Monogamy, Polygamy, and the Role of Community Support in Relationships

Can society's monogamous norms withstand the complexities of human desire? Join us for the one-year anniversary episode of "A New Yorker's Perspective" (NYP) with your hosts, Ron Brown, LMT, and Mikey Fever, as we unpack the layers of polygamy, polyamory, and modern relationship dynamics. We have the pleasure of welcoming Brother Rahim from Urban Conservatives, who shares his political insights and enriches our discussion on the significance of voting and political education within our communities. Our goal? To offer a spectrum of perspectives while maintaining respect and integrity.

Venture with us into the nuanced world of polygamy, particularly within an Islamic framework, where emotional intelligence, financial stability, and time management are key. We break down the myths and challenges associated with polygamy in Western societies and scrutinize the societal double standards faced by women. Tiffany joins us to discuss the historical and societal dynamics of monogamy and polygamy, and the crucial role of family structure and community support in nurturing healthy relationships. 

As we wrap up this enriching conversation, we ponder the societal expectations that shape our relationship criteria and examine how mental health and self-awareness play into the dynamics of love, particularly within the black community. From the importance of credit in achieving life goals to the distinctions between dating and courting, our episode promises to provide a thought-provoking exploration of relationships, societal norms, and the transformative power of understanding and acceptance. Tune in for a celebration of diverse perspectives and a glimpse into our exciting future topics.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

forget. She just said she's she's coming in right now. Yo, what's going on? Everybody? It's ron brown, lmt, the people's fitness professional, alongside my co-host, mikey fever, and this is a new yorkers perspective notice. I got the fatigue on hold on one second. Hold on, hold up. I got the shots today. Yo, I just want to say this real quick, man, before we start the show fully. We're supposed to have somebody coming in at 8 o'clock. We'll see what happens with that. Thank the viewers for viewing, the listeners for listening. We really appreciate this. Nyp has gone on a year of being in existence. Nyp will be existing for one year. We have a one-year-old baby here NYP and NYP is officially a businessold baby here. Nyp and NYP is officially a business. Oh, hold on hold on. Nyp is officially a business.

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Speaker 1: 0:59

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Speaker 1: 1:21

Right, you can see us like our whole body. You know what I mean, what we got on. See how you know. Harlem, get fly. You know what I mean. Get fly on the show. So you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 1:34

But, yo, I want to talk about this. Hold on, hold on, I want we got. We got the shots popping right now. So, look, check this out, man. Uh, I want to talk to y'all real quick before we go into, you know, uh, the the topic of discussion I want to let everyone know out there. Listen now.

Speaker 1: 1:52

I I went into the five percent nations teachings in 1996. You know what I'm saying. That is my foundation. However, I studied a lot of different things and this podcast is not a five percenters podcast. I am not representing the five percent nation, nor the Morris Science Temple of America with this podcast. What this podcast is? It's a show to bring people together from all walks of life in the African diaspora. So sometimes we're going to have somebody from the church on. Sometimes we're going to have some political people on. Sometimes we're going to have five percenters on. Sometimes people of the African diaspora, some political people on. Sometimes we're going to have five percenters on. Sometimes we People of the African diaspora. Okay, all right, as long as that person is not a rat, a child molester, that's a fact. Okay, they're going to be on the show. As long as they don't have, like, a bad history of Scamming, scamming and all of that, they're welcome to get on the show.

Speaker 2: 3:08

I haven't been on all spaceships no Colts.

Speaker 1: 3:11

Right, right. So so you know they're welcome to get on the show. Don't try to put us in a box, Cause we're not in a box. Don't, don't do that. You know what I'm saying. So if you don't like the pastor on the show, just don't view the show. If you want to see Sharif Morris Science, then we got that for you. If you want to see RBG, then we got that for you. Whatever you want to see dealing with so-called black people, we got you covered.

Speaker 2: 3:40

Exactly.

Speaker 1: 3:41

We got you covered, so I want to talk about what you want to talk about, Mike, before we going to the top.

Speaker 2: 3:49

Last night's show was a great show. We got to hear different perspective from people, from the brother that's dealing with the Republican party. We'd like to hear some people that's down with the Democratic party, because over here, as Ron Ron said it and I said it, we haven't voted in years. I really don't really care about their politics from my personal perspective, because I don't think these people care about anyone but themselves. They all lies to me what up Tiff.

Speaker 1: 4:20

What's up? What's up Tiff.

Speaker 3: 4:22

Hey how y'all doing.

Speaker 1: 4:24

Black power Tiff, what's up, what's up, tiff? Hey how y'all doing Black power. So, before we go into today's discussion, I don't vote because I'm not educated well enough in politics to vote. So you know, it makes no sense in my, from the way I see it, it makes no sense for me to vote, just to vote Exactly. You know I'm saying so. That's why we want to bring Brother Rahim on from urban what is it called? Urban politics? Right? Urban conservatives? Oh, urban, urban, urban conservatives. We want to bring Brother Rahim on from urban conservatives to teach us about politics. Now, he may be, you know, conservative, it is what it is. At least we'll have some information from whatever side. You know, whatever he he comes from, at least we'll have some way to to gather information. You know, I'm saying I'm gonna keep it real.

Speaker 2: 5:22

There's some conservative views. I agree with some. I don't agree with some democratic that they views they have some I don't agree with, but my thing is it's all about respecting people and not looking at others as inferior and just being direct. I'm out with that corruption right, right, exactly.

Speaker 1: 5:38

so, um, yeah, you know. No, we haven't voted in a while and you know, you know people feel like, oh my God, don't say that, or whatever the case may be. People died for this, bro. I understand. People died for us to vote and such and things like that, and I respect that, I respect it, and all praise is due to the ancestors, you know. However, just like I said, I'm not going to do anything. That's like me. In the 5% Nation, it said doing the wisdom before the knowledge.

Speaker 1: 6:16

We don't do the wisdom, but we don't do the wisdom before the knowledge. I'm not just doing an action on something I don't really know nothing about. You know what I'm saying. Can I inform myself about politics and such and get deep into it and then make an informed vote and place an informed vote? Sure, I can. However, the way my life is set up right now, I don't do bandwagons.

Speaker 2: 6:42

I'm sorry. I need help. You're not going to catch me doing no QAnon bandwagon, none of that stuff. I don't conspiracy theories either.

