Unpacking the Hidden Impacts of Marijuana Legalization and Fentanyl in Urban Communities

Can marijuana legalization carry hidden incentives that affect our urban communities? Join Ron Brown, LMT, Mikey Fever, and special guest Brother R Neal Bay as we unpack this controversial topic and its multifaceted impacts on society. We dig into the rising drug use within hip-hop culture, examining how influential figures like Rick Ross and Nas subtly acknowledge our platform's efforts while addressing the ethical responsibilities of celebrities today. Brother R Neal Bay shares his invaluable insights on the Moorish Science Temple of America, shedding light on a perspective seldom seen online.

Moving forward, we tackle the increasingly complex landscape of marijuana and designer drug use. What's driving the trend toward stronger, tampered strains, and how is this influencing our youth? Our discussion highlights the normalization of drug use through legal dispensaries, contrasting past and present attitudes towards these substances. We consider the darker side of this trend: self-medication or escapism in the face of modern social pressures, and the problematic allure of designer drugs that promise an elusive sense of relief.

Finally, we confront the pressing issue of the fentanyl epidemic devastating urban America. Through personal stories and regional insights from places like Southern Illinois and the Bronx, we examine the catastrophic effects of fentanyl-laced substances. We also trace the historical context of drug abuse, from the Vietnam War era to modern-day struggles with homelessness, mental health, and economic instability. This emotional and urgent conversation underscores the need for community awareness and a robust support system to combat these life-threatening challenges.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

What's going on, everybody? It's Ron Brown, lmt, the People's Fitness Professional, alongside my co-host, mikey Fever, and this is the New Yorker's Perspective. We got the brother R Neal Bay, the early. Nyp brother who helped us. He helped us from the very beginning. Man. Still, the biggest interview on our platform right now. It's like 13,000 views, 13,000 views.

Speaker 3: 0:29

Hey, you brothers cooking though. Man with Brother Sharif on here. Yeah, man, look, do y'all know how much of a blessing that is for others as well? Yeah, whether they say it or not, because everybody only seen more Science. Temple of America. From a cop perspective, they never heard this type of information Ever, ever, not online, not on TikTok, not on Facebook, not on MySpace, not on Ever. So y'all gotta know what y'all doing. Man Been to work. Y'all about to do with Sheik7 and his platform. Yeah, man the work. Y'all about to do with Sheik 7 and his platform yeah, man, that's peace.

Speaker 2: 1:07

Salute to those brothers, man.

Speaker 3: 1:08

Salute to Cherie earth on the call man, dr Inky. Come on, man.

Speaker 3: 1:16

What's the other brother who been teaching on mental health and then Dr Dyer, paul Dyer, yeah man so y'all doing y'all work and guess what it might be 15 or 20 years down the line it'd be a certain video that somebody would go back to. And the reason I say that I'm saying I'm doing it with Hakeem Bay stuff he put out in 83 and 93 and 97. They just now on TikTok or YouTube just getting the information. 93 and 97, they just now on TikTok or YouTube just getting information.

Speaker 2: 1:49

That's important.

Speaker 3: 1:52

Thank you, man. Keep doing what y'all doing, man, because it's like it's a certain trend and everybody trying to keep up with certain other people right now, but when it's time and it's time to get into it. I know they're hearing about NYP Talk, I know they are.

Speaker 2: 2:11

I know they are. They come on other shows, but they know who we are.

Speaker 3: 2:17

I know, they know, they know, and sometimes I was just sharing on Power Platform. I said sometimes when we put this information out there, it never comes back like oh, I got that from NYP Talk, or I got that from Arnil Bay, or I got that from Aboriginal Power or whoever they got it from a Citadel or Sharif, or it never look prime example. And I'm going to say this and I'm not trying to big up myself when Rick Ross said I'm rolling up a leaf and big ups to Noble Drew Ali, this was like the same exact time I was working out there in Miami in Club Live and everybody used to call me the uh, the Muslim. Rick Ross, you know what I'm saying. I'm in there with my fans on doing security and promoting. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 3:15

But when I heard him say that, I said, man, cause I used to send stuff over to his table and stuff and what I found out to reach them. You'd never go directly to them, you always go to their business manager. So I just do a duel out there for everybody Kevin Gates, all of them go to their business manager and that's what I did with him. But he never gave me a shout-out. But I heard him on Meek Mill's song and some lawyers didn't like it because they took it as a form of disrespect and said Noble, drew Ali didn't smoke or drink. But he took it as a form of disrespect and said Noble, charlie didn't smoke a drink. But he said I'm rolling up my leaf and big ups to Noble through our leaf. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 3:49

I see, I guess.

Speaker 3: 3:50

I knew exactly. Then I said man, all that I had did and it had went viral. This year I, uh, I was doing security for delicious. Yeah, I remember from flavor play. Yeah, well, anyway, y'all remember from Flavor.

Speaker 2: 4:01

Flay.

Speaker 3: 4:02

Yeah, well, anyway, it was some drunk dude we was outside of. It was Thursday night we was outside of. It was called Story In Miami. They got Story. So we was outside of Story and she was, you know, doing her promoting herself, and she didn't have to stand in the line but she wanted to be out there to network with people a little bit those who had to stand in line. But anyway, some dude walked up.

Speaker 3: 4:29

I'm just taking him as an average guy, I'm on security, you know what I'm saying. He drunk and she's like no, no, no, Don't be so harsh with him. You know, I'm standing on him right and I told him him, and it went viral. I was like look, and it's on her page, but she got so much stuff up there now. But anyway, I was like look, brother, I asked you to do such and such, and if you don't, I'm going to have to touch you and Rick Ross down at the bottom of her post, like now, that's mighty. You see what I'm saying, but he never reached out to me, never. But I knew he was following what I'm saying. But he never reached out to me, never, but I knew he was following what I was doing. Another example, is Nas Nas been in Chicago to sit down with the stones, sit down with Moorish American Muslims leaders? You know trying to network Jay-Z, but it gets to what we're talking about. All of them got their hands in the pot with the devil.

Speaker 2: 5:27

Business associates. Yeah, you know certain things. You know bylaws and stuff like that, business compliance ethics certain things you know.

