When the cleats are finally hung up, what becomes of a gridiron gladiator grappling with the aftermath of concussions? Jordan Reed, an NFL titan turned advocate, joins us alongside Brant McCartney, a man who transformed personal tragedy into the proactive 38 Challenge initiative. Their stories, carved from a profound sense of purpose, resonate throughout our conversation – a candid exploration into the complex world of mental illness and traumatic brain injuries, offering solace and support to those in similar battles.
Facing the invisible opponent of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) head-on, we strip away the misconceptions surrounding traumatic brain injuries. It's a sobering reality check that even one concussion can significantly impact one's life, a risk doubled with the threat of suicide looming in the aftermath. Through anecdotes and respect, we illuminate the sacrifice of athletes and military personnel who encounter such risks, underscoring the importance of education and a cultural shift in understanding and managing TBIs.
As we thread the path of continuous improvement and mutual respect, Jordan and Brant highlight the parallel between military precision and life's serendipitous connections. Melding the philosophy of personal growth with community uplift, our exchange elevates the conversation to one of deeper understanding and shared narratives. And while we take a brief pause, the promise of diving deeper into the treatments that have shaped their lives persists, ready to be unfurled in the continuation of our discussion. Stay with us for a journey that's as insightful as it is essential.
When the cleats are finally hung up, what becomes of a gridiron gladiator grappling with the aftermath of concussions? Jordan Reed, an NFL titan turned advocate, joins us alongside Brant McCartney, a man who transformed personal tragedy into the proactive 38 Challenge initiative. Their stories, carved from a profound sense of purpose, resonate throughout our conversation – a candid exploration into the complex world of mental illness and traumatic brain injuries, offering solace and support to those in similar battles.
Facing the invisible opponent of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) head-on, we strip away the misconceptions surrounding traumatic brain injuries. It's a sobering reality check that even one concussion can significantly impact one's life, a risk doubled with the threat of suicide looming in the aftermath. Through anecdotes and respect, we illuminate the sacrifice of athletes and military personnel who encounter such risks, underscoring the importance of education and a cultural shift in understanding and managing TBIs.
As we thread the path of continuous improvement and mutual respect, Jordan and Brant highlight the parallel between military precision and life's serendipitous connections. Melding the philosophy of personal growth with community uplift, our exchange elevates the conversation to one of deeper understanding and shared narratives. And while we take a brief pause, the promise of diving deeper into the treatments that have shaped their lives persists, ready to be unfurled in the continuation of our discussion. Stay with us for a journey that's as insightful as it is essential.
All right, we are back here with not the press podcast, and I have two very awesome guests tonight. Before I introduce them, though, I just want to say that their cause is something that's close to my heart and it's something that, um, I think is one of the best causes out there, because there's not a lot of hope, there's not a whole lot of people out there that do something about something. What they do is a bitch and they do nothing about it, and they complain. And, uh, these two guys are doing something about it. They're not bitching, um, they're out there trying to help people. Um, so I'm going to so I'm going to introduce the guests here.
Speaker 1:
We've got Jordan Reed, former NFL player, but you know what? He was a great football player, played for Florida. He was an arch nemesis of Ohio State, I can tell you that, but he was one of the greats, and that's not the greatest thing he's done, though. The greatest thing he's done is what he's doing right now. And his partner here, brant McCartney. He is also doing something amazing. He's building up a nonprofit. That is something that is driving people to get better, and it's not just talk, it's action, it's 100% action, and they're going to talk a little bit about what you know, who they are, where they come from. In the first segment second segment we're going to get into what their cause is and it's gonna be pretty amazing. So, without further ado, jordan, we'll go over to you, man, if you give a little brief introduction to yourself a little bit, and we'll go from there. We'll go around the table.
Speaker 2:
Thanks a lot for that intro guy, I appreciate that man.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, man, yeah. So Jordan Reed from New Britain, connecticut, played football at London High School in Connecticut and was a quarterback back in the day, and then, back in high school, got to play well enough in high school, got a scholarship to the University of Florida and halfway through my career there switched to tight end. I felt like I had a better shot getting to the league and having a longer, prolonged career at tight end, so made that transition and got drafted to the Washington Redskins in the third round of the 2012-2013 draft. And you know.
