She's like, my roommate is like this, like very mm-hmm.
She's very short, assertive British chick. Yeah. Like a go-getter. Okay. So I thought it'd be, I, I thought like, maybe she likes Karaoke, I'm not sure. But it turns out it wasn't, it wasn't that. It was that it looked like this. I swear. Look at this microphone.
[00:02:12] Sam: Yeah, I've seen these. They look like
[00:02:15] Zach: my roommate, microphones roommate.
But they're vibrated. My roommate Heaton told me he was a vibrator.
[00:02:18] Sam: So did you ask to do karaoke or did someone, someone else told you it was a
[00:02:21] Zach: vibrator? Heated. My other roommate told me he was a vibrator. I was like, sweet. You know, thank God
[00:02:25] Sam: for heating. He
[00:02:27] Zach: really saved your butt. I dunno if he did, because I.
I just think it'd be really funny if I, I said, Hey, I, I noticed your, I noticed your microphone propped against your wall and can help, I too sing the karaoke, if you know what I mean. Oh yeah.
[00:02:45] Sam: So I'm down. You could,
[00:02:46] Zach: you could still do that. I'm down to sing with you, if you know what I mean. Would you say, do you know what I mean?
I mean like, cuz like, I think people that sing karaoke don't go around advertising that cause it, if you go to
[00:03:01] Sam: karaoke place, you kinda keep it hidden that you're a karaoke
[00:03:04] Zach: singer. Exactly. What, why are karaoke? Why isn't it a room? Dude,
[00:03:08] Sam: this is the thing about Asia. It's in a room. It's in a pub Asia. We need, we need, this is why we were just talking about how Asia's the coolest place and we gotta go just to sing karaoke and not worry about it.
[00:03:17] Zach: I know you get your own private room, your own private
[00:03:20] Sam: room or your own public rooms. There's no public karaoke rooms. There's totally public karaoke rooms on Orchard Street. I've
[00:03:25] Zach: never seen that before. Yeah. Not to go.
[00:03:28] Sam: Where were you said public karaoke. It's great.
[00:03:31] Zach: So I was thinking about making a TikTok where I'm singing with her microphone.
[00:03:36] Sam: Yeah, that's, would she be in it?
[00:03:39] Zach: No, but it'd be funny if she caught me. Uh, you
[00:03:43] Sam: should get caught intentionally. Intentionally,
[00:03:45] Zach: yeah. Like, I'm
[00:03:46] Sam: trying to think of like, when you know that she's home, you just start belting singing, what would you
[00:03:50] Zach: singing? What would you sing? I would singing, like every night in my dreams I would get on the floor.
I would be like, I see you, I feel you. And then she would come in the door, I'd be like, Hey, hey, come, let's do, let's do, lets the harmonize together. And uh, what the fuck? What would
[00:04:10] Sam: her harmony sound like?
[00:04:11] Zach: She would probably be like, no. She would be like, what the fuck is that? My vibrator? Oh, oh, oh. I thought it was something else.
No, that would be the end. That would be the end. That would be the end of everything. Yeah.
[00:04:31] Sam: Like, cuz you say the end and there's, there's more that would happen after that.
[00:04:37] Zach: I don't think
[00:04:37] Sam: so. It would just be the
[00:04:38] Zach: end dude. She's very like itself, she's very like, um, you know, mini driver, you know, mini driver from goodwill hunting.
Have you ever seen goodwill
[00:04:47] Sam: hunting? I've seen Goodwill hunting.
[00:04:49] Zach: Do you remember the girl that he goes to see about? I'm gonna see about a girl. Kind of.
[00:04:55] Sam: How about them apples? Yeah. I remember that scene. But there's not a
[00:04:58] Zach: driver on that scene. Driver's the woman driver. She's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I have a mini driver in my apartment, A shorter mini driver.
Okay. But exactly the same temperament. Very like, fuck off, fuck off. Yeah. I don't have time for your shit. Yeah, she's gonna, I'm very busy. She's in school for, um, acting. Yeah. And she's like, I'm focused and driven. I'm becoming a famous actress. Playwright. No time for your fucking karaoke gal, you know? Does she make you feel
[00:05:25] Sam: inadequate?
No, not at all.
[00:05:28] Zach: Nice. Because I'm taller than her.
I love it. I love when you laugh. It's perfect. Yeah,
[00:05:35] Sam: it's great. You finally get an audience,
[00:05:37] Zach: to be honest with you. Like I'm so, like, I know that this podcast, I mean, okay, I shouldn't say that. Like, it's not gonna get anywhere. Hopefully it will. But like if my roommate ever heard this, oh
[00:05:46] Sam: shell, I don't think I'm, I'm gonna send, I'm gonna send it to only her.
[00:05:48] Zach: Okay, fine. But like, okay, so listen, roommate, I'm not saying her name cause you, why I'm not saying your name. Don't say her name. Cause right now I'm not, I can't remember's the truth. That's the roommate. If you're listening, I love you. I also never see her, to be honest. To be honest, I never see her ever.
I'm outta the apartment. She has no face and no name. Her name is, I want to say her name is ----. Got it. Her name is ---. -----, if you're listening to this, I did not use your karaoke machine. Just letting you know
[00:06:26] Sam: this is Hashem's Hot tub.
[00:06:29] Zach: This is Hashem's hot tub. Get inside. I'm Sam Kander.
[00:06:33] Sam: I love it.
This is X Sanders. This is awesome.
[00:06:36] Zach: Yeah, this is fun. Yeah. Hashem's hot tub. Yeah, I think it's a great name. I really want to be in a hot tub while we're recording the podcast. Yeah. We'll get, I feel like I'm in it, by the way. We'll
[00:06:45] Sam: get there one day. It feels like a hot tub and it's pretty hot in my apartment right now.
[00:06:49] Zach: No, it's also very cozy. It is cozy. Ozzy, I feel like Hash Sham has your back. Right? M Hashem supports you.
[00:06:58] Sam: I, I, God willing.
[00:07:00] Zach: We're swimming in
[00:07:01] Sam: Hashem. We're always swimming in Hashem. The whole world is Hashem's hot tub. Right? Wow. Look at that. Everything is
[00:07:08] Zach: Hashem's hot tub. Yeah. My mind's kind of blown. Yeah, mine too.
I, I wanna show you the story that I, that I sometimes I listen to. It's about, it's, Alan reads it, Uhhuh. It's called a Fish. Who was the who? I don't, I'm fucking up the name. Basically, it starts off by this fish. I feel like we should play it for the invisible audience, but I'll just, I'll
[00:07:32] Sam: paraphrase you.
Paraphrase. You have 20 seconds. Okay?
[00:07:36] Zach: It's, it's worth it. 20 seconds on the clock. All right. 1, 2, 3. Now it's this fish who's swimming along, right? Uhhuh. And then he becomes self-aware, Uhhuh. He's like, holy shit, how am I swimming? What's supporting me? And that mind, that like breaks his whole matrix and he, his shatters and he's like freaking out, like, what's holding me up?
And he starts like falling, like swimming again. He starts like falling deeper into the wa, into like the ocean. Oh, wow.
[00:08:01] Sam: You know this story. No, but I totally understand this metaphor already. Keep going.
[00:08:05] Zach: Right? And then, and then here's a, a voice. You know, the voice of God. Young fish. What are you doing? He's like, can't you see I, I'm dying right now.
He's like, it's me. You are swimming in me. You know, whatever. I'm supporting you. Just let go. I got you. Like I've always got, I've always got you.
[00:08:27] Sam: That's it. Yeah. You know, it's like, um, you know, it's like, it's like driving a car, you know, like I've, I've been in cars with people who I'm like, oh shit. Like this is a scary situation just because this person, like, I don't trust them behind the wheel and I've found that nine times outta 10 it's because this person is afraid to be driving.
