Rick Ross vs. Hells Angels, Drake's Feuds, and the Evolution of BET and Hip-Hop Culture

What happens when a hip-hop heavyweight like Rick Ross faces off against the notorious Hells Angels in Vancouver? The explosive encounter, marred by racial slurs and security failures, is our kickoff topic. We don't just recount the incident; we dissect the critical missteps and broader cultural tensions at play, including the importance of strategic planning for high-profile individuals navigating complex environments. We also touch on the reverence Drake commands in his hometown and the perils of underestimating local sentiments.

Switching gears, we untangle the intricate feud between Drake and Rick Ross, hinting that the root cause might be more personal than professional. Could it be women at the center of this drama? We also ponder why Kendrick Lamar, a significant force in hip-hop, often slips under Rick Ross's radar despite LA’s tough reputation. As we discuss potential career repercussions for Drake, such as a no-fly zone in the US, we challenge the authenticity of many rappers' so-called toughness, spotlighting 50 Cent and Lupe Fiasco as rare exceptions.

Our final segments navigate the evolving landscape of hip-hop culture and its impact on BET programming. We reflect on the dominance of female acts at the BET Awards and the network's shift from its educational roots. The decline of Dipset and the struggles of its members like Juelz Santana and Jim Jones highlight the need for maturity and evolution in the industry. We close with a candid share from one of our hosts, who stopped watching BET back in 2002, yearning for the days when the network uplifted the Black community. Tune in for an unfiltered exploration of these pressing issues shaping hip-hop today.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

What's going on, everybody? It's Ron Brown, lmt, the People's Fitness Professional alongside my co-host.

Speaker 2: 0:05

Mikey Fever, let's go.

Speaker 1: 0:07

And Clip is in the building. What's going on, Clip?

Speaker 3: 0:11

Not much, brother, not much, not much.

Speaker 2: 0:13

That's all I got to say what happened over the weekend bro.

Speaker 3: 0:20

I got a lot of this that nobody's speaking on, but you know.

Speaker 2: 0:25

What happened over the weekend? Now make it. But people, with all that money, you got to move very, you got to be very cautious. Out here and be strategic. I agree. Too lackadaisical, not disciplined. Shout out to 50 for the way 50 moves. There's no way you're getting close to that man, you got shot nine times.

Speaker 3: 0:45

I'll be moving like that too.

Speaker 2: 0:47

You would have to go to the bodyguards. Then you got to go to the homies. Before you get to them, that's a fact.

Speaker 1: 0:55

What I hear is that I watched it a little bit. He went to Canada, I think it was Vancouver. He went to Vancouver, he started playing they're not like us, or not like us and someone in the crowd took offense to it A. Hells Angel. Huh, a Hells Angel. A Hells Angel. Now, I didn't even know it was a Hells Angel yeah. Huh, a.

Speaker 3: 1:22

Hell's Angel.

Speaker 1: 1:23

Hell's Angel. Now, I didn't even know. Hell's Angel, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:27

What If you know the history of the Hell's Angels?

Speaker 2: 1:30

Yeah, if you know the history of them, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:34

I just want to say we're going to get into it, but I just want to say I have an issue with the whole fight From a black perspective.

Speaker 2: 1:45

Yeah, got you, got, you, got you got you.

Speaker 1: 1:48

There's so many ways we can go with this.

Speaker 3: 1:51

I'm not even laughing that he got punched in his face. To me, that really wasn't the thing for me. I'm going to speak on it. I'm going to say it now. It's more so. I don't like a group of white men jumping on a black man, yelling out nigga.

Speaker 2: 2:06

Oh, I didn't hear that part I didn't hear that part, nigga.

Speaker 4: 2:10

What's going on? What's up, fred? I'm at the movies with my kids, they watching Inside Out.

Speaker 2: 2:17

That's beautiful, that's peace.

Speaker 4: 2:19

I'm feeling the merch y'all. Oh, thanks, man, Thanks.

Speaker 2: 2:23

I'm feeling the merch y'all.

Speaker 4: 2:24

Oh, thanks man, thanks Thanks man, can y'all hear me clearly?

Speaker 2: 2:27

Yeah, we can we can hear you.

Speaker 1: 2:33

All right, All right, so check this out. So they were screaming nigga they were beating on a black man.

Speaker 3: 2:42

They were screaming out nigga, what's up, nigga, what's up, nigga.

Speaker 4: 2:46

Wait, who was saying that?

Speaker 3: 2:49

The white boys that beat up Rick Ross.

Speaker 4: 2:52

Listen, man. That just goes to show that he got a bunch of big for nothings around him.

Speaker 2: 3:00

Exactly.

Speaker 4: 3:01

You know the crazy part about that video the dj got busier than the security and this and the dj what the skinniest dude you know, ready to get it in and the d. I mean we all take a loss here and there, but exactly if that security was like on some y'all we love drake, don't come over here with that bullshit, because you know what time it is.

Speaker 3: 3:27

Okay, drake, come back to Miami with that.

Speaker 4: 3:31

Yeah, now if I was Rick Ross, I would have some Zopown niggas with me, somebody that lives from the street, not just at the car show.

Speaker 3: 3:40

I mean, but when you think about it, you're coming to Canada. How many of these criminals can come into Canada without they just can't come in, but they're there. Yeah, but you know ain't too many. They was in Vancouver. I don't know too many Zoes in Vancouver. Toronto, maybe because they got a Caribbean thing up there. But Vancouver's a little different, Toronto maybe because they got a Caribbean thing up there.

Speaker 4: 4:09

Vancouver's a little different how y'all feel about that.

Speaker 2: 4:11

Honestly, I think that people should be more disciplined. I believe he underestimated the whole situation with Drake. He's probably thinking I can do whatever I want. He took it lightly. That's what it was. He went over what he expected. He underestimated people, and that's something you can't do.

Speaker 3: 4:26

I think he got under everybody's skin.

Speaker 1: 4:29

I think we're also getting high, you smoking weed. You know what I mean. You're having a good time, you're off. You're not really on point. You know what I mean. You're not moving, militant, you're not really calculated, really thinking about what's going on. You know what I'm saying Regardless, really calculated, really thinking about what's going on. You know I'm saying like, if it no, regardless of how you feel about drake and how he's soft and he's a white boy, because that's what he said, um, it doesn't matter because you're still in his hometown. You know I'm saying, and it's like people that take it like if you disrespect drake, you're disrespecting them because it's their hometown, just just like I don't really me, I don't know cameron, I don't know Cam'ron, I don't know Cam'ron, like that at all. When people start popping shots at Cam'ron, low-key, I start feeling a little way, because I'm from Harlem, I could dig it. People are sentimental over the area that they live in. You know what I mean.

Speaker 4: 5:26

I feel like he really took it lightly. I feel like I feel like this I feel like Drake and Rick Ross really have a beef Out of that whole Drake and Kendrick. Rick Ross focused a lot on. I mean Drake focused a lot on, I mean Rick focused a lot on Rick Ross. To me he didn't really focus on the boogeyman which was Kendrick. Now you're not going to LA with that nonsense over there, because we all know LA is really about that. They've been about that for quite a while. We already know what happened during the watch riots, so you're not coming over there with none of that. I don't care how famous you are, you can walk down downtown LA, but you're not walking through Compton, you know, doing none of that dumb shit. I really think that Drake and Rick Ross really have a beef and for some reason it's over women. I swear to God it's a beef. And for some reason it's over women. I swear to God, it's over women.

Speaker 2: 6:28

I'd rather say the same thing too, from my perspective, I think it's over women. The Eagles are involved Always over women the undertones of it. I believe it's becoming to like a no-fly zone situation. It's going to turn to that, like you can't do shows out here. You can't come with my town and get your money here's the thing for Drake.

Speaker 3: 6:47

That's going to be a problem, because American hip hop don't have to go to Canada.

