5 Percent Nation, Moorish science, Freedmen

Have you ever wondered how a name can carry profound cultural and personal significance? Join us for an eye-opening conversation with Nayhiem , also known as Lord Abba, as he recounts his extraordinary life journey, from growing up amidst the intense neighborhood rivalries of Far Rockaway, Queens, to his transformation through various spiritual paths. With a backdrop of a turbulent childhood marked by his father’s past as a Hellcat gang member and the emotional impact of his father’s imprisonment, Naheem offers a poignant and intimate look into the forces that shaped his early years.

Nayhiem spiritual evolution is nothing short of captivating. Hear firsthand about his transition from the Nation of Islam to Nuwapu, inspired by enlightening teachings and transformative dreams. We dive into the dramatic events surrounding the raid on the Nuwabian land in Georgia and the subsequent questioning of his long-held beliefs. Nayhiem then takes us through his critical exploration of the Moorish Science Temple of America, drawing wisdom from Noble Drew Ali and navigating the challenges posed by flawed ideologies and deceptive elements within the movement.

As an author and a dedicated member of the Moorish Science Temple, Nayhiem has faced his fair share of criticism and adversity. Discover the motivation behind his influential works like "Noble Drew Ali and the Moorish Science Temple of America" and how these texts aim to educate and uplift individuals, especially those in prison. We dissect the complexities of black identity within the reparations movement, emphasizing the unique historical and legal distinctions of African American freedmen. This episode encapsulates the rich tapestry of Nayhiem experiences, underscoring the importance of recognizing community legends and their invaluable contributions.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

What's going on, everybody? It's Ron Brown, lmt, the People's Fitness Professional. My co-host, mikey Fever, will be on real soon. Right now we got the brother Naheem, aka Lord Abba, in the building. Hold on.

Speaker 2: 0:14

Aka Sheepy.

Speaker 1: 0:20

I'm going to call him the legendary Abba man, the legendary. I'll take that I'll take that. I'll take that Because you know we've had, you know, a few brothers up here that I consider legendary, who've been putting in work in the community for years and years and years and years and years. You're one of them, man. You got to give respect when it's due. You know what I'm saying? Honest yes, man. You got to give respect when it's due. You know what I'm saying? Honest yes, sir. So now Abba, or Naheem, naheem, right.

Speaker 2: 0:51

Yeah, yeah, that's my 5% name. That's the other name that I was born with. That's the name you were born with Exactly. I was born with two names. Let me give that story real briefly.

Speaker 2: 1:07

My father was a Hellcat in Brooklyn. For those of you that's familiar with the Brooklyn gangs the Hellcats that was one of them gangs. They boycotted the movie the Education of Sonny Carson. That's why you don't see them in that movie. Now my mother was a female outlaw, second in command, and she was dealing with my pops at the time, so he told her she couldn't be in the movie. That's why my mother wasn't in this movie. So I come from a specific pedigree and my pops had got shot up and he was recovering out in Jamaica Queens when my mother was due to give birth to me. And so you know, in the 5% teachings the fathers named their sons and the mothers named their daughters. And so, because my pops were still in recovery mode when I was born, my mother named me Deshaun Soon. As my pops seen me two weeks later, he said Nahim, universal Allah, and so you know that's how I got the name Nahim. So that's my birth name. That's my birth name, all right.

Speaker 1: 2:22

So what does Nahim so? That's, that's my birth name. That's my birth name, all right, so not. What does Nahim mean?

Speaker 2: 2:26

Well, nahim comes from the Arabic Naim. It has several meanings. Comfort is is one of them, I think.

Speaker 1: 2:34

Pleasant is another one, heavenly et cetera, et cetera, mm, hmm, ok, ok, so you, you, you, you were born into the five percent nation.

Speaker 2: 2:43

Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, because we pedigreed over here, we ain't just talking, just to be talking. We came up in all this, you know Right right, right.

Speaker 1: 2:53

And then you said your mom was an outlaw.

Speaker 2: 2:56

That's right, can you, because I want to share the link. Are you pre-recording or are we live? This is live. Okay, I would like to share the link out, can you? Let me see yeah definitely, definitely, that's perfect, that's perfect. Okay, yeah, my bad man, All right.

Speaker 1: 3:17

so what do you want me to put in there?

Speaker 2: 3:20

Just put the YouTube link so I can share it out All right.

Speaker 1: 3:25

Do that real quick. All right Peace.

Speaker 2: 3:32

Peace, what's going?

Speaker 1: 3:33

on Peace In the private chat. Can you put the YouTube link in there Please, brother, because I want to keep flowing with the interview. I'm like, can you do that real quick? I got you, I got you. All right, all right. Outlaw Pops 5% Nation. Now you come out of Far Rock. No doubt. I spent a few summers in Queens. Far Rock, from what I know, is off the chain. What was it like growing up in Far Rock?

Speaker 2: 4:13

I mean Far Rock you know every area that's crazy in New York you know you could tell a story about it, and Far Rock is no different. Far Rockaway was one of those areas in Queens you ever heard of like the Napoleon Complex. It's like you short, and because you short, you got a stigma because everybody, you know you think anybody going front on you and try to play you. That's how Far Rockaway was. You know. I put that in the rhyme. I said something beef with BK dudes, because we didn't think they was tougher than us. You know what I'm saying, because I was always getting to beat somebody from Brooklyn, whether it was each channel or just in general.

Speaker 2: 5:00

So you know that was a part of it. That was a part of it. I'm from Brooklyn of it. That was a part of it Got you, I'm from Brooklyn, man. Okay, I mean, I was born in Brooklyn, I was my best stop, you know. I moved to Far Rockaway when I was six. So you know I was basically raised. You know, brooklyn birthed me, but Far Rock raised me. Far Rock raised me. I'm Far Rock to the core.

Speaker 1: 5:26

Shout out to Far Rock, to the core, shout out to Far Rockway Rest in peace. That's right. So what was it like growing up in a 5% household?

Speaker 2: 5:30

So Well, my pops was Locked up. He did the first three years Of his life Doing a bid for something that he didn't do and you know he was angry. He was angry about that of his life, doing a bid for something that he didn't do, and you know he was angry. He was angry about that and when he came home that anger it never subsided. So when you know, when the beef popped off in Brooklyn and you know bodies got to dropping, he was one of the ones that was dropping bodies, and so he got caught for that and did after he was home for about maybe two years. He did like an eight-and-a-half-year stretch. You know he played self-defense, got five years to life. It was a shootout, so you know, from my understanding at least, and so he got five years to life. So he got hit at the board a couple times and then, I think, his second go around when he went to the board. They released him. They released him.

Speaker 2: 6:36

So my mother, she maintained our far right, I mean, excuse me, our 5%, like the culture of it she may, even if she wasn't into the lessons per se the way she used to be, she kept that universal flag up on her wall and you know she still talk in the way that, uh, that earth, that earth talks, and so we were still always grounded in that. And so that leads me into the path of the journey and the various different schools that I walked through, just having that as my foundation, right. Basically, your brain was sparked. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1: 7:17

That's what sparked man Mike. You weren't here earlier, but this brother first of all, was born into the nation. Miles was an outlaw.

