Step into a world of heritage and history with Dr. Alim Bey, who unveils his astonishing genealogy, claiming connections to the revered Prophet Noble Drew Ali. Through meticulous genealogical records and Ancestry.com, Dr. Bey maps out his lineage to historic figures such as Charles Mosley Bey and Elijah Muhammad, illustrating connections between James L. Drew, Lucy Mosley, and the Turner family. This episode doesn't just recount names but brings to life the historical significance of these ancestors, including the Turner family's landmark legal battles over the Louisiana Purchase.
Listeners will be enthralled by the intricate ties of Elijah Muhammad's ancestry, revealing links to the Poole and Paul families and, potentially, to Prophet Noble Drew Ali himself. Dr. Bey emphasizes the importance of verification through genealogical research, offering a compelling perspective on the broader historical and nobility context. The narrative is enriched with discussions on the intertwined histories of the Nation of Islam and the Moorish Science Temple of America, highlighting visual evidence like photographs from the 1920s and 1930s that showcase their shared heritage.
We also journey through personal stories of discovering one's roots via DNA, including a moving tale of reunion after 50 years of adoption. The identity of Wallace Fard Muhammad, the enigmatic founder of the Nation of Islam, is put under the microscope, exploring claims, aliases, and testimonies that have shrouded his true identity. The episode wraps up with a look at moral questions around advanced weaponry and the intriguing intersections of historical movements and figures, tying together a rich tapestry of connections and legacies. Join us for this enlightening and thought-provoking exploration of genealogy, history, and personal discovery.
Step into a world of heritage and history with Dr. Alim Bey, who unveils his astonishing genealogy, claiming connections to the revered Prophet Noble Drew Ali. Through meticulous genealogical records and Ancestry.com, Dr. Bey maps out his lineage to historic figures such as Charles Mosley Bey and Elijah Muhammad, illustrating connections between James L. Drew, Lucy Mosley, and the Turner family. This episode doesn't just recount names but brings to life the historical significance of these ancestors, including the Turner family's landmark legal battles over the Louisiana Purchase.
Listeners will be enthralled by the intricate ties of Elijah Muhammad's ancestry, revealing links to the Poole and Paul families and, potentially, to Prophet Noble Drew Ali himself. Dr. Bey emphasizes the importance of verification through genealogical research, offering a compelling perspective on the broader historical and nobility context. The narrative is enriched with discussions on the intertwined histories of the Nation of Islam and the Moorish Science Temple of America, highlighting visual evidence like photographs from the 1920s and 1930s that showcase their shared heritage.
We also journey through personal stories of discovering one's roots via DNA, including a moving tale of reunion after 50 years of adoption. The identity of Wallace Fard Muhammad, the enigmatic founder of the Nation of Islam, is put under the microscope, exploring claims, aliases, and testimonies that have shrouded his true identity. The episode wraps up with a look at moral questions around advanced weaponry and the intriguing intersections of historical movements and figures, tying together a rich tapestry of connections and legacies. Join us for this enlightening and thought-provoking exploration of genealogy, history, and personal discovery.
Showtime. What's going on? Everybody? It's Ron Brown, LMT, the People's Fitness Professional, alongside my co-host, Mikey Fever, and this is a New Yorkers Perspective. We got the brother, Dr Alim Bey, back in the building.
Speaker 2:
Guards in the building.
Speaker 1:
Let's talk about it. I mean, the last time you were up here you had some interesting things to say and I would like to go into that. But basically in the last one, if you didn't see it, the way we podcast, the way we start off interviews is we get people to kind of like get a, you know, like a history. We like to get their history reduce themselves out there right, right platform, exactly.
Speaker 1:
So we got his history and then he made some um some claims that he said he can show and prove and he brought him today. So one of the claims was uh dr aleem uh bay. I would like for you to say what you said before.
Speaker 3:
Yes, I am the first cousin four times removal, prophet Noah Jirali. And the first cousin of Prophet Noah Jirali is Charles Mosley Bay, as well as related to them is Honorable Elijah Muhammad.
Speaker 2:
Oh, I did say that he's going to hurt the Dr. Alim God, you're going to hurt the people.
Speaker 1:
Dr Alim, your Wi-Fi is a little iffy right now. I don't know if you can move you said my Wi-Fi is iffy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, cloudy. No, I think it's the connection.
Speaker 3:
Oh.
Speaker 1:
I don't know. Okay, let's just go into it. So let's look at your connection. Yeah, now it's better. Okay, so now can you say that one more time, brother.
Speaker 3:
Yes, I am the first cousin of Prophet Nobodrali, four times removed. Prophet Nobodrali's first cousin is Charles Mosley Bay, and related to them is Honorable Elijah Muhammad.
Speaker 1:
Okay, all right, so you're going to start off presenting the facts. With what? With your ancestry?
Speaker 3:
Yes.
Speaker 1:
Okay, so I'm going to put it up.
Speaker 3:
We're going to go to ancestrycom.
Speaker 1:
All right Okay.
