Revealing the Legacy of Master Fard Muhammad and the Origins of the Nation of Islam with Brother Minister Eric Muhammad

Unlock the secrets of the Nation of Islam's foundational teachings with our special guest, Brother Minister Eric Muhammad from Muhammad's Temple No. 15. Discover the profound influence of Master Farad Muhammad, revered as Almighty God Allah in person, and the pivotal role he played in guiding the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad. We'll unpack the myths and truths about Master Farad Muhammad’s background, his mission, and the supreme wisdom lessons that continue to inspire generations.

Join us as we trace the origins and rapid growth of the Nation of Islam during the Great Depression, a time marked by extreme poverty for Black Americans. We clarify misconceptions about Master Farad Muhammad’s early interactions with the community and discuss the logistical hurdles faced in establishing new temples. Our discussion further explores the crucial communication between Master Farad Muhammad and Elijah Muhammad, alongside the challenges Elijah Muhammad faced in rebuilding the Nation after Master Farad Muhammad’s departure.

Personal stories from Eric Muhammad and Mike add depth to our understanding of the Nation of Islam's cultural impact, including insights into dietary practices, military training for the Fruit of Islam, and the essential literature for members. We spotlight the economic strategies promoted by the Nation of Islam, emphasizing self-reliance, thriftiness, and the importance of land acquisition to foster economic independence. Tune in for a comprehensive exploration of the principles and practices that define the Nation of Islam, offering both historical context and contemporary relevance.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

What's going on? Everybody is Ron Brown, lmt, the people's fitness professional, my co-host, mike I don't know where he is. He may jump in, I don't know. Today is a day he's not used to getting on, you know. But you know we'll see. Hold on one second. He says he'll be on a little later, so you'll see him a little later. Be on a little later, so you'll see him a little later. So, anyway, we got the brother Minister, eric Muhammad, of Muhammad's Temple, number 15, in the building today. Hold on one second. Sound effects. We need those. All right, you know.

Speaker 1: 0:41

Thanks for coming out this evening, sunday evening. I really appreciate this, brother, really appreciate this. Um, just want to let you know the purpose of this show is to be a black media. You know, that's the. That's the bottom line of this. This is a a black media quote unquote podcast that is dedicated to bringing brothers and sisters together from all walks of life and all nations, be it Nation of Islam, the 5% Nation, moorish, science, etc. And that's what this thing is all about. That's why you see Moors on this platform, you saw 5%ers on this platform and today, with Eric Muhammad, we have the nation of islam. So, brother eric, uh, how do you feel this evening?

Speaker 2: 1:29

fine. So our praise is due to allah for the most honorable elijah muhammad that's peace, that's peace.

Speaker 1: 1:35

So I want to go into um. So the title is, you know, uh, the nation of islam basics, which you should know about the noa. Ok, now the first the podcast we did prior it was, you know, we spoke about a lot of different things about the history and historical events that happened with the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, the nation in general throughout history, and if brothers want to check that one out, I'll repost it in the community. So now we've got some stuff figured out there on that one. But today I want to talk about the basics, right? So who is WD Farad or Master Farad Muhammad? And who is first? Let's start off is WD Farad or Master Farad Muhammad?

Speaker 2: 2:28

And who is first. Let's start off with WD Farad. Excellent question, master Farad Muhammad is Almighty God. Allah in person. Now, the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us that when we say Allah, that when we say Allah, who is the we? When we, the nation of Islam, say Allah, we mean all of us. Every righteous person is a God. That would exclude the white race. No white man is righteous. So every righteous person, meaning members of the original nation, is a God. He also teaches us that every time you look at a Black man, you are looking at God. However, there is always one of us who is supreme over all of us in terms of his knowledge, his wisdom, his understanding and therefore his power. That one today is none other than Master Wallace Farad Muhammad. So teaches the most honorable Elijah Muhammad.

Speaker 1: 3:42

OK, OK. So if you can give me a brief history of Master Farad Muhammad, you know, you know, if you could break that down, that'll be peace.

Speaker 2: 3:56

Master Farad Muhammad was born on February the 26th 1877, in fulfillment of what the original scientists wrote of his coming. On February the 26th 1877, he was born. And he was born of a black father but of a white mother, but of a white mother. The scripture teaches us that when he, god Allah, would come, that he would come in the likeness of sinful flesh to condemn sin in the flesh. Likeness of sinful flesh means he would come looking something like a white man. But the whole reason he would come looking something like a white man is because he had to be made of both people, black and white, because he would be the individual who would destroy the white man, remove the white man as a population from our planet. So he had to have the compassion and love that is part of our nature and he had to have some of that warlike nature of the white race because he came to remove the white race as a people on our planet Earth. He spent 42 years the messenger teaches us, studying in order to meet him, the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad, and teach Savior's Day 1973, that when he was born his father would take him and he would go looking for bits of wisdom from great wise individuals and he would pay high sums of money to get certain bits of wisdom from them. He also teaches us that Master Farad Muhammad came to us in the wilderness of North America in 1910, but he didn't announce himself. He didn't make himself known until 1930. So for those 20 years he was in and out of the country and on July, the 4th, 1930, he made his presence among us known and he began to teach us the knowledge of self. He taught us the knowledge of God, he taught us the knowledge of the devil, he taught us the knowledge of ourselves and he taught us the knowledge of others. It was the first time in 66 trillion years that the knowledge of the person and the reality of God had been taught in the public. God had been taught in the public. So we've been given a pretty large gift in the person of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad as a teacher from Master Farad Muhammad. He remained among us after his coming, or he came. He made his presence known July 1930. He left sometime if I remember correctly, in the late spring of 1934.

