HR Operations Supervisor not a chosen career but an exciting one

From the film and animation industry, our first guest is Tien, an HR Operations Supervisor - but HR wasn’t her chosen career! 
Join us to hear how she started her career and tips for joining the HR profession.

This is our inaugural podcast, we are excited to host you on this journey as we spotlight inspiring success stories, dispel myths surrounding certain professions, and provide guidance to those seeking career advice or simply curious about different lines of work. Let’s dive in!

Transcript

00:00.31
roxyprophet
Recording of course that we got there hello Tien welcome to our podcast. It's brilliant. You're our first guest which is amazing. You can help us with all the different things.

00:01.64
Tien
Yeah.

00:03.26
Nate
Double.

00:07.29
Tien
Hi. Thank you so much for having me.

00:14.71
Tien
That's so exciting.

00:17.15
roxyprophet
Hopefully in about a hundred episodes time we can bring you back and see what you're up to where you've developed in your career. Yes, yeah, that's the goal right.

00:20.81
Tien
Um, yeah, yeah, love that? Yeah after Chris Hemsworth though um

00:30.79
roxyprophet
Um, so I will kick yeah kick us off because we've done a lovely intro for you about your hr ah career as well. Um, so I'll just start by asking our first question of what do you do for a living.

00:40.41
Tien
Yeah, so I work in human resources based in Sydney and that's for an animation and visual effects studio my current job title is hr supervisor and that's within the hr operations team and I currently lead a team of 2 with. Ah, third on the way. Hopefully soon once I backfill and the role consists of overseeing the operational hate trial function while delivering best practice hate child services and I guess that can kind of look like making sure the hr components from the onboarding process through to the exiting processes. Ah, smooth for both the employees and the business.

01:21.63
roxyprophet
It's a lot to juggle.

01:22.12
Nate
Um, and you've spoken about operations. You've given us a broad overview but what? what do you do day to day. What do you actually do each each morning in the office. How does how do things kick off and and how does your day end.

01:36.57
Tien
Yeah, it's a lot so in h I think the the great thing is that there's so much variety. You never know what you're going to get in the day one week or in a month but so maybe I can draw down on what I actually did um my day was like yesterday. For instance. So 9 am nice and early I had an interview for a role that I'm back filling in my team and they were a great candidate that we had a good chat with them and then afterwards I stayed on with the recruiter and the hr manager just to talk about next steps and how we want to proceed with that candidate. While also um, the recruitment team providing us a ah bit of ah a review on some of the recent applicants as well just to sort of give an update on where that's at um, then following that in the morning. Um it was payroll day payroll deadline cutoff day which is always really fun and frantic.

02:26.37
roxyprophet
Or.

02:28.26
Tien
Um, so making sure that some of the changes to employees contracts and compensations have been updated correctly and are in the system right before the cut-off date just to make sure payroll can run their processes and send it off. So the staff can get paid. But the end of that week um so we're doing a lot of checking. We're partnering closely with our payroll just to ensure that all runs smoothly and it's really important to get right? Um, then after that frantic frazzle had a quick chat with a department manager about 1 of her team members. Um, they're thinking about transferring them to another studio location which is really exciting. So I just provided some guidance and insights into what that process looks like and and some considerations that she needed to think of in terms of the entitlements and the the. Work permit and the flight considerations to that as well. Ah so a lot has happened. This is only 11 a m so how to take take another coffee break just to have a bit of a circuit breaker. Yeah um, yeah, went and said hello to.

03:33.71
Nate
He will not.

03:41.20
Tien
My colleague over in recruitment just to recalibrate get ah get recharged. Um, and once I had some coffee in me I went and reviewed some contracts for my team and that they've drafted so it's always but good to have a second pair of eyes on those things before they get issued to new hires. Um, then after that ah I had a touch point with my manager. Ah, just about an upcoming annual performance review for someone in the team. So ah, just working through some of the areas of improvements or performance achievements that we wanted to highlight. And just to come prepared before we have that meeting with that team member. So that was ah, really insightful just to kind of touch base with her and bounce ideas and get on the same page about how we can help that employee improve and grow. Um and then at this point I think it's mid-afternoon.

