The Long-Term Impacts of Slavery on Modern Society

How has the trauma of slavery shaped the psychological and socio-economic landscape of African and Latino communities today? Join us for an eye-opening discussion as we unpack the lingering impacts of colonialism and the African diaspora, exploring the divisive mindsets that still drive us apart and the urgent need for healing and unity. From historical context to contemporary challenges, we confront controversial views on the long-term effects of slavery and examine the socio-economic obstacles faced by descendants of enslaved peoples.

Our episode delves deep into the psychological scars left by historical trauma, focusing on foundational Black Americans and people from the islands. We share personal anecdotes and discuss the role of influential communities like the Nation of Islam and the Moors in fostering accountability and self-awareness. The conversation highlights the critical need for education and community support to break harmful cycles of generational trauma and to cultivate a sense of identity and self-love. We emphasize the importance of understanding one's history to overcome systemic oppression and advocate for a more unified community approach.

Finally, we celebrate Black excellence and confront the barriers to success in a society still marked by institutional racism. From the tragic story of a vice president at Lincoln University to the broader need for economic equality and reparations, we tackle the systemic hurdles that Black individuals face. We offer book recommendations that provide a rich exploration of Black culture, history, and community, setting the stage for empowerment through education and unity. 

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

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Speaker 2: 0:11

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Speaker 1: 0:24

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Speaker 2: 1:37

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Speaker 1: 2:30

They put up the put up foundational black Americans, africans in the connection, by way of slavery.

Speaker 2: 2:38

Exactly that. Right, there is a topic that's taking place online with this whole diaspora nonsense that I truly find very time consuming and ignorant, like we're so focused on our differences. Yeah, we speak different languages, we come from different backgrounds, but we all endured the same pain from slavery. We all are affected by that. Colonialism has done a great job, you know, on people of you, on people on the African continent and of African descent, and also I got a lot of thoughts. Latino family as well. They all endured before they were considered Latinos. They were Taino Indians, arawaks, indigenous people. They all were colonized by Spaniards. Terrible man, that's all I got to say. It's a terrible historical event that took place that affects us today.

Speaker 1: 3:32

I like the African diaspora conversation because it's needed.

Speaker 1: 3:36

The reason why it's needed is because we've been so disenfranchised and scattered and colonialized, if you will, if that's yeah, mentally colonized man yeah, so so you know, um, we're brainwashed, we're whitewashed and, um, you know, I was just watching something, um, on Facebook, right, they had a Jamaican crossing paths with an African dude and in their mind, the way they're talking is like this, this Jamaican dude, if he's so, this, that and the third. And then the African dude was like I mean, the Jamaican dude was saying in his mind about the African dude, this African dude is not this and that, and just like you know, just the way we are with each other, you know what I mean. The Jamaican dude was saying in his mind about the African dude this African dude is not this and that, and just like you know just the way we are with each other, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 4:30

Exactly.

Speaker 1: 4:31

You know. But my thing is like, when it comes to like this subject, I think the most important thing for us to do is to focus on each individual tribe, if you will. You know what I'm saying you know, because you know Haitians. They have their own issues among themselves.

Speaker 2: 4:53

Exactly.

Speaker 1: 4:55

So-called Black Americans have their issues among themselves and, you know, I think that we have to heal within our own spaces in order for us to have this dialogue and actually make some kind of impact and changes, exactly Because, you know, among each other we have our own issues and it's hard for us to even, you know, unify among each other.

Speaker 1: 5:24

Like, look at our families, our families, you know, dysfunctional, and this is all due to colonialism. Like you know, some of these, like, I think, candace Owens and I think another brother I forgot his name, I think he's like a Republican or conservative or something like that, and he basically says that slavery has nothing to do with what's going on with us at the at this moment in time, because we have all the resources, we have the, you know, no one's holding you back, pretty much, right, but what he understood, elder, his name is Larry elder, right, yeah, so, yeah, we have the resources we have, we have, you know, the Internet. We have, you know, we have opportunity. Opportunity is right there, right in front of us. However, it's hard to see it when you're coming from a family background of someone who mom was on crack who, mom, was on crack.

Speaker 2: 6:29

Like with the internet right now it's like it, pardon me, I'm sharing the show to people out to sharing everything out to letting people know that we're on. You know I'm saying so that's peace, thank you.

Speaker 1: 6:35

So what? What I'm realizing is that people come from other countries, uh, and they don't. People come from like, like africans, in particular. The reason why I'm mentioning africans is because I saw a post online or a video online about it. With this, this, this nigerian guy who talks about self self awareness and self-help and grooming and things like that, and talking about how to pick up women and such, and he was talking about hood dudes. Right, he's like, hood dudes are feminine and you know, because they don't know how to process emotion properly and all this stuff.

Speaker 1: 7:21

Right, and the reason, the reason why I really don't like that is because you're coming from a different perspective, totally Like. You don't even understand, you're not from the hood, nothing. So you don't know what's going on, right, you can, you can look, you can look and see what's going on on camera on not camera on video or what have you, but you didn't really live the experience to even make a comment like that. So when people get on dudes from the hood, and you know, because I'm from the hood exactly, I'm from the hood I wouldn't consider myself a hood dude, so to speak quote unquote, because what is that really? You know, I'm saying man.

Speaker 2: 8:04

I think when dudes say they hood and all that, I think they it's it's misrepresented and not phrased correctly. I think they're trying to say they're the underdogs and as far as the psychology of them not knowing to process emotions, a lot of people walk around here with trauma, especially people from the islands. You know, we all have our traumas, our little things that affected us, that hasn't been resolved. You know they come here, they have a cultural shock and they got to take in consideration the narratives that may have been painted for them. You don't know what kind of narrative has been painted for them. You know in their homeland, about foundational black Americans. You get what I'm saying what they see on TV, the music videos, the music and everything else. So they don't take that consideration and we all need some psychiatric evaluation.

Speaker 1: 8:59

Well, I mean coming from where we okay. So I'm gonna just rewind back to Larry Elder and people who don't come from the environment, who like to say that you know we now have all of this opportunity and resources at our disposal, because it is true. However, like I said, if you grew up in a household where you know the dynamics are completely different from you, from what you understand, you could possibly understand. Some people grow up with their parents on drugs.

Speaker 2: 9:36

Exactly.

Speaker 1: 9:38

Some people grow up with one parent on drugs the other parent is addicted to, maybe gambling gambling, sex.

Speaker 2: 9:46

You know they, they, they damage emotionally and you know when they say things like that. You know now we have the opportunity, yeah, that's given. But you got to think about the cycle that has been perpetuated. What lessons were passed down? Misinformation, and you know, and people in the hood were constantly you know I'm I'm going to say that because you know we grew up in it constantly in survival mode. So when do you have time to really sit back to process things, to learn life? You don't have time for that, right, you don't. And people try to find ways. Like you had school of thoughts, like the Nation of Islam came to refine people's thinking and to uplift them and bring a sense of confidence.

Speaker 2: 10:25

The five percenters did the best that they can, the lessons that they had, what the father brought to them, you know he was communicating with people from the hood, speaking their language, but also giving them information on how to you know, how to be better citizens and better people for themselves. The Moors, it's just. They did, through our language, even hip hop. You know what I'm saying, you understand what I'm saying. So we can't fault them all the time, but you know it's time now to really take accountability and shake that off.