Speaker 2: 7:36

He spent three years and four months, night and day, preparing the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad to be his representative to us. This is where you get your supreme lessons from. The supreme wisdom lessons are a quiz, a verbal quiz of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad, given to him by Master Farad Muhammad based on the three years and four months of night and day teaching of him. So he would ask him questions and the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad answered those questions and we were told those of us who are students of the supreme wisdom to learn by heart and recite the answers of messenger Elijah Muhammad.

Speaker 2: 8:30

So when you see the question in lost found Muslim, lesson number one, why doesn't the devil or why isn't the devil settled on the best part of the planet Earth?

Speaker 2: 8:41

That's a question Master Farad Muhammad in particular is asking Elijah Muhammad in particular, and the messenger answers that question and the other 13 questions and they became the one, the 14, or better known as Lost Found Muslim Lesson Number One. You also have English Lesson C1 and Lost Found Muslim Lesson Number Two, making up the 120 Supreme Wisdom Lessons Master Farad Muhammad taught the messenger for three years and four months and then at the end of that, if you notice, on the lesson number two, the one to 40, it says first term examination of Mr Elijah Muhammad. All students should learn by heart and recite these answers. So this is where you have the questions and the answers in the supreme wisdom lessons. And after he tested his messenger and he passed the test, he went away from us and he was to remain away from us for a certain time, and that time represents the time when the most honorable Elijah Muhammad said he would win everything to himself. That's a basic short description of who master Farad Muhammad is.

Speaker 1: 10:17

We can get into details with more questions okay, now, um, of course course, this is like the million dollar question for Master Farah Muhammad. So his mom, you said, was white and his dad you said was black.

Speaker 1: 10:36

What ethnicity or what nationality I would say was his dad and what nationality was his mom? So was his mom from I don't know Germany was his dad and what nationality was his mom? So was his mom from I don't know Germany. Was his dad from the Caribbean? Was he from you know? I don't know his. I don't know his parents. History.

Speaker 2: 11:05

As far as his mother is concerned, I know of no teaching from the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad that identifies the specific country that she was indeed from. All we were taught was that his father went up into the hills and found himself a wife. I know the messenger said you know he could go into more of what the hills were or where the hills were, he said, but he had to make sure that those in the hills were okay with him letting that be known. As far as his father, I know of no teaching of the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad that says he was from this city in Saudi Arabia or whatever.

Speaker 2: 11:46

What we do know is Master Farad Muhammad is from the family of scientists and he is from a father who was one of the 12 major scientists. They passed the knowledge down of who Allah actually is. The very person of Allah has been kept a secret among those 12 men for 66 trillion years, and so we know any teaching of the most honorable body lying to Muhammad, like Yaqub, you know Yaqub was born 20 miles outside of the holy city, Mecca. We don't have a teaching that tells us Master Farad Muhammad was born five miles outside, or 10 miles or 15 miles outside. We don't have a teaching like that that I am aware of.

Speaker 1: 12:43

Okay, okay, good answer. Teaching like that that I am aware of, okay, okay, good answer now, uh, let's go into um elijah muhammad's history, most honorable by his history, um, where was he born? Um, and how did he meet wd ferrari?

Speaker 2: 13:02

the most honorable elijah muhammad was born in the month of October. This teaching that he was born on the 7th we reject because the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad said himself he didn't know what day in October he was born. He said all he knows is every time October passes he's another year old. So he was born in October 1897, sandersville, georgia. He lived in Georgia until he was approximately 23 years old and he moved to Detroit.

Speaker 2: 13:42

He succumbed to the mental death that all of us have found ourselves in and his description of his condition was that he was so far down in the mud meaning the mud of the white man civilization he was so far down in the mud that he only had one eyeball sticking out. Now this doesn't mean the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad was in physical mud covered with his whole body, just an eye sticking out. He was describing his mental condition, the degree of his mental depth, and he said that, or we were taught that. It was his wife, really Sister Clara Muhammad, that saw Master Farad Muhammad and was exposed to his teaching at first, and then she got her husband to come and to hear Master Farad Muhammad Teed.

Speaker 2: 14:47

Now there is an interview I don't know exactly how to describe the particular site where he can find it, but there's an interview where the messenger says that when he first heard Master Farad Muhammad, something inside of him told him who Master Farad Muhammad was. Now, I don't mean anything. I'm simply saying you know, we have instinct. You can meet a certain person and your instinct will tell you that this person is not someone you want to deal with. You can meet a certain person and you have an instinct that this is a person you want to deal with. You can meet a certain person and you have an instinct that this is a person you want to get close with. When he met Master Farad Muhammad, he instinctively knew that Master Farad Muhammad was the man who the prophets predicted would come. And he told Master Farad Muhammad, I know who you are. You're the one the world has been waiting for for the past 2000 years. And Master Farad Muhammad, he said, got a stern look on his face and he told him. He said, yes, you know that, but who else knows that? And he told him to keep quiet about that.

Speaker 2: 16:01

He asked the most honorable Elijah Muhammad not necessarily that particular meeting, but he asked the Most Honorable Ilai Jumuhamed not to teach too much about him while he was among us. Wait until he's gone and then he can reveal his true identity. So once Master Farad Muhammad departed from among us, that's when the Most Honorable Ilai Lion King Muhammad, began to teach that Master Farad Muhammad is not a prophet Because we called him Prophet Farad. He said no, he's not a prophet, he's Allah, god in person. He is the second coming of Jesus. He is the exalted Christ.

