Not The Press
Behind the Mic, Beyond the Stage With Emma G, Where Music and Missions Intertwine
Ever found yourself chuckling over the charming foibles of accents and mispronunciations? Our latest episode bursts into life with a whimsical debate that will have you grinning as my producer and I navigate the endearing maze of linguistic twists. But it's not all laughter; we also delve into the compelling duality faced by background singers stepping into the limelight, illuminated by Emma's enthralling "Puppet Pulpit" track and her TED Talk performance. We stitch together the threads of music, charity, and personal stories, revealing the fabric of genuine philanthropy.
Strap yourselves in for a journey through the pulsating heart of live music at XCAL, where we uncover the essence of artist-focused storytelling in the midst of captivating performances. As I recount my own experiences within the venue's walls, we propose ways to thrust incredible talents like Emma G into the deserved spotlight, harnessing the magic of music to convey poignant messages. Our stroll down memory lane with dueling pianos and heartfelt melodies serves as a reminder of music's timeless role as a messenger for our most cherished causes.
Our conversation takes a vibrant turn as we welcome special guests who illuminate the paths paved by collaborative spirits in the world of business, art, and technology. We laugh, we muse, and we're inspired by stories of startups, the jesters of the corporate realm, and the indelible marks left by artistic expression. As the narrative weaves through media critique, the transformative role of parliament, and the voices of influential guests, we invite you to join the chorus of this multifaceted dialogue—a symphony of insights to entertain, enlighten, and ignite your passion.
Ever found yourself chuckling over the charming foibles of accents and mispronunciations? Our latest episode bursts into life with a whimsical debate that will have you grinning as my producer and I navigate the endearing maze of linguistic twists. But it's not all laughter; we also delve into the compelling duality faced by background singers stepping into the limelight, illuminated by Emma's enthralling "Puppet Pulpit" track and her TED Talk performance. We stitch together the threads of music, charity, and personal stories, revealing the fabric of genuine philanthropy.
Strap yourselves in for a journey through the pulsating heart of live music at XCAL, where we uncover the essence of artist-focused storytelling in the midst of captivating performances. As I recount my own experiences within the venue's walls, we propose ways to thrust incredible talents like Emma G into the deserved spotlight, harnessing the magic of music to convey poignant messages. Our stroll down memory lane with dueling pianos and heartfelt melodies serves as a reminder of music's timeless role as a messenger for our most cherished causes.
Our conversation takes a vibrant turn as we welcome special guests who illuminate the paths paved by collaborative spirits in the world of business, art, and technology. We laugh, we muse, and we're inspired by stories of startups, the jesters of the corporate realm, and the indelible marks left by artistic expression. As the narrative weaves through media critique, the transformative role of parliament, and the voices of influential guests, we invite you to join the chorus of this multifaceted dialogue—a symphony of insights to entertain, enlighten, and ignite your passion.
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Speaker 4:I mean, what are these people talking about? Those are words I don't understand. Wait, no, we're not going to go into that, yet Hold your Golic on.
Speaker 2:Chiefers.
Speaker 1:Okay.
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Speaker 3:Yeah, we're live.
Speaker 2:Oh, we are. I'm recording you Fantastic.
Speaker 4:This will go in that cut.
Speaker 2:My husband has known me for almost nine years now. He has been trying over and over again to try to imitate my accent my producer has known me for almost eight years and he's also tried over and over again to imitate my accent, accent, no, that was really good I'm good at mimicking that was terrible terrible no no dip thong strong I can play this all day.
Speaker 1:I'm a two-year-old, I can play this all day long all right, here we go, segment three. Okay, this is what we did in segment three. I had a song I was going to play that Emma sang for us, but I forgot to download it, so you're just going to have to wait and listen to it. After segment, the real segment three. What we're going to do right now is we're going to talk about the song Emma sang and what it's called Puppet Pulpit, puppet Like pulpit.
Speaker 2:Puppet Like pulpit Puppet.
Speaker 3:Like you do, to a zit Like Marionette Puppet no.
Speaker 2:Gosh, you guys are horrible.
Speaker 1:Mary Puppet. No, understand, this is segment three. Now Gloves are off.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I see this. Okay, puppet.
Speaker 2:Thankfully, I'm trying to crowd my guy.
Speaker 1:Now, when you sing about pulpit, was it like about a funeral Pulpit.
Speaker 4:Like where the preacher stands.
Speaker 1:Was it a funeral, gosh, no.
Speaker 4:My next album is going to be a lot more gospel. I'm not going to lie. All jokes aside, puppet Awesome song, thank you I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was the first time I've heard it.
Speaker 2:Thank you, and I heard it, I think, three times. Well, clearly you didn't watch my second TEDx talk.
Speaker 4:Well, I'm going to now.
Speaker 1:Oh, so, by the way, now that Emma brought it up. Emma was on TED Talk and you should watch it. Can I imagine you?
Speaker 4:probably played that at XCAL right.
Speaker 4:But when I'm like at XCAL, like you're hanging out, you're drinking you're hanging out, you're drinking, you're talking like the music's kind of background. You're not paying attention, oh and. But I've always known. I mean, I've seen you at X-Cow. Yes, you have Phenomenal, thank you, but it's background Like meaning you're not, like, you're not there to pay else. And I knew you had a great voice when, when Guy was like hey, get an M&G on the show, I was like, well, that's awesome, but just a totally different experience to be here and get to know you.
Speaker 2:Tonight I've really enjoyed it. It's one of the things that like it's been quite funny Cause you know you're right I go between being this background singer kind of wallflower although I'm rather a loud wallflower to then being the person that's very much center stage, everyone's quiet and listening to me, and that can be kind of confronting. I'm not going to lie, but yeah, it's a fun balance. I'm ideating right now. I'm ideating I can see it, Mike.
Speaker 1:this is what we're talking about.
Speaker 4:But I am. But I'm thinking about when, what we've talked about for your charity, and I know we're way off script, but it's segment three.
Speaker 2:It's segment three. It's so weird thinking of it like I have a charity.
Speaker 1:There is no script in segment three.
Speaker 4:So I was thinking about because I've been to XCAL a number of times. I hang out there all the time. I've seen a lot of the different things they do there?
Speaker 1:I don't think they know who you are there.
Speaker 4:They don't know me, I know. I think I keep them in business when they place you, where they place you when you do a Friday night show, it's like that you are the background. Yes, it's like hey, come Friday night Emma G is going to be there and have dinner and hang out and have drinks and have conversation. I think we need to move you to the foreground. So I don't think by the bar.