Speaker 2: 7:27

Female outlaw. Second in command my pops was a hellcat. Third in command yeah, so it was. It was only right that a general, that a general would be produced. It was only right so now all right.

Speaker 1: 7:43

So you're five percent born in the nation, and then from what I understand or what I know about you, is you got into the nuwabian degrees or you got into forest, like how? Which one came first?

Speaker 2: 7:56

okay, so nuwabu came first, I was actually studying the teachings of this guy named Afu Unu and he wrote these books called. You heard of Afu Unu. If you're looking for knowledge, read me Moonrise and Sunset in Nature, something like that. But earlier on he wrote books called the Nine Ball Liberation Series and Bible Interpretations and Explanations. So that's late 60s and early 70s, 71.

Speaker 2: 8:32

And many say Dr York assumed this man's identity and then took Nwapu. But we could get into that in a few. But that intrigued me, intrigued me and to you know, just kind of moving into Nahuatl. The whole thing is like a crazy, weird story of how I even get there, based on this wild dream that I had that I was in a cave debating with some Muslim dude and then this other dude just came out like it was like he was on skates, but it was no skates, his feet wasn't touching the ground. And then I seen another dude come out with two people flanked behind him holding up these scepters shaped in Egyptian caricatures, and the dude had the Osiris headdress on, with the crook and the flare walking. So then I'm living in Brooklyn at the time it's me and my son's mother my two oldest son's mother and I'm watching ABC News and they sneak a hidden camera on the land and they show the dude walking like how I seen him in my dream. I didn't know that that was him, so I was like, okay, let me, you know. I think this is, you know, the most high, trying to tell me that I need to follow this, this path. And that leads me into Nwapu.

Speaker 2: 9:53

I joined their ancient Egyptian order but shortly after that they raided that land down in Eatonton, georgia, that they call Tamaray, and you know that thing fell apart. But I was able to do my own independent research, made some headway with certain individuals in the organization, I was able to write a book and you know, while I was down with NWAP we called 120 questions to ask a five percenter and a member of the Nation. Wait, you wrote that book, hold on hold on. Yeah, I wrote that. Yeah, I seen that book.

Speaker 2: 10:30

You wrote that book? Yeah, I wrote that book. Great lot of conflict man. Yeah, yeah, yes, but see I created it.

Speaker 4: 10:37

So let me tell you, there's a little more story to that.

Speaker 2: 10:45

So when I first get on MySpace I don't tell nobody who I am, because my 5% name is Lord Abba Nahim and I took that name around 97, 98. I was building with my father the peace to my father, the God of law forever. And shout out to my mother Her nickname is Homie to Brooklyn, two Brooklyn Warriors. They old, super OGs now. You know they old and gray now, but shout out to them yeah, I was building pops and he was like I can't remember what he was breaking down, but he was like Abba, for instance, a-b-b-a is the Aramaic word for father and I was like I, like that. And I just from that point I started calling myself Lord Abba Nahim. And when I got on MySpace I didn't put the Nahim part because I wanted to be anonymous, I didn't want people to know. You know, I didn't want people going to my pops like yo, your son is on MySpace debating with us and going back and forth. So I had wrote a paper first that I used to hand out to Brooklyn, and that was controversial first, because as I got older I started to realize that those lessons, the 5% lessons that come out of the Nation of Islam. They just wasn't historically accurate. And you know, I was in a park one day, tompkins Park, and I was debating with some older guards. I'm talking about like we face to face, because I'm, you know, I'm like yo show and prove. Every time I ask y'all a question, y'all talk about oh, young God, you took that on face value, young God? Ah nah, man, show and prove. Man, don't tell me I took nothing on space value. Can you prove that christianity is 551 years old from the writing of the lessons in the 1930s? Because that only put you back in the 1380s and that's just simply not the case. And you know we got into it. That led, if that's right, around the time I start getting into New Apple. So there was a what age was this? What age were you? I was like 24, 25 around this time.

Speaker 2: 12:53

So it was this one guard. I can't think of his name, but he used to sell one of the newspapers. I don't know if it was the 5% of it, it wasn't the 5%. Another guard, elder, sold that paper the newspapers. I don't know if it was the 5% of, it wasn't the 5% of. Another guard, elder sold that paper. It's beautiful. No, no, no, no, it's this guard's name. I can't think of his name, but the stuff that I was dropping that I had read from one of your books.

Speaker 2: 13:22

He had went and did his own independent research on Farad. This dude had like 13 binders. He wanted me to meet him at Harlem. He was so scared that the guards was going to do something to him because he figured out this information. I had to go meet him in Harlem. We sat down and he showed me all the research he did. He did, and you know that was like my final exit from out of of the 5% group and you know the Nation of Gods and Nerds, and then I just thought I start getting into Nwapu and you know that that story is is another story. I don't know if you're trying to get a question there before then, but there's a bridge from from each point to each point and as I'm talking about it, I'm kind of remembering, uh, remembering it at the same time. But, and so I'll get into that, I'll get into that.

Speaker 1: 14:13

So 25, you're going to to new apple around 25, 26.

Speaker 2: 14:21

I started studying new. I'm not fully into it yet. I tell you about the dream. Now I know about Dr York because my dude Raheem is the first one that introduced me to him. Raheem and LA brothers. That was in Columbus, ohio. We was all out there hustling around 1991. You know wild young New York dudes Out of state you already know how that go.

Speaker 2: 14:45

We out there hustling around 90, 91. You know, wild young New York dudes Out of state, you already know how that go. And so we out there hustling, but Rob was on something else, so but one year he came back. I was in New York already and he came back and he wanted to get at me with this new knowledge that he learned Because I was always the 5% of him. We was 10, 11 years old, telling them yo, your name's Shabon, you don't eat pork no more. Your new name is Rakim. God Allah, you don't eat pork no more. This is what I was doing at 10, 11 years old.

Speaker 2: 15:12

My Jehovah Witness dudes. They was two brothers, adrian and Roger. They pops tore their asses up because they claimed that they wasn't Christian. No more, they was God body. They wasn't Christian, no more, they was God body, you know. And they was eating pork. There was an eating pork, no more. None of that. It was hilarious.

Speaker 2: 15:31

But Raheem came back and he was going there and it was new information to me. So as I'm listening to it, I'm like, you know, I can't follow it, I can't really refute it because it's new and he's going, and he's going a thousand miles a minute. So a few years later I go back to Columbus, ohio. This is the year 2000,. Matter of fact. So I'm out there hustling. Raheem gave up the hustle game. He's deep into Malakazi, york and the new Wapian doctrine. So we go hang out at the club one night and he was like yo man, when you know, when this is over, come back to the crib with me, man, let's build. I was like I ain't no doubt. So we go back to the crib and this dude got like a thousand books and he's going in and the information is so intriguing to me because, as a young 5%er, certain things resonate with you, even with York. Talk about spaceships and all that stuff. That stuff was also talked about in the Nation of Islam doctrine, right, the baby planes, that's right.