Speaker 3: 5:41

All of them are talking to our children and they're teaching them to use drugs. Remember Ross was talking about Molly Right and that's a date rate drug.

Speaker 1: 5:56

Yes, it is. You know what Molly kept coming up in the P Diddy conversation. They put I think Molly and champagne or some kind of alcohol. P Diddy conversation. They put I think Molly and champagne or some kind of alcohol.

Speaker 1: 6:11

And then that's when things start happening at those parties and people wake up like they didn't even know what they did. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, man, this culture hip-hop culture, I would say has become A culture of, you know, heavy drug use in the past 15 years, I would say, I mean it always had its, its marijuana, its cocaine, alcohol is cocaine, uh, alcohol, um, um, and I think I think hip-hop also. You know, when they were like, remember, hip-hop and disco were kind of like on the same path, if you will, or around the same area, and you know, in the disco era they were using quaaludes and all of that. So drugs has always been around. Hip hop, however, you know, just more recently, I would say, hip hop has become more and more. They've been talking more about drugs.

Speaker 1: 7:13

Now you're talking about as far as Southern Illinois or Illinois in general. What's going on out there as far as drug use is concerned? Do you think it's uh attributed to hip-hop culture, or do you think it's just an influx, influx of drugs going into the neighborhood due to, I don't know, like politics, you know ie, you know uh, cartels, etc correction.

Speaker 3: 7:43

You know Corruption. You know what, bro, what I'm saying from here, cause I'm saying it and Carbondale is a small college town and I ain't always been on this side of the fence. But to see what I'm saying today, brother, all of them trying to take us out every other day I can send you an article where they're catching people, husband and wives, truck driver, coming through here with fentanyl Peels. You see what I'm saying. The PERC-30s, that was loaded with fentanyl. That was all fentanyl. Let me say this the PERC-30s were.

Speaker 3: 8:25

It was never a such thing as a perk 30. Okay, I had a sister tell me that's, that was the number one trick when I had the little song on tiktok talking about papa perk 30. Well, that perk 30 is nothing but fit and all. He said it's only perk 10s and perk 15s. I still haven't googled it, but I was like that makes a little sense to me. The perk 30 was a code just to get our people into it, but it's busting their hearts wide open, brother, every other day I'm posting on uh social media youtube, facebook. Another young one who has left us from the age of 13 to the age of about 21. Overdose, right Overdose Heart exploding, busting open.

Speaker 1: 9:12

You know, a few rappers died from drug use recently, and you know I don't want to say the wrong thing, you know, because you know the internet is tough on people who say the wrong thing. However, I'm going to just go out and say it. But Gangsta Boo, didn't she die of some kind of drug use? Come on, though, talk to us. There's a young sister, 26 years old. I heard about that one, gucci Mane's artist. I forgot her name.

Speaker 3: 9:42

Yeah, they're doing a. They're trying to do autopsy on her now to see was it drug related. Oh, we don't know yet. Yeah, we don't know yet, but we're pretty sure you know. It's sad to say. Look y'all, I was talking to our brother Iman, brother Iman Kareem here and brother Abdul-Haq. They said the 60s and the 70s they used to do drugs. They said, brother, what they're doing to these drugs now, never heard of. Like they said they used to do the mushrooms they used to do. It was one of them. They said I think it was the oxy or something. He says it's got a little thing in it and that's the only thing you want in it. It's a little pill. But all this stuff that they're doing to it now they're they're lacing it so they're out of their mind for days.

Speaker 2: 10:30

But they have to question that because to me, from my, from my perspective, yes, sir, when they legalize the use of marijuana in the city, I said that marijuana is hybrid. It's not naturally hybrid mixed with other strains, it's something that they put in there, it has been tampered with, it's tainted, and they allow you to smoke this and this right here could have some damage down the line, because there's no way that they'll make something like that legal. We already know that they have incarcerated many of our people for that. But now to legalize it, there's some kind of incentive for them on the back end and not to get all conspiracy, you know. No, you're crazy.

Speaker 2: 11:09

You know the use of, as Ron said, the use of drugs has always been part of the entertainment you understand From back then from blue things. Heroin you know smoking a little marijuana here and there. Cocaine you know cocaine been around since the times of the old world, the 1800s where you had these old royal families that were dealing cocaine, shipping from Asia to Europe and stuff. So now within our community. It's just promoted more. You understand. They consider it the fast life Designer drugs, that's what they call it.

Speaker 3: 11:43

Yeah, designer drugs, Yep so you know, muhammad hit on it and I hate to say his name because I used to be like man this hype he's been telling us, man and there's other studies to bear witness that secret wars, silent wars and the marijuana is one way to attack us. Mcdonald's is another way to attack us. The food.

Speaker 1: 12:10

Wesley, muhammad was saying the marijuana makes you feminine. Gay, gay.

Speaker 3: 12:17

But look like the brother just said. Think about what he just said and what our brother just shared with us. You put it together. It's making sense. But you know what people tell me about the dispensary weed, the marijuana that they get from around here? They say it don't do anything to them.

Speaker 2: 12:32

No, no, I see these young kids. They'll smoke like back then. You know I'm 40. Back then, if we all consumed weed, right, you smoke one blunt. You can have like three people smoking one, then y'all high. I'm like I'm good Nowadays. You see them, they rolling back to back. I'm like yo, what is going on?

Speaker 1: 12:48

You know what I think it is. I think with that is more of they smoke weed more now they do Than we did. Like okay, like alright, I used to smoke a lot of weed back in the days, a lot of weed back in the days. And the way we used to be on the block. We used to be on the block. Remember those MPV vans? Yeah, you get an MPV. Remember you could put an MPV on call. Yeah, you could put an MPV on call, get in a ride and you could smoke in the back.

Speaker 1: 13:22

You, could smoke with the driver. So we in the MPV getting high as hell, passing the blood around, passing the blood around, passing the blood around right, Until you fried Now, once you do that one night.

Speaker 2: 13:38

It's straight.

Speaker 1: 13:39

The next night is like.

Speaker 2: 13:41

Nah, I'm good bro, I think it's so Nah, I'm good bro. I think, brothers.

Speaker 1: 13:45

It's so Because the dispensaries are around all over the place and you don't have to get it from the block or get it from your mans or some kind of hole in the wall. I think they're smoking more now. They are.