Speaker 1: 6:51

It's all about the facts with me right, it's all about the facts, it's all about the facts. So I'm saying all that to say, like, listen, we're going to be who we are and that's that, like it or not, so anyway, let's go into it. Let's go into it, uh, how. Let's speak about how, uh, so-called black women are, um, hyper sexualized in the media. I want to continue to have that discussion. I want to build on polygamy a little bit. Um and um. You know, and you know, you know, you know the overall black family. You know what I mean black Moorish. Whatever you want to say, people get caught up in it like, listen, man, we can't even have a simple conversation because we have to, like, keep correcting ourselves about words different ideologies create all this nonsense it's like come on, you know what I'm saying like, let's just talk.

Speaker 2: 7:45

Meanwhile, we're so divisive that we claim all these groups we affiliated with and still on the bottom of the totem pole with all that knowledge.

Speaker 3: 7:58

That's a problem it doesn't make sense exactly go ahead.

Speaker 2: 8:04

Tiff. I know Tiff is getting tired of us here talking. She's like shut up already. Go ahead, we're done, Tiff.

Speaker 3: 8:13

Alright, I'm just coming in, I'm just listening, because I hear y'all talking about voting and whatnot. So, okay, let's continue. Alright now. Do you want me to speak on the polygamy concept? It is not yet.

Speaker 1: 8:29

We're going to save that. I'm sure you're ready. You're ready to come out and throw them dukes, let's, let's, let's. You know what, since you're ready to talk about that? It looks like you're ready to talk about it.

Speaker 3: 8:42

Well, now here's the thing. Um, I'm familiar with the concept of polygamy because of the fact that I came from an islamic background as well. Um so, um, in the islamic culture, the husband is allowed to have up to four wives, so I'm familiar with that. However, when it comes to polygamy and one of the things it teaches in the Koran that you have to treat your wives equally OK, you have to treat them equally and they each have to have their own place, all right, so. So when I hear folks talk about polygamy, they're doing it for their own self gratification. It's not about trying to build a foundation or trying to keep the community intact. No, it's about self-gratification, or they're just doing it for sexual pleasure, because polygamy it's a lot that goes into polygamy. Ok, if you're trying to have multiple women, you must understand them from not only intellectually but emotionally. That's where emotional intelligence come in. You've got to have emotional intelligence, otherwise it's not going to work out for you as a man. If you don't have the emotional intelligence to understand women, ok, you got to be able to be financially stable. You got to be financially stable. All right to be financially stable. All right, you gotta be able to make quality time for those women that you're trying to have, these multiple relationships where you gotta have quality time. You gotta be able to make sure that these other women can be able to interact with each other and they're okay with it. Okay, you know. So if you have a wife and you want a second wife, you gotta be able to make sure that your wife is okay with you having a second wife. You gotta be able to make sure that your wife is okay with you having a second wife, because if she's not okay with that, then and you turn around and try to get another woman, you gonna run into problems with her. It's not gonna work. You know what I'm saying. So y'all all have to be on the same page. You all have to agree with that. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3: 10:41

So when people say they want polygamy, do they really want polygamy or do you just want sexual gratification? What do you really want? Because if you want polygamy, you gotta be willing to deal with the. You know you gotta be willing to deal with what comes with it. You gotta be willing to deal with the discipline. You gotta have the emotional intelligence. You gotta have financial stability. Okay, you gotta be able to deal with the discipline. You got to have the emotional intelligence. You got to have financial stability. Okay, you got to be able to balance time. You know, use time management, otherwise you're going to be unsuccessful and you're going to be disappointed and you're going to be drained.

Speaker 3: 11:15

So and I'm just telling you, I'm telling the viewers out there, you know, especially because I know, as a woman, how it is, you know what I'm saying. If you're, you know, especially because I know, as a woman, how it is, you know I'm saying if you trying to deal with a woman, she gonna want your attention, she gonna want you to be there, she gonna want your support system. So, as a man, if you trying to call yourself having multiple women at once, you better make sure that you can balance it. You gotta have some balance, you gotta be able to have patience, otherwise you can get polygamy out your your vocabulary.

Speaker 2: 11:42

I have a question for you, Tiff Do you participate in polygamy? No, no.

Speaker 3: 11:48

I don't. No, I just told you that I came from an Islamic background so I'm not familiar with the polygamy concept.

Speaker 2: 11:58

Now, I agree with what you say 100%, because you got to be able to support these women in all aspects. Because some people get a misconception, thinking that polygamy is all about sexual pleasure and X, y and Z. That's not the case, because it has to be equally yoked for everyone and in the Western world they call it a business. Some people will say yo, I'm trying to build a nation, whatever, and brothers will go out there and practice that and we'll build a struggling nation of just having broken homes and everybody's doing bad but talking as if they're kings and such.

Speaker 1: 12:32

Right Now, I think my position on polygamy as it stands. Well, I was totally for polygamy at one point in my life, but yeah, I was on that polygamy hard body. You know I'm saying um for a number of reasons, but uh, that's neither here nor there. But, um, you know, a lot of the reason had had nothing to do with sex. Like it had nothing to do with sex, like I don't want to go into my personal stuff, but you know, like, um, I, um, I'm disciplined. I'm saying when it comes to that, you know what I'm saying, I, I could pull back and come back whatever. Pause, you know what I mean. So it's not, it's not, it's not like that's like the centerpiece in my thinking around surrounding uh, uh, polygamy. Um, right now, though, I'm not for polygamy, especially in America, because of the way things are all set up. It will be hard for you to maintain a polygamous relationship if you're not making a certain amount of money.

Speaker 2: 13:42

Exactly. I don't think the Western world society is ready for that. They can't fathom that.

Speaker 1: 13:48

No, people are out there polygamists.

Speaker 2: 13:51

It depends. I wonder how is it running? You know, understand, some will portray that it's all good. But, as she said, you got to know women because the only one woman is enough. The emotional got to be there because she's going woman is enough. The emotional toughness got to be there because she's going through constant changes, hormonal changes.

Speaker 3: 14:10

Right, exactly One woman is difficult enough, especially when she starts having children you know what I'm saying she's going to go through the postpartum depression. That's something serious. People don't realize how serious that is. So once she started having kids and you don't say she's gonna go through that episode where she's going to go through that depression, you know, because the hormones is chemically imbalanced right, I mean.