Speaker 2:
I had a solid career man. I played well early on, broke some records, set some franchise records set some NFL records Made. A Pro Bowl during that time was sponsored by Air Jordan. At one point was the highest paid NFL tight end. So you know, I accomplished a lot of my goals, a lot of my dreams that I set for myself as an NFL player. But the goal that I didn't achieve was getting to that decade. I wanted to get 10 years in the league. I got eight years but I had to cut it short due to concussions. Man, I would have kept playing through any other injury that I faced. I bounced back, I rehabbed and tried to get back, but it was concussions that you know. I got three daughters. So I had to think about the future and my future and how I was going to be as a father. So I made a choice to shut it down, man, and ever since you know, it's been a journey, it's been a challenge you know new identity, trying to figure that out.
Speaker 2:
you know, looking at you know what my new passion will be and you know, I found it. I found it and it's. It's for me, it's turning lemons into lemonade man, that's right. Man With these concussions, I'm trying to find solutions to help myself and help other people out there, and that's where this guy comes into play.
Speaker 1:
I was just going to say you know. Moving over to your partner in crime, brad, you know. First you know, talk about where you come from, what your background is, but then go into how you guys met.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, absolutely, man. Yeah, well, first and foremost, Guy and your lovely wife, thank you all so much for having us into your home and taking care of us. We were talking to Jordan on the way here. I was like, man, I'm kind of hungry. He's like you said he's going to have some food. I was like, all right, yeah, I'll probably have some snacks, but we walked into some ribeyes and some strips, man.
Speaker 1:
So we just appreciate the hospitality. That's all the minks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you know what lovely minx is here. Minx, will you say hello, please? I need the sexy voice too. Don't give me the bullshit.
Speaker 2:
Good evening oh, okay, all right, that was okay, I'm sorry, you get about seven um, thank you for that, minx.
Speaker 3:
I thought I don't know. I'd love to hear the 10. I don't make it better than that, but um yeah, man.
Speaker 3:
So I, uh, originally from st louis, missouri, um, midwest kid, played sports my whole life, unfortunately, unfortunately, unfortunately. I had an injury to my knee that had me look at the best college I could get into, got into Texas Christian University, studied business and technology there and sales, so it was kind of, you know, tailoring my education towards that. My junior year, unfortunately, I lost my brother to suicide. So Matt, my brother, he played football at the Naval Academy we're the number 38 there Started in the Marine Corps for eight years doing heavy artillery and some special operations work.
Speaker 3:
And man, after we lost him, was just kind of, you know, rudely introduced to this whole world of mental illness and TBI and just this brutal epidemic that we're in man. So after that I I founded an organization called the 38 challenge, right, so everyone's familiar with the Murph challenge. It's a. It's a similar brutal workout, but the meaning behind the workout is really what makes it right. So so long as you are intentionally putting yourself in an uncomfortable situation and leaning on others while suffering, for you choose how you use the number 38 in it, you're doing the 38 challenge correctly, um and and and the goal of the organization is to is to challenge the stigma associated with being vulnerable.
Speaker 1:
And can you, can you do me a huge favor? Uh, because when you said the Murph challenge, that is a uh, that is a trigger for me. And it's a trigger because I see a lot of people they're out there doing the Murph Challenge and they don't even know who Murph is and what he did. And I see a lot of gyms putting out, oh, we're doing the Murph Challenge, and it's like motherfuckers, why don't you talk about Murph before you do it? Why don't you talk about what this is for? Why don't you say that you know this was his workout, this is the team that he lost on this day, whatever, blah, blah, blah. And you know what If you don't already do it?
Speaker 1:
because you know Minx and I were talking about doing a 38 challenge at the gym. If you don't already have something, dude, I would love, before we do the 38 challenge on Sundays is talk about what it is and talk about your brother and why we're doing it.
Speaker 3:
You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely, man, and that's you know. We run large scale workout events, right, and the purpose is to get everyone around each other, building that community and camaraderie through sweat, right, and something hard Right, something that's challenging and everyone's there knowing that they're about to what they're about to do is hard Right, but we have. We have babies crawling for 38 minutes and we have people in wheelchairs just just just getting after it. So, and the reason they do that is because they know what they're doing and why they're doing it and who they're doing it for Our motto is 38 minutes. We suffer so they don't have to. It's us suffering collectively and leaning on other people so that others don't have to go through what my brother did.
