041: How Taryn Kern's Mental Preparation is Paying Off in the WCWS

Our episode this week features a guest speaker interview we did in August of 2023 with Taryn Kern. Taryn was a standout freshman player for Indiana University in 2023 and helped lead her team to one of the best seasons in program history, including a deep run in the Women's College World Series. When we spoke to her, she had just transferred to Stanford University and was getting ready to play closer to home. Taryn has been a student of the mental game for years and in our interview she talks about how mental skills training prepared her for the big moments on the biggest stages.

Episode Highlights

• What Zoom recruitment was like
• Mental Skills Taryn used to help her team in the WCWS
• How to lead as an underclassman
• What coaches are looking for in recruiting

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Instagram: @tarynkernn

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

Welcome to the fearless warrior podcast, a place for athletes, coaches and parents who know the value of a strong mindset. I'm your host, coach AB, a mental performance coach on a mission, former softball coach, wife and mom of three. Each episode, we will dive deep into all things mental performance, mindset tools and how to rewire the brain for success. So if your goal is to gain the mental edge and learn the secrets of mental performance, mindset tools and how to rewire the brain for success, so if your goal is to gain the mental edge and learn the secrets of mental performance, you're in the right place. Let's tune in to today's episode.

Speaker 2: 0:40

Hello Fearless fam, coach Kara here For today's episode. We decided to re-air our guest speaker call from August of 2023 with Taryn Kern. If you've been watching the Women's College World Series, which I hope you are, you'll recognize Taryn as an outstanding player for Stanford University. Last year, taryn was a main factor in helping Indiana University make a deep run in the playoffs and she credits her success both last year and this year to her mental training. So as you watch the Women's College World Series and see Taryn and other players who seem to always be able to deliver in clutch moments, remember they didn't get there overnight and they likely had to put in years of work on their mental game as well as their physical game. So keep that in mind as you listen to this interview with Taryn Kern, as she tells us how her work on the mental game helped her help her team in the Women's College World Series. All right, hello ladies, hi girls, good evening. Tonight. I you guys haven't seen my face all that much unless you were at the retreat, but I'm Coach Kara and I've been in charge of the guest speakers for quite a while now, getting them booked and things like that. But usually it's Coach AB on these calls, but I'm going to be taking more of the reins on these guest speaking calls in the future for a little while. So I'm excited to be here with you guys tonight and get to listen to our awesome guest speaker who came to speak. So we are going to hear tonight from Taryn Kern and she.

Speaker 2: 2:13

She was a just finished up her freshman year at Indiana University. She had a stellar. All the stats tell that she had just one of the best years that you could ever imagine as a freshman. She was named the Big Ten Player of the Year as well as Big Ten Freshman of the Year. She broke three single season records at Indiana for home runs, rbis and runs scored in her freshman year. So that's a big deal that she was able to do.

Speaker 2: 2:39

All that and she helped lead Indiana to one of their best seasons in their history, according to you know a lot of the websites. So and I actually I decided that I wanted Taryn to come speak to you ladies tonight because when I was watching her team play in the run up to the World Series, one of the times when she came up to play, the announcers could not stop talking about how, when they had spoken to Taryn before plate. The announcers could not stop talking about how, when they had spoken to Taryn before that, she had told them how important her mental game was to her success and how vital it was that she had these mental tools. We could not have anyone better to come talk to you tonight about her experiences.

Speaker 3: 3:21

So I'm going to go ahead. She said I'm Taryn, I'm 19 years old almost 20, and I played at Indiana last year and I'm from San Jose, california, which I'm not sure where you guys are all from, but that's near like San Francisco area. This year I'm actually transferring to Stanford to play there for my next three years. But yeah, I just wanted to come on here talk a little bit about my journey as a player.

Speaker 3: 3:50

I've been playing for a long time, since I was like five or six years old and, just like you guys, I'm sure I grew up, you know, hitting with my dad. We have a cage in our backyard, um, and the biggest thing that I took away from this past year really was just, yeah, like how much the mental game can impact you and impact your success on the field. Because, if you think about it, you know when you're hitting like you really don't need to have a good swing to get a hit. You don't need, you know, to hit it that hard. It just is really about chance. So, just always believing in yourself, um, and being able to bounce back you know you don't get a hit one at bat being able to come up the next at bat and have the same mindset and the same approach, right, but yeah, I just I'm excited to talk to you guys and, um answer some questions all right.