Speaker 1: 16:42

Got you Okay. Now he moved to Detroit, met wd farad, and how? How did it all start as far as the nation of islam is concerned?

Speaker 2: 16:56

as far as you know, I'm glad you asked that question as well. Much to my displeasure, while going on my Facebook page, I noticed that there was a post from a hater of the Nation of Islam, a former member I have to say a former member, a former member of the Nation of Gods and Earth, who has turned hypocrite, in my view, no longer subscribes to the supreme wisdom that we were given and made a post, the supreme wisdom that we were given and he made a post, and in that post, this is what I sent you in that text message. In that post, he mentioned this apparently Sunni Muslim named Bilal Muhammad, and this apparently Sunni Muslim named Bilal Muhammad, who is an educated Negro of the white man, calls himself revealing the true history of Master Farad.

Speaker 3: 18:55

Muhammad.

Speaker 2: 18:57

Master Farad Muhammad was not a silk peddler. That's not how the nation of Islam got started him running around knocking on doors selling silk. Nobody had enough money to buy cotton. How in the hell was we going to buy silk? I mean this is absolutely ridiculous. It's like we don't even think about. The things that people shovel to us and tell us is the truth. Black people were so poor. This was in the era of the Depression. Black people were so poor. This was in the era of the depression. Black people were so poor in the hood in Detroit I mean, it was called Black Bottom Nobody had any money.

Speaker 2: 19:33

The messenger teaches when we wanted to do something for Master Farad Muhammad, we would give him tithes and handkerchiefs and whatever. Because we didn't have any money. How in the world were we gonna buy silk? It's ridiculous. Who sells silk to Negroes who are so poor they can hardly pay attention?

Speaker 2: 19:51

Master Farad Muhammad took measurements for tailor-made suits and if any smart aleck is saying "'Well, we couldn't afford suits either', he didn't sell no suits. He took measurements. If I come to your house and I knock on your door and I say I'm taking measurements for tailor-made suits, I'm just using that to get in the door. I'm not actually selling you anything, you anything. That's just a way to get a conversation started. He would get conversations started by using the bait. He just wanted to take our physical measurements for some clothes, and when he would speak to us about the knowledge of self, we would become interested and he would spend time teaching us and tell us to invite other people to come and hear the same, and so there would be meetings in home. Well, that got too big. Then they started renting halls. That got too big, and so he would have to teach in shifts at these particular halls. Certain amount. Come, teach them, get them out. Bring another group in, teach them, get them out, bring another group in. It got so big that, over the course of the years he was teaching, he gave out 25,000 holy and righteous names. Wow, yes, 25 000 received their original names from master farad muhammad. When you write a letter now you get an x, but when you wrote your letter then you got your name because the man who was giving names was pregnant. So you wasn't. You weren't going to get an X in lieu of master Farad Muhammad giving you a name when he was right there to just give it to you. So you, you, you had all kinds of holy and righteous that were given at that particular time. You had all kinds of holy and righteous news that were given at that particular time.

Speaker 2: 22:07

Master Farad Muhammad was harassed by law enforcement. He was arrested several times. He eventually was ordered out of Detroit for his teaching of the black man against the white man. He was ordered out of Detroit and went to Chicago and messenger Elijah Muhammad said he was locked up soon as he hit Chicago. But each time the messenger said that he was arrested and jailed, he would call for the most honorable Elijah Muhammad to come and get him, because he was training his messenger what it was going to be like for him to represent him in his absence, not physically present among us, but he was backing his messenger the whole time and he was in frequent communication with the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad during those 40 years. That's something that we don't realize. We seem to believe that Master Farad Muhammad just got ghost and that was it. Nobody ever heard from him again. The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad was in communication with Master Farad Muhammad several times throughout that 40 years of Master Farad Muhammad's absence.

Speaker 1: 23:43

Wow, all right, there's so many. I just did a podcast with Brother Dr Alim Bey from the Ouachita Ding Dong Dimanya Nation and he said that Wallace Dean Muhammad was saying that he was in communication with WD Farad as well.

Speaker 2: 24:04

That's not true. Okay, wallace D Muhammad said it. That is true, but he was never in communication with Master Farad Muhammad. You know the Holy Quran, brother, teaches us when an unrighteous man brings you news and I can't think of a more unrighteous man than Wallace D Muhammad when an unrighteous man brings you news, look carefully into it. Looking carefully into what Wallace Dean Muhammad said. On most occasions you will turn out or you will find out that he was lying. Wallace Dean Muhammad was a notorious liar, lying. Wallace Dean Muhammad was a notorious liar. Wallace Dean Muhammad is the one who flipped Malcolm against the messenger and then, when everything blew up, he denied that. He even told Malcolm what. He told Malcolm to put the battery in Malcolm's back. That ended up with Malcolm being assassinated.

Speaker 1: 25:05

Gotcha, okay, okay. So I got to rewind back to now 25,000 members From that point of having 25,000 members after going from hall to hall to hall. What was the next step from there? Was it now I'm going to go get a piece of property? I'm going to collect dues? How did that come about?

Speaker 2: 25:37

During the first temple, yeah, in Detroit, michigan. I do not know the address of it, certainly there was no building with 25,000 members in it. He set up Muhammad's Temple no 1 in Detroit, michigan. When he was ordered out of Detroit, he established Temple no 2 in Chicago, illinois. We also know that before he left there was a temple in Milwaukee, wisconsin. I don't know if the temple in Washington had been established yet.

