EP35: Sonic Activism: Macklemore's Anthems, Dystopian Reflections, and the Drive for Collective Justice
May 13, 2024Season 1Episode 35
Jenene & Kit
Embark on a sonic journey that will challenge your perceptions and ignite your passion for change. Macklemore's latest anthem, "Hins Hall," sets the stage for a profound exploration of music's impact on political discourse and social justice. In recalling the artist's previous work, we uncover the layers of activism embedded in his lyrics, from championing LGBTQ+ rights to advocating for sustainable living. The conversation then transitions to the literary realm, drawing striking comparisons between the dystopian world of "The Hunger Games" and the real-life struggles we confront today. You're in for an episode that not only resonates with the heart but also mobilizes the spirit for action.
As the dialogue progresses, we confront the complexities of modern activism and the struggle to achieve systemic change. Delve with us into the intricacies of boycotts and movements like BDS, and unravel their potential to foster transformation amidst a surveillance-laden reality. The comparison to the corporate world's HR departments reveals an unexpected kinship between organizational dynamics and social movements, both wrestling with entrenched systems. This episode promises to fuel your drive for disruption and arm you with insights into the sustained activism that history has shown is crucial for societal advancement.
Finally, we take a moment to celebrate the essence of community and the power of collective action. Through personal reflections on the contrast between American individualism and the communal ties observed in Guatemalan villages, this episode sheds light on the vital role of mutual support. The Land Back movement is brought into focus, advocating for the restitution of Native American lands as a cornerstone of intersectional justice. And as we revisit significant yet underappreciated events like the Stonewall riots, we're reminded of how vital historical literacy is to our collective journey forward. Prepare to be moved, enlightened, and connected through this earnest dialogue.
Embark on a sonic journey that will challenge your perceptions and ignite your passion for change. Macklemore's latest anthem, "Hins Hall," sets the stage for a profound exploration of music's impact on political discourse and social justice. In recalling the artist's previous work, we uncover the layers of activism embedded in his lyrics, from championing LGBTQ+ rights to advocating for sustainable living. The conversation then transitions to the literary realm, drawing striking comparisons between the dystopian world of "The Hunger Games" and the real-life struggles we confront today. You're in for an episode that not only resonates with the heart but also mobilizes the spirit for action.
As the dialogue progresses, we confront the complexities of modern activism and the struggle to achieve systemic change. Delve with us into the intricacies of boycotts and movements like BDS, and unravel their potential to foster transformation amidst a surveillance-laden reality. The comparison to the corporate world's HR departments reveals an unexpected kinship between organizational dynamics and social movements, both wrestling with entrenched systems. This episode promises to fuel your drive for disruption and arm you with insights into the sustained activism that history has shown is crucial for societal advancement.
Finally, we take a moment to celebrate the essence of community and the power of collective action. Through personal reflections on the contrast between American individualism and the communal ties observed in Guatemalan villages, this episode sheds light on the vital role of mutual support. The Land Back movement is brought into focus, advocating for the restitution of Native American lands as a cornerstone of intersectional justice. And as we revisit significant yet underappreciated events like the Stonewall riots, we're reminded of how vital historical literacy is to our collective journey forward. Prepare to be moved, enlightened, and connected through this earnest dialogue.
so I have to ask, because I've been seeing it all over the place and it is just so fucking incredible have you heard macklemore's new song?
Speaker 2:
I have not, but I.
Speaker 1:
That makes me really, really excited macklemore released a song called hins hall, which is about the pro-Palestine movement, and it is fucking incredible.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, wow. And when did it come out? Just this week, I think he released it.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, oh yeah. It was like a couple of days ago. He dropped it on Instagram and I had been checking Spotify every day and this morning was the first time I'd seen it, so it probably got added sometime last night or maybe yesterday, but yeah, it's really good. I was literally just listening to it, like as I was getting dressed and stuff like that today. It is incredible.
Speaker 2:
So you had a chance to listen to the lyrics. Amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1:
A lot of people have been posting it to TikTok too, with lyric videos and stuff like that. So, I don't know if Spotify has added lyrics. I'm not 100% sure Because, like I said, I was getting dressed while I was listening to it, so I wasn't focusing on the lyrics, but he's also performed it live. At this point, it's had one live performance that I've seen recorded. That was incredible.
Speaker 2:
That's amazing. I love their song that they came out with years ago. I mean, it was like I don't even know how long ago it was.