Speaker 2: 4:41

So why don't you, why don't you kind of give us your, your, your background in the game? You said you started playing young. How young were you when you started playing, and what positions?

Speaker 3: 4:52

Yeah, so I mostly I pitched when I was younger, but I'm an infielder now. And yeah, I grew up playing. I was about five or six when I started. I played at Archbishop Middy High School, where Hannah played. And yeah, I was an infielder at Indiana and I will be at Stanford also.

Speaker 2: 5:13

That's awesome. All right you were. You were talking to me a little bit about your unique experience getting recruited and how that all went. It was a little bit different than most people maybe in their process, so can you kind of walk us through like that part of your story and and how it impacted?

Speaker 3: 5:29

you? Yeah, well, when I went to high school, I knew that I wanted to play in college because I love softball so much and I wanted to play at the next level. Um, and I'm not sure if you guys know, but your junior year of high school is when you can start talking to coaches, and my junior year of high school ended up being 2021, which was during COVID so basically all of my recruiting happened online. So I was talking to the coaches like we are on the Zoom call, which was pretty crazy. And when I got recruited by Indiana, I never actually went to the school before I committed, just because of the times, which I don't recommend now for you girls.

Speaker 2: 6:06

But and so how do you, how do you think that impacted like that whole process for you, like, was it what you imagined? Or like, how did you deal with, maybe, the disappointment of not getting to go on like recruiting trips or you know the things that you probably heard other people go and do, that you probably heard other people go and do?

Speaker 3: 6:23

No, yeah, it was hard and it was a sad moment because a lot of people look forward to those recruiting trips where you get to visit each school and get a feel for what you're gonna get in college. And I didn't get to do that right, I just had to do all the virtual tours online. So having to do that through Zoom and through websites, it was hard. But COVID affected a lot of things. So just yeah, mentally being able to just know that you know, at some point I was going to be able to get on the fields and everything was going to work out.

Speaker 2: 6:56

Yeah, that's awesome. And then talk about talk about this last season that you had, talk about what it was like to come in as a freshman on a team and then to I mean, you led your team in the end. How was that? Doing that as an underclassman and what was the experience like?

Speaker 3: 7:14

Yeah, well, coming in as a freshman, you're playing with girls that are a lot older than you, so it is kind of scary at the beginning and you start to ask yourself these questions, like you know am I going to be good enough? Am I going to be as good as these older girls, which everyone asks themselves? Right, and that's part of that mental pump that you have to overcome. Um, and just, you know, staying true to yourself and believing in yourself, because I came in, I had no idea what it was going to be like and I ended up making a name for myself right on my team. Um, but yeah, just coming in as a younger player and just having to work hard and prove myself, um, but yeah, it all worked out and, you know, the older girls aren't as scary as you think most of the time yeah, um, and then what was what was playoffs like?

Speaker 2: 8:01

what was that experience like? Being able to go so deep, make such a deep run when really not many people expected that of your team. What was that like?

Speaker 3: 8:08

definitely yeah, um, it was awesome for our team to make it that far. We hadn't made it to postseason in like 20 years, I think, so it was awesome, and that was one of those times, uh, my freshman year. I really had to learn how to overcome the external pressure If it came to like the records. You know when I was like one home run away from beating the record, not being in my at-bats, thinking about, oh, when am I going to break this home run or record? Am I going to break it Like? Is it going to be this time? I got to break it now, you know. So, just really learning to stay true to myself, regardless if there is a record over here or we're in playoffs and it's on TV, you know, wanting my family to see me play good, just to really always stay true to yourself in those moments is how you grow.

Speaker 2: 8:57

Yeah, what helped you do that? How did you, how did you not think about those like records and things? What tools did you use to be able to put those things off?

Speaker 3: 9:09

Yeah, well, to be honest, at first it really did start to affect me and I was thinking about it and then that's when I saw myself not playing so good, you know, getting caught up in those things, um, but I think, really just being able to talk to my family about those things and talk them out, um, and use my resources in college if that was, yeah, family or friends or people I trusted to kind of talk about it and they were able to help me gain some perspective, like it's not the end of the world if you don't hit a home run in this game or next game or the next game, things like that.

