The Resilience Roadmap: Navigating Health, Heartache, and Healing with Corrine Haselden

In a captivating episode of "Restore the Real," Dr. Randy Michaux sits down with Corrine Haselden, a functional diagnostic nutrition practitioner and a board-certified health and wellness coach, to delve into her profound journey of health and self-discovery. Corrine opens up about her early life experiences, the challenges of living with Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS), and her quest for answers beyond the conventional medical system. This episode is a masterclass in resilience, empowerment, and the relentless pursuit of wellness.

Listeners are invited into Corrine's world, from her childhood marked by health anxiety and an unstable home, to her courageous battle with POTS and arrhythmias, and eventually, her encounter with toxic mold that turned her life upside down. Her story is one of transformation, fueled by an insatiable hunger for knowledge and a deep-seated belief in the body's innate ability to heal. Through libraries, medical textbooks, and eventually, the wisdom of functional medicine, Corrine pieced together a protocol that not only saved her life but also sparked a passion to help others navigate their paths to wellness.

This episode is a beacon of hope for anyone feeling lost in the maze of chronic illness. It underscores the importance of listening to one's body, challenging the status quo, and embracing one's journey with grace and courage. Corrine's insights into the spiritual roots of physical illness, the power of identity, and the transformative potential of embracing one's truth offer listeners a roadmap to healing that transcends the physical realm.

Join us on "Restore the Real" to witness a story of struggle, enlightenment, and ultimate triumph. Discover how to tune into your body's messages, navigate the complexities of health with confidence, and reclaim your vitality. Corrine's journey is a testament to the power within each of us to change our stories and emerge stronger, wiser, and more alive. Subscribe to "Restore the Real" on iTunes, Spotify, and other podcast platforms, and if Corrine's story moves you, please leave us a review. Your journey to wellness begins now.

Hi! Dr. Randy, here. Thank you for being here! I'd like to invite you, my podcast listeners, to our thriving private health community, Empower Act Heal, on Facebook. It centers around YOU claiming your personal power and gaining momentum on your path to vibrant health! We're a supportive, judgement-free community where you can show up as you are and find greater success. I do weekly LIVES and bring in experts, just like on my podcast, but in a more personalized setting. Just follow this link into our Community, we can't wait to see on the inside!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/empower.act.heal

-----

Work with Dr. Randy and Total Body Wellness Clinic

Visit the Total Body Wellness website: https://www.totalbodywellnessclinic.com/

-----

Follow along on social media:

Instagram @restoretherealpodcast

TikTok @restoretherealpodcast

-----

Want to be a guest on the Restore the Real Podcast?

Use this link to apply to be a guest on the show.

-----

For all media, promotional + affiliate opportuniti...

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:05

It's time for real discussions about health. Hi, I'm Dr Randy Michaud of Total Body Wellness Clinic and each week on Restore the Real, I'll sit down with the guests to discuss how developing or overcoming health challenges has shaped the way that they live their lives, what they've learned, what they've changed and how they're moving forward. Restore the Real is a podcast that is unafraid and unapologetic when it comes to getting honest about the nuances of health and wellness Mind, body and spirit. Hello, and welcome back to Restore the Real. Thanks for being here, thanks for showing up, and today we got an awesome guest who is, I'm just going to say, badass. I've known Corinne for, I think, two, maybe three years and have a chance to work with her some, and she is a functional diagnostic nutrition practitioner and she's also a board certified health and wellness coach, so I'm excited to have her on today. We've got a awesome conversation, discussion going on, coming on and Corinne welcome.

Speaker 2: 1:18

Thank you. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here.

Speaker 1: 1:22

Absolutely so if you can give us a little insight into you, into your background, into what you're doing and why you're doing it.

Speaker 2: 1:32

Yeah, so I'm 50, so I'm going to the long story short and try to sum it up. But there's a lot of things that have kind of come together to influence who I am today and what I'm doing. And it really started when I was a kid and I from the time that I could read I had a lot of health anxiety, but it was stemming from a really unstable home environment where I didn't feel taken care of, and so somehow I got it in my head that if something were to happen to me, I needed to figure it out and I needed to know what to do about it. So I would sit and I would read through volumes of medical encyclopedias, and so it kind of started there. That planted a seed, you know, just awareness. I was the kid in the fourth grade getting Charlie Brown and his body book and getting the book about the girls whose brother had a mass, and so it kind of started there. So a lot of you know like instability and really relevant, because my experiences there really set the tone for my nervous system, like really being, on just Pilar, a hyper vigilant, you know, always looking out for you know the next thing I was never really, you know, super relaxed.