Speaker 2: 26:19

I'm not the world's greatest historian. I know there were at least three, probably four, temples at the time of Master Farad Muhammad's departure and when he departed, the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad assumed the leadership of the Nation of Islam. Master Farad Muhammad told the leadership not the leadership, but the membership of the Nation of Islam that Elijah Muhammad was his choice. Unfortunately, when Master Farad Muhammad departed, he had an outbreak of hypocrisy and the temples who had thousands of members went down to almost nothing, and the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad ended up having to rebuild almost from scratch not entirely, but almost from scratch because they didn't want to accept his leadership. The Most Honorable Ilai Muhammad was not deemed as the most eloquent among them. You know all of the things that make a personality worshippers. The Most Honorable Ilai Muhammad didn't have enough of those qualities that people worship in someone's personality that would make them accept him as the leader.

Speaker 2: 27:52

And so they chased him up and down the East Coast. He could never stay in one place for any longer than two weeks and he would use aliases. He couldn't you know, he couldn't go everywhere saying Elijah Muhammad. He used all kinds of aliases and he would bounce pardon my slang from place to place to place. And during that seven years, that is when he completed his assignment of reading the 104 books that Master Farad Muhammad gave him to read, and most of them were in the Library of Congress in Washington DC.

Speaker 2: 28:35

Now, during those seven years, the temples weren't making a lot of progress. After those seven years, america goes to war and they lock the most honorable Elijah Muhammad up for about five years. So he gets out in 1946, if I remember correctly, and that's when the real building of the Nation of Islam begins. The real building of the nation of Islam begins now that the messenger no longer has to run from place to place and he's no longer in prison. And from 1946 until the mid to late 1950s, you saw an explosion in the growth of the nation of islam in the 1940s, okay, okay.

Speaker 1: 29:34

Now, how were the after the 1940s? How was the nation of islam, nation of islam, able to maintain its influence in the black community? Even at right now, to this day, 2024? The nation of islam is definitely, uh a a nation in our, our community, where everyone looks to, you know, to stop conflict, security or even ask questions or go to for some insight. How are the nation of islam, how is the nation of islam, able to maintain its influence in the black community?

Speaker 2: 30:19

we are righteous people by nature and so the truth appeals to us. It's just natural for us to gravitate towards the truth and a people who have suffered what we have suffered. You would automatically or you would naturally expect them to attract to a message of upliftment, like the message of the Nation of Islam. Now, like the message of the Nation of Islam. Now I will say this it is a very unfortunate reality that the overwhelming majority of us don't know the Nation of Islam. To us, anybody and everybody in a suit and a bow tie, anybody and everybody in the empire, is the nation of Islam, and so there's a lot of influence that is considered nation of Islam. Influence Some of it good, some of it not so good. That's not really the nation of Islam.

Speaker 2: 31:23

The nation of Islam is the doctrine and practice of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. If the most honorable Elijah Muhammad didn't teach it, it's not the nation of Islam. If the most honorable Elijah Muhammad didn't institute it as a practice, it's not the nation of Islam. Now, if you like somebody who's calling themselves the nation of Islam and you appreciate all the good that they have done from your perspective or whatever, that's fine. We're not losing any sleep over that. We're not playing about that.

Speaker 2: 31:59

But that's not the nation of Islam. And those of us who are followers of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad, who is the only leader of the nation of Islam, honorable Elijah Muhammad, who is the only leader of the Nation of Islam, we make it very, very clear that Elijah Muhammad I don't care whether he's dead or alive, I don't care whether he's here or not here Elijah Muhammad remains the leader of the Nation of Islam, the real Nation of Islam. My brother is very, very small and seemingly insignificant Seemingly but the real Nation of Islam has given the fake Nations of Islam a run for their money. Got you is giving the fake nations of Islam a run for their money.

Speaker 1: 32:49

Gotcha Now with the Nation of Islam. Throughout the years I was born in 1980, right. So what I saw from 1980 and through the 90s? Well, of course, when I was in the 80s I was a baby. Basically, in the 90s, what I saw in reference to the Nation of Islam was Minister Farrakhan's demonstration, as well as also theckeries of the Nation of Islam took the significance away from the Nation of Islam to the public, would you say. The Nation of Islam isn't taken as serious as it should be because of the parodies and the mockeries.

Speaker 2: 33:48

You have three types of people believers, disbelievers and hypocrites. Those who are disbelievers and hypocrites? I'll give you a verse from the Quran. The Quran teaches that when Allah desires to guide a people, he expands their breast for Islam, and when he desires to lead them in error, he makes it straight and narrow, as if they were ascending upwards. There are those who lean away from the truth and there are those who have a leaning towards the truth, those who have a diseased heart. Yes, those parodies would definitely serve the purpose of declining the respect for the nation of Islam, but if your heart is not diseased, then you don't become influenced by those parodies.

Speaker 2: 34:56

The bottom line is the truth is the truth, and you either accept it or you reject it. Now I will also say this Any publicity is good publicity. Any publicity is good publicity. Any publicity is good publicity, and that's why we are told the story of the donkey in the ditch. And you had people who would mock the donkey that was in the ditch, throwing stone at the donkey in the ditch. Well, they threw so many stones that it filled up the ditch and the donkey was able to walk up out of the ditch, and so that's where the term every knock is a boost comes from. So, for those of us who don't have a diseased heart, those parodies, they simply bring us closer to the nation of islam yes, sir, yes, sir, um.