Right? Like the, like the act of driving a car, they're very conscious of it. For me, when I drive, I zone out. I don't even know what's happening, but I trust that like, I'm kind of like in the zone of the flow and I'm gonna like get my point pump in. Never in an accident. Some people I see them like really conscious cuz it's a fucking crazy thing, right?
Like you're in a giant vehicle zooming down the road, like, how crazy. It is. Crazy. And. Yeah. And so I think like when you're like conscious of that, then you're like, oh shit, what the fuck is it? And you like are very like, nervous. And then that's when bad shit happens. I agree.
[00:09:23] Zach: It's when you're conscious about it.
When is that
[00:09:27] Sam: right? And, and so this, this analogy of the water is even more profound because it's like we're always in it. Yes. We can always just like chill out and we're swimming, we're like mutually buoyant. We're there. But then it's, as soon as we like, we're like, oh my God, I'm in control. Then we start sinking.
I, I mean, I've been in it for the last week. Like, I, I had, I felt like I was so afraid I had to like, take control of my life and do all this shit. And then like as soon as I started doing that, I started freaking out. And then like I got myself into situations that I shouldn't be in.
[00:10:01] Zach: I know. I bailed you out.
You bailed me out. Yeah. The Chinese mob, they don't take kindly to people like us. They're pretty dangerous.
[00:10:11] Sam: What is people like us in this context?
[00:10:14] Zach: People that lose control. Yeah. The Chinese mob hates that. Yeah. They're very, you know, yeah. They're
[00:10:20] Sam: very straight and narrow. The Chinese straight and narrow.
They, they have a way of doing things. Yes. And if you deviate, deviate, if you try to take control from the Chinese mob, forget about it. Forget about
[00:10:31] Zach: it. I'm glad I was able to. Yeah. Thanks
for
[00:10:33] Sam: coming in there. And Of course, and showing that in fact, Jewish people are the
[00:10:39] Zach: real karate masters. Oh yeah. We totally are.
I think they just took pity on me. Take him
[00:10:47] Sam: and go. They did. They did. They were just sad to watch you.
[00:10:51] Zach: Like not worth our time.
[00:10:52] Sam: Do it Job. You tried to break one piece of wood and it broke your hands? It broke my
[00:10:57] Zach: hand. I have a cast on, by the way. Would you sign it?
[00:11:02] Sam: I already did. Thanks, man. Again. Yeah, I will.
[00:11:05] Zach: I, I want people to think I
[00:11:05] Sam: have friends. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's true. I'll sign it under 17 different
[00:11:09] Zach: names. Thank you. I appreciate that. Listen, I, I ride a boosted board around, oh, sorry. I know why I said boosted board. I ride a one wheel around town. Yeah. As you know. And oftentimes when I'm not in a state of flow mm-hmm.
Swimming in Hashem's hot tub, and I'm being very conscious about everything around me is when, when I fuck up and I fall and I've hurt, I fell so many times, and every time I, I've fallen off my board, it's only when I, my mind was consumed with other things other than being in the flow. Mm. Like I see somebody, From my past, it like knocks me outta my flow.
I start thinking and ruminating and then before I know it, you're falling into a
[00:11:52] Sam: pothole. I'm flying
[00:11:54] Zach: off my board. Wow. Or like if I'm coming down the street, like to you, cause I parked my car customer far and I'm like, this guy behind me, the biker is thinking that I'm going too fa too slow. He's mad at me and, and the guy in front of me is making a turn.
What happens if he turns into me and I'm gonna, you know, like all these calculations, it's like, bro, like now I know how neurotic grandmothers become neurotic grandmothers. Cuz when these thoughts become their reality, the norm, right? Then you're always worried about, you're always worried about what's around the corner.
It's not good. And I see how I can fall, like Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy. It becomes your narrative.
[00:12:31] Sam: It becomes your narrative and you're always searching. You know? It's like,
it's like sometimes, sometimes we're searching for the reason that things are bad. Yeah. It's like, even though most amazing thing can be happening, we'll be like, oh, but this actually sucks because of these three things that I just thought up that probably aren't even real and are based off of like 16 layers of assumption.
But we get stressed out about it and then suddenly the, the good thing does turn bad because we like gave it that space. My
[00:13:05] Zach: whole life is like that. That in terms of dating? In terms of dating, yes. Every girl I see who I have a crush on Uhhuh is multiple. I'm like, what's the point of even starting with this person?
Cause what if that person's not the right person for me and I just wasted my time with this person. So why? Even like, I psych myself out. Interesting. Before I even start, you know? Interesting. It's so weird. Yeah. That's funny. It's logical.
[00:13:28] Sam: You know, I do that with work. Yeah. I do exactly that with work. I'm like, wow, man, like this job, like, I'm so excited about it, but this thing and that thing could go wrong.
And, and, and I don't know if these coworkers are like me, they probably think that I'm an asshole and, and like, and then like suddenly it becomes like a problem, you know? Yeah,
[00:13:45] Zach: I know. Wow. It's because you are an asshole. Oh,
[00:13:55] Sam: I walked into that
[00:13:56] Zach: one. You have to just accept yourself. I do. I need to accept, accept it that I'm an asshole.
Yeah. Own it. I don't think I am. No. I'm sad. You're not an asshole. For the record,
[00:14:09] Sam: sometimes I wish I was, cause that would make my life lot simpler. I would just be like really self-serving and really just like, you know, this is what it is. Cool. I'm like walking through the world and it's about
[00:14:18] Zach: me. Yes. And when you are floating in a Hashem's hot tub.
Mm. You don't need to be an asshole. True, because everything that you have is yours and you don't even, you don't need to worry about, about having to control everything, which obviously I don't do, and I really don't do that. Most of the time I'm the time you're trying to control. Absolutely. A hundred percent every time, every day, every second.
Mm. I'm always like thinking and thinking and thinking, and I have to periodically tell myself to shut up. And someone said I should be nicer to myself, but you should be nice. It's very hard to be nice to myself when I'm trying. It's like, I don't know. I don't, it's, I, I kind of take this like pleasure in, uh, being, not being mean, but like, okay.
Basically there's voices, not voices, feelings in your head that make you feel a certain way. And then I, I become aware of that and I say, Shut up. Like just, or I go, shh, like I calm my head down, you know? Yeah. Like, calm down, calm down. Like, like, don't get trapped into this cycle. What do the voices say? Um, like what you were talking about?
About, about, you know, about like how everything can go wrong. Like, this is not gonna work out for me. Yeah, yeah. Or, you know, if I see an attractive woman, I'll psych myself out of, she probably doesn't wanna talk to me anyways because she probably think she probably doesn't wanna talk to you. But that's, that's besides the point, you know, like she's, meaning I'm a projecting end.
The day I'm, this is very, it's psychology projection. Mm-hmm. Transference, right? I don't know. I'm just throwing out these words. You're just saying words. Well, it's a, it's real. No, I'm following Freud and, and, uh, young always talks about the psychology of transference. It's psychol psychology of projection.
The personas, all, all, all these things. Right. And this ties back to what we were talking about before where my, you know, where my grandmother is worried about every little tiny thing because her mind is conditioned to think that way. Totally. And therefore she projects her fears and insecurities. 100%.
Yeah. Onto ourselves. And I, and then
[00:16:42] Sam: you take, I mean, this is me speaking from my own personal experience, but then you take that on, right? Like then the, these anxieties that other people have become your anxieties as well, because you've just like heard them so much and so frequently that you're like, yes.
Oh, this must be true about me. A hundred
[00:17:00] Zach: percent. A hundred percent. I know it will. And then you have to, and then you break the cycle by Through courageous acts. Courageous acts. I think. So
[00:17:12] Sam: what's a courageous act that you did this week? It's only Monday. Did you do a courageous act yesterday or today?
[00:17:21] Zach: I feel like yes, but I don't remember.
Cool. Let's see. Today, I feel like at work I wanted to avoid someone and I decided no more avoiding. So I went into it and oftentimes every time it's, it's always, it's, it's never as I believe it is.
