Ever wondered how the vibrant culture of New York City shaped the birth of hip-hop? In this episode, we journey with the extraordinary Dr. Alim El-Bey as he recounts his upbringing in Harlem, Williamsburg, and Coney Island, offering an insider view into the genesis of hip-hop culture. From b-boying and graffiti to rapping, breakdancing, and DJing, Dr. El-Bey’s artistic evolution, inspired by his father and his education at Pratt University, is nothing short of captivating. We also delve into his connection with the Five Percent Nation at just 14 and how the teachings of Minister Farrakhan and Malcolm X guided his path away from destructive habits toward a fulfilling, purpose-driven life.
Dr. El-Bey's story doesn't end with hip-hop. His spiritual journey, marked by reconnecting with mentors like Omar and See Allah, takes center stage as we explore the profound impact these relationships had on his life. Blending traditional lessons with metaphysical insights from figures like Dr. Malachi Z York and Dr. Ben , Dr. El-Bey emphasizes the importance of inner transformation and eliminating personal devils. His early metaphysical encounters, community organization efforts, and genealogical discoveries tracing back to notable historical figures provide a rich tapestry of experiences that highlight his unique perspective on spirituality and self-awareness.
As we wrap up, we reflect on Dr. El-Bey's role in creating Unity for Prosperity, a group that significantly impacted North Carolina's Spring Lake, and his status as the Crown Prince . This episode also delves into the effectiveness of different community organizations, emphasizing the power of self-identification and legal recognition in connecting individuals to their heritage and rights. Join us for an enlightening conversation that promises to leave you inspired and eager for future discussions with the remarkable Dr. Alim Bey.
Ever wondered how the vibrant culture of New York City shaped the birth of hip-hop? In this episode, we journey with the extraordinary Dr. Alim El-Bey as he recounts his upbringing in Harlem, Williamsburg, and Coney Island, offering an insider view into the genesis of hip-hop culture. From b-boying and graffiti to rapping, breakdancing, and DJing, Dr. El-Bey’s artistic evolution, inspired by his father and his education at Pratt University, is nothing short of captivating. We also delve into his connection with the Five Percent Nation at just 14 and how the teachings of Minister Farrakhan and Malcolm X guided his path away from destructive habits toward a fulfilling, purpose-driven life.
Dr. El-Bey's story doesn't end with hip-hop. His spiritual journey, marked by reconnecting with mentors like Omar and See Allah, takes center stage as we explore the profound impact these relationships had on his life. Blending traditional lessons with metaphysical insights from figures like Dr. Malachi Z York and Dr. Ben , Dr. El-Bey emphasizes the importance of inner transformation and eliminating personal devils. His early metaphysical encounters, community organization efforts, and genealogical discoveries tracing back to notable historical figures provide a rich tapestry of experiences that highlight his unique perspective on spirituality and self-awareness.
As we wrap up, we reflect on Dr. El-Bey's role in creating Unity for Prosperity, a group that significantly impacted North Carolina's Spring Lake, and his status as the Crown Prince . This episode also delves into the effectiveness of different community organizations, emphasizing the power of self-identification and legal recognition in connecting individuals to their heritage and rights. Join us for an enlightening conversation that promises to leave you inspired and eager for future discussions with the remarkable Dr. Alim Bey.
What's going on, everybody? It's Ron Bryant, lft, the People's Fitness Professional, alongside my co-host, mikey Fever, and this is a New Yorker's Perspective. We have the God, dr Aleem El-Bei, with us today to build on his history and whatever else we feel like we want to build on real quick. Thank you for coming out this evening. We really appreciate you, brother, for taking out the time to contribute to our platform, new Yorkers Perspective. Let's start off from the beginning. I don't know if that's your, I don't know if you're doing it on the phone, dr Aleem, but there's feedback. There's a little feedback.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, let me probably go. I got a little dance group here. They're downstairs. Let me see if I can go in here and if it sounds better for you.
Speaker 1:
Okay, richard Niel Bay. Thank you, richard Niel Bay. Yeah, share it like crazy. We really appreciate that more. Thank you for sharing that man and supporting the show from the beginning. Brother R Niel Bay salute R Niel Bay man. We got to press that the beginning. Brother R Neal Bay salute R Neal Bay man.
Speaker 3:
We got to press that, brother palm man.
Speaker 1:
We got to go to Illinois to meet that brother in person. Anyway, let's go into it. Dr Alim Bey, let's start from the beginning.
Speaker 2:
Where are you from exactly I'm from New York New. York, coney Island, harlem, rideau Park. I've been in three out of the five boroughs left in, so I was born and partly raised in Harlem. Then my parents moved to Brooklyn so I was in Williamsburg. I was also in Coney Island, then we moved back to Harlem and my mom eventually moved to Queens, to Regal.
Speaker 1:
Park Lafraque City area.
Speaker 2:
So she was there until she passed in 2019. And I came down here to North Carolina with my grandmother and ended up going to college, graduating, went to the ATL for about maybe four or five years and then came back to North Carolina. So I've been ever since.
Speaker 2:
So were you born in Harlem hospital or you that kind of Harlem or Not? Not in Harlem hospital. I was born Um. I was at the? Um Riverside, um area um Washington Heights area, gotcha, gotcha, yeah, yeah. Then, um, I came back and lived on 129th between 5th and Lenox Malcolm X Boulevard as it is now.
Speaker 1:
Right, okay, and around what time was this? I don't know.
