How Black Women are being oversexualized. - Tiffany French

Why are Black women persistently hypersexualized in media while being denied the "girl next door" narrative? Join co-hosts Ron Brown and Mikey Fever as they welcome guest Tiffany to unpack this critical issue on the People's Podcast. Together, we trace the damaging stereotypes back to the era of slavery and dissect how these harmful images have been carried through generations, right into modern media. Tiffany brings a wealth of insight as we challenge the commercial exploitation of Black women's bodies, even in unexpected spaces like the fitness industry. 

In the second half, we dig into the societal stigmas that shape the perceptions of Black girls and women. Referencing groundbreaking research from a Georgetown Law Center study, we explore how Black girls are unfairly viewed as more responsible, aggressive, and knowledgeable about sex. We question why societal norms fail to recognize Black women as simply the "American girl next door" and advocate for broader, more inclusive portrayals. This episode promises an enlightening and transformative conversation aimed at dismantling harmful narratives and advocating for change.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

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Speaker 2: 0:09

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I like that, brother. Yes, this is the People's Podcast. Sorry for the audio on the last one. I know I was sounding kind of weird. Let me turn this mic up more. I sound like Biggie. Turn the mic up. Remember that.

Speaker 2: 0:29

Yo the mic's loud Yo so this is People's Podcast.

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Nah, we ain't begging. We doing Kickstarter because we about to take it to the studio and we realized why YouTube is playing games with us. Youtube is hating on our numbers. I'm going to say it clearly. They're trying to stop some of our content because they're viewing it as controversial. So we want to take it to a different plateau.

Speaker 1: 1:20

Yeah, so, yeah. What we notice, I, what we notice is that they kind of Like, when Hassan Campbell was saying it before, I was like, come on, nobody messing with your numbers, bro. You, just your content sucks. I mean, like you're just saying outlandish crazy stuff. Oh, tiffany, I like that shirt, what that, that that look like a sister on the front. Let me see that. You who room Nice? Oh, sister Nice.

Speaker 1: 1:50

So, um, what was I saying? I was saying, um, yeah, yeah, so like, what they're doing is I thought Hassan Campbell was fretting about it but yo, they do, they do they YouTube, they mess with your numbers. They do, if you don't know, know, um, so we're trying to get this podcast in person, we're gonna have a in-person podcast and still, we're gonna still use the stream yard for people like, uh, tiffany, who who's in atlanta, and stuff like that. So, um, we are starting to kickstarter. If you want to, um, donate to our uh, what you call this thing super chat, please do that, man. Actually, right now, we really need to Super Chat right now, pop it.

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Comment. Share, like, subscribe. This is all funded by both of us Hard workers, Hard workers and their own sweat into it.

Speaker 1: 2:38

Shout out to all our guests as well, who made it possible? Tiffany started with us. Really, yes, she did, yes, she did, yes, she did. And we're almost a year into doing this right here.

Speaker 2: 2:49

Yeah, man, tiffany's RBG all the way.

Speaker 1: 2:55

So we're talking about how Black women are overly sexualized in the media, right, and we brought you on Tiffanyiffany to talk about that. If you have anything you want to start off with, you can all right, so thank you for having me on here.

Speaker 3: 3:16

Thank you, you know and this is a great subject to actually talk about um, how black women are being over-sexualized, because it's really brought up into the conversation. And, yes, black women are being over-sexualized in ways, in multiple ways, and one of those ways happened to be through media. But let's go further back Before media. Let's look at the time during slavery. See, people don't want to deal with that part. During slavery, black women were used as sexual objects, you know, as like some form of breeding machine, and then there was a law that was taking place which was called Partis Sequentum Ventrum.

Speaker 1: 3:59

All right, Say that again.

Speaker 3: 4:01

Partis Sequentum Ventrum. So Partis means it's a Latin term, right. So partis means offspring, ventrum means the stomach, the womb, and sequitur means follow. So it was a law back in during the time of the slave. Where the status of the mother is is the status of the child. So it implies that, particularly on black women. So if the black woman was a slave, then the child was going to be born into slavery. So it doesn't matter what the status of the father is, it was more so the status of the mother. Okay, so that was the law during that time period, right? But yes, so the whole concept of the over over sexualization of black women did not just start with media. It's been going on for decades, it's been going on for a long time. And then there was terms to describe black women as whores, you know?

Speaker 3: 5:01

uh, excuse my language, bitches, uh jezebel yeah, I mean, the list goes on and on. You know I'm saying so. Yeah, this always been an ongoing thing. It has always been an ongoing situation. So black women has always been looked at and viewed in a negative light. You know, and it's just that media has perpetuated more because it has become an entertainment to make more money off of black women's over-sexualized behavior, degrading behavior, or you know, the fact that black women get on reality shows and become very arrogant and violent towards each other. Black women get on reality shows and become very arrogant and violent towards each other. It brings some form of entertainment and it makes profit. Everybody should know that sex sells. Sex is going to sell, that's the fact.

Speaker 3: 6:01

That's how this society is structured, with that idea.

Speaker 2: 6:06

Yeah, she right. She right about that A hundred percent. So corporation uses that for marketing.

Speaker 1: 6:13

Yeah, you know, even even in the fitness industry is like that. You know it's like that. You know the fit, yeah, in the fitness industry, you know, um, they, they, they, they in the fitness industry, you know, um, they, they, they, they kind of look and see like who's who, like if you're handsome or if you're pretty, your chances of getting a job is like way higher. You know what I mean. Images, yeah, and and also, if you wear like tight shorts and all of that and all that, like it's a part of the game. You know what I mean and and I, I it's a part of the game. I I could never really wrap my head around, like you know, to try to like kind of like the sex appeal thing, you know yeah you know, but uh, that's, that's just, that's corporate america.

Speaker 1: 6:59

I guess you know that's how it goes. So I want to take this back to uh, sarah, what is the name? Sarah bartman, bartman bartman.

Speaker 2: 7:09

Now the venus yeah, now.

Speaker 1: 7:11

Now, do you guys know any of of her history?

Speaker 3: 7:15

well, I know that her body part was on display and she was like one of the first to be categorized in a sexual manner. And that was the ignorance of the Western culture, because in the African culture that's not how she was viewed she wasn't viewed as a sexual object. You know what I'm saying. Her image was recognized as a beauty and it was a form of a cultural practice, depending on the tribe that she came from. But when she got over here to America, she was viewed as a sexual object.

Speaker 2: 7:50

Yeah, freak of nature.

Speaker 1: 7:52

Yeah, because she had a big caboose.

Speaker 3: 7:55

Yeah, right, you know big upper part and the back side.

Speaker 2: 8:00

But yet they emulated that because there were times in Europe where they wore the dresses with the heavy bottoms. I forgot the name of it. But they emulated everything about the so-called black women. They did Even now, down to when women get their hair braided. Europeans get their hair braided, or they have their lips injected with collagen. They say the ethnic look or something. But back then they used to make fun of our people saying look at the monkey lips, look at their big red ends, thunder thighs and all that. But now they want to do it. So I call that that's, that's, that's a flattery, you know you know.