Speaker 4: 6:52

Exactly, we can stick. We can stick right here to our coast and be all right. We didn't go by crap in Canada until Drake came out.

Speaker 3: 7:01

Yeah, we don't. Honestly. I've been to Canada, been to Vancouver, been to Montreal, I've been to all the places. I ain't saying people don't get busy, but I felt like I was in the safest place in the world. But that's just me. You know what I mean. But I mean Drake is going to have a problem coming back to the States.

Speaker 4: 7:29

I think you know to be honest, I think Drake has light-skinned privilege to be honest with you. I think so too, I agree I think that he's loved, like he really has a core fan base where he's going to be able to travel, and I also feel like we're in an era where everything takes two weeks for it to blow over. Two weeks Talk about something else and we're going to forget that Rick Ross got punched in the face by some big white dude from a trailer park, that was just.

Speaker 4: 8:04

I ain't going to hold you. That shit came real. He sized him up real quick. That shit, I know it hurt.

Speaker 3: 8:12

He punched him in the back all the way up though.

Speaker 4: 8:17

Say that again.

Speaker 3: 8:18

He punched him in the back all the way up.

Speaker 1: 8:22

Yeah, because he knew he was gonna get jumped. That white boy knew what was gonna to get jumped.

Speaker 3: 8:25

He knew that white boy knew what was going to happen if he got any closer.

Speaker 1: 8:30

Yeah, now for them saying what's up, nigga? That's crazy.

Speaker 3: 8:41

I thought it was a skinny black shirt saying it.

Speaker 2: 8:43

White boys were saying it too. Oh, wow, Wow.

Speaker 4: 8:47

It looked like the white boy was controlling the whole thing. Yeah, white boy was controlling the whole thing and you would have thought. I thought the guy that was holding it was a short dude that was in between the white boy and Rick Ross. I thought he was more or less neutral security. For some reason he looked like.

Speaker 3: 9:07

He looked real neutral.

Speaker 4: 9:08

He couldn't do nothing. And then Rick Ross alleged security. They beat the hell out of him. It was bad. That was just a bad one. I don't care if he posted a video on the private jet ordering wing stop. It was just bad.

Speaker 2: 9:24

He was very careless, not strategic at all. You went into unfamiliar terrain to go taunt him. That's not a smart thing to do.

Speaker 3: 9:33

You went to Vancouver, which is like driving from Toronto. That's kind of a distance. They ain't really right next to each other. Yeah, canada, I still wouldn't do it though he's a representation of Canada, but dog I ain't think about if I'm not in Toronto. I can say he was in Toronto with it. He probably might have needed a little bit more security.

Speaker 2: 9:54

But I wouldn't take it lightly if I'm in any proximity. I don't care if it's like an hour or two away. I still have to move the whole other side of Canada, yo.

Speaker 1: 10:04

But to unpack this a little, bit right like, care, if it's like an hour or two away, I still have to move the whole other side of Canada, yo. But to unpack this a little bit right Like with this to me, this tells me that this is not over. This Kendrick and Drake thing is really not over.

Speaker 3: 10:14

Wait till the video.

Speaker 1: 10:15

The video dropped the video didn't drop yet.

Speaker 4: 10:19

No, I'm waiting on that too, yo Cliff, I'm waiting on that. That's going to make a billion views in a week.

Speaker 3: 10:26

That's going to be hard, because he went all over it Brooklyn, going crazy to it in the rain this weekend.

Speaker 1: 10:32

Wow.

Speaker 4: 10:34

Now let me ask you this though All these rappers I be talking about they from the hood, they from this, they from that how many do you think can really hold their own in a fist fight?

Speaker 3: 10:47

Not a lot.

Speaker 4: 10:47

That's what we saw.

Speaker 3: 10:49

Not a lot.

Speaker 4: 10:50

I think, only 50 Cent is really the one who can really hold itself down.

Speaker 1: 10:56

I think Sal's speaking, I think 50.

Speaker 2: 10:59

Lupe Fiasco. Lupe, another one.

Speaker 3: 11:02

Act like he a hood dude. I really won't put him on that Lupe.

Speaker 2: 11:04

Another one I don't want to act like he a hood dude.

Speaker 3: 11:05

No, he don't, so I really don't want to put him on that. But like the dudes, that Lupe Game would get busy if he needs to. You think so, yeah game would get busy.

Speaker 1: 11:15

I saw that 40 Glock joint though.

Speaker 4: 11:18

You know, let me tell you, yo, you're wrong.

Speaker 3: 11:20

He didn't get busy out there. He a fighter.

Speaker 4: 11:22

He ain't get busy out there he a fighter, ron, I'm going to be honest with you I don't think nobody.

Speaker 3: 11:32

and diplomats can fight. Zeke can fight. I know Zeke personally, zeke can fight.

Speaker 4: 11:35

I know Zeke too. Zeke is like he's cool with my brother, but outside of him I don't think they can really like put on a show. I think Zeke really gets busy because he had to, but the other three I don't think so. I don't think.

Speaker 3: 11:53

I ain't never heard about Cam fighting like that. You know what I mean, cam. I know Jim, jim, just he's reckless, but you know, I've never seen him squabble. I've never heard about him squabbling.

Speaker 1: 12:08

Jim being a Jim, though. So yeah, jim, getting put to sleep. I don't mean that. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. If you're in a gym conditioning, I know this for a fact. Conditioning is everything, bro, hold on, hold on, hold on. Conditioning is everything, bro, hold on, hold on, hold on. If you're in the gym every week, day in, day out, two, three, four, five years, and you know you might get into something on a consistent basis because you talk, chances are you could do something.

Speaker 3: 12:47

You have someone in a fight, but that don't mean you got a chin.

Speaker 4: 12:50

Can I ask you this, though, ron? Because he's in the gym working out and I see you be in the gym working out and boxing. I don't see gym boxing, I just see him doing pushups. That could mean nothing. I've seen dudes big brolic like that get their ass knocked out. Him doing push-ups. That don't mean nothing. I've seen dudes big brolic like that get their ass knocked out and they be in the gym every day.

Speaker 1: 13:14

That's true. But look, my thing is, if you know that you are who, you are like a Jim Jones with all the shit that he pops right you know the chances of altercation is real high. You're calling yourself capo. I'm pretty sure that you know he's prepared to get physical, just like that. I mean, even though you know this is kind of a bad example. He had those old guys. He flipped those old guys like pancakes, like it was nothing.

Speaker 1: 13:47

Yeah, he did, yeah, but yo, but you know what, though? All right, they were old, but check this out, the majority, majority of the population, they barely work out or don't work out at all I. So it's kind of easy to throw people around you know, or knock people out if you know what you're doing or if you're in better shape than other people.

Speaker 3: 14:13

These mean a lot, but you know we ain't never heard stories about Jim airing nobody out.

Speaker 4: 14:19

Never. We saw that video when he got aired out at the Rucker.

Speaker 3: 14:23

And.

Speaker 4: 14:23

I'm not saying he can't fight, because everybody take a loss, yeah. But I'm just saying like I don't think a lot of these rappers really got hand skills. I think a lot of these rappers really go for the one-hitter-quitter and they go for the intimidation. Look, I work out, I do this, I'm brolic, I'm cool. Now I was on, I think I heard a story about Fabulous. Fabulous was out in LA and Suge sent some dudes to him. This is verbatim. One of his associates that was on another blog and said that Fab can hold his own. I'm not saying he's nice with his hand, but they say he can hold his own and he's been in situations more than once since coming into the rap game and really held his own. He was scuffling but he basically won all his battles.

Speaker 3: 15:20

I think Fab can fight, because I think his demeanor seems like a dude that can fight. He ain't walking around here acting tough Right. He like getting fly, he like messing with his chicks, he be chilling. Those are the ones you got to worry about, because those be the ones that really can get busy, the ones that ain't really trying to be on the super gangster tough top. That's the ones you got to worry about.