Speaker 2: 16:33

the baby planes with the drill tips on it that could drill six miles into the ground and then explode. So that was a part of my upbringing, that type of information. So that made what my do-ri was spitting at me from York's teachings, you know. It made it intriguing and I wanted to learn more and so eventually I got into that, you know. So you know, like I said, I wrote the book 120 Questions to Ask a 5%er. I wrote several online papers. One I put on MySpace called the Science of the Seven. That was one of my best papers I wrote at the time where I was just breaking down everything. I go back sometimes and look at that joint and I was like this is still deep. It's still deep because I pulled all the seven references from the Bible to Quran and certain other schools of thought. And you know, I created just created a little research paper out of it. And you know, from there we get, we get into the moral science temple of America. You know.

Speaker 1: 17:42

So Okay, and what age was that? So like at 25, 26 new apple. So let's say what? Around 30, 35? Yeah, because I moved.

Speaker 2: 17:55

I moved to athens, georgia, in 2007. Okay, so um 20? No, no, no, no, 30. About 32, 33. Right, where I'm really, really getting into it. But now I'm out in Athens, where they have their base at, and I'm seeing them. I'm seeing a bunch of weird stuff locked up. They are worshiping and praying to an effigy of Dr York, thinking that this is going to hasten his release. I'm like, nah, this ain't for me, but this is what wise men are supposed to do, in my opinion. We're supposed to walk through every school of thought.

Speaker 2: 18:42

So then I move and I tell this story all the time. I move to the South and child support hits me as soon as I start working. So in my mind I'm like yo, this is unfair. I've always taken care of my children, yada, yada, yada. You know I'm not going to get into the personal stuff about it, but so I got that propelled me into the Sovereign Citizen movement. I was like I want to fight this, this is unfair. I started doing research on how child support disproportionately targets our men and I was like nah, this ain't right and exact right here. So I got into the Sovereign Citizen movement, which then led me into the Moorish Sovereign Citizen Movement.

Speaker 2: 19:25

I got up with a group named Miracle, cheyenne and Elamir. These dudes I was going to keep it official. These dudes was just straight scam artists. But in that moment we built the rapport and we were able to expand on certain teachings, things that they brought out, things that I brought out, but the things that were right and exact I still utilize till this day, and the things that were right and exact even from the sovereign citizen movement. I was able to make the corrections to them by simply doing the proper research and now it's a part of my, my teachings, right, we, we, uh. What father allah used to say eat the meat, spit out the bones. Right, pause, I guess we got to say that nowadays, right, but um, yeah, so, uh, what you know? It's just a wow. Just a wow how I get from one point to the to the next point now, how were you introduced to the sovereign movement? Yeah, how did that come about?

Speaker 2: 20:29

It just seemed to happen and I came across something. And then it was this brother that I met from Florida. I can't think of his name right now. He was a Nuwapian and he was rolling with this cat that I was building when he was down with Dr York since 77, named George Prestel. He's still on my friends list right now, to this day. We took his last name, prestel, and we would call him Priest of El. I can't think of the dude's name down in Florida, but he sent me something. I was like yo.

Speaker 2: 21:06

It was like the sovereign citizen information. I think it was a white woman. What was her name?

Speaker 2: 21:16

Some of this stuff is just so vague because I'm so far past that right now and this is the first time I've talked about this stuff in a while as well. It may have been Mary something, but I listened to that. I couldn't sleep. I was like these people duping us. You know what I'm saying? The money ain't real, the fiat currency. You know I was talking to all that sovereign citizen.

Speaker 2: 21:37

I was licenses, certificates worth millions and billions of dollars. I mean, when I tell you I locked into it, I locked into it and that's what we do as Freedmen, right, and we're going to get into the Freedmen aspect a little later, because many people seem to be confused. And then you have the people that have always been about confusion my bad, my phone's going on. You have the people that's always been about confusion, confusion stirring up more confusion. So Most of our people are indigent. For the most part, you know poor Right and so when you're trying to make it to a middle class level and there's something that knocks you down the peg, it's hard for you to climb back up that ladder. And this is why you've seen so many people get stuck in the sovereign citizen movement. Many of them are doing years in prison. Right now they're doing years in prison.

Speaker 2: 22:39

Fortunately, I was not so dogmatic that I was able to break away from that stuff and get into the teachings of of Noble Drew Ali. And even before I get there, I meet a brother named Mo from Colorado. He was originally from Florida. The guy from Florida introduces me to Mo. So it's crazy how the whole new WAPU Morris 5% thing weaves together and moves me to the point where I'm at right now, and so me and Mo start building. He's putting me on to a certain game and he's telling me he has success in the courts and all of these different things and I'm, like you know, following we trying this stuff right, no, accepting for value and printing up silver coins and all this goofy stuff we just put that At least the time man, At least the time.

Speaker 2: 23:33

Yeah, we all tried that, bro. If you think about it. For those of us that were knowledgeable, that were really knowledge seekers, we were still able to take some of that stuff right and discard the BS. My brother Ali, a shout out to my team Be the Power. My brother Ali. My brother Josh, my brother Ibrahim. Shout out to my brother Logic. Shout out to my brother Grim. You know, ali says all the time those sovereign citizen morals. If you really break down what they was saying, they was hitting at it, but they just it was. It was just shrouded in a bunch of pseudo isms coupled with anti-government sentiment.

Speaker 2: 24:26

So once I get into the teachings of Noble Dru Ali, I was able to decouple the Moorish aspect from well, the anti-government aspect from the Moorish teachings, and then I was able to lean more into his teachings, and that's another stage. That's another phase of how I get there, because once I started to realize that them cats from Marrakech was nothing more than scam artists and people was hitting me up, they was like yo, brother, lord Abba, man, you seem like a good hearted dude man. You rolling with these dudes. These dudes is snakes. They took my bread. I'm talking to them on the back channel, they ignoring me. So I'm like yo, man, dudes is hitting y'all, saying dudes is hitting me up, saying they trying to get at y'all about these packages, these dissolution and whatever the hell packages they were selling at the time. And then once they flaked out on me, it was a wrap. It was a wrap. I was like, nah, I ain't rocking with these cats. And that was it.

Speaker 2: 25:25

Next thing, you know, transition into the Morris science. I'm like yo, I know I'm on this path for a reason. I'm on this path for a reason. And so I remember sitting up one night and I was like let me look into Noble Drew Ali, because he's the one that brings this whole Moorish thing in the first place. I've looked everywhere except that what he brought, and I've read his oral sayings and his prophecies and I was like man, this dude is as great as Dr York and Elijah Muhammad, or greater. And from that point I start transitioning into into more science, man. So you know it was, it's, it's, it's. You know there's a lot of in between, but you know we doing an interview and I'm kind of flowing with it. I know y'all may have some questions, but it is a continuum from my birth. It's a continuum from my birth until where I'm at right now. You know I said it in the rhyme I said before I came into this world.