[00:17:47] Sam: Right? Oh my God, bro. Of course, like so often I'll like, in my head, write like a full movie script for how a conversation like would go or should go, or could go.
It's never been right.
[00:18:07] Zach: You know, one thing improv teaches you, which, which, uh, people are naturally good at, is how to not. Is to not think, is to just react in the moment. And oftentimes when you're reacting, it's the, that's where it's off. You know, when you don't plan things, work out, what are we doing today?
I don't know, we're just gonna go, those are the best days. And then you have exactly, you have a fantastic day. It's magical. Those are literally the best days ever. Best days ever.
[00:18:37] Sam: It's like, part of why I've always felt so uncomfortable with like structure is be like, and like work and all these things is because I feel like so much, such a, such a higher degree, like alive and engaged in the world if I don't have a plan.
And it sucks because this whole, like the whole system around us, the whole world is designed like really rewards a plan. Like it, like, you know, the, the capitalist structures of our world really reward, like having a plan and sticking to it and then like executing it. And then looking back in a week or a year or 10 years, I mean, like, wow, we did the plan baby.
Yeah. But it's as, I just wanna split in hot tub.
[00:19:23] Zach: Yay. Also, it's, it's, as Michael Michael Tyson famously quoted, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. So
[00:19:39] Sam: everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Yes. That's good, dude.
[00:19:48] Zach: There is, I'm learning that there's, there's a lot of value in preparation practice.
I feel like I'm doing like a whole thing with peace, but No, gimme some more peace. Here's an example. Okay.
It's not, it's, it takes a courageous act to. Swim in a she's hot tub. Mm. And what does that look like? It looks like me moving to Utah by myself without knowing anyone because I'm inspired to,
and I go, I don't know anyone. I don't know anything. And that courageous act is the, is the barrier to entry to having an amazing life. I see it all the time. Ex explorers. Yeah. They're willing to die. Explorers are willing, like the people that perished in the Titan. Mm-hmm. Those people,
it's very sad what happened.
And I would say that they weighed the risks. Yeah. And they had to be a little bit willing to know that death could be, not to say that they wanted it, but that it was a possibility more so than, than if they were gonna die in a certified submersible. So serious. Seriously. Yeah. It wasn't a certified submersible, so they knew.
My point is, is that it takes an act of courage to, to, to really evolve and, and, um, and I feel like a little bitch a lot, a lot of the times. Yeah. You know, I, I really wish that I, and when I was younger, I used to have so much courage. Mm-hmm. I remember one, I, I remember one time my dad, we went to Mountain Creek.
I know it, you know Mountain
[00:21:45] Sam: Creek? Yeah. It's a water park. Where'd you go for the
[00:21:47] Zach: winter and go skiing. Yeah. Were you skiing or were you at the water park? I was at the water park. Okay, cool. Oh my god. You know, before Mountain Creek, it was action park. And they made a movie about it, documentary about it.
We gotta see it. Really? It was a crazy, it was like the craziest waterpark in the world. Zero rules. Everyone was drunk. People got hurt all the time. Really? Yeah. It was chaos. Chaos.
[00:22:12] Sam: Mountain Creek was like that. It was used Park Park before. It was Mountain Creek. It was actually park, but the same place.
Same
[00:22:15] Zach: park. Same place. Same park. Interesting. And you're a Jersey boy? I'm a Jersey boy. Hells yeah. And all about Mountain Creek. You like rock music? Yeah. I feel like Jersey people love, like, they
[00:22:24] Sam: love rock music. Bruce Springsteen and Billy Joel.
[00:22:28] Zach: I'm talking about like, uh, what of Ben Sevenfold and like, you know, those like the fucking
[00:22:33] Sam: hardcore rock?
Yeah, that was, I had, I had a little bit of a moment, like late middle school, high school
[00:22:38] Zach: back. Yeah, same. Same.
[00:22:40] Sam: It was a lot of, it was also a lot of like, like indie bands, like bands that kind of like played like power chord riffs. And then the musician, the singer sounded like they were whining at you.
[00:22:50] Zach: Yeah, they're screaming. Oh no.
[00:22:52] Sam: Mark whining more. I didn't like the screaming music. I liked the winding stuff that was like, Ah, my
[00:22:58] Zach: girlfriend left me. Hey, I love that music. He, his acoustic guitar underneath it. Remember that song? It was like face down in the Dirt. She said It doesn't hurt. Remember that song?
You don't remember
[00:23:12] Sam: that song? Uh, probably if I heard more, more of it, I would know it. I knew a lot
[00:23:16] Zach: of those songs. I'm happy that no one, anyways, my whole point of this whole courageous thing is, is, yeah, I remember. This is a very good story. This is a very, I remember this memory. It's so powerful. Profound story memory in Mountain Creek Water Park by the cliff.
Yeah. You know that 20 foot cliff jump?
[00:23:36] Sam: Yeah.
[00:23:36] Zach: Yeah. When you just jump. Okay. We, I'm a, I'm like 10. I'm a crazy kid. Yeah. I love, I love adrenaline. I love living life on the edge. Mm-hmm. I'm, I'm doing a bathtub of that shit. I don't care. It's scary, but like, I, I'm able to like, overcome that fear. It's, it's second nature for you to jump because it's a trust.
It's like I trust that, that I can jump and I'll be okay. Even though it's scary. I trust the hump. I trust the over the hump. Oh, interesting. And my dad, who I thought at the time was like invincible cuz he, he would regale these tales of his childhood and how he would get into trouble and do crazy shit and like, you know, adventure and, yeah.
And he had, he hung out with the, with Ruffians, you know, and he had a, a knife collection. Are are Rian? Like
[00:24:24] Sam: ruffians that. Give out roofing.
[00:24:26] Zach: Yeah. Like roofy people, you, my dad, he would go around
[00:24:33] Sam: this
[00:24:33] Zach: invincible man. Yeah. He, he, he was the sneak around town with hoards of people, roofing people. Anyways, I thought he was invincible.
I really did. And, and I, and we, and, and, and came time to, for him to jump and he was like, nah, not gonna do it. Yeah. Wow. And I was like, what? My dad is not gonna jump. He's like this powerful superman. And I had this profound thought, like, wow, maybe when you get older, all the things that you used to be good at, you become fear.
Like, it was, it was like a thought. That felt like a truth. Yeah. And now I know. Now I see it as a real truth. Wow. So my point is, is that I, I believe that it's very important to rip, rip off bandaids in your life. Totally. And, uh, I'm, I can't, I feel bad talking about it cuz I myself am stuck I'm sure in a lot of things that
[00:25:28] Sam: I haven't been, I mean, we all get stuck in our loops, but I think the important thing is like, recognize them, break them.
Not a drink like us being here right now. Right. I that's your drink. How long have we been talking about sitting down with microphones and doing a podcast? Yeah, it's been, it's been for, for the two of us, we've been talking about this for probably two months. Yes. For, for me personally, I've been talking about this for probably two years and like I never had the freaking courage and right now I'm like,
[00:25:58] Zach: hump.
Yes. And I'll tell you, when you reach out to me a few hours ago, I thought of every single excuse in the book to not
[00:26:07] Sam: come. Yes. And you know what? I got home from work and I, I was not. Loving the realities of this new job that I took. And I was stressed off. Stressed out about it, and I was like, I was. And I sat down to meditate and I was like, Ugh, I, you know, I hope he doesn't come over.
[00:26:24] Zach: Yeah. That's called, by the way, I just want to interject. That's called resistance. Resistance. Yes. It's a real thing that everyone goes through. That's the barrier to entry. Yeah. Resistance is a huge barrier to entry. Carry on. And,
[00:26:42] Sam: and then thank God you messaged me and you were like, yeah, I am gonna come over.
I'm gonna be late, but I'll be there. And now we're here. And I'm very grateful. I was for sure coming even, and I feel so energized now that we're sitting
[00:26:54] Zach: down that's, see this is something to take note of first. There's always resistance. And that manifests as a feeling. Right. Sure. Where you just don't want to do it.