Speaker 1: 8:36

You know this conversation can go in so many ways, you know, but I want to about, let's talk about that. So, you know, in the Western world, you would say that they didn't, their women weren't as voluptuous as the women in Africa. Okay, now, this is something that I, I, I, I cause I wasn't there, so I don't know. However, I've seen pictures of Europeans back then and they didn't really have clothes on. Those women were voluptuous as well back then. So I don't know why. Um, maybe maybe because the woman was black, she was treated more as like a sexual object, because of because of racial racism. Maybe that's what it was, maybe that's what it was, or maybe they've never seen a body like hers in particular. Exactly, you get what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 9:44

Now, europeans, the pictures I've seen from way, way, way back in the days when women weren't treated the way they're treated now, as actual citizens, when they treated European women as second-class citizens and they had them all I saw a picture where they had all of these women on their knees Right and they were in a line and all their husbands were in front of them, kind of like over top of them. Like you know, they dominated them in this picture. Now, when they were bent down or whatever you know, their body types were voluptuous down or whatever you know, their body types were voluptuous. So, like you know, I just beg to differ as far as, um, you know, european women being like sticks and stuff like that, that whole I don't say that I don't, you know, I mean, but most are not shaped like black women.

Speaker 3: 10:43

You see what I'm saying. Most of them don't shape like us. But I wouldn't say that they were built like sticks and you know, I wouldn't say that, you know Right right, Not as curvy.

Speaker 2: 10:54

I'm going to be honest. They voluptuous, but not as they don't got the curves.

Speaker 1: 10:58

But I don't know about the see. That's another thing that I beg to differ, because I'm in the industry with a bunch of them around and what I see is not like this. No, that's not true. They are thick as well. You know what I mean. Some of them really work on it, some of them are actually like that. So I think it was. It's probably more more.

Speaker 1: 11:29

I cannot deny the fact that, uh, african women do have some of the best bodies on the planet, like a shot for that. Okay, I don't know where the shots are. So you know, black women have some of the best bodies on the planet, like probably the best bodies on the planet. You know what I'm saying. Uh, so maybe you know. I forgot a brother. He said Africa is is the cradle of civilization, right? So it has the best of everything and the worst of everything. So you know, sarah, I don't know how to pronounce the last name, but Bartman, yes, she probably was something that they've never seen before. So you know, sarah, I don't know how to pronounce the last name, but Bartman, yes, she probably was something that they've never seen before. She was dark and she had a huge bottom. Maybe that's probably. You know what it was, but how did they treat her? Is is is something that I want to get into. And they put a body on display right, like was it a circus?

Speaker 2: 12:31

Yeah, one of those freak shows I believe they tried to put her in. It's like when they discovered the quote-unquote pygmies had her on display like on some kind of freak show, people would pay to see her, like she was some kind of grotesque being Grotesque Like to them. They viewed it as grotesque Like oh, you want to see this beast right here.

Speaker 1: 13:02

And later on, from my research I found out that they were sexually assaulting her.

Speaker 2: 13:07

So if they looked at her like a beast, would they be, you know, interested in, because that hate is confused admiration, that's what it is okay so that's what I viewed it as so she was.

Speaker 1: 13:17

She was transferred to different places, right to be this display of entertainment, right exactly okay, now do do any of you guys know the history, or you know, to further explain or expound on it?

Speaker 3: 13:35

tiff uh history as far as sarah bartman or sarah bartman uh, well, I can pull up the information real quick, like it's about more on the history.

Speaker 1: 13:48

Yeah, sure.

Speaker 2: 13:49

Right, ok all that just been. It's just disgusting. But they were over sexualizing our women back then in many forms with a um, the slave master will go take the young girls and pregnant them. Hmm, you don't yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1: 14:11

sorry, I'm sorry, go ahead, wait, wait, richard was saying richard. Richard neal bay said according to a study by Georgetown Law Center of Poverty and Inequality, black girls are perceived sorry, black girls are perceived I can't see, hold on, hold on as being more responsible for their actions, being more responsible for their actions aggressive, angry and more knowledgeable about sex. That's interesting.

Speaker 3: 14:36

You know, and I want to address that, um, now, in some cases, now I will say that, yes, we are responsible for our actions, yes, we are responsible for our aggressive behavior, um, our anger, whatnot, um. So so I can say that. But then, at the same time, where did we pick up all this aggression, action, anger and this sexual behavior? Where did it stem from? We got to look at both sides so we can say individual blame and society blame, which is basically you're dealing with a person blame and you're dealing with society blame. So now, on the individual part, yes, because you as the person have to be able to learn how to go through the process of working on your character, working on self, developing yourself, and you don't have to always be confined to that particular, those particular behavior traits, right.

Speaker 3: 15:40

But then, when you're in society, that pushes the narrative, right, they constantly push narratives and constantly push the social stigma about you, especially if you belong to a particular race or particular class. Right, it's kind of hard to weave around the stereotype. It's very hard to do so because you belong to a group of people that's already been stigmatized for the long. Okay. So it's real easy to say that, yes, the women's fault. Women are responsible for their behavior, whatnot, and I agree to that. But then we also have to look at society playing a part of that too, when it comes to stigmatizing yes, ma'am, that's a fact.

Speaker 1: 16:27

That's a fact. Now, uh, another thing. Uh, before we go to your slide, you said uh, black women have always been these vixens, these animalistic erotic women. Why can't we just be the sexy American girl next door, tyra Banks, on being a sexist? Why can't we be the sexy American girl next door? How about let's take sex out of that?

Speaker 3: 16:55

I ain't nothing wrong with being fine, beautiful and sexy. I ain't nothing wrong with that. You know what I'm saying. I ain't nothing wrong with being fine, beautiful and sexy. I ain't nothing wrong with that. You know what I'm saying. I ain't nothing wrong with it. But you don't have to. You know what I'm saying. You don't have to go above or beyond, or to the extent where you're desperate for attention. You don't have to do that. That you don't have to do. You know, because it's already there.

Speaker 1: 17:18

Right, but what I'm saying is just to take sexy out of the conversation.

Speaker 3: 17:21

You know what I'm going to say. I'm every woman, it's all in me, it's all in me, yeah, it's all in me. I don't need to go above and beyond. I don't need to meet societal standards just to classify as being sexy, because it's all in me, it's already there, so I don't have to bend my back and get all these surgeries, the bbls, the breast um reduction right, the liposuction. I don't have to get plastic surgery just to prove how sexy I am because they're trying to appeal to American standards of beauty. Exactly.

Speaker 2: 18:01

Literally no beauty in the eye of the beholder.

Speaker 3: 18:03

That's a major detriment. Now you see black women walking around with the lip surgery, getting their lips bigger, they getting their nose job, bleaching their skin. You see what I'm saying. All these different types of surgery, why do you need them, to be honest? Why is it necessary? Why do you necessarily need them? And the only thing I can think of is because of the industry they're in. That's why for the most part, but I saw that we don't really need those surgeries. We don't really need to try to appeal to that dominant culture or this. You know saying this what's the ideology or what beauty is, but people don't realize those things hurt us. Those things have set us back. Why you think Blanche Shiner went to the doctor and removed all that surgery she had on her because she was tired of it. She was like you. If I'm going to go through the process of changing and become a better person and live a better life, I'm going to have to remove all of this, because this was a sign of self-hate.