Speaker 1:
It's not just a fad. That's what happened with the Murph Challenge. It became a fad.
Speaker 3:
It's like man and, and what they've built is is amazing, right, and, and, and. Michael murphy will live forever because of that, but so many people just do it because they're a crossfitter and they're trying to get a a better. They don't even know his first name. Yeah, yeah, exactly, you know what I mean, and it's like now you gotta do it for the right reasons.
Speaker 1:
There you know, um at at our gym. Um, so jordan and I go to the same gym, right? Uh, they were doing the Murph Challenge and everybody at our gym. I love them, man. They're really good people, great people. But I refused to do it because when I asked, well, do you know who Murph is? And somebody didn't know.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, and I was like I'm not doing it, I cannot do it, and it was a workout made for that exact reason to honor him.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, it was a workout made for that exact reason to honor him. Yeah, um, yeah, man, yep, yep, and I, man, I'll tell you what. Uh, oh, you know what? Is he coming in here? We got a special guest, Anthony. Come in here, buddy, Say hello. What's up man? What's up man, how you leave now there's going to be working on that speed.
Speaker 3:
So so you know now, when did you guys meet and how did you guys meet? Yeah, so so at the, at the time that I founded the 38 challenge, you know took a, took a job at a. You know, I took a tech sales job at a school Awesome, awesome opportunity. But I knew that was not going to fulfill my soul. Um, you know, I knew that that got at other plans for me. So I was I.
Speaker 3:
I ran the military programs for a group called the concussion legacy foundation great organization raising awareness and research for um, cte and TBIs. So I learned a lot about. I learned a lot about the space right about the space right. But my passion, although the research is very much necessary, the awareness, is there. From my, from my standpoint, I'm I wanted to start providing solutions for people.
Speaker 3:
Now there's four stages of CTE. A lot of people don't know that. That second stage is usually between the age of 18 and 34, and that's when you have a lot of the issues associated with mental illness. That's also the statistic lineup where that's where the suicide rate is the highest in the military. So it all starts to make sense. After one concussion, your chance of suicide doubles. And I was putting all these pieces of the puzzle together and I was like, okay, how do we, how do we help guys and gals now with the solution? So but in the industry, man, there's, there's a lot of snake oil, there's a lot of smoke and mirrors. So it was really kind of sifting through what's actually helping people and what's not. So, not so. Then we created the Brain Optimization Lab, which is a separate organization that really tackles the issue, which I know we'll get into a little bit later. So that's kind of my background and how I knew, right, obviously.
Speaker 1:
And Jordan's your partner with Brain Optimization Lab Exactly yes, that gets into how we met man.
Speaker 3:
So we were both at an event in Washington DC. It was a Warrior Rising event, which is a veteran entrepreneur organization started by Jason VanCamp Awesome, awesome people. But, um, man, I saw, I saw Jay Reed standing over there. I didn't, you know, um, after the conversation I realized who he was, but in the moment he was just a dude. You know, um, a big ass dude. Um said, said in the corner, but, um, you know, I know, I went up to him. I was, I was like, hey, man, what's going on? Got to hear a story and you know, I could just, I could just kind of tell in his eyes that he was dealing with something. And the reason I could tell that is because I've seen those same same eyes my brother, I've seen those same eyes in myself and I could just relate. So then, um, I kind of asked Jay what was going on. I guess you can kind of take it, take it from man.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, man, he came up to me, we talked, you know, could tell that I was going through stuff, and you know he was like, well, this is what I'm working on. You know, this is my story. He told me a little bit about his past and what he dealt with and he was just like man, why don't you come out to Dallas and go through some of the protocols that I've been working on? And I was all right At the time, man, I was desperate, you know I needed, you know I needed, I was, I was in a bad way, so I was willing to do whatever it took to, you know, relieve myself and try to try to help myself.
Speaker 2:
So I went out there and I went through the modalities. So I went out there and I went through the modalities, I went through his protocol and I felt some relief for the first time since I retired, man, which was a miracle to me. Man, I thought that you know what they say about CTE is, you know, there's no hope and it's just going to keep on getting worse over time, jordan, you hit a key thing thing.
Speaker 1:
Okay, um, you said cte. Yeah, now I can tell you um, you know, with a, my background military and and you know things of that nature. We, we don't hear of cte. Yeah, we hear tbi. They're different yeah they're different um can you? Can you talk a little bit about what CTE is?