Speaker 2: 2:44

And when I got into high school I started having a lot of anxiety and what I now know is pot symptoms and where every single time I stood up things would go gray. I remember going to camp in the summer and I was always sluggish, just wanted to sit down. Walking far was torture. On the way home from, the bus would drop us off and I had to walk up two hills and tip my head upside down several times just to get the blood back, you know, and told it was normal. I remember telling the pediatrician and they said that's perfectly normal, it happens to everybody. So really kind of denying. You know my experience, and at the time, of course, I did know any better. Okay, maybe this is normal. So I started having a lot of panic attacks, and let me just back up one, one second. So even though I was having those symptoms and I had those periods, I was also still active. I could ride bikes, I could climb trees, I was a downhill skier, I played soccer, I ran track. So there was a lot of, you know, normalcy in that, but things just weren't always quite right.

Speaker 2: 3:42

And then in my early twenties, when I got married and I had my first baby, I started getting really bad heart arrhythmias and the pot symptoms got worse. So we were living in California at the time and that's when I got like the official diagnosis except it only had a name for a handful of years. So while they could do the preliminary testing, which was basically a tilt table test, they didn't know what to do with the results and that was really scary for me. You know, on one hand I was happy to have an explanation for what was happening and somebody's, you know, paying attention, but they didn't know what to do with it. And just, you know, months prior to that, I was in the ER a lot for the heart arrhythmias and they bought out to me I was crazy, it's just anxiety. And they sent me to a psychiatrist and, you know, and I was so desperate for relief I'm like, all right, if there is something wrong then, but let's handle it. You know, and they did nothing that had me take. It was like an IQ test and he said, okay, there's absolutely nothing wrong with you, but here's your prescription for prozac and I knew at that young age that there's a physiological problem here. I'm not crazy, something is wrong.

Speaker 2: 4:54

Never took the prescription, never took the drug and really set off to research. You know, okay, nobody, nobody can figure this out. They don't know what to do with me. What do I do? So, mind you, this was before Google, you know, we didn't have information like really readily available at our fingertips, and so I spent so much time in libraries reading through medical textbooks, journals, photocopying, making tabs, three ring binders, bookstores. I remember going into bookstore I had 12 or 13 books and the guy was like, you know, comments, and I'd sit on the floor and but I had to figure out what was going on with me and I was seeing a cardiologist and he, you know, we didn't echo echocardiogram. So all the valves were fine and I came across some information that was from mitral valve prolapse syndrome and I brought that back to him and I said you tell me that my valves are fine, but I have every single one of these nervous system symptoms, you know. And so that's where the whole this autonomia. You know, he was actually the one that sent me down to the UCLA to get the tilt table testing.

Speaker 2: 6:02

So at least it started, you know, coming together and I came up with a pretty like rudimentary protocol and it was like lots of water, add salt, add magnesium, lower my stress, get even better about nutrition and actually start to recover. And I went from that to having another baby and when I was pregnant with her I was, like you know, walking two and a half miles a day pushing a stroller, like in did well for about 12 years, so lived a really normal life in. In that, just seeing the changes that happens, like the empowerment really through my own you know research, putting together all these puzzle pieces, devising this very simple protocol but really massive changes in my life, caught my attention. And so I went from there to when I was having the babies. You know, I had two babies and they were in the hospital and I had the drugs and it was really hard. And then baby number three, we were still in California.

Speaker 2: 6:55

I decided to do it a different way and I took Bradley natural childbirth classes and I'm like I already have two kids. I didn't know any of this stuff and you know so it was like my knowledge just kept building and expanding over years. We had fantastic farmers markets there where I had access to so much organic food, so that's where I started learning about organic food and it just kept growing. And then I once I had a really beautiful easy birth. After that I went on to have home births. I had three more kids and I had home births for them and, you know, went to the organic food and I had with the food piece of it. I had one foot in one world and one foot in the other, so I would drive an hour and 20 minutes out of my way to buy organic food, but I'd stop at McDonald's on the way, like for real. That's what I did. And then this one particular time I just have to tell you this, it's kind of gross, but it is also kind of funny I did just that ==astesaneNetworks and I was this was 2005, I was pregnant with baby number five and ended up getting to the whole foods parking lot and through all of that big Mac up everywhere, and but it was a light bulb that went off, you know, and in that moment I was like you're doing all of this, the even, the extra money, the gas, the effort, is this important or isn't it?

Speaker 2: 8:12

You know, and I made that decision right then. And there this is important. I'm doing it for a reason and I never touched that stuff, you know, ever again. So so yeah. So I went on and it just kept evolving. And then in 2010, things really went downhill with my health and I was not given the diagnosis but investigated with rheumatology for lupus because of some of the tests that were coming back. And again in the conventional world they just say, well, this looks like what it could be, but I was one symptom short of the criteria of getting that diagnosis in the conventional world. So I didn't get the diagnosis. But they said let's just wait five and 10 years and we'll see what happens.