04:38.36
Tien
So having to spend some time to craft an email to 1 of our immigration lawyers about a particular case that we were working with working on I should say and just understanding the options and getting some advice from them before we share that with the employee and the manager. Um, and then. Um, lovely four thirty impromptu chat with an employee who wanted to really was really concerned about his visa. So yeah, just kind of taking that time out of the day to jump on a call with him just to address his concerns but it ended up being an easy fix. It was definitely just one of those. Um.

05:05.97
Nate
Um, yeah.

05:18.30
Tien
Misread the the expiry date so you know thankfully we could address his concern quite quickly. I love a quick win and last thing I did. The day was have a quick 1 on one chat with one of my team members just to kind of touch base and see how they're going throughout the day they had some questions for me so was there to sort of support them as well and I guess working in a kind of hybrid environment I was in the office she was working from home. It kind of made things a little bit. Um, you know you can kind of make things a little bit gyring for some people but I guess having that virtual platform to do all of that stuff is is quite handy and useful just to be able to quickly. Yeah, provide support. Um both ways and that was my day.

06:03.55
Nate
So page of the box.

06:06.50
Tien
Ah, lot of things lot of people but love processes.

06:12.11
Nate
There's the delay I'm just going to say in one day you managed to do recruitment payroll immigration ah performance review preparation employee employee queries.

06:27.00
roxyprophet
And Visa support.

06:28.96
Nate
That's ah, that's ah, that's a good mixed battle.

06:32.89
Tien
I and genuinely that was my day I wasn't making things ah then like yes I picked a good day to record and share what I do in a day. Yeah, it's a lot. It's very yeah, it's a lot of variety and I love that.

06:49.30
roxyprophet
I Miss being part of your coffee break for sure. No, it's good. It's it's almost like the whole lifecycle as well. You know you're going from trying to hire. Ah an employee all the way to the support of your own employees as well and taking that time in it.

06:51.32
Tien
Ah, yeah, yeah.

07:04.61
Tien
Um, a home.

07:06.52
roxyprophet
And a hybrid environment which a lot of people are dealing with at the moment as well of that in in the studio in the office working from home and dealing with that communication in such an important department as well as a trial where communication is just so important.

07:22.64
Tien
Yeah, real is yeah, it's always better to keep things collaborative and just share. Um, yeah, just keeping in touch as much as we can because you can often get fallen off.

07:24.90
roxyprophet
No yes.

07:30.61
roxyprophet
Yeah, and I think in an industry like yours for visual effects that you are so right in that your job is so different every day It's different for a lot of Hr professionals but it does get pulled by a lot of things like projects that you're working on and deadlines so those so that payroll process.

07:45.28
Tien
Move.

07:49.79
roxyprophet
Could at 1 point just be a massive thing because of the amount of employees that go through it as well. So it's awesome. Yeah, no, it's interesting though. Um, so our next question is how did you.

07:56.52
Tien
Um, yeah, not for the fainthearted sometimes.

08:08.31
roxyprophet
Get started in your profession and what was your journey.

08:12.68
Tien
Yeah, so I started in administration in a completely different industry the nursing and healthcare industry. In fact, where I met Nathan who was the hr manager at the time. Um, and yeah I was fortunate enough to work closely with him and the hate Char team. Um, even though I was in an admin role I felt like I was very much very worked very very closely with the har department and I guess from there I gained a lot of valuable exposure and insights into how hr actually worked because it actually wasn't even on my radar as a career path. Yeah so. Um, I really enjoyed learning the different aspects I eventually um you know landed a role as a hr and recruitment officer which involved a lot of recruitment selecting interviewing um and even running inductions every now and again as well and I was in that role for about 2 years ah before I decided to make a change and move on to where I am now. Um just because that ah the original role wasn't in a company that aligned with my values and where I'm at now is a better alignment and a better workplace culture. Ah. And yeah, I've been in my current role for about well I've been in my current organization for about four and a half years and in total my hr kind of career is about six and a half years in total.

