Mold Unveiled: Navigating Health Challenges with Brianne Calabria

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Speaker 1: 0:05

It's time for real discussions about health. Hi, I'm Dr Randy Michaud of Total Body Wellness Clinic, and each week on Restore the Real, I'll sit down with the guests to discuss how developing or overcoming health challenges has shaped the way that they live their lives, what they've learned, what they've changed and how they're moving forward. Restore the Real is a podcast that is unafraid and unapologetic when it comes to getting honest about the nuances of health and wellness Mind, body and spirit. Hello, hello and welcome to Restore the Real. This is Dr Randy and I am pleased to have Brieann Calibria on today. I'm that, brieann.

Speaker 1: 0:51

At an eco conference, we were sitting next to each other and I think it was like day three that actually introduced ourselves to each other, and then since then, like we chatted back and forth on Instagram and talked about some different ideas, just things that practitioners sometimes need help with and ask questions about. But Brieann is a board-certified integrative health practitioner and she is the owner and founder of Ohana Wellness. She is residing in Louisiana and it was funny because when we talked about what we might talk about today, she was like oh man, mold, louisiana and mold are like peas and carrots. So, brieann, welcome, thanks for being here today.

Speaker 2: 1:40

Hi, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1: 1:43

Really quick. How did you get into this space? What led you into integrative health and holistic health, working with people?

Speaker 2: 1:52

I think my story is probably pretty similar to other practitioners out there where it was a personal experience for me. I've always been in the health space. I've worked at clinical trials and oncology with their nursing school. I've been a personal trainer, yoga teacher, health coach for upwards of 10, 12 years and then, probably about five years ago or so, I got chronically ill and I didn't have any answers In nursing school.

Speaker 2: 2:21

You ask the why question and nobody can give you an answer why. So that was kind of a little bit more my own path, trying to heal myself and figure out what was wrong with myself. So when I found functional medicine, it kind of answered all those questions for me, the why behind what's happening to people and why they have these symptoms. So I got my board certification as an integrative health practitioner, healed myself and now I'm going on to help others that are in my situation. I have dealt personally with mold toxicity and you were talking about Louisiana and mold peas and carrots. Absolutely so. For me, mold was a big missing piece of my puzzle and when I finally uncovered that piece is when things started to finally fall into place for me.

Speaker 1: 3:12

What was it? How did you find it? Because mold's one of those things where people may look around their house and they're like, well, I don't see anything. I don't notice anything in the walls, I don't think there were going to be leaks. How did you discover mold? And, as a follow-up question to that, how has that discovery then helped you work with the people you work with?

Speaker 2: 3:37

So for me, I discovered mold when I was living in a brand new home, so it wasn't very obvious at all. I did a trace back in my life and I looked at different places that I had worked in the past and different homes that I had lived in. And when I started thinking about it and I knew what to kind of look for as far as symptoms went, I realized that I had had past water damage in multiple homes. I had lived very close to the ocean and those were inundated with different floods, different leaks in the past, and I just never really put two and two together. And then, coming down to Louisiana, I was exposed to mold down here as well. I see this a lot in my clients too, because it doesn't always have to be a current form of exposure. I deal with a lot of people that have lived through Katrina and just from being and salvaging those items in that home, they've actually brought mold with them or they've been exposed to enough molds that what we call sick building syndrome, when mold actually starts to colonize within their bodies and they start internally producing these mycotoxins. So for me I just thankfully knew what to look for and finally I decided to run subfunctional labs on myself. I ran an organic acids test. I saw that I had mold colonization. I ran a mycotoxins panel through Vibrant and I tested positive for a ton of different mycotoxins.

Speaker 2: 5:15

One closer inspection of my home after running those panels they always tell you look out for past signs of water damage, don't look for mold, because you're never going to find it. So I would look around for buckling or peeling or staining or discoloration. And sure enough, in my master bathroom I found a little baseboard that had a little bit of staining. Popped it off and there was black mold behind the whole thing. So for me, even at new homes, when people come to me they're like my home is brand new. It doesn't matter. This building process of that home is really what matters, especially down here, because it's exposed to those elements. It's always, you know, rain in five minutes a day and then we have 90, 120% humidity down here. So when we talk about controlling humidity in homes down here it's a lot harder because we always want to shoot for what? 45% or below humidity in the home.

Speaker 1: 6:15

And that's kind of hard when it's a thousandth of a humidity like all year round.