Speaker 3: 14:01

Too much. And what you just said. They try to live that every day. They want their car to be smoked out every day. They want to smell like loud when they walk into a restaurant. You know, this is what they do every day, brothers. It's a mentality, it's a sick mentality.

Speaker 1: 14:19

Now my question is where did it come from? That's what I want to know.

Speaker 2: 14:24

That's a good one.

Speaker 1: 14:26

Because we could say hip-hop, but you can't blame it all on hip-hop.

Speaker 2: 14:32

No, you can't. I think they're trying to escape a reality, trauma, self-medicating you don't think it just makes them look cool. That part too.

Speaker 1: 14:44

In the in crowd. You know, what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 14:48

Take off the edge off them. Some of them probably have like social anxieties. They don't know how to cope with reality.

Speaker 1: 14:54

Well, I don't know about that Cause. When I, when I used to smoke, I get paranoid, paranoid.

Speaker 3: 14:59

You get paranoid. I'm going to tell you the Ron's part is shadow boxing Ron.

Speaker 1: 15:05

I'm going to tell you the.

Speaker 2: 15:06

Ron's part is shadowboxing. Ron, my man be yeah, he saw me before. I'm like what is he doing? I still laugh at that. I'm like what was he doing? Because I just want to chill my man's like.

Speaker 3: 15:16

See, that's different. That's got to be a different strain because you shadowboxing most people. Now I'm going to keep it real with y'all most of these people they smoke in their rapper stuff, the Zod. I think that Zod stuff is the designer drug, the rapper drug, and I think that's exactly what you're talking about, brother and Wesley Muhammad. But Dr Sabie was talking about what they call the low, the, what they don, the loaves, the, what they don't smoke. None of that stuff. They say that's like nothing to them.

Speaker 2: 15:52

They call that a hymn. You know how in New York some dudes be like I smoke regular greens? They be like nah man, that's weak bro, that gives me a headache. I need that strong stuff. Remember Moon Rocks? Yep, moon Rocks, look Moon, that gives me a headache I need that, that strong stuff like remember moon rocks?

Speaker 3: 16:06

yep, oh, moon rocks. Look, moon rocks is so hot around here. Now, these guys running around here, I mean it's crazy. Yes, it's hot here, see how. You see how new york it's an old thing in new york, it's hot in the midwest yeah, moon rocks.

Speaker 2: 16:22

I'm like that's like what-something plus THC. I'm like yo, what are you smoking, bro See?

Speaker 3: 16:27

For what reason you want all that?

Speaker 2: 16:31

That means you're about to do cracks man.

Speaker 1: 16:32

I think people don't have direction, or what have you? I know when I used to smoke weed, right.

Speaker 2: 16:41

Oh yeah, I'm not a big weed smoker, but back when I smoked I mean I was a dude In smoke but back when I smoked I'm honest with you, in my 20s I'll smoke like in a month or a year like I'll smoke two blunts a month.

Speaker 1: 16:50

That was it, man in my 20s I was high every day almost bro ever yo, but that's, that's why I have like.

Speaker 3: 17:04

So we gotta tell them they gotta grow their own, because if not, you might end up being exactly what Wesley Muhammad say, walking around with don't know why. Or like my brother just said now you ready to go to crack and the crack and all that stuff is laced with fentanyl, but you don, and all that stuff is laced with fentanyl.

Speaker 2: 17:27

But you don't think the weed is laced with fentanyl. I could be reaching for that. You don't think they see?

Speaker 3: 17:31

that no, you're not reaching. I actually just took a class and in the class they're teaching us. If someone calls the line and say a gun prevention class and counseling class, someone calls the line and say, hey, I think I just smoked fentanyl, and they say it smells like burnt popcorn. Burnt popcorn, right, burnt popcorn. They said 9 out of 10, that's fentanyl. Raise the windows up, do not go to sleep and call the police on yourself.

Speaker 2: 18:04

Wow, it's that serious out. Wow, it's that serious out here now.

Speaker 3: 18:06

It's that serious right now in Southern Illinois, illinois, midwest.

Speaker 2: 18:13

It's like that in many urban areas in America. Because I was working at this agency that deal with displaced children and I remember this guy gave me an article this was in the Bronx and alone in one from the beginning of the pandemic, from say, march until August of that year, there was about 5,000 overdoses or fentanyl and I was like what is going on?

Speaker 1: 18:46

Yo, that's like wow bro.

Speaker 2: 18:48

In the Bronx there's one area like the third, you know, third ave area and I was like what's the prevention that they're taking to keep these people from taking this? And how did fentanyl get into our community? And then I started talking to this guy who did some time in prison. He was explaining to me what fentanyl was. It's what people used to call back then China white Cocaine. Certain regions, afghan and other places like Asia they grow the poppy seeds. Some places they're synthetic poppy seeds that they had called China white, which is chemicals, but it has the same effect of getting you high. He said that's what fentanyl is. I'm like what? That's what it is. Wow, crazy bro.

Speaker 3: 19:34

In a year it's becoming like at least twice out of the week in Illinois you're hearing about some baby who lost their life from fentanyl. It's crazy.

Speaker 1: 19:48

My question to you, brothers, is where is the fentanyl coming from? That's what I learned. What country would this come from?

Speaker 3: 19:58

Our government, I hate to say it. Our government got to have their hand somewhere in the cookie jar. Y yo you say who? Our government? Because if it's coming from a country, then CIA, DEA, FBI, something like that, gotta be involved.

Speaker 2: 20:14

They done it before the whole crack thing? Yeah, they done it before.

Speaker 3: 20:17

Secret wars, silent wars. I'm not trying to be, like my brother said, conspiracy theory, I'm not trying to throw that out there, but it's a war against us, the true Americans. I mean, you can see it, and it's killing their children too, though.

Speaker 2: 20:34

Yes.

Speaker 3: 20:36

It's killing, just like the COVID. Everything we've seen with COVID Since COVID I've been getting a little bit more conscious of. And, brother Ron, I think I sent you a video of another tent area that we got to destroy. Did you get that?

Speaker 1: 20:49

Yeah, I got that.

Speaker 3: 20:50

We're destroying tent areas Because, if you allow them, at first I had someone in my backyard. That's why I had to get dogs and put dogs in my backyard, because they just find an open area and they just go put a tent in your area Pinch a tent.

