EP42: Debating with Heart: Politics, Pride, and the Power of Stories

Can political debates be more than just a battlefield of insults? In this compelling episode, we scrutinize the current state of political discourse and highlight the dire need for empathy and understanding in debates. Reflecting on the missed opportunities for progressive organizing under Biden's administration, we make a bold statement about the necessity of active engagement to pave the way for a brighter future. We share our frustrations with recent political debates, where candidates seem more interested in attacking each other than connecting with the public, and emphasize the importance of acknowledging and understanding opposing viewpoints to foster meaningful dialogue.

Switching gears to celebrate unapologetically queer pop culture, we recount a heartfelt story about supporting a trans teenager with a handmade gift coded with trans colors. This clever act of solidarity opens up a discussion about the ways we can support each other without causing family conflict. We also revel in the visibility of queer icons like Chapel Roan, who recently graced Jimmy Fallon’s show with her unabashedly queer presence, and Troye Sivan. Wrapping up this section, we share an emotional anecdote about the New York City Gay Men's Chorus and the impact of sharing personal stories in professional spaces, even when faced with online hate.

Lastly, we delve into the challenges and resilience required to navigate online intolerance. The importance of creating safe, inclusive spaces and the dangers of tolerating intolerance are thoroughly examined. We touch on rainbow capitalism and media representation, acknowledging their flaws but also their contributions to societal progress. Our conversation rounds out with the exciting discovery of the Queer Liberation Library, a rich collection of queer-themed literature accessible through Libby, and a light-hearted chat about generational slang and the evolving landscape of youth culture. Join us for an engaging episode filled with thought-provoking discussions and heartwarming stories.

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Speaker 1: 0:24

that's just two people yelling at each other. That's not a debate. In order to keep the conversation healthy and move on, you have to acknowledge the other person yeah, I myself am not like guiltless in in this.

Speaker 2: 0:41

We have to organize. Under biden, you know, and a lot of white liberals, when biden got elected in 2020 and it was no longer Trump, we were like OK, we're in the clear, we can rest. That wasn't the time to rest, that was the time to organize, that was the time to act.

Speaker 1: 0:59

Right To get ahead.

Speaker 2: 1:00

We did it wrong. We all did it wrong. We wasted the last four years. That's what we did. We wasted that time while people of color and other organizers were screaming at us that this is the time we wasted it. I hate it with every fiber of my soul. I'm probably going to end up voting for Biden. It is with the understanding that if he wins, we have to use these next four years to organize for a more progressive left movement of the overture window. Agreed, yeah, like we have to actually act on that. We can't just get comfortable with. Okay, it's Biden again. For the next four years we're safe, and then the next four years, we're safe. And then in four years we're in the same fucking place with two other geriatric fucks we can't do this.

Speaker 1: 1:52

I'm tired of the trump and biden show exactly I, I'm, I'm just irritated like my. I can feel my sphincter tight tightening over it. I'm irritated that, like we're here with these two jokers again, you know that debate was painful to watch for anyone who watched it.

Speaker 2: 2:05

I'm irritated that, like, we're here with these two jokers again. Yeah, that debate was painful to watch for anyone who watched it, I'm sure it was painful, it was, it was deeply painful for for anyone listening.

Speaker 2: 2:14

Uh, we are recording this the the day after the debate, which is why we are discussing it, just so y'all know, because this episode is going to come out in a couple couple days from now, but this is all fresh in our heads and in our minds and stuff like that, so I just wanted to get 90 minutes of brain cells we'll never get back god, one of the funniest things was I can't remember who it was that posted it, but it was like an official news account posting people on both sides of the aisle like republicans, democrats, just like, face palming at different points to debate, just like.

Speaker 1: 2:46

And the song in the background was fergie's rendition of the national anthem oh my god fergie sung it really badly oh my god, oh that's yeah wow sorry I just had to add that because it was perfection.