You're thinking and feeling about why you don't want to do what you want to do, and a manifest as a heavy, burdensome energy. And when you said, Hey, you wanna do a podcast, my brain was like, nah, podcast. Why are we gonna do it? Blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I was like, shh. Right. That's my new thing. Why?
Because I knew that just sitting down and doing this is enough. Mm. Even if, even if this doesn't, even if this isn't good, at the very least I'm having a good time. Right? No, but even if this podcast sucks, which it probably does, cuz this is our first one and, and it takes time. It takes time to get good at something.
Totally. But like what separates the men from the boys is, is people that take action. Yep. And that's it. And. And I'll just finish off with the resistance cause I want you to speak. I feel bad. I feel like I'm ta My brain also is very like this. Oh, I know. That's why I got you in here. Okay. Thank you. I feel bad.
I'm conscious about it. I'm like, am I talking too much? Am I not giving him space? You are talking too much, but keep talking. Okay, cool. Fine. Um, so I'm, there's this book by Mike by, um, I can't remember his name right now cause I'm trying to think of it. It's called The War of Art Uhhuh. His name is Steven Pressfield.
Steven Pressfield wrote a book called The War of Art, and it's literally a bible about how to overcome resistance. Everyone has resistance. And he says cuz he, he happens to be Jewish. And he says, resistance can be seen as the Yates are hurrah, right? Mm-hmm. And you know who the Yates are, hurrah is, right?
Yeah. Explain it for the audience though. The Yates are hurrah is the, I don't like this translation. When I, as I, the way that we, that we translated it as I grew up was evil inclination. But I don't wanna say that's the translation. There's the Ezer tov, there's the zahara. Right. There's the force of good and there's the force of bad.
It's kind
[00:29:10] Sam: of like the fork in the road at every choice that
[00:29:12] Zach: we have. Correct? It's like the two wolves. Yes. And the Indian, the Native American
[00:29:16] Sam: fork inside of each man is two wolves. Right. The Y or, and the Zahara.
[00:29:22] Zach: Yes. And the y harrah is always telling you to not do what you want to do. It is telling you to not go after what you want to go after.
Mm. And it keeps us stuck. Mm. And we start, and it, man, we and, and it manifests as mental illness. That's what I believe. I just
[00:29:41] Sam: having this conversation with my father like a few hours ago. Who's the doctor, by the way? Who's also, who's the doctor? Um, and we were talking about how I, I'm getting tested
[00:29:55] Zach: on Wednesday for adhd.
[00:29:58] Sam: And it was my choice to get tested for it because I really think that I might have it. You have
[00:30:03] Zach: it? I'm sorry. I think I do you for, I mean yes, dude.
I know I could, you don't need to get tested. Save your money, bro.
[00:30:12] Sam: Well, I already paid the money. Okay, fine. Um, threw it away. Yeah, probably. But, um, but, but, but I'm curious. I'm curious about this. And I wanted to get tested for it and, um, and I was talking to my father about it and, and, and it led to this like larger discussion about mental illness and about the treatments for mental illness.
And cause I was kind of voicing that I would be hesitant to, you know, take drugs for it. Um, though I wouldn't be like, totally opposed to like very small doses. Like I've done Adderall and I've done cocaine, for example. And I know these two things feel very similar to me, and I'm like, I don't want to take these drugs all the time.
Like it's just too much. Maybe if it was like dosed out, like tiny, tiny amounts, then like a doctor controlled it maybe. I don't
[00:31:05] Zach: know. They also take, by the way, they, they have non stimulated medicine. Yeah, I've heard about that too. But who the hell wants to take that?
[00:31:15] Sam: Yeah. I, I, I mean, I don't know about any of this stuff really, but we were talking about mental illness, like kind of as a whole and like obvi, obviously there's like so many cases in which, um, psychiatric drugs are like super beneficial to people.
And I have a lot of people that I love who take substances like that prescribed by a doctor, and it does like tremendous, genuinely good work for them. Um, and at the same time, I think in my heart there's a reality I know which says that. A lot of what we call mental illness in the West, in the United States in our current culture is, has more to do with the malady of the spirit than it does to do with the malady of the brain and the chemistry
[00:32:09] Zach: within it.
I agree 100%. And
[00:32:15] Sam: for the record, yeah. And you know, this was, this was, this was a lot to do with, with, you know, me in college as a psychology major, um, ending up taking a minor in religious studies because I felt that I wa I, I wasn't learning the answers that I, I was searching for through psychology. At least not in part, there was a lot of great stuff in psychology, but all the treatment and all of the understanding of how people work felt so clinical and so quantified.
With data sets that don't even represent the actual human race. And I just, I just, I, I knew that there was something more and so I was like, maybe, I don't know, maybe religion has it and some religion does. You know, you gotta dig deep.
[00:33:07] Zach: I would be very curious to learn about indigenous cultures, to see the mental health with cultures, right?
[00:33:16] Sam: Like properly indigenous
[00:33:17] Zach: cultures. Look, we fucked. I, I don't see we, cuz I, I had nothing to do with it. But, you know, we, the American Americans do have not been good to Native Americans. We've fucked up their whole culture and we've stolen their lands. I'm not gonna get on my soapbox and start. But we did a lot of damage.
And I'm sure, and, and I know that in the Native American culture in in America, there's a lot of, you know, high suicide rate and high depression because we basically took away their sta their whole stability. But I, I'm, I'm curious if you go to, to other people, to people who have, you know, um, you know, native in South America, south Americans all over the world, Mongolians, people that have a strong traditions, values, community, some sort of system.
Right? I I'm just curious how their mental health is compared, compared, I don't think they probably laugh at you if you say like, you know, oh, you're depressed. Take this medication. And also, I think America's built on a whole, the incentive. The incentive is Americas that are incentivized to medicate because financial incentive incentivize the whole, um, It seems, it seems weird, like America has done a lot of good, I don't wanna bash America, but the systems that are put in place are not good systems.
They're not holy or spiritually holy systems. Like they're kind of, it's kind of, they call it EK systems. Molik is like a, an ancient deity that people worshiped a bad deity. It's a zero sum game, lose, lose, win, lose, you know, type of system. But the health system, every, every, the system that are, I don't, I don't know, my brain is like farting right now because No, but I, I'm tiptoeing on these, on a very
[00:35:18] Sam: controversial, I mean, I, I do hear what you're saying, like, and it's just something that's frustrated me, like as I've.
You know, as, as I'm trying to find my place in the world and I'm trying to find like how I wanna show up, not just, you know, in my day-to-day life, but also, but also, you know, through my work, through, uh, you know, the actions that I take. Like, like, like how, how do I fit in into this world? Because also, like, you know, I want to have money.
I want to like be somebody who's financially stable. I don't want, I've been living paycheck to paycheck, like same my whole life at this point, at least my whole adult life. It's not good and it's a trap and I don't want that, you know, but also the trap is as well that the compromises that I have to make or, or I'm told that I have to make in order to like find that success within the systems that exist around us in, in New York City and America, in the capitalist West, wherever.
Wherever I am, those compromises feel. Very often disingenuous to the life that I wanna live on a, on a daily basis. You know, I wanna be able to show up spiritually. I want, I want, I want to be able to feel like my actions have like a, like you said, a holiness to 'em. It's hard to find that and still make a dollar
[00:36:51] Zach: have,
can you recall a time? Mm-hmm. No, I just wanna preface that everything you're saying, I gr I'm going through myself so I'm not, uh, I'm trying to figure out myself as well. Cause I'm also working a job that I'm just golden handcuffed up and some people will be like, well, at least you have a job and, you know, they'll get, you know, blah, blah, blah.
Poor me. That's also a trap. Okay. Everyone has the ability to, Take control of their lives and manifest their dreams. Everyone has that, uh, has that ability to, and, and, and it is harder for other people. And it's, and, and it's, and, and I would say it's a law. It's like a, it's a physical law of momentum, right?