Speaker 3:
We're there, All right. So we go to trees, Go to my family tree, Then we go to fine tree, All right. So here we have. Let me put this out, bring this up a little bit for y'all to see, All right. James L Drew is the son of Frederick D Drew, who is my third great grandfather. His wife is Lucy or Eloise they call her Lucy but her name was Lucy Mosley. Lucy Mosley is the sister to Charles PH Mosley. Charles PH Mosley is senior to junior who is known as Charles Mosley Bay. Now, interestingly, Prophet Nobid Ali's father is known as John A Drew. Now he married Eliza Turner, which I'll get to that in a minute. But Prophet Nobadri Ali came to live with James L Drew. He himself was a Drew as he was the son of John Drew. So he was adopted into James family, James and Louise family this is the aunt in which that prophet spoke about that burned him or cast him into fire. I don't know. Ifall know the science behind that.
Speaker 1:
I think I heard something like that.
Speaker 3:
Yes, that was Louise or Lucy who did that to Prophet Noble Jirali. All right, so that is the problem that he had with Lucy or Louise, which happens to be the aunt to Charles Mosley Bay. All right, who technically would be. Let me show you who. Let me go to Prof Nova Jolly, okay, okay, as you see here, prophet Noah, son of John A or W Drew, eliza Turner. John Drew's brother is Frederick D Drew. Frederick D Drew is my third great-grandfather. His daughter was Sarah Trent Drew, her daughter was Emily Morhan Trent, her son was Joseph J Butler and his son is Ronald J butler, who is my father.
Speaker 1:
All right, and, as you see here, this is me all right, we got to rewind that because you know why. We got to just let's go up let's go all the way back up. It's me Right. We want people to really analyze this Right.
Speaker 3:
Right, all right. So this is me, osaralene Elbay, known as Leander Jerome Dancy, or my mother's given name would have been Damien Days Butler. So here my father is Ronald J Butler. Is this him? Maybe I need to make it a little bit bigger, okay, okay. Okay, His father is Joseph J Butler.
Speaker 3:
Eleanor Moorhan, emily Moorhan Trent, emily Moran Trent, related to the daughter of Sarah Trent Drew, who is the daughter of Frederick D Drew, who lived 1837 to 1919. Frederick D Drew is the brother to John Drew. Eliza Turner, which happens to be the mother and father of Prophet Noble Drew, ali. Eliza Turner, which happens to be the mother and father of Prophet Noble Drew, ali, prophet Noble Drew. Ali's sister is Corella Turner Drew. She married Johnny Gaston, some say Johnny Aaron Gaston. Johnny Gaston's son and Cruella's son Was Johnny Gaston Jr, who married Verdiassi Tierra Turnica, gaston L Bay, known as the Empress Of the Ouachita. Their son is Frederick J Washington, who's still living, or Ouachita, who's still living, known as King Joe of the Ouachita, and the present Empress, wendy, is my first cousin one time removed. Now, eliza Turner, mother and father is Henry J Turner and Sarah Turner. All right Now, this is interesting because they are mentioned in the landmark case of the heirs of Turner versus the United States, in which that they won back 68,883 acres of land from the United States, showing and proving that the so-called Louisiana Purchase never was purchased and is still known as the Ouachita proper to this day. Now, henry J Turner is the son of Louis F J de Bourbon and Annie Maria, and they are Prophet Nobidrali's great-grandparents, which means that they are also my great-great-great-great-great-grandparents. All right Now. All right, let me go.
Speaker 3:
Now we go to Elijah Muhammad. Elijah Muhammad, mother and father, william Poole, maria Paul Muhammad, as she was known as, and we have Irwin Poole, peggy Taylor, we have John C Poole, eliza S Jordan, then the parents of John Seapool is Samuel Seapool and Lucretia Poole, who is Samuel Poole, and Abigail Poole, and then we have Samuel Polk and Sarah Slepter. Excuse me, I wish that goes back to Samuel Paul, sarah Brauburg these are people who are now famous in history. If you go and do your research on Samuel Poole, elizabeth Burden or, excuse me, brenton, you can look some of these people up on the Internet. You'll find out that it was pretty famous in history. You'll find out that it was pretty famous in history and it goes back to the whole family from out of Europe, which is part of a black nobility family from out of Europe, right, so that is the connection in which that we was talking about. Are there any questions concerning anything? Yes, so the pool family right anything.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, so the Poole family, right.
Speaker 3:
Yes, Now you said they're connected, yes, which was spelled many different ways. Sometimes it was spelled P-O-L-E, like pole, or spelled P-O-O-L or P-O-O-L-E or P-A-U-L-P, a-u-l-k, soa-u-l-k, so it was so many different ways that it was spelled throughout history and I thought that was very interesting within itself.
Speaker 1:
Okay now, how would the Poole family be connected to Charles Mosley Bay?
Speaker 3:
All right, okay now how would the Poole family be connected to Charles Mosley Bay. All right, I got a question after this it was through Prophet Noble Drew Ali that they was related, in which that because of the marriage between James L Drew and his wife, lucy. And then, of course, the brother of Lucy is Charles Mosley Sr.
Speaker 1:
Right, okay, I see, okay, here we go.
Speaker 2:
I have a question for you, dr Alim. Yes, with these claims. Have you ever contacted anybody from the Nation of Islam, or Elijah Muhammad's offspring, to speak to them about this?