Speaker 4:No, I like when we did when we did the um, we've done dueling pianos there Right. When dueling pianos are there, it is, they are the act. Everybody's paying attention to what they're saying.
Speaker 1:what their message is Mike, it wasn't always like that though.
Speaker 4:No, I understand, but always like that though no, I understand just one, but my point is but that was a great event it was my point is if you were sitting at the front and it was like, hey, yeah, emma g is gonna be here and she's gonna tell her story. You're not just gonna sing your songs, you're gonna tell the why behind them. And it's like, hey, pay attention, this is not a sit around and joke around and fuck around and have your night you know it's listen to the message behind the songs and raise the money.
Speaker 4:So the event that we talked about, you are the focal point and not the entertainment for the I do, mike, I I have to.
Speaker 1:I agree 1000, like your message, like you have to be the focal point, gotta be but I gotta tell you, because the message is powerful. It is, but I've got to tell you this In X-Cal's defense I don't think they know no, and I don't think they've done I'm not saying anything bad about how X-Cal has done it to date, that's not, it at all.
Speaker 4:I'm just saying for what we talking with with Jeff, like Emma, he believes so strongly in you Like he wants to he really does.
Speaker 1:Jeff loves you.
Speaker 1:I know it's mutual, Like the other day when I was talking he's a great human when we were talking about having a you know a benefit thing, um, for your cause. Um, he's like, oh, we can't, and up until you're, uh, when you go on tour and he's like, wait a minute, now I'm just gonna call, so I can't remember jack or somebody's like, I'm just gonna call him and tell him to move somebody out to get her there. That's how much he believes. You know what I mean. So, like they believe in your cause, it's just, you know, they're new, they're new and they're new on the scene and they're trying to figure things out and and get things right.
Speaker 1:And you know, that's where we come along and we say, dude, jeff, here's an idea for you. You should do it like this and this you know you'll get this event, you'll get these people there and it'll support this person with this important message Um, and it's getting there, man, it's getting there and I think we're going to help them, and I think you're going to help them. I think your message is going to be awesome. No one's ever going to have a private song like we had, it's true, so fuck that.
Speaker 4:We'll always have. Tonight we will Save. Tonight we will.
Speaker 1:I mean the only people that will enjoy this are us we're on the same musical page right now. I mean like not many people. When Emma's like hopefully you'll never be like hugely popular, I mean I hope you're hugely popular.
Speaker 4:I hope she is, my goodness, just don't forget the little people I mean. I hope you are, but I hope you're not.
Speaker 2:One of the things that I'm denied about when you asked me to sing a song tonight. I have so many songs that mean such a great deal to me, puppet, I chose because it encompasses a lot of the messaging that I'm trying to share with my young people through, yes, youth coaching. But to the point you just made, sir.
Speaker 1:Oh, first of all, no, no, no, no, let me, let me, or puppet.
Speaker 2:Wow, I'm about to wrestle your ass.
Speaker 4:I love segment three.
Speaker 2:So to your point. I have a strong pull to what I call the coopetition mindset, aka together we rise, like as I elevate, my entire purpose of elevation is to bring everybody with me, just like the people I surround myself with as they elevate, their entire purpose is to rise with, like to bring everybody to rise. I don't like this idea of, yeah, when you get big and famous, you're going to forget the little people. No, you guys have been like. My people are my people.
Speaker 1:Peeps were the peeps.
Speaker 2:Okay, that was the 80s calling, but all right.
Speaker 4:She's not wrong guy.
Speaker 1:I'll take it, man, I'm a peep, I'm a peeps guy. Damn straight it is.
Speaker 4:That's wisdom right, there I agree, so I agree with you.
Speaker 2:That's wisdom.
Speaker 4:Wisdom Okay.
Speaker 2:My husband says I'm not older, I'm a classic man.
Speaker 4:He says I invested in a uh technology.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to get into all of it, but I invested in technology not long ago, and was it ai?
Speaker 4:no, uh, a little bit, there's a little bit of ai involved in it.
Speaker 3:Um, wait, let's guess what technology it?
Speaker 4:is well, well, hang tight. So I got in real early and I really liked the founding team and I told him. I said, listen, you have my money already. That's a foregone conclusion. But I said you can talk to me anytime you want. I'll be an advisor informally. You don't have to give me equity, you don't have to do anything else. Call me anytime. He said the only thing I ask in return is when you make it big and you IPO, you pay to fly me to the IPO party. Yes, that's all I want. That's all I want. I just want to be there and be like listen, I believe in you early, Like let's go, let's have a great time. That's you know, so many people.
Speaker 1:Dude, I have a huge idea, like a big one You're ideating. It's ginormous.
Speaker 2:Hold up idea Like a big one. You're ideating. It's ginormous. Are you familiar with the four mindsets? The ideator, the executor, the I don't remember what the other ones are.
Speaker 4:No idea, I'm the first two.
Speaker 2:I'm going to Google this Relation Like relator.
Speaker 4:I'm all of them, all at once the researcher?
Speaker 2:Oh, no, not that Can.
Speaker 1:I why she's looking this up. I got to tell you about my idea. Tell me Idea. I think I could be like, instead of an investor, like, hey, dude, I want to invest in your company and you know this is what I want back from it I want to be their clown, like their jester, their chest.
Speaker 3:You're the jester, you're the 15 year old boy 48 year old's body I'm your jester.
Speaker 1:Do you tell me to do something on camera and I might do it? I believe you. Yeah, I think that would be fun, man. I think that's why I like you, guy. Seriously, can you imagine?
Speaker 4:I'm like, someday I'm going to want to do something that I can't do myself, and Guy will do that for me.
Speaker 3:That's what.
Speaker 4:I think. I might do it.
Speaker 1:I might, minx, I just might. I'm right, she knows, she knows. Oh, she knows me. I've done some things.
Speaker 4:So we figure it out, emma.
Speaker 2:I I'm still Googling Four key positions. Maybe this is it. We have the creator, the advancer, the refiner, the executor. So the creator is the ideator.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I feel like I can't be all of those Seems like a lot I've created, did you?
Speaker 1:I created for 38 years.
Speaker 4:Had to be there folks. So, guy, what do we have on the screen here? What am I looking at?
Speaker 1:Okay, so here's what we're going to do. So, first of all, your song was awesome.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:And I hope everybody that watches it will love it as well. Can I explain it?
Speaker 2:Yes, Okay, so I wrote this song a while ago, and the whole purpose of the song was to clap back against the people that try to minimize us as human beings, as one-dimensional beings. You know, I feel like it's very easy, and this kind of came into, you know, full frontal for me when it came to doing my first and second TEDx talk, because I just I find, like being on the TED stage, it's so easy in the media to dumb ourselves down to one narrative, which I find gross, quite frankly, and so the whole song of Puppet is just like I'm not your puppet, I am multifaceted, multidimensional, I'm a whole freaking human being.