Speaker 2: 26:32

Pop Duke was left for dead. A couple hit his back, a few shots, rocked his head. It's crazy and reminiscing to something my mother said one night when she was walking up them BK streets. She was taking Pop to Blick. He was probably the same beef and a bad and building villain. Some dude laying the creep. I ain't eat all week. Um, do you have a dollar, miss? She reached in a bag and he reached for a risk, he thinking about rape, she thinking about escape. But wait, she backed out that Trey pound cake.

Speaker 2: 27:00

Was it divine intervention? Was it? Was it an act of fate? Let's save him because he's going to be great. The angels sing for him and that's how I carry my life. That it was like divine intervention. From the time this dude where my mother was pregnant with me trying to pull me I mean pull her into the building to do God knows what right and her having a .357 on her that she was taking to my pops because of the beef he had, because you know he had got shot up. So he was trying to get his get back. So it was just crazy, man. No, this was before he got shot up. Matter of fact, this was before he got shot up. I think this is what sparked the beef. I think they went and did something and then the dudes retaliated. I can't remember the story of so long ago.

Speaker 1: 27:47

Now to take it back to. I think you met a brother named Mo.

Speaker 2: 27:55

Is that how you got into Morris Science? Yeah, but I.

Speaker 2: 28:00

Hmm, ah, that's a tough one. That's a good question, cause I don't, I wouldn't I'm not going to say it was necessarily him, but he helped with that, with that push to get me into into the science. So, um, and he was on Drew Ali heavy. He was on Drew Ali heavy. I think I looked into, I think I may have looked into Noble Drew Ali before I met Mo, if I'm not mistaken. I can't remember at the moment I skipped a part, because my first interaction with the Sovereign Mo's wasn't with Marra Kush, it was with this group. What was the name of it? Sister Abundance Child, and we still cool to this day. She was a part of that group?

Speaker 2: 28:52

What in the world was the name of it? Man Jeez, this was so long ago and I haven't spoken about this stuff in a minute.

Speaker 4: 29:00

This sounds crazy by the minute. Man Like all these groups. What were they doing?

Speaker 2: 29:06

You know, and everybody knows, that sister is. You know she's been in the movement for a minute. She runs the Drop Squad Vegan Restaurant up in Delaware, one of the top vegan restaurants in the country. So that's when I met her and this brother named Ned, because that was my nickname as well, my Moorish name was Nebu Abare Elbe. I laugh every time. I say that because it just sounds so funny to me. You know Nebu Abare Elbe, but yeah, man. So yeah, mo definitely made me look a little bit deeper into the teachings of Noble Dru Ali. So I can't necessarily say no or yeah. Yes, because I can't fully remember. But I'll never forget because I moved down here to Athens, georgia, and I've never had allergies a day in my life. And there was a couple cats from Miracush, this dude named Sheru, his wife and his brother. They lived about two hours away. I think it's Canton, georgia, I believe.

Speaker 2: 30:08

So I'm getting rhinitis, but I don't know what's going on. I'm like yo, I can't breathe. What the hell is going on right now? You know my people's like yo, you got allergies. I'm like I've never had allergies a day in my life. I'm the God, gods allergies a day of my life. I'm the guard. Guards don't get allergies what y'all talking about, man? I had a serious 5% guard complex and come to find out it was allergies.

Speaker 2: 30:30

But they drove one day, right, and they was like you need a blunt. I was like, nah, I don't smoke, I ain't smoking years, man. So they drive. And we just wanted to meet anyway. So they came through, they brought me a blunt and that blunt sat there for like seven days but I couldn't breathe at night. It seemed like at night the polyps in my nose would just swell up. It was like two beads you know the beads you put in girls' hair. It was like those was in my nose and my nostrils and I was trying to breathe through the little hole. I was like, well, let me see if this blunt is going to help. And that's at the same time that I start reading the Circle 7. And, man, it took me three nights to read that Circle 7. Usually, if you know how big the Circle 7 is, man, the Circle 7 is like it's thinner than this, it's thinner than this. You can read that in an hour and a half.

Speaker 2: 31:23

But I was processing what I was reading based on all of the previous schools of thought that I had walked through seeing things in the book like the God man and father, allah, right. So my 5% mind is recognizing certain words and certain phrases. Allah never made a heaven for man and he never made a hell. We are creators and we make our own right. This is what I was taught as a young 5%-er. This is the breakdown of the supreme alphabet love, hell or right, right. So it's like we make our own heaven and we make our own hell. And you ever hear any 5%-ers break down heaven or hell? It comports with what's taught in that circle seven. So I just was like that's why it took me three days. I would jump back from up out of my chair, high as hell, or for three pulls, because I wasn't smoking like that. But the weed was just working in my mind and it was helping me to process the information. And I remember this one dude I used to rock with that was down with Merrick Kush. All these dudes turned into Lord Abba, haters Snow Bay. We used to call him Osak Bay. We was all in a swipe what is it called? Skype group? And when we was in Marra Kush this is before I leaves Marra Kush. So I broke the Circle 7 down. One day we was all on Skype and the dude, snow Bay, was like I never heard.

Speaker 2: 33:09

Nobody read the Circle 7 and give a breakdown in the way you gave it off the first read. What's your address? I'm about to mail you. I'm about to mail you some books, some of them books I still have to this day, matter of fact. I was going to try to grab a couple of you know, just in case he's watching, I could, I could hold up a few just to let it be known, so he'll know. Like yeah, that's true, that that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 2: 33:34

And, um, you know, I learned about different people. I learned about ross sadiel because he mailed me ross sadiel's books and horrible English you could barely make out the words. Then I finally heard Ross Adiel speak. I was like this dude wrote how he speaks. There's no editor. What is going on here? This is wild. I learned about Osam Hopkins Bay because he sent me books. One was about marriage and one was about nationality. So now I'm starting to learn about certain figures and then I'll start moving away from the sovereign citizen stuff and I find myself in in the morris science temple of america and this is what temple is this?

Speaker 2: 34:20

okay? So when I first come into the morris science temple of amer, I proclaimed in Temple 19 in Atlanta, georgia, in 2008. I believe I still got that nationality card. I think it's in my wallet. It's fading away somewhere. Oh no, I probably threw it away. I can't remember. But yeah, that's about, I believe, 2008. I believe, if I'm not mistaken my memory serves me correctly June 2008,.

Speaker 2: 34:52

Haru Renisi-El, who you know. He's a part of the controversial part of my story. You know there's a lot of. You know I don't know what it was with me that made a lot of people hate me. Some people used to say I looked like Noble Drew Ali, so I didn't know if that was what it was, but it was just weird. I mean, the hatred was weird. And today, even today, you have buffoons like Tahaka Bay still attacking me on his YouTube channel while we are pushing legislation on his YouTube channel. While we are pushing legislation, and the very concepts that we're discussing is now being discussed on MSNBC as viable options and alternatives. As the quote unquote white supremacists are shutting down DEI programs all over the country after last June's ruling on affirmative action.

Speaker 4: 35:45

So you know Peace. You forgot to add that you wrote a book that I was looking for for years man Exhuming the Nation and I saw that price. That wasn't you right.

Speaker 2: 35:58

No, that's a brother named Pleasant Bay. That's another strange strange character. I think you was marketing on your page.