Speaker 1:
Same Love.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, same Love, yeah. Such a great tune too, did you?
Speaker 1:
know he actually broke his. He made history with that song.
Speaker 2:
Really no.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, when performing that song. It was, I think it was either the MTV Awards or it was the Grammys. It was some music award, mtv Awards or it was the Grammys. It was some music award. He was performing that song and had I believe it was 50 gay couples get married live in the middle of the studio while he was performing. It was considered a Guinness World Record for largest group marriage to ever occur. They've never had that many people get married simultaneously under the same building.
Speaker 2:
I just got full body chills with that. That's intense.
Speaker 1:
And even if you look back on even his older stuff, like Thrift Store, like yes it seemed like a silly song at the time, but looking back on it, that's a song about sustainability. That's a song about sustainability.
Speaker 2:
That's a song about anti-consumerism, about getting stuff used, and secondhand rather than contributing to the problem of over-consumerism and buying things new. Yeah, there's a dubstep version of that song that I really love too yeah, yeah, yeah good stuff I had no idea yeah, so wow the new macklemore song is incredible.
Speaker 1:
I recommend everyone go listen to it. Blow it up, uh what's it? Called number one on the charts. It's called hins hall hins hall h-i-n-d.
Speaker 1:
Apostrophe, s-h-a-l-l. It's the say, it's the the, the name of the little, the six-year-old little Palestinian girl who was killed in the car around her family and then used as bait to kill Red Crescent employees by the IDF. And recently Columbia has renamed Hamilton Hall to Hins Hall in memory of her. So that's why he named it. That was to call back to also the protests, but also to specifically this little girl.
Speaker 2:
Wow, that's incredible. That reminds me of a meme that I saw on social, just like a day or two ago, with that same little girl in the car next to the Met Gala. And just that dichotomy of this is going on a couple blocks away from each other this life versus that life, and the protests that to the Capitol, to absolutely to the these, these books that we read as as kids and and recognize like oh, suzanne Collins was right.
Speaker 1:
I literally saw a video of someone like you know, can you do like your mouth over an image of someone else, or? Like yeah it was someone speaking over Suzanne Collinsanne collins and he's like didn't I tell you? I tried to tell you, didn't I tell you? And when did I tell you? A long time ago yeah, I was.
Speaker 2:
Oh, my god crying I mean that is so accurate? Yeah, it does tend to happen, you know, people see things, they put it, they express it in their art and then later people look back and they're like oh my God, that was it. That was messaging, that was subliminal messaging, that was forecasting, foreshadowing, prophesying to a degree, you know.
Speaker 1:
Well, that's the thing she wrote.
Speaker 1:
The Hunger Games specifically, specifically the first one.
Speaker 1:
The whole idea around it was based around her sitting on her own couch during the time of the iraq war and and us invading iran and iraq and all those places, and the way she would flip through tv and go from like red carpet event, game show, bombs being dropped on children, mothers screaming over their, their dying families, movie premiere you know, like just the dystopian juxtapositions that she was seeing live on TV that we are all now witnessing live on our phones. Like we scroll from one video and it's about the Met Gala, and then the next video is a family pleading for their lives and safety, which also, by the way, if everyone hasn't, please go check out Operation Olive Branch on any social media. They're on Instagram, they're on TikTok. Go check them out at Operation Olive Branch. Go check out the link in their bio for their spreadsheet that has the master list of families. You can also adopt a family to help promote their fundraiser on your page. It doesn't matter how large or small a following you have. Go check that out, please.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, we get a lot further, faster. Yeah, we all come together for the cause.
Speaker 1:
Mutual aid saves lives. The queer community has known for a while no one is coming to save us but ourselves. And you know that can be stretched out wider, outside of just the queer community, to every marginalized community. No one is coming to save us but ourselves. And we have a better shot if we all band together, if we all work on each other's. That's exactly what they want. That's why it's still going on.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, that's the thing is the imperial the, the imperial clock keeps ticking.
Speaker 1:
You know, the clock of colonization has never actually stopped right, and it's only just recently with, with a very, you know, like a rise in the idea of like decolonizing your mindset and and and unlearning imperialism, unlearning these these things that were propagandized into us through western education and western media, and recognizing that there is so much more to life than that, there's so much more to everything than that yeah, like we could just have our own little communities where we all help each other, where where someone takes care of the sick and someone takes care of the children and someone takes care of the gardening and someone takes care of the cooking and no one has to to to do anything else to make sure that everyone is fed and housed.