Speaker 1:Can I use that as the not the press theme song?
Speaker 2:of course you can oh, you oh intellectual property that's my damn, I mean honestly, that is the not the press. Theme is like look, think for yourself and that's what I try to you know, that's what I try.
Speaker 1:I do my work with my youth, yes, youth coaching.
Speaker 2:Because, you're welcome. It's really important for the young people that I work with to recognize how their individuality is theirs, to create in whatever capacity that they want to create it, not because society tells them they need to be act or do what society tells us to be act and do that's right, that you know what free thinking and what album is that on?
Speaker 1:it's not.
Speaker 2:it's coming up no, it is a single standalone that's not on one of your albums, that's a great song, thank you you should put it on a single just put on your new album no, the new album, so I have an EP coming out in March.
Speaker 3:Sure.
Speaker 2:And that is all the songs. Well, not all the songs. That is a collection of songs that I wrote teenager to early 20s as my own way of free-form expression, and there's some pretty heavy stuff there, including how I processed my father's passing. But there's also pretty heavy stuff there, including, you know, how I processed my father's passing. But there's also some lighter stuff there. But then the main album for 2024 is going to be released in July-ish, in accordance with the US tour that I'm going on, and that is a direct consequence, I guess, of the Write a Song a Day challenge that I have done this past month.
Speaker 1:Well, how many albums do you have?
Speaker 2:This will be my fifth.
Speaker 1:We should have dug into this early. I'm sorry I have to dig in now before we get to my schmuck Album one. What year was it?
Speaker 2:2018.
Speaker 4:Five albums.
Speaker 1:What was I doing in 2018? Not good stuff. 2018? Yeah, I was traveling a lot.
Speaker 2:That's good stuff.
Speaker 4:I feel like if I was like what was traveling a lot, that's good stuff. So what was the album? I feel like if I was like what was I doing in 2018? About the same stuff, I'm doing right now.
Speaker 2:That's not a bad thing. That's not a bad thing. What was the?
Speaker 1:album name Taking Flight, Taking Flight. Okay, Now you've had three albums since, and then you've got a fifth one coming out right, yes. Now, from all those four albums up until now, what's your favorite album?
Speaker 2:Born in Crisis. And what year was that? 2022.
Speaker 1:Okay 2022, born in Crisis. Okay, and what's your favorite song on that Pulpit?
Speaker 2:Okay, no, no.
Speaker 1:It's basically a pulpit. Yes, it's about the Catholics.
Speaker 4:Listen, I've been holding back for two segments on my color commentary. We're getting into this.
Speaker 2:I just needed to warn segments on my color commentary. We're getting into this. I just you needed to warn me, sir. Okay, so my favorite, the Born in Crisis album is an incredibly personal album for me. It was me writing a song every day for 31 days straight and then me choosing my top 13 songs from the album you know from that experience into an album. So some stuff that came up for me over those 30 days I was not expecting to have happen. Um so it was deeply personal and deeply surprising, and one of them I think it was day five, day six I wrote a song called Faith in you which freaked me out because it was the most raw and real I'd ever been about my own self-worth when it comes to relationships. It was my own oh crap, I'm actually in love with somebody, kind of song.
Speaker 1:You've never been in love with somebody up to that point.
Speaker 2:I think I've loved, but I've never been with somebody who's as honest and makes me honest.
Speaker 1:Did they give you a good foot massage?
Speaker 2:He does great massage. Yes.
Speaker 1:That's kind of the key to it.
Speaker 2:So, so good, in fact, that we got married three months ago.
Speaker 1:Isn't that right, Minx? The foot massage makes it good. It's all about the foot massage's like it's about the foot massage.
Speaker 2:No, um, but yeah so. So faith in you, I think, is my favorite song on that album. Only because I think it was the first time I was like oh shoot, I'm in this okay, we're.
Speaker 1:You know I'm going to. I've listened to all your songs, um, but I'm gonna have to circle back. If that's your favorite, is that your favorite ever? No what's your favorite ever?
Speaker 2:I don't know that's I mean I no.
Speaker 4:What's your favorite ever I?
Speaker 2:don't know. I mean, that's a hard question.
Speaker 4:It's like asking what's your favorite child.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, there's got to be a song.
Speaker 4:I don't agree. No, I don't agree.
Speaker 2:Let me explain myself. It depends on my mood, but let me explain myself now Amen.
Speaker 1:Okay, let me re-articulate this. Not necessarily your favorite, but what song means the most to you? What was the song when you wrote it? Which?
Speaker 4:child would you choose if you had to pick one, to live forever? You have to.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, Look there are songs.
Speaker 4:It's a hard question.
Speaker 1:It's a hard question there's a song. I'm telling you. You guys can sit here and look at me like I have a big dick growing on my forehead. But there is a song that means something more to her, because the way she wrote it, the feeling she had, the environment she was in when she wrote it, the state of mind she was in, that means more to her than all the other songs. I'm telling you.
Speaker 4:I don't. I'm going to talk for Emma a minute. She's going to tell me if I'm wrong and I'm going to tell you something. Right now I'm going to get a little open because I can't rap about it, but I have a bit of an artistic. I have a bit of an artistic flair. I always have, um, I, I was, I drew a lot as a kid. Um, I appreciate the arts probably more than most people know. Um, and I don't even like embrace that side of me that often.
Speaker 4:But what I would tell you is um, the question you're asking, I feel like, is really hard for somebody like her to answer, because if I think about how you would try and decide to answer that, it's like trying to decide who's my favorite child because you you pick different things at different times and they mean something to you in that moment, and it doesn't mean that one is greater than the other, but that they they meant something to you in that moment and it doesn't mean that one is greater than the other but, that they. They meant something to you at that time.
Speaker 1:I disagree, and and I disagree in this fact you're right super hard, but it's a good hard question it's not impossible I I Not impossible, I I so. Because there's one that she feels deeply and it's pulpit. It's about a sermon Okay, there's something I feel.
Speaker 2:I feel deeply about faith in you, because it's the song that I first opened up to myself. I was hold on, I wasn't finished.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying.
Speaker 2:Because it's a song that led me to realizing that I was in the right place to fall in love and grow and heal and get married Super personal, beautiful. But also I have a song called Miss Me With that, which discusses some of the trauma and healing and overcoming of you know, of you know some of the negative treatment I've received as a result of my brain damage and brain surgeries. That again, is another important message for myself. Another one of my favorite songs is Together we Rise, recognizing that who we're surrounding ourselves with every day dictates our future and who we're becoming every day. There's another song of mine called Superhero, which is my way of recognizing the importance of using love and compassion as superpowers against fear and injustice. There's another like there's so many songs of mine that have direct they're all your favorite songs.