09:40.16
roxyprophet
It's funny I think in h r I've only met probably about 1 or 2 people that really aimed for it. You know, straight after Uni and even then it was because someone in their in their family in their life did it and they you know, encouraged them. Um.

09:50.70
Tien
Oh.

09:55.74
roxyprophet
It's funny. This isn't on the question you don't have to answer it. But you know what did you think you would do before you landed that job. You know is there like wait when you were 5 and they said what do you want to do for a living.

09:59.30
Tien
Um, woman.

10:04.10
Tien
Yeah, um, yeah I Oh my God a whole bunch of different things when I was young in primary school I wanted to be an artist. Um. Ah, then I think in like high school I Want to be a fashion buyer and I guess when I took on subjects in school I Always knew I had good I always did well in business or business related Topics. So I knew I had good business Acumen. So when I did go to University I. Studied business but actually in it. Um, yeah, and when I fell into the Hr role.. That's when I pivoted and really focused on that to kind of build. Um you know, grow and learn and build my career in Hr further alongside while working in it already.

10:55.40
roxyprophet
And it's It's really interesting. A lot of people don't ever. You know they find a role that they enjoy and then start moving down that little branch same thing happened to me I was never you know, supposed to be on a film shirt shouting at somebody. Um, so.

10:55.41
Tien
Yeah.

11:01.45
Tien
The head.

11:09.26
Tien
Um.

11:11.17
roxyprophet
You know it's It's really interesting. Um, you know I Just remember my little brother wanting to be an archaeologist and now he's a astrophysicist so it's so different here. Yeah.

11:18.90
Tien
Oh yes, still within the sciences. Yeah.

11:25.56
Nate
So before we jump to the next question I Just want to quickly acknowledge you you mentioned something in that that I think is quite important particularly for this podcast because you mentioned values and changing a job based on values and I think we're going to find a lot of people that sort of stuck in that boat.

11:39.30
Tien
You have.

11:44.17
Nate
You're in Ah, you're in an environment or in a team where your values don't Align. So I think it's important to to really take the time as part of your assessment for any career change to really look at what values to you are the non-negotiables Obviously I won't ask what it was but obviously something's happened. Where it's hit your non-negotiable and that's been a real driver for change. So That's ah, a really valid valid way of looking about your career career direction. It sounds like you had a bit of a roundabout journey to land into hay into the H R Space. So.

12:11.30
Tien
Um, believe yeah.

12:18.42
Tien
Um, will.

12:20.98
Nate
If you were to do it over again. What would be an easier path. How would you? what's an easier way to get where you are now. Do you think.

12:25.29
Tien
Yeah I mean you could think of it. It linear from a linear perspective where you go to school you study it in University do a business or commerce degree with a H R M focus and.

12:45.10
Tien
Some internships traineeships and land your first graduate role just to get your foot in the door because you've got that education and um, the yeah the education to back you Up. So I guess that you could you know just from a point a B to say. Um, perspective you can see it that way as as an easy path. But I think for people that I know and people like myself. Um, who just fall into H R Um I started an admin and that's quite the advantage I guess because um, you get to See. Ah work with different departments and that kind of gives you a taster of different areas of the business. Um, so you know for instance, when I worked in admin got exposure to finance. Um Hr business development sales and it. So yeah, it's kind of a good starting point working in admin and working. Branching off from those areas because you ah can networking with the people that are working in those areas. Um, but like I said um, initially a hey child wasn't on the path for me. So Um I started it and then I switched to marketing along the way to weird. Um, obviously didn't have a clear direction of where I wanted to go. But yeah once I got a taster of hatre and how that functions that was my calling. Um I knew that was for me and yeah, then I eventually switched majors like I said and built my career from that alongside and I thought that was really cool.