You need to have momentum. For example, you starting this podcast is an act of courage for you to manifest what you wanna do in your life that makes you happy, that brings you joy, that brings you connectivity. Mm. A holy activity. So, you know, the job that I have right now is my, my, you know, the people I work for said, Zach, you should take Adderall.
You, you need to take Adderall. Really?
[00:38:05] Sam: Your bosses
[00:38:05] Zach: said you should take adder. My bosses. Yeah. And I, and I listened to them and I, and I got prescribed it. And I knew I didn't wanna take it because every time I took it, I was, it like, exacerbates what you were really feeling inside. Mm. And I was feeling like, Really, I didn't like what I was doing.
So that's the truth. Like what is the truth in the situation? Here's the truth, I don't like what I'm doing. Okay, so why can't you just leave? Cause I'm afraid, deep fear. So I'm stay, which is crazy. And I'm st and I've been there for years and it's crazy. I was like living at home with my parents for a very long time because couldn't get out psych psychically cause couldn't leave.
You had the money and the resources and whatever. Yes, I had all that, but I still, you just couldn't, couldn't leave, pull the trigger for whatever reason. Codependency, Stockholm Syndrome, whatever it is, psychically in my brain. I couldn't leave until I worked with my therapist. I said, I gotta get out and you gotta help me.
Cause obviously I couldn't do it myself. You gotta gimme a deadline. I work well with deadlines, right? And he, I, he gave me a deadline and, and now that I'm outta my parents' house, it kind of like catapults you out into orbit. You need that catapult, you need that push. Now I look back and I'm like, I don't wanna even go, I don't wanna go back home to my, to where I, my family, I love them dearly, but they're not good for me and I can't, and it's like, wow, I can't, so I'm sure it'll be the same thing with my job, but if I found a new job that I really loved or I started doing what I love, it'll be like, wow, I, I understand the progression.
So that's number one. Number two, patience. We have to be patience with ourself. We're young. Takes time to grow. And at least you know, you have these worries, these stress that they're good cuz it's pushing you, it's kind of pushing you out. Totally.
[00:39:45] Sam: It's letting a
fire
[00:39:46] Zach: under me. So I, I don't know. I can't, I can't.
Now people will say, you're not, you can't say what you should or shouldn't do. You know, you're not a doctor and I can't tell you whether you should or should not take medication. However, I can't. I will ask you a question. When was the last time you, can you recall a time when you were very, um, invested in something that you enjoyed doing, where you were able to focus on it?
100% we're. There was no manifestation of any a V D symptoms cuz you were in the zone.
[00:40:23] Sam: There were definitely times on film sets. I used to be a movie producer. There were many times on film sets where I would feel like totally empowered and just like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And, and you know, I think it's, it suited me as well because things were coming at me so fast that I had to be like totally in the zone.
Otherwise, like I couldn't keep up. But, you know, I was, I was able to keep a tremendous amount of information and people and personalities scrolling around in my head and my heart such that I can make like gut instinct calls very quickly and usually be right. I believe
[00:41:04] Zach: you. And
did you feel unbounded energy? What do you mean by unbounded? Meaning, did you, like, let's say your day started at six o'clock in the morning. Yeah. And it finished at 10 o'clock at night. Oh yeah. I would
[00:41:20] Sam: feel like energized all the way through.
[00:41:22] Zach: Energized all the way. That's your spiritual work. A hundred percent.
That's the energy. That energy is, that's spirit. A hundred percent. Everything is spirit. If you think about it, you wanna get drunk, that's spirits a hundred percent. You wanna get high, that's spirits. You feel low. That's also a spirit. Everything is a spirit. But, but you, you were, you were, you were dancing with your at
[00:41:47] Sam: that time.
Absolutely. I, you know, there, there was, there was a point, there were a few points where the paradigm kind of changed and I noticed it changing and that's what got me out of that industry was when that spirit started to, to diminish in, in ways that made me feel totally uncomfortable. That made me like, Resent being present in these spaces and, and ways that made me, like, resent people around me.
[00:42:14] Zach: Why, who were in these spaces? Why, what, what was happening at that time? What was happening
[00:42:18] Sam: at that time? Um, you know, I was going through a lot. There was a point where I, I lost a lot of friends. Um, I was in a tough place. It was linked in with my career, and it just like, really, it diminished me. And then from beyond that I just kind of like, I felt like I couldn't get my footing anymore.
I felt like everyone that I worked with, I would just kind of jump from like one crew to the next. And everyone that I worked with, I felt like, like I couldn't connect with them. And, um, I felt a lot of other people's intentions and, and egos and, and, You know, in the film industry in particular, you're dealing with so many people's shit.
You know, ev, ev, everyone's an artist. Everyone's temperamental. Everyone's there to be famous and rightfully so. That's what, that's why
[00:43:16] Zach: we do it. Right. I called them bad actors. We,
[00:43:19] Sam: you, we deal with a lot of them and like, you know, God bless 'em all. Like I had a lot of fun in that experience, but there was a point where I knew that, you know, this, this whole game, and it was, it was a game for me.
And this whole game, you know, all, all the, all the work that it took, all of the passion that it took, all of the pressure of it. There was a point where it really suited me and I was at the point where I had to move on from it.
[00:43:53] Zach: Okay. So I have another, I have a question. We're gonna do some forensics psychology here.
Yeah. The times that you were fully engaged and energized and focused. Mm-hmm. Were those with people that you respected and people that you felt, uh, connected to or? 100%. Okay. And the, and was that on the same project? It was on a few
[00:44:15] Sam: different projects.
[00:44:15] Zach: So can you go back to the projects that you felt energized from or the projects you felt not energized from, and can you see a correlation between the people that were on those sets, the people that you were hanging around, the type of movie that you were making?
There's a lot of variables for the most, for the most
[00:44:32] Sam: part. Yeah. Like I, you know, when I decided to be a movie producer, what got me into that, not the business, I was already in the business, but that role in particular was the fact that I get a lot of enjoyment out of helping my friends
[00:44:52] Zach: succeed. That's beautiful.
Me too. And,
[00:44:56] Sam: and so I literally got into the business in order to help my
[00:44:59] Zach: friends succeed. By the way, I just want you to know that that's, Valiant. And, and I believe that's the right, uh, vibrational level to operate from. That meaning it, cuz you could be super selfish or selfless, and I believe that the selflessness is what energizes, that's want to interject
[00:45:25] Sam: and say No, I mean, it did energize me 100%.
Right? And
[00:45:28] Zach: well, you do mean for other people versus doing for
[00:45:29] Sam: yourself. Right. And then, and then, and then it got to a point where I felt, um, betrayed
[00:45:35] Zach: by those other people. What other people? The people
[00:45:38] Sam: that I, I dedicated a lot of my, um,
[00:45:43] Zach: understand work to
[00:45:45] Sam: and, and my, and my wife too, and my friendship too.
[00:45:48] Zach: I wonder if you could learn to the friendship with, with people's intentions versus, cause you know, it seems to me, and I, again, I don't, I don't have a lot of data to know. Right. I'm just, I'm just going off of. What I'm hearing and what I'm feeling, maybe also projecting from my own experience that trauma seeps in through experience and burnout occurs where you don't wanna do it anymore.
Totally. So in a way, there's an expression, I never really understood it until, like recently people say it's like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Right. Where you just throw everything out because a bunch of bad actors ruined your vibe Yes. And burnt you out. But I would say that you have, it's, it's, it's actually could be, it could, you could flip it and it could become empowering for you when you, when you become more assertive in who you are, what you want, know what your intent, you could become more.
Because here, at the end of the day, you're a very, you're a unique person. No one's, there's no one like you. And, and we live in a world where everyone's trying to be like everyone else. We, that's the world That, and not the world. I mean, like, I'm, I'm sure other cultures in in the whole world are not like that, but it seems to me in America, the culture is everyone's copying each other.