Speaker 1: 19:12

So would you say black women being over-sexualized possibly change their way of thinking, for them to keep up with the Joneses.

Speaker 2: 19:26

A lot of that could come true.

Speaker 3: 19:27

I would go so far to say and some folks like to be mad the feminist movement, this whole sexual liberation culture, and that itself is a setback. You know because why? Why do we have to be sexually liberated? Why we can't have sexual limitation?

Speaker 2: 19:50

they're not gonna like you for that too.

Speaker 3: 19:51

Why do we gotta be sexually liberated?

Speaker 1: 19:53

but what does that really mean, though?

Speaker 3: 19:55

narrative that, hey, you know, this whole positive body image thing, which is like basically over-sexualizing a woman, this whole sexual liberation, this whole slut walk movement why? Why do we need all of that? Why, I mean, why not just bring about sexual limitations? Because there's a lot that's going on out here. It's a lot of things that we're not having a conversation about. We're not having enough conversation about stds, hiv and aids. Right, we're not having a conversation about sexual education the way that we need to, but you got people who, instead of pushing a narrative about sexual liberation but not having conversation or having enough discussion, centered around sexual education in our community the way it should be.

Speaker 2: 20:45

You know, you know I respect everything that you said was so true, but you know why they will. They will push that narrative and say why did you be sexual liberated? Due to the fact that they will be like. Men are bragging about how many women they sleep with. They high five, and so why can't a woman be liberated as well? I'm just saying this is what they'll push. You know, it's her body, her choice, whoever she chooses to sleep with. Where does that come from that?

Speaker 1: 21:11

that that narrative, yeah, like maybe did it come from the feminist movement. I feel like it came from the feminist movement.

Speaker 3: 21:17

I feel like it came from the feminist movement yeah, I mean because you know it goes back to the whole concept of reproductive rights, sort of you know saying my body, my choice thing. But you know, um, and like I said, I I understand you know the right to reproduct, reproduction. You know as far as like, when it comes to certain cases, certain situation, and we don't really want to get too much into that topic, but I get that. However, you know, I think that you know you're taking it too far when you talk about sexual liberation without even teaching women how to be more responsible, be more cautious as far as what they're doing. You know what I mean and I think that's a serious detriment. And then my whole thing is how you fighting against patriarchy when you're pretty much giving in to it ooh, like a shot in the blood because I mean, think about it, are you really fighting against patriarchy or are you really just falling into that trap?

Speaker 1: 22:16

yeah, because they do what we like. Well, I don't want to say what we like, but they do what men in the Western region, you know, want to see.

Speaker 3: 22:27

Exactly.

Speaker 1: 22:28

They want to see you pop your butt.

Speaker 3: 22:31

Right.

Speaker 1: 22:31

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 22:32

So are you really trying to go up against patriarchy? What are you doing? Yeah, because it's like you putting yourself in a trap.

Speaker 2: 22:40

Yes, and I wanted to say that over-sexualization can also stem from traumatic sexual assaults. You know if you don't want to touch on that, but you know a lot of these young girls tend to be victims of sexual assault.

Speaker 3: 22:57

That part Now. Now, that part is the absolutely, and I think because a lot of them, those who have, uh, dealt with sexual trauma, I think a lot of them use that as a way to feel like, hey, they gonna get back what was taken away from them and and they would have that power and control over, you know, as far as like their sexual desires.

Speaker 3: 23:25

So they felt like that time when they were sexually assaulted, they had no control, they had no power, they was just taking advantage of. So yeah, we can look at it that way too.

Speaker 1: 23:35

Oh wait, hold up. Richard Nell Bay got some jewels for us. Two-faced relationship between the CIA and feminism on Google search appears to suggest using feminism to legalize legitimate eyes.

Speaker 2: 23:58

legitimate eyes its invasion of Afghanistan, which was in its 10th year at time, in the eyes of European public yeah, because due to the culture over in most of those Islamic countries, you know it has that order of the man and the woman is beside him, or however they put it. I don't want to go too crazy on that. They feel like the women are not allowed to coach some, women are not allowed to go to school or drive whatsoever. They push that there, just like the same thing that happened here with the so-called black woman, the woman's right Last last. I remember that was something the europeans wives were facing, not the, not the black woman, because the black woman was on the field working with your black behind. So how you fighting for, for rights when you were a slave, just like the man right?

Speaker 1: 24:52

but you know what I could? I could, um, play devil's advocate and will actually just come with the actual facts of the matter. Back then, black women and black men, you know they say, you know they what you just said. People say that a lot. However, black women have been treated by black men Not so great, of course.

Speaker 1: 25:12

Of course you know we can't, we can't get you know what I mean. Of course you know we can't, we can't get you know what I mean. We can't deny that you know what I mean. So even the way I I don't want to say I was taught, but just looking at my environment growing up and looking at how other men treated women, I thought that it was the right thing.

Speaker 2: 25:31

So I kind of followed behind to be players and all that, of course, because think about it growing up. I remember when I was a teenager I was super duper, talking love and stuff like that. People made fun of me. Even my own sister was like you hear this fool, he's in love, you should go to town for that. You should be a player. This is how you're supposed to get this chick to do this and that I'm like damn Sow your wild oats.

Speaker 2: 25:54

that's what they say, right yeah, grow oats, whatever wild oats, whatever. Yeah, they frown upon love. Growing up, you know when a man wouldn't be affectionate whatsoever, so it's like it's crazy man. It makes you look at women in a different light if you don't know who you are until you get older and you learn that's not the way it's supposed to be.

Speaker 3: 26:15

And I would say this the fitness movement has served some benefits. I would say it has served some benefits to women in general. That I will say, especially when it came to the job marketing. You know variety areas where they can work into the job field, whether if they want to work a blue collar job, white collar job or pink collar, they had the opportunity. Then you had an organization called Now Organization, which is the national organization for women, which pretty much protected women's rights in the workplaces. So so I would say there is some benefits to the feminist movement.

Speaker 3: 27:00

However, this modern day feminist movement, if you will, it just has gone way overboard.

Speaker 3: 27:11

Because now what you see that it's creating the dichotomy between men and women and it's making women look at men as enemies per se and not being able to learn how to coexist.

Speaker 3: 27:27

So it does not teach women how to differentiate between decent men out there and the men who are just out to seek control and taking advantage of women. It doesn't teach women how to differentiate that. What it's doing is teaching women how to look at the opposite sense as the enemy, and that's not the way. That's not a way it should work, because we cannot coexist without the opposite sense. We have to learn how to work together some way, some shape and form, so what we can do is address the issues that's happening, that have done a great deal of damage to us. Now, as far as black men, women's concerned and you are correct, yes, there have been black men who have um, you know, who have have not treated women so fairly, disrespected the woman, and let's be honest about it, since we're on this subject, let's talk about the men who have left their women behind. You know what I'm saying? It's just to take care of another household.