Speaker 1: 10:56

Right Now. I understand that and you know I totally get that, because I'm a person who takes accountability for myself. Regardless to how I grew up, I'm always trying to process things and move past. You know the past and stuff like that. However, you know you know shaking things off. You can't just shake them off. If you, if it was easy to just shake things off psychologically, it would have been good. Shake things off psychologically, it would have been good If we could just shake off psychological issues and pass down trauma through generations, then we would be on top, if you want to say that Exactly. So it's just hard to shake off. Even me at 43, I'm just I'm, I'm kind of, in a sense, growing up myself right now, like just by listening to other people and how they respond to me, cause sometimes I could be, you know, too intense, sometimes I could be too too high, too low. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 11:59

Like but what's so dope about it? You admit that cause I'm going through the same thing too. I'm 40, you know it took years for me to it. You admit that because I'm going through the same thing too. I'm 40. It took years for me to really blossom out of that phase I was going through. I always felt like I was constantly being attacked Because the household plays, your environment plays a major part in your upbringing, your perspective of the world. You step out of that circle and you start to really grow, have knowledge of yourself, make better decisions, because everybody in the hood is coming outside. As we said in episodes from last year, people come outside with trauma already. So a lot of people in the hood. You got babies, raising babies, misinformation, lack of education, lack of resources that will affect a human being's. You know their psyche and you got the world standards on how you should be. And then you got to go back into looking to the history of slavery, then your own individual problems. Man, it's a lot.

Speaker 1: 13:00

So now, how would slavery affect us? Now, I mean, when I talk about, when I talk about this subject, I always go back to the root because you know, I was taught from the five percent nation always start with the foundation, so with the foundation of everything. That's how my thinking goes. So, peace, islam, ayb more films, peace, peace to you. Peace, islam, ayb, more films, peace, peace to you, peace. So equality, power myself, equality power Really.

Speaker 2: 13:36

Yeah, that's dope, wow yeah man.

Speaker 1: 13:42

So awareness daily. If you equality power, how long you had knowledge? Anyway, you'll answer that in a second. But, um, to go back to that man, um, I always, I always start to um, start from the foundation, which is knowledge, right, so when we're talking about the psychology of the black American and the African, I always go back to. I definitely take it back to the beginning, right, but you know, I like to take it to more recent history, because history is more of where we are right now. Right, it's the reason why we're here.

Speaker 1: 14:28

If our people were enslaved, for how many years? 100 plus. Some people say four. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm about to say awareness daily. All right, I'm like, if you're that old, you know You're pretty sharp, if you're that old, you must pretty sharp. Oh, how you, you know you must have had knowledge for a long time. But, yeah, pardon me.

Speaker 1: 14:50

So to go back to it, slavery and that whole that issue, it's all right. It's all right, brother, slavery and that whole issue. How do? Where do we start with slavery, slavery, right. So we start with.

Speaker 1: 15:06

I would like to you know what my, the way, my mindset is now. I like to start with the moors. I start with the moors. You know, um, and how they, you know, had spain under rule for seven years and then, and then it was, and then it was flipped, uh of ayb, more films, no, uh, I wouldn't say that we were all slaves, not all, no, I wouldn't say that. However, I know my own personal history. So I'm talking about me and my psychology and I'm pretty sure um mike is talking about his psychology and the people that are in our environment A lot of people. For the most part, if you look back into their family tree, they were enslaved, ok, so so to take it back to slavery and how it plays a role in our state right now, so you know, that's a good question. I want to say this If we all were an enslaved right, I want to ask why is the psychology so bad? Why are our conditions are so bad? Why are we in the condition we are in right now?

Speaker 1: 16:28

So, I want to ask you that. I mean, if you weren't enslaved, if some of our people weren't enslaved, I mean they're going to be affected by slavery for sure, based on the environment and the social and uh uh, social political climate. You know exactly. So, um, you know why are we here?

Speaker 2: 16:50

you know the brief said the sociology. It still plays a role. It still plays a role because how many of us and you know I take in consideration, granted where we come from, where we resided in the communities dealt with searches by police, being stopped and frisked and everything else. I used to be like damn, because I'm Black. But I used to be like is it because of my environment? What's taking place here? I started thinking more. I'm like because this neighborhood's not that great. That's why this is happening. You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 17:21

Now here's it. Now, cultural assimilation. Yeah, I mean, you know whatever's going on in an environment, you know what I mean. You're going to do what, what they say Rome does.

Speaker 2: 17:32

Yeah, yeah. So when a Roman, do what Romans do so.

Speaker 1: 17:36

So everyone's going to be, you know, influenced by each other, right, you know language and what have you? If I'm not really reading a book and I'm not educated, you know what I'm saying. Chances are they're going to be two types of people. They're going to be people who say you know what, then I'm going to go get educated, and there's another person that's going to follow what everyone else is going to do Exactly. So, yeah, cultural assimilation. Now, growing up, right, yeah, yes, yes, sir. Influence. Growing up, right, yeah, yes, sir, influence.

Speaker 1: 18:06

So now, growing up, right, you say, when you were growing up and you were dealing with the police, you were saying, like, am I being harassed? You know whatever, right, exactly when I was growing up, I was saying that. But I was, really, I really wasn't being harassed. Cultural, cultural culture assimilation. I was just thinking I was supposed to be harassed, so I just put up. Anyway, you get what I'm saying. Which made things even worse. I'm saying and half half the time, police officers will go man, get out of here. Man, yeah, I used to hear that to get out of here. But there were times, you know, they will hop out of here, man.

Speaker 2: 18:43

Yeah, I used to hear that too. Get out of here. But there were times, you know, they would hop out on us Because you know we got to take consideration. We know that there are some rotten apples within a bunch. Some police will tend to abuse their authority that they have and some tend to have like personal vendettas or just prejudice, and then I used to be like it's because of the neighborhood that I'm in, to be like it's because the neighborhood that I'm in so much you know crime is so prevalent here, what the activity that takes place here. So of course they they I'm looking at it they are, they're they're tense, they had suspicions. You know I fit the description somehow. Yeah, you know it's. You get to a whole, you go, you go into this abyss, this constant thing like what's going on, man. You know you go into this abyss, this constant thing like what's going on, man, until I, when I got older, I realized just the way the world operates, man. The sociology is twisted.

Speaker 1: 19:34

Yeah, it is To bring it back home, right, bring it back to slavery. Let's talk about the events that happened during slavery that could quite possibly affect us right now. So what if we talk about the history and how, how things took place, like what happened? They were captured, right, the slaves, they were placed on boats. I don't know the whole history of that.

Speaker 2: 20:02

So that story is weird.

Speaker 1: 20:04

That gets all convoluted, and you know I don't want to say the wrong thing and people are like, oh he's wrong. But bottom line, what happened? People were on boats, right, and they would shift in different places, brazil all over, right, yeah, and you know, so it could be you'll have one tribe Mix with another tribe and then separate it and and another tribe. You get what I'm saying. So what lines are all mixed up and the languages are mixed up. We were taught by the French, the Portuguese, who else? Spaniards, spaniards, portuguese, Spaniards, french, the Portuguese, who else?

Speaker 2: 20:45

Spaniards Spaniards, yeah, the Portuguese Spaniards, french, british the British, yeah. And we can't forget that part of the Arabs were involved as well. Arab slave trade A lot of groups were involved. You get what I'm saying, but it was specifically at that time. Just one group they were focused on was just exploiting Africa, and let's not get it twisted, other groups were involved in slavery as well. Other groups of people were also enslaved as well. So it's not only ours. It's just like the epicenter of humans devaluing humans. But ours was far more longer. So I guess people hold on to that and what they see, what take place with the justice system and other things where you know we're looked down upon.

Speaker 1: 21:31

It's crazy, bro, yeah, yeah so, um, iry is that, uh, psychological warfare is ongoing, regardless of color and creed. That's an actual fact, exactly actual fact, you know? Um no, I always tell my daughter, uh, daughters, you know, pray verse, predator. There's always, you know, there's always the predator versus the prey. Someone's praying on your, your mind, every day, every day. So yeah, that's a fact.

Speaker 2: 22:05

I want to stop. I don't want to stop the show, but I want to give props to you, brother, for what you do, like what your daughter's for real, because this is one father I seek I'm a father, I have a daughter as well. That's always like giving his seeds, like that knowledge, that knowledge of self, always imparting that wisdom on themselves, shout outs to you. For that I know, we know not to go off topic, but it is part of the topic as well. As RR said, psychological, when you don't know who you are, people can manipulate you. It's easy to manipulate you. It goes by that old saying give me a mind, you can lead a body. Once I have this, once I have your psyche, I have you.