Speaker 1: 15:43

True, indeed. Now another thing about Fab. How tall is Fab? Because he look like a tall, lanky dude, Six feet.

Speaker 4: 15:49

Yeah, he about 6'6", 162 probably. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 15:53

So he has that reach and then the leverage. When grappling leverage really plays a part, Like when you're punching and when you're tussling and all that apart, when you're punching and when you're tussling, and all that reach and leverage your levers, your long levers, that really plays a role. I can imagine a lot of those dudes that be in the industry and all of that. A lot of these guys be short. You know what I mean Short, A lot of them are super short.

Speaker 2: 16:23

It's about agility, your physique, yeah. And you know majority of dudes are out of shape, you know. Not working out smoking, the lifestyle drinking, they careless. Yeah, like me. Look at Meek Mills. When I saw him hitting that bag I was like, oh, that's an easy two-piece and of biscuit right there.

Speaker 3: 16:47

Stop doing that too. Stop letting that person work you legit. Stop doing that. Let people underestimate you. Get your boxing skills up and with Spike, you're a good person.

Speaker 2: 16:55

That's a fact. Yeah, yeah, that's a fact.

Speaker 1: 16:58

Yeah. So now back to Rick Ross. I wonder why you mentioned that travel, uh, about you know people having skills? Do I think dudes got skills like that? Maybe you mentioned that because, um, did you see rick ross hitting, uh, hitting mitts before?

Speaker 4: 17:12

and I saw the mitts, I hear I saw that. I saw that too. I definitely saw that. But again, I like, I, like you said, clip a lot of these dudes, man. They got that size and we clearly saw that. His security got the size and they beat the shit out of him. Sorry to say, it was no wins, even if he got jumped. One of them hits, the first couple hits, the first two hits, knocked him down quick. He fell to his nose. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 17:47

Repeat that again, Clint.

Speaker 3: 17:48

What'd you say, Clint? He felt like dominoes.

Speaker 1: 17:53

Another thing about combat man. We all say like you know what we gonna do and all of that, but when you in it, bro, it don't happen the way you think it's gonna happen when you in it, you just gotta.

Speaker 3: 18:07

You gotta adjust to what's going, what's happening around you. Of course, like that's, you never know what's gonna happen in the fight. But you a bodyguard, so your job is to protect. He did his job technically because ross ain't get hit after that first joint. So the question is that, no, no?

Speaker 1: 18:24

but what? No, but what I was saying was what I'm saying is you got to be battle-tested, you got to be really fighting, you got to really be brawling. Just like Trevor said, you got to, you can lift weights all day, but you got to box. You know what I mean. You got to do something.

Speaker 3: 18:41

You got to hit the other gym. But a bodyguard's job is not really to fight. A bodyguard's job is really to prevent people from attacking their client.

Speaker 2: 18:50

And get you out of there as fast as possible.

Speaker 3: 18:53

Now your riders. You know your entourage, they handle it for you. You're the ones that are supposed to get it shaking.

Speaker 4: 19:00

Yeah Well, he don't go with an entourage, though rick ross literally looked like he traveled with his dj, his man, a manager and a role manager. He don't travel with dudes that really look like they could get it in and if you go with that, that's the problem.

Speaker 3: 19:16

You're gonna need a, you're gonna need an entourage, or you're gonna need a security that's trained in fighting well, he's gonna have to get a new captain.

Speaker 4: 19:24

He's going to revamp his whole team after that he has to learn.

Speaker 2: 19:29

I think Vancouver thinks it's going to be sweet. What we have to take in question is was his bodyguards also intoxicated? Because so many people have their bodyguards to let them drink on the job, relax a bit, party a bit? You got to question those things too.

Speaker 3: 19:43

Your bodyguards are going to be.

Speaker 2: 19:50

That's why I said they were too lackadaisical, because that person speaking to Ross right there. That shouldn't even have even happened. The bodyguard should have been in front. Ross was dumb for even entertaining this guy. Exactly, bodyguard should have got him up out of there.

Speaker 3: 20:00

Yo dog, keep it moving. I'm not even talking to you the moment you say Because he addressed him.

Speaker 4: 20:08

He was like every day I'm hustling does it make Rick Ross look, when it comes to music, like, let's say, he put an album?

Speaker 2: 20:17

out next. It happens, it happens, it happens to the best, it happens as long as the music is dope, he'll be fine he'll be fine. It happened to Pac. When Pac got robbed, right, everybody, all that thug like he got ran up on him in Quad Studio. It happened to the best of us man.

Speaker 4: 20:39

True indeed.

Speaker 2: 20:40

It could happen.

Speaker 3: 20:42

We didn't see it on camera back then. It was a little different yeah it was a little different we didn't see it. People punched him in the face and then, you know what, I Walsh by G-Unit. His career went downhill. We didn't really see or hear from him like that musically after he got, you know.

Speaker 2: 20:59

But the fans got to understand. These people are not superheroes, they're human beings man, I talk to them all the time.

Speaker 3: 21:03

They're humans, they do regular stuff, but you know.

Speaker 2: 21:06

The element of violence is everywhere. It could happen.

Speaker 1: 21:09

Now my question is I mean, what does this really mean for? Because this is now not going to stop After this happened with Rick Ross. Now Rick Ross seems like a person that he's going to keep taunting Drake after this.

Speaker 3: 21:22

Yes, he is. Drake can't go to Miami. You're going to have to come to Miami. You got a big, you got a. Miami is a huge marketplace. You have to come to Miami, you need to fight.

Speaker 4: 21:31

They both just need to fight.

Speaker 3: 21:34

I swear.

Speaker 4: 21:35

Yeah, I'm just saying at this point, like if y'all going to continue to do the bickering back and forth, y'all niggas is millionaires.

Speaker 2: 21:42

Celebrity boxing.

Speaker 4: 21:43

Yeah, something like you know, because go back and forth over some chick that Drake slept with, that you slept with a chick that's probably not even worried about y'all no more, because she done got all the money she could get out of y'all.

Speaker 2: 21:56

Exactly.

Speaker 4: 21:58

I'm not entertained by this anymore at this point, like, come on now, drake, don't look like he a fighter. Ross definitely ain't a fighter. Let's move on, y'all, because the real people that you scared of, the real person is Kendrick that you didn't come to check. Alright, you didn't take him serious, and now, look, we about to get a video with the whole California.

Speaker 3: 22:25

Even if he took Kendrick serious, he was going to lose anyway.

Speaker 2: 22:27

But that's just how it go.

Speaker 4: 22:29

In fact, he would have lost when you get California united when you get Bloods and Crips to unite and really be like hold up. We've been beefing over the wrong shit. Come on now. That man is literally the king of LA right now.

Speaker 2: 22:46

No fly zone. Nothing over him no fly zone.

Speaker 1: 22:52

Now, this video didn't come out yet, so he's trying to. It seemed like kendrick really wants to bury drink, right?

Speaker 1: 23:00

he's not gonna stop yeah, because you know what? Because, look, we all thought, well, I don't know if we all thought, but I thought that drake was gonna come out with another hit in the summer and then, kind of like, everything that happened, it was it's over now, but it seems like drake has made attempts to come out with hits or on features and they're not really ringing like that. No. And then now. So it seems like kendrick is strategically waiting for like august to then drop the video, to kind of like keep the summer and then ride the fourth quarter and ride that all the way from the third to fourth quarter into the new year.

Speaker 3: 23:39

He's waiting for Drake to say something else.

Speaker 4: 23:44

I don't know. I don't think Drake is ever going to say anything else to Kendrick. He's been throwing subliminals, though he's throwing subliminals yeah, but his feature game that he's been going on feature run has been very weak at this point.