Speaker 1: 28:32

Oh man, let's talk about that, because yo.

Speaker 3: 28:35

Who are byproducts of abuse. You know you have children who have been abused by their fathers, uncles, etc. So I mean that's a deep conversation to have.

Speaker 1: 28:47

Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 3: 28:48

You know what I'm saying. But these things have taken place in our community and we have to really talk about it. But see, we're told whatever happens in the household, god stay in the house. So we're not allowed to speak on those things and that those things are going to bring a major hindrance not only within the household but also within the community as well. So it has to be spoken about. So what I'm saying in a way yes, the feminist movement have brought some form of help, you know I mean.

Speaker 3: 29:15

But the downside of the feminist movement was that black women could not fully participate in it because it was more beneficial to white women, because white women got more of the privilege than black women did with the feminist movement. So black women were kind of left outside in the cold. You know what I'm saying. They felt like they were being used by these white women just so they can appeal, like they really trying to bring unity in all women. But at the end of the day it was more so about their liberation and their primary focus of their rights than it is about women in general. So black women were still left out there in the cold. So black women was like okay, well, where do we fall in line with this? Where do we fit in this? How do we make our voices heard? You know? So now you see that more white women, you know, make more money. They got more position and they got higher position on jobs etc. You know so a lot of them are owning businesses. So it's like black women feel like they just way behind and oh, you know.

Speaker 3: 30:19

And then you know it's so funny that I brought that up because I've seen the show and I think you guys should get a chance to watch. It's called Tonight's Conversation Live. It's normally on YouTube, but they also have an app. So there's a list, there's a panel, they have a discussion about relationships and sex, et cetera, et cetera. So the conversation was about modern feminism, right, and someone brought up a great question. Someone brought up a question that is feminism a byproduct of white supremacy?

Speaker 3: 30:50

Hmm that, that, that you know, that's something that I never, ever thought about in more detail, but I'm starting to think it is. But I, I don't want to really say, but I'm starting to think so because the way, the way the direction is going and who we can benefit the most okay.

Speaker 1: 31:10

So you're saying is feminism a byproduct of white supremacy, right?

Speaker 3: 31:15

Yes, that was the question that was asked on the panel on the show called Tonight's Conversation.

Speaker 1: 31:22

Now this is what I think. Yeah, it is right, because the way that I see it if I'm not correct, let me know but the way that I see it is, the reason why it's a byproduct of white supremacy is because white women were suppressed by white men. Therefore, that had to be created.

Speaker 2: 31:47

Yeah, and if you see the symbol of it, what it represented, when you see that picture, the logo with the woman with her arm stretching the muscle and all that, yeah, yeah, I didn't see no african face doing it on that logo from back then. So where does that come from?

Speaker 3: 32:07

I mean, we don't necessarily have to bless our muscles, but yeah, but I see what your point is.

Speaker 1: 32:15

Yeah, yeah, so now bringing Hold on, brother Ron.

Speaker 2: 32:19

That basically means the woman. I'm not trying to set no division with that. That basically means that the African woman, you're not part of that struggle when I see that image, because everything goes by image and symbolism to the world. So they see that I didn't see no sister up there doing the same thing too. That's just for me. I didn't see no sister up there doing the same thing too. You know, that's just for me. I could be wrong, right?

Speaker 1: 32:43

Well, um to now you. You brought that up, Tiffany, um, because, uh, why, why'd you bring that up? Just trying to follow your thought, your flow.

Speaker 3: 32:53

You talking about the uh white supremacy and feminists?

Speaker 3: 32:56

Yes, your flow, you talk about the white supremacy and feminists. Yes, oh, because you know, I was thinking because, since we were on the topic talking about feminism, it just popped in my mind and going back to watching the show that I was looking at on YouTube on this app is called Tonight's Conversation Live and they were having a conversation around modern feminism. Is it hindering the black community having a conversation sitting around modern feminism? Is it hindering the black community? Does it benefit black women, etc. Etc. And so one gentleman on there he brought up he said that, well, what if feminism is a byproduct of white supremacy? And I just had to sit there and just think about it, and I was thinking about it for a long time, for a while, and I said, what if that's the case? So I mean, since we're having this conversation, I just thought, well, I just shared it, right, you know?

Speaker 1: 33:48

a lot of things that happen in this society is a byproduct to white supremacy, because white supremacy has been the bully for a long time, right? So yes, so a lot of things that we see is a byproduct of white supremacy. I even made a statement a while back about um. Street culture is a byproduct of white supremacy. That that's a fact. So you know, that's one. That's one thing Revolutionary, the revolutionary mindset is a byproduct of white supremacy.

Speaker 3: 34:27

OK, Democrat and Republican Party are byproducts of white supremacy. Patriotic white supremacy, yeah.

Speaker 1: 34:35

So I mean there's a lot of by byproducts of white supremacy at that. Yeah, so I mean there's a lot of byproducts of white supremacy. Now, is black women being over-sexualized about a product of white supremacy?

Speaker 3: 34:47

I would say yes. I would say yes, I mean because again, we got to go back to slavery. When we were brought here, when our ancestors were brought here to this country, right, and when black women, if you study the history, even on the ships, when they were brought here, they were raped, they were violated on those ships on their way here. Even when they got off the ships and got on the plantation right Working in the field, what happened? The slave master will go and he will pick one of those black women that he wanted to mate with and he'll take them to the house and what he'll do? He'll violate them. You know what I'm saying. So the over-sexualization here in America, as far as black women's concerned, is a byproduct of white supremacy. Yes, because it brought about social stigma and stereotype on black women, you know. So we didn't call ourselves jazz bells. We didn't call ourselves bitches and hoes excuse my language. We didn't call ourselves that. They were the ones that label us as whores, as the bees, as the jazz bells wait a minute.

Speaker 1: 36:03

So you say that those or the origins of those words here in america, as far as the black community is concerned, if you will, comes from white, white media maybe, or just from the white culture.

Speaker 3: 36:19

You know, white society, yeah, that didn't come from us, we didn't. You know, I'm saying, remember, I ancestors didn't speak english, okay, right, so they didn't know what it meant to be called a bitch or a whore, or a jazz bell. You know, saying they, they would label as such, they were stigmatized, just like being called a nigga. You know what I'm saying. That was not in our vocabulary, that was in their vocabulary. But what we did, we took their vocabulary and we just deconstructed by dropping the E-R and put the A on there to make it fit into our community as far as our language, you know I'm saying, but it still goes back to them. They were the ones that called us that. We didn't call ourselves that. You see what I'm saying. So that's something we gotta be honest about.

Speaker 3: 37:10

So when they say that you know black women being over sexualized going back to the point that the person made about black women being over sexualized is their responsibility or whatnot, in a way it's true, but again, it comes from a society that we live in as well. So the society that we live in constantly perpetuate over sexualization of women in general, and particularly black women at that. So you know, with all these labels right again, we didn't label ourselves these names, we didn't call ourselves these things. That's what was placed upon us and we just subscribed to it and we took on these names and use it against one another or use it as terms of endearment, because you hear black women saying I'm a bad bitch? Right, I'm a real bitch. Oh, do my bitches over there, etc. Etc. Right, so it's been used as a term of endearment, which is really not a term of endearment at all. But you know, but that's just the way. I mean, that's how it was, that's just the way it's constructed now now I want to.