Speaker 1: 8:54

Just wait and see, Just yeah.

Speaker 2: 8:57

Just wait and see. And so I walked away terrified. I felt like I was just had been given a death sentence. I was so scared. But again it was like, just like I did in the very beginning, I had to ground myself. I had to think through it clearly and what can I do? Because I'm not? Let's just wait and see. You know, you're not. No, definitely not, you know. And so I started doing what I needed to do to kind of correct the root of the imbalances in my body, you know. And then, as you know, symptoms go away, diagnosis just disappear and they go away.

Speaker 2: 9:32

But going from that 2010 up until 2016, it was six years of, despite doing everything, that I knew how I was getting worse and I was spot on with my nutrition. I was seeing some of the top people in this country, both conventionally and not conventionally, and, you know, low stress. My family was taking care of everything. I didn't have to do anything. But I was getting worse. And then we discovered toxic mold in the house and it was so bad. The building biologist said you need to get out and you need to get out now. And it was. He came in, he got into the walls. He said every everywhere you have problem plumbing, you have a problem. He was looking underneath the floors. We had a crawl space. Once we figured out what was happening, I never spent another night in that house, ever again, you know. So we just left on a whim and figured it out, you know, along the way.

Speaker 2: 10:29

But during that six years, you know, I had been having so many people probably gosh 2000 people, gosh 2010, even 10 years before then contact me for different health problems and what do you suggest for this and what can I do about this?

Speaker 2: 10:46

And so during that six years I was bedridden for a lot of that time. So I needed something to do and that's when I decided to get all of the certifications. My academic education is in bio behavioral health, which is, it's like public health, but with a little bit more of a twist, with mindfulness and positive psychology and, you know, focused on like the behavior, behavioral aspects of it. But I was like I need to be able to like work with people. And so during that time I got my very first. It was a health coaching certification from Duke and Great of Medicine and but it focused very specifically on behavior change. So people can come to you with a smoking problem or whatever, or you didn't even necessarily have to be health related. Well, they were very strong academically, but they discouraged education and they discouraged giving people resources, and so I thought those are my two top strengths and right.

Speaker 1: 11:43

this is what you've done for your whole life is research and advocate for yourself, and yeah, that's exactly it.

Speaker 2: 11:50

And so I thought I need something else. And so that's when I branched off and I got the functional medicine coaching certification because which was excellent and kind of like. With that I had already been doing functional medicine, so that was new. This just kind of made it official People like titles, as I like to say so. So I did that. But even then, you know, I was seeing a lot of people, but I was also getting people with complex problems, because you do tend to attract oh yeah, we definitely attract what we are experiencing and going through, and I've always heard a quote from people that you are.

Speaker 1: 12:25

you will be the best coach or advocate for the person that is most like you where it has the similar conditions as you, and that is so. I found that to be true for sure.

Speaker 2: 12:36

It is so true. It's because you can like. Not only do you have the knowledge, but you can also speak from a position of authority. You know because you understand it inside and out and you know POTS is one of those things. You know it's there's a lot of kind of book learning, but it's an area where 30 years ago Is it 30 years ago? Yeah, almost 30 years ago, 26 years ago it was when I got that official diagnosis it had only had a name. I knew some of the people who are actually still some of the top people conventionally like in that field. Fast forward all of this time. They've got nothing different for you. You know I read their stuff and they understand it. From a medical, you know standpoint, but not from an experiential, you know standpoint. So, as much as they can help, which they don't, it's comfort measures and drives, basically yeah, and you find and I want to.

Speaker 1: 13:30

That's really. There are a couple of things I want to like unpack on that. I think the first one is what you just alluded to is that it's a diagnosis. Treatment hasn't changed, and what is it like when? What was your experience? When you've done all this research on things and you're the one experiencing it you go to doctors, health practitioners, and they give you the exact same stuff and you know more than almost no more than them, but yet they're the authority figure essentially. I mean, you know authority whatever, and what does that do?

Speaker 1: 14:09

What are the? What impact did that have on your I'll say your nervous system, on your, yeah?

Speaker 2: 14:15

So that's a really good question, and especially coming from a background where, with my mother, if there was something wrong, you'd run to the pediatrician, you'd run to the doctor, you would you start to get a cold, you would take this, you know, and so like that's the background that I grew up in, and so I was taught to think of doctors in that way of you know, they are authorities, they're all knowing, you know they have the answers. And then, through my experience, I came to find out no, they don't. And but it was an opportunity to learn how to stand in my own truth, you know it, to really stand in my own truth and to lose the need to be validated by these So-called you know, authority figures in the outside world. This was my body, this was my experience, I knew my symptoms.

