Revealing the raw and relentless journey of a veteran fighter's ascension, our guest, Bruce Ambrowski, peels back the curtain on his life since our last bare-knuckle fight. From a five-year layoff to humbling himself and maintaining his relationship with BKFC, Bruce opens up about his struggles, his vision, and his drive. The pandemic may have changed the world of sports, but it hasn't dampened his spirit—and we delve into how it's affected him.
The road to success is peppered with tough choices, and Bruce knows this all too well. He lets us in on his weight cut strategy, the crucial decisions he makes for his family, and the importance of keeping one's personal life off social media. Surprising opponents on the ground, Bruce's fight strategy might be a slow burn, but it's certainly effective. Listen as we discuss the discrepancies between Tapology and Bruce's records, and his methodical approach to getting his fight career back on track.
Finally, we catch up with Bruce at Georgian Silly Sports and discuss his fight preparation, weight cut management, and the business side of fighting. Having a facility like Georgian Silly Sports for training proves invaluable for a fighter like Bruce. Bruce's journey is a testament to the spirit of combat sports. Join us and gain insights into his approach, his techniques, and what it truly means to be a fighter.
Revealing the raw and relentless journey of a veteran fighter's ascension, our guest, Bruce Ambrowski, peels back the curtain on his life since our last bare-knuckle fight. From a five-year layoff to humbling himself and maintaining his relationship with BKFC, Bruce opens up about his struggles, his vision, and his drive. The pandemic may have changed the world of sports, but it hasn't dampened his spirit—and we delve into how it's affected him.
The road to success is peppered with tough choices, and Bruce knows this all too well. He lets us in on his weight cut strategy, the crucial decisions he makes for his family, and the importance of keeping one's personal life off social media. Surprising opponents on the ground, Bruce's fight strategy might be a slow burn, but it's certainly effective. Listen as we discuss the discrepancies between Tapology and Bruce's records, and his methodical approach to getting his fight career back on track.
Finally, we catch up with Bruce at Georgian Silly Sports and discuss his fight preparation, weight cut management, and the business side of fighting. Having a facility like Georgian Silly Sports for training proves invaluable for a fighter like Bruce. Bruce's journey is a testament to the spirit of combat sports. Join us and gain insights into his approach, his techniques, and what it truly means to be a fighter.
Ladies and gentlemen, we are live and welcome to the Mr Redman's podcast. Today I have a special guest, one of my longtime training partners and one of my good friends since 2012-2013-ish. Ladies and gentlemen, let's welcome, bruce Ambrowski.
Speaker 2:Hey, hey, hey, 2012-13-ish. I feel like I've known you longer than that, but I guess we weren't friends in the beginning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like it was that guy. Yeah, I was that, that, this. How can I say it? I was that asshole of a guy. In the beginning I was gonna say it.
Speaker 2:but yeah, you, that arrogant guy fighting for Daniel Destruction, thinking you're, you're shit instinct, I mean you know I'm a three-time champion of Bob Greci-Boltz. Proud of me.
Speaker 1:No, I was just at a point at that point in time where I was just starting to, you know, get my name out there and you know, you know it's one of those things of I didn't really care about the area because I wasn't from here and then nobody really know me. So I was on that type of type of shit at that point in time, like I don't care about nobody except for myself. And you know, once I met several of you guys and you know, starting to hang out and, you know, train together and hang out outside of training and then fighting, going some of the same fight cards, you know, it got a whole lot easier for me because it helped me with humbling myself a little bit, just a tad. You feel I'm saying so. You know, at the end of the day, you know I'm thankful for meeting guys like you, antoine, you know, tyler, kyle and a bunch of others those are just the main guys, because those are the guys that I practically met first when I first came up onto the scene. And you know, like I said, I'm thankful for that.
Speaker 1:And look at us now it's 2023 and you know what we're here for today is to talk about a little bit about our journeys and what we just did last the weekend before last September 29th, we fought at the Salem Civic Center. Browne Neckle fight championships 51 finally came to our backyards and me, mr Red Rims and Bruce Lee and amongst a few other local guys like Rick Caruso and Kane Thomas and you know, got the finally show up and show out for for the home team. So first thing I want to ask you, bruce, what have you been up to since your last bare knuckle fight?