Speaker 2: 6:19

Yeah, I was going to say 50% of humidity is a really, really, really good day for us down here, so that's when the education comes here. We find the mold in clients down here, but how do we prevent it from happening in the future? What do you look for when you're moving into a new home or a new apartment?

Speaker 1: 6:36

that can kind of, before you go there, let me ask this so Katrina was like what 10 years ago?

Speaker 2: 6:44

Yeah, so 2000, 2005, I believe.

Speaker 1: 6:47

Okay, so that's like that's going way back, right, and so I think this is important because people may look at where they're at now and, as you said, how could I be living in mold? It's a new home and let's let's just play a hypothetical that right now in this home there is no mold, right? However, going back almost 20 years ago, that exposure, or any exposure to mold, you said, can still be lingering, right? And how have you seen that? Because I've seen that show up and people that I work with where they're like there's no way I live in mold right now. I've had XYZ person come out. They've looked for everything. We've done samples. There's not mold and it's like yep, I'm testing mold, so where is it in your in the past? How do you see that past exposure show up in people when they come to you? Maybe they're not even thinking mold at this point, they're thinking something else and how do you find that show up in them?

Speaker 2: 7:53

Sure. So I would say symptoms are big right. The chronic fatigue is the biggest one that I see across the board. We also have a lot of people that deal with a lot of brain fog. We know that mold spores and mitotoxins can actually transverse the nerves right, so it's going directly up into that brain, passing that blood-brain barrier.

Speaker 2: 8:14

And mold brain, as we call it, is extremely common For people. When we look at, you know, cbcs, usually white blood cell counts are chronically low for those people because they've been dealing with it for 20-plus years we also see some, some skin rashes, some hives, some histamine intolerances. Other things are sleeplessness and chronic urination overnight. That's a big one because eventually, chronically, mold will suppress that ADH hormone and it'll cause you to use the bathroom frequently at night time. Another thing is, I would say, cellular dehydration. We see that show up as a lot of static shocks in people. So when the cells are really dehydrated it's pushing that sodium and chloride to the outside of the skin, creating that barrier-like effect.

Speaker 2: 9:05

And I have people that you know if say they are going into work and their work is inundated with mold. Everybody runs around work and static shocks each other and they think it's a joke, but really it's a really big sign that there's something off in that office or wherever you're at. So I do have a lot of people come to me and they're like yeah, I do have static shocks, a lot Other things that we can look for, I would say a lot of lymphatic congestion or just overall sluggishness and slow moving. I've had a couple people explain it to me, like they're walking through mud basically, where everything's just a little bit more asteroid-driven.

Speaker 1: 9:47

You mentioned something just a minute ago and you're talking about histamine and for those that don't know what histamine is, it is released by a type of cell in the body called mass cells. And I think this is important because I see this with mold a lot, where they react to everything and they don't understand why and it's like what's wrong with me. And that doesn't always show up on regular, routine blood work. There's not really a sign of histamine unless you're running some specific markers and can see that. But the problem with that then is they go into a grocery store or church or some environment where there can be perfumes, fragrances, just the soap aisle alone in the store. It can be enough for anyone sometimes. But you know I have a lot of people that go to church and they're like I can't go to church because the perfumes just set me off. Why is that happening? And mold is one of those things that will activate these mass cells to release histamine and it's like the gift that keeps on giving.

Speaker 1: 10:52

It's the gift that you don't want but, it keeps on giving because, right, that release activates more and more, and every time there's another hit it's more release and more activity.

Speaker 1: 11:02

And then so if you're, if you're all of a sudden reacting to foods, to water, to your environment, to air, and you don't know why, mold is one of those things that you need to look at right and you need to kind of dive in and even if you think you don't have mold in your own so important because those reactions aren't just occurring because of age or genetics Mold has a huge role in that.

Speaker 2: 11:35

Yeah, absolutely. I call it input sensitivity, so not only things that we're smelling, but bright lights or loud noises too. That can kind of put people over the edge. But it comes to people thinking that you know, I might have molds, but I'm not really sure it might be my home. I'm not really sure. One of the best ways that you can kind of get a good gauge for that is going on vacation or spending some time away from your environment for a week or two. I've had a ton of people you know, when they come into the clinic and we go over all their symptoms, I'm like when's the last time that you were on vacation and how did you feel when you're on vacation? Oh, I felt great. No, actually my sinuses cleared up, I was actually didn't think a little bit better, sleep a little bit better. Then, like how'd you feel when you got back and all the symptoms kind of flood and return, and that's also a really nice, easy way to kind of determine is it really your environment that's making you sick or not Right.