Speaker 2: 21:08

I seen that yesterday in the city. See, yeah, people pinch their tents everywhere.

Speaker 3: 21:12

We're tearing them down. We don't want it in our community because now we're locked. Look, I can remember 10 to 15 years ago here in Carbondale Illinois, I didn't lock a door. I never had to lock my door in Carbondale Illinois, I didn't lock a door. I never had to lock my door in Carbondale. Now, today, I better lock that door if I'm leaving when I come in, because you don't know, the town is so small where everybody knew everybody and everybody always trusted everyone. I mean from Carbonell to Murfreesboro, to all these little small town 20,000, some people here probably got 10,000, 30,000 over there. You see what I'm saying. But today it's these people. We got people here from New York. Like, what are you here for? Oh, it's a recreational state, but you're homeless.

Speaker 2: 22:00

That here, for oh, it's a recreational state, but you're homeless. That's a government issue. Man, they doing that. I think what's happening now with the heavy drug use we can't only say hip-hop, it's environmental. Mental health plays a part. American culture, economics, yes.

Speaker 1: 22:15

My question is where does fentanyl come from? What is it exactly? Is it a plant? It's not a plant, it's a chemical. It's a chemical.

Speaker 2: 22:30

It's taking people out man. Unfortunately, that whole war on drugs, like I said, is a farce. They can stop it if they want, but they realize it brings in revenue.

Speaker 1: 22:41

Oh, fentanyl. Fentanyl is a chemical created in a lab.

Speaker 3: 22:47

See the IAFDA. There we go, you cooking yeah To Troy Americans, because, look y'all, not only is it in our community, you get a chance. Google Dearborn, michigan and the problem that they're having with Peel.

Speaker 2: 23:08

I heard about that and this other part in Pennsylvania, that town that has burnt out.

Speaker 3: 23:15

Oh, yeah, my wife did a whole little video on that and they living up and down. It's not scary.

Speaker 2: 23:22

I forgot what you were talking about, though. Yeah, we got to take a trip up there, bro. We go take a view bro.

Speaker 3: 23:29

They need help out there.

Speaker 2: 23:30

They need help out there. I seen a video with a young dude.

Speaker 1: 23:37

It's not Badlands right, no, no, there's not Badlands right, Nah nah.

Speaker 2: 23:40

There's a 16-year-old dude, that's a fiend like on the corner. Man broke my heart. Man Broke my heart, yeah.

Speaker 3: 23:47

Broke my heart, because you know why I say that there used to be people who used to leave from here to go out there, just to be high yeah there just to be high, Just to live the high life, Whatever the drug was. Again, this is American culture. You got people come from Saudi Arabia. I mean it's turned out now. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2: 24:12

bro. No sir, it's that fiend life they want to get caught up in. I don't know what it is the addiction. It's that fiend life they wanna. It's that fiend life they wanna get caught up in. I don't know what it is the addiction. It's crazy man. But we have to look back To when America was doing this To it's own soldiers During the Vietnam war With the opium, they having Coming back Hooked on drugs.

Speaker 1: 24:33

I don't think America Was doing that, though. I think they were going there and they were transporting and they were a part of the whole scene and they were just picking the drugs up, I don't think. And it was being. Oh yeah, you might be right.

Speaker 2: 24:50

They were. They were part of it bro.

Speaker 3: 24:52

My co-worker was in the back and he said you're cooking, brother Ron. But he said American culture is just so freak, right that?

Speaker 4: 25:02

ain't.

Speaker 3: 25:05

They let you do whatever, equal rights.

Speaker 4: 25:10

That's what they were doing.

Speaker 2: 25:14

When the soldiers get shot. They were taking the morphine. They were taking the morphine and some of it later became the heroin. They were doing that to ease the pain and they realized you know what? A lot of people coming back hooked on this. Yeah, revenue, bro. And where did it land? Black America, harlem.

Speaker 1: 25:30

You know what I want to say. What Did the heroin or Angus have anything to do with that?

Speaker 3: 25:40

That opium issue, my guy in the back said it's not the opium, it's not the heroin, it's the fentanyl. Speak up so they can hear you.

Speaker 4: 25:49

All right, you're on camera, brother, you can point towards me. Put the camera on. Let me split it around. Yeah, I got it okay. Well, you can hold the camera okay. Yeah, we'll see you play.

Speaker 4: 26:12

Yeah, I've watched too many people that have died off the opiate and the reason they died off the opiates is because they got I I don't know what made any. I mean, like, because I personally went through not not went through it, but I, like I was addicted to the pills and to, to, to the straight prescription pills like they had to be prescription pills and I did do heroin, like either two times or three times, and I only snorted it, even though I told myself if I ever did heroin I was going to shoot it up. But luckily for me, I didn't do that, I just snorted it and it was a totally different high. Like I don't know People that want to do opiates, want to like, I guess it. I guess it makes you feel like you're back in the womb, like when you're back in your barn no, not in your barn again, but that you're cradled or whatever and I don't know.

Speaker 4: 27:09

Beast of the dragon, because I ain't done it. Yeah, it's got to be the beast of the dragon. But the problem was is fentanyl killed? Fentanyl has killed everybody. I mean, like I remember seeing, I literally haven't seen heroin, probably in at least two years, maybe more than that, probably longer than that. But when I first started seeing it it was the brown tar, like you heard back in the day.

Speaker 1: 27:36

Brown tar. Brown tar is what?

Speaker 3: 27:39

I don't even know what brown tar is.

Speaker 4: 27:41

Yeah, it looks brown, it looks like tar. Okay, Now the people that I've seen, the people that I knew that had the, because they're not even. They're cutting it with a straight. I don't know what the fuck they're cutting it with.

Speaker 3: 27:57

Oh, sorry my bad, I don't know what they're cutting it with a straight.

Speaker 4: 27:58

I don't know what the fuck they're cutting it with. Oh, sorry, my bad, I don't know what they're cutting it with, but it has to be Fentanyl, because they literally turned. I mean, remember this is I don't know because I only know because of the people that I knew but it went from the brown tar or it went from tobacco-looking to now that it looks great. Wow, oh, sorry my bad, I didn't mean to say shit. Yeah, I'm just.