Speaker 3:
No, I haven't. To present it to them. No, no, no, I haven't To present it to them. No, no, no. I'm still in the process of putting everything together, but these are just some of the clues that I've discovered thus far. There's many more, such as also related to the first president of the so-called United States, which would have been what they refer to. They call him John Hanson.
Speaker 2:
He is also in the same family line. Okay, got you.
Speaker 1:
I got you Because, with information like this you're presenting people are going to be in a frenzy, but we got to think about what he just presented before he went to the Poole family. He went into how he had a connection, or he has a connection, to be Prophet Noble Juhali's fourth cousin removed. Yes, now, prophet Noble Juhali is connected to Elijah Poole.
Speaker 3:
Right.
Speaker 1:
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2:
All right, Now it's not possible.
Speaker 1:
You know I'm now and it's not possible it's you know not saying it's not possible. But right, yeah, okay now, the connection between uh pool and or elijah pool, or elijah muhammad connection to charles mosley bay is that it's through prophet nobu juali. Okay, right, okay now, right, um, now, any other relations you you found, I think? I don't, I don't, I don't want to misquote because these, this is real sensitive, but if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Now, did you say anything about a law or um?
Speaker 3:
no okay, you didn't say okay okay no, okay, no, no, but that would be interesting in order to find out if um father-in-law was his part of this bloodline too. But no, I haven't found anything on that.
Speaker 1:
Okay now, um, how did you figure this out? How did you put the pieces to the puzzle together? I mean.
Speaker 3:
Well, if you see the green leaf that is there above certain people's name, that give you what is known as a clue. I'll show you. For example, I'm going to click on to the green leaf that's above Elijah Muhammad's head here. Then it takes me here. All right, so it gives you clues. For example, elijah Poole. See how they spell his name here Without the E Elijah Poole, so you can review it. All right, everything match up. Okay, born October the 10th. Yeah, he was a Libra, 1899. All right, boom, boom. All right, all right, that looks like that is confirmed information. You know, you can say yes, confirmed, or maybe or no, because that is one of the clues that they're giving you. Let's look here Elijah Muhammad, 1928, detroit, michigan. Oh, detroit, michigan. We know he was in Detroit. He was part of Temple number four, in which that was formerly under. Well, that was over by the individual who ended up betraying Prophet Noble Jirali, and everybody should know that individual name. Y'all know that individual name.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, what's his name For the listeners for?
Speaker 1:
the viewers and listeners. Like I said, this is sensitive so I don't want to say but yeah, go ahead, yeah.
Speaker 2:
Listen. At the end of the day, people got to evolve. We can't be zealots, man, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:
But I want to hear it.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, I want to hear it. Well, remember, it was him and Claude Green Bay in which that who was the actual I guess you could say curator of the Unity Hall there in Chicago. He helped actually get the Unity Hall for profit and overdraft. He was the business manager that was the position of Claude Green Bay who ended up getting killed behind Unity Hall, allegedly by two assailants, stabbed up as well as also shot, which is supposed to have been by Allah El.
Speaker 3:
Now, all right, and of course, you can do your research on who is Allah El, all right, but the individual who was over presided over temple number four in Detroit later left due to the conflict in which that occurred and the death of business manager Claude Green Bay Supreme Business Manager, claude Green Bay, and he ended up going on various trips around the world. He went to Turkey, went to Egypt, went to different places and came back later on with his own version of Islam you know more. So, dedicated towards Sunni Islam, all right, but he was known as the Supreme Grand Governor. Okay, he was the Supreme Grand Governor, so if we put in, we will pull up, we come down.
Speaker 1:
His name is brother Lomax Bay okay, so just to connect the dots, because there was like a space where you know you weren't talking and sometimes you know, especially with these phones, you know attention spans right. So now you're connecting Lomax Bay to who?
Speaker 3:
Lomax Bay was the supreme grand governor and um was over temple number four, where Elijah Muhammad was a member of Okay, and when we seen that he was in Detroit in 1928, that was during that time period. And then Temple no 4 goes on to become the first temple of Islam, what is known as Allah's Temple of Islam, which becomes the first temple of the Nation of Islam. Later on it was temple number four.
Speaker 2:
So you're saying Elijah Muhammad was a member of the Mursine Temple?
Speaker 3:
Yes, he was. Uh-oh, it was Robert Poole Bay. Yes.
Speaker 1:
All right Now. You know there's a lot of controversy on online about that right now.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, yeah. Well, I have all the information on my website. They can go and read and study in and decide if they want to accept the truth or not.
Speaker 2:
It'll be like angry Moors making videos.
Speaker 1:
No, not Moors Nation Islam.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, Pardon me yeah that's fine.
Speaker 3:
I mean, that's the truth of the matter. I'm not here to sugarcoat the family history. I mean that's just what it was. I have pictures of Elijah Muhammad standing behind Prophet Nobid Ali.
Speaker 2:
Really, yes, whoa, can you pull those up? I'm looking for it right now. Yes, whoa, can you pull those up? Put that up.
Speaker 3:
I'm looking for it right now.
Speaker 2:
Yes, as Ron said, people take this very sensitive. People are very sensitive about this topic.
Speaker 3:
Yes, I understand Very sensitive.
Speaker 2:
Although many were not present, were not even alive in those times, but they did it hard as if they were dead.