Speaker 2: 36:06

My bad, my book is called Noble Drew Ali and the Morish Science Temple of America, the movement that started it all. So you know when I yeah, that was one of the books. When I wrote it, the book was highly sourced. I think I used maybe 40 different references for that book. One of the people that came out hating on me was Sharif Bae, someone I see on your channel a lot. I try to make it seem like I didn't give credit to the people that I cited, like Ra Sadiel what was that? One brother that wrote the Mucarabian Files. Some of these people's names escaped me at this moment, like bro, what are you talking about? It's everybody's sources that are pulled from are right here. What do you mean? I didn't cite the people. So you know this was just some of the stuff that I had to deal with and it's why I left the movement. But I actually wrote several books in in that, in that movement, you know. I'll see if I can pull those up. Yeah, my bad, it was this one right here.

Speaker 2: 37:09

Let me see. Yeah, that's one of them. That's the Moray Science. So what that is was a compilation of all of the different blogs that I've written over the past years. I think I did put out a book too. Did I put out a book? I can't remember. Like I said, it's been so long ago, but it was going to be in three parts. I wrote another book called you, the God man, the Working Tools of the Mind. I was writing information that let me see if I can pull this up. That would that. Let me see if I can pull this up. That would, especially for those that were in prison. That was my thinking. I wanted to help rebuild their mentals. Let's do a screen share real quick so I can show people the books that I've written. All right, so these are my books right here the Moabites, who are the Moors. Now, this stemmed from a paper that I wrote. I'm going to pull that up in a few minutes. So, obviously, the Circle 7, I wrote an English version of the Circle 7. I should say I edited and created an English version of the Circle 7. And I'm going to get into a story on that.

Speaker 2: 38:31

I compiled the Moorish Lit. I created a civics guide. I took an old 1916 civics book and I simply edited it for today's day and time, for the more rich Americans. I had people again like Sharif, they hating on me, saying I plagiarized the book, although I gave credit to the author in the book. I literally said at the end of the book that this book stems from a 1916 works on civics, et cetera, et cetera. You already pulled up you to God man right here, et cetera, et cetera. You already pulled up you to God man right here.

Speaker 2: 39:07

I wrote a book called debunking the myth of blackness. Where, you know, are we black? Because the universe is black? Did Allah create people out of black mud? And so we're black, right, what else man? Osiris was called Lord of the perfect black. I debunked that myth. Osiris was never, ever called called Lord of the Perfect Black.

Speaker 2: 39:30

But because I had so many haters in the MST of, a lot of people didn't read these books. They just simply didn't get to read the books. This is the Holy Quran of the Moral Science, simple of America, standard English Version. Now, I remember giving that book to my wife at the time and she said it was good, not this one, the original. She said it was good, but the second part of the book, the thou and thys and attaineth right, it was too much for her to grapple with. I said, hmm, bibles and Korans today have English versions, standard English versions. So what I did was I created a standard English version of this particular book and, of course, everybody hated on me.

Speaker 2: 40:26

But what was so funny was that I'm going to call some names. Today we're having a conversation Lasana Tunica L, who was cool with me until he joined Ali's men. I think the requisite to join Ali's men was that you had to be a Lord, abba akaka, a Wade L hater. I'll never forget that. He called me and said his grand sheet, which was Renice L. Also said that the I'm going off of memory so I could be missing some aspects. Also said that his daughter couldn't read the second half of the book and it was kind of a turnoff. So he commended me for creating. Now, that's something he didn't do in public, but it was something that he called me and said if I'm lying about anything, I'm pretty certain these names that I'm calling y'all are familiar with. Y'all could do some double checking and these people either going to confirm or deny it, but I'm going to tell you the truth as I remember it, and my nickname is Mr, just the facts. I have no reason to lie about anything.

Speaker 2: 41:34

This was one of my one of my best books right here the working tools of the mind where I took from the circle seven you know the working tools the hammer, the axe, the compass, the square and I gave a breakdown from my interpretation on how these metaphysical tools could be used to help build up character. Somebody like Tahaka Bay would have benefited if he would have read the working tools of the mind. He wouldn't have been a 52-year-old buffoon jumping around on YouTube slandering men all day. This was another book that I did that I loved. It was plain, the cover was plain and I wanted it that way. You, the God man, the power is in your mind, and it was edits from a self-help guru by the name of Dr Robert Anthony, mixed with the teachings that I learned from the Circle 7. I mean, both of those were like two rays from the same lamp and so I combined those into one book.

Speaker 2: 42:39

I mean, I got so many letters from prisoners, man. I've got that stuff stored, but if I could pull out the letters that I received from prisoners, people like Arnold Sutton Bade and another brother that just recently turned on me, and those brothers, those Moors out of Detroit and this is the big book right here Noble Drew Ali, and the Mororish Science Temple of America, the movement that started it all, yeah, yeah, definitely. Kamati Malakou El, working Tools of the Mind, and you, the God man, is definitely some heat. You know what? I'm going to put the link in the private chat and you know, if y'all don't mind, if y'all could put that into the main chat so that the people will be able to click on it and then they could see, like you know what? Yeah, this brother was about the prophet's work. Why was he so hated? Why in the world was this man so hated? But it is what it is. I done moved on from that and now I'm into politics.

Speaker 1: 43:47

So you know and I'm here for the questions, anybody we just like to let people flow when they get on the platform, because you gave us a timeline. This is exactly what we needed from you to take us from your history, from being a five percenter now to the free man. So now, after, after going into new apple, new apple, morris science. Then you went into what after morris science?

Speaker 2: 44:17

so really nothing. Morris science was really my last school of thought. Once I got into Morris science I felt that I had everything that I needed for my spiritual growth and my spiritual journey, et cetera, et cetera. I'll never forget when I read the circle seven. When I got finished I said I remember holding it. I was holding it like this, I was sitting in front of my computer. I was like with this book, little booklet, with this little pamphlet, right here I could go and talk with the spiritual leaders of the world. And I remember, during the recession, I was selling this coffee called Organo Gold, which was hard to move during a recession but it was innate.

Speaker 2: 45:02

I went into this coffee shop because I was trying to convince them to sell this. So it was a Native American guy. I walked by him. I walked about maybe five feet and he called me, said excuse me, excuse me. He said your soul. He said I just feel your spirit when you walk by. I just got it and I have my fez on. He said I just got to have a word with you. If you don't mind, have a seat.

Speaker 2: 45:31

We sat down and that's how we conversed. It was like speaking a foreign language to somebody that didn't know that language or know or understand our lessons. But they would have understood you know what I'm saying, what those degrees would have meant and how uplifting they were. Because that's all I was doing was citing from the Circle 7. And he was just citing from his spiritual degrees and the two just were perfect matches. And we sat there for about a good 40 minutes chopping it up. So that was it. Freedman is not a school of thought. Freedman is not a school of thought. If you, what? If you look at the teachings of of Noble Drew Ali and you really understand what he was saying, then you will understand how valuable what it is that we're bringing right now with the Freeman.