Speaker 2:a little bit of everything, I guess. So what I've been up to, I've been up to training. I've actively still trained since the last BKFC fight with you, on a regular basis. A lot of that was the, I feel like the big focus for this fight coming into. It is all I wanted to say. Man, you've had a five-year layover, you've taken off five years. After five years you're back. But the way I see it is, I never left, I just didn't compete at BKFC.
Speaker 1:Yeah and does everyone forget we had COVID? Yeah, like, like COVID, like I literally shut us down, like three years.
Speaker 2:I know COVID only shut us down for a year, but sports like sporting events, yeah, the events were they disappeared. Events for two a solid two, two and a half years, yeah, the.
Speaker 1:Benz were zero, basically zero to slim to none for a while. And I fought once, doing like when COVID was hard, like like at its highest. I fought once, and that was even a hassle, because even then, you know, when we got there, we straight had to put a mask on. We had to literally basically have a mask on 24-7, except for when, you know, of course, we were in our hotel rooms and stuff, and you know we even had to walk out with a mask and we had the option of either wearing the mask while fighting or not wearing the mask while fighting, which was weird and wild at the same point in time, and and at that time we had to wear a double mask walking out.
Speaker 1:So we had like two in 95 masks walking out, which was was crazy, and, and it being in Mississippi, they were super strict, like if you got out of your car somewhere you literally had to have your mask on, or Like there were literally people checking for those in Mississippi, like at gas stations, at restaurants Well, the very few restaurants that were open and you know, of course, we had to go to a place an hour away from where we were fighting at to Get COVID tests done before we could even fight, even though we had got COVID tests before we left the state of Virginia. We had to go get COVID tests while we were in Mississippi. So at that height of the time, that's when they were sticking that big ass Whatever you want to call it up your nose, and swabbing around and coming back in 25 minutes telling you Whether you were positive or negative.
Speaker 2:That's stupid. I wear a mask and let's go dry, hump each other and swap spit and sweat on each other.
Speaker 1:It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I won't forget about the. Covid was at least a solid two and a half years for events. So I guess I fought Kindle in August. Covid comes around that February. I had a couple of different opportunities but didn't saw. That's a couple months right there than two years. Then, yeah, I was supposed to fight for BKFC on two other occasions. I was actually contracted. We talked about several times but I had two physical contracts that were Signing in hand and opponents fell out last minute and I just anyone who knows me and talks to me personally about the fight game knows I refuse to take last-minute fights.
Speaker 1:I just, I will definitely know that for sure. You know I've had my fair share of taking In two or three last-minute fights in my time. But yeah, I've kind of, I've kind of grown to Tell myself to never do that again, because when you don't have ample time to prepare for something, that leaves you in the blind and it kind of Doesn't help you be prepared for, especially, like I say, my my shortest turnaround. If you're gonna hit me up last week last minute, at least give me three weeks. So within that three weeks I have some time like week of, or week and a half of, or two or three days of that.
Speaker 1:That's not cool to me anymore. No, dealing with. I've only did that one time as a professional and and it cost me because I had no time to prepare and no time to study my opponent, nope, no time to be able to tweak a few things to, to, to be prepared for him, even though I'm always in a gym six to seven times a week and you know training actively. It didn't help the fact that, hey, you, you're taking a fight three, four days notice and you got to prepare for a guy that you know was originally on the card already.
Speaker 2:You feel I'm saying I train for a specific person. That's part of my downfall and I guess um success is I train specifically for a person. So for me, in order for me to be emotionally, uh, in the right place, on fight day. I. There are certain checks and balances. I do where I train for a person and I have to poop on fight day. If neither, if I didn't poop fight day because I'm bloated from weight cut or what I put in my body or whatever the case is.
Speaker 2:And then on top of that, like I have another opponent messed up, I messed up, they ain't gonna happen. I'm gonna just give me a loss. My amateur losses always happen from either end or not pooping or Switching up the opponent at weigh-ins, which is very common for all men's.
Speaker 1:We had a lot of that as amateurs, especially fighting.