Speaker 2:
It's degenerative brain disease, man. They say that it's….
Speaker 1:
And that's from like multiple…. I can help to field this.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, so Concussion Legacy Foundation. There's a lot of resources that they have too. So I got introduced by some of the top minds in the world and people that are doing really, really awesome work at CLF. But so what it's? Cte means chronic traumatic encephalopathy, right, so it's in the same class of degenerative brain diseases as like Alzheimer's and dementia, right? But CTE it has a. It has a different pathology, meaning that it looks different in the brain, and we know how it's caused. It's caused by repetitive subconcussive trauma, right. So so, and how is that different from a TBI or traumatic brain injury? A TBI is a concussion. A lot of people in the military don't even know that, right?
Speaker 3:
Because when you think of TBI in the military. I've talked to a bunch of special operators. They're like I never had a TBI. I was like, okay, unlikely, um, I was like what'd you do? They're like, well, I was a breacher and I was like I was like dude, you have so many TBIs. But in the military it's like you have to step on an IED or you have to get blown up in a Hummer right and then you get that diagnosis from the VA or from the DOD. That's a TBI.
Speaker 3:
Any concussion is a form of traumatic brain injury. Right, it's a scale like anything. It goes from mild to severe. But man, after one concussion, one concussion your chance of suicide doubles after one. So then imagine someone like Jay Reed with 12, or someone that he knows of. And then imagine someone like some of these special operators or war fighters who have multiple, multiple undiagnosed. So you have the TBI aspect of it. And then there's this other whole separate problem that obviously they play together. But there's this whole separate problem of subconcussive trauma which leads to down the road, later in life, chronic traumatic encephalopathy and encephalopathy. It's been three years, I still can't pronounce it, but it cannot be diagnosed until after death, postmortem. Yeah, it cannot be diagnosed.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, and I've read and watched some documentaries on. Uh, it started with a. There was a, an old, uh Pittsburgh Steeler. Uh, he went.
Speaker 1:
I can't remember what his name is and shame on me for not doing the background on this, but um, he, he ended up killing somebody or something like that and then he committed suicide and they looked at his brain and his, his brain was like doctors were like what the hell happened here and and then that was like, I think, in the 80s or something like that, and that that trend kept on happening, with a lot of different nfl players and stuff, um, where it was just like, oh my god. And I gotta tell you, man, because, um, anthony and I were watching, um, somebody, some of jordan's highlights yesterday and there was just one, I think you were playing, uh, dallas, and you were running a cross route, you caught the ball and the dude hit you right under the chin.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I remember that hit.
Speaker 1:
I can imagine I told Anthony that I was like. I guarantee you that was years ago. I guarantee you Jordan remembers that exact hit right there.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, for sure, that was Thanksgiving 2018. It was third down. I think it was third and six and you were pissed.
Speaker 1:
You didn't get the call.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, we were down absolutely, we were down by 10 I think at the time and um it was the fourth quarter. Colt mccoy was a quarterback at the time. He I had a little stop route. It was it was late in the game so I ran a kind of lazy route and woods came in and rocked me right in my face.
Speaker 2:
I was mad that I didn't get the call because it was clear, and I was more mad that it was supposed to be a first down and we were supposed to be able to score a touchdown in that drive. Yeah, but with all the attention focus on hits to the head that year to not get that call, man.
Speaker 1:
Dude, when I saw that watching the highlights with Anthony last night I was like holy shit, and I think it was the NFC Championship with Christian McCafferty this year it might have been the Super Bowl where he like bounced off of his head and skipped the ground Like I don't know how he doesn't have a concussion from that.
Speaker 2:
Sometimes, I mean that guy, might he, might he, just keep playing through it.
Speaker 3:
And that's the thing, and Jordan, I talk about this a lot Like we're not. We love the game of football, right and and concussions are and will always be a part of the game and also you all know that and also for everyone knows, and also for warfighters, like you will die for the person to the right and left of you, Right.
Speaker 3:
So it's like if there's something going on, you're not going to raise your hand and be like no, like you're going to fight through it. So for us it's like knowing that that's going to happen, right Obviously we're not telling players dangerous, but knowing that that happens right and and loving the game and knowing what warfighters do for our country and understanding that they will literally lose their life for us, right. How do we support them?