Speaker 1: 28:26

Don't worry about it, don't worry about it, you're good man.

Speaker 4: 28:30

That stuff looks great and it's like what the heck is that let's clarify.

Speaker 1: 28:36

Let's clarify what's your name, brother, what's your name, zach? When's clarify?

Speaker 3: 28:39

Let's clarify what's your name, brother, what's your name? Zach, zach Zach.

Speaker 1: 28:43

When you're talking about Brown tall, you're talking about what drug exactly?

Speaker 4: 28:48

Heroin, heroin, yeah, okay, heroin, five years ago or maybe no shit. Probably I'd have to be longer than that, cause I haven't done. God, yeah, I haven't done. Yeah, actually, yeah, I haven't done. Yeah, I hadn't even seen her for at least probably four or five years. So, yeah, probably longer than that. But yeah, like like you remember when people used to talk about, or you hearing songs about, the, or the Brown Town or something like that, I don't know, there's some. Rappers.

Speaker 2: 29:18

No.

Speaker 4: 29:19

Rappers ain't rapping about, hey, we're doing. You know they're rapping about we doing lean and shit like that you know they used to talk about selling it back.

Speaker 2: 29:26

Then they used to talk about, you know, slinging it, but go ahead.

Speaker 4: 29:29

Yeah, but I mean it's not even. I mean like it should, like I mean I don't know, I don't know what they were cutting with before, but now, or at least four, I'm sure, five years until and, and and up till now, shit was gray looking.

Speaker 1: 29:47

Let me see, I can't see your face. I can't see your face.

Speaker 2: 29:49

Yeah, that is great. Now it's great looking.

Speaker 4: 29:52

So you say that it's almost whitish like it's so gray, it's whitish. Meth looks like a crystal. Meth looks like a crystal. Never done meth before in my life, ever. I'm ADHD, so that wouldn't even Meth would make me calm the fuck down. It would probably put my ass to sleep. It would probably put me to sleep. I know. No, no, I've taken, I've taken a little.

Speaker 4: 30:21

I've taken literal, like uh, pharmaceutical methamphetamine because I'm adhd, so I know what I mean. I shouldn't say I know what meth is, what is like the only time if, if I ever did do meth, it was from an ecstasy pill. But I, I've never, ever done, you know, never fucked with meth or anything like that and I only liked the. I only did the opiate pills, I only did pills and I only did that. Just for the simple fact that, if I like, because I didn't do, I guess I never did as much as everybody.

Speaker 4: 30:58

I guess I never did as much as everybody else. I mean, I had a higher tolerance than they did, but I wouldn't do as much as they did because they wanted to get to where they were nodding off. And I don't want that, because I'm ADHD already, so I'm already hyperactive. I'm already hyperactive, so I'm not trying to nod off that way it was just it was really weird how it would give it. The only reason I took the opiate pills was because it gave me euphoria and made me feel better about myself. But after that, like I don't even do any opiates now because one prices went too fucking high and just you can't trust, no, you can't trust no goddamn source it might be, Sorry, you can't, yeah.

Speaker 4: 31:39

Well, all these pills, even the pills that I, that's what I told you.

Speaker 2: 31:43

Yeah, but is it safe to say that, now that you're saying from your perspective, it seems that it has been tainted. Oh, it's been tainted.

Speaker 4: 31:54

Okay, I mean I truthfully don't know, because I never did it in the beginning. I mean I truthfully don't know because I never did it in the beginning. I mean I, yeah, like I've only at the most I probably only snorted heroin five times Is that a party drug? I don't know what that is. I don't know how you would pull that out and be like hey, you guys want to do this Right.

Speaker 4: 32:19

How do you go to sleep? No, it's not that you're going to sleep, that's just one of them hardcore drugs that we're White people would not just throw that out there. White people Me, me and other people Well, not me, other white people, other white people that talk to other white people they're not going to be like hey, dude, I got some heroin. You want to do that? No, I never fucked with cocaine because I was ADHD, so I never needed to be. I never needed an upper.

Speaker 1: 32:51

So let me ask you this so you say fentanyl have you ever had fentanyl before.

Speaker 4: 32:58

No, not on purpose. Okay, now I think I mean I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure this one pill that I took one time was uh, I'm pretty sure that it was. It was a fake pill and it was um, it was fitting all and myth-based wow okay, that's. That's when I was like I'm done with, I couldn't even fuck with. I mean even people that I know they're like yeah, I got this. I'm like nah player. I can't. Can't fuck with you because I've.

Speaker 3: 33:30

I've have you heard the story about the blue ones. Can you tell me the story about? Sorry, about the blue pill.

Speaker 4: 33:36

Blue, pink, green, what's it? You like that.

Speaker 2: 33:42

No, it wasn't you.

Speaker 4: 33:43

No, it wasn't you. No, I didn't, I didn't. No, no, they did, they did. I ain't letting that all go, ain't all that business need to be out there. They straight, they straight, they straight. I'm sure I'm cool, we good.

Speaker 2: 34:02

It's just just listening like, wow, so was it like skittles or something? How did that happen? Why does it got to be the white boy?

Speaker 4: 34:07

God damn. I don't mean to, I didn't mean to cuss twice and that thing, but I'm going to be cussing the constant. I mean, I'm not trying to, but that's just the way I am man. Yo, it's fine man, you're good. I'm not. I wasn't born and raised in the Lou, but I'm from the Lou, so oh, so you're from Louisiana. Nah no, st Louis.

Speaker 1: 34:35

Oh, st Louis, St Louis, st Louis.

Speaker 4: 34:37

St Louis, that murder capital.

Speaker 1: 34:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 4: 34:45

You want to know some funny shit? You want to know some funny shit? Okay, on my way over here, okay, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm walking across a. It's a four lane highway and that's not even a highway, but two lanes going one way, two lanes going the other way. It's weird how carbondale works, but it's a. It's 35 miles an hour. And you know, and I can, I can tell that I, I get, I, I start crossing the street. I know I got plenty of time and for some dumb reason, the two people that are in the other lanes, both cars, want to fucking start racing each other. It's so funny.