Speaker 1:I hate to even give this guy some cloud on on my podcast. But you know, fighting for danville, danville destruction. You know we always had those same day weigh-ins that we had to fight. Oh my god, that that would suck. I'm so glad that you know Everything has Evolutionized and we do not have to do same day weigh-ins because that used to suck, especially when I had to start Cutting weight again for the first time after years and years Of not doing anything and then starting to cut weight and cutting weight and weighing in on on literally fight day and then all of a sudden you have to fight three hours later. That was.
Speaker 2:Horrible. But back to your main question. Yeah, I mean, I've still been training. I heavily involved with hockey, hockey community. You know I haven't had a few hockey stores, soul hockey, lacrosse equipment Involved with a couple of college hockey programs and a local program and some just helping the kids, and it was.
Speaker 2:It was rewarding, it was fun, it's rewarding. I got back to hockey, this boy I grew up playing and loving and it was nice to had a break from it for a little while. It's nice to get get back involved with it and that's pretty much how I stayed busy during coveted and not and not fighting. And then Just evolution of the hockey stores and the training. Finally did my dream of opening a combat sports facility. But I've always wanted to own a gym, just never wanted to invest strictly into a combat sports facility. And being involved with the hockey program Justified that for me because I was more involved with team sports and not just combat sports, which is ironically where I've kind of transitioned anyway to where I'm more combat sports oriented anyway. But here I am, um pushing and running the gym business.
Speaker 2:But, also trying to stay in shape and and compete, which I'm only doing to push the gym business.
Speaker 1:Facts and me knowing you personally. Even though you had a five-year layoff from fighting, I know that you've still been training and you see me doing, doing stuff here and there, and you know, like I said, I know you personally, so of course we would. We would talk and, you know, have conversations and you know from us you used to doing A podcast together, the bnb show. A lot of people remember the bnb show on monday nights between 8 and 10 o'clock.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to tell you starting time because we were never on time because of our training schedules at that point in time and then and we would chat before- your hand and yeah, one thing led to another and then us going on our I'm not gonna say the same journey, but our paths, you know, kind of went different.
Speaker 2:You run parallel. I think they just run parallel with each other.
Speaker 1:Yeah things got a little different because, you know, after you got your first fight for BKFC and them starting to show me interest, and you know like I'll say this right here on this show I'm one person that you know and everybody else knows. I'm not going to take away from somebody else's shine when it's their time, especially if I'm helping out and being a team player a good teammate like you should always be I'm not going to steal someone else's spotlight and I didn't want nothing handed to me. So that's one reason why when tryouts came around, I was like, hey, bruce, I'm going to tryouts. You know I don't want nothing to be handed to me because you know, just like I know, when we were there, you know they offered me a fight and, like I told them, I just followed a dude who fought in Bellator three weeks before, so it wasn't my time to fight and you know how the camera people were when we got there, they thought I was fighting instead of you and then I was like, no, I'm not fighting, he's fighting. And, like I said, I'm not going to take somebody else's shine. I sit back, wait my time and, you know, do what I have to do to prepare for something you know shout out to Barron Uncle FC, you know, for I've been with you guys since 2019. You know, I went to my Philly Trials in the middle of 2019 and I got my first fight with BKFC at the end of 2019 and then, boom, covid smacked us in a phase and, you know, set us back a little bit and you know it's 2023. We're both still here.
Speaker 1:You took a layoff, I've been here actively and you know us getting back together after your layoff and starting to train together and also we did a slight B&B show premiere before everything got settled down with and talked about and us actually being actively training partners again.
Speaker 1:You know it brought back a different type of animal, not only in myself, but you know I've seen the compassion and the grit that you still you had five years ago when at before you took your layoff. And you know I use one of your famous quotes till this day If it doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense. And, like I said, we've been actively training back together and you know it helped me this fight camp that we just got out of for our fights and your fight camp, to be quite honest, and you know there was a lot of improvements and I feel listening to this run oak area and surrounding areas, when you link back up with old training partners, it's like the day you left, it's like riding a bike. It comes back that much easier and y'all are back in tune with each other. Even though Bruce had a five year layoff, we came back strong and it was like like we never left and it was from.
Speaker 2:DKFC because I fought in the last five years. I think that's something that a lot of people maybe didn't catch, but that's because I'm less. My Facebook presence just isn't there as much.