Speaker 1: 35:50

The nation. Seeing that malcolm and um and uh fight the power, you know, public enemy, all those things, uh, all those images kept me on a straight and hour path of righteousness. Hence the reason why I'm here doing this right now. I've been righteous for a long, long long time and I was influenced by that era.

Speaker 3: 36:16

That's peace.

Speaker 1: 36:18

And I think you too, right Mike.

Speaker 3: 36:20

Exactly. Peace brother. Eric Mohammed, how you doing? Can I have a question to ask man Something from years ago? Are you still following that strict diet of fasting and having just navy beans and one cup of milk?

Speaker 2: 36:33

No, I was never on a diet of only navy beans and a cup of milk. No, OK. I eat a lot of things. I just only eat them once every three days.

Speaker 3: 36:46

All right, yeah, that's what.

Speaker 2: 36:47

I, yes, I am still on that diet. In fact, I haven't eaten since Thursday, Wow. So today is the day where pardon my expression- but it's going down.

Speaker 3: 37:01

Now, respect, I've seen that you did an interview about that. That's powerful, because I was following a diet like that, where I eat once a day. I was telling you about that round. Yeah, bro, right, I eat once a day. Like I eat once a day, I may skip a day and just have one meal. Yeah, and that's it. It's less taxing on the body, you know? Absolutely, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 37:31

So I got it to for the from the being from the 5% nation into fasting for three days and uh, you know I do it from time to time. And uh, just recently I fasted for three days and I think I'm gonna fast again this month. However, I wanted to. That was a good question, might be. Ah man, I didn't want to go there yet, though, oh man, come on, you're getting ahead. You're getting ahead of it.

Speaker 3: 37:48

I wanted to wait for like it just happens like that.

Speaker 1: 37:52

Don't have me going on a diet thing because I'll go too far with that. But let's go to the questions. How does the NOI function originally? How?

Speaker 2: 38:03

do. You would be exposed to the teaching of Master Farad Muhammad through the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad, and at the end of the meeting, you will be asked the question how many of you believe what you heard was good and true and will help Black people? Raise your hand. How many of you believe that what you heard was not good or true and will not help Black people? Raise your hand, all right.

Speaker 2: 38:40

So now, after raising your hand and confessing that you believe what you heard was good, you said you believed it was true and you said you believed it would help Black people. Then you would be asked the question well, how many of you would be willing to join on to your own kind and become a member of your own nation? And if you accept it, then you would be given a savior's letter, a letter that you would write to Master Farad Muhammad In his absence. You would write that letter to him, but you would write it in care of the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad. And if you wrote that letter according to the instructions and it passed examination, then you began what is called processing and you would be sent certain material and at the end of that process, you would recite the one to 10 called student enrollment.

Speaker 2: 39:49

And you would recite the actual facts, 10 called student enrollment, and you would recite the actual facts and you would have to recite them right and exact. And if you recited them right and exact to an individual and a witness that you decided it right and exact, then you would become what is called a registered member. You would be given an X to X out your slave master's name and an X symbolizing the unknown meaning. We don't know what characteristics are predominant in you that would make your name manifest. Then, from there on, let me, let me, let me add this Then, from there on, you would begin a process of military training, and that is absolutely and vitally necessary.

Speaker 2: 40:48

Teaching without training is church, and we are not trying to be in church, we're trying to get away from church. Teaching without training is church. Knowing the supreme wisdom and not having the military training of the men who belong to Islam in North America is not good. We must have FOI training and the one that you would get your teaching and training from is called lieutenant. What is the meaning of L-I-E-U-T period and C-A-P-T period, captain and lieutenant? The duty of the captain is to give orders to the lieutenant and the lieutenant's duty is to teach the private soldiers, also train them. Many of us are running around with the supreme wisdom. Never had a lieutenant, so how do you know what to do with it? Never had a lieutenant, you haven't been trained, and so FOI training is vitally necessary, because it is that training that gives us the knowledge of how to apply the supreme wisdom. You know, in the mathematics he says wisdom is the ways and actions that one uses to make his knowledge known. It's the ways and actions. Well, ways and actions come from training.

Speaker 1: 42:31

Now, can you give me an example of the training?

Speaker 2: 42:37

We're taught military drill, that's for certain. We're taught self-defense. We're taught various things with respect to health and hygiene. You know, I can't go into the detail of the training on this video, but I can tell you this those of us who are serious about Islam, our favorite day is FOI training day. You know the Sunday meeting and you getting all that teaching. We like that, Trust me, we like it. But our favorite day is the training. We like the training.

Speaker 3: 43:18

Oh man, Is it rigorous. I know it's very rigorous.

Speaker 2: 43:23

It can be very rigorous. It can be, yes, sir.

Speaker 3: 43:27

That's peace man. So I have a question right what particular literature is mandatory for members of the FOI or Nation Islam?

Speaker 2: 43:38

Message to the Black man Holy Quran, so-called Holy Bible, our Savior has Arrived. Fall of America. How to eat how to eat to live book two. Supreme wisdom book one.

Speaker 3: 43:54

Supreme wisdom book two how about theology of time? Is that is added to that as well?

Speaker 2: 44:01

oh no well, theology of time is a series of lectures. Now there has been a book actually there have been two books written called the Theology of Time, but it doesn't cover all of the Theology of Time. It's not like it's a transcript of every single lecture the messenger gave in 1972. The best way to learn what was taught in the theology of time is to actually listen to all of the lecture oh got you okay, okay, that was thorough.