Speaker 1: 46:22

Yeah, exactly so. So now with the freemen. Yeah, exactly so. So now with the freemen um demonstration. What's the origin of the freemen organization? Or is it an organization? Is it a movement?

Speaker 2: 46:36

okay, so we call it the freemen conscious movement, right, the freemen conscious movement, right, the Friedman conscious movement. When we first come into the reparation space, there are, there's a. There's a group of people Yvette Carnell, antonio Moore, adar's on one side, you got Tariq Nasheed in the FBA on the other side and then you got us be the power. We come in, so we kind of form this three headed monster, if you will. You know these people, obviously Tariq Nasheed and Yvette Carnell from her previous platforms. They're higher profile than we are, but we are coming with something that is the missing link between what it is that they're teaching and we're listening to them, especially the ADARs group, because what they're saying is they have a, they're starting to have a problem with this fictitious label that this European placed on us with the intent of socially keeping us in a degraded state while he is uplifted socially in a higher state. And so the more we started to build, because there's a lot of rumors about we tried to take over the ADOS movement. All of that stuff is lies and the people that know they know that that stuff is lies. And the people that they say we tried to take over, they know that is lies.

Speaker 2: 48:16

I'm going to see if I can pull up this video by Muhammad Ali, let me see. Let me see something because I want to, I want to, I want to play this, if you don't mind, real quick, because I want you to see what I'm talking about. So give me one sec. And this this is my sister right here, kelly Pryor, nevada Freeman, all of Freeman. Our network is vast, all over the country, all over the country. So let me know when y'all ready, because I want to play this, and let me know if y'all can hear it.

Speaker 1: 48:57

All right we ready.

Speaker 3: 48:59

58. We couldn't eat in the restaurants in Louisville. We couldn't eat downtown. One day I saw two Africans go in with their robes and their turpils. They couldn't speak English. I heard the man say let him in they're not Negroes.

Speaker 3: 49:13

I said something's wrong. I can't say it's because I'm black, because they're so black and they're blue. But they went in. So I said, well, I can only be gold medal, then I'll go in. I went and got my gold medal, went back in, ordered two cheeseburgers. They said sorry, we don't serve Negroes. I said I don't eat them either. Just give me two cheeseburgers. And she said you're getting smart. She called the manager and he said something about. I don't care who he is. She said it's Cassius Clay, I don't care who he is. She said Skashe Slade, I don't care who he is. Anyway, but I couldn't. The idea was I couldn't eat that, so I got so angry.

Speaker 2: 49:49

I could stop it right there, right. So why did I play that? Why did I play that? When we got into this movement right, because I was always for reparations. I used to debate with Sharif Bey to Harker Bey and any other more that was against reparations. And that's why we question the background of certain individuals, because we usually find out that the people that are against reparations are not freedmen. They do not come from the freedmen style, but I can get into that later. I used to debate these guys on this topic. I'm like well, nobu Durali was quoted as saying that one day the European is going to have to pay for the work that our ancestors did in slavery and pay off in compounding interest.

Speaker 2: 50:35

I said that's reparations. He was detailing there. That's if he said it. They're saying that's reparations. He's, he was detailing that. That's if he said it right. You know they're saying so. We don't know for certain if he said it right. So I played that.

Speaker 2: 50:47

Because blackness for the reparations movement is a problem, because everybody's black, right, we're black. The african immigrant is black, third generation. It doesn't matter the Jamaican, the people from the Caribbean, they're black. I don't care if you come from Brazil, if you look like us any one of us on the screen they're going to call you black was in Egypt with Mustafa Hefny, and the Office of Management and Budget just changed that a few months ago by designating a MENA category, which is Middle Eastern and North African. We went there and we to the OMB and we fought for disaggregation. So in that, we understood what Nobu Durali was trying to do by saying that we are Moorish Americans and him identifying the problem with this term, blackness, and that we wouldn't really get anywhere underneath the term.

Speaker 2: 51:51

What did Muhammad Ali say? He said I went into a Louisville diner. I went into a Louisville diner and two Africans went in before me. He said they were so black, they was perfect, but they told him they wouldn't serve him. So it wasn't racism. Think about it. If these Europeans, these white folks, were racist, would they have served the black Africans? No, they'd have said nos, I don't care where you're from, but according to Muhammad Ali, they were served. That means that we are a specific class of people and when you start looking into like you know, I could, man. I got notes on all of this stuff, man I could really get into some of it. I could pull up PowerPoint. But that's what was determined after the Civil War. And there was a case Fairfield versus Lawson and the Supreme Court of Connecticut where we get the first definition of who a freedman is One who was emancipated after the Civil War and their descendants.

Speaker 2: 53:06

When you look at the teachings of Noble Drew Ali, they were right in the it was. What we're teaching is no different. What we're teaching is no different. We're just saying that we're freedmen. So freedmen is not a school of thought unless delving into constitutional law, constitutional history and reconstruction history is somehow a new school of thought.

Speaker 2: 53:28

So I know, because me and my brother Grimm did a video. What was that, seven years ago, called? We've Been Citizens in this Country from day one, while we were still in the Moorish movement. We brought light to the teachings of Noble Jew Ali like nobody else had done, and I don't state that boastfully, I state that as a matter of absolute fact, absolute fact. So you know that's what freedmanism is. If you can trace an ancestor, one line, you know many of us have both lines that we can trace back to the slave labor camps right, but both my lines run through South Carolina. So if you can trace one of your ancestors back to one of them, slave labor camps in this country and you can especially find that they were free, which they would have had to been, or you probably wouldn't be here today.

Speaker 1: 54:30

Does it have anything to do with the Dawes files?

Speaker 2: 54:33

No, that's a whole different thing. So, okay, but that's a good question, though, because a lot of people are confused on the Indian freedmen. So who are the Indian freedmen? The Indian freedmen are the Choctaw freedmen, the Cherokee freedmen, the Chickasaw freedmen, the Creek freedmen and the Seminole the Creek or Muskogee and the Seminole freedmen. I always mix them up and mess one of them up, so forgive me, but I believe that many of them were able to get on the Dawes Rolls.

Speaker 2: 55:08

But the thing you hear the key word that they're called Chickasaw Freedmen and Choctaw Freedmen. Right, they were given this special status by the nations that they themselves were enslaved under. Because what a lot of people do not know is that the so-called five civilized tribes, or, as I call them, the five slaveholding tribes, enslaved our ancestors too. So imagine y'all cousins, right, ron and Mikey as cousins, and at birth, the European slaveholder sells Mikey to a chief wannabe slave master, right, that's just what we're going to call him, because that's what they wanted to be. Then they had their during the Trail of Tears, what a lot of people don't know.

Speaker 2: 55:57

And you hear our people trying to, you know, sympathize with the Native Americans over the Trail of Tears. No, that was another ma'afa for us, that was another middle passage for us, because they took their quote unquote Black slaves with them into places like Oklahoma and then the Midwest. When you look at the foundation of Black Wall Street, what you get is freedmen from the Indian tribe and American freedmen, us coming together to purchase the Greenwood district and build it up, et cetera, et cetera. But how did they get the status of freedmen? And are they the only freedmen? Because that's another question that has come about. But the fact is we got the legal constitutional classification of freedmen in 1865. Okay, where do I find?