Speaker 1:And you're the type of person just like me, even though I'm slightly heavy on social media. Now you know you're just like me. You try to keep your private life off of social media also.
Speaker 2:Correct yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's the best way to be, to be quite honest, because when you live a certain type of lifestyle, you don't always have to have, you know, put your personal shit out there, like family, business and shit was going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 2:I have plenty of other people have no problem just throwing crap out there all the time. I don't need to necessarily go on there and post every like, even on Instagram, yeah, I see, other than stuff that I'm tagged in. Yeah, just for shits and giggles, I'm going to go. I'm going to actually look right now. There was a last thing I physically posted. It was for the fight, getting ready for this fight.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:September 17 was the last thing I posted, and then prior to that was August 1. Yeah, I mean tell them super active on social media. To go August 1 to the 17th. I'm getting ready for a big national combat sporting event. And then Facebook, the more. I don't hardly use Facebook at all actually.
Speaker 1:Facebook is because it's auto tagged from Instagram. Yeah, that's the beauty of it. Sometimes you have to keep your personal life off social media and then use social media for your fight. Shit, that's what I do and you know. You know to pick up my sponsors, shout out to all my sponsors, you know. Thank you guys for coming through this last fight.
Speaker 1:Several, several of you came to the fights and, you know, not only supported me but supported, you know, bruce and the other local fighters that were on the card and it was great to actually see the love, the support and the compassion that this area hasn't seen in what since basically 2019, when you held your last EWC event and you know being at the Salem Civic Center, that in itself was not only monumental but it was big because I felt like and I still feel like that people wanted us to fail, because you know it was in our backyard and you know not a lot Like you were. We were talking off off mic earlier when we had a visitor. People don't really condone too much into combat sports as they would to little Jimmy doing backflips on the trampoline in the in the backyard and then doing backyard wrestling. They support that a little bit more than they do somebody Right.
Speaker 1:Throwing bare knuckle fist in a controlled environment. Legally, you feel what I'm saying. But then you know you have some people who do it in backyards and empty warehouses and stuff like that. I'm not knocking the next man's hustle. You got to get it by any means necessary. But you know the support was real. The support was fucking real at the Salem Civic Center and you know that further proved to me that this area does in some shape, form or fashion. You know, support us local fighters like myself, you, cain Tomason and Rick Caruso, who's from West Virginia. He had a big crowd come down and you know we all showed up and showed out and you know, to be quite honest, this is one of the loudest BKFC events that I've been a part of and also watched, even though they had a Denver card the week before. That was pretty loud. That was awesome. But I feel like us being in the Salem Civic Center. That was crazy.
Speaker 1:And you know, when you walked out while I was getting stitched up because you know I got to cut under my eye, man, the crowd love was real. Man, like I'm sitting back here, you know, throwing my hands up and stuff while you're walking out, while I'm getting stitches in the doctor, you know, back there telling me to chill. I was like my trainer partner's about to walk out, relax a little bit and I was like no, I got to be rowdy man because you know, you know I'm supposed to be out there walking them out right now, but y'all made me come back here to do my through my tests and stitch me up a little bit and like I said, man, that being back there in that locker room getting stitched up, man, when you walked out, it had me. It had me like, like, felt like I was rewalking out again and it was loud. And you know I'm proud of all of us. A lot of things didn't go all of our ways but at the end of the day the support was real and I loved every bit of it.
Speaker 1:Man, and you know I know some BKFC people will listen to this. I can't wait for it to come back and maybe be in a different venue, but even if it's at the Salem Civic Center, I wouldn't be mad at that either. So you know that's that's going to be its own entity in itself and it's going to be great and I think we get a bigger crowd next time that it comes here because we showed, you know, this city what they haven't got to see in a very long time, since 2019, what we can do. And we all I mean we all trained our asses all for these fights, whether it was together or individually, and you know, you got a what? 43 second knockout, congratulations. I told you that last Monday, anyways, when we did our, you know, we, we, our post fight celebration even though our recap, our event recap.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've been doing that for for years now, like if we're fighting together, even if you fight or I fight.
Speaker 2:That picture just showed up on my on my memories on Facebook where, when we did it from Biloxi, we got together and he had Biloxi and we were at B dubs and I took a selfie and it's how crazy it was that I have a selfie from us eating the same night at Montanos, and I'm still to your right, as always. I'm right.