Speaker 2: 9:40

That's great having those people in your corner. That that you knew would support you yeah, definitely. But is corner that that you knew would support you? Yeah, definitely. But is there anything else that you wanted to share before we kind of open it up to the girls for whatever questions they have?

Speaker 3: 9:53

Yeah, I would just say that. The last thing I want to share just about softball in general, is softball is such an awesome sport because it's a safe place where you can fail, but everything's still going to be okay. You know you can have the worst game ever and you can still go about your life and everything's going to be fine. You know you're still going to be disappointed, but it's just such an awesome place to learn these life lessons. Um, and just put yourself out there 100%, regardless of what ends up happening.

Speaker 2: 10:21

Awesome, cool. Thank you, girls. If you have any questions, feel free to unmute and ask, or if you want to put it in the chat, then we can ask Taryn some questions. Doors open right, Taryn, they can ask whatever they want.

Speaker 3: 10:37

Yes, whatever you guys want.

Speaker 2: 10:41

It doesn't even have to be about softball, yeah.

Speaker 4: 10:44

Bonus points if it's not about softball, yeah bonus points.

Speaker 2: 10:46

All right, he's got questions for him. You guys have to have questions about the zoom recruiting man. That's such a weird process, I'm sure. I know yeah, isabel, you got something uh, what do you?

Speaker 4: 10:59

what helps you like, um like, if you get nervous, what helps you like not be nervous?

Speaker 3: 11:06

yeah, that's a good question and that's something that, even though I play in college, I always get nervous before games, every single game I get really nervous. So I actually have a routine, um, before my at-bats and I do my routine every time and in my routine I take a really big, deep breath, yeah, just like believe myself, like I kind of think and I'm just like and I close my eyes and then I'm like ready. So a big thing for me, like a physical thing, I'd say, with just breathing whenever you get nervous, just taking big, long, deep breaths, and it kind of calms yourself down and slows your heart rate down to Good question Thanks, there's some in the chat. What is your favorite? Yeah, we got a couple. Thanks, there's some in the chat. What is your favorite? Yeah, we got a couple. Oh, that's a good question.

Speaker 3: 11:57

I'm so indecisive, so this is really hard for me to pick my favorite food. I love sushi. Sushi is one of the favorites, and the other one I don't know if this counts, but I love ice cream. Ice cream is my favorite too. Okay, where do you live? Live, I live in California, northern California, san Jose. What's your favorite meal to eat before big games? Good question again. I have lots of favorite meals. Steak that sounds really good. I'll have to try that next time, but I actually I always love. I don't know if you guys have ever had those strawberry refreshers from Starbucks. I used to get one every single time before a game and that's not like a meal, but I would always come into the clubhouse with my strawberry refresher and it's like my like I'm ready for the game now After I have my refresher.

Speaker 2: 12:52

I have another question for you. So the the, what, what would you say your identity is outside of softball, like, what are some other things about you outside of softball?

Speaker 3: 13:02

Yeah, that's a great question. I think that's something that it's really hard to get lost in sometimes, like you spend so much time playing softball and so much time doing extra work practice that you know it's hard to find yourself outside of that, and it was hard for me this past year, but it really helped me just hanging out with friends and not talking about softball at all, even if my other friends played softball just going to do fun things. I love to travel, I love to bake. Yeah, I love talking to my friends on the phone. So just like putting my energy into those other relationships, other relationships in my life, um was, yeah, really good for me.

Speaker 2: 13:43

Do you have other hobbies outside of softball time? For other hobbies?

Speaker 3: 13:47

yeah, I do like to bake. I love baking cupcakes. Cupcake wars was my favorite show as a kid, so that was one of my things. Yeah, and like traveling, I definitely say like even little road trips. Oh, I think there was another question in the chat. Oh, yeah, what helps you stay in routine and remember to do extra drills outside of practice? What got you motivated to do them? And do you play any other sports? Okay, I'll ask the first or I'll answer the first one first.