Speaker 2: 56:52

that Right there. So if you know the history, you know that the United States had to negotiate with the five so-called civilized tribes and that negotiation lasted about eight months, until 1866. And they were finally free and the United States created treaties with these five civilized tribes, as they called them. Treaties with these five civilized tribes, as they called them Civilized because they knew how to enslave our ancestors and treat them just as harsh. They called that civility, I guess right. So they didn't get the freedman status until a year later. The problem was, was reconstruction for our people ended in 1872, and some will say 1877. That's when it ends for us. That's when that term freedman starts to wane and they start calling us Negro, black and Colored the names that was given to us by slaveholders during the times of slavery, just like Noble Drew Ali said. So essentially, what we're doing is carrying on the works and the teachings of that man. Because that's exactly what we're doing.

Speaker 2: 58:20

I'm going to pull up. I want to pull up something because I want to show that we're not just, this isn't no new school of thought, and that everything ties in. And I might do a live stream. I don't know, I'm building with y'all right now, so I kind of want to flow. It's 8.30. I don't know what y'all's cutoff time is, but I want to pull up something because I want to show y'all that what we're saying is 100% all wise, right and exact. But if you have any questions while I'm pulling this up, Nah, we're just letting you flow.

Speaker 2: 59:04

All right, cool. So let me pull this up. I want to show y'all. So these are the notes that I took from last year's Supreme Court ruling on affirmative action. Justice Clarence Thomas out of all people he gave us the blueprint. So when Noble Drew Ali says this European, or was quoted as saying this European is going to have to pay off for the work that our ancestors did in slavery and pay off in compounding interest, justice Thomas you know we've called him a thousand coons many of us over the years he sets us up legally in the Supreme Court to kill many arguments, many, many arguments. So I want to start here. These are from my notes, but this is from the case Justice Thomas concurred.

Speaker 2: 59:59

In the wake of the Civil War, the country focused its attention on restoring the Union and establishing the legal status of newly freed slaves. So when you hear us teaching about freedmanism, we separate them. Itself just is a status. It denotes, and connotes a new condition from the previous condition, that is, slavery. When we say American freedmen, we're speaking about a specific ethnic group who are in fact citizens of the United States of America and constitute a specific class of individuals numbering about 50 million in this country. And we say American freedmen, in the same way they say Chickasaw freedmen, choctaw freedmen, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So I'm going to scroll down through most of this because I want to show y'all that what we have been teaching on this subject for the past four years was highlighted in the Supreme Court's ruling on affirmative action. He said the government can plainly remedy a race-based injury that it has inflicted. Those such remedies must be meant to further a colorblind government, not perpetuate racial consciousness.

Speaker 2: 1:01:31

Because we came out of the Moorish movement, what they call at the house of the Drew many people have several different names for it we were able to write an amicus curiae brief and submit it to the Supreme Court in December of 2022. And while it was too late for the submission, we talked with several of the top DC attorneys and I can pull those emails up. See, we've been working over here. We've been working over here, but we talked to several of the top attorneys in DC, two of which was on the actual case. One said he couldn't give us any response because he's working on the case and that would constitute giving out legal advice. The other guy, however, who cited in this piece, he did respond. He said submit it anyway, because you never know what the justices may use. So what we will say is they wasn't talking like this before we submitted our amicus, or amicus some pronouncing. And that's just the fact.

Speaker 2: 1:02:40

My brother Josh, he's the most humble out of all of us and he'll tell you straight up that he believes that our submission to the Supreme Court on that case influenced what Justice Thomas says right here where he says, and importantly, however, the acts apply to freedmen and refugees, a formerly race neutral category, not blacks, writ large. And because not all blacks in the United States were former slaves, friedman was a decidedly under inclusive proxy for race. Why use terminology underlusive proxy for race? Why use terminology under-inclusive proxy for race? Because it was incidental, based on the judicial system of the United States of America I mean, excuse me, the racial classification system of the United States of America that we were of a specific race but we weren't freed because we were of a race. We were freed because we were in bondage and we were citizens in this country. You got to think when we brought this out. We brought this out years ago when we said that in a piece that me and Grimm did seven years ago, where Justice Curtis and Justice McLean, the two dissenters in the Dred Scott case, proved that our people were citizens in this country, in the North and at least five Northern states is what they cited we were citizens and that we had the elective franchise and that we voted for the representatives who signed the Articles of Confederation, which then would become the Constitution for these United States. So, like I said, fellas, we kept the movement moving.

Speaker 2: 1:04:45

I don't know if somebody's trying to ask me a question because I'm flowing right now, but I want to get into this real quick and then I can shut this part of it down, because, let me see, awareness Daily asks is the status of citizen equated to violence or conservatitude, and is freedom in the status that is, versus to the citizen's status? I didn't really understand the question, but no, no to everything you're saying, brother, no to everything you're saying. So let me read this, because this is important For those that have been rocking with us me as Sheik, way-el and Way-El in the Morris Science Temple of America. You will know that since at least 2011,. And my brother Ali and myself, and when we was with Merrick Bush, we pulled out Federal Directive 15, which gave a breakdown of the racial classification. Go back to my 2011 video Black Status versus Mortgage, american Nationality and the Issue of Reparations. That's the name of the video 2011. It got over 270,000 views and I got a lot of stuff wrong because I was transitioning out of the sovereign citizen movement into, as a matter of fact, I didn't get a lot of stuff wrong. I got a few things wrong because I went and watched it a couple months back and I was like man, I was pretty much on point about everything that I touched on, besides those elements of sovereign citizenship mumbo, jumbo, right but everything else was basically on point. We touched on this directly. I want to read you this is from the same case concurring opinion from Justice Gorsuch. It says where do these boxes come from? You know how you got to check a box Black, african-american, white, hispanic, native American or other. Well, he's asking the question, begging the question where do these boxes come from?

Speaker 2: 1:06:50

Bureaucrats, a federal interagency commission devised this scheme of classifications in the 1970s to facilitate data collection. Cd Bernstein, the modern American law of race. Now, ironically, this guy, bernstein, not only wrote for this particular topic, he also helped work on this case and he's also one of the people that we was emailing back and forth and I can pull those emails. The commission acted quote without any input from anthropologists, sociologists, ethnologists or other experts. Again, if you've been following any of my work, you've seen me break down federal directive 15 many times since the year 2011. And yet we're here with Justice Curtis agreeing with what he's breaking down in 2011.

Speaker 2: 1:07:54

And Justice Clarence Thomas confirming what we've uncovered with Friedman status in the same case. He said, recognizing the limitations of their work, federal regulators cautioned that their classifications quote could not be interpreted as being scientific or anthropological in nature, nor should they be viewed as determinants of eligibility for participation in any federal program. Why is that important? If we would have got the designation Moorish American and we and my team, we look back on it now. Right, there's a flaw in it when we look at it through a 2024 lens. There's a flaw in it when we look at it through a 2024 lens, but that flaw wasn't there during the time of Noble Juali. And the flaw is, if you or your family have migrated to the United States of America and proclaimed yourself as a Moorish American in the Moorish Science Temple of America, then you now fall in the category of a Moorish American, right? That's just the way that this thing works. But you also in the United States of America, fall under the Black slash, african American category.