Speaker 1:You're always on the left, yes, sir.
Speaker 2:I was clean shaving back then too, so it's like the first time I shave in like years. It just so happens to be post fight. That's usually what happens.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, those post fight conversations are always the best too, because you know we always talk about the nitty, the gritty, the good and the bad and honestly, man, this time it felt like it was the same, even though you know it's been a five year layoff. It we picked right back up where we left off. But sure, we've had 10,000 conversations in between then, in our group chats or personally, face to face or in each of our gyms. You know, either coming to visit or stopping through, and plus, you know we're both big car enthusiasts, so you know that always works well. That's, that's one reason why I think we, me and you are so, so close because we share some of the same interests. And you know, fighting in cars and you know us having beards when we used to be baby, faced as hell when we first started. It's something we have in common and you know, like I was telling you before, you know I want to thank you guys for, you know, being a part of my journey and it's been a blessing for all of us to be a part of each other's journeys, even though we've all taken different paths. You feel I'm saying and quick break for a second.
Speaker 1:This episode is brought to you by booked up energy drinks. There are a sponsor of the BKFC and you know they blessed us with some good energy drinks and some good stuff. And also we're brought to you by lines, not sheep. You know they hooked us up, got good care packages for our flights. So make sure you guys checked out booked up energy and lines, not sheep, apparel, thank you so. So one thing I want to ask you, bruce. I know we talked about this privately in our post fight meal last week and post fight good drink last week that we got at Montana. So shout out to Montanos how are you feeling after your fight? Like, how do you feel after cutting your weight, having a good fight, being not active for a week and enjoying life with family and friends for a solid week as we head into a, you know, the second week after the fight, how are you feeling? I?
Speaker 2:feel bloated. My stomach has been like in like baby birthing mode for a solid eight, nine days now, I guess just from the weight cut and yeah, I feel good, I don't have any time off. I'm not hurt. So I was in the gym Monday.
Speaker 1:I took off.
Speaker 2:Saturday, sunday. I was in the gym Monday, tuesday. I was off Wednesday, did Thursday, friday, saturday.
Speaker 1:How was?
Speaker 2:your day. I had a hard workout, marla, this morning. It was so I feel good I'm going to try and stay in camp only because and get a quick turnaround.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah it wasn't hurt.
Speaker 2:Good, I have two fight opportunities. One pro in May in South Carolina with Joshua Oxidine.
Speaker 1:I think I've seen a poster of that earlier.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't sign a contract yet, so I don't know why I didn't sign it. Yeah, that's, it is what it is.
Speaker 1:I understand.
Speaker 2:I've been promoting game before. I got my contract last night. Didn't sign it because I also have an opportunity in Tennessee the exact same night.
Speaker 1:That would be a six round boxing fight.
Speaker 2:So Johnson City, tennessee, six round boxing South Carolina.
Speaker 1:three rounds pro in May hey whatever, whatever makes sense and what's best for not only you but your family also is always. That's one thing I've learned from you and people like Nate Schuch and other veterans that have been in the game for a long time that know a lot of stuff. You know you got to make the best situation for yourself and your family possible. You feel I'm saying so that's right.
Speaker 2:And South Carolina, I mean I wouldn't mind doing MMA fight. I've actually never had a pro in May fight the two are supposed to have in the past in the last five years. Both fell out. I mean, you remember I got a Spartacus, I got hung out at getting my hands wrapped.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was supposed to be when we were at Spartacus. That was supposed to be your pro debut.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember that guy's name right now Jack dude in the military.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he showed up to Wayans and everything, jack, he aborted.
Speaker 2:He aborted fight day. He went home, checked out the hotel room and everything. Man I can't think of his name. I don't know why I'm having a brain fart right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he was one of the Spartacus guys, though he was like they're a little golden boy.
Speaker 1:I ended up leaving me hanging and then man, that's crazy because I not to talk about myself, but that's crazy because I was there your MMA, professional MMA debut, which your opponent backed out. I was there for your professional boxing debut. I was in your corner. I was there for your bare knuckle debut. I was in your corner, and if you do take an MMA fight, hopefully I'm there too. Well, I am going to be there to show you some support, and you know we've been around each other for a long time.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. Yeah, that MMA fight would be a good fight for me as well. I like it.