Speaker 1: 38:12

I want to go through history a little bit. So you know, we started off with sarah bartman, right, and then now. If we go now, that was a period that was around uh, what slavery times, if you will probably she.

Speaker 2: 38:26

She was born 1781 and died 1815 yeah, she was born 1789 she died 1815. Okay.

Speaker 1: 38:39

So after Sarah and history right, and our history with you know over-sexualizing Black women, after Sarah, the next person I can remember who was exploited sexually or exploited themselves sexually was Josephine Baker.

Speaker 2: 38:56

I was thinking about that too was Josephine Baker. Oh damn, I was thinking about that too. Josephine Baker was man they loved out in Europe, yeah, but you notice that it represented that burlesque. Look to it the way she danced and how they had her dress, and that's something that, as Tiffany said, has been part of slavery. The Black woman had been over-sexualized in slavery when they had her mating with the black man just for the sake of producing babies for stock.

Speaker 1: 39:25

Yes sir, yes sir.

Speaker 2: 39:26

Yes, sir, you understand. So when she you know we weren't there. But this is just thinking in the mind of the person. When they see that a man's weakness is his penis, he's not thinking with his superior head they'll use it to their advantage Because you can put any like all these men of religious creed whatsoever. All have a weakness. If they don't have discipline over themselves, it is their sexual desires. You get what I'm saying. So they realize that if a man could be controlled by that, of course a woman, if she's in survival mode, is going to use her physical appearance or assets to get what she needs.

Speaker 3: 40:06

Unfortunately.

Speaker 1: 40:09

Now, do you want me to keep the slide up or take it down?

Speaker 3: 40:12

You can take it down Now after Josephine Baker.

Speaker 1: 40:18

Josephine Baker was what the early 1900s right.

Speaker 2: 40:21

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 40:22

Now, after Josephine Baker, who was next.

Speaker 3: 40:27

Oh my God, who was it? I want to say Eartha Kitt, but I don't know?

Speaker 1: 40:33

Oh no, but you know what?

Speaker 3: 40:35

I don't want to put her in that category though you know what I'm saying Because Eartha, like she, was very radical with it. I mean not radical as far as, like her sexual, not the sexual liberation, but you know she was very political, she had a political mindset.

Speaker 3: 40:48

But you know she was crazy with the sex thing, though she was like doing what I mean yeah, I mean yeah, you see her playing Batman in the early, you know when she played Catwoman in the movie and you know doing her little Broadway shows and stuff like that. She used Fox Delaney, cam Green, foxy Brown, I didn't even know that her and Harry Belafonte had a relationship at one point.

Speaker 1: 41:11

Eartha Kitt. Yeah, but listen, I saw something one time where Eartha Kitt was talking about, I think, somebody running a train on her. I think somebody running a train, I think Eartha Kitt was kind of out there with the sex thing.

Speaker 3: 41:26

But she had see her and Josephine Baker. They both had hardship growing up as children. Yeah, and I know the. Eartha Kitt story you know she, she was born in the south and she didn't. Her story you know she was born in the South and she didn't really know what you know her date of birth like, exactly what year she was born and whatnot, because back then during that time they didn't really have birth certificate for Black people like that.

Speaker 3: 41:49

So she grew up in a very abusive environment, so she was tortured and she would talk about how she was sexually violated and how she had to escape and move to new york to stay with her aunt just so she could get away from the hardship she was dealing with in the south. And so she got caught up in the you know the club scene. You know the cotton club up there in new york was very popular. So she was going to the cotton club. She was doing all these, you getting caught up, becoming a dancer, a singer and all of that. Then she was introduced to acting. But, yeah, she did use her sexual image at all time high. That's what made her a sex symbol back then.

Speaker 3: 42:32

But what people don't know, that Eartha was also, like I said, she was very political because when they were talking about the Vietnam War, right, this was during the time when Linda B Johnson was president, ok, and she was invited to the White House because his wife, lady Bird, she had some type of luncheon and they were talking about revitalizing or gentrifying the neighborhoods in New York or whatnot vandalizing or gentrifying the neighborhoods in New York or whatnot, and you know things of that nature. And that's when she brought up the questions about the Vietnam War. See, back then you couldn't speak on the Vietnam War. If you say anything about that then you automatically was put on the list, on the government's list, because you spoke against it. So she was asking the question. She was like, well, what about you know the fact that these black boys are going to be sent off, or those in inner city are going to be sent off into the vietnam war?

Speaker 3: 43:26

So when the moment she asked that question that's when linda b johnson came in was like hold on, what you just say, like, what did you say about the war? So she was blackballed for a long time. She couldn't find work here in America. She had to go overseas because of the fact that she asked one simple question regarding to a war, and this is around 1969. So she ended up being blackballed. So she had to go to Europe to find work. Yeah, but yeah, I just want to.

Speaker 2: 43:59

We can't forget the sister Pam Grier.

Speaker 3: 44:03

Oh yeah, Pam.

Speaker 2: 44:04

Grier.

Speaker 3: 44:05

Back in the 70s. Black exploitation yes.

Speaker 2: 44:08

Oh yeah.

Speaker 3: 44:11

And then the late that played Claire Patrick Jones. She was super, super.

Speaker 2: 44:16

Pam Grier. Right, but that's Patrick Jones he was super, super Pam Grier, right.

Speaker 3: 44:20

And then we can go so far as saying that a lot of those actresses slept with producers, executive producers, directors, just so they can get a role.

Speaker 1: 44:31

But that's kind of the same thing in the music industry as well. Yeah, oh yeah, With the video vixens and all of that. They sleep with the artists and things like that sister's name.

Speaker 3: 44:41

I got one her book uh, corinne steffan yeah, corinne steffan corinne steffan. Yeah, a lot of people don't like her. Uh, you know, because she wrote the book about the confession of video vixen and she talks about, you know, her sexual encounter with different athletes, uh, musician, etc. So she she received some backlash for that and then she got with bill maher.

Speaker 2: 45:05

Who bill maher?

Speaker 3: 45:08

oh, yeah, yeah, yeah so.

Speaker 1: 45:13

So how could, how could the you know well. So we took them through history. Right, we took it, we gave them like a brief history. We went from Sarah Bartman Now we're talking about, we took it from Sarah Bartman to Corinne Steffens. Society with you know, you know, under European standards and domination, pretty much we have to kind of like we're always in survival mode and we have to do things that we wouldn't necessarily do if we weren't in that position, right?

Speaker 1: 45:55

So I'm going to pose this question to you guys, men and women If white supremacy didn't exist, would black women be over-sexualized in the media?

Speaker 2: 46:06

That's a good question Because, like you said, a lot of us were not alive at that point. It probably would have been a whole different standard of beauty.