Speaker 3:
Yes, yes, that's true, that is very true, and I understand. All right, prof Nobadrali. Prof Nobadrali, now I can get a better picture now.
Speaker 1:
now, why are you finding that? I don't know you multitask well, but, um, what made you? What made you look for your connection with the? Did you look for your connection with the? Did you look for your connection with the prophet through ancestrycom, or you happen to stumble upon it?
Speaker 3:
Um, no, when I got to um, frederick drew you. Come out, the prophet right.
Speaker 1:
Yes, sir.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, when I got to affect your drew and I was like, drew, hold up, what's going on. You know what's going on with this. Well, who was Drew, um, frederick, drew's brothers or sisters, what was the family relationship, you know? And then I seen it was John Drew. Y'all like, Hmm, that's interesting, you know.
Speaker 1:
So that's how that came about now, don't you find it ironic that you know you end up in this movement and yes, I do.
Speaker 3:
The ancestors are always trying to bring us back to them.
Speaker 1:
Yes, now always trying to bring us back to them. Yes, now it makes me want to look through my bloodline.
Speaker 3:
Yes, it's necessary because it would give you a lot of information on why you feel the way you do and why you have the connections, and you know, in certain things. You know, for example, we talking about DNA, we talking about genetic memory, and so you know that. Make me understand now the reason why I felt the way that I felt about certain things, just since I was a child, you know, which I went over the last time when I was on here, you know. So it makes a whole lot of sense and I get more into it in a minute. Let me pull this up.
Speaker 2:
That DNA doesn't lie.
Speaker 3:
No, dna doesn't lie no, dna doesn't lie, that's very mathematical that's one thing, god I found my mother and my father's people through DNA. Well, that's what I was looking for. I was looking for my mother and father. I was not looking you know what I'm saying for Prophet Noah Ali or Elijah Muhammad or anyone else. I was just looking for my mother and father, because it took me 50 years to find out who I was, because I was adopted. Wow.
Speaker 1:
That's so weird, man Like like you gotta think about that right there yeah, yeah yeah, like you didn't really know your family history no, I didn't know my family at all.
Speaker 3:
Wow, yeah, I didn't know my family at all, you know. So that was was to have this information correlated. You know, within the last five years, you know, was was something in which that was phenomenal for me. But this right here is part of the last thing.
Speaker 2:
Yes, can you see it.
Speaker 3:
Yes, can you see it?
Speaker 1:
Let me see, let me see.
Speaker 3:
Maybe you got to change. Yes, change the screen.
Speaker 2:
This is dope. This is dope Watching this, listening to this.
Speaker 1:
I'm learning as well. I think, brother Aleem, you got to whatever that, whatever you have here, take it off and then replace it with Okay, so on a stop screen. Okay, there we go.
Speaker 3:
All right, and then present once again, right.
Speaker 1:
Yep, yep.
Speaker 3:
Okay, right, right. This is proof of the role in Detroit, michigan, as you see here, this is 1928, july 3rd 1928. Nobadri Ali Islam. All right, then we come down. You will see somebody's name here. Who name is this here? Brother White Robert Pool.
Speaker 2:
Bay. I heard that name. I heard the use of that name before.
Speaker 1:
There's a lot of pools, though you got Robert Pool Bay.
Speaker 3:
But Robert Pool Bay, who is Elijah Muhammad brother, is John Poole Bay, and John pulled out a fez and put it on his head and said this is what we use to wear. Now I can show you that video as well, but let me show you this is Noble Jowali here.
Speaker 1:
And right behind him diagonally, is who we refer?
Speaker 2:
to as Elijah Muhammad. Oh, okay, I can see it, the silhouette.
Speaker 1:
Nah, that's more than a silhouette, bro.
Speaker 2:
It's not low little islam. Islam wars yeah, I just want to say zooming in, okay. Yeah, I see, I see, yeah, the features yeah okay, okay.
Speaker 3:
Now you said uh yeah, this is according to the moorish elders. They say in the picture to the left in the far back, elijah muhammad at the first moorish science temple of america.
Speaker 2:
Annual national convention of 1928 to add on to what you were saying. I did see elijah muhammad's brother, um john. He had there's a lecture he gave. He did have a fez on his head. I've seen that lecture before.
Speaker 3:
Yes, and he spoke about it. Yes, In fact, he tells you this is him right here with the fez on his head, that he's speaking about it, and he says that in earlier times he said we used to wear the fez. Now, this is the Supreme Minister, John Muhammad, who's known as John Pool Bay, At temple number four. The brother of Honorable Elijah Muhammad states that the NOI members used to wear the fez. He pulls it from up underneath the podium and puts it on his head Right. Here's the picture now what's up?
Speaker 1:
ron ron faces like no, you know, I've, I've, I've seen this many times, right you? Know, um, and and, and let's say, you know people from the nation of islam. From what I've seen online, they get really, you know, up in arms about this.
Speaker 2:
But why?
Speaker 1:
though my thing is like if Elijah Muhammad was inspired and took some of the teachings from and he tells you this.
Speaker 3:
He tells you in Theology of Time that he says he speaks about Prophet Noah, he speaks about Marcus Garvey and say they was good brothers, good men, and he was trying to pull the Moors and the people who was from the camp of UNIA into the Nation of Islam. He tells you this in Theology of Time.