14:16.73
Tien
Um, being able to learn that and I guess take on those learnings of theories assignments and really apply it in a practical sense while I was working so that was yeah I've been lucky to have been afforded those opportunities where I Guess. Before I graduated I was still afforded some roles and was able to still grow and develop my career without the qualification being a hindrance to my growth. Um, and yeah, um I guess back to your question. Um I get hatre has some transferable skills and there isn't really. Um, yeah, an easy path I suppose it just depends on the individual and how you apply yourself to the workplace and to the role and that could lead to open up way more opportunities. Yeah.

15:05.38
Nate
Yeah I think I think you'll find like I agree completely and I think life experience is exactly what you need to be in Hr because you deal with different people all day every day you're dealing with with you know some people that are in the far lower page of people sweeping Floors. You got you got to make sure they're happy and make sure they're looked after as well as all the way to the top of the the chain you're going to deal with people with ceos and you know other managers wanting Advice. So life experience is exactly what you need to be in ah in a ah Hr role.

15:37.99
Tien
Um, yeah, life experience and empathy just really having that genuine passion to understand and yeah when I help people.

15:41.74
Nate
And.

15:49.59
Nate
Definitely.

15:49.63
roxyprophet
And and really understand the kind of questions you get ah with a smile every time. Yeah I think it's really interesting. Um that you say it's like learning on a job because a lot of people think that that is.

15:53.53
Tien
Yeah, yeah, no judgment.

16:02.15
Tien
And.

16:06.97
roxyprophet
Mostly for trades you know you do apprenticeships and and internships and and things like that. But actually everybody's still learning on the job and being able to study and do your your course at the same time as doing your work. You got more out of it. You know you you I.

16:22.49
Tien
Move.

16:25.52
roxyprophet
You know that's what it sounds like I remember you doing it and telling me all applying this part to this part in my day-to-day job as we went through it all. Um and I think that's actually a really good way of thinking about you know someone trying to change their career and trying to do it at the same time. That's maybe something that could excel or move them first.

16:45.22
roxyprophet
Further and faster up because you can do the same thing at the same time. Essentially you're studying about what you're doing to improve yourself and it's a lot more time and effort at the time as I remember because you were good I've got to like say out tomorrow. Um, but it's still that.

16:45.30
Nate
Um, and.

16:59.20
Tien
Um, yeah.

17:02.58
roxyprophet
Side of things where you know you do feel afterwards that you've achieved it. You know it's It's a great stepping stone in a career and also someone thinking about changing a career. Yeah, that's awesome.

17:06.34
Tien
A.

17:14.86
Tien
Definitely yeah for sure.

17:17.51
roxyprophet
Um, so my next question would be what is your favorite thing about your role or your job the cheesier the better.

17:21.28
Tien
Okay, it's going to sound so cheesy. Okay, prepare for the cheese but genuinely it's helping people I like solving problems I like serving people the workplace my community I'm all about that. So I think. You truly have to have a passion for people and providing good customer service and I mentioned I started an admin but before I was retail and in a lot of customer service roles. So I think that really set me up for hatear as well because you really got to have that background know know how to you know work with. Um, work and deal with different people from different walks of life. So yeah I mean sure there's moments where I feel like I want to have my introvert cocoon moments and I don't want to deal with anyone today but at at my core I just really love sharing knowledge connecting with people building relationships. Because there's just you don't know who you're going to come across. There's so many talented and creative people out there that you can really learn from and yeah have that enrichment and just really, um, yeah, just really connect with them in that special way.

18:30.64
roxyprophet
It It is definitely one of the best things about Hr because it does also mean you can work in other industries as well. So you get to understand a few different things going from you know hospitals to visual effects. Um and being able to be.

18:34.22
Tien
Is.