Speaker 1:Hopefully I can maybe get on the same fight card. He's an amateur.
Speaker 2:He's their local amateur stud. I believe he's there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've seen that on the poster earlier.
Speaker 2:Yeah he's um, you know he don't go to like getting hit. I'm a different, I'm not Getting you getting hit feels you'll, feels you a little bit.
Speaker 1:I noticed that in Not only your kindle grow fight at BKSC to that's how long we've been around that once he hit you it, it amps you up and I think I think. I think it messed him up a little bit when you got like Like after he hits you, you're like let's go yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm a slow starter. That's my problem. I'm a slow. Yeah, anyone who knows me, If all my losses come early in the first round, if I'm gonna lose, I'm losing early in the first round. So my, I'm a very slow starter. I know that about myself. If my chances of winning a fight across any combat sport is if I get out of the first round, it's just a little higher.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's substantially higher if I got the first round, most my losses in the first round and this guy that they want put me he's a, I guess, all-american collegiate wrestler.
Speaker 1:Oh, we got, we got something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he loves he loves all the let me. Let me rush in and take you down and own you on the ground, and you know I'm no schlepp on the ground.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm not sure that at all. That don't roll with me.
Speaker 2:They don't know that but I actually they're really enjoy the clinch and I'm those schlepp on my back, so I Rather stand and bang and, you know, strike. So I feel like this is a really good fight for me, because he's gonna want to put it to where I'm actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's not gonna want to stand, not gonna want stand, I'm not gonna want to stand with you and he's gonna think that hey, this guy's been fighting Baron uncle, and doing boxing and I'm not gonna be shit on the ground and when he gets you on the ground. In my opinion, I don't care who you go with on the ground, you're going to surprise them because you're actually I'm much higher level and stronger than people give me credit.
Speaker 2:Yeah and they don't know that till they're in the moment. Yeah, facts and me heard that so many times, me being.
Speaker 1:Around you for so many years. I'm a person. To attest to that, you know I'm, I've been a all-american wrestler.
Speaker 1:All state, all American, all City, all district, all region, all that bullshit and wrestling college punch in the face in the ground facts, and you know I'm a little bit higher Level than you and you get to you still give me a fucking problem, like that ass, till this day, even though we walk around about the same weight sometimes and even if I'm bigger than you or smaller than you, you still give me a problem because sometimes You'll take my falls and use that at. Yeah, you're not the doctor's hail, and, and me being the same way, it messes me up when somebody else is Unorthodox as hell, just like me. I'm unorthodox.
Speaker 2:I'm heavy Slick, I guess for lack of other words. But yeah, I know, I already know, I already have his number.
Speaker 1:He's one of those guys and, not to sound arrogant, cocky, but he's just not those guys that you know I'm not gonna. He's not gonna sound arrogant, cocky.
Speaker 2:He's relying his wrestling ability to get in. He's afraid, and this is why I say that Anyone who just wants to rely on a wrestling ability just to get a takedown sit on top and ground pound you is because they don't want to Stand back he's afraid of that exchange and he wants to just put himself in a Dominant position right away and try to hammer one home feel attacked.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's a little tech, it is, I mean hey, I hide behind my jab, so I know I can play the same game against myself. That's why I'm meaning it from an arrogant perspective.
Speaker 1:I mean you have to be arrogant about that.
Speaker 2:I mean it from an experienced perspective because me when you see me throw a lot of jebs, heavy-volume jebs, it's because I'm afraid. I'm afraid to engage, let the right go. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna stay and hide behind a very active jab. So it's just being very honest about the fight game. Now I have that opportunity, which I really like but never mean if I really does nothing for my career at this point. But you know what does? That's man, I feel too like.
Speaker 1:I want to do an MMA fight to Test out all my tools all over again. Use all my weapons, but at the same point in time I've been doing bare knuckle and boxing for so long now. Mma and all the bullshit that comes with MMA has no interest to me that much anymore someone asked me after, after the fights last week, do you plan on going to the UFC?