Speaker 1: 23:58

Yes, weak.

Speaker 4: 24:02

He really know that this one he lost right. I feel like Not Like Us is an anthem forever. You can play that at graduation, you can play that at weddings. You can play that at weddings, you can play that at church. That Not Like Us line is just ridiculous, because everybody can say they're not like us and we know where it stems from. But you can say that everywhere and it's relatable to every culture, every ethnicity and it's just going to be around forever and that's a dagger.

Speaker 2: 24:40

You know what I'm going to put it that way.

Speaker 4: 24:42

It takes two.

Speaker 2: 24:44

The compromised people, like the academics. All they feel a certain way about that. Like nah, drake didn't lose Kendrick is less this and that he has a DV. These dudes are so compromised. It was on payroll, yo, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 25:04

You could tell it was on payroll. It's like, bro, why are you going so hard defending this man? What did he do for you that you're going so hard to defend this man?

Speaker 4: 25:16

He paid your rent.

Speaker 2: 25:18

Yeah, that's what it was.

Speaker 1: 25:19

A couple dollars Now I want to go into. Did you brothers hear about Julio Fulio? Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 25:27

Rest in peace, young brother.

Speaker 3: 25:28

Karma came back to that young man because he was out here wilding.

Speaker 4: 25:33

Unfortunate because these young niggas try hard to die. They are on a path to die, literally. I don't understand it, I just don't.

Speaker 2: 25:44

Treson like an uncle. He said they in a rush to die.

Speaker 4: 25:48

They on the race to die who's next?

Speaker 3: 25:51

When you're shooting videos at someone's gravesite, taunting that they're dead, what do you think is going to happen eventually? That karma On their birthday. But, you know what?

Speaker 1: 26:05

Young and Ace came out with two songs right after his death Do it. And what was the other one? Game Over? Ayo man, I don't really listen to rap like that anymore. I only listen to rap now because I got to do it for the show. I'm not going to lie, man, those two songs are hard. Man, I can't listen to those type of records.

Speaker 2: 26:35

Really, ron, you gave it a listen.

Speaker 3: 26:38

You got to listen to what's out. I hear what's out. There's certain things I'm not going to listen to. I'm not listening to Taunting the Dead, yo, I don't come up like that. I wasn't raised like that. Once a person is dead, you don't disrespect the dead, right.

Speaker 4: 26:57

They can't represent themselves. At that point You're talking about a person who ain't defending themselves, who's not here. Yeah that was wild.

Speaker 1: 27:03

Hold on. You gotta hear this. If you can hear this song, right, it's a song called Game Over.

Speaker 4: 27:08

In the video, Young Niggas has a bottle of.

Speaker 1: 27:11

Don Julio. Right so Jul of Don Julio, right so Julio, julio, julio, right so Don Julio. He takes a drink of the Don Julio. One of his shooters pours him a drink, he takes the sip, then he gives the Don Julio back to the. Well, the shooter takes the Don Julio, covers the bottle and puts the Don Julio on top of his head Subliminal Wow. And then after that, right, he goes into the song and says three shot, one killed. He's like telling on himself in the verse I get that, that.

Speaker 3: 27:56

But I mean I can't, I can't respect it, like I can't respect bragging on the death of another black human being in that perspective, when you know it's real that's the reality out there. These young kids are facing man unfortunately, I just like at this age for me I got something big and I like that whole mentality of you. Know we're stepping on your grave, we're going past this. Ain't this records no more. This is like devilish mentality. I can't get with it.

Speaker 2: 28:38

I agree with you 100%. I agree with you because, as parents, as us being men of color, and seeing how these young children is dying at rapid rates, it's hurtful In their eyes. They think it's something cool. Like I'm getting props for this, I got to cut you off out short right now.

Speaker 1: 28:57

You know why? Because we sounded like old heads, right. So now, look, if we look at things, if we look at things from a broader perspective, a broader perspective now, okay, yeah, no, I don't condone any of this right, however, julio, this right, however. Julio Fulio got famous from making diss records about the dead.

Speaker 3: 29:20

And I wasn't checking for him when he was doing that.

Speaker 4: 29:23

To be honest with you, I never like his name.

Speaker 3: 29:30

I can't check for that. When I hear about somebody, how are you getting famous? Oh, he's not just dissing rappers, saying he's better than rappers or something, or having jokes on rappers. You making diss records about people that you got real street beef with and you're going to their grave sites and you're stepping like you're going beyond a diss record. You're taking it to a level of disrespect that there's no coming back from.

Speaker 1: 29:54

Right, but that's the new rap battle style for the younger kids though that's for them.

Speaker 3: 30:00

That's for them.

Speaker 4: 30:02

Ron, you said we sound like old heads, but in our era we only really had two. Real beef deafs when that was big and pop.

Speaker 4: 30:14

These dudes are dying and killing each other at a crazy rate and not even selling records it's not even to the point where you can enjoy your success at this point, because that's a trend for them to talk about. Like you talk about getting money, getting women, but your main concern is going to shoot a video as soon as somebody die and make a song about it. I can't really fuck with that Like I really can't. It's really not entertaining.

Speaker 1: 30:46

Now hold on, hold on.

Speaker 4: 30:47

Just to pull it up. We look at it like when our rappers die. Okay, look, I think you like. Um, what's your man? Sean price? He passed away from what drugs from drugs. You say yeah now, look at that now, when, when shit like that happens to the prominent artists, then you could feel some some sort of way, but when these dudes are literally at the racing to die, it's no, it it's really nothing we can really talk about. Every time I look around, it's like who's next?

Speaker 3: 31:23

That's not hip-hop. What Comey is doing, it's not hip-hop. People got to remember too. You are doing beat Just because you make a song. That's not hip-hop, you're just. You are just doing some other shit Because hip-hop is not about that. The culture of hip-hop is not about that. The culture of hip-hop was birthed from the gangs in the streets trying to come to an agreement and peace, right. What y'all doing ain't hip-hop. What y'all doing is some gang shit.

Speaker 1: 31:58

Look just to put what I'm saying in context, Trevor, just to put what I'm saying. What I'm saying is like this right, we're sounding like old heads in a sense of where it's like we like what we like, based on our era, time and era. You know what I time and era. We're kind of like in that zone. Hold on. What I'm saying is this when it comes to the youth, I like to meet them at their level. Why are they doing what they do? You get what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 32:31

My thing is, if this is the new form of battle rap to these kids from the south, from Jacksonville, this is not New York, this is the south we don't know. We don't know how these kids in Jacksonville in their 20s, early 20s, operate. So I'm trying to see what, I'm trying to make sense of it in a way, Right. So what I'm trying to figure out is OK, Julio, Julio has been making disc records for years on a dead and it seems to me like this drill music just keeps beef going back and forth and it spills on and it keeps going and keeps going. Now, my thing is like my whole point is to try to figure it out, to say what other route can they take? What? How can this, how can we make this situation or this climate a little bit better from from a, from a, a older person's perspective? Yeah, Okay.

Speaker 3: 33:29

I want to address that for one. Just cause you pop shit on a record does not make it a beef record, right For one. We don't know him for nothing else but beef. What was his talent?

Speaker 2: 33:42

I was about to say that too. Get back to the essence of the craft.

Speaker 3: 33:46

What exactly was his talent? Because nobody ever talked about his actual skill ability song making anything. You're just a guy who got on camera shot him shooting music videos, disrespecting people with that, yeah, right. So I can't call that new age beef records. I call that. You just doing some and you did it for attention. Or you did it for attention on youtube and social media Clout chasing. That's a clout. That's not really some rap hip hop thing. This is you just looking for attention and taunting your enemies on camera.