Speaker 1:They are.
Speaker 2:There's a song that I wrote for how to heal from my sexual assault. There's a song that I wrote about clapping back against my abusive ex-boyfriend.
Speaker 1:There's a lot. There's a lot. I'm going to leave it at this. Mike, you're going to say it's impossible and you may not want to answer it's impossible.
Speaker 4:I appreciate her, I'm not saying favorite song.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying favorite song. What I'm saying is what song means the most. If you listen to that song, you go through and you listen to your songs, all the ones you made you listen to it and the one that makes hair stand up on your arm and you feel it different, different way to ask this question. Well, yeah, okay, I'm articulating it different way to ask this question.
Speaker 4:I'm articulating you can only listen to one of your songs or sing one of your songs for the rest of your life that's's a good way.
Speaker 1:Which?
Speaker 4:one is that I'll take that. It's tough and it's a hard question.
Speaker 1:It's a good one.
Speaker 4:It's a hard question. It's a good one. You don't need to answer it right now. It's a good one and. I'm going to leave you with that.
Speaker 1:You shouldn't, you shouldn't answer it, Don't look look. And the thing is is because I know it exists. I know it exists, I know, I know, and you don't have to tell us, and you don't have to tell us why, none of that. But I just want to expose that to you that exists with you, because, no matter what, like you can have your favorites and everything, but there's something that means so dearly to you out of those favorites, that and then kids are different, dude, come on.
Speaker 2:Are you calling me a kid?
Speaker 4:No, Maybe All right, all right, let's go to the fun stuff.
Speaker 1:Let's go to the fun shit. I mean that was fun, that was fun and I want to continue to have these conversations because music, I feel music used to move people.
Speaker 3:I think it still does I mean your things are no, I don't, no, I don't.
Speaker 4:I think I would say mainstream music used to move people, yeah not anymore, and more or less, I feel like you know I listen. I've got Sirius XM.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:If you flip through, if it is just like today's hits.
Speaker 1:It's about me. It's like what is all this? That's true.
Speaker 4:What is this You're?
Speaker 2:not getting Emoji's music, but I think that music still moves. It's just it's more underground, I agree.
Speaker 1:Like there are people that still feel music. I sent you a link to the music man and I love pulling his stuff. Every day I look at his stuff because he goes out and he finds this good, raw music of these kids it doesn't matter what it is and these people just doing music, singing, playing music, dancing, because it feels good to them, um, and that's lost. I think it's getting lost. Um, but you know, that's just my opinion. I, you know, I think today's mainstream music is about all about show. Now, and it sucks. You know it does. It's not about. You know, like I was saying before, it's not about fuck the man, it's not about at all. And now, in fact, it's about, um, oh, let me lick your shoe, man. That's what it's about and that pisses me off.
Speaker 4:Um, that's mainstream music, and that's not what you're about we were at. I'll leave you this we were at karaoke the other night and it was. It was terrible um but everybody kept choosing bill Joel songs.
Speaker 3:And I love.
Speaker 4:Billy Joel and the music's so good and I just thought they don't make music like the same. No, or they do, but it doesn't play on the radio.
Speaker 1:No, there was a time when Billy Joel music, or music like that, you felt it through your soul. It wasn't just a good beat.
Speaker 4:Here's the best part. You felt it, man. Here's the best part. In 25 years, 30 years, our kids are going to be sitting here and going. People just don't make music like Nick Jonas anymore.
Speaker 2:To be fair, nick Jonas is pretty dope, I agree. That's why I used him. He's very talented, that's why I used him.
Speaker 4:He is talented. My point is maybe we just don't understand, and maybe the people our age 30 years ago didn't understand Billy Joel, maybe.
Speaker 1:No, no, I'm telling you, but everybody, loves Billy Joel that motherfucker.
Speaker 4:No, no, I'm telling you like, but everybody loves Billy Joel that motherfucker. Played piano.
Speaker 2:Stevie Wonder.
Speaker 1:Same thing with him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, prince.
Speaker 1:Prince.
Speaker 2:Tina Turner, I mean I, the list goes on the Cranberries.
Speaker 1:Look at the Rebels.
Speaker 4:Cranberries, the Rebels, dolores man.
Speaker 1:Like the Rebels out there. Depeche Mode, u2, guns N' Roses what happened to these motherfuckers? Where are their voices now?
Speaker 4:No, the difference is you're not listening to today's music through the ears of today's youth because you're not.
Speaker 2:I will confront that a little bit. There is Kendrick, there is um. This is America. What's his name? Childish Gambino, there is.
Speaker 3:there are a lot of like out there, it's out there. You do need to dig, yeah, but we're also, we're not we're not hearing it, it's not mainstream, because you need to dig.
Speaker 4:I don't think it's just because you need to dig, it's just because we're old. No, speak for yourself. No, we are, listen, speak for yourself.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you You're right, but this is what happened.
Speaker 4:Listen, this is no different, the only difference between us sitting here having this conversation right now and the people who are having it. 30 years ago, you know what the difference is. Ours is on a microphone. It'll be recorded forever. No, theirs was over. Beers on a kitchen table going. What are these kids listening to? I disagree I disagree, I don't, I disagree, I don't.
Speaker 1:Tell me about that. I disagree, because I have always liked Led Zeppelin and I didn't grow up with it. That wasn't my time frame. I mean, it was pretty close. No, I was born in 1977. I understand that song came out in 1979. No, it came out in 1976. Sure, all right, came out in 1979. No, it came out in 1976, sure, all right. So, so, like I, you can't. There there are so many songs that personally, I grew up with, like everybody grew up with. Yeah, there was a stupid songs that came up because it was pop, you know pop culture during the time. But there was there was things that, um, music seemed real, still like. For instance, okay, this is a stupid, petty example, petty, but I think it's a good one. Um, and I, I still think this happens today. But you know, did you, you play sports in high school? Did you play sports?
Speaker 2:I did not. Well, I know you did, I did okay.
Speaker 1:So, um, I can tell you, like in high school football and high school basketball in the 90s, you know what was the one song when you're going to that rivalry school that you played on that bus or when you won a game. It was queen. We will rock you unanimously. Okay, now does that still go on?
Speaker 4:I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of content out there.
Speaker 1:But what I'm saying is is like if it's up to our generation to keep putting that stuff out there and teaching these kids, look, man, like music used to mean something Like the people that write music like what you write.