18:47.39
roxyprophet
Crazy people in visual effects and the different characters that you meet and the different you know stories. You can tell um you know, especially with Nathan as well when we go out for dinner. The the people that are around the table have all come from all walks of life and sometimes all around the world. So it's.

18:50.17
Tien
Um, so with me.

18:55.89
Tien
Will.

19:06.88
roxyprophet
Such a nice environment to be a part of.

19:08.50
Tien
Yeah, for sure, it's so diverse as well. I think that's really key and really important to the values that we sort of mentioned before as well having that diversity from different cultures different orientations, different genders. All of that. Just really making people feel. Like they belong and really can contribute in their own way and yeah inclusivity is really really key and yeah, something that you know we're hate in Hr, we're always trying to do better at.

19:39.98
roxyprophet
Brilliant.

19:41.70
Nate
All right? It's time for the get honest, we want to hear the bad stuff. What do you hate? What is what? what is the thing that is dread going to work to do.

19:45.53
Tien
A.

19:53.86
Tien
Well, there isn't 1 particular thing but I guess just like the red tape and the barracy I know what you're thinking hey r is all about policies and like processors right? So we should be all about this but it can be a bit of a pain and I guess. Ah, you guys would know especially being in previously working in people. Um talent management roles you up against so many needs and requests and people rely on you and there's just so much pressure to meet um their expectations when there's restrictions or guidelines um from decision makers. So. Yeah, that can be quite restrictive in um, delivering what you genuinely want for your team I think you know we genuinely want good outcomes for people and often hate chi kind of get a bad bad rep for just being really rule all about the rules and you know very cutthroat but we. But for the most part for the people that I know that work in Hr. We always want the best for people and want the best outcomes is just that we can't always meet that expectation and can't always yeah ah appease to everyone I suppose. So. Yeah I think that's ah also a bit of ah, a bummer in in the role and in this department and yeah, the misconception of hr being seen as boring and rule followinging which is you know which is besides the truth. It can be fun and bold and strategic. You just.

21:23.28
roxyprophet
Yeah, it's that comment when you go to the pub with everyone and they go oh be careful. They're InHR and you're like oh no come on? Yeah, but it is. it's it's yeah

21:23.84
Tien
It's what you make of it who.

21:31.40
Tien
Um, yeah, yeah, the fun police. Yeah.

21:39.43
Nate
Um, a hot.

21:44.43
roxyprophet
It's really hard trying to stick to the rules and also trying to get people in different walks of life to understand another person's perspective or the company's perspective for that matter. Yeah I agree with you there. That's a tough 1

21:46.27
Tien
B.

21:57.25
Tien
Um, yeah, it is. Do you guys have any other ah you know any thing that you went particularly fond of when you went in those roles.

22:07.46
roxyprophet
I Think it's when you get like a one off question where you don't know quite how to answer it because it's not really work related because in nature people do get a little bit outside the Box. Um. And they may ask your question is not okay, it's more on their personal side but you are kind of concerned about them so you want to try and help but where's the line I think that for me is like I.

22:31.66
Tien
Here.

22:37.33
roxyprophet
I Probably just got too involved in the person's personal life to help sort them out on my side but that that was my struggle daily. Thank you? yeah.

22:41.84
Tien
Yeah, setting boundaries I guess because you care so much and you want you want to help but at the same time you got to it's still you know a professional environment because if you go you know cross that line when's it when does it end you know when does the start.

22:57.29
roxyprophet
Exactly Yeah, where do you, you know and the amount of like tax questions you get for internationals that move across and relocation and and things like that that actually you can't legally give advice on so that's a really good answer for.

23:00.93
Tien
Yeah.

23:13.37
Tien
Um, move.

23:13.96
roxyprophet
But the other ones that are like where do I send my ski kid to school. It's like I I don't know but I'll I'll send you towards someone who can advise you you know those' ones I yeah work related I could always get there but with the personal stuff I always.