Speaker 3: 46:14

Right, I think we would have more control over our cultural practices bingo yeah I think we would have more control over our cultural practices and you know, as far as like representation is concerned, right, yeah I wanted let's let's look at this africa's is is alive, right.

Speaker 1: 46:34

So you know this. They're over there, even though they were still affected by colonial powers. They still live there, right. And they have their own societies now out there in Africa. Of course, you know in Africa is 54 countries, right, so you know we could be talking about the whole, the whole continent right Now. Let's just kind of like give it a broad brush. Africa Now. Have you ever seen an African video with a woman shaking her behind thong?

Speaker 2: 47:10

out or anything like that. No, not thong out. I see cultural dancing when they're moving their hips. There's a lot of cultural dancing. Now, maybe with the influence of music you probably see a little. You know twerk here. You know what we call twerking. They doing Half naked, no, but I do could say that the standard of European beauty affected Africa because they do a lot of skin bleaching there. We can't remove it. Even in the Caribbean there's a lot of skin bleaching. Well, that's another subject I'm talking about over-sexualized. Nah, there's a lot of cultural dancing, right.

Speaker 1: 47:43

So that's an example of if we didn't, if we weren't so engulfed in European society, how it would look. We got to change the narrative. Now my question to you is how do we change the narrative, which where right now, is like we're in the thick of this? How can we change this around?

Speaker 2: 48:08

Come to NYP and you'll see what happens.

Speaker 3: 48:11

I think you just answered your own question, brother. You just answered your own question. You said we're in the thick of this, so how can we change around? Said we're in the thick of this, so how can we change the route when we're in the thick of it?

Speaker 2: 48:21

Change from inside. That's what I'm saying. Come to NYP people. Yeah, he kind of answered his question right there.

Speaker 3: 48:27

He kind of answered his own question with a question.

Speaker 1: 48:29

Okay, I'll be explaining what you're saying.

Speaker 3: 48:32

Okay, because you just asked how can we change the narrative when we are in the thick of this Key word? We are in the thick of it, so it will be hard to change the narrative collectively, basically. But now what we can do to set the example of showing Black people in a different representation, in a different light, as far as, like, academically is concerned, right, you have people that actually do that, but do they get the mainstream recognition? No, they're not going to gain the mainstream recognition like that, nope, nope. But they are setting the example.

Speaker 3: 49:17

And there are people you can look up on youtube channels, right, or you can watch on uh pbs documentary, you know I'm saying where you can see black people are shown in different representations. You can see black people are being historians, black people are scientists, black people are educators, activists, all these different things, all these different accolades, right, black people representing. But again, they're just not getting the mainstream recognition. You know, because we're in the thick of this, so it's going to be hard to put our foot in. So you can always just lead by example.

Speaker 2: 49:59

Yes.

Speaker 1: 50:00

We got it. Here's the thing. I think the way things can change around, even in the thick of things, is I think that in order to change the narrative, we have to be unique, creative. To change the narrative, we have to give Black women an image that they can look up to, that they know and that they could see is pretty and sexy, still and modest, and take that image all around the African diaspora and make it popular.

Speaker 2: 50:41

There was an image like that in the 80s that we had Claire Huxtable. She was bad. Remember that.

Speaker 3: 50:49

Felicia Rashad yes.

Speaker 2: 50:53

We had her, and we also had Shaharazad Ali is not bad.

Speaker 1: 50:57

looking at all, shaharazad Ali is not bad. Looking at all, shaharazad Ali.

Speaker 2: 51:01

Remember Ron, your other crush that I was like later on. She's bad too. With respect, he's like Miss Deb was bad. She's a beautiful woman.

Speaker 3: 51:09

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 51:11

Oh, oh oh.

Speaker 1: 51:15

Oh God, yeah, yeah, you're throwing me out like that.

Speaker 3: 51:18

That played on Good Times. That's the role I'm the woman.

Speaker 2: 51:23

Yeah, very proud black woman yeah, of course, man you got, and you know what it is because you know. With that over sexualization, yeah, angela, yeah, you're right about that nina Simone, yes, Nina Simone. Nina Simone was bad.

Speaker 1: 51:39

Hold on, hold on Nina Simone.

Speaker 3: 51:42

She was a blues singer.

Speaker 1: 51:43

Yeah, I don't like the way she looks. Though why I don't like the way she looks? I don't know. I mean, that's perfect. You know it's perfect.

Speaker 3: 51:53

As she got older. I mean yeah, of course you know she changed there as she got older. I mean, yeah, of course you know she changed, she changed, but there's quite a few out there, but you know, for when she was in the 60s and the 70s she was phenomenal looking.

Speaker 2: 52:04

Patti LaBelle was too Patti LaBelle. Oh whoa Anita Baker.

Speaker 1: 52:12

Anita Baker oh Sade Sade.

Speaker 2: 52:15

Yeah, yep, sade was good Sade, quite a Shade Shade. Quite a few of them. I hope they were very modest with it modest.

Speaker 1: 52:22

Uh, what's her name? Um Erykah Badu. She was modest with it. I love Badu. Don't talk about Badu that's my wife, man yeah, very modest with it.

Speaker 3: 52:33

Yeah, very modest.

Speaker 1: 52:34

Angie Stones India Ari other sister from Philly, jill Scott.

Speaker 3: 52:42

Jill Scott NDR.

Speaker 1: 52:46

I mean I'm not into NDR, but I do like Jill Scott, though I'm just not you know, I don't know maybe this is not for the show. I don't care, man, you know, I don't know, you know what it is. Well, maybe this is not for the show. I don't care, man, I understand. She's just thin, she's thin. I'm not really into oh, I got you. I'm not really into thin, thin women and all that.

Speaker 2: 53:07

That's your foster Caribbean. I understand too.

Speaker 3: 53:11

That's a singer named LaDessie from New Orleans. I don't think y'all ever heard of her. Ladessie, LaDessie yeah, very phenomenal, very beautiful and Fantasia. I love Fantasia. Look when I tell you she's playing, she kills it with the image, with the look she got going on. Yeah, the short haircut and all that.

Speaker 2: 53:35

She changed a lot. You know who could be pretty.

Speaker 3: 53:38

She did have a short haircut but, baby girl, I mean, she killed it with all kinds of short haircut styles. I mean when I say she got her own flavor. She got her own flavor.

Speaker 2: 53:48

You know who's pretty but who does too much. Like she over-sexualized and I think they clowned her at the same time.

Speaker 1: 54:06

That big girl lizzo. I'm not gonna lie, lizzo because she could.

Speaker 3: 54:07

She's pretty. She's pretty, she's not bad looking at all and she's super talented. Kind of did that to herself because she wanted attention.

Speaker 1: 54:11

Yeah, yeah. So what? What happened to lizzo I?

Speaker 3: 54:14

mean I, I don't. I guess she kind of stayed out of the spotlight. You know that whole situation she was dealing with. You know the whole.

Speaker 1: 54:24

Aries Spears. Aries Spears took a shot at her. She kind of like Aries Spears took a shot. Yeah, he did.