Speaker 1: 22:52

So let's just leave it at that. Yeah, witness Daily says sociologists been attacking the individual since the beginning of time. Of course that's just the way life is, you know, and as I say, as above, so below. So you know you could take that super deep, right Pause. But now let's so let's go to take it back to slavery. You know, if you know any details about slavery, can you expound on that right now?

Speaker 2: 23:19

Slavery, you know, as we know, on these North American shores. When they landed on Hispaniola that is now known as modern, you know as Haiti and Dominican Republic, they went there and started off with the indigenous people, the Tainos Catholic Church. After that said, you know what? What they did? But his name was Bartholomew de la Cosa. That's what they did to the Tainos. He said let's just go to North Africa. I mean, let's go to Africa. They went coast. Is that what they did to the tainos? He said let's just go to north africa. I mean, let's go to africa. They went down to west africa, took some people against their own will. Let's not forget that. You know, some of some tribes were warring and was like selling people into slavery, as they call it, um involuntary servitude, whatever yeah and you know from there the europeans.

Speaker 2: 24:01

they just took a whole twist on the slavery thing. You know with the abuse, you know pillaging, raping, yes, it's so. It's so disgusting what they did and you know the tactics that were used. Let's talk about tactics.

Speaker 1: 24:18

See, this is where I'm getting, because if we talk about the tactics, right, talking about trauma passed through generations, of course. So now shout out to Queen B if Queen B is watching. Queen B, um, queen B and I we were looking at generational trauma passed through genetics. Genetic trauma, that's big too. Yeah. So you know, traumas passed through genetics. So now, how long is the lineage? I don't know. I don't know how far it goes through the bloodline. It goes through the bloodline. However, I could imagine if it goes from one generation, it's going to go from one generation to the next, because that trauma hasn't been really dealt with, right? So let's talk about this. Let's let's expound on the tactics, the torture, the tactics.

Speaker 2: 25:18

The torture, oh yeah, the butt breaking as we know it, right, mm-hmm. They would take the most dominant male, the strongest male, and destroy him. There was a point, they were even raping the men. Or they would destroy him, his image, everything about him in front of the tribe, in front of his family, the women. So that devalues him. He loses that masculinity, that protection role, the provider, by tying each leg to a horse tar and feathering him, putting the fear of God in him, by beating him in front of the woman. Or what they would do is take the woman, rape her. They already instilled the fear into the men by putting the fear of God in them, by torturing them. So now she look at the men, as I can't rely on you to protect me, because look what you did. Or the men will look at the woman and say how could you let these men do that to you, playing on their mind, stripping families apart. That, right there, left a lot of them back then with abandon, abandonment, issues. You know I'm saying they was torn from their families.

Speaker 2: 26:23

Um, the rape, the pillaging, destroying the men, the women, most importantly, um, looking at, look, look, treating them as pawns of entertainment, right, you know, have them dancing. If you, if you want your child, you want this and that you got to entertain you by doing this. It's just so. It's just so much, man what about um uh with?

Speaker 1: 26:47

how do you succeed the children to crocodile?

Speaker 2: 26:52

yeah, that right there. Um, burying a woman, burying a man and a woman in in dirt with their heads just sticking out the dirt and have horses running over their head yeah. Cutting a pregnant woman's belly open and stomping on the fetus yeah, these are things that you can imagine. How many people witnessed that and kept that in and passed those stories down? So you're listening to that. Say, if a woman's pregnant imagine a pregnant woman being told these things she's passing that trauma down to her children. The man seeing that he's holding on to these things, because a lot of us tend to hold pain in. We don't express it, especially in those days where you had to hide everything. Yeah, you got to hide that, damn man, you got to think about this right, the type of trauma.

Speaker 1: 27:42

Now we talk about trauma growing up in the hood. You see shootings and stabbings and people getting junk things and all of that right, that's a different, that's a just. That's a modern trauma. The time that we're talking about is we're talking about horrific things that we never, ever saw in our lives. You know, we never witnessed the type of this type of stuff that they witnessed now, the fear that they had in their bloodstream genetics that had to be passed on, and it's already proven through science that it is passed on trauma and emotional things and they're all passed through, passed through the generations. So you've got to think about it. Four hundred years of this Right Trauma, right After the four hundred years of trauma, it wasn't over, because, guess what? After the 400 years of trauma, it wasn't over because, guess what?

Speaker 2: 28:44

once we got quote-unquote free, what happened? Let's go through the line of that and what happened right there.

Speaker 1: 28:46

Then you know well, mind you, we're just talking about america, right yeah? We're not not even talking about the west indies and what they went over oh my god, it's horrific, even like yo.

Speaker 2: 28:56

All right, you free. Now you're ostracized for your freedom, right, you understand? What more do you want than I gave you your freedom, but you, for those four centuries, man, you took a lot away from me my sense of identity, my freedom, my religion. Let's just put it like this there's this old Haitian song I remember my mom was saying. This guy was saying yo, you came into my home, you ate my food, and then you got on top of my daughter and then you telling me I'm not a man, you expect me to respect you as a man. That's crazy, like the things that they had to endure. As you mentioned, half of us couldn't even couldn't even survive that.

Speaker 2: 29:48

We couldn't even fathom that right you know you, you have a family together. Next thing you know you're parceled out somewhere. Your son is being sold, you're being viewed as some kind of exhibit right crazy man and then and then imagine after all of that happened during slavery.

Speaker 1: 30:06

Now we're free and I, you can't eat. You can't eat in the same restaurant as a european right. If you walk into a place, you're being called a nigger. And don't forget what happened, uh, through the media, remember, with those cartoons? Oh, yeah, of course, and they made in the way they made african people look with the bones in their noses and they had the big old eyes like this and they're like, ah, like scary.

Speaker 2: 30:42

Of course the media they did. That's again another psychological attack they done on us. Like you know, you endured, like you said, the freedom, the segregation you know, running from state to state, your homes being raided. You understand For you, just for the color of your skin skin you're just waking up in the morning, you're already a target. You're disliked, right, yeah, you're considered through um, through social standards, you're less than a human being. Then you got the legal aspect of that, the political, you know. Then those who decided to rebel, who spoke out, you seen and make examples out of them, but speaking out, black, black Wall Street. Look what happened to that Black Wall Street. Then you had, rest in peace. To the sister, sarah Bartman, they called her Black Venus because her body type. Then she's put into museums.

Speaker 1: 31:36

Which is so crazy because sisters, right now, they're online with their behinds out. It's just so crazy because sisters, right now, just they're online with their behinds out. It's just so crazy to me, man, how things play out. Yeah, oh, tiffany is on right now. What's going on? Tiff RBG? You hoo-roo.

Speaker 3: 31:54

Hey, how you doing. How you doing Sorry for my lateness. How you doing.

Speaker 2: 31:58

Nah, you're good, sis, You're good, we good.

Speaker 1: 32:01

So, tiffany, we're just talking about, you know, foundational black Americans quote unquote, africans, and the connection to slavery, and we were talking about how traumas passed on through the generations, and I mean genetically and so through genetics. I mean genetically and so through genetics, so you know we were talking about what kind of trauma did we endure, our ancestors endured, so we went through you know what happened, like you know the tarring and the feathering and the hangings, you know. And then what else? What else? We just went down the line, the family was destroyed.

Speaker 2: 32:40

in the politics behind line, the family unit was destroyed. The politics behind that, the laws were put in place. If a slave became educated he was a threat. Even now I've seen who was it. Dr Joy Leary said that when a mother here, a European, congratulates her child, she'd be like oh him, nah, he's dumb as wood. And they only did that out of fear because if they see one slave that had some kind of intelligence, that's the one they would take from the family and bring them on to the air plantation and work for them and they would articulate that person to think like them for their benefit. It's just the slavery thing.