Speaker 2:
So they should, they should, they should be a leader about this, because what he did, he amplified. He took the tools that he was given and he amplified it.
Speaker 3:
Exactly.
Speaker 2:
And did something you know no shade to nobody, but something much more greater.
Speaker 3:
Right.
Speaker 1:
That produced a lot. I'm going to say this I like divinely prepared. I, like you know in the prophet's literature, divinely prepared. His, his teachings were the prophets Teachings were divinely prepared. The nation of Islam teachings were divinely prepared and the five percent nation teachings were divinely prepared.
Speaker 3:
Yes, there we go. Sound good to me, no problem. Nobody should have a problem with that, because we are all Asiatics and in all three states that we are Asiatics. So what is the issue? What is the problem? Right, there is none. It's a continuation of the same family teachings.
Speaker 2:
They're all powerful to me. They're all powerful to me.
Speaker 3:
All powerful. So, as we see, see here, this is the actual picture of 1934. 34 um of it says right here prophet wd fraud crowning lost, found brothers of islam and they was wearing the fez, just as John Muhammad stated that they were.
Speaker 1:
And then they got out of using the fez. For what?
Speaker 3:
Right Because of the bad publicity that the Moors had at that time because of their intolerance. Right Of the intolerance of Chicago police and different authorities around the country. Yes, all right.
Speaker 2:
Alima? Are all these photos on your website?
Speaker 3:
Yes, they are.
Speaker 2:
Oh, that's peace. I'll check it out.
Speaker 3:
Go to my website and you can go to wwwdoctoraleemalbaycom and go to Moorish Holy Temple of Science of the World page and you can see all of this information Also showing and proving about Maserat mohammed and who he was as well okay, now his, his, his, his, uh, history and um, just himself.
Speaker 1:
He's just more like a mystery to me, like, so what? Who? Who was he like? Where does he come from? Was he european? Was he half original, you know? Was he arabic? Whatever, you know? Um, what was his?
Speaker 2:
history. You don't want to take a little crack at that?
Speaker 3:
no, I don't have. I don't have no problem with that um.
Speaker 2:
According to omar shabazz, he had a documentary called oh my god, muhammad yes and he mentioned that the brother was from India, something like that.
Speaker 2:
He studied Islam, some brothers in India, and he came over to the US and then he had before his nation of Islam. It was something else he had and then, as you mentioned, they had a few members that were with them. One committed a murder of a white person and they had a member like Ugan Ali. I didn't get that documentary. You can also look on YouTube. Oh my God, omar Shabazz. Oh my God, master Farah Muhammad, by Omar Shabazz. Yeah, definitely Shout out to Omar Shabazz man.
Speaker 1:
So we were supposed to have Omar Shabazz on the show a long time ago? Yeah, we were supposed to.
Speaker 2:
He won us in his documentary also yeah Beautiful, yeah Well in this documentary also Beautiful.
Speaker 3:
Go ahead, it has to be decoded. This is some of the information that I've discovered. We know they have 58 aliases. After he left Onubilaj Muhammad and left him in charge of the Nation of Islam, he went back to Oakland, california, and opened a restaurant and was there cooking until the time an individual by the name Onubilaj Muhammad's son let me just say that um Wafi Muhammad contacted him and he came back out from from hiding, I guess you can say.
Speaker 1:
Wait a minute, hold on, let's rewind, ok.
Speaker 3:
Yes.
Speaker 1:
So so the Nation of Islam is, it is already out, it's created.
Speaker 3:
Already created.
Speaker 1:
Okay, now, he then disappears.
Speaker 3:
Well, he leaves right. Okay, According to Ony Bilaj Muhammad, he seen him off and he left disappeared. But according to Wafi Muhammad, he jumped on a plane and went to California.
Speaker 1:
Okay, and that's where he opened up a restaurant and he went there to be a cook.
Speaker 3:
Well, it was his own restaurant. So yes, he was the head chef of his own restaurant.
Speaker 1:
Okay, now what is his, his, his ethnicity?
Speaker 3:
His ethnicity is allegedly Indian. Some speculate Persian Indian. However, you want to refer to it as, to it as. So that's what it is.
Speaker 1:
Now I wonder what was his motivation to bring Asiatics here in North America, to, you know, the nation of Islam, these teachings, and where did he get these teachings from?
Speaker 3:
He was a Masonic Shriner.
Speaker 1:
And within the teachings of victory and shrine.
Speaker 3:
Enshrined them are the keys of who is the original man. The original man is the Asiatic Black man. The maker, the owner, the cream of planet Earth, father of civilization, god of the universe, of course, the owner, the cream of planet Earth, father of civilization, god of the universe. Of course, we added in the father of civilization. So this is who we're talking about and he's the one in which that proceeded to give us this information back. He's seen the plate in which that we was, in all around the world, especially here in America, dehumanized, lynched, robbed, maimed, castrated, killed, murdered, violent. He's seen all of this Killed, murdered, filed land. He's seen all of this, the ritualism which they have within Freemasonry, european Freemasonry is mockery to that.