Speaker 3: 34:30

Right Now there's a lot of youth that's making music and, yeah, they talk about street things, but they're not doing that. Right, like you got a few that do it, but not a big majority of them do that. They'll have their little beef records. They'll talk about shooting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Half of them be lying. So we know that the real ones that's doing it, they get their head. All the real ones that's doing it. They getting their head. All the real ones that was out here trying to really live that street life while trying to make music. They're dead. They're dead. Most of them are dead.

Speaker 2: 35:04

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 35:09

I don't really look at that as a hip-hop thing. I look at that as a gang thing. It's not really an old head thing because I listen to a hip-hop thing. I look at that as a gang thing and it's not really an old-head thing because I listen to a lot of young rappers. It's just a certain level where we have to draw the line and say, okay, look, if you're going to take it this far, we can't support you.

Speaker 4: 35:28

They won't be, able to support you after a while, especially with the young niggas. You can't support that because you they're going to fuck up their own money because if every time you turn around somebody's dying and your video is in somebody's grave site, you're not doing those shows, your money gonna dry up and it's going to be over for you. That's how. That's why I'm like this doesn't make sense. Every time you somebody dies, it's an opportunity to get some attention. So I'm going to go to the grave site, I'm going to go to the hood and I'm going to shoot the video and talk about how I'm smoking an eye.

Speaker 2: 36:03

They don't really mean it. Again, it's clout chasing. It's the label. Some of them don't have talent. It's the lack of talent. It it's like the lack of talent, it's the attention, and they feel good about it, like you know what it means to themselves.

Speaker 3: 36:15

Because nowadays they call every young kid that make a song a rapper the dots. Oh the rapper. Rapper, who are y'all? Because I don't. What record label was you signed to? You know what I'm saying? Like what product did you really put out there? What show were you really doing?

Speaker 4: 36:32

A lot of them are signed to Leo Cohen 300. Leo.

Speaker 2: 36:35

Cohen.

Speaker 4: 36:37

Kevin Loud.

Speaker 3: 36:39

And Leo Cohen. We all know he's a vulture.

Speaker 1: 36:42

And then here's my thing, yo, while we're on that right Now, do you think YouTube and Spotify, apple Music and all of these different platforms, you think they should censor these kids in some way? They're not going to. They're not going to.

Speaker 4: 36:57

Because who's controlling the music right now are the kids. We, like you said, Ron, we the old heads. They're not really appealing to us.

Speaker 2: 37:04

They're the biggest consumers.

Speaker 4: 37:06

Right, we're not the biggest consumers. We're more into talking about it making peace. We're podcasting now. That's our lane. You know what I'm saying? Now, real quick, just to get back to fighting. A lot of these kids are dying because they can't fight. If you put them in the backyard, or how it used to be, you're going to fight him in the courtyard. You're going to put these gloves on, you're going to square it up. However, you're going to do it in squashes. All these kids can't do that, y'all.

Speaker 3: 37:37

And now we got an error where everybody got one of these. So the problem is is because everybody got a cell phone, you're recording everybody's L's.

Speaker 1: 37:46

Oh yo yo, Cliff, I ain't going to lie. You did that kind of quick. I thought that was a clip.

Speaker 3: 37:51

I said I'm like yo. No, everybody. Everybody's running around with cell phones, cameras, so if you get into a fist fight and you lose and it's posted on the internet everywhere you go, ain't you that kid that just got beat up?

Speaker 2: 38:12

It's perpetrated everywhere.

Speaker 3: 38:13

Everywhere we came up, fist fight on your block. Only people on your block knew Right, you know what I mean. You can walk somewhere and be fine after that. In today's era, the whole world's seeing you get beat up.

Speaker 1: 38:27

Like think about this. Let's keep it real, though. If you get slapped online right or beat up online, what's next? Somebody got to die because that's the mentality.

Speaker 2: 38:38

That's crazy, but it was like that. It was even like that back then. Let's be honest Back then you beat a dude, you beat a dude up or he beat you up. The gun gotta come out somehow. Even if he won the fight, I'm gonna get the burnin son.

Speaker 3: 38:51

Yeah, but bring somebody some. Some dudes would do that, but other dudes, some dudes wouldn't. But at the same time, let's, let's really do the math. You get. Your face wasn't getting plastered for millions to see.

Speaker 2: 39:03

People just hear about it.

Speaker 3: 39:06

See you get beat up. Yeah, you guys like like you try to holler at a chick. Ain't you a dude that just got punched in his face Like?

Speaker 2: 39:14

there's a joke. Hold on, pardon me, trent, there's a joke. My brother always tell me If ever you get into altercation history and somebody scream world star, you say yo fight like crazy bro.

Speaker 4: 39:33

You better go. Don't get on that floor, bro. I've been in altercations and fights myself, and not the biggest dude. But I know one thing I'm gonna set the tone just so, even if I do lose they're gonna say yo, that little nigga went out and I'm not fighting at this age.

Speaker 3: 39:47

You got it, fam.

Speaker 4: 39:48

I'll be all of that I'm just saying the last fight I had was when I was in high school and it was like yo, I'm gonna go out with a bang because this nigga bigger than me. I'm gonna show him that I ain't no punk. I gotta do what I gotta do.

Speaker 3: 40:02

Yeah, I gotta respect that. I'm not kidding you, bro, you got it. Yo, I'm a punk, I'm all of that. I'm going to be over here minding my business because if I fight and it get to this point, I'm going to jail. Bro, I'm not trying to go to jail, so it's better for me to just ignore you and keep it moving, because I don't got to prove to you how tough I am, bro, you got it.

Speaker 2: 40:26

It's not worth it.

Speaker 3: 40:27

It's not even worth it.

Speaker 2: 40:28

I start thinking crazy and I don't want to. I don't like getting to that point.

Speaker 3: 40:32

And I'm going to be one of these kids, One of these people you talk about. He ain't have to go that far with it. He could have just beat him up. And now it's farther than beat him up, Cause now if I beat you up and you you can't handle taking a loss, you're going to come and try to kill me. So now I got to come and kill you before you get a chance to do it. But then I got to deal with the people that love you that they're going to try to retaliate for me killing you. So the best thing I'm going to do is just it's not worth it. Got it, bro? I'm over here chilling.

Speaker 1: 41:00

That's why I move like the president man.

Speaker 3: 41:03

That's why I move myself.

Speaker 1: 41:05

I go in a place and then I go out of place. That's it, I'm finished.

Speaker 3: 41:11

Listen, I'll be in and out when I go uptown. I'll be in Harlem real quick, Okay, cool. That's what y'all doing. As soon as it seems like it's about to get crazy, I'm out of here, yo, because I already know what it's getting into.

Speaker 4: 41:22

And Ron has an advantage. Ron is a silent assassin. He studied techniques since he was a kid and still to this day he's taekwondo.

Speaker 3: 41:32

He's boxing, he's kickboxing, he's doing everything. I'm good. I don't want no snort.

Speaker 2: 41:38

That's it. He's blasted all that. Ron can't rhyme with me because I know Ron just get quiet.

Speaker 3: 41:43

I was out here eating chicken livers, I'm not messing with this man. Oh shit, you remember that. Oh shit, you remember that. He's a whole number of beasts. I'm good on that.

Speaker 4: 41:55

Mark, you should apply for our Rick Ross security job.

Speaker 1: 41:59

That's good. I wouldn't do security for that dude man. He talk too crazy man.

Speaker 2: 42:05

Ron might tell him to square up. You know what Ross square up, man, you talk too much.

Speaker 1: 42:09

I'll be like yo Ross, shut up we arguing.

Speaker 3: 42:14

As a security you lay down. If somebody's trying to hire you for security, your first thing is you better lay down the rules, your dog. Don't put me in those stupid situations where we got to get too out of control. When I say let's move, we moving Ain't. No wait, hold on none of that, Because my job is to get us, to get you and out of these places safe and sound. If you can't respect that, then I'm not the person for you. If you look at that video again, your boy was too high.