Speaker 2: 33:23

Talking about it. I hate talking about it because I'm like I can't imagine what they have gone through, because I remember I went on vacation, I was on a cruise and something came across my mind. I'm like that's crazy. Like I'm standing on the beach shore I'm watching the ship come by. I'm like imagine what our people seen. Man, we're winding back 400 plus years. What went through their mind when they first saw that first ship that came? They seen their relatives just getting on there and being whipped.

Speaker 1: 33:52

They remember the guns. They were new to firearms.

Speaker 3: 33:58

Okay.

Speaker 1: 34:00

People get killed right in front of them just with a book. It's crazy exactly. You know firearms, okay. People get killed right in front of them just with a bullet.

Speaker 3: 34:04

It's like crazy, bro. So I want to say this Well, you know, the connection of slavery brought about trauma on both sides, not just, you know, to the slaves that was taken away and sent off to the Atlantic, but the ones that was there Because, as you guys mentioned, they lost their loved ones. You know what I'm saying. So it's like you kidnap a child from their mother. You know what I'm saying. So that mother is grieving for the loss of that child because that child's no longer around and she doesn't know where her child is at. And that child doesn't know where her child is at, and that child he thinking that his mama or she thinking that her parents, their parents, is the person that kidnapped them. Right, so it's the same, it's a similar concept. But what happens is is that people you know don't really know the history, don't know how brutal slavery was. You know what I'm saying. And you know the black people here in America think that, oh, they were just the only ones affected by slavery. And it's like, no, you're not the only one that was affected, the people in the continent were too. And now I will say this yes, that is true that there were Africans that did, you know, participate into the slave trade. You know certain tribes, that is true, you know I'm saying, but then there were those who rebelled, who put up a fight against all the slave trades. You know I'm saying, oh, you know, there were those who were best.

Speaker 3: 35:34

See, that's the part that people don't want to talk about, the people that rebelled against it. Okay, um, however, right, you know the families. They even put up a fight and say, hey, why are you taking my kids? Why, why my children, why my family? You know I'm saying so. That was a terrible loss for them, you know, I mean. And then over a period of time, it created more division, because these people don't recognize the connection they have, especially we talking about Igbo, yoruba people, or someone that's Iwe, fun, shanti, or whether they be Hausa, fulani, wolof or whatnot. They don't realize that a part of their tribe is in the diaspora. You know what I'm saying. So it's only fair that they can connect with the part of them, with that part that's missing. Now I also want to bring this up Shoot, it was just on my mind too. Wait a minute. What was I getting ready to say? Oh, my goodness, it was just on my mind.

Speaker 1: 36:39

It's an Igbo Wolof yeah all the tribes Tribes yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 36:47

But, yeah, it's important that we know about this, about these things, because us in the diaspora, we are creolized Africans, and when I say creolized, that means that we are multiple tribes combined. Right, we make up these multiple tribes, so it's no one set of tribe that we come from. There's no one set of tribe. You know what I'm saying. We make up multiple tribes, you know, what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 37:12

So, yeah, so we carry on their genetics and we do carry on the epigenetics of our ancestors. We do, we carry on their trauma. You know what I'm?

Speaker 3: 37:22

saying I mean that trauma has not been broken. You know it has not been broken. It's still passed on, it's still perpetuating. You know and I understand black people here in this country we have the right to be angry, we have the right to be upset about how the history happened. You know what I'm saying. Say, but it's so pleasant, there's nothing we can do about it. But I understand the anger, but at the same time, you also have to study too, and you just have to educate yourself. Um, and you just know that you cannot erase that part of your genetic. No matter how you want to create your own identity or whatever, you can't erase that part of you. That part of you is still there. You know you still, though you still a part of those people. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 38:07

And then the other part of me is we can also be the descendant of those who were slave traders too. That's the part that people don't think about. We also descend of those who were slave traders, who end up becoming slaves themselves.

Speaker 2: 38:23

That's a fact.

Speaker 3: 38:25

And that fire on the Africans in Central West Africa, because the same people that they traded with right, they end up going over there colonizing their land because they seen that, oh, they got all these resources. So we finna go over there, we finna control this. But how did they go about doing it? They couldn't just go and just take some. They had to bring other things with them. They had to bring their own cultural practice right, they had to bring their own language. So that's why you see Africans today in Central West Africa speaking French, speaking English, speaking Portuguese. You know what I'm saying? Hell, you got in Cameroon. You got a part of Cameroon where they speak French and the other part they speak English. And you know what? There's a war going on between them. And then another part. That's crazy is that one part of Cameroon is Islamic, the other part is Christianity.

Speaker 2: 39:21

Yep, so they got spiritually as well.

Speaker 3: 39:24

Yeah. So that's the friction going on, you know. So we have to really know that this brought about a psychological enslavement, not just a physical enslavement, but psychological enslavement. So what we're dealing with is just that Psychological enslavement and welavement. So what we dealing with is just that psychological enslavement and we're trapped in that mindset.

Speaker 3: 39:44

So we have this mentality that, oh yeah, of course we have this mentality america is our home. I mean, it's our home because a lot of us was born here and we was raised here. You know, but we, we trying to break down the barriers, we try, we trying to put up a fight to be accepted into the white culture, or, you know, saying to be recognized and be treated equal to. You know, saying to the Europeans mean that if we had the same equal right, if we was on the social status or economic status, rather then there wouldn't be no reason to have capitalism, right, because everybody is on the same status. So, in order to make us feel like we have some form of rights, they give us a little crumbs here and there here, okay, you can have this, okay, you can have that, etc. Etc. But when it comes to economics, nah, why you think they don't want to give us reparation.

Speaker 2: 40:48

We said that earlier with the whole Black Wall Street thing.

Speaker 3: 40:51

Right, why, if they gave us reparation right now, again, that means you have to change the entire economy. You got to change the entire economy. You got to change the economy around If that was going to be the case, and they're not ready to do that. They're not ready to do that. They'd rather put focus on trying to build weaponry you know what I'm saying and put soldiers overseas and try to put more money into other countries. That's what they'd rather do than to give that reparation, because they know that they're going to have to change the economic system around, because they know they owe our descendants millions and millions of dollars and it goes beyond just money, land resources, a lot of stuff. They're not ready to do that. They're not ready to give that up.

Speaker 1: 41:42

Well, let me ask you this. Correct me if I'm wrong. Okay, If they were to give us reparations, that would mean they would have to give other tribes, if you will, of reparations people from Haiti, people from the Caribbean.

Speaker 1: 42:06

And then who is going to be a part of the giving of the reparations? The Catholic Church? Is it going to be just Europeans, or is it going to be Europeans and Arabs as well? So who's going to be a part of? Is it going to be Europeans and Arabs as well? So who's going to be a part of this effort to give reparations?

Speaker 3: 42:25

Okay, so let's look at it. We're talking about Transatlantic Slave Trade. So with the Transatlantic Slave Trade right, in this case it would be those of European descent. We're talking about those who are British, french, portuguese, spanish. You know what I'm saying, dutch? You know what I'm saying Dutch.

Speaker 3: 42:42

You know those Europeans said right there they will have to give a reparation and it will not just be just in the United States, it will have to be a global thing, because transatlantic trade was not a United States commodity, it was a global commodity. You know what I mean. So that means that's something that's going to be done on an international level because, again, it was not something that just occurred in North America. You know what I mean. So that's an international commodity.

Speaker 3: 43:14

Now, when you talk about trans-Saharan slave trade, then that's where the Arabs come in, because they played their part in that, and that was before the transatlantic slave trade came into existing. The trans-Saharan slave trade took place. So, yes, the Arabs would have to play their part in to owe their reparation to those in Northwest Africa, in part of going downwards to West African region. They would have to owe those reparations to those individuals, part of, you know, the, you know, going downwards to west african region, you know. So they will have all those reparations to those individuals and to those also in east africa and north africa reparations on a table technically is basically all-out war.

Speaker 1: 43:55

because if, if you got to think about it, Because if they give us, not only us in America, but globally you said globally- those in the Caribbean, those who get there. Right, right. Wouldn't that basically bankrupt Europe?