Speaker 3: 14:34

So I mean, and you got to be able to deal with that. You gotta be able to understand. Well, how do I cope with this? How do I help her get through this? You don't say you gotta be there for her emotionally, mentally or physically. You know. I'm saying you gotta show up, you know. Just for the record, I'm not a polygamist and I'm not really. Uh, I'm not a fan of polygamy, but I do understand it, but I'm not a fan of it.

Speaker 1: 15:02

Now why aren't you a fan of it?

Speaker 3: 15:09

Because a lot of these guys they get the misconception about polygamy, as I mentioned. A lot of them, when they look at polygamy, they think it's sexual gratification, they think about their ego. You know what I'm saying. And they don't't have a lot of me, don't have enough discipline. You know what I mean. Let alone, it's already bad enough that they out here cheating on their wives or girlfriends or whatever.

Speaker 1: 15:33

You know what I'm saying but my question to you is where do they, where does the concept of cheating comes from? The western world?

Speaker 3: 15:44

okay. Well, what I mean is they going behind the back of the ones they love, the one they're supposed to be in union with? Okay, they're going behind the back of that individual and not being straight up about not letting that person know where they stand on their position because they worry that this person is going to reject them. And guess what in life we're going to get rejected. You gotta accept that. You know I what In life we're going to get rejected. You got to accept that. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 16:07

In life, everybody's not going to everybody don't have to accept what you do. You know what I'm saying. So it'll be easier if that man was honest about hey, I want to be with multiple women, I want to, you know, be able to mess around. Now if that woman say she's not okay with that and she doesn't want to be bothered with that, but that man still say that this is what he want to do or whatever, I mean she can't control that. You know she can make her decision that whether she want to stay and whether she want to leave. But if you stand up here and you're constantly lying and lying about your infidelity, you're only only going to make matter worse.

Speaker 1: 16:46

So she gets crazy. It's hard to say Now. Like I said, I'm not necessarily pro-polygamy or pro monogamy either. I'm kind of like in the middle with a lot of the way that I think in general. So to understand it right, you say a brother's going behind his woman's back and messing around with other women, yada, yada, yada.

Speaker 3: 17:12

I mean he's not going behind the meat and messing with other men, and you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 17:17

Yeah Well, just to keep it in, just speaking from a man's perspective, right, I'm going, let's say I'm going behind someone, my woman's back, and I'm cheating or whatever right, so to speak. Right, the reason is is probably not to make an excuse for brothers out there that do it. The reason is is because the society that we're a part of is predominantly a Christian based society. Right, a Christian based society, right, and that's really where monogamy in a sense comes from, if you will. Right, our, our, our relationship and family practices derive a lot from Christian views, ideology and concept, concept, right. So if we were to tell a woman who we, we know, has that deeply rooted christian mindset, that we're gonna go out there, and we you know what, baby, I love you, but you know I want to see other women how that's not going to go over. Well, if we're dealing with the reality, you know what I'm saying and there's some women that are you know.

Speaker 3: 18:27

There's some women that subscribe to it, that give in. You know what I mean. There's some you got couples that have open relationships, which to me it doesn't make sense. But that's how couples do it, you know. Some of them they be married and then they'll still date other people and I mean I don't think it's logical, I don't agree with it, but that's how they come to that conclusion that hey, we're going to still be committed to each other but we're going to still see other people.

Speaker 2: 18:58

I've seen that a lot nowadays, even reading Shazard Ali's book, where she say because I see that a lot nowadays, even reading shazari ali book, but she say most women think that a man will die within this one lifetime dealing with one woman or one female, not knowing that the nature of men, that she put in nature of men, is to go out there and, you know, conquer and explore. And you, you know, as Ron said, in this society they'll call that lustful. You know what I'm saying. But that's, that's who they are. But there was also societies where women had multiple husbands too, in the past Right right.

Speaker 2: 19:35

So I don't hear an uproar about that. It's mostly geared towards the men.

Speaker 1: 19:45

Not saying that's. See that get looked down upon If you're a woman with multiple men, right, I don't want to. You know like.

Speaker 3: 19:47

That get looked down upon. Let you be a woman dealing with multiple men in society, in this American culture.

Speaker 1: 19:53

Can I say I don't advocate women being with multiple men.

Speaker 2: 19:59

Here's what I'm going to say.

Speaker 3: 20:00

You see what I'm saying? Because everybody and they daddies got some criticism. Oh, you're a whore. Oh, that means you're a whore if you're messing around with that many men.

Speaker 1: 20:09

I'm going to tell you what some elders told me, and me and Aldi, and me and Aldi, I'm going to tell you what some elders told me.

Speaker 2: 20:15

Elders told me in the past and again I'm not being chauvinistic. They said it's easier for a man to and he's able to raise multiple families because he's able to go from home to home. They said a woman's a first nurturer. By nature she's a first nurturer. She's home with the children. The father would drop in. It's like all right, boom, say you're not with the mother of his children or child anymore. He could go there, put his time in, drop off the money, do his checkupup and leave it knowing that the child is safe with the mother. A woman cannot have multiple families.

Speaker 3: 20:49

Right, you're right.

Speaker 1: 20:52

You know what? This is going to sound funny?

Speaker 3: 20:54

I don't think women should be doing that, because then the question becomes well, who is the father, and are they reliable? Are they going to be? Is it guaranteed that these men are going to be around their children? If you, if you practicing polygamy as a woman, well, if, what's it called polygyny or something like that? Collision collision yeah, that's what's called collision, if you practice collision as a woman polygyny is it polygyny or polygyny?

Speaker 1: 21:22

Polygyny.

Speaker 3: 21:23

Okay If you practice polygyny as a woman. Right If you're practicing that.

Speaker 1: 21:29

Oh, wait, wait, wait, no, no, no. You're saying as a woman, yeah, as a woman, yeah, okay, my bad, my bad, this is another term you said it right, yeah, polygyny, yeah. I think polygyny is for men.

Speaker 3: 21:39

Okay. Well, either way, if you're practicing having multiple partners as a woman, right, you're going to have a difficult time to find out which one of those men are the biological father of your children Nine times out of ten. And then are either of those men going to provide financial support or are they going to come around? I mean, we already see that issue with women who have multiple baby daddies. Right, what they do? They trying to get their baby dads to get involved, right, maybe one or two might be involved, but the rest of them don't want to have anything to do with the kids. So now you got a situation where she got to show up to court and put them on child support. Put these men on child support, just so they can, just so she can get some financial resources from them. Right?