Speaker 1:
as athletes, as warriors. Yeah, exactly, man, and you know what, uh, you, you, you brought up something I wanted to say in the introduction. Um, what I wanted to say was you know, you guys are, are, um, both warriors in your own way because of you know you guys are, are, um, both warriors in your own way because of you know what you've been through and what you're doing now. You know what I mean. Like that, and that's that is awesome. Like more people need to do this shit. Man, I need to talk about this stuff. They need to not expose. There's nothing to expose. It's educate, it's educate. Look, man, if this is going on. Um, you have a support system, you have a support system. You have someone that wants to be there for you to help you through this, and I'm glad you guys are doing it. Man, it's, it's, it's just awesome.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, I think you know that's a that can be a call to action, right, like people I think a lot of people don't consider themselves, um, you know, patriotic or warriors or whatever. I remember I remember, uh, when, when Matt died, I had a mentor he's a seal, um and I was like I'm going to join the seals, and he was like, and I had also, he also just helped me come up with the 38 challenge, um, and he goes. Let me ask you a question. He goes why do you want to do that? I said I want to, I want to defend, I want to do what Matt would have done. He goes I think you're gonna help more people through the nonprofit or through becoming another Navy SEAL. And at that, that kind of changed my perspective on what service meant and there's different ways to do it, man, 100% man, 100% dude and just.
Speaker 1:
I mean you guys have done it all before with other nonprofits and other things that you guys have supported, Um, but it takes a lot to go out and get up in front of people and talk about stuff like this you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:
That in itself is admirable. You guys put yourself out there. You guys both say, look, this is what I've been through. And you lay it all out and you say this is how I can help you. And that's awesome, man. Not a lot of people do that. Man, there's a very small percentage of people that do that.
Speaker 3:
We were just having a conversation earlier with a guy. He's a current player, but he was showing a lot of strength and vulnerability and telling his story and we just kind of had this conversation about how empathy and vulnerability are superpowers. Right, because without Jordan and myself and yourself sharing our stories, then someone doesn't have hope. Right, and there's no one that that person can relate to. Right, Because everyone puts on their best facade and you see all these things on social media but it's not real life man and it's not someone. It's hard to gain trust that way.
Speaker 1:
No, man, I mean. The thing is this is wishful thinking. Let's just say somebody watches this podcast episode right here. It reaches one person, one and it tells them there's hope for me, and they survived because of what you guys are talking about.
Speaker 2:
It's all worth it, man 100% One person man.
Speaker 3:
If I can ask Jordan a question, if you don't, mind. So, coming into the whole vulnerability thing, how has that been for you? Like sharing your story. How does that make you?
Speaker 2:
At first it was hard, man, to admit that you're dealing with stuff. And then you hear all the the past stories about NFL players and you know, you know murdering people and things like that. You don't want, you don't want to come off like you're crazy you know I mean.
Speaker 2:
So you know it was tough at first but you know I know that why I'm doing it. I'm trying to, I'm trying to spread the word, I'm trying to help other people, you know, feel comfortable because I know when I talk about my symptoms and I talk about what I'm going through to people that care about me, you know, usually they help me out. You know that usually that allows me to, you know, get it off my chest and not hold it in, and just, you know know I feel like I got some support there. So it's been great. Man, once I got past that you know fear of what people would think about me, you know I found that it's been really helpful for me.
Speaker 3:
And that's what the, that's what vulnerability is man. And you know, imagine, if you didn't show that honestly the first time we met, we wouldn't be here together.
Speaker 1:
On this podcast. And it's like oh it's like you brought up something just now. We wouldn't be together here on this podcast. And, Jordan, I got to tell you something about you, man, that night that we met at that event. It was like a quarterback's club or something like that. You were standing over there that night that we met at that event it was like a quarterback's club or something like that.
Speaker 1:
You know you were standing over there. I remember bringing Anthony over to you and say, hey man, this is my boy, anthony, and you shook his hand and you know we went our separate ways and I was standing over at the bar and you know, for some reason, you came over, you came back over and talked and I, first of all, I want to say I appreciate that and, second of all, I think that you know things happen for a reason, absolutely. You know what I mean and, um, I think you know some people are just drawn to, drawn to people. You know what I mean, because it's a shared message, or you just have that feeling, dude, and I can tell you, man, like you know, I knew your background before I talked to you that night and normally I would be nervous talking to someone like you, right, but I can tell you right now, I wasn't nervous because you made me feel comfortable talking.