Speaker 3: 42:45

My life on the line for you.

Speaker 1: 42:47

I want to go into BET Awards. Did y'all watch that?

Speaker 3: 42:51

I seen the opening Did y'all watch that I saw the opening. It was a female award show. This time around it was mostly female acts that were performing. All of them had the same show performance. Let me just wrap up.

Speaker 4: 43:08

What'd you say? I don't watch no more, nigga shit at all.

Speaker 2: 43:15

I'm like the EBT Awards.

Speaker 4: 43:18

My mind can't take that shit.

Speaker 3: 43:20

I can't.

Speaker 4: 43:24

None of that shit is for me.

Speaker 1: 43:29

Vash Bay. How long have I been doing martial arts? I'm going to say since I was like a baby, basically. But martial arts is cool, but I like something else. Man, it's easier. This is the easier thing.

Speaker 2: 43:41

That's it.

Speaker 3: 43:46

Flying projectiles. Baby BET is the way it is because BET is not owned by sophisticated black. It's not owned by black people at all. Right now, at this point, Not at all. So the program and the people who own this Viacom, who owns this BET company? The only thing they're going to do is show us images of ourselves being at our most ignorant state and they're going to hire people. That's going to follow protocol to make them keep us at an ignorant state. Once Bob Johnson sold BET, that's when we saw the downfall of all the ignorant ghetto ratchet stuff coming to play. We used to have BET news. We used to have what was the college show.

Speaker 4: 44:33

College Hill.

Speaker 3: 44:35

College Hill.

Speaker 4: 44:36

We used to have. What was that other dude Hits from the Street.

Speaker 3: 44:41

We used to have the Grambling Games and all of that. The Black College, the Black College.

Speaker 2: 44:46

Donnie Simpson.

Speaker 3: 44:47

Donnie Simpson. We used to have Caribbean Rhythms. We had Teen Steps. Stuff is a sharp thing. We had teen stuff Was talking to the black youth about the issues in our communities and how they felt and how we can do things to make things better for us as a people. We had all that. It was specific to what black people were representing at one point in time. Bob Johnson, he pissed me off with this why are you selling something that is ours?

Speaker 2: 45:21

they all do it cash for everything around me. Baby, that's what it was.

Speaker 3: 45:24

I get the principle, it's the money if he'd have kept BET the way it was, the money would have been even better Because we were supporting our own. We didn't have to worry about what MTV was doing. Remember, we only watched MTV for your MTV raps. At one point in time we really didn't care for MTV, we watched.

Speaker 4: 45:48

We had Fab Five, freddy. Once BET had Rap City, the Basement or not. Even before that they just had BET and they showed their videos. We was happy with that. And then they started going into Rap City, going into real hip hop, and you started seeing the figures and the people we liked and you started seeing different regions. But I don't watch nothing blackface, because all these shows and all these companies that got a black person, that's the face of it. It's just blackface. It's not black entertainment, it's not black home, it's strictly blackface and I'm not with none of that shit. To be honest with you.

Speaker 3: 46:25

We didn't grow up like that. We didn't come up like that. We came up with yeah, we was from the ghetto, but we still there was a level of Black excellence that we were told that we were supposed to strive to achieve. It wasn't this. I'm just going to be ghetto forever, or I'm just going because even in our hip-hop records, yeah, they was rapping about street stuff, but if you listen to the records from the past, they were talking about trying to make it out of this situation. You know what I'm saying. I'm doing this. I know it's wrong, but I'm doing it because I'm trying to get out of this situation that I'm in, where now we went backwards after BET was sold. That's when we started going backwards.

Speaker 3: 47:02

If you pay attention, now we're glorifying yo, I sell crack, I do this. I sniff coke. I'm doing this Girl. I sniff coke. I'm doing this Girl. She got the fatty. I pay for her body. She twerking all day. I don't understand that. These are the same images that we're showing. These are the same images that we're showing our people, especially the parents now, are showing their kids this. These kids are being even more ratchet than we've ever seen. Right, it's like a cycle that's getting worse, and then we wonder why we can't get ourselves up out of our situation. And we're in a generation where hip-hop relies and worships the bag more than themselves.

Speaker 4: 47:44

Exactly yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 47:51

Mike, your mic is off.

Speaker 4: 47:53

Yo fellas, I got to go back into the movies with my kids. It was good talking to y'all. I'm going to talk to you man. On Tuesday. I'll hit y'all up in the group chat.

Speaker 2: 48:02

All right peace.

Speaker 4: 48:03

Peace, my bro.

Speaker 2: 48:04

What I was saying. I stopped watching BET since 2002, man, I was done with BET, man.

Speaker 1: 48:10

But what was up with the, the whatever that thing was the EBT Awards, the.

Speaker 2: 48:17

EBT Awards. The BET Awards, yeah, the EBT Awards. It was just weird, man. As Clip was saying, everybody was just twerking on stage Every performance. Come out, twerk, twerk. Two lines, twerk, twerk, twerk, walk around the stage, twerk, twerk, twerk, I'm a bad chick. Twerk, twerk, twerk, and that was it. That was the show.

Speaker 3: 48:39

To be honest with you, strip club culture ruined a lot of black women in hip hop. Women in hip hop.

Speaker 2: 48:47

Don't forget the ridiculous weaves.

Speaker 3: 48:50

That's all part of Skid Club culture.

Speaker 1: 48:52

But you know, I think there was a parody of Not Like Us. Someone did a parody of Not Like Us.

Speaker 2: 48:58

Oh yeah, taraji, taraji did that. What y'all think about that?

Speaker 3: 49:04

It was cool. Will Smith put out a little. He did an okay performance for his age. I can't even front he's rusty as hell.

Speaker 1: 49:11

I saw that he's rusty man. He's 56 years old.

Speaker 3: 49:18

What are we expecting this 56-year-old man to do? He hurts that man, but that's how it raps. It just comes off cheesy because we don't listen to Will like we used to. So it looks crazy like nah Will and the rap style sounds outdated. Yeah, it's very dated.

Speaker 1: 49:38

You know, Rakim's rap style is outdated too, though.

Speaker 3: 49:42

Right now. Yeah, he just dropped a new video Corrupt and Master Killer. So you know, shout out to Rakim, what do?

Speaker 1: 49:49

you think about it.

Speaker 3: 49:51

I actually like it for what it is. You know, I'm saying like I'm not expecting rakim to give me 88. Rakim, I'm not expecting that from him age coming, say age seven, brockham, what pushing? Probably six. He probably in his 60s right now. Yeah, so I'm not expecting a 60 year old man to give to sound like he's 22. I'm appreciating it for what it is and if this is where you're at musically for your space right now, cool. If this is what you want to do, cool, I support it Because you are a hip-hop icon and a legend. I'm going to always give you that respect.

Speaker 2: 50:29

I'm going to check that out. You said Rakim and Kurupt right. Rakim.

Speaker 3: 50:33

Master.

Speaker 2: 50:34

Killer. I'm going to check that out Produced by Rakim.

Speaker 1: 50:38

What's hot right now. You know what's hot, what's hot right now Cash Cobain.

Speaker 3: 50:48

It's not my cup of tea, but this is what's. You know? Cabane Glorilla got a new single out that's about to take over Kendrick Lamar. As we know, not Like Us is the biggest song on planet earth right now for hip hop culture you like Glorilla stuff?

Speaker 1: 51:04

yeah, I like Glorilla it was supposed to be about me liking sexy red, though Tell you why I like L'Oreal.

Speaker 2: 51:15

You said she's pretty Ron.

Speaker 1: 51:18

I like sexy red and sexy beanie. Bro, she's sexier than me, son, I'm telling you bro.

Speaker 3: 51:24

She's on, not to me, but okay.

Speaker 2: 51:28

Ron got hit with the 120, right Ron Hold up.