Speaker 3: 22:28

So saying this, say all that. It's going to do a serious detriment to the woman. You know what I'm saying. They try to have multiple partners at once. I mean, and me personally, I just can't picture letting um, multiple guys enjoy their pleasure inside of me. I just can't it, just it. Just. You know what I'm saying. It don't seem right, I mean. I mean, how do you? But I'm not knocking. No woman that's doing that, but that's just me. I just, I just can't you know multiple men having intercourse with women, they're sexually liberated.

Speaker 2: 23:08

That's what they would say.

Speaker 3: 23:12

I can't, I can't, I can't, I mean, and then you have to be careful, because you know I'm not trying to marginalize all men, but you don't know what some of these men are doing with they selves. You know what I'm saying. Some of them don't always play it safe. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 23:27

They play with both hands. They play with both hands.

Speaker 3: 23:29

And then you got these and then, if we really understand men nature right, you know, like you said, they are conquering. Okay, you got men who want to be controlling, who want to control the narrative of the woman, who want to control her, like, who want, um, keep her in the household with him or keep her under, you know, keep her under her, I mean under his wing or whatever, like she's. You know, say so it's gonna be a problem. So it's like, okay, well, I can't practice it, because I got one man want to try to tell me and try to run what I do and try to dictate how I'm supposed to operate as a woman. You know saying, this man over here, you know, he, I'm saying, and this man over here, you know, he got that same attitude. And this man over here got the same attitude. And I don't fit nowhere. I mean, I can't even breathe as a woman. So how am I supposed to operate with multiple men trying to be in control of me you know what I'm saying and want to you know what I'm saying compete with each other over me?

Speaker 3: 24:36

Y'all know how y'all testosterone get all over the place because y'all feel like, okay, this is my woman, she's mine. He can't have her. She's going to be with me, she's going to be with me. If she's going to be with him, she's going to be with him. That's just that it's not going to work. I mean, come on now, women are going to be with him. She's going to be with him. That's just that it's not going to work. I mean, come on now, women are going to have a hard time dealing with that. I mean, I'm sorry, I don't mean to go on the ramp, but yeah.

Speaker 1: 24:53

No, no, it's fine, but check this out. So let's talk about the history of. I want to ask you you know the people, you guys the history, the history of monogamy and polygamy.

Speaker 3: 25:11

What's older, monogamy or polygamy? I would say polygamy probably. Polygamy probably been around longer than monogamy. I would say because I mean, if we look at the earliest human, you know what I'm saying and how the human population was like. When we deal with it from evolution standpoint, for example, right, and you look at the Y-DNA, you know those who carry the Y-DNA chromosome, you know what I'm saying. And versus those who carry the monocondrial DNA, those who carry the Y-DNA traveled a lot. They traveled from places to places and they were reproducing, right, they had multiple offsprings and there was a bat migration.

Speaker 3: 25:48

So, with that being said, that give you the idea that, yes, there was more than likely a concept of polygamy practice taking place, because you know of the evolution and the beginning of time. So maybe monogamy came later on in the picture. We don't know how long monogamy been around. We know that it's been around for a while, but but we can't say that you know there was polygamy practice. I mean we can't deny that. So, yeah, it had to be. I mean, we talk evolution, we talk about human migration, right, and that migration. That goes to show you right there that yeah, there was some form of polygamy happening yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1: 26:31

I mean how, how, not you know what I mean. Like that's the way humanity, you know, kept alive. You know, I mean, just like you said, traveling to different places and you know, uh, um, copulating and making children. That's how it went throughout history. Now I want to ask you what animal on the planet is monogamous? Or are there more animals polygamous than there are monogamous?

Speaker 3: 27:06

I would say from an animal standpoint, there are probably more animals that are polygamous than monogamous.

Speaker 2: 27:12

Lion, lion, all over the place From an animal standpoint.

Speaker 3: 27:16

Yeah, they're more than likely going to be polygamous.

Speaker 1: 27:19

Okay.

Speaker 3: 27:20

Monogamous.

Speaker 1: 27:21

Okay, Now if we take a look at marriage and marriage statistics in the Western world, what are those statistics looking like in the more monogamous?

Speaker 2: 27:37

countries.

Speaker 3: 27:40

Well, I could tell you this there is low marriage rate at this point, very low.

Speaker 1: 27:49

Not many people are getting married like they used to not many people are getting married and the uh divorce rate is like high. So is it a? Is it a? Is it a monogamy, polygamy issue? Or is it a societal issue where maybe we are exposed to too much on the internet, etc I think it's more so a societal issue.

Speaker 3: 28:16

That's what I think. I think it's a societal thing because of the expectation that society has placed on humanity, all this stigma as far far as especially when it comes to the men like, okay, this is what you have to do as a man and this is how you meet the standard as a man, etc. And then the standard of a woman this is what you do as a woman, this is your standard, etc. And I think that puts a lot of pressure on relationships to the point where individuals may not be able to agree, be on the same page, and it gets to a point where the relationship does not work out.

Speaker 2: 29:02

So I agree with that. The false narratives of gender roles.

Speaker 2: 29:07

Yes, that's not adaptive to today's society and what's happening today in this world. You know, because you know. Today, you hear the majority of issues are based on finances. What else? Differences, personality clashes, not knowing the person that you're with but it's mainly based on finances and people are easily more distracted. I say the purest form of love that I've seen were the time of my grandparents, cause they they were on a mission, they knew what they had to accomplish, they had the goals and there was less distraction. You get what I'm saying. Although people were cheating back then, you hear, in the old time people were going around, whatever you find a story you hear stories about, found out you had extra siblings at funerals whatsoever, but it's based on the foundation that's built between man and woman.

Speaker 1: 29:56

So I leave it at that If you don't have a strong foundation what's your house will collapse.

Speaker 3: 30:02

Right, and don't get me wrong, I'm all for gender role, don't get me wrong. I am for that because we need that. We need to have a balance. It's necessary. We got to be able to have a balance where women can play their part and operate, we can play our parts and men can play their part and operate in society. So, yes, I do believe there should be some form of gender role, but the concept and how it's going about it is the problem. You know what I'm saying. That's, what the problem is is how it's being perpetuated, you know.