Speaker 2: 15:07

Yeah, so really just owning that, owning that and not letting other people, you know, dictate that had I had done that, who knows, you know, what would have happened. You know, all of those years ago getting the diagnosis in the beginning, like I said earlier, like it was kind of nice, like okay, this has an explanation. See, I'm not crazy, you know. But then also, throughout this experience, you also have to work to lose that identity, you know, because you don't want to wear that as a label.

Speaker 1: 15:36

You will never hear is there a danger in that? It was I and I bring this up. My wife and I were having this conversation last night on labels, diagnoses, and she was like, well, can it be beneficial to like have that label but then work through it, or, in your experience, have you found that? No, I don't accept the label at all, it is merely a condition. But it's not me like, how would you, how do you teach that to others when they're given a diagnosis or multiple diagnoses, or you know a label? How do you help people see past the label and what? I'll ask that question first what's the danger in the label and how do you get past the label?

Speaker 2: 16:23

yeah, well, it is first helping them understand that it is just a label. You know they give these labels. You have a symptom, you have symptoms, you have this whole subset and it's just the umbrella name that they give it. That's simply what it is. And helping them understand that you know labels tell you what is happening, but they don't tell you why. You know, and so I help them understand. That's where the focus needs to be, and I do caution them about owning that label and there is a tendency to do that because, like me, you're gaslit, especially with something like pots. I'm not in a wheelchair, I don't have an obvious broken leg, I don't have.

Speaker 2: 17:07

You know, if people say, oh, it's cancer or it's autoimmune or it's something that people recognize, there's a lot more sympathy and understanding. But when it's something that is more invisible, you know they do think it's all in your head. I've been told my mother there's nothing wrong with you, it's all in your head. My sister was like well, I think it's just anxiety, I think you need pros. You know you really are gaslit.

Speaker 2: 17:32

So these people are it kind of excited, especially in the very beginning, to meet other people that have been given the same label, because this is someone who can identify with what they've been experiencing. They're typically isolated, they're lonely, and so it becomes their community. You see it in Facebook groups all the time. You know this is their community and I got into some of these pots groups because I wanted to see what the current conversation was and where people were struggling and I offered some help here, or a lot of it, like mindset wise, they fight to keep their label because if they lose that label, who are, they lose their community, they lose the identity. They don't know who they are is a well, you know person, and so I got a lot of pushback to the point where I had to get out of it.

Speaker 2: 18:24

It was toxic for me, you know, but it was also like really eye-opening and so I think like no matter, though I think it's dangerous, you know, it's not like. You know, I have pots. I have my mother right now dealing with brain cancer, but I've taught her to talk about it in that language. Not, I have cancer, like it's. You know, that's not who you are, right, you know. And then to break them and that's been kind of work really, because she all the above.

Speaker 1: 18:55

Well, you know, and it's so easy to because we're all we're taught I think we're taught from a very young age, intentionally, unintentionally, by parents like this is who you are. Right, this is little Johnny, this is little you know, and we embrace that identity because we may get rewarded for that Right and it feels good, oh, if I do these, if I do this action, then it's a good thing, and I do find that the same with a diagnosis, as you said, it's a relief, yeah, because oh, that's what it is and it can and it does provide community. I find the downside of it is that then people will and this is a gross generalization, I know that, but many it almost enables them to. This is not my responsibility, I have no power over this right, it's just my lot in life and this is how it is. And I feel that when that begins to take hold, that the entire being of that person changes and they powerlessness. That happens and unless someone can, you can't tell someone that Right, it doesn't work.

Speaker 1: 20:08

And anyone that's told what to do or what they should do or what they should think, I mean it's whatever, it's pushback. And so I'll say, even with the things that you've been told that you are. How have you? And a lot of research that you've done and all that, but what do you think have been the most defining ways that you have found value within and seen? No, I am not any of these conditions or diagnosis. Here's my beauty within what has led you to discover that? And was it a quick process? Or was it a long process? Or even was it, did it come in pieces and parts and it was like, oh wait, and now there's more understanding and more understanding. Sorry, that's a lot of questions at once, but yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:54

so I would definitely say that it came in parts and pieces. I would say the biggest catalyst in my like evolution I'm not a huge fan of that word, but for lack of a better word, right and I was kind of like the line in the sand where everything changed and again, like life gets kind of you know brought in and right before this line with these like diagnoses, and I was still, you know, kind of working to you know, not attached to that label to see, and I was like, oh, I'm not, you know, outside of that, I started getting into you know, really understanding and this was back to your kind of like people like absolve all responsibility. I really went into like spiritual roots to physical illnesses and I was like I'm not, you know, and I could see where to evil with the pots that just related dysregulated, nervous, and what is that? It's? It's fear and it's anxiety, the stress, fear and anxiety, like that's exactly what it is. You know, like you can't bypass the penalty of the curse, you know.