Speaker 1:It means, means something to you. It's not what someone's telling you to write. A lot of these mainstream artists they're singing what someone's telling them to write bottom line and unfortunately that goes out on social media, that goes out on the airwaves and we don't hear the good stuff because we're blinded by all this bullshit all right, I just, it's a message I will tell you that, like sorry, lady gaga and pink I don't like lady gaga anymore okay, that's I used to love her.
Speaker 2:I think she has a beautiful voice she the lyrics she writes and the messaging that she gives her audience is super affirming yeah, I just tell you about her, though tell me.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna tell you my experience with her because I absolutely think she has one of the best. She's the one of the most talented vocalists ever with her style of music, the way she presents herself talent. We went to a show in vegas and she was supposed to be doing like a tony tony bennett thing right um, it was a jazz show and I that was the show that, personally, I was looking forward to forever.
Speaker 1:She stopped in the middle of every song for like five minutes to put some agenda out and it was like fucking stop, just sing your fucking song. Dude Like this is stupid. People came here to listen to you sing, not about your political agenda, and that's what bothers me.
Speaker 2:Stop that shit. Isn't that part of the fuck the man thing that you're talking about?
Speaker 1:That's not fuck the man, that's going with the man of what their agenda is.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean and I understand if you've got strong feelings for that stuff, whatever that agenda is. But some people really enjoy the music Right, like me, I really enjoy the music right like me I really enjoy the music.
Speaker 1:I look forward to hearing someone like lady gaga and her vocals and her talent and to you know, to sit there and pay all that money to have every I'm not even exaggerating every single song interrupted with an agenda speech is absolutely crazy to me. Like do it in the beginning, do it at the end. It just fucking pisses me off. Like you're like whatever you're you're saying with your agenda, put it through your music, not in the middle of your music, and it just that's how this whole thing like it just drives me nuts. Like stop alienating everybody.
Speaker 4:I think that guy and I are gonna be like the best old men drinking beer I was ever honestly like we are gonna. Honestly, we're gonna be the best. We're gonna be the best old man with beers in our driveway ever dude, I, I Dude.
Speaker 1:I hope that we can have beer in our driveways and be able to share stories with our kids the way that, but they're never going to agree with us.
Speaker 4:Look, I think that part of self-awareness is realizing when you hit a tipping point. We're getting there, maybe we're there, maybe we're not, but we're going to hit a tipping point. We're getting there, maybe we're there, maybe we're not, but we're going to hit a tipping point where our views are no longer the most popular. The problem we're having is ah, I'm going to have to stop myself, I'm going to go down a hole.
Speaker 1:Let's not go down that hole. But I do want to bring a point.
Speaker 4:I was about to talk about a couple of 80-year-old people. That's not the hole we want to go down. A hole, let's not go down that hole. But I do want to bring a point up. I was about to talk about a couple of 80-year-old people, and that's not the hole we want to go down.
Speaker 1:Let me just bring up one point, and then we're going to get to these comments on this stupid post. I'm going to bring up a point that Emma sticks to that I appreciate you had mentioned earlier why you wrote a song and why you felt the need to write that song the feeling, the environment, so on and so forth.
Speaker 1:That is art, that is music, that is absolutely what should happen, and that's what music and art is for, and that's what music and art is for. Music and art is not, in my opinion, to write a song and then, in the middle of it, state your statement.
Speaker 4:Your music is your statement. Finish singing Poker Face and be like fossil fuels are bad.
Speaker 2:No, in the middle of it Can.
Speaker 1:I push that a little further. Absolutely Should we.
Speaker 2:I appreciate that you appreciate. I appreciate that you appreciate the purpose behind the music that I make and why I make it. I think a lot of people are scared to make it. Yes, and that is why I do what I do Fuck yeah, that's why you're sitting here at our table right now.
Speaker 1:Yes, sir, damn it. That's why there's a little army dude right here.
Speaker 2:They're all pointing their guns at me, though I'm not sure why. Thank you, okay, that was weird.
Speaker 4:This guy's obviously scared of the minks, obviously scared of the minks.
Speaker 2:But that's the point. Like you know, I think a lot of it is fear-based. I think a lot of the way that the media works is fear-based because we're scared to look at ourselves, we're scared to confront ourselves, we're scared to express ourselves.
Speaker 2:That is what youth empowerment through songwriting is all about, because you cannot beat an enemy that you refuse to acknowledge so don't be scared let's, let's, embrace that, let's, let's, you know, embrace those dark shadows and make friends with them, so that we can then navigate them safely, healthily and productively you know what, and don't be scared to get canceled. I thought you said cancer. I was like what well I'm scared of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, do not like this whole, cancel culture all your people will find you you know what? That's right, you know, fuck that. Um, you have a message, put it out there and it, and and also look at the other perspective. Now, okay, with that said, um, this actually is a good segue into the comments of, uh, my weekly post, which is headlines satire I'm scared yes, it's uh headlines people don't understand satire anymore they do not.
Speaker 1:uh, it's called headlines before they were headlines and what it is is supposed to be 10 years in the future, and it's. People don't understand satire anymore. They do not. It's called Headlines Before they Were Headlines and what it is is supposed to be 10 years in the future and it's a little newspaper article and it's satire. My intent, as Mike knows and I think I explained to you, is I don't like politics. I don't want to discuss the R word, the D word, any of those.
Speaker 2:What's the D word?
Speaker 1:Ooh, oh, we can't say it in here can't say that dictionary demo demolition okay, gotcha yeah yeah, so uh like none of that should. Uh, all that does is drive division. So, um know, the post I put up, um I mean makes, can you scroll?
Speaker 2:a little bit crazy. I'm not going to lie there, it is Okay.
Speaker 1:So breaking news? Um, and it's about the Epstein listen you know? Okay, here it says 15 years later, because it's already been four years, four and a half years no list. Okay, and that's true, we haven't. It's satire and it's like you know what motherfuckers Produce this list, because there's some guilty people out here that are hurting children. And then the other one is about robots.
Speaker 4:Anyways, let's and poop in San Francisco, which is a real problem. Poop in San Francisco Is is a real problem. Poop in San Francisco.
Speaker 2:Is it?
Speaker 4:actually, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:I've not been to San Francisco.
Speaker 1:There's an app where you can go and you can see where people poop on the sidewalk.
Speaker 4:The homeless problem is so bad in. San Francisco people are defecating on the sidewalks.
Speaker 2:I really don't understand why we don't do more about the unhoused problems in this country.