Speaker 1: 3:08

I was like, okay, that's a great video one of the things I was thinking about during the debates, like while I was watching them, was I just I would love to see everybody's collective faces during that 90 minute debate. And, by the way, that's not a debate. A debate is reasonably and respectfully defending your perspective, without finger pointing and using your time just to step on somebody else's neck. It's just. It was really ridiculous how they just wasted their time, the time that they did have. They didn't speak to the people. They were so busy pointing the fingers at each other. They, they, they.

Speaker 2: 3:49

They did not succeed in connecting with the people exactly, and another major thing about a debate that I think we have just entirely lost is a debate is about learning and teaching absolutely it is. It is two sides of that, like dichotomous relationship of learning and teaching with both the person you're debating with and anyone who's watching. You're teaching them your point of view and and why your point of view is better than the other person's. It's a. It's a persuasive essay in spoken form.

Speaker 1: 4:29

Yeah, yeah it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be an invitation to people like you. Connect with them first, then you invite them in to kind of stand in your shoes, see things from your perspective. You know it's. It's helping people come to that new level of understanding, or deeper understanding of what you stand for.

Speaker 2: 4:50

I figured it out there is a level of empathy that is necessary for proper debating. Holy shit, I never thought of it like that before and I think that honestly, and I think it honestly makes sense why me and my stepdad could never properly debate when it comes to that fact. Because, like he and I have always struggled with having empathy toward one another, like me with him, him with me. You know, it's just something that we have caught, we have struggled with throughout our relationship but and that makes sense why we could never debate with each other. We could never debate with each other because there is a level of empathy that is required for a proper, like actually conducive, conductive debate, like a conversation that actually gets people somewhere. You have to actually be able to take yourself out of your own shoes and put yourself in the other person's, and without that you're not getting anywhere.

Speaker 1: 5:40

Yeah, it's also a skill set. You know it requires empathy, but it's also a skillset in acknowledging the other person and what they're saying to a point where you understand where they're coming from. It doesn't mean necessarily that you agree with them. You can respectfully disagree, but in order to keep the conversation healthy and move on, you have to acknowledge the other person. And most people when they argue, slash, debate, they're just listening to the other person to respond. That's all they're doing. They're listening to respond and sometimes they don't even let them finish. They cut them off because they can't wait to just throw up in the other person's face, so much so that they don't even hear what they're saying. That's not a debate, that's just two people yelling at each other, and the fact that the moderator had to turn on and off their mics is embarrassing.

Speaker 2: 6:34

Just, I didn't even, I'm not even gonna front y'all. I know this probably makes me a bad political activist. I didn't watch the debate last night. I have mentioned this before, but I am living with a rather transphobic conservative alt-right, basically neo-nazi.

Speaker 2: 6:50

Um, love her, love her but, you know, uh, we struggle on a lot of things, but, um, because of that, I just uh, you know, sometimes have to step away from the political aspect of things, also don't have access to live television in my room and would basically have had to have watched it out there on Fox. Yeah, so like yeah, I didn't, I didn't watch it y'all Sorry. I honestly I couldn't do that to myself.

Speaker 1: 7:18

Yeah, honestly, I was thinking about do I even want to do this? Do I even want to? It's 90 minutes, right. And I said, said, let me kind of dip my toes, turn on the tv, just kind of check it out, see what it was about. It was so ridiculous, so ridiculous. I couldn't stop watching it.

Speaker 2: 7:30

That's how ridiculous it was honestly, I might watch a recording of it tonight if I can find it on like youtube or on some like news channel or something like that, and, uh, make it a drinking game why not?

Speaker 1: 7:41

or some other, or some other modifier. Yeah, who knows?

Speaker 2: 7:45

who knows, everybody, who knows oh my god yeah, it's just uh in in in other news. Um, I don't really watch late night tv because you know I unless it's ncis content. I actually don't really watch ncis, but you're so valid for that, um, but I prefer other content. I actually watch the John Oliver show a lot. I watch John Oliver a lot. He's fucking hilarious.