Speaker 3: 30:36

But is there gender roles? That's needed, yes, and now we have a situation where people arguing about 50-50. Who's going to bring in what? What do you have to offer to the table? Yada, yada, yada. Right. Then we got people saying, well, we don't need gender roles in this society, we don't need that, that's too patriarchal. Yada, yada yada. So now that you have a conflict taking place because you got this part of the culture that said we don't need gender role and you got these group of people over here arguing about 50-50.

Speaker 1: 31:16

Exactly Now, you know, hold on. That book is the. Oh, I could just say it to you, larry, bob, yeah, brother, that book is the truth. Man, supernatural, I'm going to be honest with you. Supernatural got me here on this podcast right now. I'm not going to lie to you, I don't know, man, when you start reading that book, you know, you just start realizing your, your own power, like you know. Well, you already know if you come from the five percent nation, or you, or you come to the realization that you are god. You already understand, you already know what your power, you know what you're capable of, capable of. However, joe Dispenza kind of puts everything in his proper context and he gets you to do exercises to make sure you carry out your mission the way you want it to see a fit.

Speaker 1: 32:01

So back on a subject matter. Right, the thing about the society and how sick it is. You know, because I think we live in a sick society, and the reason why I think we live in a sick society is because everything is kind of like backwards, right, you know, especially in the so-called black community, where we, you know, good is bad. You know what I'm saying and all that. You know how we flip to switch the slang, what I'm saying, um, and all that. You know how we flip to switch the, the slang, the slang terminologies and all that. So, um, I think we live like in a true matrix mentally.

Speaker 1: 32:38

And, um, how to, how do we, how can we assess and look at a partner and say, okay, this is my mate, we, what criteria are we running down? Does she have to look like this, look like that, think like this, think like that, like, how are we picking mates off the top, off the rip is is, is is important and something that we should really think about because, for what I know, like, if you look at the Indian population in India, a lot of their marriages are arranged, even though, although nowadays they're kind of like coming away from that a little bit, but their marriages, their marriage, a lot of their marriages are arranged. So, you know, I would like to ask you, when you go for me, I mean, what is your criteria? When you go for a mate, I mean, what's your criteria? What are you looking for? You know what I'm saying Because I'm going to be honest with you. When I was younger when I was younger.

Speaker 2: 33:33

When I was younger you had to be bad.

Speaker 1: 33:43

You got to be thick, I mean yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:45

I mean you got to be thick, you got to be thick, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 33:48

I think that's a brother thing.

Speaker 2: 33:50

I think that's us you gotta have the fupa you gotta have the fupa for me you gotta back, then you gotta be you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 34:01

You have to have a certain type of athletic body, so to speak. You know what I mean. You gotta look like you working out or something. You gotta stay healthy, you gotta stay active. That's what I mean. You know what I mean. You got to look like you're working out or something. You got to stay healthy, you got to stay active. That's what I mean. That's my thing, that's my preference in a man. He got to be active, he got to have that athletic look you know what.

Speaker 3: 34:20

I'm saying I don't want to go there. I don't want to go there.

Speaker 1: 34:30

I don't want to get too much. Now check this out. Anyone know who Sully is? Sully, sully's a homie. Sully's a homie, tall and charming. So look, this is what I'm saying. This is my whole point here. This is my point, right? Look at what we're talking about. We're talking about physical attributes. We're talking about she got to be thick or he got to be athletic. He got to be tall and charming. That's the first thing that came to mind, right? I mean?

Speaker 3: 35:04

because, as humans, we go by appearance. You know what I'm saying. We're going to go by a first impression.

Speaker 2: 35:10

The first impression is the looks.

Speaker 3: 35:13

You know what I'm saying. That's what we're going to look at. I mean, because if you're looking good and you're smelling good and all of that, that's going to draw that person to you. You know what I'm saying. Then we're going to have a conversation and get to know one another, get to see where the minds are at. Are the minds alike? Does the minds meet each other?

Speaker 2: 35:31

Energy chemistry make sure everything is right.

Speaker 3: 35:34

Yes, because that's the most important part when is your mind state and where is your mentality level? Are you intellectual? Are you able to have an intellectual conversation? Are you able to bring about emotional intelligence? Are you able to um? Are you able to bring some form of knowledge you know? Are you? What type of foundation can't you bring that will help us to grow as humans, as men and women?

Speaker 1: 36:03

as a family right yeah, as a family.

Speaker 3: 36:05

Yes, you can't deny the fact that if you telling, telling me that if you come across somebody and you ain't looking at them physically, you're lying to yourself. You're going to look at the physical attributes. I mean, come on, you're going to pay attention. When you see a beautiful woman, you're going to want to talk to her. Right, you're going to want to see what she's about. You know what I'm saying. If I see a handsome man standing right in front of me, right, and he smells good, I'm going to want to talk to him.

Speaker 1: 36:29

You got to smell good right.

Speaker 3: 36:31

I mean, it's a woman thing. If you wear a certain type of cologne, come on now, that's going to draw a woman's attention. You know what I'm saying. We just got to thank for tall men, I mean, and you know, some short men we ain't got no problem with, but for tall men we have that's wild man.

Speaker 2: 36:49

It's just that we have been Shout out to my short brothers man.

Speaker 1: 36:53

Shout out to my short brothers man when y'all at out there?

Speaker 2: 36:56

Yeah, man Don't do a short.

Speaker 1: 36:59

Short dudes where y'all at, you know what I'm saying and you know they, nice and muscular, know say nigga, now check this out, now look, this is my point.

Speaker 3: 37:13

This ain't everything.

Speaker 1: 37:16

But, but this is this is my point, though this is my point. We're talking about physical attributes. We're on the physical attributes. Now, let's say this person is tall, handsome, all this good stuff, nice body, yada, right and um, you're on the same page mentally, you're on the same page. Ambition, no goals.

Speaker 1: 37:39

You didn't know this, though, because, look, it takes you a while to get to know. Know people right, because you know, as they say, people show up as their representative first, okay, and then you learn years down the line. Damn, this person right here doesn't have this. This he's been saying, or she's been saying she's going to do such and such and such. For the past 10 years, or five or two years. Let's go two years for the past two years, and I still don't see any progress. You know, because they might have some kind of mental blockage that you don't know, that maybe they have self-esteem issues. You know some real heavy baggage that you never really that, you never knew Right. So now you're stuck with this person, or she maybe a narcissist. There's so many different psychological issues.