Speaker 2: 22:04

And so I had to realize that here I was, you know, praying for healing, you know, praying for this big turnaround, but yet I was really hanging on to you all of this. You know the stress, fear and anxiety. But learning who I was from a spiritual perspective, my relationship with God, who who God sees me as, was really important because I, prior to that, thought I was this body, you know, and it was at that point where I started to realize that I am not this body, I am a spirit inhabiting this body to have this worldly experience, you know, and so that was really important. So I had that going on, and then I had my marriage completely explode.

Speaker 1: 22:55

Can I pause really quick? What you just said, I think in. Sorry I'll come back, but I feel that what you said was so powerful and I don't want people to miss it that you are a spirit, right, there's divinity within. Having this physical experience, and would the needs of your spirit be able to have the life lessons? The, I'll just say, the experience is needed to make you who you are, without the body that you have, I think sometimes we look at as a curse, like dude, this, my body sucks, right, but is that not the gift that is allowing you to find strength and to find your true value? And I mean that awareness can be like, it's like, but I don't want this. It's like well, that's what you have, but this is not who you are, right. Can you find that? And we see that in.

Speaker 1: 23:55

I mean, there are so many people that I can think of that have overcome things. I mean you're one of them, right, and there are other people in history that have overcome these major challenges. And why do we love the story? It was because of what they had. And why did they become that? It was only through their body, or those that they were given, that they were able to overcome. So without that, there would be no story. Without the physical limitation, without the impairment, there wouldn't have been a story.

Speaker 2: 24:28

There wouldn't have been a story. And when you're in the thick of it you do question why? Why is Absolutely, Absolutely. Why am I suffering so badly? Why are these people running and I can barely even walk to the bathroom? Like this is so unfair, it doesn't make sense. It's really easy to go into self-pity, but when you get ahead and you can look back and hindsight is 20-20, I see personally right now how I am helping people in transforming lives. Had I not had the story that I've had, I wouldn't be doing that, I wouldn't even know to do that, Like I wouldn't.

Speaker 2: 25:07

And so it's like even being able to take what has been really torturous, you know, in all of the different suffering, and to be able to turn around and like pay it forward. That's a gift. You know that's a gift. And even the other stuff, like the marriage stuff, that's super hard when someone goes through that and gosh the same thing with an illness. This is so unfair. This is whatever I'm telling you. What I got out of that the personal growth. I wouldn't trade it. I wouldn't trade it. You know it's created a really strong human being. You want to talk about learning how to stand in your truth.

Speaker 1: 25:41

Sure Sure.

Speaker 2: 25:44

There's nothing like it. But, yeah, you know, sometimes, like you know, I'd work with clients and I actually heard this a lot Because they're going through. I always ask people, you know, I don't want to just see the health history, I don't, I want to know who they are Like, tell me your story. And so when I first meet with them, I say, take me back to your childhood. I said, just said, I don't need every single detail. I said, but I tell them, but help me understand the people and the events that help shape who you are today. And so I get a. You know, I get a lot of information from that, but it's really, you know, so important. And then they'll say, well, you know, tell me about the things that they're struggling with. And they're like how do you know all this? And I'm like lift it, you know, because I've whipped it like that's what you learn, and so you can see, like hindsight. You know it is a gift and I always you have to choose to see it that way.

Speaker 1: 26:33

You do. Yeah, what's the danger? And I think we've touched on this. But what do you see from a healing standpoint? Because you mentioned something kind of at the beginning where it was okay. I got to find the next thing and I feel that there can be a not can be that there is a danger in that. What is the next thing? What is not that? Those are wrong. But we can be looking outside of ourself for the healing, when often it's everything we need is already here, but we don't want to look in because it hurts and it's painful.

Speaker 1: 27:13

And I found there was a quote, a member of sharing this with you, and when I first heard it it hit me so strong. It was from a guy named Peter Crone and he said you know, everything that has happened to you was meant to happen to you. Because it did. And I remember when I heard that for the first time, I'm like wait, I got to replay that and I listened to it again and it actually became very freeing for me because whether it was right or wrong, good or bad, that didn't matter, but I was in the position. I was, I'm in the position, I am now.

Speaker 1: 27:50

You're in the position that you are now because of the culmination of all these experiences, and again in the midst, as you said. I mean it can be hell and there are many things that it's like. I never want to repeat that, but I would never trade it either, and I think that when we see it from that perspective, that's where the gift comes into play, where it's like, oh my gosh, life has been a gift and I'm here now because of that. And I find, even having conversations with people, whether you work with them, whether someone a health coach works with them or not, it's like, hey, something has brought you here, so there's something to give and receive that's going to be valuable. And maybe it's not what's needed or at the right time, but it's like these moments are not coincidence.