Speaker 4:Let's not go into that one right now. Let's not let that go. I'm gonna take that off, so I'm gonna point.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna point something out on our um, on these comments, and it's not what I was trying to do on this. I was trying to create some satire and discussion, but it went 100 political against. You know, biden, trump, and it's like there's no mention of that. There's not one mention of trump or biden anywhere. And um, the last post I did last week was the same way and you know, when you look at the uh, all the engagements on it and this has only been a day and a half, you know there's almost a. You know the 667 engagements and it's all hatred. It's all hatred. There's no, it's all hatred, it's, it's everybody.
Speaker 4:Um I don't know that has to. Let's scroll down a little bit. Oh dude.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 1:Now let's get to the. I'm telling you Now I have gotten some hateful thoughts towards me and I've replied back to them with not so hateful thoughts, but there's a lot of hatred, man. It kind of tells where our country's gone right now.
Speaker 2:It's like, man, there's got to be a way to stop this shit I wonder if I mean, I don't know if it's just hatred, but just um it's division no, I think it's lack of critical thought it's that too.
Speaker 1:It's it's people that are they're not willing to look in and research on their own on stuff, and it's such a divide.
Speaker 4:It's such a divide with people but you have to understand what social, you have to understand what social media provides. Social media good, bad?
Speaker 2:or indifferent.
Speaker 4:Whatever is up there provides instant gratification. It used to be. You do your job, you go home for the night, you watch a show on TV. We'll keep it right there, minx. You go in the next day to work and you talk to your friends about what they watched on TV, because there were six channels and the chances were most of you all watched the same thing.
Speaker 2:Wait, you had six channels back in the day.
Speaker 4:We've only ever had three in three, Now it's four.
Speaker 1:I think You're talking about what this guy mentioned up here.
Speaker 4:But that's my point is that you're sitting there and you're saying look, this is for people sitting at home at night saying I don't have a whole lot else in my life. Keep in mind America's 350, 400 million people I don't know, check my facts 365 million, whatever it is.
Speaker 4:I'm probably not right, but there's a lot of people out there that don't have anything in their life but the social interaction they get on social media, and so, whether that interaction is good, bad or indifferent, it's interaction, and the longer they can keep it going, the better. And that's what a lot of this is. And if you look at these and you go, wow, I created a post of this is. And if you look at these and you go, wow, I created a post, I got a thousand interactions okay.
Speaker 1:Well, what's? A thousand out of 365 million? Not a lot, nothing.
Speaker 4:So the reality is. But when you see this, you go. We're fucked, world's fucked. Look at it.
Speaker 1:This is obviously a subsection of the entire country and we're all going to hell that's not, not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is the hatred is at a high Because if you just went, guy.
Speaker 4:Your future posts are very prescient. Nobody's going to, nobody's responding to that. They want to respond to the muck. Everybody wants to be in the mud.
Speaker 1:Let's get down and wrestle in the mud. There's one post on here that resonated me that I replied to, and it's by Bill Brose. Or Bill Bros, no, it's Bill Bros. He says that's the wonderful thing about yellow journalism it requires so little effort. It is unburdened by things like fact-checking, sourcing, confirmation or research. It exists on lies and it distributes those lies there you go To the gullible reader Hit the. Seymour, who has few, and he hit Seymour. Yeah, hit Seymour, babe Seymour butts, hit Seymour.
Speaker 3:There you go, no, no.
Speaker 1:Seymour, there you go. And has few demands on journalism other than that it must tell him exactly and only what he wishes to hear. It is lazy news for lazy minds.
Speaker 2:Or she yeah.
Speaker 1:But his point is he's spot on, and I told him that I was like, hey, you know what You're spot on. I'm going to mention this because that is what it is. It's people. It's not their fault, they're a product of their environment. And this hatred in everything, on both sides of the political parties, it consumes them. All this shit to drive anger towards one another, and they only want to believe what they want to believe, or they only believe what they want to believe, or they only believe what they want to believe. And that's what they're reading or listening to, and that's that's usually one or two sources, instead of going out and look and finding the facts about this stuff.
Speaker 4:I want to go one further that I actually really love the next comment down from Gregory.
Speaker 1:Oh, I crushed this guy.
Speaker 4:Well, I don't even need to read your response. He says oh, you're going to read it, we're going to Newsflash Not. The press has confirmed to be a pool of simmering ignorance, hate, fascism and treason banned.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what about Like on my post? What about that? Says fascism, Listen Treason.
Speaker 4:But that is the whole thing is it takes one person, and here's the thing go to your favorite morning, evening, weekend, whatever show on cable news. They now pull from social media, so if they don't want to listen to the message that you're sending, they're going to highlight that post because that's a real post and they'll go listen. This is real information from the world about how people feel about your podcast and they're going to go. You're obviously ignorant, hateful, fascist and treasonous. It's like eh. I mean really, come on, don't read the comments.
Speaker 2:It's one of the things I've, you know it's.
Speaker 1:It just really makes me so sad to see. This is where we come to. The social media has driven us to this. This wasn't before.
Speaker 2:It's also, you know, it's like the keyboard warrior. You know these are the, the keyboard warrior. You know these are things that are so easy to say behind people's backs not their faces.
Speaker 4:It's what they have um and again it's.
Speaker 2:It's a often um. It is the consequence of unchecked gaps in their knowledge and lack of constructive thought, and all that 100%.
Speaker 1:But there are also idiots. No, I don't think they're idiots, maybe some of them. Um, I think that our mainstream media drives the narrative Plain and simple they get people to think Is this why you're not the press that's?
Speaker 4:exactly, but this also highlights the point I made earlier, which is most reasonable people, the reasonable 80% of the middle, is not commenting on these posts. Engagement is driven by the 20% of the middle is not commenting on these posts. Engagement is driven by the 20% on the fringe, which is 10% way left, 10% way right. And their interaction and argument is what drives the 80% in the middle to go. I'm going to watch these idiots battle each other.
Speaker 2:I mean it's the same thing, while we have reality television and all of the ridiculosity that we have For sure.
Speaker 1:I'm going to read my reply because I'm a happy person. And you know what, emma? You hit it spot on. I'm high energy, I'm not going to be a downer over these assholes.
Speaker 2:Amen.
Speaker 1:I said Greg, I'm not going to say his full thing, but I'm not sure where you see hate and fascism and treason from this satire. Ignorance, basically, absolutely I'm ignorant. This satire is totally meant to be ignorant. Um, sorry, you feel that way. Basically, you're hangry Go get a hamburger.
Speaker 1:You know, no hate in there. There will never be any hate. I will never submit hate to these people that submit hate. But the thing is is like um, I thought for a while to respond on this guy. I was like I shouldn't even give it. But it's like nope, you have to respond. You have to respond in a positive way.