Speaker 3: 38:55

There's going to always be a red flag.

Speaker 3: 38:57

See, the problem is we tend to ignore the red flags because we're so caught up on the charm of the individual and their rhetoric, what they're saying. So the red flags are there, and especially us women, you know. So we, we've ignored the red flag so much because we we caught up on the man and then, by the time we get into the relationship with the man, right and the red flag started to show itself. It's like okay, now we're in a trap and we're trying to figure out how the hell we're going to get out of this trap. What should we do here? Should we just forgive him and give him another chance, or should we just get the hell on? And we don't always get the hell on. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 39:43

We don't get to. You know what I'm saying. We don't make that going to fix the problem instead of trying to fix ourselves.

Speaker 2: 39:50

That's a fact. That's a fact. What she said was so real. Sometimes when you're thinking on a low vibrational frequency, it could be the physical that you're stuck on, still, as Brother Ron said, and not seeing the red flags, as you mentioned. As my homeboy say, we don't see the red flags. You would have thought we were crips because we're so caught up. You get caught up with that person and you're already in, like you know, they already got you entwined into their um, into their past. Sometimes you fall in love with somebody's potential.

Speaker 2: 40:21

There you go, bingo, you know what I'm saying and it depends on who. Holding people back to some people like I don't want to deal with this person more, but like damn, but yo they be doing magic when we, when we intimate, it's a different story, you know, um, so so, yeah, that's that's's to bring it all together.

Speaker 1: 40:48

Yeah, that's my, that's my whole point, right? Like so, you know, I think that partners to become a part of our lives, you know, um, instead of saying, all right, it's, it's easy, like I could go okay, she's very attractive, boom, this is somebody that I can definitely be with for the rest of my life. Right, because you know, she's beautiful, she's everything that I want, she represents what I represent, whatever the case may be, right, and then. And then we go okay, now, what else, though? Okay, now we need to start asking other questions, like all right, what was your, what's your family bloodline Like? Let's take it back to your history, your family's history. You know, credit, what's your credit like? I mean, is that not a valid question?

Speaker 3: 41:57

Yes, that's a valid question. Credit is very important. What Credit is very important? You cannot really get anywhere in life without credit. You know what I'm saying. If you're trying to get a house, you're trying to start a house, you're trying to start a business, you're trying to get an apartment, you're trying to get a certain type of car or something, or you're trying to get loans.

Speaker 1: 42:16

Right.

Speaker 3: 42:17

That credit is going to be the most important thing now, unless you're 18, 19 years old. You know what I'm saying, because at that age, that's when you just start opening your credit up. But if you in your 20s and your 30s, all the way up to your 40s and whatnot, yeah, your credit is going to always be the most important thing. I mean it's just you can't get around it. You know what I mean. You can't get around it because that's going to determine where you, what are you eligible for? You know where's your eligibility. That I mean I mean off rip.

Speaker 1: 42:49

So yes, credit is a must and another question where do you see yourself in five years?

Speaker 3: 43:00

that's a good question, but see, here's the thing questions.

Speaker 2: 43:02

Those are adult questions that we all miss growing up right.

Speaker 3: 43:06

But here's the thing life is not guaranteed, so you only pretty much living for the moment, you know, saying you only can focus on it now, and trying to do what you can while you're here, because we don't know what five years may look like well, it's better.

Speaker 1: 43:22

What they say. Uh, proper planning prevents poor performance, right, proper, how they say it? Proper, proper planning. Proper planning is a saying about proper planning. So, even though you know life happens right, it's best to still have a plan intact, just in case. Now, let's say, if, let's say if you're moving through life and then you just so happen to stumble, at least you can pick up those pieces again and then go right back on a path that you set forth, because it's already organized to get to where you want to get to in five years. Maybe you get there in six years. You know what I'm saying. So you know planning is definitely extremely important. Any other questions? Okay, this is something I wanted to bring up Dating and courting. What are the differences?

Speaker 3: 44:21

Well, dating is basically like you getting to know an individual. That's all you're doing. You're getting to know an individual, you're getting to interact with them, and that's about it. Quarantine is similar, but it's a little different. That's when you kind of make your decision as to if you really want to spend your time with this person or be in a relationship with the individual. It's like you're going into the transition of being in a relationship.

Speaker 1: 44:50

Okay, okay.

Speaker 2: 44:52

You're pursuing that person, you're taking the unnecessary steps. I'm glad we're having this conversation because it took me time. I used to go to the dating thing. You know yourself but you really don't know yourself. That's pretty much energy You're pouring from an empty cup. You're putting yourself in the back burner for that person's joy. You learn from the shortcomings from that, because you're like I'm going to date myself just to make you happy. But how am I making myself happy?

Speaker 3: 45:19

Bingo.

Speaker 2: 45:21

Ron was a witness to that. You know what I'm saying. That time he saw me. That time he had jokes on me. It's all good, ron. He's like she came out the house looking like Ultimate Warrior. He's like what is that?

Speaker 1: 45:36

Yo, that was the day I realized you were with the wrong woman. As soon as I saw her, I said he's like why all that makeup?

Speaker 3: 45:49

I don't know why bro.

Speaker 2: 45:50

Yeah, he gave it to me. He's like why all that makeup? I was like I don't know why she does that, but definitely why she.

Speaker 1: 46:01

We're talking all about this because we're talking about relationships, polygamy, monogamy and things like that, and I, just, I personally, know for a fact that the so-called black family I like to say so-called, just to be politically correct for other people viewing um now, uh, for the, for the black family, I, I think that we need more detailed and fine tuned approach, you know, in dealing with each other in relationships and bringing families together, because we are all out of whack in that regard, in that regard, which would hence hence the reason why I think that our people are in the predicament we're in right now, because our family structure is no longer the way it was, no longer the way it was. So maybe polygamy could work for us or not. Maybe polygamy could work, I don't know, because I got to look at the, as the brother Rahim would say, the data first. I would have to look at the data to make that.

Speaker 3: 47:09

Fully is right. Mental health education is needed. Yes.

Speaker 1: 47:12

Say what.

Speaker 3: 47:14

Fully say mental health education is needed.