Speaker 2: 28:38

Right.

Speaker 1: 28:38

They're not just random things that happen, but they're stepping stones, and when we begin to look for that, I think when we begin to look for it, that's when we more start to get into our heart and it's like wait, I'm exactly who I need to be. How can I magnify this essence of what God's blessed me with and I feel that's what you're saying in that, that man. I needed all this because now I can show up for the people that are coming to me in a way that no one else maybe no one else can.

Speaker 2: 29:08

Yeah, that's exactly it. And how you said, there is a danger when it's always like the next thing, because one that's keeping your nervous system on high, and so there has to be a point where you surrender not give up, but you surrender.

Speaker 1: 29:24

Yeah, two very different things. Two very different things.

Speaker 2: 29:27

And I remember the point when I did that and I was at rock bottom. I could barely sit up, couldn't stand up, couldn't. I mean I was at rock bottom. I had to accept that I very well could die because I keep getting worse and leave my children out of the mother and they'll be okay. I mean, I was at that point. It was bad and I surrendered and I was like God, I don't know the outcome and I can't control the outcome.

Speaker 2: 29:54

I think that was the very first time that I realized that I can't control any outcome. The only control that I have is to do each next step and really do everything that I know how to do to move myself in the direction of wellness. That's the power that I have. I can't control the outcome. I don't know if that's going to turn out well or not. You know, and so I think that's really important. You know for people, because when you're in a like, you want to gather information, but when you're in a fighter, you know attitude, you have a fighter attitude and you're in fight mode, like that's working against. You know your actual healing and you know, and in that like, as you said, like that was meant to happen, because it did happen. So at the same time, it is trusting your path and in that, you know this is headed somewhere and this is happening for a reason, even though you don't understand what that reason is. Right now you know and also you know you're so right about.

Speaker 2: 30:56

People are looking for, like, just tell me what to do, you know just it makes it easier. But they are looking for those outside answers. There's so many people that think healing is a testing and supplement game and I have to tell them it's not. There's so much more to that. Is that going to support your physical body? Yes, if we support that, is that going to help them until emotional, spiritual? Yes, you know, they all influence each other. But you can't expect full wellness if that's all you're doing or if that's all you're willing to do. I've had this one person like comes to mind, where she was fantastic about all of that, but all of the other stuff she wasn't even willing to go there, like couldn't go there. And I don't know about you, but I can see people now, just after the experience and being able to discern patterns, and when I see people, I can tell you who's going to get well and I can tell you who isn't.

Speaker 1: 31:52

It is. It's very clear, because there's work that has to be done and it's it is looking, it's looking inward and there was, you know, for years, for myself, I wanted what everyone else had, not the material stuff, okay, well, maybe, but I wanted the gifts and the talents that others had, because it was like I'm not enough. And it wasn't until and this was not like an aha, where it just all of a sudden happened, it was piece by piece, and I feel that's what healing is. It's never okay. Maybe it is for some. I haven't found it to be this aha where all of a sudden it happens, while little by little, this whole facade began to crumble, which was wonderful because it was like wait, everything I need is here, and yet I've been searching for or looking for everything else and then you find yourself you know from time to time, wait, no, they have no come back. What are your gifts, what are your talents? And then, oh, wait, but they have no come back.

Speaker 1: 32:53

And it doesn't mean we don't try to expand and have expansion of our gifts and talents, but this need again to look outside and say if I don't have that, then I'm not enough or I can't heal. I feel there is major, there is danger in that, because then we're never enough. And I feel that lack and that word becomes very, I think very strong it's. I hear people say that, yeah, I just lack. I'm like lack what? And they can't define it, but it's like I'm not enough, I'm not worthy of love. And when you start to see people turn that around and believe, it's like, oh, you're gonna heal. It may take some time, but you are going to change versus the person that. No again, as you said, just tell me what to do, just give me the protocol, give me the plan, let me do that. And it's like, no, this isn't how that works. Gotta look within.

Speaker 2: 33:53

Yeah, and that goes along with a worthiness and worthy of love. But a lot of these people am I worthy and deserving of health?

Speaker 1: 34:03

Yeah, and I think part of that is again because of programming right from people, from doctors well, well-meaning doctors but it's still. It can be very hurtful and impactful. So, as you work with people and as you are making these changes on your own, I remember there was like a what has allowed you to now just fully embrace, like, your gifts and talents, because I remember seeing a shift and now, as I watch some of the stuff that you post and what you're doing, it's like, wow, she knows her purpose and it wasn't like you never did, but there's a completely different intensity about that. And what shift, what changed that took you from okay, I'm playing full out, to now I'm really playing full out and embracing all of me.