Speaker 2:
If you want to reveal all that, yeah yeah, yeah, I mean, that's where I was born at. So I was conceived in Washington Heights and then my mom got me like around three months and moved me to Williamsburg, and then, around eight years old, we moved to Coney Island, got you so around then, around 12, moved back to harlem and was still and was there until like around maybe 18 years old gotcha.
Speaker 1:
So you, you quote, you caught all the the, the hip-hop culture and all that in the city, you know. And now, so gotcha, gotcha, and uh, so, being that you were in the city and you call all that hip-hop culture, what intrigued you more? Graffiti, hit uh, rapping, break, dancing or djing I was a straight b-boy.
Speaker 2:
I did it all. I did it all. I still do. I can still pop a lot. I can still right, I can still hip hop. You know rhyme with the best of them.
Speaker 3:
You could tell, I eat all wreaths.
Speaker 2:
Right, I can still do all of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can still do graffiti. I've been drawing ever since I was two years old. I've been drawing ever since I was two years old. My dad told me my dad used to sit me on his knee and used to draw Batman, in particular the Batman mobile, and I would copy after him. So I've been drawing ever since I was two years old.
Speaker 1:
Matter of fact, I went to Pratt University for a couple of years um, for a couple of years, okay, okay, so you, you were in harlem until 18 years old. Now I would say I'm just making an assumption that you caught one of the five percent nation.
Speaker 2:
Then, you know, I was 14, I was 14 and 11 year old, who looked like she was 18, but she was only 11. She was my best friend at the time. My name was Lisa and she said yo, I'm going to introduce you to my God. And I was like your God. I was like yo, that's a little bit too close and personal for me. Yo, you know what you mean. She was like oh no, I'm talking about my man. Your man is God. Oh, oh no, I'm talking about my man, your man is God. Oh yeah, let me introduce me, Let me see what's going on with that. So that's how I got into the information.
Speaker 2:
And then my cousin later, you know, found out he was a fiber center and went over to his house. His mom was cooking some greens with some pork in it and shit. And he was like, oh nah, yo, we ain't doing that shit right there. Yo, come on, let's go down and get a turkey sub, let's go to the corner. And you know, the year before that this nigga had Playboy, Penthouse, damn Hustler and everything underneath his bed. Come back the next year, all that shit gone. He got a number of Minister Farrakhan, Abdul Khalid Mohammed. He got Malcolm X, all of that under his bed. I said yo, let me get some of that. And he gave me some Of my first cassette tapes Of Minister Farrakhan, Of Elijah Muhammad, Of Malcolm X and so forth and so on.
Speaker 1:
And I was about.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, yeah, I was 14, 14, 15 years old, but that was just that, was just that had to happen. I was 14, 14, 15 years old, but that was just that was just that had to happen. Because I was reading the autobiography of Malcolm X at the age of 12. And I got into that because my aunt well, my godmother's, my godmother's daughter, so my god sister's mother Peaches was always telling me yo, you need to go learn and study about Malcolm X. And I was like, why do you keep talking about that? You know, number one, who is this man with his last name X? That's the first thing I wanted to know. The second thing was why do you keep telling me I need to go study this dude, you know? So I listened to it and I went up to the Schomburg library and checked the autobiography out and I couldn't put it down for two weeks I just kept reading and reading and reading that book over and over again and that became my anthem. You know, that book changed my life.
Speaker 2:
And everything that I was learning at that time became more Afrocentric I guess you can say, for lack of a better terminology and became more metaphysical, became more historical because of that book. You know it made me appreciate melanated people much more better, to create melanated people much more better. You know that's dope.
Speaker 3:
Reading that book. It does change, it does shift. I recommend every young so-called black male should read that book, no matter where you're from. That book is very influential. It inspires, instrumental, very most, helps you shift your perspective in life to make you realize that you're more than just a black person.
Speaker 2:
You understand.
Speaker 3:
It's very historical. When you're done with that book, then you go to the message of the black man and from there you just go ahead and and basically, that's exactly what happened yeah, right, so now.
Speaker 1:
So what was your background before that? What religion were you? Were you Christian? Is that your family?
Speaker 2:
Let me break this down because I was non-denominational, truthfully OC. You might know him as OC the rapper.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
No Omar. He used to live across the street from me on Harmon Street. That's where I was raised In Brooklyn, in Williamsburg, so that wasn't too far from Marcy Projects and from Bushwick I brought away. I used to go over to his house on Saturdays and eat cornflakes and shit and me and him would be building, we five, six, seven years old and we talking about Islam.
Speaker 2:
And so he was the first one to put the signs of Islam in my ear, at a tender age of five years old, with brother OC yeah, five. So I give thanks to the God for doing that, because only thing I knew at that time, at five, was what my mom and dad and all of them told me. My grandmother didn't know that was Christianity, you know. So he was the first one to give me something that was different. So by you know. So, age five to the age 12, just, you know, we talk about just what. Seven years later, you know, I read the autobiography of Malcolm X and it clicked, you know, because of that buzz and that seed that he put in my, you know, put in my ear and put in my brain, you know that seed developed. Seven years later he wasn't even there to see the growth in which that happened. The crazy shit is that check this out, here it is. I haven't seen a guy in 40 years realize that he was rapping. Time Is Up. And I was like yo that look like Omar. You know what I'm saying From back in the days, didn't know for sure.