Speaker 2: 47:17

Mental health is important because the upbringing forms it, shapes your psyche and's like you and how you're approaching their life. Like you know, majority of us were up in their environment just just just based on survival. You didn't have time to, you know, really sit down and learn how to love, because nobody has a real. When people use that term love language, I don't follow that because I'm like there's no such thing as a love language. You may have different expressions, but there's no. Love is not expressed. It's not cookie cutter for every individual. You know people express it differently.

Speaker 1: 47:50

Well, here's the thing. That's the thing about love language, though. So I'm going to say that I don't want to. I don't want to necessarily say I disagree with you. I'm going to say that because I'm not as uh uh, I'm not as astute in that way of in that ideology right or that concept right of loving, but I do know a little bit about it. Let's say, love language is just like you know, different people have different love languages, like my love language. Maybe I need more touch, or or I need you know more, you know kind words and stuff like that. So I understand the concept of the love language thing. Because our people are so behind, we need more of a military or militarized, if you will, or organized, militant approach in dealing with relationships and going about marrying people and taking on partners.

Speaker 2: 49:01

Scary Tiffany.

Speaker 3: 49:03

Because I'm trying to figure out what because I'm trying to see, when you say militarized, how, what approach like how do you go about doing it in a militarized way, like what do you?

Speaker 1: 49:13

mean. Give me an example, exactly so. So I know that sounds like really extreme. What what I mean? What what I mean is, um, uh well, hold on, hold on one second. Hold on one second. I don't know if I should. I'm not going to say nothing. Look at the screen.

Speaker 3: 49:30

I see that.

Speaker 1: 49:31

I see that I don't know if you want to put that out there. Maybe you want to hit him up or something, I don't know nah, I mean I'm already dealing with someone right now, sorry, Now, what does Shawnee say? Shawnee saying what?

Speaker 3: 49:51

It's important to learn, whoever you are in a relationship with Love language that's it.

Speaker 1: 49:59

Whoever you're in a relationship with.

Speaker 3: 50:02

What type of militarized approach?

Speaker 1: 50:04

okay, so militarized approach, meaning like I don't I know that was kind of strong, that word, right uh, what I mean is it should be way more organized, okay, okay, okay, way more organized. Like it's nice to look at nice to look at a sister or brother. Pause, nice to look at a sister or brother. Paul, nice to look at a sister or brother and be like, okay, this person looks nice, but before we even get to, we already know you look nice, right. That's like looking at a really nice car, right, you see a really nice car, right. It looks great on the outside, but what's the engine like?

Speaker 3: 50:38

That part, that's the most important, yeah.

Speaker 2: 50:41

Because, if you move it, think that's so big you got to get a test drive.

Speaker 3: 50:46

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 50:46

Before it spins. But all right, let me rephrase that. The love language thing. I just I'm more into reality. I don't believe in fairy tales. You get what I'm saying. I mean personally where they at. I don't want to depict Like, I don't believe when couples say yo goals. They see a couple on television and say goals on social media because I'm like you don't know what happened behind closed doors. Create your own reality. You understand what I'm saying Love to understand what that person is that you're with, and I'm like I cannot put a present partner under the light of a past person. They should. You know vice versa, because you know vice versa, because you know I can't expect what I had in the past from you. We're different, right, right, you can hear me, tiff, I'm listening, she's listening.

Speaker 1: 51:33

Now I want to take it back to the car and what's in the engine piece? Right? So, like, what I'm saying is as a people in North America. You know we have a lot of people from the African diaspora here, so we have Haitian, african-american, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, right. So I'm going to, I'm going to generalize and put us all in one one boat or pocket, right, right.

Speaker 1: 52:04

So, as a people, let's say we're in America, right, and we want a whole new approach. Right, because this whole family structure, in the way it is right now, is just not working. Relationships are not working. So we need, I think, a book To help us, a book, classes to help us, classes to help us. So a psychologist who's not compromised who's bunny hopping, who's bunny hopping, right, a psychologist who's not bunny hopping, someone who's really deep in handling Black people and their relationships men and women relationships, heterosexual relationships and a book to go with it, classes and, you know, very detailed approach in handling relationships, in order for us to change things around in the Black family. And we change things in a Black family, we change things in a black family, we change things in the community overall oh, definitely, and I can go so far as that.

Speaker 3: 53:06

We need right of passage um and I think it's part of what you meant by militarized. Yeah, so it's come to think about it, right of passage, yeah, um, we really I always say that because, you know, as you enter into manhood, womanhood, especially when you're a teenager, right because? And when you're a teenager, you're going into that transition. That know, as you enter into manhood, womanhood, especially when you're a teenager, right because, and when you're a teenager, you're going into that transition that's when you should be more prepared. And we also gotta learn home economics. Home economics is us, um, in our, in our community. It's needed, you know. I'm saying because, if you talk about starting a family, you have to be able to know the basis of things, not only just know how to cook and clean, but knowing about credit and how to maintain a good credit and whatnot, how to be able to maintain a checkbook, take care of mortgage, et cetera, things like that. So, and also, there needs to be parents in class, like that Also, there needs to be parents in class. There needs to be parents in class. I mean, you know, if you're going to become a parent, you got to be able to know how to be a parent. What does it mean when you're dealing with a child, because the child is going to go through a phase and you're going to go through that phase with a child as well. So they're going.

Speaker 3: 54:26

When you have kids, they become very curious about a lot of things. They might tend to wander around, they tend to get into stuff. They're going to have a natural. They're going to be naturally rebellious towards you as a parent. They're going to be naturally rebellious towards you as a parent. So how do you go about dealing with that? How do you go about knowing how to deal with a child that may become rebellious and how do you prepare for that? Then, also, you might have a child that has certain type of conditions, such as autism, you know, or any other condition, any other mental health issues. So how do you approach the situation, dealing with a child who may have autism or any other you know mental health situation going on? How do you deal with that?

Speaker 1: 55:15

So Right, we. I think we, as a people, we just need, we need to be, we need to go back to class. Everybody yeah, we need, we need to be. That's why you know the nation of Islam's I don't want to say, I'm going to say the nation of Islam's structure.

Speaker 3: 55:38

Islam's structure.

Speaker 1: 55:41

That's why I think it's important for us to have a structure like that, where brothers and sisters can come in, separate the men and women, because the men will learn faster and more efficiently that way, and so will the women. Other men will hold them.