Speaker 1: 12:30

I always kind of like when I hear that, it's like, oh no, because I think you know you automatically go to wow, what's going to need to be done in the home, and that's a whole another. We're not talking about that today, but that's a whole another issue. For this purpose we'll just focus on kind of the body and those and what happens. But it's what I find is mold, and maybe you've seen this too and if you have shared this, do you find that mold? When people discover they have mycotoxicity, mold, colonization in the body, mold in the home, it can almost be paralyzing Because there's. Do you ever find that there's like an uncertainty with what's next? Where do I go next? What do I do?

Speaker 2: 13:22

Yeah, that's a. It's just so overwhelming for people. I mean, you have to think about your belongings, you know what's worth keeping, is it worth staying in the home, and it's. It also comes down to support, right? I think the support system is huge, because there's a lot of people out there that live in family units and they're the only ones that are feeling a certain type of way in the home and everybody else seems to feel just fine and we talk about this too, right? Some of it boils down to genetics. If you have that HLA DR gene, you're a little bit more susceptible to things like that, but if you don't have that good support system, that's.

Speaker 2: 14:00

That's a big obstacle that I find pretty frequently with a lot of the women that I work with is that they just need somebody else to kind of believe them, because it's hard, you know, when you're living in a home and you're living with somebody else and they're telling you the home is making me feel this way. Well, how come I'm not feeling that way, right? So that's a big thing. I usually I try and have significant others come in so that we can talk together and they can understand things, because understanding, I think, is the biggest obstacle. The unknown is the scariest part, so I try and give my clients as much information as I can have them check out things like yes, we inspect, they're mold finders and really get a good understanding of how mold grows, how it lives and thrives in the home and what you can do to kind of help tackle it without it seeming such like a daunting task.

Speaker 1: 14:53

Right. I think that support is so key and to be able to articulate to a spouse or a parent or whoever it is that may be helping that person or roommate, whatever it is, whoever that is not whatever, and sometimes that's where testing can help, like here here's what's happening within the body and with some people, with guys, I've often likened this to hey, this is similar to a concussion. You can't see it. You know someone has a broken bone, someone has a rash all over their body. You can see it and it's like, well, we got to work on that. But you can't see fatigue. You can see the manifestation of it in the person, right, and you can see how. You know I just can't function.

Speaker 1: 15:38

But then that can create frustration, anger by the partner, like what's wrong with you? There's nothing, you look fine, right, everything seems fine. Doctor says your blood work is fine. So what's the deal? And with a few spouses I've likened this to concussion, because a lot of guys can relate based on what they've seen, if they watch sports, athletics, and you can't see it. But you clearly know that the personality has changed, the individual is in that protocol and it could take weeks, could take months, they could be out a whole season, depending on the severity of that concussion. And I liken it to that because, again, you can't see the mole toxicity, there's often not a lot of manifestation, and so that support is so critical to have, because the uncertainty can be paralyzing. And once that fear sets in, and if that person isn't supported it's the emotional toll is massive.

Speaker 2: 16:39

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 16:41

Now mold also. It brings a lot of other stuff out right, like what happens when you have mold toxicity and now your immune function is suppressed. What are some other things that come to light as a result of that?

Speaker 2: 16:57

The number one thing above all else is gonna be parasites. For me, I mean definitely. I don't think I've worked with one person that had mold toxicity that we didn't pass parasites with. It just presses that immune function so much and we're always exposed to these things. Right, it's really just how well your body's stepped to handling it. So if we have no good immune response, I do see parasites with a lot of people. I also see Lyme go hand in hand with mold pretty frequently.

Speaker 2: 17:29

We have to think about mold's action in the body. Right, it's lipophilic, it loves those fat cells, it junk's up all of our cells. And the way that I was taught was the solution to pollution is dilution, right, so kind of flooding the body with healthy fat cells to kind of take an oil change on those cells and flush that mold out. But with that said, I mean everything gets slower, including our detoxification systems and our organs, so all of our drainage pathways get super sluggish and then we start, I would say, accumulating a lot more of environmental toxicities like radioactive elements, and really quick really quick.

Speaker 1: 18:09

You said something important that I mean. You said a lot of things that are important, but this one. You said the body, the key to pollution, is dilution right and that if these drainage pathways are, ability to eliminate toxin is not working, which in a lot of people it's not what happens with weight and bloating. Does weight just stay the same or does that now become an issue, or start to become more of an issue?