Speaker 2:
His cousin reached out to me, his first cousin. We used to call him Boo Boo. Alright, he reached out to me. We call him Chuck Luck. Now he reached out to me. You're calling Chuck Luck now. He reached out to me. He was like yo, I just talked to your mom and your aunt. He was at this party. They gave me your number. Yo, we've been watching your videos for years, so now they was watching me. You see what I'm saying. So that's the way in which all of this shit comes back. The ancestors always link you back with family.
Speaker 3:
You know that's what happened?
Speaker 2:
Right, you know so. So here it is. It was 40 years later. You know, I'm finding out that OC, the one who introduced me to Islam, is now watching my videos with me talking about Islam. We're going into more metaphysical properties, or Sufism, or whatever the case is, you know. So I mean, that's that's, that's the beauty of all of this. This is life. This thing called life is a beautiful thing.
Speaker 3:
It is.
Speaker 1:
Yes, sir. So so now, after so non-denominational, you meet OCF5.
Speaker 3:
Right.
Speaker 1:
He introduced you to Islam. That sparked you. Now you met your friend I mean your best friend, who was 11 at the time had a God. He introduced you to the God. Now did you have an enlightener? Yeah okay, see Allah, see Allah. See Allah Enlightener. Yeah, okay, see Allah, see Allah. See Allah See Allah, wow See.
Speaker 2:
Allah was my enlightener God. He gave me the whole 120. He gave me the whole 120 and told me to take my ass back to North Carolina and distribute that information to the Chabot, to the gods.
Speaker 1:
Wow, see Allah Rest in. Wow, see Allah, rest in peace. See Allah. That is some history right there, man. Okay, so now, when you took that information, when you took the 120, so did he walk you through 120 or did you just, kind of like, do it on your own? Did you meet you through 120 or did you just do it on your own? Did you meet other guards? How did that happen? Were you going to parties rallies?
Speaker 2:
I called him. We stayed in contact via phone. I told him that there was guards down there. He said, yo, he didn't even know there was guards down there. That's why he told me, yo, he didn't even know there was guys down there. Oh wow. So that's why he told me yo, take the whole 120 and, just you know, stop bombarding the guys with these jewels. And I was like, all right, I do my part. And so we set up discussions and we set up classes, discussions and we set up classes. At that time I started going to, I graduated and started going to college and I was going to Federal State University. So I started bombarding military cats, college cats, everybody, and before we knew it, we had probably about maybe 75 brothers and sisters.
Speaker 2:
You know, and we talk about hundreds and thousands, even more, who came over those years listening to the teachings. And so we wasn't just teaching on 5% lessons, we taught those. We taught Dr Malachi Zayork's information he was known as Imam Misa At the time. We taught Minister Farrakhan, nation of Islam, the student enrollment lessons. We just went all in. We taught Dr Ben Yakinens, black man of the Nile Valley, the Nile Family, and we Black Jews, I mean we was going in God that was part of this phenomenal explosion of information and was teaching everybody every single bit of information that we possibly could get our hands on that was relevant to our existence, because up until that point, the late 80s, nobody um knew this information, um new disinformation from everybody's standpoint.
Speaker 3:
Okay, Okay. So I have a question from studying with the five percenters what led you into metaphysics? What?
Speaker 2:
started it. Well, I mean, we look at justice 10 lesson. It says you know what was Mohammed, a Muslim, do in order to murder the devil? And then it was talking about there was four devils, and I mean I mean that within itself became a metaphysical point that you know, if you just examine it over and over again, it could have been talking about killing a white person, pale person, or out beyond. You know, it had to have been talking about killing something within yourself, and so you know we had to been talking about killing something within yourself. And so, of course, we talk about lust, greed, jealousy and envy. You know lust, greed, jealousy and hatred. You know what I'm saying? Those became the four devils in which that we had to eliminate within ourselves in order to receive the lapel, as they say on our coat.
Speaker 2:
That lapel.
Speaker 2:
Actually we're talking about that button, that third eye, you know what I'm saying activation on this coat, on this flesh, on this vessel, you know.
Speaker 2:
So we understood that from more of a metaphysical level and, plus, there were certain things that happened to me at a young age that had me to have to go into metaphysics because nobody wanted to talk about it. At four years old, my mom was walking me to my first day of um nursery school I guess you can say All right and I was crying. I didn't want to leave her, you know, because my first time being away from her, you know type of thing, and I didn't want to leave her. And she was like you know, you got to go to school, blah, blah, blah, you know. And as she was talking to me, all of a sudden I felt all this negative energy just bone rush me as I'm crying, this ethereal energy just folded around me and I was feeling. So now here I am crying, but I'm also feeling all this negative energy. I'm feeling the racism, the sexism, the murderous thoughts and all of this other shit.
Speaker 3:
It's like somebody pulling your stomach. That's how it feels like somebody's pulling your stomach, right.
Speaker 2:
Right, right, right, right. I felt I was an empath. That's what I realized.
Speaker 2:
And I felt all this negative energy from the environment and I was like, damn, what the hell is this? You know, as I look back on it now, I'm thinking what is this? You know, realizing I was an empath and I was feeling all the negative energy that was in the atmosphere. You know, um, etherically, at that time period, um, you know, whatever was strangling New York was strangling me at the same damn time, you know, um, um, so that was at the age of four. Then, at five, I began to start seeing ghosts, um, and these weren't ghosts like you could see on tv. On tv, they always show you some ethereal type of um, ghosts, you know, coming down in a row.