Everyone's dressing like each other. Everyone's trying to get in each other's energy zones. You know, you gotta, and so the question is, how do you, how do you protect your vibe? How do you stay in your own energy? How do you stay, stay in your lane? How do you create an aura where you can move through the world and not let other people drag you down and not affect you?
And stay strong in yourself and trust people. Trust people that, trust that there are people that also like you, vibe on a, on a similar frequency and want, you know, there's an expression. If you build it, they will come. Right? Meaning if you can build a, you can really build a community with your, with, with, with your job.
And if that's being a producer, I. And you really love it. You can do a lot of other things. Producer doesn't, doesn't relegate towards only movies 100%. You can produce a lot of things, you know, and it's about just, I mean, so my point is, is that back to the a d, adhd, right? That's how we got here. No, so adhd, I think, look, whether it exists or not, I don't know, but let's say it does exist, I would say it's a powerful weapon because people who have more ADHD are able to really think a lot broader and make a lot of quick connections and see a bigger, a big picture, and, um, are very creative and, and bring a lot of beautiful things into the world that, that, um, create trends and, and stabilize people.
So, you know, if you get in, if you get into, okay. If you get into a job that you don't like and they start medicating for you, that's a red flag in the day. Hundred percent. Back in the day, they would
[00:48:53] Sam: give you a lobotomy. You know, the fact, the fact that your jaw recommended that you go on Adderall is mind boggling to me.
We have to kind of circle back to that because that's fucked.
[00:49:02] Zach: People said that, and I, and I didn't, I didn't know what they were talking about. People would have have, they would say, this fact, what you said the same reaction. Really? And I, and there was a point in my, in my job where everyone was on Adderall.
It was like, it was so intense. That's, it was worst environment ever.
[00:49:18] Sam: That's like, that's like willful Wall Street, like doing coke in the bathroom to like, make more deals.
[00:49:24] Zach: That's exactly what it's like. Except that you're not nearly making that much money. No, I'm just making a salary. It's ridiculous. Yeah, dude, look, I believe that when you do, when you do, when you, when you build momentum in doing the things that, that you feel.
Energized from Right. Like sitting here in this podcast. Okay. Here's an, here's a proof. Ready for the proof. Yeah. How long have you been living in this, in this apartment for three weeks. Once a month. Okay. Right now you're sitting in the same floor of your apartment and yet until I just brought it to your mind, you didn't really feel like you were in your apartment cuz you were zoned in
[00:50:07] Sam: Oh yes.
I did
[00:50:08] Zach: not feel like I was in my apartment. Exactly. That's the zone. That is the zone. True. So you, so it's like, how do you gimme some more of that? You know, like get into more of those zones and you'll, and very and those you will be No, that's so real, bro. Yeah, it's,
[00:50:25] Sam: it's real. It's like chase that zone.
Chase that
[00:50:27] Zach: way. Don't chase it. See? No. I'll tell you why. Cause it's a mind fuck. You're right, you're right, you're right. Don't chase it. Decide. Look, we're doing this together, and I think Ramdas has a quote. We're all just, we're walking each other home. Yes. And we're just, and why am I, why am I, why did I come here today?
Am I too loud, by the way? No, you gotta keep going. I came here because I wanted to help you and myself at the same time, but I knew, and I, my intentions were not, were selfless. Yeah. Because we had a conversation in my car a few nights ago when I dropped you off. Yeah. And I felt very connected to you in that moment.
I felt, I felt like myself. That's a great conversation. I, yeah, it was a great conversation. And I felt it's very spiritual. Yeah. And I felt, Hey, that's me. I'm sitting next to myself, I'm talking to myself. And I always regret the decisions that I've made in my past. I wish I would've made a different decision.
I wish I wouldn't have operated from a place of fear. I wish I would've operated from a place of let's go or love or et cetera. You know? Yeah. If I was, if, if right now, if we were spiritual, you would see my butterfly wings flying out, you know? Type of place. So I knew that, and I remembered when we were taking that walk in Prospect Park and you brought out this microphones and you said, it's my dream to do a podcast.
I felt it was my duty to help you, to help you, uh, build the momentum for your dream. Wow. That's it. Because I and I, and I wasn't attached to any, I don't want anything like, oh, I'm gonna get famous now because, no, I don't want that. That's fucked up though. You see that? For those of you who can't see, no, don't, don't even say it.
Okay, fine. I'm not gonna say it. What the fuck? All right. Oh, bad. You know, Sam told me not to say this. We're gonna put press pause on this shit. There's a massive cockroach.
I think so. Is this pause by the way?
Testing 1, 2, 3. It is paused. Oh, it's not, it's, I wanna hear myself.
Hello? Hello. Wow. Okay. There is a massive water bug crawl, crawling on the ceiling right above this really cool Japanese Hebrew poster, and it's looking for something. It's like, Hmm, where do I go? Unaware that Sam is coming with a pot and a pen to collect his ass.
Sam is in position with the pot.
Sam is in position. Oh. Oh my god. It flies. What the fuck? Oh no, Sam, it's right on your fucking, it's on his hand. Oh no. It's right here. Dude, these guys are fucking insane. You know what? Honestly, here's the truth. Where is these? I have a lot of respect for these creatures. They will survive a nuclear holocaust, for sure.
Dude, you have to just get that into the, here. Here. Position it like this. Okay? Fuck. Okay. Yeah. Oh, no. Fuck. Now it's lost forever. No, it's not. It's not. Oh my God. Right now it's behind the TV stand. Ladies and gentlemen. There's a massive water bug cockroach from hell. It's flies, by the way, which is insane.
God created something really creepy and awesome, fucked up. It is fucked up. Now, here's the deal. We don't believe in killing creatures. I still badly want to stomp on that, but I can't. Why? It's gross. I'm not down for that crunch, for that guts. It's nasty. Also, my dad takes it very personal when I say there's a water bug in the house.
It's the summer in New York City. There's water bugs. That's it. Like, he's like, he thinks it's like him. It's him, me, I, I keep my house clean. You know? It makes him feel like he's an incompetent person. Hey, he got it. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're tuning in, we have great success. Sam has just captured the water bug and we are now cooking it in deep in peanut oil.
We will be, uh, eating it very, very soon. Magnum, we will be snacking on that water bug. Sam, do you have anything? You let me, uh, when that's, when that water bug is ready. Let me get a little taste, if you don't mind. I wanna share in the bounty.
Yeah. How's that looking? Ooh, that's looking good. Salt pepper
that, uh, water bug. La ladies and gentlemen, for those who can't see it, is now simmering in a pot of peanut oil. Sam just added some salt and pepper to it. I think he's gonna add some pink o It's ready. Gimme some of that. Gimme some of that shit. Yeah. It's frozen. It's cold. Oh, nice. Okay. Let's do it. Ah, it's hot.
It's hot. Go, go for it. Ooh, yeah. What is that? That's the head, right? Gimme the tail. Lemme try that end.
Ooh. Mm. It's good, right? It's like warm and gooey on the inside. Yeah. Not as
[00:55:36] Sam: bad. Thank God he climbed in. I know. I would really kill him. I, it took a minute of, you know, really dealing with a flying. I'm gonna get the last piece. Can I
[00:55:45] Zach: get the last piece? How about we, let's break in half right Chairs. Oh, hi.
Climb. Mm. So good. Delicious. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're, if you're just tuning in, we're eating this bug and it was a really giant cockroach. It's not so bad if you just close your eyes, you're not thinking about what you eating. Think
[00:56:06] Sam: it's delicious. I think it's a little spicy
[00:56:07] Zach: delicacy. I don't know if this is racist or anything, but now I understand Asian people when they have these markets
[00:56:14] Sam: of bugs.
Yeah, the bug markets.
[00:56:16] Zach: Yeah. Like Klau Schwab wants us to eat bugs.
[00:56:22] Sam: Carl Schwab wants us to eat bugs. You never heard of that? Like
[00:56:25] Zach: the, like the investment guy. Yeah. He was talking about how like, like somebody in the World Economic Forum was saying how like it's a good source of protein. We should eat that.