Speaker 1: 44:41

Okay, let's go to the next question. Uh, well, you already, you already said that. Well, already said that, let's go with. What are the benefits of memorizing supreme wisdom? Being that supreme wisdom, memorizing supreme wisdom, is vitally important. I've done my own research as far as, like, how good it is for the brain, like just memory in general, and you know. But you know, I want to hear from you what's the importance of it.

Speaker 2: 45:14

Well, if I told you what the benefits of memorizing the lessons were, I would really be giving you my perspective on that. Like there's no canon, there's no nation of Islam teaching that says this is what happens when you memorize the lessons. What I can say is this the most basic from my perspective. Now, the most basic benefit from knowing the lessons is what if something happens and you know, being Black in white America, something can happen real quick. What if something happened and you locked up, you're not taking your book of life with you to prison and they're not going to be able to send you. Anybody is not going to be able to send you supreme wisdom and the devil's look at the supreme wisdom. You know tell us what and how the devil is made. So the devil is examining what you sent and you know the devil is made by grafting, you know by separating the germs, and he's sitting here reading you, talking about him, like the two-legged dog he happens to be. You're not getting that, so it's best to have it up here, got you?

Speaker 1: 46:37

All right, all right, that's understandable.

Speaker 2: 46:40

I understand it's etching to your memory, so you could just reteach that over and over again and read out your own, if ever you in that position Are.

Speaker 3: 46:51

Men and women are required to memorize the supreme wisdom.

Speaker 2: 47:10

That's an excellent question, Absolutely. The idea that some of us have that you don't necessarily have to memorize the entire 120 is absolutely insane. It literally says I mean, when you get your student enrollment, it says student enrollment rules of Islam. Student enrollment rules of Islam. The following question must be answered 100% before submitting of students to said lesson number one the typical average Muslim never gets past student enrollment in actual fact, never learns lesson number one. But the student enrollment tells them that it is a step that you have to complete in order to be submitted to said lesson number one. You're supposed to be submitted to said lesson number one after that. Now you have the English lesson C1 that doesn't have anything specifically said about itself. But then when you get to the 1 to 40, Lost Bound Muslim lesson number two, it says every student should learn and memorize until they can recite by heart these lessons. So it is absolutely amazing how many Muslims don't know their lessons. It's amazing we are supposed to know them.

Speaker 2: 48:28

And I would also add this when Wallace Dean Muhammad took over the nation of Islam, he got rid of all of that and he took us back to spook work. And he took us back to spook work, and I'm not saying this to pander to the God, but truth is truth and right is right. If it had not been for the members of the 5% nation, that supreme wisdom would have been something of the past. Nobody was reciting, nobody was keeping the supreme wisdom alive like the gods was keeping it alive. Nobody was keeping the reality of God, the black man being God, the way the gods were keeping it alive. We threw it away and followed Wallace D Muhammad back into spook worship. And following Wallace D Muhammad back into spook worship, I can only say thank God somebody kept it all the way. 100. As far as the black man being God is concerned.

Speaker 1: 49:37

But as.

Speaker 2: 49:37

Muslims. Yes, we stress that you must know at this temple. We stress that you must know your at this temple.

Speaker 3: 49:45

We stress that you hear that Ron, ron, always saying that gotta be on my lessons, man, and you know, shout out to the 5%ers for real, because they do. They're very heavy about knowing your lessons because I remember there was a contrast between the 120 and supreme wisdom, like the language you know. Some language is different. I'm not going to get into that, I don't know. On this podcast.

Speaker 1: 50:06

I don't want to get into that yeah, certain languages are used. I mean eventually, but I want to get into this. This is a question are the lessons literal or allegorical?

Speaker 2: 50:20

allegorical that's a good one. That is a good one. That is a good one. The lessons are literal. I don't go for that crap about the lessons being allegorical. The lessons are literal, literal, and I defy anybody to demonstrate that they're not.

Speaker 3: 50:45

All right, please, I have one. What is the significance of the problem book?

Speaker 2: 50:55

The problem book represents mathematical problems, word problems that were given to us that the solving of teach us lessons about our condition and how to get up out of these conditions. That's what the whole problem book is about.

Speaker 1: 51:16

Now I don't know if you ever have you seen that book, mike, but the problems in that book, mike, I've seen it. The problems in that book, yeah.

Speaker 3: 51:27

Very complex. I've seen quite a few Different interpretation. There was a brother out in Philly who had his own. It's something called Fallen Angels. I Lost Fallen Angels, his version of the problem book, his interpretation. I don't want to say version, his interpretation, what he got from it, and I see a lot of people have their spin on it. But it's pretty deep man. It takes some time to really sit down and you got to really focus in. That's a brain worker man.

Speaker 1: 51:53

That's lifting weights with that one right there.

Speaker 3: 51:59

I always like the FOI and NOI. Something about that, outside of the militancy, it's like the discipline and how all the brothers are sharp. Even within the Nation of Gods and Earth. The brothers are very sharp in how they speak. They're concise, clear. They just don't accept things at face value. Right, I like that. You guys go to the core of any situation. It's all mathematical Peace to y'all for real.

Speaker 1: 52:24

You guys go to the core of any situation. It's all mathematical. So peace to y'all. For real, I want to go into what are the main books we should make sure we read. I think you covered that already.

Speaker 2: 52:35

Yes, we do.

Speaker 1: 52:39

Do you need me to mention them again? I mean, if you want to, I'm pretty clear on it.

Speaker 3: 52:44

Before you go forward, do you have any publications of your own that you have written that people go out there and look for?