Speaker 2: 44:15

Oh, yeah, I think it would be time to bankrupt them, because we got to take consideration. Groups were involved, religious groups, like you said, like the Arabs, the Catholic Church well documented when they went to Hispaniola. The revolution in Haiti we had to pay an indemnium for liberating ourselves. I have never heard of the oppressor. Yeah, you got to pay money back to France for the land. You get what I'm saying To recognize you as a free nation. Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 3: 44:51

Yeah, yeah, anytime you put up a fight against your colonizer or against those who have taken control of a land and you won. You think they're not going to come back and want to get what's theirs. You don't think they're going to come back and fight for what is theirs. They will. They're going to come back and get what's theirs. They're going to do something. So even if that means they got to put you in debt, they will do so.

Speaker 2: 45:20

How dare you liberate yourself?

Speaker 1: 45:23

Reparations, to me, is all-out war, because that'll put Europe bankrupt and then that'll make everyone else start thinking about reparations across the world now Exactly.

Speaker 2: 45:38

Other groups as well. The Irish went through slavery. Some Europeans, they're going to be thinking the same thing Exactly Other groups as well. The Irish went through slavery. Some Europeans they're going to be thinking the same thing too. Well, I get, this nation owns me some money. Do you think slavery was a condition, was a sickness, amongst people Starting to look at it like I think it was a sickness.

Speaker 3: 45:58

Yeah, and that's why they dragging it, because they don't want to put that focus on that. It's not like they know that, they don't know that we are old reparation, because they do, but they're not going to make that a primary focus. No, they're not going to make that a primary focus because then that means a lot got to give, a lot is owed A lot.

Speaker 1: 46:24

A lot. That's a fact. It'll be a tough situation. We will have to grow up tomorrow.

Speaker 2: 46:32

They would dance around it. What kills me is when they say we can't hold that, can't be accountable for that. We gotta learn how to move on right and no disrespect to no community. But I know the holocaust didn't take place in the us but they somehow they get a fund every year. A certain you know they awarded money annually yeah, because I mean.

Speaker 1: 46:55

Correct me if i'mazi right.

Speaker 2: 46:58

Yeah, but it didn't happen in the US though.

Speaker 1: 47:01

No, I know, but it all leads back to.

Speaker 2: 47:05

Europe. Yeah, I know they tied. Listen they on the inside. We have to be smart and get on the inside as well. This is why I want us to see each other when we look at it. As Elijah said when I see you, I see god. When I see myself, I see god. This is why the nation of gods and earth, the moors and whoever needs to stop with the bickering, because we all are on one mission is to uplift the people but it's easy for that to be said because, yeah, god's the moon was the five percent.

Speaker 1: 47:35

Uh, I'm sorry. I already said that the the 5%, the Moors, the other groups and stuff like that Islam Israelites With their own psychological issues within their own household, past generations, so we can't even get our own personal families type.

Speaker 3: 47:55

There you go.

Speaker 2: 47:56

And that's a fact. And all you others out there talking that Martian alien talk, I'm not trying to populate space. We on Earth let's not talk about it. You know they be on it, man. Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3: 48:10

And speaking about dealing with what's going on in the personal household situation. So I did a video about black male trauma, right, and I'm going to the one about black female trauma. But, um, you know, I brought I brought up the concept about the white patriarchal system that we currently live in, right, you know how our men try to model after you know the western ideology, I mean, and it's only fair because we live in a western culture and this is all we don't know. But when you try to live up to his standard, it does not really. It doesn't really benefit the black male in a way only because he does not have that type of systemic power structure as that white male, or he doesn't have that type of privilege. So when he tries to live up to that standard and he tries to pass it on down to his woman, now she becomes a victim of that.

Speaker 3: 49:12

And I say this that the white patriarchal system has done more damage to black males than it did to the females. However, the female happens to be a victim of it, but the black males. Then it did to the females. However, the female happened to be a victim of it, but the black males are really messed up behind it because they cannot reach to that level. They don't have that type of status. Black men don't have that type of status. They don't have that type of social status or recognition on that level to try to live up to that expectation of the patriarchal ideology. Let's be clear about that.

Speaker 1: 49:46

Well, let's talk about that. Let's be clear about that let's expound on that.

Speaker 3: 49:51

Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 1: 49:53

So Jay-Z Puffy, what's his name? Medeaea the Medea guy. Tyler Perry these are men who reached the social economic status to where now they're like they're living that life. So what do you say about that? I mean, don't say that Illuminati stuff, I'm sorry for laughing.

Speaker 3: 50:19

That's kind of rude I don't say that illuminati stuff I'm sorry for laughing. I'm sorry for laughing, I don't. That's kind of rude. I don't mean to laugh but, um, how do I say this? Okay, those are individuals, all right, and even with them, yeah, they, they multi-millionaire. What did? He is in a whole lot of trouble, so he can buy what? Bye-bye on that, because he don't put him in that situation.

Speaker 3: 50:42

But, um, but, yeah, by them being on that level, yeah, but at the same time they still at the bottom. You know I'm saying they still are looked at as minority. They still looked as just, you know, being beneath white people. You know saying they don't have that type of again, they don't have that privilege as the white man. Yeah, they might be the black elite or whatever, but they still are not on that level Compared to all the other white guys that are multi-millionaire, billionaires. You have more white guys that are billionaires and multi-millionaires than you have black males. Okay, and they just happen to be a few that represent those who are multimillionaires, right, who happen to become billionaires, but again, they would never. It don't matter how much money they make, they would not still have that same power as their white counterpart. As a matter of fact, if you have a white man that's a billionaire, he's going to take on a white man that's a millionaire before he take on a black man that's a millionaire.

Speaker 3: 51:54

Again, what happens is a lot of our brothers try to live up to that standard of the patriarch, the white supremacy, patriarchal, white supremacy ideology, and it does not work. It does not work when you don't have a power structure in place, it does not work. When you're not on that social status, it does not. It's not going to work. See the white man, he can do that.

Speaker 3: 52:17

You know what I'm saying. Most of them can do that because they have a household, they have a structure. You know what I'm saying. A lot of them in a higher position, most of our men, they are not in that higher position of power, you know. So that's why it's important that if we incorporate some african principles right, you know saying or african spirituality, into our community, then that will help bring the balance. And the reason why it will bring the balance? Because we can be able to, you know, relate to each other more and we can be able to have a structure, a foundation. You know what I'm saying. But when you don't really have that in your community and you're trying to just strictly deal with the Western ideology, you're going to have a problem Because, especially if you're being the one discriminating against, you know what I'm saying You're going to have a problem.

Speaker 3: 53:09

I mean, let me just, let's say then, why would I want to imitate or try to be like these people, right, when these people don't respect me for who I am? I mean, yes, I'm in the culture, yes, I was born into it, but it wouldn't hurt for me to learn about my ancestors, the ones that was enslaved, what type of culture they was living in, so I could take some of their principles, some of their ideology, and incorporate it into my life. Of course, you can't practice everything they did. You know what I mean, because it's you know what I'm saying, it's impractical. But you can take some of those principles and use it to your own advantage, and that's where I stand on it.

Speaker 2: 53:46

You know what, tiffany? I agree with what you say, but I think, aesthetically, some of the men that you speak of they also are trying to emulate that sign of success, the look of success. You get what I'm saying. They're saying, look, they're doing it. So let me study something from their book and try to copy what they're doing, because maybe I can make it. But what they also have is solidarity and unity, Because we have that mindset. If I make it, I'm going to kick these doors down and pull my people in, right. But what happens when you pull your people in? Sometimes your people will fail you. You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 54:24

I'm just saying there are those who have and we must appreciate them. You know what I'm saying, and it's sad that there's individuals that don't acknowledge them for doing so. You know what I mean. That's the sad part about it. There are people that don't acknowledge them. They don't say you know what we appreciate those individuals for kicking out the doors and doing what they can. You know what I'm saying Putting up a fight so what we can do at least continue the fight, continue to carry on this, you know, carry on for generations so that more and more opportunities become available. But a lot of people don't show them appreciation, a lot of people don't give them credit for that. You know what I'm saying no, they don't.