Speaker 1:You have to, because if you don't, then you're basically encouraging these assholes to keep doing shit like that. But anyways, let's continue on. Let's look at some of these responses that the the way it goes like the divide. It dives so deep into politics and it's like there's nothing about politics. In that fake news report that I did, there's nothing, but everything gets into politics. It's like what the hell are we doing, man?
Speaker 2:but everything gets into politics it's like what the hell are we doing? Man Can. I just say though that is very much an American thing.
Speaker 4:The political dive, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:In other countries. I visited New Zealand, fiji, australia. It very rarely gets so quickly down the political one hole.
Speaker 4:I'm going to ask a very ignorant question, so forgive me, that's okay. What's the political structure of New Zealand?
Speaker 2:We have a parliament that is comprised of 120 seats. You vote for a prime minister.
Speaker 1:Do you guys want to see my Stanley mug?
Speaker 2:No, stanley, stanley, like, no Stanley, oh, stanley, like from Marvel. Oh, that's exciting, that's funny, you're hilarious. So 120 seats in Parliament. You vote to get as many of those seats as possible. In order to win the election, you need to have over 60 seats. Win the election you need to have over 60 seats. If you do not get 60 seats, you partner with another party to create an alliance and then you have joint overall.
Speaker 4:You know majority so they have to work together. Yes, shocking, and what a novel concept and you'll notice.
Speaker 2:So let's say, for example, two parties. We have 40 seats and 21 seats. The rest of the 59 seats are comprised of the other parties that were voted in connection with how many votes they received. So at the end of the election, you have 120 seats filled that are directly indicative of how many votes that party received. And then, when it comes to passing legislation, when it comes to anything to do with anything, all seats in Parliament get some kind of say in that particular issue.
Speaker 1:That's pretty cool. Well, you know what? Thank you, you're welcome. I think that our structure was meant to be something like that. I'm sure it was, and I'm sure your structure was based off of our structure somehow.
Speaker 2:I'm also sure, because we were both colonized by the British. You guys just kicked them out, we didn't.
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, I think that there's a there's a lot listen it's just got corrupted.
Speaker 3:It's nothing.
Speaker 4:It's never going to be perfect, it's just never going to be not that attitude.
Speaker 2:Come on now, like, like I will say this.
Speaker 1:I will say this I believe and it's no offense to new zealand or anybody else I believe that our government is the best government in the world. However, it doesn't mean it's the best functioning government and it doesn't mean that our political leaders are the best people that are in that government. But the structure, it is the way it's structured. It's structured Well. It's just it's not working well when you have politicians that are corrupt. But it is structured very well. And the thing that I always argue with people about when they they talk about our forefathers, this that and the other and they they call them dumbasses and whatever and it's like okay, here's the deal.
Speaker 1:These dudes were the smartest people in our time. You have to realize that they didn't have a television set, they didn't have a device. They had books. They weren't fictional books, they were non-fictional books, they were philosophy, and all they did was, if they weren't learning by their hands, they were learning by reading. That's it. That's all they did. They didn't have the same stuff that we do. They were geniuses. They were. They were absolute geniuses. We will not experience that. We will not experience that level of genius in our time.
Speaker 1:We will not I wish, I don't I don't agree, I don't think we will I, I don't agree not in that purity well, I don't think we will.
Speaker 4:I don't agree, not purity Well, I don't know that it was pure, I mean these guys, these were listen, let's not, let's not let's not. We're going to go way beyond.
Speaker 1:Let's not cross purity what I'm saying with purity and evil, because there's evilness there too.
Speaker 2:I will say I do wish that philosophy was a mandatory subject in schools.
Speaker 1:Me too.
Speaker 2:Just like with the arts, I wish there was more art and more philosophy. That was included in the school syllabus, just because, to your point, I think there is definitely a lot of well-meaning and intelligent human beings in the world, but we are not necessarily going to see them or access them or or get the best of them, because we're not fostering the next generation appropriately.
Speaker 1:Because they're so to a device.
Speaker 2:I don't think that that is all I hope in the years that I all, I hope you're right In the years that I was studying for my education and for my qualifications, I discovered that a lot of our teaching principles are still based on 18th century pedagogy and learning styles, and the world is not built that way anymore, so we need to update everything and how we're educating, how we're teaching, how we're working with and empowering our young people so that we can get those diamonds out of the rough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it goes back to what your whole, your whole voice is, you know um young adults not being heard and figuring out how to empower them to know that they can be heard and then giving them the confidence to put their that message out. And you know, it's just, it's. I feel like, um, there's people like you that are trying your ass. You're trying your ass off to get it done, but there's not enough of you.
Speaker 2:I still have a lot of booty, it's okay.
Speaker 1:I just think that people are so greedy and money hungry and power hungry that they don't give a shit about that anymore. I just don't, and you're one of the few.
Speaker 2:Thank you. You're one of the few. I think there aren't many out there, but their voice isn't out there but I mean, is my voice out there?
Speaker 1:I'm trying you know, but I'm that's. What I'm saying is like there needs to be more of you, like there needs to be more people that say you know what, fuck it, I have to put my voice out for this but, um, you know, there's a, there's a really good story and people, people say it's uh propaganda. But it's not, it's history, it's fact. Um, it's about argentina, um, in the 1970s, when, um, they had their revolution, basically, and a lot of kids went missing a lot of.
Speaker 1:It was a lot of kids that were talking. It was young adults. They were expressing their voice and you know, all these thousands of mothers were like where's my son and where's my daughter? And they were killed. They were assassinated. It was a bad time for them. But 30 years later this is in the mid-2000s they went back and interviewed people in Argentina and they said oh, I didn't know that was happening and everybody knew it was. And that's what I feel like is going on right now with what you're saying. 30 years later, if enough people don't say fuck this. We have to empower these people and let them know it's okay to talk, give them the confidence to talk. 30 years from now, our neighbors are going to be like oh, I didn't know it was happening and it's bullshit. Everybody knows it's happening.
Speaker 2:It's funny. When I was researching my first TEDx talk, I came across a piece of data that suggested that the World Health Organization guesstimated that it would take the average adult. This was in, I should preface this was in July of 2020. So we're no September of 2020. So we're about six months into the pandemic. It would. They guesstimated that it would take about 10 years for the average adult to mentally and emotionally recover from the pandemic. We were only six months in then. They're only talking about adults.
Speaker 3:They weren't talking about adults? I'm not, they weren't talking about kids.