23:19.40
Tien
Um, yeah, yeah.

23:19.51
Nate
Um.

23:30.74
roxyprophet
Found like I was not being a nice enough person if I didn't put enough effort into it. Yeah.

23:34.70
Tien
Um, yeah, you feel like that pressure to just be nice and always you know giving them the best. Ah you know giving them not what they want but being helpful and.

23:40.78
Nate
Are unexpected.

23:42.47
roxyprophet
Yeah, no, yeah, exactly kind of follow up me like how did did they help and then you're messaging them going. Please help them? Yeah, yeah, that's yeah with my.

23:44.95
Tien
Ah, simple I'll go talk to that person sometimes isn't enough you feel guilty. We yeah yeah.

23:52.84
Nate
Um, my mo favorite is quite neatly with that as well. It's really that empathy card again. It's my my least favorite thing in the entire world is redundancies is letting people go.

24:09.26
Tien
Um, move now her owner. Yeah.

24:10.78
Nate
You know when it's performance-based It's not fun, but it's performance you it's performance but when it's a genuine redundancy and and my heart really goes out to them. You know these these people you know, suddenly their their life is shattered life is um, life is changing. So this is sort of I suppose. What's driven me into this career coaching industry is this is where I get get to to play that part and give guidance and yeah, so Redundan yuc.

24:30.53
Tien
Paris.

24:40.27
roxyprophet
Yeah, hoping to try and make that process of it better for people like a support function for it and and giving examples and showing and information about how something like that. Even though it's a terrible thing could be something that.

24:40.30
Tien
Um, yeah, yucky.

24:47.51
Nate
Um, yeah.

24:58.46
roxyprophet
Pushes you to change what you want to do and you've been talking about doing for ages because it is so easy to go into a company and go yeah my values align at the moment but the values of the company change over time and so do yours and so you think you've done the right thing and you've made it but in some cases.

25:01.20
Tien
Um, move.

25:12.78
Tien
Um, here.

25:14.36
Nate
Prince.

25:16.24
roxyprophet
You might need to reevaluate it and maybe that redundancy is actually something that's pushed you across the line to then start your your art business making t-shirts then loving it. Yeah yeah, so um, yeah, it it. It is.

25:22.34
Tien
Um, and searcher.

25:34.52
Tien
Are is.

25:34.83
roxyprophet
Negative point of H out but I feel like it's also a good one of learning like I feel like I've learned a lot from people with the questions I get asked and how to answer them and I feel like I've become a more you know, empathetic person and and and more understanding person because of it which is your positive side as well.

25:52.63
Tien
Um, yeah for sure.

25:55.43
roxyprophet
Yeah, um, so our next question is um, what advice would you give to somebody who would be just startinging at an industry or tried to change and move across to an Hr role.

26:09.73
Tien
Um, this I have a quote that's really resonated with me and it it. Yeah, so you know whenever somebody's sort of stuck or just unsure and you just really need to re-evaluate recalibrate and just take a step back. This quote is.

26:13.26
roxyprophet
I Love quotes.

26:27.62
Tien
At every job you should either learn or earn either is fine. Both is great. But if it's neither quit and that's a quote from Gary Tan and I just think that's just so so powerful and impactful because no matter what different phase you are in your personal life or in your career.

26:35.43
Nate
See.

26:47.41
Tien
Your values change but you should always be learning. Um, and if you can't you earn? you're making the big bucks. So what? and then you know you might go through a different phase where you're like you know what? I don't need to make the big bucks more I actually want to pivot or change careers and learn something Else. So. I Think that's always um, something really valuable that I kind of always think back on when whenever I'm you know caught in a situation I'm not sure what to do next? Yeah, yeah, yeah, put it on t-shirts. Ah.

27:12.63
roxyprophet
I Love it I Love the car.

27:16.50
Nate
Um, that quote didn't go I'm feeling.