Speaker 1:
You know what I mean and, and you know that that's a lot, that that, uh, I don't know, I don't, I don't really have words to articulate. Uh, you know what it is I'm trying to say about that. Um, I guess it. You know the the long way around to saying that is it's man. You know, your, uh, your passion with this. You didn't even tell me any of this stuff that night. Yeah, you didn't tell me any of this stuff last that night, um, but but I felt there was a, there was something, there was some kind of story that, like I felt, uh, uh, you know something drawn about whatever energy.
Speaker 3:
Yeah man.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, that's why I went over there, that's why.
Speaker 2:
That's why I went over.
Speaker 1:
I felt the same thing for me, bro, I'm always.
Speaker 2:
I'm always um looking to learn. I'm always looking to learn Um.
Speaker 1:
I see you in the gym, I see how you carry yourself and, um, you know, I see how you hold yourself.
Speaker 2:
Nah, man, this guy's a beast and and he holds himself like a gentleman man. So I felt like I could you know the way you approached me with your family, with your son, yeah, it was humble. I appreciate that man Definitely look up to what you did, man big time.
Speaker 1:
So anytime I feel like I could learn from somebody and grow that's definitely the people I want to be around, dude, and life's all about learning, dude, everything you do, you know that. Um, in uh, so I was a radio recon guy right in marsauk and um, there's something that I I carry with me and carrie knows exactly, or the minx knows what, exactly what I'm going to say, because I bring it up all the time people, when you, when you go out on a recon patrol and you get in your site and you're observing, you're conducting reconnaissance, um, site improvement is continuous and that is a life lesson and I carry that with everything you do in life. Sight improvement is continuous, no matter what. You have to continue to be better in everything you do and everything you build and everything. Sight improvement is continuous and I have that ingrained in my. She's sick of me telling the story, but in the field, what is?
Speaker 2:
that? What does that mean in the field, like it's like like uh, you know, you're um how did in the like improvement of sight, like what does that mean?
Speaker 1:
well, so, so like so, when, when, uh, when, you're in an then it was called an orp um, you're observing the enemy, right, you've got eyes on in our case we, you know, eyes on and ears on, um, you still, you don't. You don't stop there. Okay, yep, you're good, you're secure. You're good, you're secure, you're not compromised. No one knows you're there, but you know what I'm, I'm looking, okay, oh, I can put another stick right here so no one sees me from there. Or I can be like you know what? We need to move three feet to the right because this Bush is better here. You know what I mean. Site improvement is continuous, dude, got it. Or security. You know, like dude, last night we weren't covering this whole area over here with security. We need to fucking cover that. So site improvement is continuous gotcha, always and everything in life, absolutely life, absolutely.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, I was uh just admiring the both of you, right, and both of your crafts, right. You're you're both the most elite at what you did in the world, Right.
Speaker 1:
And I won't claim that, but I walked among some people that were yeah, well, yeah, as as professionals right, like that.
Speaker 3:
That attention to detail right. Always looking 1% better. Right, I mean, as professionals right, like that attention to detail, right. Always looking 1% better. Right, I mean, jordan has enough money right, he could certainly walk up, walk around and not try to learn from people and think that you know shit doesn't stink and you know, be focused on being Jordan Reed, the football player, and everyone else should bow down to me. But no, he's constantly looking at what are ways that I can get better and, as you just mentioned, you have that same mentality.
Speaker 1:
Dude, 100%. I'm a big believer in that man. And in the second segment, we're going to go into this because I have some questions about some stuff that we talked about the other day Some of the treatment stuff you guys were talking about and we'll go into that. Some of the treatment stuff you guys were talking about, and we'll go into that. This is actually a perfect segue into the next segment. Man, that was a good segment and I appreciate you guys opening up who you are. Let's continue that in the second segment. Man, we'll take a little bit of a break. Get some water, get another drink if you want. I'm not allowed to have another drink.
Speaker 3:
The Minx is shutting it down.
Speaker 1:
Damn it, minx. You didn't even give me a sexy hello. I'm getting another drink. All right, let's go. We'll reconvene back here in two minutes. Boom, let's do it.