Speaker 3: 51:33

Hold up. Her music sounds like what the region of it sounds like Memphis music. She sounds like an offspring of 3-6 Mafia and I like that For her, because it's authentic to her region, it's authentic to where she comes from. Versus us in New York, we don't sound like New Yorkers, no more. No, we don't. You know what I'm saying. Who else got?

Speaker 1: 52:03

records Kids with the drill. They sound like New Yorkers. It's like Batman.

Speaker 3: 52:07

Returns that don't sound like New York. That's not Batman Returns, that don't sound like New York.

Speaker 1: 52:17

That's not even our tempo, it's not for me, but I get it. I'm hanging on to that now, bro.

Speaker 2: 52:24

The whole thing is that's what they say in their song. I'm like that's it. Smd through the whole song.

Speaker 3: 52:35

I mean, I'm not going to know the cadence is. I feel like all of them rap exactly the same. I feel like the only drill rapper that really made it outside of Pop Smoke was what's my man? Flavio, and then what's it called came up on the drill scene, but she made it into a female type drill music, and that's, uh, what's her name? Ice Spice. You know what I'm saying. She made it. She took the drill element and made it to a female sound, which was what happened to Scarlett. Scarlett put out a new single and it just ain't hitting the way we wanted to. She came out with a she got hot doing being a vintage New Yorker.

Speaker 2: 53:22

That was tough, that track, she just changed it up.

Speaker 1: 53:25

I don't know Where's her management. Who is? Isn't it Swizz, swizz and?

Speaker 3: 53:30

Rough Riders. She's with the Rough Riders.

Speaker 1: 53:31

She's with the Rough Riders right now Swizz and them yeah.

Speaker 3: 53:37

Yo, what are they doing DMX? She came out on some female DMX tip we like, yeah, this is what we want to hear.

Speaker 1: 53:46

You know what I think? They're trying to give her creative control probably.

Speaker 2: 53:52

I don't think. I think she should have kept that energy she had when she first came on the scene.

Speaker 3: 53:59

In that lane of the rest of the females Yo love. You don't have to be not saying you can't be beautiful and a sex symbol for you being a black woman and being who you are. But you came out rugged. That's the record that got you there. That's your lane. Be the rugged chick. The chick that's like I beat all these little chicks up but I still look good. Ain't nothing I can do about it. Be that chick.

Speaker 2: 54:27

The antics threw me off, though, when I seen she had the glizzy the hot dog on the road she was doing too much.

Speaker 3: 54:34

Yeah, I'm like you got hot because you rep this is New York. I look like telling good morning, this is, that's the energy of New York. Bring back that energy that we got, aggressive energy that New York is known for.

Speaker 2: 54:54

I forgot. You always got a new song out. I haven't checked it out yet.

Speaker 1: 54:58

I'm good on that. Oh, I heard that new song.

Speaker 2: 55:02

You're good on it.

Speaker 3: 55:02

Cliff, Nah it's not If you have the record with him and Jada kids. I'm good on that, like. You know what it is and I don't want to sound offensive, but I can hear Juelz dentures throughout the whole record. It's just like.

Speaker 1: 55:18

Yo Drain's falling out while he's rapping. You can't hear it Mike. You can't hear it.

Speaker 2: 55:27

The mixtape he had that came out in 2014,. I thought that was a cool mixtape.

Speaker 3: 55:32

It was cool he was imitating the Chicago drill at that time too.

Speaker 2: 55:36

Yeah, yeah, I think it's time you know what it is. Man, I'm not going to get back to glory days.

Speaker 3: 55:43

No, he dropped the ball. He had it. He let the drugs and the influence of all the other stuff go and he got his studio raided by the feds out here in Jersey and he's never been the same since and I feel like because he was becoming an addict, which he never wants to admit to. But that's really what it was. You were becoming an addict, sipping all that syrup and all that other shit and smoking weed and everything else. You was doing what Lil Wayne was doing. But you're not Lil Wayne. Yeah, you are, jewel Santana. That's not how we operate, new Yorkers. Don't sip, lean, that's not a. And then Cam saw that you was becoming fiendish and, if we know Cam, cam has a very short. He's very short when it comes to that. He has no patience. Gotta go bro. I'm out of here. I'm not even dealing with y'all.

Speaker 2: 56:37

Exactly.

Speaker 3: 56:38

Jim dressed up in a new video too. I really don't like that record either, but that's neither here nor there. Yo, I just put something on Facebook he dressed up like an African king, and all this and that I'm like, Jim, you don't even this, don't even this image doesn't even fit you. Yo, dipset going out bad bro, except Cam, cam and Zeke, everyone's chilling. Zeke be chilling. The rest of them be looking like yo, y'all from Harlem, and this is what y'all doing. That's not how we operate.

Speaker 2: 57:17

Yeah, I don't know what happened to them. They had it from like 01 to 05. They were just moving out here, bro.

Speaker 1: 57:21

Yeah, I think because they were more closer to the culture. You know what I mean. I think when brothers start moving away and getting a whole lot of money, they start becoming what you call it out of touch, out of touch yeah.

Speaker 2: 57:39

The problem is they didn't grow up.

Speaker 3: 57:40

Yeah, they stayed. Yeah, they didn't grow up. You still running around acting like this glee, like still doing stuff like this. You know what I'm saying, jules? You didn't grow up. You still out here looking, look at the outfit you're wearing. You're still out here trying to dress like you're 21. No, bro, you're in your 40s, chill out.

Speaker 1: 58:04

You're like 41?.

Speaker 3: 58:06

Yeah, you're like 41. Chill out, it seems like they didn't mature.

Speaker 2: 58:15

Yeah, they stuck spending their time.

Speaker 3: 58:18

Yeah, once that era left, y'all look a little crazy. Jim held on because Jim was actually making decent music, but at the time, jim, you look like you really need to chill out. You got a whole face full of grays and you still talking street rap better get that Beijing right just you can evolve from being a gangster blood rapper.

Speaker 1: 58:45

I think just whatever, he's just trying to get money, he don't even care.

Speaker 2: 58:50

I think he's trying to stay close to the people. That's it.

Speaker 1: 58:57

He need to take a vacation, he need to reinvent himself.

Speaker 3: 59:03

He need to shave all this off his face and get a regular cool goatee joint.

Speaker 2: 59:09

He had a few albums that were tough to me. That album he had the Kitchen, was a dope album. He had a few albums that were tough to me, like that album he had the Kitchen was a dope album. He had a couple albums, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 59:16

He has good music, but the thing with Jim for me is that he gotta you know, just you gotta mature, bro. How many times you gonna keep rapping about? You was pitching grams in the Harlem lobbies, like we know. You've been telling us this for the past 20 and you still shooting videos on the block. Meanwhile you got people like Hov, fat Joe and all these other artists. That's like dog. I live in Miami, I'm out of my business. I'm not doing all this. We've evolved, We've leveled up. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 59:53

You can't stay. I think he has a studio with a replica store built that he shoots.

Speaker 3: 1:00:01

It's like you're going too hard. I'm a hip-hop guy, so I'm going to always support hip-hop guys, but I feel like, Jim, you should be signing artists at this point. You should be a CEO.

Speaker 2: 1:00:17

He finds talent. He knows how to find talent. You should be a CEO.

Speaker 3: 1:00:19

You got talent, he know how to find talent, Be a CEO. You got 730. I mean, you got what's it called. Was it 730 Bird Gang or whatever?

Speaker 2: 1:00:26

730 Bird Gang.

Speaker 3: 1:00:27

yeah, you got 730 Bird Gang or Vampire Life or whatever it's called. Right, if you got that, go grab some new artists and help them get hot and you get money on the back end like you don't have to be in the spotlight every day, bro, like go do some funny stuff, like do the weather reports that you was doing. That was that. I thought that was dope yeah, it was yeah you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 1:00:56

He could have been doing that but you still holding on to this grudge with Mace. Like let that go, y'all. You're 49 years old, bro. Like let it go.