27:20.75
roxyprophet
Um, it it can be your your blog post photo will get 1 of those nice things. Yeah and I completely agree I think too many people just get comfortable and cho on with the day to day but you've got to you know.

27:26.40
Nate
Um.

27:27.56
Tien
Um, means yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

27:39.20
roxyprophet
It's gotta be something there. You've got to be earning and learning I like it. So I think.

27:41.44
Tien
Um, yeah, yeah, it helps people I Guess let us or good or good or good then and that it's all good. Have moved on. Yeah, yeah, yeah me.

27:47.10
Nate
We've got 1 more 1 question. There's the delay again. We get okay.

27:57.30
roxyprophet
Ah, think we were both waffling. Ah.

28:00.30
Nate
Last question this is this is just education. We already briefly discussed that way. So just give us a quick another snapshot. What did you study? Um, what? what helped you? What? Yeah what you study and what would help.

28:00.70
Tien
Ah.

28:04.93
Tien
Oh.

28:17.83
Tien
Okay I studied a bachelor in business and majored in human resource management and don't regret it at all I think I mentioned before even though I still managed to secure a H R role before finishing my degree. Um I think it's still.

28:19.31
Nate
So get here.

28:36.15
Tien
Um, enabled me to I Guess take my career to the next take it further and take it to the next level. Um, because I just grew so much just from all the content and not just that I think it really just the act of studying and that discipline creates. You know that structure the organization skills the collaboration that comes from the group work and yeah, really managing my time a bit more effectively I think that um, kind of adjacent to the contents and the coursework itself really helped me in my career and of course. Learning on the job doing your own self-directed learning looking at free or available resources online or short courses works just as Well. There are just so many different avenues to enrich your learning and as long as you apply yourself.

29:27.70
Nate
Absolutely and I look I did the same thing I studied as I worked and don't regret a thing. It can be tough. It can be stressful, um, and look if you if you're not working and you are studying I would recommend volunteering like get out there. Get.

29:27.36
roxyprophet
Yeah.

29:45.30
Nate
Doesn't have to be the same industry just volunteer somewhere meet people build your references. You know it. It fleshes out your cv it gives you it gives you a holistic picture of who you are and it gives you an opportunity to really um to really learn. Fantastic.

30:01.19
Tien
Um, yeah for sure.

30:02.67
roxyprophet
It get you on the ground watching what people do in volunteering. It's awesome. Um, yeah I did the same thing I studied Media arts and major in producing and now I work in the Hr Realm and my.

30:03.39
Nate
And 3 Yes.

30:06.15
Tien
Um, yeah.

30:20.19
roxyprophet
Study and learning of it All is really just free online courses and lots of short courses and a tiny diploma so there are yeah lots of avenues and I think what you said quite rightly is you know you you give it a go and the more little courses that you do.

30:27.39
Tien
Um, so yeah.

30:40.23
roxyprophet
I don't think I've ah ever I've come out of some short courses and gone and you know what that really wasn't for me and that didn't make any sense but then two years later I had like a eureka moment of how it applied to me somehow so learning is never a waste of time. Yeah.

30:52.17
Tien
Um, it never is now have.

30:54.29
Nate
More.

30:59.99
roxyprophet
Wow you know? Thank you so much for being our first podcast guest and.

31:03.30
Tien
Yeah, it's a pleasure. Thanks for having me and yeah I Really hope this podcast takes off and you know next thing you know you're interviewing you know politicians or celebrities Really do hope that for you guys? yeah.

31:17.82
roxyprophet
Um, yeah I hope that our nice conversations move forward and you know this sort of more relaxed environment is something that people will actually listen to for 31 minutes

31:18.81
Nate
Thank you.

31:24.21
Tien
Um, yeah.

31:30.84
Nate
Um.

31:31.26
Tien
Um, you know probably cut and you know maybe a few minutes from waffles. Yeah.

31:36.25
roxyprophet
I'll do some editing