Speaker 2:
That's not like that, no, no no, I'm talking about a being in which they actually exist, but they exist in a different dimension and I was looking at a different dimension. It was like I was looking into a different dimension and how I knew that was because it was pixelated. It was like white noise. That's how the image of the pixelated. It was like white noise. That's how the image of the body was. It was like white noise and I was able to see that being.
Speaker 3:
The atoms. It's the atoms that vibrate faster.
Speaker 2:
yeah, right right, right, right, right. And I'm looking at this being and I'm like saying to myself hold up, if this being can see me like I'm seeing it. And I'm like saying to myself hold up, if this being can see me like I'm seeing it. And I'm five years old and I'm already thinking like this, if this being is able to see me, because, because I knew it wasn't a man, even though it was in the shape of a man, I knew it wasn't like somebody broke into the house, you know. So I already understood that. So I'm already calculating, um, so I already understood that. So I'm already calculating. And you know, and my mind is firing off, already at a young age, five years old, and already distinguishing.
Speaker 2:
This is real in the nonsense that I've been, that I've been seeing on TV for um the last three years, because my memory only goes back to the age of two. All right, so from age of two to five, three years was good enough for me to know that whatever is going on is something I have not seen before. Now I've seen the TV at that time when it goes off, because we had TVs that was analog at that time period. So at two o'clock the TV would go off and it go towards noise to a white noise screen. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:
After they do the United States affirmation, tvs used to go off. They didn't have no remote controls at that time. You know what I mean I'm talking about. This is 76. 76 is what I'm talking about, because I was born in 69. So, this being Right, seventy six is what I'm talking about because I was born in 69. So this being came crossing from out of the kitchen, across my threshold of my bedroom, going into the living room and I'm saying to myself, if I can see it, and it can see me and turn his head towards me, like it can see me, I'm yelling for my mom and dad. So as it came across the threshold, it was able, it turned his head to see me. Now I probably would have freaked out if it just would have kept on going.
Speaker 2:
You know saying I just would have chalked it up like, okay, all right, I was able to see what was going on. It wasn't able to see me. Blah, blah, blah. But now this, the head turned towards me. The body of the shape of this being, once again, was white, noise, it was pixelated, all right. And it turned towards me and I said my dad, my dad, my dad came running in the bedroom and he was like what's going on, what's wrong? I said there was a man. I didn't mean a man, I was talking about a man. And you know, this image was in the shape of a man, but it wasn't a man. So he was like checking the doors, the windows and everything, making sure everything was all right. And I was like, nah, nah, it wasn't that type of man. He was like oh you, you must have ate, you must have ate too late, you must have ate the wrong combination of food and they choked after that, right right, that's what he was telling me and I was like nah, they already I was wide awoke.
Speaker 2:
I mean wide awake I was, I was woke you know what I'm saying you know I was doing things of a, you know of a five yo, I'm looking out the window at the moon counting the stars. You know I'm saying playing with my toes, and you know, just just shit, five-year-old dude. And this happened. You know I'm saying so. Um, you know, he chalked it up like it was just some bad shit I ate and I was like, okay, that's cool, that's cool. But then when I was nine years old, I seen a UFO hover over top of my head. I was living in Coney Island at the time and the UFO hovered over my head, to the right side of me, only about 100 yards to 150 yards up above my head, so it was relatively close. And I'm going back from the store, going back to the apartment building where we used to live at, and this is what happened. So at that time I said, all right, I done seen ghosts, I done seen UFOs. Let me find out what the hell is going on on planet Earth. So I asked my mom to get me the Time Life magazine books. And she got me the Time Life magazine books. And she got me the Time Life magazine books and started getting those every single month. I still got the Time Life magazine books to this day that she got me then. Okay, that shit was in 78. Alright, so we talking about 1978.
Speaker 2:
I started reading books on metaphysics. That's what these Time Life magazine books were about Lost continents. So I started reading about Hyperborea, mu, atlantis, et cetera. I started reading about Shambhala All of this was in these books Underground in the world, caverns and cities. So I started reading all this information in these books. Didn't even know where it was heading to, but the ancestors seen that. You're nine years old, you need to learn all all this information in these books. Didn't even know where it was heading to, but the ancestors seen that you're nine years old, you need to learn all of this information. Obviously, I don't even know where it was going to lead to.
Speaker 2:
You know, like I said, three years later I'm reading all the biography of Malcolm X. You know, two years later, studying the 5%, a year later, minister Farrakhan, by 19, studying Dr Malikazer York, known at that time as Imam Misa. So I was dealing with the Ansar, the Allah, nubid, islamic Hebrews, but at the same time you were dealing with them. You said I was studying. Yeah Well, I was in college. So dr york imamisa told me to stay my ass in in college oh wow, you got a chance to meet him, wow yeah, yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 2:
But we had it, but we had a group that was there, um, you know, it was us and, um, it was some brothers and some sisters, and we had a group We've called UFP Unity for Prosperity, and one of our teachers at Feather State University actually is the one who put that together for us, and we just took it and ran with it on campus and off campus.