Speaker 2: 35:02

Yeah, you want to know what that is. Honestly, it was the anticipation of 50 and turning 50. It's true, it really was that. You know, you always hear about that as being a milestone, but I really felt like it was. And it's like Brené Brown, you know, she talks about midlife and when she talks about, like you know, midlife and she's like you're halfway to dead and but that stuck in my head, you know, because when you're, you know, even when you're 26 or you're 36, it's like, oh, I'd like to do that someday and I, you know, and it's always a someday, it's always like a bucket list. And then you're like he turned 50.

Speaker 2: 35:42

And for me it was just so, wake up. I mean, I tend to do what I want to do when I want to do it anyway. I'm pretty spontaneous in that way. But still, you know, and and my desire is to blow what I'm doing right now up huge, because there are so many people out there that need to be helped, you know, and I understand the desperation. And then now, with everything that's going on in the world, we have a whole other subset of people who are now dealing with pots, and these people, you know, they go, just like I did. They're going like I was the Cleveland Clinic, they're going to Vanderbilt, they're going to Mayo, they're seeing some of the other top specialists and they're not getting help, you know, and it is the gaslighting. Here's the comfort measures and the drugs, and they are without hope. And so I just see an urgency, you know, I just see an urgency and again, with, like, everything that's happened in the world right now, like people need to wake up to what's happening with their health care. That's not health care. They need to understand that if you want to be well, you need to become empowered. You need to learn how to take these things in your own hands. Like, even when I work with people, like I don't want to be seen as a savior, you know, or the hero who showed up to help.

Speaker 2: 36:57

My desire is to teach them, to guide them, to show them how to do this themselves, so they can get in touch with their own intuition. You know, and I know you said to me like, with my intuition, you know, like you know exactly what you have to do. You're always good at doing it and I was good at, like, listening to that. You know, but I want to empower you know, people to that, but it is. I tend to be more bold than most, anyway, but now I just I've got a fire. You know I've got a fire and I've got this passion and people need to know and understand, and it's I want their lives to be better.

Speaker 2: 37:33

I want them to have a better experience, a different experience, because they can see from the outside where they're stuck, they're in their stories, they're on their path. You know it's. I don't want to be a savior in that way either. You know they, just like we talked about, you've got to experience certain things you can't just tell them. You know they've got to actually experience it and the light bulbs have to go off on their own. But I don't know. I guess there's a piece of me that secretly hopes to fast forward that process.

Speaker 1: 38:01

I think a lot of this has to do with clarity, right? This is something that I think a lot of people struggle with. When you ask, what do you want? And I've struggled with this, right, and people can tell you what they don't want, right, and give you hundreds of things that they don't want, but it's like, okay, you've told me everything you don't want, but what do you want? And again there's this, I think, this fear of, well, if I actually say what I want, is that selfish or is that should I be asking that? Is that okay to ask? And I love.

Speaker 1: 38:33

There was a meditation I was doing with Michael Beckwith, who is the head of this agape center in, I think, southern California, and he said you know, if you can imagine it, it's already there, it's already inside of you, the roots of it are there and that means that you can manifest, that, you can achieve that. But yet still voicing that at times and being clear on this is exactly what I want is a little scary, because then kind of the fear of what if I don't? What if I don't measure up? What if it doesn't happen? And again that's where this whole autonomic dysregulation comes. If we live in what if, then it's paralyzing.

Speaker 1: 39:14

But if we can really get clear on what do you want? What is most important, why do you want it Right, not just what, but why. What is that going to bring your soul, and then then start to look at strategies of how that's going to happen. But that clarity, I think, is critical and I think that's one of the things that I've seen in you, like that clarity of oh my gosh, this is exactly what I want to work with, this is exactly how I want to help people and what I can do. And it's like boom, got it done, yeah, and without that clarity we're still like a ship. We got a ship, we got a motor, but no rudder. Where are we going? I don't know. You know, you said the motor's just taking us, but that clarity provides this laser focus that then, man, watch out, because mountains are going to move.

Speaker 2: 40:03

Yeah, that's right, and you're right in the clarity and really, like you said, especially that piece like why do you want it, why do you value this? You know, and getting clear on that, and I would say that's the number one hardest question that I ask adults is what do you want? Or is fear of? But then what if it doesn't happen? And kind of like you alluded to, what are people going to think? And I even know with me, I dream big, like I dream big.

Speaker 2: 40:28

I've been able to make a lot of things happen, like I've had the experience. I want big things, but then I'm like, oh, but then they're going to think I'm you know what are they? And you have to learn to throw that out, because I think that's another thing about turning 50. And it's kind of been, you know, kind of growing up until that point but losing the care about what other people think about anything. You know this is because you go through your life and you could be a chameleon.