Speaker 2:They weren't talking about teenagers. Yeah, it was, but I mean you don't have to be a fan of them no they the. The guesstimates were 10 years for the average yeah human like fully functioning brain. What?
Speaker 4:does that mean, though? What does it mean to recover?
Speaker 2:I don't know they Right.
Speaker 4:And I don't know that they knew. Honestly I think about this all the time. Honestly, I really do Fuck them. I think that here's the thing how many generations have gone through what that pandemic was. Not a lot.
Speaker 2:Influenza in the 1800s.
Speaker 4:But did they go through what we went through? Did they go through a society that was so interconnected, like we are, and then, all of a sudden, wasn't? They didn't. No, they didn't. And so the reality is, people do these studies and they go. It's going to take adults 10 years to recover from this they have no data recover. But but recover from what? Yeah, this is, it was novel. Everybody said it was a novel coronavirus. It absolutely was.
Speaker 4:It happened at a point in history that had never happened before yeah and so I think what people fail to realize they fail to realize this all the time everybody wants to look at a situation through the lens of what they know and not through the lens of what they know and not through the lens of history.
Speaker 4:And the lens of history will tell you that, well shit, man. All we do is adapt and survive. We are a species like anything else on this planet and there are going to be a lot of things that happen that you cannot predict, know or understand how that is going to impact you. Moving forward, I agree. So everybody's like well, it's going to take you 10 years to get back to normal. What's normal?
Speaker 2:maybe normal is no longer normal anymore and to that point I don't think the normal should be normal, because the way that things were before the pandemic, super unhealthy unhealthy, that's always unhealthy let's not go down this road of the pandemic, because I am going to go deep in the rabbit hole, because I have my thoughts on everything.
Speaker 1:No, I, I do like, I mean I really like um, yeah, you know, pandemic is real I'm just talking about the mental health ramifications, especially for young people. That's all it's, it's huge, it's huge. It's huge ramifications. It's like even kids wearing masks in school that are, you know, kindergarten, first grade, second grade.
Speaker 4:I'm going to pull it Watching a mouth.
Speaker 1:talk is part of their learning, but let's pull it way forward.
Speaker 4:You know it's like Pull it way forward. Let's talk about current events. Dune 2 came out this week.
Speaker 2:I'm looking forward to seeing it. I can't wait to watch it. You went and saw it.
Speaker 4:I did, loved it, loved it, hang on.
Speaker 3:Gary won't watch it with me.
Speaker 4:Here's my purpose in bringing this up. That movie takes place in the year like 10,000 something. Okay, that's 8,000 years from now. I'm excited and guess what Society's fucked.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's fucked.
Speaker 4:You look at it right, that's 8,000 years from now.
Speaker 2:The point is.
Speaker 4:The point is we all get so hung up in a moment in time it's just going to change, and that was my point I was making earlier. About that, we I disagree, dude.
Speaker 1:I disagree. We're only going down the rabbit hole a little bit on this. Just the tip, just the tip. But I disagree because with the pandemic there are things that I will never forgive myself for. That we were forced to do with my son and the fact that we had to give him a vaccine I will never forgive myself for that.
Speaker 4:You should forgive yourself for that.
Speaker 1:But no, the thing is is like that's horse shit. A lot of parents were put in those positions. Sure, and that's what makes it different. Like the pandemic happened.
Speaker 4:Got it.
Speaker 1:You know, whatever that course of history, but the fact that our own, our government, our own government forces to do stuff like that is not cool, you know, because that that has, that's going to have a residual effect. You know, and you know I'm going to have a podcast talking about all this stuff because of my mother you know the way she died with it. Like there's, there's things that happened with it that did not have to happen, like that, and that I I feel like, um, our own government made, made decisions and we're not forthcoming on the public, uh, to make, to force us to do decisions.
Speaker 4:But my my point in the Dune analogy it just was my point in the Dune analogy was look at it from the perspective of somebody 8,000 years from now.
Speaker 2:Can I bring this home for a minute?
Speaker 3:Please do.
Speaker 2:Whatever your thoughts on the pandemic are, whatever your thoughts are on the future thoughts on the pandemic are, whatever your thoughts are on the future, that's the point of being the, the mentors and the coaches and the leadership for our young people, yeah, because we need to be teaching these young people how to be resilient and how to be positive and how to keep fighting every day and how to keep questioning and how to do their research and how to be positive and how to keep fighting every day and how to keep questioning and how to do their research and how to express themselves healthily 100%.
Speaker 2:Whilst also maintaining their own dignity and sanity.
Speaker 1:Yep, that's right Like that, that's it. I mean, that is the best point we can leave this on is empowering our youth for all those points right there. They should have the confidence to do all that stuff. They should know they should have people like us that mentor them into that position.
Speaker 1:Say look, it's okay to do all this stuff. You should be doing all this stuff and with that let's go ahead and end this segment. That got kind of deep. It's supposed to be a fun segment. Damn it. What was fun I had fun, I had fun.
Speaker 4:The Minx had fun. I think she's still awake.
Speaker 1:She's not talking. Can you say hello?
Speaker 2:She's spoken a couple of times.
Speaker 1:That was like a good hello to us. So, emma, we appreciate you coming here tonight.
Speaker 2:We know it's late. This was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:Honestly, this has been the most fun we've had. I agree this has been a good one.
Speaker 2:I mean, this is episode two, so it's not. I mean, we've done a lot of test episodes, a lot of test episodes.
Speaker 4:There's nothing I like more. I mean, we've done a lot of test episodes, killing it, a lot of test episodes Killing it.
Speaker 2:There's nothing I like more than to kill things.
Speaker 1:Look, you're really episode one. Episode one is a conglomerate of recordings, so you're actually episode one, but I had to put you as episode two.
Speaker 2:Listen, I'm here for it. I'm so glad that I could be here. So to listen, I'm here for it and I'm so glad that I could be here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, coming up, we have a lot, of, a lot of really good guests like you that have good stories that have you know. Hey, they're fighting for something. They're fighting for their voice to be heard and have a message about certain topics all important to them, important to me, and I bet you, if you heard them and talk to them, they'd be important to you too, just like your messages. But this has been awesome and I hope to have you back. Hopefully we don't get a whole bunch of thumb down messages. You never know. Oh my gosh, how'd that come through? Amazing.
Speaker 4:It's the Minx.
Speaker 1:None of those buttons were working earlier.
Speaker 2:What the. She knows how to press your buttons.
Speaker 4:Minx knows how to press your buttons. Guy Score.
Speaker 1:The Minx fixed it. Okay, cool, that's a wrap, then. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for joining us, you for joining us, and, mike, I love you, buddy I love you.