Speaker 2: 52:49

I don't need to write any books. Nobody needs a book written by Minister Eric Mahoney. Why is that?

Speaker 1: 52:57

Because the book's already there.

Speaker 3: 52:58

Yeah, it's already there.

Speaker 1: 53:00

It's already completed, already, already.

Speaker 3: 53:02

Let me tell you, this Got you brother.

Speaker 2: 53:06

Let me tell you this about the books though those of us who have studied the supreme wisdom and we haven take it too serious. But this is how I would describe functionally, the necessity of reading the books. The supreme wisdom lessons are just that supreme wisdom lessons. The books, I would say, serve the purpose that plus degrees serve. So when you're reading Message to the Black man, you're reading a plus degree. When you read Our Savior has Arrived, fall of America, how to Eat to Live 1 and 2, supreme Wisdom 1 and 2. Even when you are reading the Holy Qur'an, you're reading a plus degree. Gotcha, but not as much the Qur'an, though I would say that the supreme wisdom lessons are the understanding of the Qur'an and the Bible, understanding of the Quran and the Bible. But the books written the Nation of Islam, books written by the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad, those are plus degrees quote unquote. And you know, plus degrees serve the purpose of bringing a superior understanding of the lessons right. That's what the books do.

Speaker 1: 54:43

Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Now I want to get into. Um, of course I don't want to. I don't want to ask too much because I want you to come up again. The whole purpose of bringing you on is to basically give people the nation of Islam, the way it's supposed to be taught. So you know, that was my whole purpose is. I watch you on Facebook for some for some time and I'm like, yeah, he has it. You know what I mean. So, um, I want to talk about the purpose of.

Speaker 1: 55:15

So I looked into, you know, different nations who are the most successful financially in America, right, and the top I would say three was, I think, indian, asian and then Jewish, and then it went Anglo-Saxon and then it went at the bottom, of course, so-called blacks and Hispanics. Now I looked at the Indian culture, the Asian culture, and I thought about it. I realized like the way they, their culture, is set up, is for them to save money, keep money and pass it on through generations. They even have arranged marriages and in the Indian culture and you know, their family structure is tight. So I wanted to know like the way the nation of Islam is set up as far as relationships is concerned, saving money for clothing, saving money on food, it's, it's a, I would say, a more effective culture for black people in America to get ahead socially and economically. Would you agree?

Speaker 2: 56:30

Oh, I absolutely agree. I absolutely agree. To put it in the somewhat slang term that I use when I'm teaching and training Muhammad will put a knot in your pocket. You know what a knot is? Of course, muhammad will put a knot in your pocket If you broke, you're not following the teachings of the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad. And if you're following the teachings of the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad and if you're following the teachings of the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad, you ain't got to be out here flossing. But trust me, you're not broke and anybody who thinks you broke don't know what the hell they're talking about. If you're a follower of the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad and you literally are following the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad, people may think you ain't got no money, you may not be balling, but you certainly ain't broke.

Speaker 1: 57:29

Now does it have anything to do? Like? So how is it like with clothes? Like the clothing, because I learned something a while back about thrifting from the Nation of Islam and you know, you know getting. We're not. You brothers and sisters are not trying to. You know getting, we're not. You brothers and sisters are not trying to. You know, wear the best, like the, what you call it the brands. All that type of stuff.

Speaker 3: 57:53

Yeah, it's just a waste of time. It's a waste of time and your money, because the manufacturing pays the workers that make the clothes less than a nickel a day and you're just paying the taxes on that clothes when it gets here to the US. So basically, you just got pimped. You're just paying for a name, somebody who doesn't even like you.

Speaker 2: 58:13

Bottom line. The most honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us to seek some of this earth that we can call our own. We need earth that we can call our own. We need earth. The most economic thing we can do is to get some of this earth. Once we have some of this earth, then we can grow the cotton and produce the mills to mill the cotton into cloth and then manufacture that cloth into the things that we need. We need some earth first, and once we get some earth, then we have all the materials that we need in order to furnish ourselves with clothing.

Speaker 2: 58:55

Now, in the meantime, like the brother talked about, we're taught to spend the least amount of money. In message to the Black man, a plus degree. We're taught to spend the least amount of money for clothes and shoes. It's amazing how many Muslims don't follow that. Spend the least amount of money for clothes and shoes. To see Muslims running around with fur coats and you know suits that cost several hundred dollars, alligator and lizard and whoever knows what kind of shoes that cost so and so much money. That's not the teaching of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad and we look ridiculous doing that type of thing when we have nothing as a nation of people. So we spend the least amount of money in clothes and shoes because we're not trying to impress anybody. If you look at the so-called Jew, you don't see them wearing all of these name brand clothes. If you look at their clothes, they're so plain. It's ridiculous. Who got more money than that Jew?

Speaker 2: 1:00:12

But he's not trying to impress anybody with how much money he has. He takes his money and spends his money on Israel, and that's what we've got to learn. We've got to learn to be I hate to say it, but be more like them. We got to spend money on nationhood. That's where we got to funnel all of our money. We need to do something for ourselves as a nation. Forget about individualism. We need to do something for ourselves as a nation. Until we are an independent nation of people like the other civilized nations of the earth, doing for ourselves the things that other people do for themselves, we don't have no money to be wasting on expensive clothes and shoes and things of that nature. All of that comments to us anyway, but we got to do the basics first yes, sir, yes sir.