Speaker 3: 54:32

You know, she was accused of mistreating her dancers and she allegedly made them do, do things oh really uncomfortable. Yeah, yeah, it was a. Yeah, they had that on the news for a while. How, uh, her dancers started coming out talking about how she basically mistreated them allegedly so wow, okay, I didn't know anything about that.

Speaker 1: 54:57

That's what that you know. Not having knowledge yourself and getting into that business, that's what will do it to you.

Speaker 3: 55:05

Yeah, that's the Hollywood. Hollywood is a dangerous drug. Somebody put that on there. Fame is a hell of a drug. It is, and Hollywood is dangerous.

Speaker 1: 55:15

Yes, yes, yes, oh wow, I uh about the chat because I was looking at this thing over here. Uh, iry, uh-oh, iry came in there with fire fame is a hell of a drug fame is a hell of a drug, yeah it is supremacist.

Speaker 2: 55:36

Yeah, it is yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 55:38

So so back to back to being over sexualized. We took you guys, from sarah bartman all the way up into now and to women who were modest, um, and how we could possibly change it. It looked like, you know, you had a look on your face when I said, um, we could change the image. And you know, take it around and take it around the african diaspora and make it popular, and maybe we could change it image. And you know, take it around and take it around the African diaspora and make it popular, and maybe we could change it that way. And then you had a look, you had a look on your face, tiffany.

Speaker 3: 56:06

No, I had a look on my face when you said something about Indy I read was skinny or something I'm like oh yeah, yeah, I think she's.

Speaker 1: 56:16

Am I bugging? She's not skinny.

Speaker 3: 56:19

Well, she's not skinny, but she's tall and she's what. I call slim thick, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1: 56:26

Slim thick, okay, slim thick.

Speaker 3: 56:29

Kind of thick in areas. She's beautiful. She's shaped like a Coke bottle, if you want to, I guess.

Speaker 2: 56:37

I am not my hair.

Speaker 1: 56:40

If you know what she's, someone that Kevin Samuels would rate her weight and say, okay, she's at the right weight. See, my standard for weight is Kevin Samuels wouldn't like my standard for weight.

Speaker 2: 56:58

He'll kick us off the station.

Speaker 1: 57:00

He'll kick us off the station. He'll be like nah, you guys, no, no.

Speaker 2: 57:05

I want to tell him I start from 150 to 300, brother.

Speaker 1: 57:09

He said 300? Yo.

Speaker 2: 57:13

Mike, I'm being honest.

Speaker 3: 57:16

How much did he weigh before he passed away? I want to know.

Speaker 2: 57:19

When I was younger it was 150 to 300, 350.

Speaker 3: 57:24

I wonder how much Kevin Samuel weighed Yo, I mean like yo.

Speaker 2: 57:31

I'm six feet. I'm a tall guy.

Speaker 1: 57:34

I got weight on me. Yeah, yo, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, 300 though, mike.

Speaker 2: 57:42

I've done it before, brother. That's a little too deep. It's like a Royal Rumble for me.

Speaker 1: 57:49

You got to be over 6 feet with 300 pounds now. Come on, now you got to be like 5'5 to 5'9.

Speaker 2: 57:56

Yes, over 6 feet too. You can't have a girl. 5'5 to 5'9, yeah, but yes, over 6 feet too, but you gotta be girl. 5'5 and 300 pounds, bro, that's gonna look crazy done it before go next show we having fun man nah done it before I said next show oh, you done it before next show.

Speaker 1: 58:16

But yeah, yeah, yeah, what's he call it next show? But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what's it called? Ndi? Read not my thing. But yeah, you said she's pretty, I got to look. I got to look again. Man, maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 3: 58:28

I think she's pretty. I think she's pretty. I think she has a Coke bottle shape. If you know how that old Coca-Cola bottle used to be, that's how she. I think she's a pretty woman. I think she represents that standard of beauty One of the few women, one of the women in our community. Rather, that represents the standard of beauty for Black women. I think so.

Speaker 1: 58:54

Yeah, okay, now any other women we want to talk about? I want to really talk about women a lot. Whenever I don't want to put you in a box, tiffany, but because you're a woman, I definitely covering up women won't change anything I mean, you know, you're right, you have a point, it doesn't change anything, you know.

Speaker 3: 59:20

But again, we have to be able to, you know, represent our own standard of beauty instead of just going by society's standards right and it's not. It's not a matter of just covering everyone don't want to walk around showing off her body parts either. Everybody don't want to show off their you know the upper part of their chest or the back side, or anything like that. Everybody don't want to show off their you know the upper part of their chest or the back side or anything like that.

Speaker 1: 59:40

Everybody don't want to show that Right. And you know it's not only about covering women up.

Speaker 2: 59:46

It's protecting yourself as well.

Speaker 1: 59:48

No, no, no, Not that I was saying. It's also about shaking ass, thongs out like titties out, like you don't have to do that, like. If you go on instagram, right, you'll see a bunch of women shaking their butt in the gym, squatting with tight pants up there behind, like listen, I'm a man, heterosexual, of course, I love women. I don't want to see that, though I don't like. I don't want to see that, though I don't like, I don't want to see that all day. You know I'm saying sometimes it's good, okay, you see something, all right, oh, she's beautiful, oh that's great. And then you keep it moving. You know I'm saying but it's like, it's like they want attention, so I'm gonna do it for attention it's oversaturated.

Speaker 1: 1:00:34

It's oversaturated with that.

Speaker 1: 1:00:36

Seeking validation Right right right, hold on, hold, on, hold on. What if it ain't for you, though, brother? What if it ain't for me? I don't get your point, because that's not. That's not what we're talking about we're talking about. We're talking about just our image in general. You know, I'm saying it's not, it's not just about me. It's about our, our women, and the way they're depicted in society, and we're trying to figure out how we can change the narrative from them being over sexualized to a little more modest. Okay, look at Arab women, though. Exactly I've never seen well, it's like a few video surfacing of Arab women with a hijab on and all of that shaking, twerking and all that every now and then recently.

Speaker 3: 1:01:39

Oh, yeah, I think that. Uh, I forgot what country that was, but yeah, they got the arab women up there twerking and all of that.

Speaker 1: 1:01:47

I think it's like at a masjid or somewhere yeah, yeah, I think I saw that, yeah, inside a masjid, I think it was, I think it was. It looked like a masjid. It was a bunch of men in there In some country.

Speaker 3: 1:01:58

I know it's not in, I know it can't be in Saudi Arabia because they ain't gonna allow that.

Speaker 1: 1:02:05

It could be Dubai, because you know over there, Probably Dubai probably. It could be there. It could be there, but you know, that's the whole point of what we're trying to figure out here, just like you said, Someone said cover up and get abused too.

Speaker 3: 1:02:22

I want to say this Now yes, I do agree that covering up is not going to help a situation. No, you know what I'm saying, because anybody can still be abused. But the concept, the question, is how to not be over-sexualized. That's the whole question. As we mentioned I don't know if you just got here, but you know we basically spoke about how pretty much it's a societal blame, you know so it could be looked at as an individual blame, but it's also a societal blame, and it's a societal blame because of how women being portrayed in society, especially a culture like here in america, you know so.