Speaker 2: 18:40

I definitely see weight gain happen a lot with mold clients. Yeah, everything just kind of slows down. Everything starts accumulating in the body. It's much harder for people to get rid of a lot of things when we talk about like the protective mechanism of the body mold is. You know, your body's gonna surround a lot of those toxic compounds with that white adipose tissue to kind of help shield it off from the rest of the body. So then we have that collection of new fat cells. So yeah, definitely weight gain can be a big side effect of mold or stuff.

Speaker 1: 19:18

And I think with this, this is where a lot of people can miss the mold or not even think about it because it's oh, I'm not doing enough, I need to go exercise more, I need to get into CrossFit, I need to get into something else and restrict my eating, and I mean all those things can be good, but at this point in the game that could be one of the worst things to do, because the immune system might has already suppressed. My conjugal function, is now suppressed, the weight gains happening, and it does kind of make sense that, hey, the normal thing to do, I've got to exercise more, I've got to do more. But that can create a whole nother cascade then, and a whole nother level of immune suppression and loss of energy. Because if your body's trying to find mold and now you're trying to lose, weight gain, muscle build, those two things don't go hand in hand. No, it's happening.

Speaker 1: 20:20

Yeah, have you seen people that come in and then like I'm doing everything, I'm doing CrossFit, like five days a week, and there's an emotional toll, right, there's spiritual toll, there's physical toll, and so so this mold is one of these root cause things. This is, you know, peel back the symptoms and it's like wait. Maybe all this is not because I don't exercise enough, or it comes back to mold, yeah, so so yeah, and then any comments on that? Any, any? How do you, how do you work through that with someone?

Speaker 2: 20:58

Yeah, I do have a lot of people coming in doing all the right things when it comes to, you know, trying to lose that, severing weight, trying to eat right. But a lot of times, you know, especially when people take those food sensitivity tests, and they come to me and they're like listen, I've restricted 80 foods for my diet and I still feel terrible, but that nutrient restriction isn't really helping. It's hurting because in chronic mold cases we're gonna have a lot of stress on the adrenal glands, right, and we're gonna have a lot of issues with cortisol. And when these people are doing everything that they believe to be right, you know they're in the gym so often they're waking up and they're immediately working out or they're doing these high intensity interval exercises. All of those things are can be fantastic if you have the right body in the right time frame for it. But in that time frame when you are stuck in a chronic cold situation, it's super detrimental because it's putting extra stress on the adrenal glands. And then most of these people will actually be like I'm actually gaining weight. You know, I'm working out all the days of the week and I'm eating basically nothing and I'm putting on more weight. So that's another big thing that I kind of have to work with them.

Speaker 2: 22:14

You know it's not, it's more about treating your body as though you're sick. You know, nourish yourself. Eat warm, nourishing foods, go to the gym and get in movement, but don't stress yourself out to the point that you're in there for two hours at a time. You know. Take a few rest days throughout the week. Make sure that your gym routine looks like a steady state and you're not jacking up the heart rate and stressing out the adrenals and dropping it down and back and forth. There's a lot of lifestyle changes that people have are kind of surprised by, I'd say. You know, not too many times you go into a practitioner and they're like maybe you shouldn't be going to the gym as much as you are. But I see that a lot. You know people feel so terrible and they try to do everything that they could possibly do. But mold is different and it definitely requires a little bit of a different routine to help get yourself older.

Speaker 1: 23:09

Yeah, and I think to give people the space to say it's okay to pull back, it's okay to not think you have to be doing so many things, and sometimes that is hard to let go, it's a hard thing to be like, but but wait, this is, this is what I've been taught like all my life. You exercise, you eat less, and this is supposed to work and it's not, and it doesn't work that way anyway. But you know, one of the things that that I wanted to ask about is when people start to tackle mold, because that, as you said, that will bring up a lot of other infections parasites, lime and do you find that that those and I'll say and I'm in about pick on lime and viral type stuff, Epstein bar because what I find and we speak to this is that people start to attack all the other stuff. Right, they may have bacterial infections, viral infections, and it's like attack, attack, attack, attack, and they're missing some really foundational pieces to how their body actually works.

Speaker 1: 24:26

What do you find with that? And do you? Do you find that? And and how do you help people know, hey, all these other things virus, bacteria, even parasite to some extent is all symptomatic of the mold, or is all you know a result of the mold? And, and and how do you get people to stop like trying to kill everything in the body yeah, that they deem is bad, and say let's go back to some foundational pieces here.