Speaker 1:
Like, you just take care of the thing that you're, or you jump around from thing to thing. I mean, that would be my thing. I'm I'm very easily unsettled, so I would want to jump from task to task and learn 800 things and help everyone and you know so like, or you could do like there there are things outside of the system that we have been tricked into thinking is the only option. And I think for the first time, people are actually waking up to that, like, oh shit, there's another chance.
Speaker 2:
Right, one of my colleagues just posted, maybe a day ago or so, about these are the things that need to be taught in schools. And I'm like, oh, this should be really interesting because how to better communicate, and just a whole list of things that were not taught in school. And I just commented and I'm like, yeah, no, that's going to disrupt the entire brainwashing culture of our society. Like why would they start all of a sudden teaching that stuff in school now? So it's just crazy.
Speaker 1:
And that's the thing is even like looking past. That was like after the downfall of capitalism, when, like, when there is no such thing as money, when gold no longer has the value that we have intrinsically placed upon it Because, let's be real, the only value it actually has at this point is a conductor. That's the value of gold. It's a conductive metal, that's about it. But at the end of the day, we have placed it on such a higher pedestal than what it is actually useful for, like scientifically, Once these systems don't exist anymore, like, oh my God, that's.
Speaker 2:
Freedom, that's freedom right.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:
You know, the sustainability factor after the fall of capitalism reminds me of the zeitgeist movement that's been going on since, probably in the 90s I'm not really sure when it started or originated, but I started hearing about it in the late 90s and then, in the early 2000s, had went to some of the chapter meetings and they have in every single country there's like a chapter, and then they all get together at some point like throughout the course of the year, based on the calendar, and they have like an engineer and an astronaut and agriculture people and so on and so forth, and they just have come together to design blueprints, so on and so forth, and they just have come together to design blueprints.
Speaker 2:
For example, one of the things that I thought was most fascinating is even the way bathrooms are designed, like when you wash your hands at the sink, having that same water, then go into your toilet and refill it, so you're reusing the same water, right? You're kind of like maximizing the efficiency of the plumbing, and so, anyway, there were all these amazing airplane schematics for how to design an airplane, or how you know how to build a house that's sustainable with all recycled materials, everything's organic, everything kind of you know, so you're using less of the earth's resources and you're not using them at a rate that the earth can't replenish them over time, cause right now I think we're using the earth's resources over three times what it is actually sustainable by the earth. But it's just mind-blowing stuff and I have hope that one day that will come to fruition yeah, that's the thing is.
Speaker 1:
It's it's very much up to the countries who are using the most, because I feel like I feel like a lot of eco research and and and eco sustainability things of the past that have done their best not to disrupt Western culture very much target the people who contribute the least amount to things like climate change and imperialism and capitalism and are often the victims of these things and the victims of colonization and such. They are then like forced to brunt the the load of trying to create the sustainability you know and it's like they're not the ones causing the fucking problem.
Speaker 2:
But now they have to deal with yeah, now they have to deal with the unintended consequences and repercussions of those actions.
Speaker 1:
Of us? Yeah, because they ripple out or it's there's the idea of there's no ethical consumption under capitalism. Because, at the end of the day, like you look at these vast systems that not any one single person could even sometimes fathom, never mind try to get to the bottom of and understand and actually try to dismantle.
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 1:
But you know, that's why things like boycotts, things like the BDS movement, that, things like petitions that's the word I was looking for. Holy shit, even protests.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, protests, that's why these things.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, that's why these things matter. That's, at the end of the day, they I don't know. I feel like I've just definitely gone into a circle. It feels like sometimes one human being is so completely powerless to stop any of this. But we have watched this movement. Like starbucks lost so much money this past year, mcdonald's lost a lot of money. I see them still running deals on certain things that I'm using and stuff. But, like you know, like obviously boycott forever. Like but it's just, it's crazy, you know it's. It's crazy to see people saying like, oh, boycotts still don't do anything. These things still don't do anything. Like I call bullshit you're lying to me. They do do something, yeah that's valid.
Speaker 2:
I feel you on that. And also, what I'm noticing too is in the protests. You can't just protest and then when the cops come and say get out of here, you, you fold, you buckle. That's not a protest. It's like you're out on the street but then you do what you're told to do and then there's no change as a result. You know the protests that are going on right now with Palestine. They're, they're willing to go to jail for that, and that's, I think that's the point when true change can actually happen. Because that's a protest. You're saying it's worth my life. Essentially, I believe in this so much. It's worth.