Speaker 3: 1:02:58

So, yes, only thing we can do as far as like, as far as representation is concerned, is to set different standards and show that, you know, show women in a different light, outside of being sexual image or sexual object. You know, that's the only thing that we can really do. But we can't dismantle the whole culture of the idea about women being sexualized because, as the brother mentioned, we in the thick of it. So by us being in the thick of it, it's kind of hard. But I will say this if the feminist organization is going to continue to perpetuate the concept of sexual liberation, then that's not really helping either, because that's putting women into that trap, you know. So why not just bring about sexual limitation as opposed to sexual liberation?

Speaker 1: 1:03:46

right now it says uh like, when you're talking about the shaking ass and how women dress, america itself is over sexual, exactly. That's like she's the system. We're in the thick of it. That's the whole point. We addressed that earlier. I said that's a culture. We just got that on.

Speaker 2: 1:04:02

I just got on here. Yeah, yeah, we addressed that earlier.

Speaker 1: 1:04:05

Yeah, let's go with this question right here. Yeah, yeah, also talked about stripper culture in the past. Shows pros and cons, more cons than pros. Strip stripper culture uh, I would say there's more cons than there are pros, I mean, if we want to get really neat and greedy about the stripper culture.

Speaker 3: 1:04:28

It is a lot more cons than pros to it, you know a lot more cars, but it is a lot of cons out there.

Speaker 1: 1:04:35

I'm gonna give a really go deep into like the stripper culture and but a lot of cons out there.

Speaker 3: 1:04:37

I'm going to give a con. You can really go deep into the stripper culture, but a lot of people ain't going to like that.

Speaker 2: 1:04:42

A lot of folks ain't going to want to hear that they can say you're attacking the way they earn money. If you got a problem with the way I make my money, you come pay my bills then.

Speaker 1: 1:04:49

I'm going to tell you one reason why the stripper culture.

Speaker 3: 1:04:52

We got to really get honest about it, because now you got to ask yourself like well, what's really the difference between being a stripper and a prostitute? That's a fact, that's another subject, though.

Speaker 1: 1:05:03

Huh, that's another subject, but I want to. I want to say this. I want to say this right, the con of stripper culture, right to make it a culture where it's publicized and uh put out in the media as it, as it. You know uh so much. You know uh the con about it is young women, young girls see this and they think that this could be a route for them to take, when it's really not a necessary route for them to take, because there are so many other routes to take. When the media uses this to sell records, to sell sex, it influences the youth and the youth follows suit. Basically, that's a con, right there, of stripper culture.

Speaker 3: 1:05:56

I want to say this it's not no disrespect or shade to the sisters out there who are indulging to the lifestyle of prostitution and or being strippers, because I understand I think that's why I don't, you know, necessarily speak harsh on it or, you know, poke fun about the situation, because you know you got a case where you know that's all they know as a hustle, you know, as far as like showing off their body parts or indulging into activity, sexual activity, so, um, so it's no shade or disrespect to those sisters out there at all, you know.

Speaker 3: 1:06:30

So I don't want anybody to feel like, oh, we disrespecting women who are strippers or who are in this lifestyle, prostitution, but if we ever have this conversation, then that's that's when we have to pull back the layers and we have to be really honest. You know saying and it's going to be very hurtful and it's going to be a very uncomfortable topic but we really pull back the layers and deal with the origin of it, of all of this. You know. So you will see the point, but again it will, you know. So it's not going to be a very comfortable subject to really talk about, it's not going to be very, it's not going to be very pleasing, you know, I mean when you get into the nitty-gritty part of the history. So that's why, and the one day example is what's the difference between prostitution and stripping?

Speaker 3: 1:07:23

Now I mean there is some difference, but there's a lot of similarity too. It's a thin line. And then, what's the difference between pornography and prostitution and stripping? I mean, again, you will see a lot of similarities in all three, but there are some differences but there's a lot of similarity. But again, that will be, that will be another subject that you have to touch deep on, like really go into detail.

Speaker 1: 1:07:45

Yes, ma'am, and you know what I think the next time. I don't know if you know we got enough ammo to really go into this subject again next week. I would love to. This is a really deep subject and it seems like. It seems like quote unquote people of color right, or so-called black people, are always late to things. So, yes, what they call it.

Speaker 3: 1:08:09

We're on Colorful's time. That's what they call it.

Speaker 1: 1:08:14

Yeah, so yeah, it seems like these lives get cooking later on. So, uh, I think can y'all talk about this again. You know, I want to bring some more context to this conversation. Yeah, yeah, I want we could talk about stripper culture, prostitution and pornography, all that because we didn't go into hugh hefner. Hugh hefner, you know what I'm saying? We, we, yep, and then and then later on that morphed to um straight stuntin yeah, straight stuntin magazine, that's a new I ain't never heard of

Speaker 1: 1:08:58

that mic is laughing because he had he had the voice.

Speaker 2: 1:09:01

Now, I remember seeing those dvds. Like you know, like I'm like the bootlegger selling them. You know, you see certain people on a cover from hip-hop standing there.

Speaker 3: 1:09:10

Yeah, that's all the chicks with the I remember y'all had his own yeah, his own adult film thing going on. Oh really, and Luke yeah, snoop Dogg yeah yeah, he had his own, you know, adult film DVD.

Speaker 1: 1:09:25

Yo, we got to talk about Luke too, oh.

Speaker 2: 1:09:30

Luke, where them girls at Luke where them girls at.

Speaker 3: 1:09:32

I got up into this conversation. Oh, we should have brought that up. Oh, we should have brought that up because you know he received a lot of backlash back in the 80s.

Speaker 2: 1:09:38

Yeah, khalid Muhammad was trying to get at him too. Who, khalid Muhammad? Rest in peace. The late Khalid Muhammad said if I got a chance to catch him on stage, I'll whip them. Girls with belts on stage oh yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:09:54

And pimps, and pimps too, but you know we could have talked about the pimp culture and all of that.

Speaker 1: 1:09:59

We could have talked about Iceberg Slim and oh man, yo hold on, hold on, don't say too much, don't say too much.

Speaker 3: 1:10:07

We're going to have to. Oh yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 1: 1:10:19

We're going to have the science to credit, but something happened emergency with the brother. Pardon me. We'll have him on next week. We're going to drop a Santaria video premiere that I think Saturday and then we're going to be talking about Scientology Sunday at 7 o'clock.

Speaker 2: 1:10:42

Santeria. A lot of people ask about the occult show that's coming back soon. We're going to have all that Santeria to voodoo numerology All that's coming. I'm giving out tips too, on how to protect yourself with prayers. Oh, that'll be good, I got you. That'll be good with some candle stuff.

Speaker 1: 1:11:00

I got you. I got you. Yo, we're out of here. Peace to everybody. Hey, hit the I don't even know how to say it the super chat Like subscribe subscribe Like subscribe, share, comment. All that good stuff.

Speaker 2: 1:11:14

And we're out of here. Get your white magic, get your black magic, get your good stuff, holla.