Speaker 2: 25:01

Yeah, I do have a lot of people come in, you know, especially when you mentioned EBV, epstein bar, right, a lot of people have that underlying in the body. Certain mycotoxins, like aflatoxin, can actually make your body forget that is ever encountered Epstein bar and it can reactivate again. So when those people come in and they're like very focused on that, I I try and equate it to a Jenga board and when you have all of these pieces in the Jenga board, I always want you to think of mold being at the very base of that Jenga board and you have to take out all of that base of your Jenga board to expose the rest of the pieces, because mold is always going to be that driving factor. Right, it's the reason that these viruses are reactivating, it's the reason that the parasites have the open door to kind of exist in the body and without really attacking that, the base of the Jenga board, you're never going to be able to expose any of those other pieces and make you know progress in your protocol.

Speaker 1: 26:05

It's like whack-a-mole, right, you're trying to hit everything and you can keep doing it. Keep feeding the machine coins. You'll never get them all. They're going to keep coming out.

Speaker 2: 26:18

Yeah, I say no, no matter what. Obviously, drainage is always going to be first, but beside that mold is that that foundational piece of the protocol that has to be addressed first and ongoing in order for the rest of the stuff to go away. Because, for instance, parasites that you're talking about, you know you can have a parasitic infection and you can just be solely focused on getting rid of those parasites and it will be a year and a half later and you're still passing parasites because you're still living or still have mold within the body, because it's suppressing that immune function so much that it's just going to be impossible for you to get over that mount.

Speaker 1: 26:55

Basically, I've seen that. I've seen people where, you know, we've worked on parasite, we've worked on mold too, but they're just not getting better. And then at a certain point it's like we have to visit your home, like not personally, but it's like we have to look at your environment, what's going on? And recently there have been a few people that they're like no, I really don't think so. I'm like, look, we've been at this for a while. It has to be something in your environment that is driving this, because it just doesn't make sense with what you've done. And sometimes that could be so frustrating.

Speaker 1: 27:33

I'm doing, I'm doing the drainage, I'm doing the binders, I'm doing you know all these things. And yet then someone comes into the home and it's like what? But I had that work done. Well, maybe it wasn't done right or maybe they missed things. People are not perfect, right, the no system is perfect. And so mold is that insidious, hidden thing that can be anywhere right In the body, in the home. And so if you're not getting, well, check your environment right. Really search the environment. Have someone else come in, check the environment you mentioned. We inspect. They're fantastic, and that is that's crucial. And be vigilant about that, even if you check before you got to check again.

Speaker 2: 28:26

Yeah, I see failed Mutations happen all the time. It's a big thing. Do you ever utilize the BCS test the visual contrast?

Speaker 1: 28:37

you know, I, I used to, I would do a lot of that, but everyone was always positive for it and and not that that's a bad thing, but it's almost like a presumption that there's been mold at some point. Yeah, and we utilize muscle testing, and so, also, I will always test mold to see. Is that a factor? And I guess, one of the things do you use my I forget do you use muscle testing in your practice?

Speaker 2: 29:01

I don't, I just I do functional labs. I I use VCS testing to see if they're in that oldie environment. Because if we do that baseline and then we do everything and they're still not improving on that test, there's that'll be something that's Underlying. That's not kind of wanting.

Speaker 1: 29:17

What is that so? So if you're, if you explain, what is that VCS test and where would you find it?

Speaker 2: 29:23

Yeah, so VCS test is a visual contrast sensitivity test and it's basically it was created by the military of originally To see if their service members were being exposed to toxic compounds and if they were, they would restation them somewhere else. It's found on VCS test calm and it's basically just a visual acuity test. So you're basically looking at these lines and if they're blurring on the screen and you're telling them, yes, I can see this, no, I can't, and it's used for biotoxin illness and it's a great way to to see if you are being exposed or do you have biotoxin illness. It's something because I don't use muscle testing. This is something that I do use just to kind of. Sometimes, if we're concerned that there might be mold in the home and nobody can find it, we'll use it as kind of like a progress. You know you should be getting much better at this test, but your results aren't improving, so there has to be something in the environment that's keeping you stuck.

Speaker 1: 30:23

Another thing that I see that keeps people stuck Really quick can I ask this, sorry, do you see, when you do that test, so you'll do it like in the beginning Will you do that again as a follow-up so you can use that as a diagnostic? Can you also use that to see improvement?