Speaker 3:
They call it cult murders, right, especially with the flying, where there is a straight mockery of Islam. They can eat pork or whatever else they do and say As-salamu alaykum when they greet each other, wa-alaykum As-salam. So this is what was going on. So while I play, we can do the real thing. Mm-hmm, so this is what was going on. So while I play, we can do the real thing, or do as real of a thing as you possibly could.
Speaker 3:
All right, so what we find out is that Alash Muhammad challenged the Hearst Press, which had publicized the story, and offered $100,000 to anyone who could prove Wallace Ford was an alias of Wallace D Ford. Hazel Ford, the former common law wife of Wallace Dodd Ford, stepped forward with what she claimed was proof that Ford and Dodd were indeed one in the same. This is according to the FBI files. She also claimed to have a child fathered by Dodd a fraud. The money was never placed in Estro and the matter was dropped. Hmm, now I got a copy of their wedding certificate showing that they were married. Wally Dodd Ford California state certificate of marriage. A marriage certificate dated June 5th 1924, was issued to Wally Dodd Ford and Carmen Torino in Orange County, california. This is it here.
Speaker 2:
Wow, that's deep. But, alim, I heard Muhammad Ali spoke about this one time. He was on the phone with him.
Speaker 3:
Yes, he was. He spoke to him. That's true. Yes, it is, oh wow.
Speaker 1:
This picture right here right.
Speaker 3:
The first wife of Muhammad Ali said the exact same thing.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, so my thing is like okay with this brother here, brother here. Right, these two pictures look different maybe.
Speaker 3:
Maybe he was younger in the other picture right but they okay, I can see the ears yes, the ears, the chin, the lips, the nose yeah, and this is a mug shot this is a mug shot. And then we talking about. You know you got a fez. Sometimes fezes are tight on their head, depending on the size, and so it pulls up your face some.
Speaker 2:
Hmm, that's deep.
Speaker 3:
But this is what Wallace Dean Farad or Wafdine Muhammad, I should say said. He said this is he says in 1975, said in several speeches that he was in communication with the founders said Master Farad Muhammad is not dead. Brothers and sisters, he is physically alive and I talk to him whenever I get ready. I don't talk to him in any spooky way. I get on the, I go to the telephone and dial his number. Nevertheless, wafi Muhammad claimed that Farad had returned to the United States under the name Muhammad Abdullah In 1976, he left Yo.
Speaker 1:
what were they doing, though? Like? What was that about like? All right, I'm running the nation of islam, we doing a nation of islam. All right, I leave right and then I'm then. Elijah muhammad, did they make up this story? Some way okay, you know what?
Speaker 3:
understand that. Remember he had 58 aliases. So obviously he served time in prison or jail and therefore, to protect his identity, this is what Muhammad did, okay, okay, but Wafi, muhammad say there's no need to protect it. Now, you know those things happened in 1934, 33, yeah, 33, 34, and this is 1974, five and six and whatever you know Well, 33, 34. And this is 1974, five and six and whatever you know Well, 1976, excuse me, so this is like a year after the death of Onybilaj Muhammad, who passed in 1975. So this is what he's telling them and this is the reason why he ends up forming the Balalian group from out of the Nation of Islam. Because he was still in talks with Muhammad Abdullah, known as Maserat Muhammad. In 1974, wd had appointed Muhammad Abdullah as Imam of Muhammad Mas 77, where In Oakland, california, the November 26, 1976 issue of the Nation Islam Journal, balalian News reports Mohammed Abdullah's first kukba at the mosque and shows a photo Balalian News, november 26, 1976, pdf. Pdf.
Speaker 3:
Wd. Muhammad did not state that Muhammad Abdullah was Farad until after Abdullah's death in 1992. So he was still protecting the identity also of Muhammad Abdullah, known as Masrafar Muhammad, until his death in 1992. And Abdullah himself never publicly claimed to be Farad. Why would he? Muhammad Abdullah himself denied that he was Farad, saying it's all right to say that I'm Farad, muhammad for Wallace or Wafdine Muhammad. I taught him some lessons, but I'm not the same person who taught Elijah Muhammad and I'm not God. However, in 1981, a Pakistani scholar, zi Alsari, researched Farad's life and claimed that Farad was identical with Muhammad Abdullah, a Pakistani Ahmadiyya. Now the Ahmadiyya was what Elijah Muhammad was known. He was a member of the set before he got with Prophet Nobujali and the Moral Science Temple of America in 1928. And he was also and also Maserat Muhammad was a member of the Ahmadiyya Muslims also at one time during that time period in the 1920s. Well, so was. According to most reports, so was Nobu Durali.
Speaker 3:
So, yeah, so here it says, who have been an advisor of Elijah Muhammad since the late 1950s. Same Pakistani all right, zi Azari said that Maserat Muhammad and Muhammad Abdullah was one in the same, and he would know because he was the advisor of Elijah Muhammad since the late 1950s and who was the tutor of the son and eventually successor of Wafdine Mohammed.
Speaker 2:
So that whole story about the mothership, harad being the mothership, is all I'm saying because for some reason I'm noticing like I'm at a loss for words, bro, me too, because I'm noticing a lot of these groups. They always refer to that mothership, like you had you know mothership coming down with the missiles and everything. Then you had the Nuapians talking that same thing with the planet. Where does that vision come from, man?