Speaker 3: 14:14

So, um, this past year, you know, I, just before the whole season started, I made a goal for myself and my goal was to hit every single day coming into season. So after practice, I would just go at night and if that meant I just went, got my ice cream and then I hit, um, I just go do my drills every single day. So that was just something in my head, like I just knew I was going to do every day, no matter what happened, right. But I would say, like tips for that, yeah, just making a goal for yourself. Or sitting down, um, at the beginning of the month and saying, okay, my goal this week is I'm going to do softball every Tuesday and Thursday, I'm going to do, if that means short hops in your garage or just some teamwork into the bow net, but just like even writing those things down or putting them on your calendar Because, like, even for me, you know, I'll be like, yeah, I'll work out like four times this week and then by the end of the week I'm like shoot, I forgot. So, just like writing those things down, um, and yeah, like making goals for yourself too. And what got me motivated? I'd say like just wanting to be the best player I could, because softball only lasts so long.

Speaker 3: 15:29

Um, do I play any other sports? I don't, but I I don't competitively, but I do love playing other sports, like, I love playing beach volleyball with my friends. It's my favorite. And I did play soccer growing up, um, all the way into high school, but I had to end up just doing one sport just because it became a lot. Okay, what is your game day routine? Good question Well, I like to sleep in, if possible, on game days. I'm not a morning person, so I like to sleep in. And then, of course, on the way to the field, I get my strawberry refresher from Starbucks every single time. And, yeah, I like to warm up before I go to the game just to get loose and I also like to spend a little bit of time by myself, just like getting prepared and kind of centered and just ready, so I'm not so nervous.

Speaker 3: 16:24

Favorite ice cream flavor Ooh, good question, I don't know if you guys have ever been. There's this place called Salt and Straw and they have really funky flavors. Like there's one flavor, it's like olive oil. It's kind of crazy, but my favorite flavor would have to be lavender. It's really good. Good question, though. I love ice cream. Oh, or, I have to add Dole Whip, if you guys have ever had that. It's like the pineapple salt soft serve, my favorite.

Speaker 5: 16:51

I have a question, my favorite. I have a question here. Hi, taryn, good to see you. Yeah, you too, um, okay, so obviously we're all human, so we all make mistakes, we all go through struggles in life, we all have certain obstacles that we face. Um, tell us about. I obviously you've talked about like some struggles, um, kind of briefly, or just like things that you've worked through and, um, how have you seen those skills that you used during, you know those high pressure situations or the situations where you're like not having a great game and you need to bounce back? Um, how have you noticed those skills in softball transferred to other parts of your life, like maybe you're dealing with, you have conflict with friends, or you're having like school troubles or like all the other realms of our life outside of softball? How have you seen the mental tools and the skills that you use in softball transfer to your life skills as well?

Speaker 3: 17:57

Yeah, totally. I would say the biggest one is like learning how to overcome failure. So I would say that, yeah, that transfers to my life. If that means you know, I got a really bad grade on the test and I studied really hard and I just got to the test day and I got a terrible night's rest of sleep and I just got there and I just totally got stumped and I got a terrible grade, I'd say like learning how to just bounce back from that and be like you know what. We all make mistakes, we all mess up in life. I prepared really hard and I still didn't get the result I wanted, but this next test I'm going to work even harder and I'm going to bounce back.

Speaker 3: 18:39

Yeah, that means you mentioned like conflict with friends. That's an interesting one. I'd say like, yeah, yeah, just learning how to overcome those issues and kind of face them head on with your friends. If that means just like talking about it and getting through it and moving through it, you know that's a really good skill to learn being able to confront people and have mature conversations with each other, I'd say that's another one. There's so many, there's so many things in selfball. You learn it also. Yeah, it teaches you how to just work hard in general. You know it doesn't have to be athletically, but if that means work hard in school, work hard in other sports, work hard for your family doing your chores things like that.

Speaker 5: 19:28

Something else that came up that I was thinking about is like, what about leadership?

Speaker 5: 19:31

Like, obviously you're one of the youngest girls and players on the team. A lot of the time, we think of leadership as like this big person who it's not all about them, but it's just this big, like leader and they're all like, they're all talk, or they're the ones that are intentionally doing things like what have you learned about leadership, even as the the young, like one of the youngest players as a team, and then like again yeah, that's in the softball realm, but like, have you? What have you learned about yourself too, outside of softball, within leadership?