Speaker 2: 1:09:15

And so now when we're trying to do reparations, the right-wingers will say well, what about the people that came over here from Africa and the Caribbean? There was no harm done to them. And you can't just say Black people, because let's go back up to what Justice Thomas said. Justice Thomas said, in fact, all racial categories are little more than stereotypes, suggesting that immutable characteristics somehow conclusively determine a person's ideology, beliefs and abilities. Of course that is false, pete, what he says here. Members of the same race because race is fictitious do not all share the exact same experiences and viewpoints. Far from it. A black person from rural Alabama surely has different experiences than a black person from Manhattan or a black first generation immigrant from Nigeria, and the same way that a white person from rural Vermont has a different perspective than a white person from Houston, texas. He should have said a European country, because that would have made more sense. He says racial policy suggests that racial identity alone constitute the being of the race or the man.

Speaker 2: 1:10:38

If you really break down what Noble Juwali was teaching and you read what Thomas said in his concurring opinion. Here the light bulbs will start to go off. In Federal Directive 15, when it says that these classifications should not be interpreted as being scientific or anthropological in nature, nor should they be viewed as determinants of eligibility for participation in any federal program. I can't just go and say I'm a Moorish American, I deserve reparations and my family just came from Nigeria in the 1980s. I wouldn't qualify and what this would do is it would muddy the waters.

Speaker 2: 1:11:20

The second thing is you can't use race. This is what this whole court case was aboutial justification of affirmative action is still good law. See, I could go on and just go on and on and on on teaching on on this subject of freedmanism. But I mean, you know I didn't come up here to do that, but it got here into that part of the conversation and I wanted it to be highlighted what do we mean, right? Is this some new school that Lord Abba has jumped in like Hebrew, israelite or something like that? And that's simply not the case. We are the ones that are truly extending the learning and the teaching like nobody else.

Speaker 2: 1:12:18

We went to the OMB fam. Like. Watch this I'm going to show you. We went to the OMB fam. Like watch this, I'm going to show you. We went to the OMB, we went right to the OMB. Can you share my screen one more time? Last screen share. I just like to show and prove, mr Justifact. I just like to show and prove. So I got interviewed here in the Associated Press what do race and ethnicity mean? The US government is asking and you'll notice, you know, if I keep scrolling my picture I had to put my Southern style Wait hold on.

Speaker 1: 1:12:56

Did you put it in for me to share it?

Speaker 2: 1:12:59

Okay, I'm going to put it in the back chat so y'all can share it in the. Uh, for me to share it, um, okay, I'm gonna put it in the in the back chat so y'all can share it in the inbox. This is, this is this is the associated press right here. Can you y'all hear me? Okay, oh, my bad, I'm just. Oh, here we go, my bad, bad. I never forgot. I forgot to hit share, so private chat. Private chat.

Speaker 1: 1:13:29

Oh, you up there though.

Speaker 2: 1:13:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm on here. That's my picture right there. Associated Press article. This was my southern look, because we're trying to get our people to come back South and I know there was an oral saying with Nobu Drew Ali saying that you know, get your family out the South, the destruction is going to start there. But without us going back to the South and having political sway, we are pretty much doomed in this country. Millions of immigrants are being led into this country by the year and if we don't mitigate that then it's a wrap for us.

Speaker 2: 1:14:06

But you see my name right here where it says in the Associated Press this is the guy I did the interview with, mike Schneider is wary of people conflating African-American. I mean, excuse me, naheem Way is wary of people conflating African-American and Black. That's not what I said. He kind of misconstrued that. But you know I'm all in the article, man, I'm all throughout the article and he says several black Americans like Wade, whose ancestors were enslaved, said in public comments to the Office of Management and Budget that they would like to be identified in a category such as American freedmen and those other groups. As you can see, is foundation black, american and American descendants of slavery. So you know it's pretty clear, right, that wasn't the only article, that wasn't the only article at all. The hill also covered the story. I mean, you're gonna see my picture all throughout, man, all throughout. You see me right there. Voacom, the griot, um, just about all of them did. Let me see if I can pull this one up real quick. This is from the Chicago. I'm not Chicago Defender, the Chicago Crusader. Hold on, hold on. I just want to give some of my receipts real quick just to show people that that I'm working, that I'm working. Let me know, can you see that? Ok, yeah, there you go. Oh, that's part. Part one of two.

Speaker 2: 1:15:52

American Freedmen campaign takes root in black Chicago. I had had an extensive interview. This is some of the people from Chicago had an extensive interview. This is some of the people from Chicago. This is Dr Darity, his wife A Kirsten Mullen. They wrote the book From here to Equality. They're economists in the movement. They didn't put my picture in, but right down here, let me blow that up some, because we're the ones responsible for this Friedman thing. Now.

Speaker 2: 1:16:20

Hainway is president and co-founder of United Sons and Daughters of Friedman, based in Athens, georgia, a lead organizer in the modern reparations movement. He has devoted his life to fighting for racial justice. His national organization works to ensure that the quote broken promises of reconstruction are secure for today's descendants of American freedmen. The movement is growing, but Way says there is a need for public education around the moniker's history, and that's what I came on here to do today. Right, give y'all a little bit of that education. This is the Chicago Crusader, one of the oldest quote unquote black newspapers in the city of Chicago, and they use the logo of our organization as as the thumbnail picture.

Speaker 2: 1:17:07

So you know, we're working, we're working and we're going to continue to work. We have successes happening all over the country. We have several pieces of legislation, have several pieces of legislation. We've sat with legislators, state reps, states, department of Justices, because they want to know how are they going to move the programs that they're trying to move, being that DEI has been shut down, I mean, so yeah, we've been on meetings with mayors, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, man, so that's where we're at with it right now and that's what we're doing. So you know, I don't care what the buffoons is saying. I acknowledge them so that they can keep going because what they do just fuels me to go harder. So I encourage them to keep up the hate Right.

Speaker 1: 1:18:01

Well, brother, we're going to wrap this up. Man, thank you for coming out this evening. You made knowledge born for sure. You went from start to finish and this is exactly what we needed for today's podcast. We want to bring you back on again to talk about the free men movement, also politics. I want to talk about the free men movement, also politics. I want to talk about the African diaspora issue right now and how it plays a role in issues with reparations and things that's right. I would like to talk about that. Bring you on for that. Peace to everybody in the chat. Peace to everybody in the chat. Peace to everybody who checked out, checked us out this evening. We really appreciate everybody. See you, when are we back on Mike? Back on Sunday, sunday 2?. Oh, your mic is all messed up. Mike is messed up, yo, but we're back here, I think Sunday or Tuesday, sunday, tuesday.

Speaker 4: 1:19:03

Yeah, comment, we're back here, I think Sunday or Tuesday, sunday, tuesday.

Speaker 1: 1:19:05

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