Speaker 2:
As a matter of fact, the next city up from Fairville, which is Spring Lake, actually took our motto Unity for Prosperity and they utilize that to this day. That was the motto for the city. But that came from us, because for us down from Fairfield State University and for us making a move throughout Spring Lake, throughout Fairville, throughout Greensboro, throughout Sanford, throughout, I mean, raleigh, durham, we was all over the place getting information out. We was banging on them, you know. So we just didn't stay on a computer. See what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:
We traveled, we got the word out for real. We was doing our what, what do they call it? Our Mormon slash, jehovah Witness thing, and we was doing it better than them, because we used to get in debates with them and tear the behinds up Easy, utilizing the lessons, utilizing student enrollment, utilizing what we got from Dr York, dr Ben, dr John, henry, clark, shikant, deok, everybody. We utilize it and whip everybody behind with their information, no matter where they came from. We had, we had an answer for them oh, from the Bible. Oh, that's fine, we got you on that are full.
Speaker 2:
Oh, you know from the Bible. Oh, that's fine, we got you on that. You know, because we also study Ben Amin Israel.
Speaker 3:
I remember that, George yeah.
Speaker 2:
We also got with Yahweh teachings. So, no matter what we had the answer for you coming from any of the brothers' teachings Because we didn't at that time period from any of the brothers' teachings, because we didn't at that time period there was no separation of information. I'm sorry, in the 80s that was not how that shit went. That's how that is now. You know what I'm saying. In the 80s, in the 90s, we brought all the information together. We never, you know, separated the information. We never played that. We never separated the information. We never played that. We didn't play that. All the information, if it made sense and it was coherent, we used it and we told you who we got it from, no problem, you know.
Speaker 1:
Go ahead. So now I want to take it to. So north carolina, you went to school, created this group. You had all the information. Now, what got you into morris science now?
Speaker 2:
actually that was doing the same time in 1988, 89. There was brothers who was coming from Lumberton, North Carolina, who was part of the Moral Science Temple of America. So that was our first inkling of coming into the Moral Information. And plus Dr York put out a book who is no Withdrawal and that book, and then from you know them being appreciative of Dr York putting that book out, you know they started coming to the classes. So we would. We have five percenters in the classes. We had Sunni Muslims in the classes. We had Shiite Muslims in the classes. We had Nation Islam members in the classes. We had brothers who was, you know, red, black and green, who just did their own research. You know, you know, Dr Ben John, Dr John Henry Clark and others. They was in the classes. So all of us used to come to the classes. All right, the Moral Science Temple brothers used to come to the classes. All right, the moral science temple brothers used to come to the classes. So nobody discriminated against each other for the knowledge or the path in which that they took to themselves.
Speaker 2:
At that time there was no debate. There was just all of us wanting to know more information. That's how it was and how to sync all this information together. All this information together, because all of us knew that there was a silver lining between all the teachers, that there was somebody or connecting points between all the teachers, and we wanted to know where was it, when did it come from? How did everybody know each other? And so that's what we was looking for. We was looking for unification. We wasn't looking for debating. That's some shit.
Speaker 2:
That came later on, with Sinetta doing his thing with the debates, and they still love to hammer that shit out now. But I'm not going to talk about it because actually I was the first one to do one of Sinetta's debates and that was me debating Sarasota and Setti. But if you notice the debate between me and him, that was casual. We gave each other dap and smiled and hugged each other. That's how it used to be. There was no real debate. It was just getting the information out and letting the people decide. Okay, what's what? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:
Knowledge is universal. That's why I never understood that concept. Like I always say, each group can learn from one another, because information is out there and nothing is like. You know what could be debated, as the truth could be false tomorrow, because you know information evolves Exactly, exactly, god.
Speaker 2:
And that's exactly what's going on. Now. There's more information that's coming out about the new, the so-called new world actually being the old world.
Speaker 2:
You know, and this is right in this pyramid here, in which that I have, you know, that's been here for hundreds and thousands of years, longer than the pyramids on the Giza Plateau. So I mean, these are things which are coming out now and we have to acknowledge it. We can't just be stuck in our ways. Oh no, dr Ben said. Oh no, no, you know. John Henry Clark said no, we got to look at all of the information. Them brothers have passed form and they did their job. They did what they did. You know past form and they did their job. They did what they did Fantastic work. But we now need to step it up and see how much of this shit is true, what's what, and we need to rewrite history.
Speaker 3:
Peer review. Some people get caught up in the whole Afrocentric thing where they will disregard European authors. I know that comes with a stigma, but you got to study everyone. Everyone has their view.
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 3:
We're just trying to figure out the pieces. We're just putting the pieces together, just trying to find the truth. You know what I'm saying? Indeed.
Speaker 1:
So I want to go into. I want to pardon me, I don't mean to put y'all up, but I want to go into now. Morris, science Morris started going to the group you were a part of. Going to the group you were a part of and then so what made you decide to not go into the temple per se?
Speaker 2:
Well, these brothers were from the temple, so my first inkling of moral science information was from them, you know, in 88 and 89.
Speaker 1:
No, as far as I remember.
Speaker 2:
Right, right, right, okay, well, no, as far as I remember, right, right, right, ok, well, actually, I did join the temple and that was in 2000. All right, my name was Baruch L when I joined, which means the angel of light. All right, and I joined Kirkman Bays Group at that time, from out of Washington DC.
Speaker 1:
Okay, and then? So what was the path after that? Was it because then you I don't know if you created the thing of pardon me? No, no I didn't what you didn't create it.