Speaker 1:
Protests, absolutely, and protests are meant to be disruptive. That's the whole thing.
Speaker 2:
They are meant to disrupt.
Speaker 1:
They are meant to aggravate, they are meant to annoy. They are meant to get under your skin and inconvenience you. They are meant to disrupt and inconvenience. That's the whole idea of them. That's the point of them. But at the end of the day, I was actually very fascinating.
Speaker 1:
I think it was a Twitter thread from a sociology professor and a ethics professor, I believe she is. She was talking about the fact that the modern day protests, the modern day idea of protest, is entirely different from what it has ever been. Because we are living in a surveillance police state. Arrests are no longer as much of a burden on the system as they used to be, because we have an industrial prison complex, because it used to be a burden on that system. So they made the system better, so now it is no longer. So now they're just arresting these kids in mass and not actually feeling the weight of it. Arresting these kids in mass and not really feeling the weight of it because we are living in a surveillance state. They're now getting photos of these kids, uh, biological evidence, fingerprints, things that can then be used against these kids in the future to further surveil them and remove their rights I was gonna say, and ruin their lives too, because I know there's been threats of like we're gonna hold your diploma as your graduation date, etc.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, they have leverage to threaten them Modern day protest.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, modern day protest is very different from just the Vietnam War idea of we all get arrested. We strain the system. That in and of itself is a protest, you know, because it is kind of no longer. Now it's just more fuel for their fire, Now it's just more surveillance and no longer really a strain because again we have a prison, industrial complex. People are making money now off of these children they're arresting. It's no longer a strain, it's now profit. It's now slave labor.
Speaker 2:
Right, it's kind of the same concept of if you work for a company and the company employs an HR manager to deal with all the HR issues and something is happening to you as an employee, and then you go to that HR manager to say, hey, I'm being treated unfairly. Technically, the HR person is supposed to be Switzerland, they're supposed to be neutral and they're supposed to help you, but at the end of the day, they're employed by the organization. So, basically, a lot of times what happens is they take your testimony to then turn around and build a case against you, and so that's kind of what I feel this is. But, like on a larger scale, is that the more technology there is, the more systems that they have in place, the more people that try to exercise their freedom to speak and use their voices. It's like the more leverage is like we're saying, the more is used against them and the more they risk. Exactly.
Speaker 1:
You know a case is being built against them and again, yeah, and at the end of the day, like you know, says it right here on this real colorful, pretty bracelet ACAB.
Speaker 2:
There you go, cops are class traitors. Yep.
Speaker 1:
At the end of the day, cops are designed to protect property. They're designed to protect the rich. They originated from slave catchers. That's just a straight fact. The first police force in this country were a group of men whose job it was to capture runaway slaves. That was the first ever cop. So the institution is racist at its bones, at its very marrow, at its very root it. There are certain things that cannot be fixed. They have to be dismantled and then rebuilt. You can't fix something that is rotten at its root it has to be pulled up at the root.
Speaker 1:
It's like putting a crown over a tooth that's rotten into your gums. No the tooth's got to go and you've got to get the gum area cleaned out and healed, or else you're just going to continue to be in agony.
Speaker 2:
And if you think about the way, the whole, system's got to go, they're class traitors.
Speaker 2:
Exactly. If you think about the way the country is built, we'll just say built like a business. A business has its mission, its vision and its core values. Yeah, business mission and core values. And if the core values are such that they protect certain people, let's just say certain values, etc. And that's what it's built around and that's not working. And then what you're saying is we need to strip that back down. Yeah, we need to strip it back down and trade out the core values and then rebuild around the core values, because that's how it works. You can't just keep amending certain things when things happen, because the root of it is based in the core value itself.
Speaker 1:
So that makes the whole thing toxic, dysfunctional and considering that america, literally, is built like a corporation. We are a corporation at the end of the day, we are owned by corporations. We are, in and of ourselves, a corporate entity.
Speaker 1:
It, I, I, the whole thing's got to be abolished you know what I mean like the whole thing has to be in some way, shape or form, dismantled, and and again, that's not the end of it. I think anyone who who discusses the idea of change and only ever talks about destruction stay the fuck away from that person right, it's a hammer and a sickle, because there is building to be done here yeah there is more to go, like there.