Speaker 4: 35:24

I pulled my phone out like I was just going to toss it at the one motherfucker in the window. I wasn't going to do that, but the dude closest to me fucking said some shit. I was like pull the fuck over. That's all you got to do, bitch, stop talking and pull the fuck over. You know, that's all you gotta do, bitch, stop talking and pull the fuck over. And they didn't do that. They acted like they were pulling over, but then they decided to keep driving.

Speaker 1: 35:48

So let's go back to the pills. Hold on, bro, let's go back to the pills. So, the types of pills, the types of pills. Let's talk about the types of pills. The types of pills let's talk about the types of pills. You got to agree.

Speaker 4: 36:02

Don't fuck with any pills unless you see them come out of a bottle and that they literally have exact. I mean, like it's no, no, it's so crazy with pills Because, like with pills, nowadays, these motherfuckers are stamping shit to where even. I mean, like it might look right, but you want to take it, flip it over and make sure that, like the line where you're supposed to cut it in half, that that's actually the exact spot where it should be on.

Speaker 4: 36:32

to me, I stopped fucking with pills because too many people were fucking with it and it was stupid too and it was a waste of money, but yeah that's the reason I like it.

Speaker 1: 36:44

Let's talk about that. How much are the pills?

Speaker 4: 36:46

Dude it all depends, man, I used to get them. I used to get pills for like, I used to get pills for what was it? Okay, 10 years ago I used to be able to get pills for three. I used to be able to get these one pills for three bucks. Now I could sell them for 10 if I wanted to. Now I had these other pills where I was literally only I was trading just an eighth of Rego. An eighth of Rego, so 20 bucks worth of weed for two pills, and they were 60 weed for two pills. And they were. They were, uh, 60 milligram morphine pills, and each one of those pills I could sell for 30 bucks.

Speaker 4: 37:25

Morphine is for pain, right, and that was, that was 10 years ago. Now, that shit, yeah, well, they're all for pain. But and now and that was 10 years ago, now, that was 10 years ago now that same pillow that, if I wanted, I'd be happy to find it for 30. Well, I wouldn't be happy, but other people would be. But it's just that you can't even. You can't even do it because you can't trust nobody. It's not even the fact that you can't trust nobody, you can't trust people that you trusted before, because unfortunately, it seems like when people get screwed over, they want to just pass it along. They can't just chop it up and be like, yeah, that was my bad, I got fucked so how did you?

Speaker 2: 38:06

how did you? How did you, how did you um kick the habit, how did you kick the?

Speaker 4: 38:10

you know, it wasn't worth it.

Speaker 4: 38:12

Dude, it's too much money yeah that high wasn't worth it for me and I wasn't making any because, because and because before it was about it was money, before it was like see, this is what it was. In the beginning it was all about money, having have a little bit of fun, because I wanted to, you know. And then after about three to four years then, oh shit, I got addicted to the people like I got. I was so used to having them around because I did have them around and I was selling. I mean I like I was like any pill that I got I could double up ease. I mean like it was. It was, it was an automatic double up on money, if not more like I think about this. I'm. I'm trading somebody 20 worth of weed for two 60 milligram morphine pills and one of them pills is only 30 bucks. So if I sold both of those that's 60 bucks, I just made 40 off of a 20 bag. I would have made that's what got me into it that and create, and then and then I, then I had them all around and then I, and then I got hooked and then I ended up having them all around. I always had them around and I ended up getting hooked on them and then I did.

Speaker 4: 39:28

I probably did about three to four years of being hooked and still selling, because I was still, you know, I was still making, I was, I was still making more money than I was even taking. It was still a profit. But I'd say I don't know, I don't know when I stopped, probably really really doing it. Probably, I don't know, like eight, seven, eight years ago. That's probably when I really stopped doing, when I stopped fucking with the pills. I mean, like I've fucked with them every now and then, but it's not worth it. Well, it's not that I've fucked with them, but it's just not worth it because I can't trust it and it ain't. It's not worth it.

Speaker 2: 40:17

That's good. Is it safe to say that you and um arnie obey our tommy and ghost from power? Because you was out there hustling, you remind me of tommy from power oh, dude, I'll do it.

Speaker 4: 40:32

I was slinging. I was slinging everything, except for the only thing I wanted to sling was my cock and meth.

Speaker 1: 40:43

Now, alright, so now, okay, so the different types of pills. You don't recommend anyone touching that stuff, of course.

Speaker 4: 40:53

None of them, none of them because you don't know even the tins. I mean, like you know, the Norcos, the Vicodins, the morphine, oxycontin is the worst, they're nothing but meth and fentanyl.

Speaker 3: 41:12

Hey brothers, y'all hear the price, y'all hear how cheap these things are. No, they're not cheap, they're expensive $5, $10? That must be for a price. Y'all hear how cheap these things are.

Speaker 4: 41:19

No they're not cheap, they're expensive. $5, $10? That must be for a. That's one pill, yeah, and that's a smaller pill. That's like your $5 is gonna be at the least a 10 milligram. I mean at the most a 10 milligram pill. You mean how many, I don't know, I don't fuck with them, it's just not worth it.

Speaker 1: 41:41

So how do you get hooked on these drugs? I mean like you take one and then what kind of feeling are you getting?

Speaker 4: 41:48

That's a good, that's a good. That's the one thing I have not been able to understand whatsoever, because I don't understand because I was in that situation, or don't understand because I was in that situation or I could have been. I was in that situation but I never understood how people could go from you know, like because I took pills and stuff like that, and it was just like, even though I didn't have the pills and I was jonesing for something, that didn't mean I was going to be like yeah, yeah, let's call up and let's get some age, I, I, I never understood how people uh, what's the word? Uh, justified shooting up Like that. That was my weirdest thing was because because I told myself I mean, I told myself, way, I do, I'm talking like 13, 14 years old like if I, if I ever did heroin, I'm shooting that shit up. No, not, then I'll never. No, I wasn't even smoking weed then. But I was just saying I said if I ever do heroin, I ain't gonna bullshit around, I'm gonna shoot that shit up. Glad I never did do that shit, but I never. To this day, I still cannot understand how people can I mean like I know you're sick or whatever, or I mean even off the pills. I don't know how you can be that sick enough to where you're like you know what? What? Yeah, strap this up, put this in my arm. That I never understood. That's why I never got caught up in it. I guess I kind of got caught back up in the pills only because I knew I could make money. But once I knew I couldn't rely on my source as being straight from the pharmacy like I know that shit's from the pharmacy it wasn't worth it, because I'm one of them people I'm not going to sell you bullshit, so that means I got to take the hit, and I'm not trying to take a hit on 10, 20, 15, or even two bogus pills, is that? Or, and and it's not even worse than that, is it that shit's fucking all day? That shit's all fucking cut Like it's not, they ain't, they ain't from the pharmacy. It looks like a pharmacy pill kind of. But yeah, I do, I got shit.