Speaker 1:And I was like no, the UFC does One does nothing for me now and to that, that is not my goal. To make it to the UFC, that's everybody's dream is to make it to the you see, because that's what they're right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what they. Everybody wants to do is go to the UFC. That's not my goal. My goal is to Be where I'm at with BKFC and also climbing the ranks and doing better with BKFC and Inboxing and those opportunities alone have given me, and gave me, way bigger opportunities to work with different brands and celebrities and stuff to broaden my horizons. And I'm not gonna leave that anytime soon because MMA I don't think would have done that for me. It doesn't my career either, like that.
Speaker 2:So going down to South Carolina, getting a dub, getting a win in the win Confront on my MMA records? We need to look up on my professional dashboard. Want, want, want, want. This sounds good, but what does it do for me Moving forward? So that's now. Let's talk about some of the strategy on the business side. A boxing win, mm-hmm. Exact opposite. A win in the box, in the boxing column, does wonders for my BKFC career, which is what's paying me right now.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir so when an MMA column does nothing for me. For me, not to mention the numbers, the the boxing fight, I'd be earning eight times more money than I am for the MMA fight. Thanks, a win in the boxing column helps my rankings and standings on the BKFC side. So just all the positives, all the all the smart money says stay with boxing now Because I don't have a win in Pro MMA. I don't have any fights in Pro MMA. Also is why I want this fight.
Speaker 2:Yeah so, for selfish reasons, I want it and I also. There's something to be said. I have a history of going out of state and getting wins from local, local helm boys. So I didn't Tennessee, I've done it in Kentucky, I've done it with Carolina.
Speaker 1:I feel like I'll do it in. South Carolina and I'm kind of going. You hear a pin drop in that place.
Speaker 2:You know I always like the audio on the commentary. For those you know I'm well, I'm sure to say I'm some older guy coming down and, having had an MMA fight in five, six years, I'm sure it's all gonna definitely use your age. Yeah, they're gonna say this is a young kid. We cleaned up wins undefeated. Wow and then it's gonna be dead silence when I get the TKO finish or submission finish and then the second they raise your hand.
Speaker 1:That's when the crowd's gonna go fucking wild.
Speaker 2:Dance how many this endless night. I love how our Tapology and many records are so scarce. I I always like to be able to say six and six. Amateur MMA. It doesn't even bother me because amateur record doesn't matter. Yeah, I have like 25 amateur fights and they always come up with a six, because that's all. I guess we were in a wild west of Virginia, tennessee when they a lot of our fights were sanctioned.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't care the other day, but I am. I am really interested in this 11 If I can get this work down the next day or so, so I know what I'm doing. I would really rather fight in Tennessee in a six-round boxing fight. I can't get that ironed out by close to business from Wednesday. You know it's Monday, so two days then I'll sign the contract. I'll go fight for Oxidine and it's an MMA fight and you have to come down corner me.
Speaker 1:So if I buy one fight, when it when is the fight card?
Speaker 2:again? It's on the 10th November 10th.
Speaker 1:November 10th. I might try to get on that fight card. To be quite on.
Speaker 2:I mean he's looking for guys Honestly. So he's actually looking for more guys, but I'm just looking for a quick turn around, some health, I'm in shape and I want to keep the momentum, because I already spoke to Nate at BKFC and, yeah, they'll have something for me by the new year. Hell, yeah, that's not a sharp.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's, that's one thing I was telling, telling you in the group chat too. I think maybe December in you, utah, I'll fight for BKFC if they want me to, but other than that you know.
Speaker 2:You find it.
Speaker 1:I wonder if I'm looking looking at other other things to do to keep me busy, whether it's boxing, or maybe even take an MMA fight, to be quite honest, or kickbox and fight now that I have a healthy leg.
Speaker 2:But I'm really upset with the whole kickboxing thing right now. I've been fighting the DPR about my so I have two kickboxing wins in the last couple years. I aren't even on my record, but there's supposed to be a pro kickbox database. Yeah, so Scott was helping me with that a kujo for the non-Scott fans, I guess. I don't know him personally, but he was helping me get the ironed out. But yeah, on my box rack there should be a kickbox pro section and I don't even have one. So I have a promoter, all the events I promoted, which even that isn't even the ones that I fought.