Speaker 2:
No, my teacher was known as Prince Ramesses Abel Bay, prince Ramesses Abel Bay. He became the crown prince of the Empire Ouachita de Dugdemania in 1999, at the behest of the Empress Viridiasi Tierra Ouachita, turnica, gaston L Bay, and that was in 1999. On June 7th his birthday, his born day, all right which was just a week and a half ago a lay Salam upon him in which that she gave him the title crown prince, in which that made him the crown prince of the empire. Watch your tool. So what happened? See this once again is phenomenal, the way the ancestors always spin everything right back around. Because I end up doing a dna test and found out that prophet noah dralee was my first cousin four times removed. Removed just means that I'm four generations away from him as far as, but if I was four generations back, I would actually would be his first cousin. So he's my first cousin four times removed. Now, that was phenomenal because Prince Bey picked up energy from me back in the mid-90s and said yo, you need to put Prince on your name. And I was like Prince I don't know, that might be a little bit too much right there. I wasn't ready for that Because at that time I was more metaphysical than I was into the Moorish teachings, but he was a straight Moor, he came from the temple.
Speaker 2:
He was in Temple 21 there in Atlanta, georgia, at the time period, you know, matter of fact, he was the secretary of the Moorish Science Temple. So I was being groomed and trained by a Moral Science Temple member. But he was also the prince of the Empire Ouachita de Dagdamania, which was an indigenous aboriginal group, you know, or society nation, the empire you know, in which that you know he felt like, you know he always would tell me. The empire in which that he felt like he always would tell me. He said, every time he would go down to Louisiana to see the empress, he always would say you need to come, you need to come on down see the empress, blah, blah, blah. Not even knowing that she's my second cousin. You're talking about biology.
Speaker 3:
That's the universe working man. That's the universe working man.
Speaker 2:
She's my second cousin Three times removed. Her son, joe, is my first cousin Two times removed. The present Empress, which is Empress Wendy, is my first cousin One time removed.
Speaker 3:
Collective is there? Man Empress. Wendy Washitor is my first cousin.
Speaker 1:
One time removed, your collective is there, man, Real quick before we continue. Thanks to Awareness Daily. Thank you for the super chat. Awareness Daily, we really appreciate you, man. You've been rocking with us from the start, right? Mike?
Speaker 3:
Yeah, definitely. We owe you a hat brother. We got you, man, it's going to be autographed man, back to what you were saying, your lineage.
Speaker 1:
Pardon me, brother.
Speaker 2:
No, no, no, that's fine. So I took a DNA test. Ancestrycom took that DNA test started, you know, finding out. You know my people and my great, great great grandfather was Frederick Drew. His brother was John Drew, who was the father of Prophet Noble Drew Ali. So come to find out. So that's how I'm his first cousin Four times removed.
Speaker 3:
I have a question right. This is a left field question. I asked a few more. Is that? Do we know of Noble Drew Ali having any descendants, any children offspring? Is that something?
Speaker 2:
that's hidden Children, not necessarily the children, even though I've heard but it was a rumor, I can't verify- yeah, I can't confirm yeah. You know what I'm saying, but what I can't verify that. You know what I'm saying, but what I can verify is the fact that I am from his bloodline. I'm his first cousin, four times removed. That's what I can verify.
Speaker 2:
You know, but that's all I can tell you. You know what I'm saying, Even though I've heard there was rumors of him having children. But I know that Pearl Ali didn't have any children by him and Mary Foreman Ali did not have any children by him. So the two wives in which that they speak of didn't have children by him. So if it did happen, it had to have come prior to him forming the Moral Science Temple of America or the Morish Holy Temple of Science of the World or Moorish Holy Temple.
Speaker 3:
All right, did you ever come across the teachings of CM Bay?
Speaker 2:
Of course I'm going to shock you a little bit. More guy, you'll find out that CM Bay, charles Mosley Bay, is the first cousin of Prophet Noah Jarali.
Speaker 3:
Wow, whoa.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, see, these are things that only DNA can show you. Wow, see, my great-great-great-grandfather, frederick Drew, or my third grandfather, frederick Drew son, was married to Lucy Mosley. All right, lucy Mosley sister. Well, I should say her husband, charles senior. Charles Mosley senior had Charles Mosley junior and Charles Mosley junior had Charles Mosley Jr, and Charles Mosley Jr is CMB wow, I gotta rewind this and watch this.
Speaker 2:
Now I wanna go into so look, I'm not even finished, because Elijah Muhammad came from the Pole family, in which that is also in the bloodline. So we're talking about CMB, we're talking about Nobu Drali, we're talking about Elijah Muhammad. All right, all of them were related.
Speaker 3:
Whoa, that's going to come a lot.
Speaker 1:
That's deep, I don't know. I don't know. It's going to come a lot of scrutiny. You know what I'm saying? Now I'm going to go into once. Yeah, yeah, yeah, raphael the Moor. Huh, he said, huh, yeah, I, yeah, yeah. Raphael the more huh, he said huh, yeah, I've never heard that. I've never heard that.
Speaker 2:
Now, nobody done the DNA in order to prove it, except for me, and that's why I'm able to tell you and if you want, we can do a next episode and I'll show you the um, I'll show you the DNA connections, with no problem yeah, we got that stuff, we got to do that oh yeah, we got to do that one because you'll find more interesting connections when I, when I break it down now, now, after, after becoming a part of the uh washita dean doug de monia um um family or nation.
Speaker 1:
Right, what was, what was your mission after that? Like, after being becoming a part of that, did you get any kind of status or anything like that in that that nation, or you know you? What was, what was your, your mission after that?