Speaker 4: 44:16

I threw hands Well, somebody tried to throw hands with me. They swung and then they ran to their car. They swung on me and then ran to their car because they tried to sell me some fake ass shit. Because they were acting like it was funny because first it was it was the girlfriend that could only bring it over. But the boyfriend came over too. Boyfriend acted like he was too fucked up, you know because off, too fucked up, off the pill or whatever. And then whenever I looked at the pill and looked at a little bit about, I was like no, sorry, I can't do that, that shit's fake. All of a sudden his ass jumps up like oh, I'm good to go, and he's like okay, let's do this. I kicked my fucking sandals off. He swings and then this bitch starts yelling come back to the car, come back to the car. But yeah, other than that, yeah, it's it ain't. It ain't worth it. None of that shit's worth it yeah, so.

Speaker 1: 45:00

So back back to okay. So you got fentanyl, so have you ever seen anyone high on in fentanyl?

Speaker 4: 45:08

no okay unless it was me, okay and like, the only time I would have ever gotten a half a pin I would have is whenever I got. I got sold bogus ass pills or not, or yeah, bogus pill or two because I would, I because, because like, because, yeah, that would have been like four, four or five years ago and that's when I would have. I would have looked at it as as, like, I'm not trust, even though I trust these people. I know they fucking bullshit people. I know they fucking bullshit. I know they on some bullshit.

Speaker 2: 45:41

So can you tell us the experience of what happened when you consumed the fentanyl pills, the pills that were bogus, it's just more intense.

Speaker 4: 45:52

It's not that it's more intense, it's like let's go sit in a corner. So I don't know. It's hard to explain because I've never. I I've never done fentanyl. I never, I never did. I never did do the fentanyl thing and I never did do the heroin thing. I did the opiates and I would only do enough of the opiates to where it would give me a boost, like he gave me a boost in energy. Energy boost, yeah, energy boost, and made me feel better. It just made me feel better about myself.

Speaker 4: 46:24

And what's fucked up about that is that, like I, my talents were so high when I was taking those is that somebody could have took, took a fourth of what I was taking, and they would have gotten high and gotten. They would have been nodding off and shit, not forever, but they would have been nodding off. But no, I mean I got to. Well, because the pills are so cheap and the pills are so easy to sell, because it's not like weed or any other bullshit. It ain't like oh, that don't weigh enough, or that looks like it's got seeds or whatever. Oh, can you give me a little more than that? No, it's a goddamn, it's a pill. So either you take the pill or you don't take the pill. That's why, that's why I liked fucking with the pills. It's because it was just, it was the, it was the most non-bullshit or non, you know. It was just like hey, you want this or you want that. It's not. Like, no, that doesn't know that it's not, does it? That's not short. No, that's not green enough. Or no, that does. Got too many scenes. No, no, no, this is a pill player. Either you want the pill or you don't want the pill. I can't shave off a little bit more of a pill for you.

Speaker 4: 47:43

So would you say the pills are more popular than the? Uh, no, like the heroin, no, snorting dude, I mean, it is hard to find. Well, it's in my mind, it's just too stupid to be spending them. I mean, like you know, like if, if I was addicted to the pills like I was before, I would rather get addicted to heroin, but actual heroin, not the fentanyl heroin which would. Which was what makes it so totally different is because I guess everything's getting cut with fentanyl. I mean, everything's getting cut with fentanyl and it's just yeah, it's scary, it's not, it's. It's not it's. It's not something you want to mess with not something I ever want to mess with. I got like and now the pills have gotten to. They've pills, shit fuck. Six, seven years ago the pills got too much. They cost too much to where. It was like yeah sorry, my money in my pocket is higher to me than what I will take off in the high. I'll take off these pills, yeah, easily right, right right well, yo nice meeting you, brother.

Speaker 1: 48:46

Let I want to talk back to uh, richard neal bay. I really appreciate your contribution to this podcast today that was very informative.

Speaker 4: 48:55

And now let me just talk to him real quick for like one minute and I'm back with you.

Speaker 1: 49:04

Thanks, R Nell B, for bringing the brother on there.

Speaker 3: 49:09

I mean you know, he got the real life experience. So instead of us guessing we don't know, wait, I'm going to ask you a question.

Speaker 4: 49:18

You know somebody that has a two-door, a red two-door.

Speaker 3: 49:23

Call my dad. You talking about a car? Call my dad because I wouldn't know. I'm on a bike.

Speaker 4: 49:27

No, no no, this is my brother in the NASCAR. I'm not. Oh no, I wouldn't know. He's the one that wanted to pull over he's the one that wanted to talk to you.

Speaker 3: 49:35

Even if I knew him, I wouldn't tell you, because they probably got a gun. Somebody just lost their life last night.

Speaker 4: 49:41

We ain't got time for none of that. He stopped. Yeah, he had a gun. He stopped.

Speaker 3: 49:45

No, but sometimes you can put them in a corner and they're going to shoot you. Zach, they shooting out here now. Ain, you got to let that car go on by the Hold on. He might know a little MMA or something. Let me go on and get this 40 ready for him. Real quick MMA. That Not when you're dressed like this.

Speaker 4: 50:10

They don't have to be a peppy boy.

Speaker 3: 50:11

No, if you standing up to a person and you in the hood they looking at it, you in Carbondale they looking at if this European got something to say, when I say something to him, I'm going to go on and do him, because that means he can fight. He got something, yeah.

Speaker 4: 50:31

You're going to have to shoot me.

Speaker 3: 50:32

You're going to have to shoot me. That's my brother, zach y'all We've been dealing with Zach for many years, man, that's that's. That's a real friend. When I say a real friend, I mean he do 20 years now, about 20 years.