Speaker 1: 8:12

John Oliver is fantastic. Is that why you?

Speaker 2: 8:13

like him. Mm-hmm, he's really funny. He was trained by Jon Stewart. So, like most of those like comedy journalists that we all know of were trained by Jon Stewart and you can just tell you know, like he's, he's very much got that that certain something and he's, he's really really. He actually very recently offered a deal to supreme court, supreme court justice, clarence thomas. That was a 100 legitimate deal where he was going to give him like one of the nicest rvs on the market, because clarence thomas is really into like rvs and shit for some reason. He was gonna give him a nice rv and a million dollars a year to retire from the supreme court.

Speaker 2: 8:53

Wow, because of how much he fucking hates clarence thomas wow he was like all you need to do is leave us alone and all this can be yours. It was incredible. And then, like a day before that deal's time went out, clarence thomas did two no call, no shows from the supreme court and everyone was like is he gonna take the deal? Did he I don't think, or is he?

Speaker 1: 9:20

I should say is he thinking about it?

Speaker 2: 9:22

I don't know. I I think the deal, I think the time lock ended I'm not 100% sure. I think the time ran out and he didn't end up accepting it. I don't know, but like that was one of the funniest things. I love comedy. It was perfect yeah.

Speaker 1: 9:37

When people have the skill set where they can actually incorporate comedy into hard topics and they just they're so funny and they just make it light and it incorporate comedy into hard topics and they just they're so funny and they just make it light and it makes you feel like, okay, the world is burning down around me, but everything's gonna be okay.

Speaker 2: 9:53

Literally that's john oliver. Literally that's john oliver. Even like, at one point he actually he, he, he I don't remember exactly what law it was that he like pulled a stunt to force to get past, but it was some type of like data protection, like to to protect you from like it being seen which ads you click on and like target some something along those lines. If anyone knows, send us a dm, let me know, because I cannot remember what law that was.

Speaker 2: 10:20

But, um, he basically did a stunt on his show where he launched three separate targeted ads into the area of congress, one of which being about hooking up with men, I believe, one of which being about finding young something, and they were just like three of the most unhinged kind of nasty like, very like, like, like talking about finding like young people to have sex with, like very like that's almost pedophilia not quite legal enough to be like yeah, like really gross, weird, like kind of ads. And he gathered the information of everyone who clicked on the ad from within Congress and he was like y'all better pass this law before. I just release this information, because it's legal too, so I can let everyone know who clicked on the ad to find the 18 year old girl. Like you know what I like? Yeah, that law got passed in days Because he was literally just going to tell everyone who was clicking on what's ads from within the Congress.

Speaker 1: 11:29

There's no honor anymore, Like there's no sanctity of privacy, there's no, you know, just honoring other people minding your business. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 11:39

And so John Oliver made a point about that. He was like if you're not going to honor our privacy, I'm not going to honor yours. Get wrecked, and I'm so here for it absolutely 100 some people just have to learn a hard lesson. You know yeah no, like it's like those people, it's like those people who are like oh, those little they thems like I will punch you in the face oh, yeah, yeah, I'm not just here to get shit on. I don't know where you learned that I.

Speaker 1: 12:10

I haven't gotten that yet. I mean to me personally, but I have gotten asked questions for clarification on what does that mean?

Speaker 2: 12:19

yeah, and that's you know, you know that's. I am always here for healthy curiosity.

Speaker 1: 12:24

I am always here for, but you know, the others yeah, we got into a really good conversation about a week ago with a friend of mine who's about six years older than me and it was great and my mom was in the kitchen with us and she was learning and we talked about a lot of things and my my friend was like I had no idea. Like how do I not know this stuff? Like am I that old? And I'm like I think our generation was just like we were exposed to different things and unless you make an effort, you're not going to know. Like you just don't know how to be inclusive when the world is changing, to move from DEI-centered perspectives, and like what does that look like? You have to actually make an effort to learn that.