Speaker 3: 55:06

They don't. You know what I'm saying, so in a way, I agree. You're right, they did. They did what they had to do because, again, it's about survival. You're trying to figure out how you're going to survive in a country, especially your ancestors, that have been oppressed. How do you go about surviving? How do you go about making it?

Speaker 2: 55:27

What do you?

Speaker 3: 55:27

do you do what you? Can you go idealize the concept of success? We try to do that. We try to live as model citizens, right, we try to live as productive people in this society. But again, it's very hard to do so when you're constantly getting introduced to racism, institutional racism, at day.

Speaker 3: 55:55

You know what I'm saying and when you constantly receive backlashes, criticism or whatnot like, let me give you a second. Look at the sister. Look at what happened to the sister over there at Lincoln University. She ended up taking her own life. This woman was a president okay, wow, yeah, I think she was the vice president over there at Lincoln University. She ended up taking her own life. This woman was a president okay, yeah, I think she was the vice president over there at Lincoln University. She ended up taking her own life because, for one, the guy that's the president or that's over Lincoln University, he's a white guy. He's a white guy, not Now.

Speaker 3: 56:28

Lincoln University is an HBCU, by the way, but it's ran by a white dude. Okay, you know, she done did everything. University is an HBCU, by the way, but it's ran by a white dude. Okay, you know, she done did everything she was supposed to do. She done went to college. I think she went to HBCU, if I'm not mistaken. But she done went to college, got her degree, did all the things that she was supposed to do. That was necessary, but because this man is in a position of power and he made her feel like she was bullied and she was disrespected, and she. You know what I'm saying. She felt like she was beneath him. What did she do? She said I can't take this anymore. She complained about him harassing her and bullying her, but nothing was really done. So it put her in a state of deep depression, which that ended up causing her to take her own life. Now we must question ourselves what is black excellence? What does that look like? See, we got people that throw the word black excellence around.

Speaker 2: 57:22

That's a fact. They do.

Speaker 3: 57:24

What does that look like? So you're telling me black excellence is only when I get a degree and when I graduate, and when I work a certain job field or get into a certain type of career. That's black excellence. What about those who wake up in the morning and be able to feed their family, go in the kitchen and cook something to eat? That's not black excellence. Is it not black excellence to know that you made it home without worry about the police pulling you over and you losing your life? That's not black excellence. Exactly much stress and not getting fired or, you know, say, having to quit, but you can come home and still be at peace and be able to pay your bills and all of that. That's not black excellence that is black excellence right.

Speaker 3: 58:23

But you're telling me black excellence is only equal to when it comes to getting a degree right or getting some type of trade. To me, that's black conceptualism. You tell me, black excellent is excellent when you have a million dollars or you're a billionaire. No, to me that's black conceptualism.

Speaker 2: 58:42

That's black conceptualism not black excellence Keep cooking sis. Now that's a fact what you said, because we do say that. You know, I see that a lot, especially online Black excellence goals and everything else. You know how those commercials are. Like you said, you have a degree, this person's a 14,500. But you don't see the regular day, the regular everyday Joe or sister out there. That's, you know, raising a sister, raising a story, raising a family alone.

Speaker 3: 59:06

A father doing community work. A father, yeah, A father doing community work, taking their time out of their day, people who are activists, community after me. I ain't talking about the ones that be on tv or getting a commercial advertising that al sharp attends on jesse jesson on a who I'm talking about those who are literally doing the work in the community, and they putting their life on the line.

Speaker 2: 59:30

These individuals, that's black excellence.

Speaker 3: 59:33

Yeah, they deal with health issues right. They don't have enough money, but they care enough about their community to get involved and help those around. I know some people personally.

Speaker 3: 59:46

I know some people personally. You know what I'm saying. Who were activists, right? These individuals. They didn't have enough money. You know what I'm saying. Who were activists, right? These individuals. They didn't have enough money. You know what I'm saying. They had health issues. They were running in and out of the hospital but guess what? They didn't allow them to stop them from doing community work. And those individuals, they passed on.

Speaker 2: 1:00:02

Yep.

Speaker 3: 1:00:03

Right, they made a transition Exactly, but these individuals don't get credit Individuals. Like those people, they don't receive credit. They don't get credit Individuals like those people.

Speaker 2: 1:00:15

They don't receive credit, they don't get celebrated, they're not celebrated.

Speaker 3: 1:00:17

So I mean come on now. I mean again, don't get me wrong, I'm all for my people doing well in the community. I am all for it, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 1:00:25

I want to see my people excel. I want to see my people, you know, make it out the inner city, Make it out the ghetto. Go out there and be somebody. Don't forget where you come from. Don't forget about those who are really trying, who are doing their best. Don't discredit those people. Don't overlook those individuals. Just focus on those at the top. Have you noticed those who get on the top of the ladder? They forget about everybody else.

Speaker 1: 1:00:54

That's where the class?

Speaker 3: 1:00:55

is coming in Because now you got a situation where you got the upper. Black folks don't want to have nothing to do with the poor black people and all the time they want to be with the poor black people when they want consumer shill.

Speaker 2: 1:01:07

I call them the uppity Negroes, the ones that be the uber ones. You know what I'm saying. Those are the ones that be the uber ones be you know what I'm saying. Those are the ones that I say have been colonized, europeanized to their standards, but they look down like you know, regular people they be like you know.

Speaker 3: 1:01:20

Right but wait a minute. Hold on, wait a minute now. This is the funny part. But they imitate what those people do in the hood Of course. You're imitating, you're carrying on the characteristic, you're carrying on the mannerism right.

Speaker 2: 1:01:38

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:01:38

You're using the catchphrases.

Speaker 2: 1:01:40

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:01:41

But you're making fun of them.

Speaker 2: 1:01:42

Of course.

Speaker 3: 1:01:43

Wait a minute and then you talk about oh and I've seen some black folks do this Talking about how other black folks they use e-bonnets are not speaking correct english.

Speaker 2: 1:01:57

This thing, other try to call themselves correcting people. Right, you're talking about the other line.

Speaker 3: 1:02:00

I was, I was in your life. You're talking about that. Yeah, let's not forget those black people. Oh, they quit to tell you that. Well, you know you're not speaking correct english, yada, yada. But I bet you, when you listen to that song on the radio, you repeating everything they say exactly correct english behind closed, behind closed doors, be sucking on that turkey neck bone that song on the radio.

Speaker 2: 1:02:13

You repeating everything they say Exactly. They don't use the correct English Behind closed doors. Be sucking on that turkey neck bone and all that.

Speaker 3: 1:02:18

Right, exactly, but you got to believe that because somebody use Ibanis, that they lack intelligence, of course. So right there, you have shown that you have the mindset of those that are in the white supremacy. You know what I'm saying? Because that's the mindset they had. As a matter of fact, that's the mindset they had towards other white folks. So you carry on that mindset and perpetuate that towards your own people Because you feel like, oh, because you know correct English or you speak standard English, now you are automatically better than those individuals down here at the bottom. But I bet you, those individuals over here, know more than you. They know how to use their hands better than you Survive, they don't.

Speaker 2: 1:02:59

But I wanted to add to what you said, though, like when you said the ghetto, right, no, you're good, you're good Because you're on fire. The ghetto, like I like to say, is like it's a state of mind, you understand, because people, people, they assume that you know, as you say, one may carry them, carry on like that and speak like that. They will assume that you're not educated in your ghetto, and I and I say damn, factly wrong with that, because I'm it's far from being ghetto, because most, most of the most intelligent people I have met are from the inner cities. There are a lot of talented people within the inner city that that become great businessmen. There are great teachers, effective communicators, and they have. These people are so brilliant. It's just that they don't have the resources to get what they have to get. But if you stay around them for a few minutes, you pick up a lot from them.