Speaker 1:
There is a rebuild process, like. One of my favorite ways to think about it is there are these bridges in india and they took centuries to build because they are made out of the roots of these massive ancient trees Like. These trees are fucking huge and groups of people worked together to slowly cultivate these trees and wind their roots so that eventually it would be a bridge. The people who did this knew in the time of building this bridge that they would never live to see it finished, they would never live to cross it, but they did it anyway. That's what it's about. That's the point right there. That's the golden egg.
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 1:
It's the idea of being willing to put time. Willing to put time. It's the idea of being willing to put in the work and the energy necessary to build and create something, even if you will never get to reap the benefits that are seen from it.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, with the future generations in mind.
Speaker 1:
That's the core of revolution.
Speaker 2:
Right.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
And it's not just the actual building with the future generations in mind. And then you put the foundation in place and you leave it alone. You have to finesse and sculpt and shift and pivot and change and keep sculpting, keep pouring energy into that thing so that it gets stronger and stronger over time. You don't just revamp it and then not nurture it.
Speaker 1:
It's like the whole idea of art is revolution. Revolution is art. It is all one in the same. Revolution is an art, just as certain aspects of art are revolutionary or assist in a revolution. You know, like it all connects, it all intersects. That's why intersectionality is so important in organizing in in every aspect, in just thinking about the way every person can play a part in making change. The intersectionality is important because the artist has a role, the leader has a role, the fighter has a role, the thinker has a role, the philosopher has that. The thinker and the philosopher are basically the yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, yeah, cultures that haven't been completely Americanized still have certain values preserved, one of the things that I can share. As an example, vanessa's grandparents are both 86 and there's a Latin family that moved in across the street and last summer they started mowing the lawn for her grandparents and he didn't want anything in return. He didn't ask me, he just did it, and a couple of times her grandparents offered to give him a couple bucks. You know, just say thank you and try to be in fair exchange with him. And he said no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:
So then the other day, it was a really nice day out. Everybody was out mowing their lawns. He came over, he was mowing the lawn again and Vanessa said I got to go out and give him a couple bucks because it's only right. And so she goes out and he's like no, no, no, no, no. He's like you don't understand. He goes I. You know he has broken English because they just moved to the States like two years ago, and he goes, I do it for them and he's pointing to the house Second language.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, yeah, and I just thought that was amazing and I said to Vanessa you can't offer to pay them cash because it's actually offensive to them because their culture is such that it's an ethical and moral responsibility in their culture that they all take care of each other and they don't want to be paid or compensated for that. It's just the way it is for them. And here in america we just we don't care about the elderly population, we just throw them in homes or discard of them in different ways, and that's what we do. That's our culture, because it's not convenient and that's what we have been raised to exemplify. So I love that intersectionality piece because I feel like the older generations and the different cultures can definitely offer different perspectives and insight that you can't have being who you are and where you're from. You have to work as a team.
Speaker 1:
I know 100%, absolutely 100%, I think just real quick, something that I feel like, because that feels like such a perfect opportunity for like community building and just a little, if you have a meal that's like y'all's favorite to cook or something like that, or if anyone knows how to crochet, or like making a blanket for one of his kids or like making them like a nice, this is our favorite thing to cook. This is a meal from our you know heritage, from our culture, from our that it just the trading of goods and services, the barter and trade aspect of things, the like I'll babysit your kids and dinner and you know like it, it's just so good, it's just so good.
Speaker 1:
that's the kind of community I want to live in, a kind of community where, like, like, literally, I saw a video where this girl traded her focaccia bread for a printer and I was like yes, Love that world. I want to live.
Speaker 2:
That's amazing, yeah, no, I totally agree.
Speaker 1:
Videos on the internet for a while, yeah yeah, that's the economy I want. I want my economy based in goods in focaccia bread.
Speaker 2:
I love that, yeah, the trading and bartering. I also love the idea of gifting. Gifting is amazing because some people just go to the store and they're like, oh, I'll say thank you, buying this person a generic bottle of red wine or something, and then it turns out like you didn't know that your colleague was sober for 10 years or something, and it's like you didn't do your research. But I love this idea of gifting, and especially personal gifting, because true gifting, or what they call it like giftology, is that you, like you said, you share something personal to you that you know that they would enjoy, or you actually listen to them and do your homework in something that you can make for them, or you can get custom made, or you can just deliver to them. That would just.
Speaker 1:
I mean hit them in the heart chakra, you know. So that's the whole point. But I love that. It's just one of those things that you know. Mutual aid, community building it starts with really small things. It's just being a good neighbor. Other cultures have it down pretty easy. I will say you know what I mean. Like they understand what it takes to like build a community. But you know a lot of Americanized individual cultures. American culture is very individualistic. It's very me, me, me, me, me. As long as I'm okay and my family's okay and my friends are okay, fuck everyone else.