Speaker 3: 20:04

yeah. So leadership is something huge about softball that you learn um, I've learned so much about it growing up to now in college. I'd say one thing I learned about the way I like to lead. I like to lead by example. So you know, if that means at practice being the hardest worker so that my teammates see that and then they follow, and that works both ways. When I see someone being the hardest worker and I'm not working so hard, I'm like, oh, they're doing the drill that way, like I want to follow, and then everyone kind of ends up following. That's one awesome way to lead.

Speaker 3: 20:37

Another way is also just connecting with your teammates off the field. That way, when you're on the field, you have those personal relationships and you say things and they respect what you're saying. So, yeah, just making sure to, regardless of what team I'm on you know you're not going to be best friends with every single girl on the team. That would be the best possible situation, but I've never had that happen but just making sure that you know you get touches on everybody. And if that is just, you know, a quick like hey, how are you at practice, or you want to play catch with someone new today, type of thing, but just making sure that, yeah, you're connecting with everyone on the team, not just one or two girls.

Speaker 2: 21:16

Yeah, another question in the in the chat saying asking what's one of the biggest things coaches are looking for in a good softball player.

Speaker 3: 21:25

That is a good question, I would say. Whenever I went to camps, they were always talking about being a good teammate, regardless of your skills. They said that because you know you go to a camp and or a game. You only have a few opportunities to do good, really in a softball game, so coaches are always looking for girls that are good teammates.

Speaker 3: 21:48

If you just struck out, it's how you walk back to the dugout and talk to your teammates. Are you rolling your eyes and talk to your teammates? Are you rolling your eyes and throwing your bat, or are you giving everyone high fives as you come in the dugout and cheering on the next girl to pick you up? Those types of things I'd say like also being a vocal teammate on the field. You know you're playing the field and your pitchers working her butt off, being the loudest one out there cheering her on the whole time. Those are things that, regardless of your performance, you can always control and coaches will always notice those things. So, yeah, even if you have a bad day and you're the loudest one on the field and the best teammate, I guarantee that they'll notice those things.

Speaker 2: 22:31

I think those are huge. That like upbeat personality, not necessarily like a fake upbeat, but just like someone who's enjoying what they're doing playing the game. Yeah. Happy to be there enjoying their teammates. I think that does go a long way. I think you're right.

Speaker 3: 22:46

Yeah, and definitely to like enjoying your teammates but also being excited for them when they succeed, because they're excited for you when you succeed right. So it goes both ways. If you get out and the next girl gets on and picks you up, you should be double as excited that she just helps you out right and help the team out. So any other questions?

Speaker 5: 23:05

What are you most looking forward to, as you're, like, transferring to a new school? I mean, you're going back home, you're going to be at Stanford, so what like I guess this is going to be a two-parter question what are you most looking forward to? And if you want to share with us, like, do you have any big goals that you are like setting for yourself, either this season or, like for the rest of your softball career too?

Speaker 3: 23:28

Yeah, good questions. Okay, I'm looking forward to most being closer to home. I miss California. And also to just be around like some of the just immediately makes you better, because you always have to keep working harder and harder to you know, fit in with the team, to be good like everybody else. So, just to work hard and everyone else around you is working hard. I'm excited for that environment. I'm excited for, academically, to be at Stanford and to just like get that amazing education, to meet some awesome people, even like outside of softball just some students, um, and, yeah, to be close to home represent my area, lots of things.

Speaker 3: 24:24

And then for the second part, big goals. I haven't sat down and made my goals list yet. I'm actually doing that tomorrow. But, um, I would say that you know it's easy for me personally to look at that. It's like a lot of pressure, like I had a really good freshman year, like now I have to be better. Like everyone's expecting me to be this good again and like to, you know, be up there, lead the nation home runs, things like that. Um, but just to see that more as like an opportunity and that's like one of the ways I've grown mentally the most this past season, like to see someone once told me that, like, pressure is a privilege because if people didn't think you could do it, there would be no pressure on you. So it's when you're in these moments and everyone's like she's good enough to do this, can she? So, like, looking at pressure in a different way has really helped me. But, yeah, I would say I did make a goal.

Speaker 3: 25:20

I do want to break the Stanford home run record. It's 21. So I would do want to break that sometime in my career. Thanks, girl, how many do you get this year? 23. Oh, nice, but I do. The Stanford field is also pretty big, like considerably large, for like one of the biggest fields around, so that will make it a little harder.