Speaker 2: 13:17

Oh, absolutely, that is so fair. I was funny enough scrolling on Tumblr before we got on call and there was someone posted a story about the fact that she was working a nonprofit booth for a queer family a queer nonprofit and she had someone come up looking for flags and it was an older woman who was asking, like, what the different flags mean and she pointed to the asexual flag and this person explained asexuality and this whole woman's face like lit up and it was like oh huh, and she was like if you want some more information, she handed her like a pamphlet and she ended up taking an asexuality flag and sticking it in her hair and at the end of this post was just like you know, you hear a lot of discourse online where it's like, why do we need to keep talking about x? Everyone knows about it. And it's like, yeah, everyone on the internet might, but that doesn't mean everyone knows about it. And just because everyone on the internet is a real person doesn't mean the internet is real life.

Speaker 2: 14:15

Like we still need to talk about these things.

Speaker 1: 14:18

And just because everyone on the internet is exposed to it doesn't mean that they actually understand it to the level that they should understand it to be able to talk about it articulately and actually teach people in their orbits and in their communities. You know how to be better humans, right? I mean I see ads for different things all day long. It doesn't mean I understand a lick about them.

Speaker 1: 14:38

No, you're real, I understand you know, definitely can't speak intelligently about them. So quick story my partner's friend who passed away a few years ago, left behind four children, and one of which is trans, and they had a special day. Long story short, we handmade a gift for them. I'm using they, them pronouns, but they also like he, him. They're 14 years old and it's very difficult to go home because they're being raised by their grandparents because their mom passed away and the grandparents don't really. They're like, no, we don't understand this, and so therefore, no, we're raising you and you're going to be. You're going to listen to what we have to say in our home under this roof. You're going to listen to what we have to say in our home, under this roof.

Speaker 1: 15:28

And so the handmade gift was it was artwork and we used the trans colors to color the whole thing. So we basically spoke in code to them and presented it in front of family members on the night of their performance. Oh, that's so cute, yeah. And at one point their aunt had asked me a question how come you didn't color in the white parts? And I was like, oh no, they're colored with a white colored pencil. It's meant to be that way, yeah, anyway, just thought that was cute.

Speaker 2: 16:06

That's funny. I love that. Oh my God, that's fantastic funny. I love that. Oh my god, that's fantastic. I love that so much. That's really cute.

Speaker 1: 16:12

No, that's any anything like you gotta. You gotta do what you gotta do to keep people safe yeah, anything like that is extraordinarily helpful yeah, absolutely that's great.

Speaker 2: 16:21

I love that. That's fantastic. Uh, the reason I brought up late night TV a little bit ago is because Chapel Roan was interviewed by Jimmy Fallon and I'm sure that a lot of y'all have seen it. But, like girl, it was so good. She was popping off with references. Everyone in the audience was loving it and it was so funny. She referenced a very famous drag queen and a bunch of people in the audience started yeah, and she was like there's gay people here. And jimmy fallon was just like, ah, there's gay people here. He just didn't know how to interact. It was so funny, it was so good. He just didn't.

Speaker 1: 17:06

Oh, my god, that's so funny to go going back to jimmy fallon, because I've I've never watched him, so neither have I really. So what I mean I am, I feel like maybe I'm missing the punchline, but like, am I interpreting that correctly? Like what was so funny?

Speaker 2: 17:23

and it was more just that, like he got so uncomfortable, like he didn't know what to do or say, with just like she was so very like visibly queer she was saying references. She was doing the little drag queen nail clap. Like she was popping off as the queer icon of this decade.

Speaker 1: 17:44

And he was Jimmy.

Speaker 2: 17:44

Fallon just didn't know what to do.

Speaker 1: 17:47

Oh, my God.