Speaker 2:On that, yeah, I'm in the same boat those are supposed those wins and losses should be documented, and there and not there, which is very frustrating because I pay a lot of money to DPR when I hold these events.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and one of them was on my own event, one was on another or two to record the so well, topology doesn't care about kickboxing boxing, they'll be the first to tell.
Speaker 2:You actually emailed them recently because they they have things wrong. So I've been trying to Correct errors and make it more accurate. Yeah, they outright told me if it's not MMA, that's not a priority. Yeah, I said well, your misreporting fights, you know you have some fights on here that a lot I'm.
Speaker 1:They have a fight on there, so lots I actually won so they have that on my on my amateur one of my amateur fights Also and I was like wow.
Speaker 2:I said what you're also outright missing Pro wins, which is what you guys brag about being accurate with you know, here's my boxed wreck, here's this, and they say, well, it's not a priority, so it wasn't. Mma.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or though list you in eligible for MMA rankings since you've been inactive, but it still shows on your record that you've been been active.
Speaker 2:Like I still don't, don't understand why they're never they want to identify as an MMA reporting site, which is fine, but then at least can we make and it's hard, can you make the MMA record at least accurate. But then I don't want to be petty too and have them correct MMA bout From 2015 1617, 18 and 19 either. So I can care less because at the end of the day they are amateur fights and when someone looks me up I rather they think I'm six and six amateur MMA and then take a fight with me as a pro, Then think that I'm like 27, you know.
Speaker 2:So really it works out my favor. It facts and you know my height on there said 511 for the longest time until you're like. Instead I was 511 for years until the Kindle bro fight. And then that's when they updated to like six, three years on. Like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but the what I don't understand about topology also is they'll put their knuckle fights on there and may fights and spontaneously put Boxing fights on there, but that they still consider you inactive like I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't my hair and it was fights on there. Yeah, you know any of my title wins. I had three amateur titles. None of them are on there, not single one, the only one that's even on there. I also have several amateur title losses, but the only one on there is my loss to Matthew Messer, that's it. Wow. So that's weird. They don't even have like the Shout out to shout out to Matthew Messer. You're an animal.
Speaker 1:We both fought him and he's definitely a Game opponent. So, shout out to Matthew Messer and I will admit this, I got some good, some give back from you for you from from those days when we did our 10,000 kickboxing matches that we have. I would love a Maxwell versus Messer three matchup if that could happen one of these days. So, matthew Messer, if you listen, this, I'm definitely going to tag you in this on on social media. I'd love to do that. Or, if you want to come to bare knuckle, I'm down for that too. But, yeah, shout out to Matthew Messer, one one of the good guys out of North Carolina.
Speaker 1:You know he's experienced guy, good guy and you know, closing up, I'm glad we finally got to have a conversation on on the podcast Mr Redman's podcast and you know talk about some things, whether it was fight stuff or a little bit of personal stuff that you know we've been through and and our friendship.
Speaker 1:And you know I'm glad I finally got to catch up with you and do a podcast with you, because it's been a while since we done a podcast together and you know I look forward to, you know, keeping everyone updated on fights. I took a Four-week hiatus from doing any podcast because I really stepped it up until training for this fight on September 29th. So I, now that I'm free and not in fight camp, I'm gonna step my podcast game up a little bit. So you know, I wanted my first podcast back to be with a real good friend and Also someone that you know, even though he's been on a five-year hiatus, has supported me and through my journey and been one of my closest friends, whether the whether it was good or bad situation or was us talking shit to each other in a group chat, and you know being angry and shit like that and getting overwhelmed during fight camp.
Speaker 1:And you know, next I should have Either Wednesday or Thursday. I should have the beast himself, kane, the Beast Thomas and on or One of those other guys, maybe Kane junior or Zion, cuz Zion has a fight coming up also. But you know, this is the mr Red rims podcast. Thank you, bruce for coming through. Well, actually we're at Georgian silly sports. So if you're in Salem, come holler at your boy, bruce, for these personal classes, and you know there's a good, a good facility here, so it's one of the best places around. So make sure y'all come check that, check that out. Once again, thank you, bruce for for coming through. This is the mr Red rims podcast over and out, thank you.