Speaker 3: 1:03:57

Exactly Right. And then I could go so far and say like stem, for example, I advocate for stem. You know science, technology, engineering, mathematics. That's very important. We use that a lot in our community. Whether we know it or not, we use them I mean I can give you some example when you playing cars, right, you rolling dice, that's stem, that's mathematics, because when you're rolling, dice you're dealing with probability right.

Speaker 3: 1:04:14

Yeah yeah, we call it C-load. You know what I'm saying. I'll call it craft shooting crafts. You know, when people like you'll see a lot of hood mechanics working on cars. That's engineering, because you're dealing with transmission motor and you're dealing with yeah, you're dealing with the engine and all of that, everything, yeah, and then we can go so far to say I know, I know, I know where we're going with that.

Speaker 2: 1:04:42

But yeah, Mathematics, you know you're in the kitchen and you're doing your thing.

Speaker 3: 1:04:46

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:04:48

I got one example the number run-ins. There's some people who are mathematicians with the numbers. They will come up with these, right, you know what I'm saying. These methods on if this number come out today, tomorrow will be this number. They'll be doing the mathematics and I'm like damn, this person could be a statistician, like you know. You're so Right.

Speaker 3: 1:05:06

Yeah, but the ones that, yeah, and the ones do their thing and trapping, you know trapping. You could call them chemists. You know what I'm saying, because you know they do their thing. You know what I mean. I ain't got to explain.

Speaker 2: 1:05:20

Turn water into wine. Let's just leave it at that. They're turning water into wine.

Speaker 3: 1:05:24

Right, exactly Because that's chemistry, because you're dealing with organic compounds you know what I'm saying. You're dealing with, you know, evaporation and all of that. So that's a form of chemistry, right there. So I'm saying this to say that, either way it go, we are practicing STEM. We just don't call it STEM, you know what I'm saying. We just call it a hustle or survival or whatever, but it's STEM, you know, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:05:47

Exactly. So what do you think would be one of the many like give me like example of solutions that could actually help the people in terms of overcoming this the trauma of slavery and prejudice and atrocities that we have encountered within America and abroad for our people?

Speaker 3: 1:06:12

Okay, I always say this the number one thing education, education. And I'm not just talking about just going to school. Well, you know, go to your local library. You know what I'm saying. Study about the history of your ancestors. You know what I mean. You can get you a library card for free. You know what I'm saying. Go to the library, get that and study psychology. If you can study psychology, learn the basics of psychology, that's the most important thing, because you're going to understand why our people have the mindset they have.

Speaker 3: 1:06:43

You know what I'm saying that's the most important thing. Everybody likes to study spirituality, which I advocate for spirituality, but psychology is the most important part of it. Understand the psychological behavior of why you are in the state that you're in Exactly. Study politics, you got to understand the political system.

Speaker 2: 1:07:06

Exactly.

Speaker 3: 1:07:08

Somebody put the trivium and quatrivium. Yes, yes, that too. But the trivium and quatrivium, yeah, yeah, that too. Also, we need to have a group therapy. When I say group therapy like a social group, yeah, we do need that. Where men, and particularly black men, can sit down amongst each other and talk about the issue that goes on with them. You know the traumatic situation that's taking place. Especially Brother Run had mentioned something about what goes on in our household.

Speaker 2: 1:07:39

That's important, that's most important.

Speaker 3: 1:07:41

There you go, sociology. I'm glad you brought that up, sociology.

Speaker 2: 1:07:45

He's on fire. Shout out to Richard, to Brother Neal Bay.

Speaker 3: 1:07:51

IRR Because we have to deal with what's going on in the household and there's a lot of trauma that could be taking place at home or the environment that a person's home in.

Speaker 3: 1:08:03

So people think, well, whatever happens in somebody's house, that's their business. Yeah, but no. Yes, it is personal, but at the same time it can also affect a community. And this is what Umar Johnson said, which I agree with him. He said that, you know, whatever happens in the house can also affect the community as well, because that child will bring all their trauma, all their anger outside to their environment.

Speaker 2: 1:08:31

Exactly.

Speaker 3: 1:08:33

And pass it on down to individuals.

Speaker 2: 1:08:35

I was saying that earlier too, tiff, not to cut you, I was saying that earlier. In the inner cities, a lot of us may have come from broken homes, and a broken home is not always having one parent. You can have both parents and your home can still be broken. Right, like you said, you're dealing with the psychology. You're dealing with psychology. There's different forms of abuse, and a child first teaches are the parents, especially the mother, but it's really the parents. So can you imagine, in the express the emotions, how to process certain things? They already got a chip on their shoulders. Then you got to think about the elders that were there before them have a chip on their shoulders. It's a perpetual cycle that's going. What's being taught? Everybody's out of their right mind. It's all chaos. We do need to advocate, as you mentioned, more psychology. We need therapy sessions.

Speaker 3: 1:09:30

Yeah, exactly, you know what I'm saying. Write a passage. We gotta have that. That's another issue. We lack right of passage that's a fact we lack right of passage. You know, if we had that we would be able to have that foundation that we need. You know because you know in our community we have the have the family, the biological family, then you have the blended family, then you have the extended family. Then you have somebody that's an elder, in particular, that is respected Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying Right.

Speaker 3: 1:10:06

That is revered and that imparts wisdom to the young ones, to the children in the neighborhood Right. Wisdom to the young ones, to the children in the neighborhood right. You know that elder is someone that most of everybody respect and they'll listen to.

Speaker 2: 1:10:22

Exactly.

Speaker 3: 1:10:23

If we bring that back. Imagine how balanced we will be If we bring right of passage. Imagine how balanced we will be as a people because we have right of passage. How balanced we would. We would be as a people because we have right of passage. Right, we have group therapy and we wouldn't have to worry about paying a whole bunch of money to go see a professional therapist. Okay, and let's just say we got somebody in our community that is a therapist. That person that's in our community, that's a therapist can say you know what, let me go back to my neighborhood, let me go back to my own environment and let me start a group session once a month or twice a week to where we all can sit down, we all can talk about our problems. Men can have their own group session, women can have their own group session. The men and women can come together and have a group session.

Speaker 2: 1:11:10

You know what it's. So true, I agree with that 100%, but we do have that. But it's overlooked. And let me say it again because I don't want to bang on the religious people. If they really stuck to their doctrine and I'm talking about the Christians. When they say Christ left his mom and she says she found him at the father's temple when he was 12 years old, he's like yo, you're not my mom. Whatever the case may be, I'm teaching my people at 12 that that right there could be considered a uh, a formal rite of passage. You know, however they put it to, you know, through divine intervention whatsoever. But I agree with you so much because the rite of passage in our community is that and I hate I I might catch flack for this is when a mother has X amount of children in poverty, she would say well, one of them is going to get me out the ghetto. You get what I'm saying Right? Or a father that choose not to be responsible. That's not a rite of passage. That right there is. You're putting a burden.

Speaker 3: 1:12:11

That's a problem right there, and that's a burden right there, and that's a problem especially to a black male. Um, as I mentioned, on my show when you, when you're a single mother especially, and you have boys in the household and you're expecting them to take on that responsibility as a father or as the husband duty, you're taking away their ability to be able to have a average life as a child.

Speaker 3: 1:12:38

You're taking away their childhood, because now they got to step up and take on the responsibility. Now some of them going to volunteer and say, hey, mama, I'm going to help you out because, I'm trying and I see you doing your best.

Speaker 3: 1:12:49

I want to be able to help you. You don't say you got kids that do that. But when the mother say I'm going to make you take on this responsibility S-Y-Z. Or if you pass that responsibility down on your daughter to do your motherly duties or be that woman of the household now you're putting a lot of stress on them. That's where the arrested development comes in, because there's a cutoff stage.

Speaker 2: 1:13:14

That's a fact.

Speaker 3: 1:13:16

And they cannot get past that stage because they had to grow up two-faced.