Yeah. I've heard that.
[00:56:34] Sam: Like crickets are good. Are good. Instead of eating
[00:56:37] Zach: meat, you will Oh, nothing. And be happy
[00:56:41] Sam: about it. Honestly. Like that's so good. If I, if I could like saute up some crickets. You got some with my veggies. Got little like leg
[00:56:50] Zach: sticking in your mouth. Oh yeah.
[00:56:53] Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Like this, this is this what this experience has taught me with the cockroach.
[00:56:58] Zach: Do you have any saket to work to? Like, I want a nice warm glass of socket. I don't have
[00:57:02] Sam: warm socket for you. Fuck, I guess water will do now. You're really
[00:57:07] Zach: getting sophisticated. Eh?
[00:57:11] Sam: Sophisticated. Yeah. But yeah, if, if this cockroach incident that just occurred in my brand new apartment, which my apartment does not have cockroaches for the record.
Cause we both saw it coming through the window. See,
[00:57:26] Zach: every man becomes inferior when, when there's a cockroach in their apartment. I, I, I just
[00:57:32] Sam: wanna state it for the record that it's not like this cockroach is in my apartment. It came in through the window and we saw it happen. For the
[00:57:39] Zach: record, Sam is a very clean individual.
His apartment is supremely clean. There's not an ounce of garbage. Um, everything is beautiful and pristine. And that cockroach made its way into the window to fuck with us.
[00:57:59] Sam: So I knew, ha ha ha. So anyway, now it's in her stomach. If I were in something from this experience in my stomach, it is that that was delicious.
And if the US government wanted to sponsor a program where I could fry these babies up instead of, you know,
[00:58:18] Zach: some meat. Yeah.
[00:58:21] Sam: And let's go and have a delicious protein filled meal with my lentils and broccoli.
[00:58:27] Zach: Yeah, dude. The options, it's not too bad. Endless. Think about it, it's not too bad. First of all, cockroach farms, number one.
Okay. Number two, check this out. Would you run a cockroach farm? Absolutely. And lemme tell you something. I can see being the cockroach kick. I'm already lighting up buyers. Kroger's ShopRite, um, Ralph's. Think about the options of flavors. Ready for this? Yeah, I'm ready. Sour cream and onion. Cockroach. Uh, salt and pepper.
Cockroach, dill flavored. What's your flavor? Barbecue flavored. Oh, this is like chips seasoning. You can season the roach.
[00:59:05] Sam: You're imagining like chips, like when you like a bag of roaches? Yeah. It's, it's like, it's like those like Japanese snacks that are like, like little pieces of like squid. Yeah, it's like that.
But cockroaches, different
[00:59:17] Zach: seasonings.
[00:59:18] Sam: That's actually a good business. Umami flavored roaches. Yeah. It's like, you just call it roach. Like that's just the brand. It's like leis. It looks like a leis. Yeah. Label. But it's a
[00:59:25] Zach: roach. We can market at the Spanish people. We can call it elcho. We
[00:59:31] Sam: Spanish people. You know what, this is actually the million dollar I've been trying to get into.
Passive
[00:59:36] Zach: income lately. Yeah. Passive income. Roaches. It's the magic word. Roaches. Cash
[00:59:44] Sam: flow. No, we gotta, we gotta start making like YouTube videos. Like, like, um. Like YouTube ads
[00:59:51] Zach: that are like, get rich. Why don't we run it off the, we should run these ads right now for your podcast. Yeah, we should run,
[00:59:56] Sam: run an ad right of this podcast.
Stay tuned for the adsd, where
[00:59:59] Zach: we'll do the ad right now. Yeah. Mom, I'm hungry. What do you have to snack on? Oh, Jimmy, we only have your favorite snack. You have roaches Ros roaches in stores everywhere. Guys, this sponsor, this podcast is sponsored by Crunchy Roach. Crunchy Roaches can be found in every convenience store all over America.
Sam, I believe we just got into seven elevens. All seven elevens,
[01:00:32] Sam: all seven elevens. Now
[01:00:33] Zach: stock crunchy ros. Thank that Mr. Beast. Take that Mr. Beast. Take
[01:00:37] Sam: that Mr. Beast. Oh my God, dude. I'm calling it now. We're taking Mr. Beast out. Mr. Beast is gone. He's gone. The power has got to his head. He's, he's done. He doesn't realize how strong a cockroach is.
Dude,
[01:00:51] Zach: I saw a picture of him on Twitter today. Someone posted a picture of him and his girlfriend. And his girlfriend. He's got his like arm around his girl and he's like, his arm was grazing her boobs. Yeah. And she's got some nips hanging, like protruding. Yeah. And that's very un beast. Like, you know, Jimmy's kind of like this, like altruistic, uh,
[01:01:10] Sam: you know?
Yeah. Like, like, like, but like the, he,
[01:01:12] Zach: it was not something nor,
[01:01:14] Sam: you know, he's like, he's like a Disney guy, like a Disney character, you know? Yeah.
[01:01:18] Zach: He's so, I think maybe fame is getting to him and there's room for disruption. That's what I'm trying to say.
[01:01:25] Sam: There's definitely for disruption. Yeah. And if you're gonna disrupt,
[01:01:28] Zach: we just found out, oh, he took a, he took a, a selfie.
Sorry, I forgot to mention it was, it was like a, a selfie. Okay. It wasn't like, it wasn't like someone snapped it, it was like he snapped it and posted it. Right. Well,
[01:01:37] Sam: well, there's one thing that we just found out, out. It's a basic move right now. It's that if you want to disrupt number one disruptor, and I've experienced this before on several occasions, this was not the first time that a number one disruptor of a situation was a cockroach.
Yes. If you see a cockroach, your situation is disrupted.
[01:01:57] Zach: That's also like a, an ancient Chinese proverb. It's like a, if you see a cockroach, good fortune is coming. Is that true? Yes, a hundred percent. Whoa,
[01:02:08] Sam: that's epic. Epic. Yeah. So anyway, we're gonna disrupt the whole cycle of YouTube content.
[01:02:16] Zach: Yeah. Yo, Jimmy, we're coming for you
[01:02:18] Sam: by
[01:02:18] Zach: putting this podcast on Spotify.
Yeah. Oh my God. We have to get some like, uh, really, um, we get, we have to get people on our podcast that pissed the me that piss the media off the mainstream media because I feel like that's how we become popular. Like, if we get like those doctors that deny covid and all that stuff, then they'll, then, then, then like the media will be like this just in, you know, uh, Hashem's Hot Tub podcast is promoting, uh, vaccine disinformation, you know, and then Yeah, but
[01:02:49] Sam: what, but what, what if I think vaccines are probably good.
I'm sorry, what if I think vaccines are probably good.
[01:02:54] Zach: No, but then, but that's not, then they won't promote you. You won't be
[01:02:57] Sam: promoted. So this is, this is they Rogan? This is really, this is really just about getting the media's attention.
[01:03:04] Zach: Shh. Don't tell. I don't know. I don't, I don't want them to know. I'm just curious.
Okay. Listen,
[01:03:09] Sam: do you think that Joe Rogan, like has these people on his podcast? Cuz he just wants like the media to
[01:03:15] Zach: talk shit. If, if I was joking around, I would say Hells yeah. But no, I don't believe Joe Rogan, I believe Joe Ro, Joe Rogan, uh, genuinely wants to have conversations with all types of people.
Totally. I see that too. And, and the mainstream media has a, is living in, in another bubble where, you know, where Pfizer rules all, you know, that's what I don't know. I'm not a conspiracy guy and like I can definitely, I mean, you know what? Fuck it. Yeah. Go, go
[01:03:47] Sam: off King. I am a co conspiracy guy. I'm curious what you think, what you really
[01:03:50] Zach: think here.
I think the culture and the mainstream media culture is, is incentivized by big pharma. Pfizer is paying a lot of money in ad spend and they are definitely pushing a narrative for sure. A hundred percent. Now I'm not a doctor. I don't know shit about shit. I'm just an idiot. So don't get mad at me or get mad at me.