Speaker 2:
Well, prince Bey, who was known as Crown Prince Hutan Tupac Bey, formerly known as Prince Ramesses Abel Bey, he passed physical form 20 years ago, january the 12th 2004. All right, he passed in my wife's arms, wow. Now, what happened is this is that I was asked soon after to be the crown prince, to sit in his seat of United Ouachita or D Doug DeMunya, and that's what I did.
Speaker 1:
And how long did you hold that seat?
Speaker 2:
I'm still holding it to this very day.
Speaker 3:
Oh wow, that's peace. To add on to what Brother Ron was saying, you say status right, did you go? You know a lot of Moors tend to talk about the status change and all that stuff. Do you guys function in that?
Speaker 2:
Yeah, you have to do status correction. You have to do nationality and status correction. That that is the lead of what you should be doing, because nationality is the call of the day and it always has and always will be. And what I mean by nationality I'm talking about, according to the 10 maxims of law, for your truth to be expressed, it must be expressed in the form of an affidavit. If you have not expressed your truth in the form of an affidavit, then you have no truth and thus you're not a more.
Speaker 2:
So it must be put on the public record so that it can be shown forth before the world that you are, who you state that you are, just like they did with you with that fake ass birth certificate. They put that on the New York Stock Exchange and sold that shit to companies for which that exists around the world. So you must have your documents on record. Also, you must have it what's known in the civil filing section of Superior Court. It must be well, we say filed. That's what it says on the document, but it is registered. You must have an R number and it must be put on the public record.
Speaker 3:
Yes, Because, you know, there tend to be a lot of back and forth. Some Moors say that's a legit thing, some say that's a farce. You know, because it's not recognized by the American government, because I've seen videos where Moors trying to exercise that.
Speaker 2:
Think about this, god. All right, so if I go to the temple and I become a more in the temple, all they're going to give me is a flimsy little paper card. All right, okay, now I can only use that card in the temple, because they say don't flash that card. Because they say don't flash that card, right, don't flash that card outside of the temple. So only place that I have status at is in the temple, and then most of the temples are under a 501 C3, which is a state corporation.
Speaker 1:
Now here's the thing. We discussed this with Brother Sharif Bey before and he has some interesting things to say about that. I don't know if you ever check out those videos.
Speaker 2:
I have my own teachings on that.
Speaker 1:
Okay, okay From my own teaching guide.
Speaker 2:
You know what I'm saying. 501c3s are incorporated In the state. For you to be recognized as a true or free church or temple or mosque or synagogue A free Then it must be under a 508c1a, not a 501 C3. And this is the problem that I have with those who say that they're part of the temple. Well, what is the temple structure? Is it structured as a 508 C1A or is it structured as a 501 C3?
Speaker 1:
for me, for for me that that's not as important as what are the temples doing as far as like movement is concerned, like what are they doing in a community. What are they? You know, yeah, as far as upliftment, are they building any businesses and things of that nature?
Speaker 2:
that's more important well, that might be the case. But you got to look at structure. If you're looking at proper status and if you're looking at nationality, then it has to be structured properly. It can't be structured on a false or on a fallacy. Has to be structured on the truth.
Speaker 2:
Prof Ali, when he put his information he utilized on a Cook County record. He used the 805 of Illinois, the 805 of Illinois. Now we look at that. Now the reverse of an 805 would be a 508. It's not a 501c3. The 508. All right, it's not a 501c3.
Speaker 2:
The 508, if you look at it and read the IRC, which is the Internal Revenue Code, it states specifically that a 508 operates as a free church which automatically have what we refer to as quote unquote automatically has tax exemption. So it automatically has tax exemption. Now a 501c3 has to petition for tax exemption and 501c3s are quote unquote nonpolitical. They can't get political. So this is why those who are nonpolitical have so much to say about the so-called UCC malls malls who want to go into commerce and understand the science of commerce, which is still law. They want to deal with civics, they want to deal with law. But you can't do that as a 501c3 because that is restricted. That is limited because 501c3s cannot deal politically. This is part of their information. When it comes to okay this part of the information.
Speaker 1:
I want to interject real quick, pardon me, god. Now let's take a look at this right. Let's say you have an organization that's 501c3 and an organization that is. What did you mention?
Speaker 2:
508c1a 508c1a.
Speaker 1:
Let's say you have two organizations, this is hypothetically speaking. You have two organizations like this right Organization as 501 C, 501 C. Three are making moves in the community and are basically giving the community tangibles for them to live off of and prosper in life. And then you have the other organization, which is in the proper standing, if you will quote unquote. However, they're not doing anything in the community. Which one would be more effective for the people? It's a good question.
Speaker 2:
I mean, of course, the 501 C3 would look as if it's more effective, but it still is based on a lot.
Speaker 2:
It's based on limitations, is based on on something in which that can't really essentially Give the people what they need because they're restricted politically.
Speaker 2:
See, understand this is that there's nine tentacles of the Illuminati, as they refer to it as All right, the Illuminati is nothing more than people who try to restrict the so-called masses while they take all the restrictions off themselves, but they try to put restrictions on the people when we deal with political realm the political realm, that is, a realm in which that they have their tentacles in. They have their tentacles in politics, all right. So we talk about sex, politics, education, we talk about entertainment, labor law, we talk about health, we talk about land. We talk about nine different levels, of which Francis Quest-Wilson speaks on in her book ISIS Paper. Nearly Fuller speaks on his confrontation of racism. They both have already said about the nine tentacles in which that is controlled by the Albion or the Illuminati, and the problem is this is that we're looking at politics as one of them. So if you're in a organization which limits you in any of those nine fields, then it's something in which that is not beneficial for the masses of our people.