Speaker 2: 1:13:22

That's crazy.

Speaker 3: 1:13:24

That's very common. That's very common.

Speaker 2: 1:13:27

It is common and it's unfortunate, but you know, this is why I said earlier as well, we're constantly put in a position, where we come from, to constantly focus on surviving. It's never like actually to live life. You know, to grow gradually in stages you get what I'm saying To process things and learn. It's always survival, survival, survival. But I want to say this before we wrap it up this was very vital and we need, we needed you here, we need the sisters to expand on these things and I appreciate you so much.

Speaker 3: 1:14:02

I came a little later, all right, but I want to share some books.

Speaker 3: 1:14:05

I always like to share books now go ahead, share, do that, do that so I don't know if I had shared some earlier, but I mean what share some before? But I would like to recommend some books to people, so of course I shared this book before in the past. The Science of Self book, man, god and the Mathematical Language of Nature, written by Supreme Understanding and Seabed's A Life of Law. That's one of my personal favorite books because it gets into science, and not only gets into science but it also talks about, you know, just the human, the meaning of the science itself.

Speaker 3: 1:14:44

You know what I'm saying Because you really understand what knowledge itself is. So if you really want to get to understand about STEM and all of that, this is the book that I recommend. This, if you really want to get to understand about STEM and all of that, this is the book that I recommend. This book right here Is called Black Elders the Meaning of Age, and American Slavery and Freedom.

Speaker 1: 1:15:02

Alright.

Speaker 3: 1:15:05

Yeah, this book is written by Frederick C Knight and I actually got a chance to meet this author. Yeah, this book Just basically talks about Thehip, the importance of having elderships and whatnot. This one some of y'all may be familiar with it. Some of y'all may not have heard of this.

Speaker 2: 1:15:25

Let the Circle Be Broken.

Speaker 3: 1:15:27

Yeah, Let the Circle.

Speaker 2: 1:15:27

Be Unbroken by Malimba Aani.

Speaker 3: 1:15:29

Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:15:31

By.

Speaker 3: 1:15:31

Malimba Aani. I need, okay, I need. So you know she talks about, you know, the importance of having spirituality, uh, understanding African culture and how to be able to build up the community and be able to navigate around the concept of of you know, cultural importance and spirituality. And then, um, I was reading a book. Right, let me see. This is by Bell Hooks. It's called Salvation, black People and Love. So she talks about, you know, black people and the concept of love and whatnot. She also has another book that deals with just give me one quick second, with Just give me one quick second.

Speaker 2: 1:16:15

What do you think she's giving you out? Books? People go out there and pick them up If you haven't read them. It's important, being that she's looking for books, I'm going to give some books for the people as well. I got some books here, pardon me.

Speaker 3: 1:16:36

So this book right here is called the Will to Change Me and my Community of Love, by Bell Hooks.

Speaker 2: 1:16:41

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:16:43

This is a pretty deep book and let me tell you why it's so deep. So you know, bell Hooks had passed away in 2021. She passed on. She was a feminist.

Speaker 3: 1:16:54

However, what's interesting, she wrote this because she knows how patriarchal system, the system that we are in, has caused damage, especially with the black male and black females relationship, etc. Um, and she pretty much gave her critique on the feminist movement and she never received backlash from other feminists because she wanted to focus on, she wanted to talk about, you know, the issues that male had deal with as far as, like, being victims, as far as you know, those who grew up in a abusive household, those who have been incarcerated, et cetera. She wanted to put some focus on that, but the other feminists told her, like they kind of just gave her a look like, oh, you want to talk about this? Nah, I don't know, girlfriend, I don't know Cause. See, we ain't with that.

Speaker 3: 1:17:54

See, as a matter of fact, I'm going to give you a good example. I'm going to give you a good, good, good example in this book. Let me give you a good example. She said this Watch this. She said feminist thinkers like myself who wanted to include men in a discussion were usually were usually labeled male, identified and dismissed. We were sleeping with the enemy. We were the feminists who could not be trusted because we cared about the fate of men. We were the feminists who did not believe in female superiority any more than we believe in male superiority. And she said, as the feminist movement progressed, the fact became evident that sexism and sexist exploitation and oppression would not change unless men were also deeply engaged and feminist resisting. Yet most women were still expressing no genuine interest in highlighting discussion of maleness that came from her.

Speaker 2: 1:18:53

Drop that right there. And that right there is deep, because I always tell sisters that subscribe to that feminist thing that was not an issue for women of quote-unquote color, that was a European issue for the white woman. But you know I digress, let's leave it at that.

Speaker 3: 1:19:12

And then she also said this. She said said anti-male activists were no more eager than their sexist male counterparts to emphasize the system of patriarchy and the way it works. But to do so would have automatically exposed the notion that men were all powerful and women powerless, that all men were oppressive and women always only victims. By placing the blame for the perpetuation of sexism solely on men, these women could maintain their own allegiance to patriarchy, their own lust for power. They mask their longing to be dominators by taking on the mantle of victimhood. Yeah, this came from bell hooks myself yeah, I'm gonna look for that book yeah, this is a pretty interesting book.

Speaker 3: 1:20:05

It's pretty deep. So I I was very intrigued, I was very surprised and I think a lot of people had misunderstood her as, um, identify her as being, you know, an anti-male or she hated men or whatnot. And I don't think that was the case, you know, say, I think, because she was focusing on her right as a woman and to be respected as a woman. She also wanted to bring a balance between the relationship with men and women. You know what I'm saying. So, uh, yeah, that's that. And this book right here it's kind of it's fictional, but it relates to the concept about slavery and, um, you know, african people as far as like how the transatlantic slave trade took place. This one's called children of blood and bone by tommyinyemi.

Speaker 2: 1:20:52

Children. All right, I'm going to check those out. I'm going to look back and grab those books, definitely.

Speaker 3: 1:20:56

Tami Adinyemi. Yes, so the sister herself. She's of Nigerian background, I think her family is Yoruba, but she was born here in America. But the way she wrote this book it's like she's telling a story about the Transatlantic slave trade, but using it in a petitional manner. You know what I'm saying. Like, using, you know, sci-fi, yeah, but it's a pretty deep book. I got a chance to read it. I didn't read all the pages, but I read enough to say wow, this book is pretty deep. It goes in.

Speaker 2: 1:21:25

Definitely. I'm going to add one thing before we bounce. This is one book right here. I was hoping you would pick this up. Amos Wilson, yeah, self-hatred, the Psychology of Self-Hatred and Self-Defeat Towards a Reclamation of the African Mind by Amos and Wilson.

Speaker 3: 1:21:43

Oh yeah, I love Dr Amos Wilson, I love his lecture.

Speaker 2: 1:21:46

He's one of my top favorites. There's a book I'm trying to get from him the Strategy of Black Power. I'm trying to get from him the Strategy of Black Power. I'm trying to find it. I've been looking online. When I get a chance to find it.

Speaker 3: 1:21:56

You're talking about Blueprint.

Speaker 2: 1:21:58

Yeah, the Blueprint of Black Power.

Speaker 3: 1:22:00

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:22:01

If you got the hookup, let me know. You know what I'm saying, but definitely I'm looking to get that book because I think it's very important to get people back in the right state of mind and it's not a I want those to understand. Having pride within your ethnicity or your race, your group, doesn't mean you have to be anti-white or anti-anything. Don't get it mixed up, people. It's about having self-love. Before we get up out of here, I just want to say nothing but love for you, Tiffany. I appreciate you, my sister, for coming through.

Speaker 3: 1:22:32

Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2: 1:22:34

You always come through and I appreciate you. You were on fire. You were on fire for real. Shout out to the panel Awareness Daily, irr, everyone else you know, arnil Bay. We appreciate y'all. This is the NYP family. Shout out to my brother, ron, he's having some internet issues. Nothing but love for you guys. We'll keep you guys in tune. What's going on? Keep on watching, keep on listening, keep on downloading, subscribe, share, comment. All that good stuff and we out no-transcript.