Speaker 2: 17:47

He just didn't know what to do. Oh my god, he just didn't know what to do. At the very beginning of their interview. The same thing that happened when he interviewed RuPaul happened a second time. Same thing happened with RuPaul, where he told them so I googled you before you came in and RuPaul went oh, you didn't know who. I was Like a queen. And Chapel Roan did the same thing amazing, I could picture that jimmy fallon went. So I googled you and she went.

Speaker 1: 18:11

Oh, because you didn't know who I was and slayed it it's ridiculous queer icon shit everybody knows rupaul like you can't, you can't make that up.

Speaker 2: 18:22

It's just uh, they both just absolutely fucking slayed and it's. It's great because we're seeing queer icons not just like be queer icons, but be so visibly queer Into their truth Like yes, like, really like, even like Chapel Roan's songs are about having girlfriends and, like you know, like being yourself Phenomenal music, by the way, I love. But it's just like like we're finally having this generation of queer icons who are unabashedly queer, even like troy savan, who I have loved, oh my god, for so long.

Speaker 2: 18:56

I, yes, I, um, it's just we're seeing a whole generation of of final like queer icons that are like queer in your face about it, not going to compromise any sense of their own authenticity, and I am here for it me too, all the way. I love it. So yeah, actually, troye Sivan's new music video is fantastic. They literally cross dress in it and it's so good, it's so good can you spell their last name?

Speaker 1: 19:31

just if you just want to check him out. I got it it's T-R-O-Y-E-S-I-V-A-N and they're an Australian singer songwriter.

Speaker 2: 19:43

I didn't know they were Australian For the ripe old age of 29. Shut up. I didn't know Trey Jones was about my age. Oh my God.

Speaker 1: 19:53

Crazy yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:55

Love that, honestly. Incredible, just such vibes. But yes, that is, you know, the queer pop culture stuff that I have been seeing recently that has been making me cry, laugh, because that those clips my friend has been sending me all of them and we've just been hackling you should be sending me them so that I can laugh. Oh, my god definitely absolutely I got.

Speaker 1: 20:21

I didn't. I didn't tell you. Um, I got my first hate mail. Yeah, I have a nurture sequence that goes out. People that sign up to my. You know they opt in to receive my emails for the office and I pre-write them, but they're all they. I wrote them all in real time and they go into the system and it's automated. But they're all my personal stories and I tell them from the heart. And one was the time we went to see the New York City Gay Men's Chorus and somebody wrote back two horrific paragraphs. And what's so funny is, for the first time, I think I'm I'm feeling so strong in my queerness lately, like just in general.

Speaker 1: 21:05

I was unfazed by that email, like, literally, I know that there's haters in the world, but I, I didn't let it get an ounce of me and I just replied get an ounce of me. And I just replied feel free to unsubscribe. There's a fucking unsubscribe link at the bottom for a reason. And you're either stupid well, we know you're stupid. Well, well, we know you're angry. I don't know about stupid, but clearly you could have just hit unsubscribe. But I'll spare you. But if you ever want to read it, let me know, cause I I was like, oh my God, you have got to be kidding me. But I said you know what I? I love being polarizing, I love the fact that we're a safe space, we're queer, we're out, we're loud, we're artistic, we're working with a lot of artists and shaking. We're changing the energy of the world, we're healing people.

Speaker 2: 21:58

And if you can't get down with that, bye Janet you know there's a lot of harm in things like rainbow capitalism and things like poor representation, bad media representation or even just like very shallow media representation has a lot of like aspects of it. That isn't very good, especially once you start to understand queer theory and stuff like that. I would say bad representation, always bad. Shallow representation is more what I'm talking about here. But things like shallow representation, rainbow capitalism, while these have their dark sides, their pitfalls, their downfalls, they are, at the end of the day, societal litmus tests. They are societal overture windows in their own special little senses. You know, like where they show queer people, especially in areas like I live in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, or even more middle of buttfuck nowhere there were then where I live, you know, it shows people a a overall nation feeling about queerness, you know, and when we start to see those things go away, when we start to see those things just like no longer happening at all, we should be concerned.

Speaker 1: 23:38

Right.