Speaker 2: 56:03

Other men Say what Accountable Exactly, They'll learn from other men that keep them accountable. Like there's a book that Not the Country of Wisdom Nuri Muhammad has it's called Before I Say I Do and I read a lot of things in that book before getting married Because I'm a keeper.

Speaker 2: 56:17

I was married before and I was like 23, 24. Yeah, because I was doing the right thing and having a daughter. Whatever the case may be, my pops was trying to instruct me, to learn from his errors that he made. It's not always the proper way of doing it, but I got the idea. It should have dropped more gems along the way. What marriage means as a young man? It comes with age. We can come with age, but what's also important, as Ron's saying, not only organized, but you've got to have a support and circle for that. There has to be a community involved.

Speaker 1: 56:53

Well, that's the whole thing. What I'm saying is now, watch this. Now, let's say, tomorrow, this project family fixing, if you will, and we implemented this all over the country Right, then I would say, in the next 10, 20 years It'll be, we'll have that family, we'll have that family structure, we'll have the dads, we'll have the grandparents and everybody around, because our family structure is already fixed Right. The relationships are going well between, you know, male and female, and all of that because we have all these new instructions and ways of going about things. Now, hold on a second, Got it Hopping off? Yeah, you know, I think that implementing a more organized system surrounding relationships would change our people's direction or trajectory, like tenfold, you know. But you know, we, we, we. I think it was important to have this discussion, even though we kind of veered off of polygamy. And the whole point is you know, how can we be polygamous, right, polygamy, polygamous right now, with the, the damage we have mentally? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 58:17

So, I would just.

Speaker 1: 58:19

I would just end off with that. Tiffany, thank you for coming out this evening. We really appreciate you. We, we want to. We want to make Tiffany a regular, like we have Sharif on every week. Uh, tiffany to me is, um, uh, a beacon of light. You know uh, especially uh, being a sister. You know, uh of her caliber. You know who's who's who's. You know, especially being a sister. You know of her caliber. You know who's who's who's. You know black power and knows her stuff. You know what I'm saying. I haven't seen a younger sister like this and I don't know how long. She's like a diamond in the rough. She's a diamond in the rough are an Afro-puff.

Speaker 1: 58:56

I would like for her to become one of the sisters out there and her name get big Definitely.

Speaker 3: 59:13

Thank you. Thank you for having me on here. I really enjoyed this conversation. I enjoyed speaking on this. I want to share something. I always like to share some books. I got a book I want to share, if y'all don't mind.

Speaker 2: 59:25

Yeah, sure.

Speaker 3: 59:26

All right, then Let me go get it.

Speaker 2: 59:30

That's a fact. What you said, man. It's time to heal the so-called black family, man, because you got young people out there and not excluding ourselves that they can see a family that's on the brink of falling apart, and you get advice from people who don't have a family structure themselves or who are miserable, will not give you proper advice. It will just add more fuel to the flame and make things worse. Yes, sir, you understand. So, as they say, you stick around people. If you have a married couple, stick around people that aren't married, that has a successful marriage. That's going to give you the property.

Speaker 1: 1:00:08

Yeah, but you know what she said. Sully said yeah, she adds value.

Speaker 2: 1:00:15

Yeah, sully, don't be afraid too, sully, you got to come up here, man, so where's she from?

Speaker 1: 1:00:20

Brooklyn BK and I.

Speaker 2: 1:00:23

I think Queens.

Speaker 1: 1:00:25

Queens, at least she's from the five boroughs.

Speaker 2: 1:00:32

What's up, what's up.

Speaker 3: 1:00:34

Sue Okay. So, here's the book that I'd like to recommend. It's called Safe to Love Understanding vulnerability to manipulation Exploring the factors that make us susceptible, by Kitty Rose. Oh, you probably can't see. Hold on, I don't think y'all can really see it.

Speaker 1: 1:00:53

Safe to Love, kitty Rose, you said.

Speaker 3: 1:00:56

Yeah, kitty, rose, kitty, hold on, let me see if I can change my screen out real quick. Let me change my background.

Speaker 1: 1:01:10

Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:01:11

You got it.

Speaker 3: 1:01:13

Can't you see it?

Speaker 2: 1:01:14

Yeah, safe to Love.

Speaker 3: 1:01:16

Okay, yeah, it's called Safe to Love by Kitty rose. Uh, so kitty rose is one of the sisters. She's on this platform called tonight's conversation, which I think is a great platform. I recommend people to watch it. Um, they they be on youtube, but they have their own app so they have like an event every like. Well, they travel to different places and so they always host live events and they always have conversation about relationships, about men and women, et cetera, and she's one of those individuals.

Speaker 3: 1:01:58

I personally like this woman. I like what she's teaching. I think she does a great job putting out information, whatnot. So I recommend this book.

Speaker 3: 1:02:08

And also, africana woman is a literary theory by clonora hudson williams. Okay, so I don't hope y'all can see that. Yep, yeah, so this was. She really goes into the importance of the family dynamic and how important it is for the woman to be able to work on her care, to work on herself and just build on the foundation. Be that foundation for the community. Okay, also, there's another book that was written by her African Womanism Reclaiming Ourselves. Okay, gotcha, yeah, all right.

Speaker 3: 1:02:57

Then, of course, some of bell hooks. So this one, this one, touched me right here. I have shared this one before. It's called the Will to Change Men, masculinity and Love by Bell Hooks. So in this book she really goes in about how to understand men and how we should we as women men, and how we, as in women, should be able to provide space for men to actually be more expressive and be more comfortable in their masculinity. She speaks on the stereotype and the social stigma that has been placed on men by society, by patriarchal society and whatnot. The interesting thing is Belle Hook was a feminist. She was a feminist, however. However, however, she had received a lot of criticism from her other feminist counterpart because her position on men and she showed that she had so much support for me. But they felt like, oh well, you're kind of like being a traitor, an agent. We don't welcome men in this space.

Speaker 1: 1:04:09

I don't mean to cut you off, tiff, oh, okay. Okay, I don't mean to cut you off. I'm so sorry man, you got to bring those books. Next one we got a podcast coming on in one minute. Oh, okay, my bad. Sorry about that, tiff. We'll catch you on the next one. Peace to everybody in the chat. Peace to everybody. We're about to talk about the science of credit right now. Oh, okay. See you in 45 seconds. Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:04:40

Peace. I'll tell my pungo.