Speaker 3:
I know, ezekiel. I mean that is real, that is real stuff, real information. However, the interpretation of it becomes comical, but because it's a person's interpretation. But there are UFOs or UAPs, which now, of course, the United States verify that. If you watch all last summer, they verify that there are UFPs or UFOs on which that do exist. So we can't laugh at the Nation of Islam or even at the Nuwapians. They do exist. However, are they being manned by aliens? And where do these UAPs come from? Are they being manufactured by Raytheon, which is a missile company, or some other type of company that would be black market, under the sheets, under the wrap, as they would say? Or is it being produced actually by, as they would say, or is it being produced actually by beings in which that are off world?
Speaker 3:
Now, I've seen both aspects in operation. I've seen a UFO, as we would say, in which that decloaked itself right in front of me, all right. I've seen UFOs in which that hovered over top of my head when I was nine years old, as I spoke about the last time on the show, only 100 to 150 yards over top of my head. So they exist, there's no doubt about it. Now, who? Who mans them. That's another. That's another story.
Speaker 3:
Elijah Muhammad says we do and I am definitely, I'm convinced that that that is the case. You know that we have interdimensional beings in which that can utilize those types of ships and they are able to travel at tremendous speeds we talk about twenty four thousand miles, you know and make left and right turns, 90 degree angle turns, with no problem, you know. And then we have those who, such as Raytheon and different other missile companies or whatever we want to refer to them, as I say, black market companies. What they do is because my son used to work for Raytheon and he had to have a very high clearance and he told me this he said, dad, I'm not the one who, I'm not 007.
Speaker 3:
He said, but I'm the one who make the gadgets for 007. All right, so I know that they're doing things in which they should not be doing. And, matter of fact, he ended up quitting Raytheon because he said, you know him, as a so-called black man, was not going to go and kill brown people and allow for his you know his ingenious to do that to people of color around the world. So he ended up quitting, you know, a few years ago. Ended up quitting you know a few years ago, but he was there for several years, given his knowledge, you know, for they can make these type of weapons.
Speaker 2:
Got you.
Speaker 3:
You know and as we know, according to what was called I think it was last year, the year before last when they did the UFO and UAP conference before Congress, they stated that the United States was actually had some crafts in which that crashed and which that they was doing re-engineering on.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I heard about that.
Speaker 3:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
From Roswell and the Germans. They got that german engineering.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, the reverse engineering right, they're doing reverse engineering, so so that's what we have. We have some that are reverse engineering engineered, and then we have some that are actual, um, that are actual, yeah, okay now, great, great explanation.
Speaker 1:
You broke it all the way down. I'm. I hope you, brothers and sisters, uh look through this video from the start to now. Now, uh, being that you're the prince of washita ding dong, the monia, I don't know if I'm pronouncing it correctly yeah, now that you're the prince of this nation, and what's the mission or how is this organization moving forward? How is this nation moving forward, what's new with the nation? And also, is there any way that this nation can join hands with the Moorish, the MST of a?
Speaker 3:
yes, yes, no doubt about it. Okay, all right, so I'm the crown Prince of United Washington. Deduct the money, which is the first nation state of the empire. Washington. Deduct the money which was accepted by the Empress herself, which is the First Nation state of the Empire. Waxhaw D, dr Manya, which was accepted by the Empress herself in 2004, and her son, king Joe, during that same time period.
Speaker 3:
And our mission is to uplift fallen humanity. It's never changed. This is once again the same family. So these are just different methods of the same strategy to get our people together, and it's to uplift fallen humanity. That has never changed. So we always need nationality, because nationality is the call of the day. So that means that you have to make a distinction between the name in which that they have for you on that birth certificate, which is known as your slave name or birth name or government name, and you have to come with an indigenous appellation, something in which that give you a distinction from that fraud in which that they did to you at birth, you know. So nationality is still the call of the day and that is one of the um purpose of united washita. Washita is to help to rectify that fraud in which that took place um at birth okay and I mean is this nation growing or is it?
Speaker 1:
is it? I mean, what's? What's the population like? If you can give that information, Well, it's over 5000.
Speaker 3:
We just united Washington and then, of course, there's thousands or more which the empress had over 20000 when she was here. So we're talking about, according to the United Nations. They said that we only need 10,000 on a petition in order to be seen as a bona fide nation within a so-called nation, which of course we know is a corporation, but we ourselves would be able to govern ourselves as a actual nation. We already historically been recognized by Spain, by France, as well as also the United States, regardless of what they might say, because I have proof of the fact is that when the heirs of Turner versus the United States and the heirs won against the United States, that was proof in itself, because we beat them within their own court system.
Speaker 2:
Understood. So you still go through the process. You still have to go through the process of being recognized.
Speaker 3:
Well, well, well, put it this way, the Albion don't want to let anything go, all right, so it is always going to be a challenge for us to move beyond the various gatekeepers at each of the crossroads.
Speaker 2:
I got you. I respect that. I got that.
Speaker 1:
Okay, now, being that the Ouachita Nation and the Moorish Science Temple of America have very different ways of functioning as a, I would say, legal body. Yes, how can we still join hands, or join forces in a sense?