Speaker 2: 30:38

Yes, exactly. Well, we'll do. Usually I'll suggest that they get there's like a package of three. I think it's $15 to do a package of three tests and we'll usually do them like a few months apart from each other, just to get a general gauge. You know if there's really something in the environment that we need to be looking at further, because if not, then you should be improving on that test.

Speaker 1: 31:01

Yeah, and that was vcs testcom or dot comcom, I believe, vcs testcom. Okay, yep, you were gonna say something else. I cut you off because I wanted to make sure people knew what that was, and it's taking you. So what were you gonna say again?

Speaker 2: 31:14

Yeah, I was just gonna say the. There's one other thing that I have found that keeps people sick or keeps people stuck, and that would be the sinuses. Um, so we know that mold can colonize in the body. It sets down these roots, but it can also colonize in the sinuses as well, and we were talking in the beginning about how it transverses those nerves, goes right up to the brain. But also, every single time that we sniffed and swallow, we could be repopulating the gut with these mycotoxins and these molds.

Speaker 2: 31:49

Um, they have done, you know, research and they've done tests on the fact that, yes, mold can colonize. It can actually produce mycotoxins within the sinus cavity itself. So if we're neglecting a sinus protocol with these mold people, that's usually a big reason why people get stuck or they're not clearing parasites completely. I always try to include some type of biofil buster, anti-fungal sinus rinse binder combination in the mix to make sure that we're clearing this stuff out. When I have people do it up one side up the other, sometimes they'll actually blow out black molds into the sink and they're mind blown. But it is absolutely possible that it could be colonized and living in the sinuses. If you miss that crucial piece a lot of times we're not going to see the results that we really want to see.

Speaker 1: 32:46

And I often, and sometimes you'll find parasites there. When you look at that as well, sometimes you'll have parasites come out too, which is all another like oh my gosh, what is that? You know, one of the things that in muscle testing that we find is that when I find it in the lung it's more of an acute thing. Like you are currently inhaling this. If I find it in the gut it could be food, probably still acute, though. But if I don't find it in the lung or the gut, then I go to the brain and when it's in the brain, that is more of a chronic condition. And what you're talking about with the sinuses in past exposure and you know why am I still sick. I've done all this stuff. It lingers, it hangs out. It doesn't readily leave the body. You know mycotoxins are not living, so it's not like you can kill it. All you can do is drain it, bind, drain, support the body. But it's not a living organism. So mold is, but mycotoxins are not, and that's often right.

Speaker 1: 33:51

What's stuck, trapped mold can be colonized there as well. But I think you're so spot on with the sinus rinse that there is. That is a critical piece to start early on and not later, because inevitably, if you've been in mold, I mean you're not necessarily drinking it but you're breathing 24 hours a day, seven days a week and it's so easy to get colonized in the sinuses. And if you ever really look at the sinuses on a CT scan which I mean, how many people are going to do that? Not many. The sinuses are deep, like these, are not just, you know, superficial, but these sinuses go deep and there's a very thin, you know, you know could perform plates, a bone between that and the brain and it's very easy for that to just transverse that and start to alter brain chemistry, brain function, as you mentioned earlier. Earlier we can change personality and not understand why we're feeling what we are and those around us mean you're crazy, it's mold, yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:57

Yeah, I see a lot of people have up here like facial type of symptoms, whether it be like plugged ears, congestion. We'll see a lot of issues like sore throat, eczema or psoriasis on the eyelids, swelling of the lips. It's a lot of concentrated in this area. When we talk about mold brain, you know that's another big, big factor that I always look to the sinuses for, but something that I'll never neglect in any of my mold patients or clients that sinuses are definitely top up, top priority.

Speaker 1: 35:34

Yeah Well, this has been great. I really appreciate the things that you shared, how you see that clinically. What are some of the major, major signs? What are some of the unrecognizable, sometimes signs, as you talked about weight gain and things. So really thank you for coming on and sharing some great things with us. Where can people find you?

Speaker 2: 35:57

So you can check out my website it is ohanawellnesscom. Or you can give me a follow on Instagram. I post a ton of daily tips and a lot of mold stuff on there too. It's ohana underscore wellness, and you can reach out to me on both of those websites if you do have any further questions or you feel like you want to get in touch.

Speaker 1: 36:19

Well, Brian, thank you so much. Appreciate your time Of course, thanks for having me, you send this Blessings to you.

Speaker 2: 36:25

Yeah, you too Happy holidays.

Speaker 1: 36:27

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