Speaker 1: 1:01:10

Now the food also. I have a question from the chat uh, I'm gonna put that chat up, brother. Um ayb, more films before I do that. The question about the food, the way you know, like eating one meal a day, or eating one meal every three days, every two days, that also helps you save money as well. Was that right? So do you think that was was a? Was that intentionally put there for health and economic, economic reasons?

Speaker 2: 1:01:43

Was that intentionally put there? For health and economic reasons? Well, the eating of one meal a day and then one meal every other day and then eventually one meal every three days is for health, and health only. The economic savings is a collateral benefit is a collateral benefit. You also have to take into consideration that the more your stomach remains idle, the longer it will last, and the longer it lasts, the longer you will live, and the longer you live, that is more productive years of you earning and saving money and so being healthier. You also save money on medical bills. So it's a collateral benefit, but it's so large a benefit that it would make you ask was that the reason why it was instituted?

Speaker 1: 1:02:43

Hey brother, do you know right now, because you know I'm a part of the fitness industry man, one meal a day right now is so big in intermittent fasting is so big in the fitness industry is crazy. When I started seeing it like become a fad, I'm like the first thing that came to mind was Nation of Islam and the 5% Nation. It's just mind-blowing. I want to encourage you, brothers and sisters out there, research on the benefits of eating one meal a day.

Speaker 1: 1:03:19

Exactly You're going to see so many different things body fat, uh. Body composition, uh uh uh. Body fat loss, uh. Testosterone hikes, um muscle, muscle building, like there's so much. When you brothers check that out, I'm telling you you're gonna, you're gonna be amazed like all this, the research behind that that's virtually.

Speaker 3: 1:03:44

Also, it keeps you in tune, like one, with the universe, not in a spooky way. You're not easily swayed. You have more control over your temper, because when you eat a lot of food, as I said, you are what you eat. You could either be lethargic, You're raging like an animal, you're behaving as such, when your body's being, as I said, mentioned earlier, being less taxed.

Speaker 1: 1:04:05

Working hard, things are much easier, man.

Speaker 3: 1:04:06

Yes sir, yes sir, we're gonna go with this with this question before we cut out.

Speaker 1: 1:04:10

Okay, uh, does the nrw teach constitutional law or citizens rights to its members?

Speaker 2: 1:04:21

I'm not sure what the questioner is looking for. As a nation, of course we teach law, but we teach the restricted laws of the Nation of Islam. As far as constitutional law well, whose constitution? We don't teach the white man's constitutional law except as it benefits us as a weapon to use against him or as a weapon to defend ourselves from him. So you know, we are encouraged to learn the teaching of Islam first, but then to study everything else we can get our hands on afterwards, and so constitutional law. I mean, we have lawyers in the nation of Islam. We need defense against the white man coming at us with respect to litigation. So learning constitutional law, if we're talking about the American constitution, is something that's good for us to know so we can defend ourselves against his attacks legally, and so we can attack him when we need to legally.

Speaker 2: 1:05:39

Citizens rights I can't see how citizens' rights would be something different. You know, again, our rights as so-called citizens are something we can often use in the white man's courts to fight him on various issues. However, we are not citizens of America, nor do we have any rights under the Constitution of America. Ultimately and I think it was was it Dred Scott? Was it that decision? Was it the Dred Scott decision or Plessy versus Ferguson?

Speaker 2: 1:06:26

I'm not sure right now, but it has been determined by the Supreme Court that a black man has no rights in America, that a white man is bound to respect, and the Constitution defines an American as anyone who is not a member of the aboriginal people. We are an aboriginal people and therefore, constitutionally, we have no rights and, as I said, the Supreme Court has backed that up. Now don't get me wrong. We know that the white man plays the game with us and we play the game with him. And when it comes to the white man, we hate the player and the game, not just the game, we hate the player and the game. And so we play the game with the white man where necessary. And so, yes, we learn various things of the Constitution, we learn various things of the Constitution, we learn the law and we learn what our so-called rights are as so-called citizens, and we use it to our benefit when and wherever necessary.

Speaker 1: 1:07:35

OK, we have another question here. Did the messenger Elijah Muhammad give Minister Malcolm Shabazz in set up temples under his order, I guess to give messenger Elijah Muhammad give Malcolm Shabazz?

Speaker 2: 1:08:27

It seems as though the question is did the messenger give Malcolm permission or did he but the duty to set up other temples under his order? I'd also like to say that I'm impressed with the fact that that individual referred to him as Malcolm Shabazz. A lot of people don't realize that Malcolm's last name was an X. You know they don't realize his name was Malcolm Shabazz.

Speaker 3: 1:08:54

That's peace right there, the Lost Tribe of Shabazz. I seen that book.

Speaker 1: 1:09:00

You know I want to go into the Lost Tribe of Shabazz, but I'm not going to do that right now. We want the brother to keep coming up.

Speaker 3: 1:09:09

We appreciate you, brother, minister, brother Eric Muhammad, appreciate you for coming up To our listeners and our viewers. Don't forget to comment, share, like and subscribe. The brother came on here, did a great, phenomenal job. You got to come back again, get more into the literature. You know the Lord Shabbat Shabbat. You know I read that a few months ago, so that book was pretty deep man. But we'll talk about it.

Speaker 1: 1:09:34

We'll talk about it.

Speaker 2: 1:09:35

Looking forward to the next time. Yes, sir.

Speaker 1: 1:09:38

Thanks for coming out this evening. I really appreciate you, brother. Peace to the chat, peace to everyone checking it out. If you caught the live late rewind, start from the top and then, you know, of course, to the finish, have a good evening. We'll see y'all tomorrow, peace, peace.