Speaker 2:
You're right, it's very me-centric and that's how we got where we are, where there. Yeah, and that's how we got. You're right, it's very me-centric losing their fucking minds because they don't have any kind of human interaction. You know, it's all relative to I went to guatemala when I was a graduate student. I went with the agriculture team they were going to work on some sustainability stuff and um, I saw the group advertise and I'm like, well, I, I study spanish in college, so let me see if I can like kind of hitch even though I was a music major like hitch onto their, their, uh, their mission, their mission, and um, they, they approved it and I.
Speaker 2:
So, anyway, we went to Guatemala, for I think it was 10 days or two weeks and we went to 22 indigenous communities and sort of the thing that I recognized was that they felt they didn't have access to cause. A lot of them were cut off to state aid, so they didn't have, like a postal system. Um, a lot of them didn't have, you know, it was on foot transportation or they'd have a pickup truck that 30 of them would pile in the back, you know, to get from A to B. They didn't have modern plumbing so they would walk to the creek to get whatever they needed, you know, in terms of basic needs water, bathing, etc. And so it was really eye opening to go on this trip because we take what we have for granted.
Speaker 2:
But then when you go to a country like that, they're looking at us like I was asked by a woman, um, to take her child back to the states with me because she said she loved her, her child so much that she wanted her child to have opportunities that we, like we have in america, and it's just, it was like mind-blowing to me because I was like looking at them, like you guys have so much community here, you guys all work together, you eat as a family and their families are like a community wide, 50 people at a table and they all work together to work on everything. And it just I was like we don't even know our neighbors' names, like it's just mind blowing, but they got the community all over us.
Speaker 1:
No, that's yeah, mind-blowing, but they got the community all over us. No, that's yeah, uh, what I mean. That's one of the reasons why I stand firmly with the land back movement, which is the idea of giving ownership and environmental rights of america back to the native americans and it's not like that we all leave, mind you.
Speaker 1:
So for people out there who don't understand the land back movement, I heavily recommend looking into it further Because, mind you I don't know if you've noticed me I'm not an expert on things like the land back movement and stuff like that. I am in no way, shape or form claiming to be, but I am very much a part of and believe in the land back movement, which is the idea of giving Native Americans the sovereign rights of the land back. So it's not that we would all have to leave, but we would no longer get to decide how the resources are broken up, how, you know, the economy works. We would basically give back control over the way it functions. It would be very mutual, very kind, but it would be a return of control over how things are cultivated, how things are grown, how things are managed and handled, and it would be much more equivalent and everything.
Speaker 1:
And I am a firm believer in the land back movement and like I said if y'all don't know about it, I heavily recommend looking into it, because it plays a very big role in the idea of intersectional justice.
Speaker 2:
One thing to go along with that. The land back movement also is like we were talking about earlier, about doing the complete rebuild, ripping it down to the we'll call it the chassis. You know, just ripping it down to rebuilding the foundation is like we can't, you know, just ripping it down to rebuilding the foundation is like we can't rebuild something if we don't first make amends.
Speaker 1:
Yes, oh my God, yes, no, absolutely. Things like reparations, things like the absolutely amends need to be made 100%. Yes, that is. That is a big part of tearing things down to the foundation is looking that foundation in the face and being honest about it and being genuinely remorseful about it and willing to learn from it. And then you know, do better in the coming years, do better in the future.
Speaker 2:
Yeah Well, do you want to jump to a fun fact? Do you have one for today?
Speaker 1:
So, for our fun fact today, we're going to change it up a little bit, because this whole episode was a little bit of a mix up, and we're going to have these thrown in every once in a while because they're fun. So what's one point in history you wish people knew more about?
Speaker 2:
Well, for me, I think, what immediately comes to mind are the Stonewall riots, because I feel like, unless you're in the queer community and even a lot of people in the queer community don't really know exactly what happened they're not able to speak articulately about why that's such a significantly important, impactful time in our history, and I just wish more people would know about it and its significance. What about you?
Speaker 1:
I wish people would learn more about the impact that the Reagan era had on literally fucking everything, from education to finances, to our health system, to literally everything. I wish people really understood more of the intricacies and the effects of the Reagan era, because, oh, oh, my god, they are plentiful. Thank you,