Speaker 3: 25:45

But, yeah, just want to break the home run record. And then, obviously, I do want to be an All-American again this year, which, like those goals, are hard because a lot of those things are out of your control, because it's based on you know who they pick. You can have the best season ever and they still don't pick you right Based on what school do you go to or what region you're in. So, yeah, just excited to get back out there and just do my best. Yeah, any other questions, ladies?

Speaker 3: 26:14

I would say too, too, while you guys are thinking of more questions, just to add on to that, one thing that was hard for me last year, the freshman, was I was playing really good on the softball field, but I was not doing really good outside of the softball field in life, and like I was letting those things affect me, like when I had a bad game, I was letting it affect me all day, and so I really had to learn how to grow from that and, even if I had a bad game, still be happy with myself as a person. Um, so that's, like I'd say, another goal for me going into this year. I want to, you know, be the best player I can be, but not at the cost of my own, you know, mental health and my own happiness.

Speaker 2: 26:59

So I'm just to make it more clear for these girls, because I'm sure every girl on here has had that experience where a bad game, a bad tournament, a bad weekend effects rolls over into their next day or their next hours of life. What, what did you do to try and reverse that? Or what were some habits that you developed or some tools that you used to get rid of that? Yeah, that's a good question yeah, some tools.

Speaker 3: 27:20

I would say just you know, doing the things I love and just remembering that like I'm still deserving of doing these things, even if I have a bad game. I'm still deserving of getting Starbucks in the morning. That's my favorite little thing to do on the way to class, even if I had a bad game this weekend or I didn't perform, and just there's always another weekend to go out there and go get it Right. So, just that week just working extra hard to be better, and yeah, just it really. It really just does take like within yourself remembering that you're still good enough, even if you don't perform softball wise. And once you do figure those things out, they stick with you, you know it's. It sticks with you for a long time, even outside of sports.

Speaker 2: 28:05

so any other questions, girls. We haven't had the injury question. The girls often like to ask have you ever had any major injuries?

Speaker 3: 28:14

yeah, my, I actually haven't knock on wood yeah, yeah, those are, those are definitely hard um, but those are also really good learning experiences. I don't wish that upon anybody. But yeah, just learning mentally how to get through those all right, last call, ladies, last call. We're getting close to our time limit here even if it's not softball, it can be anything. You guys want to see my dog. This is the guy.

Speaker 2: 28:46

Oh, look at him something that also probably brings you joy outside of softball yes, and I'm so happy to be closer to home.

Speaker 3: 28:53

I can see my dog. That's good. Yeah, oh one last question.

Speaker 2: 28:59

Go for it.

Speaker 4: 29:01

What helps you like? Let's say like. What helps you not get mad? Let's say like you are so mad at yourself and like you couldn't like get out of, like your like upset, like madness, like you could, it was just so hard for you to like pick up on it and like, not like, um, what is it like? Not trying to think of the word not like, get?

Speaker 3: 29:27

let it carry over into like the rest of the game, or yeah, that's a really good question and honestly, that's something that I still battle but I've gotten a lot better at really like my biggest tip is like breathing and just like big, deep breaths.

Speaker 3: 29:42

It just really helps me release. Or sometimes I just need to like let it all out and I know you can't do this in the game, but like screaming into my pillow or just yeah, you really just have to remember that it's going to be okay. You know, I know in the moment like it's hard, but just really trying to remember that like you got this the next time. And that means talking to your teammate. That helps me a lot. Like talking to my parents or my teammates in the middle of the game, like gosh, I'm so frustrated, and then your teammate can be like it's okay, you got this, like we'll help you, we'll pick you up and you're gonna get this next one. So I think, yeah, breathing and then being able to talk to my family and friends and teammates about it too questions in the chat.

Speaker 2: 30:28

Those are gonna be the last two, so let.

Speaker 3: 30:30

Taryn go. My dog is an Australian Labradoodle and his name is Mojo. And do I like cats or dogs better? That's really hard for me. I know a lot of people are dog people but I can't choose because I used to have two cats also and I love cats, so I'd say I'm both dogs and cats. Can't, can't pick the sides.

Speaker 2: 30:53

Yes, the animals All right. Well, thank you so much, taryn, for coming, and joining us tonight.

Speaker 3: 30:59

Awesome Thanks, girls. Have a good night Awesome. Bye, girls.