Speaker 1:
I understand that. I understand your point. However, one thing as a person who's a metaphysician if you will right for yourself, right, you right, you know this right. Nothing can limit the mind. So, regardless to uh, corporation status etc. If you're feeding the people the proper information and things that they need to grow and prosper, it really doesn't matter. That's my opinion.
Speaker 2:
Well, that might be the case, brother, but I've been able to have houses, lands, cars, stores, businesses all under my 508C1A with no restriction. This is why I can talk freely as I do.
Speaker 1:
So you know, I think the next episode we should talk about what's the difference in the um amenities, if you will, for, for, for each uh organization. I mean, I mean or set up, if you will, or foundation. So maybe we can talk about that.
Speaker 3:
On the next one, um, I want to add one thing to part of ron to like show and prove, because the thing is I hate what you're saying, aleem, 100% I hate what you're saying, the differences, but the thing is that a lot of people have been conned. You know what I'm saying. When they see, like brothers who come on there and talk about you know, selling them paperwork, how to get their status done, they see that they haven't received any tangibles. We've seen videos of brothers who, wearing fezzes on their head, they've been talking all this coke stuff and the cops still give them a right hook. You know what I'm saying. Throw a cuff on them and you know. I understand what Brother Ron is saying, because we have all these movements, school of thoughts and yet our people, with all this information, are still in that same position. What can be done to get them out of this abyss?
Speaker 1:
Take them to the next level, you know right right right well, well, it's.
Speaker 2:
It's funny that you said it, because I just did a video, um, the night before last. Why speak on that? You know, why are we in the same damn condition that we that we've been in, why are we still in this same damn condition? So I just did a video on that the other day, explaining the reason why and the differences between the 501c3 and the 508c1a, as well as also between a religious organization and a nationality organization, or you know, as well as also just showing how to move. You know, because you don't have to. You don't have to.
Speaker 2:
The problem is, is that, yeah, we've seen more, no same, of course, I mean, but think about it. I mean, do you really think that they don't have a problem with you saying that you Negro, black or colored or African-American, have no problem with that at all? If you took your documents and you put it on the public record and you were saying that you was a good Negro, you was a good black or good, whatever the case was, they won't have no problem with that. They won't put you on no quote, unquote sovereign citizen, movement, registration or consideration as such. But when you say that you are more than then, that's the problem because they know more historically. It's like what Dr John Henry Clark told him. He said your nationality must connect you instantaneously to land, culture and history.
Speaker 3:
That's a fact. He did say that yeah.
Speaker 2:
All right, now, now. Now now, why did he say that? Because when I look up the word land, I see the word moors embedded inside the definition. You can't get more instantaneous than that. So that means that land and moors are synonymous. They are the same thing.
Speaker 2:
Now the problem is this is that, according to the maximum maxims of law, it states that your truth must be expressed in the form of an affidavit. So are you saying psychologically that you're just a Moor and they're thinking European wise? Oh well, you're talking about the Moors from over in Spain and Portugal and who ruled Europe for 800 years. You ain't talking about no Moors here. But yeah, hold up. I'm looking at the CDC website and on their listing they say Moors, right under Lenape, right in between Nanocoat. These are so-called Native Americans, but they're called Moors. They're known as the Delaware Moors. So hold up, show me the connection between the Moors from Spain and, all of a sudden, these Moors that you're talking about. That's Native American, that's Lenny Lenape or Nanaco, or who you refer to as the Delaware Moors. How did they become named Moors? What was the title? How did they earn that title of Moors? You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:
So there's a lot of stuff in which that is not being connected. All right, and only thing I'm saying is that we can connect these pieces. We have to connect these pieces, ok. So when I look at the title more embedded inside of land, then it automatically ties me back to land, history and culture. And that land can be in Africa, it can be in Asia, it can be right here in America Yep, all three places. We have the term more that existed on all three of these continents. And then it says history. All right, so that's easy to prove the Lenny Lenape.
Speaker 2:
We're talking about Maryland, we're talking about Delaware, we're talking about Pennsylvania, we're talking about New York, we're talking about New Jersey. All of these areas. That's where the Lenny Lenape dwelled. Then we're talking about land, history and culture. What is the culture, you know? So these are the things that we have to Understand. You know, matter of fact, somebody said let not be off from a town called Moortown. Right, yeah, because they still refer to themselves to this day as Moors. Oh, we just have to go back and do more research and put these pieces of this puzzle together. I don't think it was a coincidence that the first place that Prophet Nogodrali left from out of North Carolina Virginia area and went into New Jersey, which is one of the hubs of the Lenny Lenape.
Speaker 3:
We definitely got to bring you back on it. We got to bring you back, man.
Speaker 1:
We're about to wrap it up because we got you know this is our podcast we gotta bring you back on. There's so much to talk about.
Speaker 3:
Much to herbs, to everything I'm definitely gonna hit you up, god, we gotta. We gotta build more man because, like I said, it was to honor you. We appreciate all the contribution you have done to the conscious community, the information that you're doing. You continue striving to bring people herbs and teach them about their history and health and take them to metaphysical realms, and all that that's peace man, and that's the. I gave it a round of applause. Yeah, man, that's peace man.
Speaker 1:
Thank you for coming up, brother. Dr Alim Bey, we will continue to talk, we'll build and see you on the next episode.