Speaker 3:
Under the principles is that we still follow the teachings of Prophet Noah. We have the exact same teachings, the 101s or, as they say, the 102s, the Moorish literature. We still read those. We still also read, of course, the Holy Quran, circle 7, which is one of the books in which we all recommend as entrance into Washington.
Speaker 1:
Wow, that's very, very interesting.
Speaker 3:
The outreach of United Ouachita is the Moorish Holy Temple of the Signs of the World, which is the official name given by Prophet Noah Jirali. The corporate name became Morish Science Temple of America. The civic name was the Morish Science Temple, you know, but the official name was always the Morish Holy Temple of Science of the World. And if you get any of the members back in 1926, 27, 28, before the change was made, you would, you would hear them say more holy temple, signs of the world.
Speaker 2:
Got you.
Speaker 3:
So we studied the exact same information that the Morish Science Temple of America does. He said we're just probably more so of a civic national, but remember, this is known as the divine, the Morish divine national movement. Or, as Prophet Noble Jalilinam used to say, this is the Morish national and divine movement. Is the Moorish national and divine movement Right? So it was always national, always dealing with nationality, always dealing with civics and law. The other aspect was the religion, which was talking about what Divine, the divine Right Religion, you know. So we incorporate both aspects. However, we teach our people the civic side as well all right, that's peace, man, that's deep.
Speaker 2:
You got any questions, mike. Now I was saying if you could come back, I like to. You know we always ask more. Is this question about that whole, uh, nationality process, as you can see, question about that whole nationality process, as you can see people selling nationality packets and whatsoever, but I had yet to see somebody show and prove. Is that possible? Can you give us a briefing on that, because you know a lot of brothers be online. I did this, I did that. Then you ask them to show and prove. Well, you know, I went to court the other day and I got this.
Speaker 3:
I did that, then you actually show and prove.
Speaker 2:
Well, you know, I went to court the other day and uh right right, right. You know I gotta right right. Yeah, I want to.
Speaker 1:
I want to see how true it is all right, sounds good, yes well, my question is, like, if we're all on the same page, right, I think that us getting what we deserve uh would be easier to get because we're all on the same page. We're moving, uh, you know, toward the same goals, uh, and as far as, like, um, uh, business, economics, uh, social issues, um, you know, I think that um being on the same page, unifying, would get us what we, what we deserve, what we need, as opposed to, kind of like, asking for reparations that will be hard to and.
Speaker 3:
Cullets. So you're right, that's just what it is, because Negro, blacks and Cullets would possibly attempt to overturn the government and the government even according to the Constitution, they're not giving funds to those in which they would attempt to do so. So we have to come into a humble capacity in order for that to occur. Indeed, you know, prophet Nobid Ali said that he would leave the European here long enough in order to show us, in a government, how to do government. So this is the point now of doing government. Yes, we have to come together in all shape, forms and fashion, by any means necessary in order to accomplish a real goal, which would be reparations gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 1:
I mean the next time you come on I want to talk about. There's so many directions. I can go with this as far as herbs and healing and like we could go, but I want to talk about the uf, so ufos, because I don't believe in ufos at all I think it's okay.
Speaker 3:
Nah, I don't run one you haven't had that experience so you can't speak on it. So yes, I understand yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:
So I want to, I want to, you know, build on that at some point.
Speaker 2:
Eventually, you hold a pale horse. You're going to start off. I read that that's a good book. There's a book that was written by a European brother. It's called Moors, masons and Aliens.
Speaker 3:
Aliens. Yeah, that's Smith.
Speaker 2:
Smith, yeah, I had that book on my Kindle. I have yet to crack it open yet, but I'm going to. I'm going to check it out. Have you read it? Mason's?
Speaker 3:
Yes, I did. And part two it's good. Part one is better to me than part two. Yes, part two. He ended up getting a little bit too complicated when it wasn't necessary.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, sometimes they tend to do that, sometimes they go way above their hand, but definitely, man.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, but his name is Richard Smith.
Speaker 2:
Richard Smith, yeah.
Speaker 3:
Or Rick Smith.
Speaker 1:
That's an interesting combination right there. Yeah, he said Morris Masons and.
Speaker 2:
Aliens.
Speaker 1:
That's interesting. Right there Now. I got to read that. Yeah, there Now.
Speaker 3:
I got to read that.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, man.
Speaker 3:
Of course I got my book out too.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, man, what's up what you got man? Stargate, Stargate. Where can we find this brother?
Speaker 3:
Origin.
Speaker 1:
That's your book, right there, can I see. Let me see oh wow, that's your book. Right there, can I see. Let me see oh wow, that's a very genius book. That's a thick book, man 500 pages.
Speaker 2:
Bad, I'm going to look for that man. It's on your website, right?
Speaker 3:
Yes, it is.
Speaker 1:
Well, thank you for coming out this evening. We really appreciate you. Dr Alim Bey, he came with the rules. He showed and proved. You see his website right here wwwdralimelbeycom. Check him out, Check out his website and we are back on, I think, Sunday. I think we have an interview Sunday and we have an interview Monday, Tuesday, Yo we both stayed in Yo. Peace to everybody who joined in on the chat. Really appreciate y'all. Peace to the viewers Comment.
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