Speaker 4: 50:48

Exactly.

Speaker 3: 50:49

So when I run into something I don't know, I can go to him 19 years, I always go to him. He can give it to us. What I want to know is I want to 19 years, he said.

Speaker 1: 50:56

I always go to him. He can give it to us. What I want to know is I want to get someone on who has experienced the feeling of the fentanyl, Like how are people dying from this? Is it the heart exploding? No, no, no, Uh-oh he won't understand.

Speaker 4: 51:18

No, the way people are dying from fentanyl is because fentanyl is so fucking potent. It's not funny. Like uh, um, it's so hard to try to think of something that is small enough to tell you what you can over, how little amount of fentanyl takes to overdose. Like, uh, I'll go outside and find a grass leaf and and cut it to where you can barely fucking see it, which is where you can barely see it, and that, yeah, I mean like, like, all you have to do is you I mean, I mean, you guys could go online and see how little amount it's like. So they're so so they're cutting it with fentanyl, but they're not cutting it with completely fentanyl, which, which is really weird, because, like, do you think it's synthetic fentanyl that you've? Yeah, synthetic it's awesome.

Speaker 4: 52:16

Yeah, it's been all synthetic regardless, yeah, but but the thing that's crazy about now, like maybe what you guys are probably experiencing, maybe what you guys are experiencing, oh, they're experiencing this but what's crazy is how now these dealers that are fucking selling um fentanyl or heroin or whatever are talking about how it kills you. That's how good this shit is, y'all hear that you owe me.

Speaker 4: 52:44

Be careful. Be careful, because you might overdose on this. Y'all hear that that's how good this is. Y'all hear that, like that's how crazy that shit now is they're not worried about. Let me get some of that with you, Now check this out.

Speaker 3: 52:57

He they're not worried about. Let me get some of that, Now check this out. He said that right, I'm not going to even say no names, I'm going to just my uncle, Tony. He went to sleep one night after smoking crack rock, Didn't wake up the next morning. A lady who stayed right across the street from me smoke crack rock one night, walk up, she didn't wake up. The next morning. A dude who stayed around the corner from me, Stafford Brown, smoked and didn't wake up. All of them. He said you ain't heard their name in a minute. Yeah, all of them died in their sleep. Fentanyl, right, and they call it natural cause.

Speaker 1: 53:36

You think fentanyl was in the crack.

Speaker 4: 53:39

I don't know. I don't know why you would use fentanyl in crack.

Speaker 3: 53:43

Yes, and the reason I say I know that they're doing it is because I had a lady who said she had a stroke and found out that she snort and she smoked Right. She snort and she smokes right. And she said that she found out that from her snorting it gave her an aneurysm or something to the brain, but it was all fitting off. Wow, it was all fitting off. So she was like look, y'all got to do something about these kids because, like he said, you can order it offline through the black market.

Speaker 1: 54:17

Order it offline through the black market.

Speaker 3: 54:19

Order it offline through the black market, wow, and then to share with you, they're printing their own pills. I know children around here when everybody was getting PPP money, they was buying printing so they can print out what they needed to print out.

Speaker 2: 54:36

That's wild bro, that's what we're dealing with Real life On the collision course of taking ourselves out. And this is why groups like the Nation of Islam and Amor stress keeping your body pure, even at home. Please, please, because this is what they're doing. Not only do they trap you with your diet, because slavery also takes place in the kitchen. What you eat, the food is contaminated, genetically modified. These drugs. Now, alcoholism is promoted a lot to drink more. These drugs, these designer drugs, these kids smoking this weed everybody want to smoke. The biggest bag it has to be the Zod they might have fitting on the weed.

Speaker 2: 55:21

That's what I was saying earlier.

Speaker 3: 55:24

I'm going to pull up some articles and the next time you come on we'll have those articles where they're actually having classes throughout America sharing with you because, like you said, it only takes like a drop of that stuff. So just imagine if somebody dropped two or three drops on some. Now this is what I truly believe they're doing. They're adding a drop into a sugar water and spraying it on the marijuana that way and then let it air dry. I truly can see that clear as day. You see what I'm saying. If they're getting synthetic liquid, they taking that liquid and adding it into the sugar water and putting it in a spray bottle and spraying the whole pound with that stuff.

Speaker 2: 56:06

Yeah, because I be seeing new somebody. I see the crystals in my weed Right, the white widow and all man Listen.

Speaker 3: 56:17

We got some work to do. So Wesley Muhammad is on point man, cause they want that designer weed, that government weed, they want that Zaza and that Zaza got them brain dead. Then they eating McDonald's with it, then they gonna drink a Coca-Cola or a Pepsi. All this is programming to tell you self-hate?

Speaker 2: 56:43

Don't forget the Hennessy. They got to bring Washington down with Hennessy Look y'all here.

Speaker 3: 56:48

they start drinking at 7 o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 2: 56:51

And remember people were dying from fake alcohol overseas when they went on vacation. Remember that whole thing, right. We alcohol overseas when they went on vacation. Remember that whole thing, right? Yeah, so everything is.

Speaker 3: 57:01

We got some cleaning up to do, man. So I appreciate NYP Talk and other platforms where we can talk about our true issues as true Americans, Right, as true Americans. And I called Zach earlier. I didn't even know he was going to come, but when he came I was like, look, it's best to let him explain, you know, because we don't know nothing about no pills or no fentanyl or no. You know what I'm saying. So let's get I don't even like calling him a junkie Let me get somebody who can go into it a little bit.

Speaker 2: 57:30

I'm going to be so real with it. It comes to show you that the time that we in drugs does not discriminate this thing anyone, no matter what walk of life you come from, because he probably he's not like a brilliant brother, he's like you know, he. He fell into it, you know, due to some mental trauma whatsoever.

Speaker 3: 57:48

You understand drugs you got all kind of degrees. He's just down here doing him. I'm to say it like that it happens.

Speaker 2: 57:56

Trust me, I got family. Listen, I've seen it. I've seen it. I've never done it a day in my life I've seen people that are brilliant that lost themselves due to drugs. Man, it's crazy, let's wrap this up, man.

Speaker 1: 58:17

Thank you all for tuning in tonight. We really appreciate you. We see you on thursday. I mean peace.