Speaker 2: 40:54

Well, this person wants me to be like this. They would prefer I have these qualities. Okay, let me pretend. And then you're around this group of people and this is really what they would prefer. Like you completely lose yourself, you know, and I think, going back to the spiritual roots, to physical, to physical illnesses, the ties there, the lack of identity is actually a big cause of physical illness. Lack in identity they don't know who they are, they don't know what they like, they don't know how they like to decorate their house, they don't know what they want to go in the future. They, you, don't have a voice. You know.

Speaker 1: 41:30

I find the many.

Speaker 1: 41:31

I find the many of people that are stuck in that and this isn't all, but what you alluded to, with people pleasing and then perfectionism and trying to. Well, if I got praise for this, then maybe next time, if I do it better, I'll get more if I do it better, and so it's like we're chasing this horizon. That will never get. You know it. And and then we realize wait, can I just stop and look at the horizon? Can I just stop and appreciate the beauty of the sunset and stop trying to chase the sun to where it doesn't go down like wow, this is really a beautiful life. This is pretty amazing.

Speaker 1: 42:07

What is right here all around me, and that awareness is? I mean, I think it all starts with awareness, which then leads us to making taking responsibility, decisions, empowered action, and I mean I've seen that in you, which has been so amazing and beautiful to just witness and see that happen. Thank you, any any final thoughts for people, anything that you would I mean we've touched on so many things right finding your identity, clarity, empowering it, you know, standing in your own strength. Going back to the spiritual, which we've touched on so many things, is there anything that you would just say that listen to this or take this into your heart and how does it sit with you?

Speaker 2: 42:55

Yeah, I think one of the big things that I want people to understand is that it doesn't matter what is going on with your body. You have to know that your body is always trying to move in the direction of wellness and balance and if it's not there, it's because you have things that are interfering. You know, and really getting well takes, you know. You've got to look in that bucket and figure out what's there. You have to do the deep investigative work. You've got to sort it out and then, one by one, you've got to start, you know, addressing these things. But Out there in the conventional world it's, it's a fear based system. You know there's not much hope. They are into disease management for life. We have a pharmacy on every corner in every city, you know and McDonald's right next to it.

Speaker 2: 43:44

No kidding right Sorry digress. Yeah yeah, and so I just wanted to know that there is hope. There is hope that your body is trying to work with you and you just need to work with it To get there, because I think once you lose hope, then it's I mean, everything just spirals from there. And so just to keep hoping that your body is really doing the best that it's can. It's trying to compensate right now it's not trying to hurt you or kill you, you know. It's trying to help you. It's your friends.

Speaker 1: 44:13

And yeah, and I love that, and it's so important to just remember that our bodies are a gift and there may be impairment, physical challenges, but yet there is. There's a gift in that and, as we find that which can take time or it can take, you know, it can be very quick, but not always it's just there's beauty in finding that gift and seeing, oh my God, oh my God, if I didn't have this, then I wouldn't be here, I wouldn't have had these amazing experiences, I wouldn't have had to be able to touch the people that you do now. So, thank you so much for being open, sharing like what you have. I think it's going to be, it is, it's going to be so powerful for people to listen back to this and to see, maybe in their own lives, right as they listen to you, like how in my own life am I experiencing that now and what gift has my body brought me? And I hope that as they listen to your story, they can see that in their own and then start to again dig a little bit more, look a little bit deeper and allow the silence, the stillness, god, divinity, to just work through them and let them see, right, right, there's gift and being silent and just letting that voice permeate through. So Thank you so much.

Speaker 1: 45:35

This has been awesome. I've so enjoyed this. And where can people? Where can people find you?

Speaker 2: 45:41

Yep, so Corrine Hazelden dot com. So C O R I N E H A S E L D E N dot com, or on Facebook, by pages you know open, you can really get a sense of who I am. I'm following me there, but, yeah, if you'd like to know more, there's information on my website where you can contact me. And yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 46:00

And you've alluded this to a few times that you are really seeking to work with women with pots.

Speaker 2: 46:07

Yeah, women with pots. That's right, that's my story, that's what I understand. And gosh, they need help, yeah, and I've asked massive success with them, which is amazing, yeah.

Speaker 1: 46:19

You're great lady to do it and provide a ton of power and love and light to others. So thank you for who you are and what you're doing.

Speaker 2: 46:27

Thank you so much Awesome.

Speaker 1: 46:29

Thanks for listening. Appreciate you all. Again, you can find us at Total Body Wellness Clinic Restore the Real Podcast and we'll see you next time. Thanks for joining me on this episode of Restore the Real Podcast. This show is supported and informed by not only my own deep personal work, but also the deep healing work that we offer our patients here at Total Body Wellness Clinic In the show in us. Below, you'll find all the links that you'll need to hop on a discovery call with our team for some one to one support, follow along on social media or even learn about some of our favorite recommendations and products. Until next time, keep it real.