You know what? Get mad at me because I'm trying to get popular so we can blow up and take on Mr. Beast. Yes. Get mad. So, so like, I if you wanna say Zack Sanders is pushing Covid misinformation. Yeah, I'm pushing it. Covid is, was, was made in a, in a laboratory by Fauci and Gates. And uh,
[01:04:42] Sam: did you think Fauci actually personally made Covid?
No, I don't think, look, when you say Gates, you mean Bill Gates?
[01:04:52] Zach: Yeah. Bill Gates.
I genuinely believe that Bill Gates wants to do the right thing, genuinely wants to, uh, you know, he has a lot of fuck you money. Yeah. And I do believe that that a certain point. I mean, I've never been there, but I would imagine that at a certain point when you have so much money, Money doesn't buy you happiness, and it just, and what brings you meaning is to help the world advance.
And I think Bill Gates is a nerd who reads, you know, takes a week off to read a lot of books and, and advancing the world. And I believe, I do believe gen, genuinely, bill Gates wants to help the world. But I do also believe that there are bad actors who can take advantage of his, what's the word? Genuine.
Uh, you know, now look, if there's like an evil conference where, where they, where they've discussed, okay, we're gonna release this, we're gonna release this, like, you know, um, virus. Virus and you know, like, okay, I can't see people doing that. It's way too evil. It's way
[01:05:53] Sam: too evil. I think that like, yeah, I think that as with most things, like the most simple explanation, It's probably the easy, the best one.
Yeah. And I don't know, maybe it's made it a laugh. Probably not. I think probably someone just got sick and it went a little nuts. So, no, I, I, I do believe
[01:06:09] Zach: that, look, I don't know, I don't know anything about the Wuhan laboratory. Everything that I'm saying is mimicked, is parroted off of the amount of all the information that I've gained, gained from everywhere else.
But the way I think, the way I see it is that they probably, they probably were testing out these viruses in a lab. Cause they have these laboratories to do that. Everyone knows that. I don't know what gain of function research is. Was it sponsored by the United States? Probably. I have no idea. Was FS involved?
Probably. I don't know. Did they, did they want there to be this, to leak out and, and probably not. And uh, maybe a lot of fear and a lot of confusion and chaos. But one thing's For sure, for sure. And Covid really, uh, helped really bring out that no one really knows what's going on. Yeah.
[01:06:56] Sam: And well that's, that's I think where I was going is that, And the most simple explanation here is that like there's no cult of like leaders and that like decide everything, that everyone is just like kind of an idiot at a chicken without a head and acting out of their own self-interest and maybe to some degree what they perceive as being like the interest of the greater good.
Yeah.
[01:07:20] Zach: And they, there definitely has been a, there definitely is a financial interest for Pfizer, right? Right. How much money they do they make from these vaccines? Probably a ton. Like a shit ton. And they pay mainstream media to promote the vaccines. They probably influence policy makers, you know, lobbyists.
It's all the, it's going back to the, to beginning, to the beginning of the cast. We talked about the incentivized structures that are created and these structures are not, are not, not. Are are profit based and not, uh, for the, for the gr you know, they're not, they're blinded by, by pro, by, by by profit.
That's one of the set, that's one of the seven deadly sins. Gre Mm And no, and nobody can escape it. And let's go back to what you were saying in the beginning before we, before we turn, turn on the podcast. But your job where you said that, you know, you're, the people that you're working for want you to, you know, like be PC about who you're taking on as a
[01:08:28] Sam: client.
Oh, oh, oh yeah. So I context, I, I don't, I don't know how much I, I wanna like publish this cuz I don't wanna put like people on blast. You don't have to say who they are. Yeah. Well, cause the truth is I don't really know what's going on. We're talking about values. Yeah, right. I don't, I don't really know the situation here.
Right. I don't know the details of finances and relationships and I'll say laws and stuff like that. So you have to say it. I mean, I, I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say it. Okay, fine. I'm gonna say it No problem. Which, which is that, which is that I, like, I, I, I've been like, kind of in a weird working situation. I sort of need a short term job to make money while other, other things kind of come through.
And I kind of like fell backwards into New York real estate and like dipping my toes into like helping people rent apartments and stuff like that. And, um, it's been a few days as really interesting. Today was kind of the first day that I was on my own, like showing people apartments and like giving tours and trying to sell and stuff like that.
And, you know, it, it's felt a little bit shifty because, you know, we're showing apartments in like not so hot neighborhoods, you know, like neighborhoods that have yet to be gentrified. There's apartments that we show in Bushwick and Bedstuy and these places that like happening where gentrification is happening and there's apartments that are like a bit farther out.
And, and you know, a lot of people are coming at me in this role with like public housing waivers, like waivers to get money from the government for housing. And, and there's an implication, a not so subtle implication that like the landlord won't, the landlord won't accept these people. The landlord has the right to either confirm or deny whether they take these vouchers and most of the landlords won't take the vouchers.
And so, but I also can't tell these people no. Right? And so I need to like kind of lead people with public housing vouchers along while simultaneously trying my best to very quickly get predominantly white people. With money and, and the father who can guar toward the apartment and, and all of that into the space very quickly so that we can then turn around to everybody else and say, oh, sorry, the space got rented really quickly.
Um, but better luck next time.
[01:11:01] Zach: That's called li That's called lying. It's not that you are lying, but you, you are told to lie.
[01:11:08] Sam: It it's not quite a lie. It's almost a lie. No, it's a lie. It's lie. But, but re re regard like, regardless of like the semantics. Cause you can't tell people, today was my first day doing it and I came home feeling disgusting.
Right? So here's
[01:11:20] Zach: here, lemme tell you what's gonna happen. Okay? Cause you can't escape this, this, this to everyone. People's values get loosened with incentives. Totally. So let's take a politician for example, who really wanted to affect change. He's like, I'm gonna come in and I really want change. And these older politicians are all laughing and like, hahaha.
Give him a few years until. The corporations can buy him, right? Hey, here's $10,000 for your campaign. Hey, here's 20 grand, here's a million dollars. Now you're in this bubble, you're in this club, you're, you're able to afford your life. You don't feel like, you know, you build up this wall around you, you come jaded and before you know it, you forget who you are.
You forget your values and you become lost in the sauce. That, and that's a truth. Totally. That's a fact. So
why is lying bad cuz lying creates separations between reality and false reality.
[01:12:14] Sam: Right? And, and you know what the thing is that with, with, with this stuff, like, we're even lying to ourselves, right? Like, yes. Like, like in a day of like learning how this is done and then doing it, I have already begun the process of concocting lies to tell myself.
That makes it acceptable.
[01:12:36] Zach: The best thing is when you recognize that you're lying, you can tell yourself that you're, you can get yourself out of it. Like, no, that's a lie. Meaning it's better to always tell the truth than to lie. So you can be free. Yeah. And it's always better to operate from a place of values because it's so easy to get corrupted through money, through incentives, through financial incentives.
And you don't wanna, you don't wanna lose that. You don't want to, you don't wanna do that. It deviates you, it deviates you off your path. It totally does. You know, let's just, let's, here's a scenario. You start renting out apartments and you start making commissions. Now you can now, now you feel great cuz you, you're feeling good, you're feeling great.
Your money's coming in. You're not poor. You can afford your shit, you know? And it keeps growing. But now you're just a liar, you know? And that's not good. You have to stay true to yourself. And that's also an act of courage. It's not easy. It's not easy. It's not easy. That's it. Like human nature is really sensitive, and we have to be able to call each other out.
We have to be able to, uh, to really see what's going on and be willing to, to, um, rip off the bandaid when needed and, and to act courageously and to enjoy and delight in Hashem's hot tub.
[01:14:11] Sam: Thank God, Zack Sanders. Thanks for being here. Wow, this one. This was fun.
Baruch Hashem. Yeah. See you next week.