Speaker 1: 1:01:07

I know Cam is 49 right now. Yeah, cam, and Cam is 49 years old.

Speaker 3: 1:01:13

Oh, wow, damn, this is what I'm saying y'all, technically, are the y'all like super OG's to the young generation? Like go chill out, go make that money. You don't gotta make albums, no more. You could've got this money with Mase and Cam and that bag would've been so much. While they doing the sports, you could come in with your little weather joint. Yeah, make it comedy. Then come back to the set and all three of y'all talk sports and remember they could bring, he could.

Speaker 3: 1:01:48

He could bring maino on, he could bring uh yeah, open doors yeah on and yeah, yeah and they can have a barbershop conversation about sports, which we all would tune into, because now it's a new way of podcasting. Yeah, it's not just interviews. Y'all sitting there chit-chatting about sports, you showing that hip-hop is evolving into something else. Y'all can literally be the new sports cast at ESPN. Like, we don't want to watch first take, we don't want to watch this, we want to watch this. Y'all can literally be the new sports cast that take over ESPN. Like, we don't want to watch first take, we don't want to watch this, we want to watch this, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:02:25

Like. The new BET is NYP.

Speaker 1: 1:02:31

Yeah, Yo. I like that though yeah, the new BET BET is NYP. Ah, I'm going to use that right there.

Speaker 2: 1:02:38

Yeah, the hip-hop side.

Speaker 3: 1:02:39

I feel like Cam and Mase. I love the show right, but I feel like the show needs something else now. It needs something else besides them two talking back and forth. They tried to incorporate basketball players and I don't have a problem with Mark Jackson and all of them being on the show. I think they should have a small segment, but I think they need more hip hop artists coming in Like have ASAP, rocky, come in, get to get you know what I'm saying have, have, have you know young, young hip hop acts be guests like sports analysts on the show. But y'all talking barbershop, talk about, about current events in sports.

Speaker 2: 1:03:18

I think what Cam is doing because, knowing he's a very, he's a businessman with a lot of acumen I think he's building smart. You know, Cam can take his time with certain things, you know.

Speaker 3: 1:03:28

He do, but at this point they've been on for what? Two years now.

Speaker 2: 1:03:32

I think a year, two years, and that's not to anybody right.

Speaker 3: 1:03:35

Yeah, but you know how, like, if you watch First Talk, if you watch First Talk, like if you watch, you know First Talk Sports or First Take or whatever, and you see Stephen A Smith and then one day they'll have Paul Pierce and another day they'll have Grant Hale. You know somebody like that. Yeah, get that, keep it like that, but make it hip-hop. You're right about that.

Speaker 2: 1:03:58

He had OJ Simpson. They had OJ on their show. That was wild.

Speaker 3: 1:04:01

That was cool. They had OJ on there talking football.

Speaker 2: 1:04:05

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:04:08

OJ passed. Rest in peace. But you know what I'm saying. They was on the right path, yeah, but now go get some acts that we haven't seen. You can have Fat Joe up there. Fat Joe, talk the sports with y'all For one day, not saying every day, but just like a few days. You have a different guest. Come in Y'all still. Keep y'all two-man thing going on, but start getting some more hip-hop cats in there to talk about sports. You don't even got to plug their albums, none of that. We don't even care about y'all plugging in y'all music. At this point we want to hear y'all personalities about sports, because I want to feel like I'm in a barbershop.

Speaker 1: 1:04:45

What you think about Cam always dropping a freestyle?

Speaker 2: 1:04:48

I like that, but I like that.

Speaker 3: 1:04:51

You're still keeping it hip-hop yeah. You know what I mean. Give us Mason's cool verse.

Speaker 1: 1:04:58

Time in on that though.

Speaker 3: 1:05:02

Mason needs to come in, though I think he will. Just he let Cam do that part of part of it for now, because Mace handle a lot of business behind the scenes too. So it's like you know, and then when they when you know how sometimes they got a phone in or they got a cam in, like we doing right now they can't be face to face have another artist come in there and just do what they need to be a part of it. Just somebody in hip-hop. We got a million hip-hop guests. I mean hip-hop people. There's a million people in our culture, and I'm not saying they all got to be rappers, they could be yo. We got A&R for this label or this person here, just you know, talking hip hop and sports.

Speaker 2: 1:05:45

I think they building up their, they building up their resume more and financially before they could do that, because how many subscribers they have so far now, like half a mil, something like that, or a mil, at least half a mil, at least half a mil.

Speaker 3: 1:05:58

But I'm saying, the reason why I say they need more guests is so they can get more eyes.

Speaker 2: 1:06:02

Yeah, you're right about that, Wasn't.

Speaker 3: 1:06:03

Stephen A.

Speaker 2: 1:06:04

Smith on the show.

Speaker 3: 1:06:06

Bobby Schmurda.

Speaker 2: 1:06:09

Yeah, that'd be.

Speaker 3: 1:06:10

With Cam and Mace talking basketball With his hyper funny self, because he's funny, I like him. He's Kodak Black up there with his own.

Speaker 2: 1:06:24

Yeah. Shut up no Paganay.

Speaker 1: 1:06:27

Yeah, they're at right now 600K. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:06:32

You know what I'm saying? They got 600K. If they do like I say, if they get certain people, get people from the West Coast, get somebody like Snoop on there Through the roof.

Speaker 1: 1:06:46

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:06:48

You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 1:06:49

I think they're building pretty well though, you know. But like you said, man, I think I agree with both you and Mike. I think that Cam is probably taking his time with it, and maybe Snoop is going to come in on his joint, probably like six months to a year from now. Who knows?

Speaker 2: 1:07:10

He had Ice Cube on there, he had Ice Cube.

Speaker 3: 1:07:13

He's promoting the big three.

Speaker 2: 1:07:15

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:07:17

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, just get more. But you know, ice Cube interviews be kind of like. That's what I'm saying, like, just get more. You know, ice Cube interviews be kind of like that's my guy, I love Ice Cube, but Ice Cube is like real dry as he got older. He be like yeah, yeah, that's why he don't really laugh and joke a lot of times. Yeah, I want it to be like laughing and joking and cracking jokes while they're talking sports.

Speaker 2: 1:07:42

Yeah, yeah, cameron Macy watching this, checking the NYP.

Speaker 3: 1:07:45

Cameron Macy's Harlem. So it's always going to be support for me. But you know, I know they could be so much bigger and I want them to be so much bigger.

Speaker 2: 1:07:54

You know, they'll say that pause, pause, wow, they would have been like that was crazy right there.

Speaker 1: 1:07:59

Yeah, that was crazy right there, that was crazy.

Speaker 4: 1:08:07

That was crazy. That was crazy. That was so much good.

Speaker 2: 1:08:13

That was crazy right there. That was wild, that was crazy.

Speaker 1: 1:08:18

Yo, man, let's wrap this up, man. Thanks for everybody viewing, thanks for coming on here. Oh, pause Yo.

Speaker 2: 1:08:33

Thank you for checking in.

Speaker 3: 1:08:35

Checking in.

Speaker 2: 1:08:36

We appreciate you guys. Yo man, we don't know what happened to the.

Speaker 1: 1:08:38

Hebrew-Israelite brother. Check it in. Check it in For joining our show. We appreciate you guys Joining our show. Yo man, we don't know what happened to the Hebrew-Israelite brother. He never responded, so I guess he's going to be on another show. Tomorrow we got Sharif and Neil Bay talking about reparations. Thursday we got a whole show. This is a busy week for the show. See y'all tomorrow 7 pm and we're out of here. Peace.

Speaker 2: 1:09:01

We out, NYP we out.