Speaker 2: 23:39

And, and I don't know, like, that's not good, that's, that's, it's a sign that things aren't going in a good direction. You know it's, it's, definitely it's also helping to.

Speaker 1: 23:53

You know how, like, for example, like in sales, you want to speak to your potential client with their maybe possible objections, right, so you can get ahead of them. So these people, these haters that are trying to tear us down and spread hate under the Christian cloak, I might add, which never made sense to me but whatever the only thing that they're doing, they're serving us because they're making us stronger, they're making us more resilient, and they're they're just making it. I mean, I'm getting to a point now where you know it never lands. Well, it's always kind of a disappointment initially, but I'm to the point now where I'm like I need to live my life and I surround myself with the most amazing, amazing people, like, like I, I, I want to feel like every day is an explosion of art. That that's what I want to feel every day, cause those are the people that I'm hanging out with, and so something like that is just. It becomes so trivial at a certain point.

Speaker 2: 24:50

No, and that's so fair and I definitely like, I totally understand that and I definitely agree with that. At the same time, there are so many people out there who can't handle things like that. And people like that. Once they realize that the person they're going after doesn't give a shit, they're gonna go find someone who does.

Speaker 2: 25:12

They're gonna go find someone who they can drive to kill themselves with their words because that's what they're after, that's what they want. They want less queer people, whatever means necessary, like that. That's the thing that gets me is a lot of the times these people don't just stop with the one person that they are aren't affecting, especially if they aren't affecting them. They'll go find someone they can affect, and that's when the situation does get. I mean, it's even like I've been thinking about this so much recently the old adage of if you let one Nazi in your bar, you have a Nazi bar.

Speaker 1: 25:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:57

I feel like that we forgot that. I feel we forgot that, like you know, if you let one nazi feel safe in your space, your space is officially safe for all nazis, because then they're gonna invite their buddy, and then they're gonna invite their other buddy, and then they're gonna invite their other buddy.

Speaker 1: 26:12

And now your space is only safe for nazis right, which is exactly why I told her to unsubscribe, because, even though she I will never use your chiropractic services, I'm like I would. You would never make it past my pre-qualification.

Speaker 2: 26:27

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 26:27

I would never open up my office and subject the rest of my tribe and my practice members to you.

Speaker 2: 26:32

Exactly Like. That's a big part of it. Also is there's a podcast I listen to that talks very infrequently. It's a comedy podcast, but very infrequently one of the members of it will discuss the fact that, like you, cannot tolerate intolerance.

Speaker 1: 26:49

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 26:50

There are certain thought processes, like hate, that you cannot tolerate. There is no tolerance for that, because once you tolerate it, you make it feel like it's okay, like you can't like like that whole idea of like tolerate everybody needs to have an asterisk next to it because you cannot tolerate the intolerant right, because then the yeah, like that's, once you let one Nazi in you become a Nazi establishment period.

Speaker 1: 27:20

Yeah, hey, before you mentioned queer theory and it just got me thinking about you know how you can go to school and you can actually do an entire bachelor's degree on like women's studies. Yes, I wonder if they're going to do that for like queer things, queer topics.

Speaker 2: 27:36

I think you can.

Speaker 1: 27:38

You can now.

Speaker 2: 27:39

I think you can. I do believe they have like majors. Hold on, because now I'm curious. Lgbtq studies is an interdisciplinary academic field that explores the role of sexuality in organizing and structuring societies and in shaping and delimiting personal desires and behaviors. So yeah, lgbtq studies is a whole major.

Speaker 1: 28:04

I wonder, I wonder if it's taught from a queer lens, you know, or if it's like yeah, queer and sexuality studies.

Speaker 2: 28:12

almost every single university I'm scrolling past has some type of queer and sexuality studies program and genuinely I think that all depends on the university and the teacher specifically, just like with any other class.

Speaker 1: 28:25

Yeah, you know what? That's pretty freaking awesome.

Speaker 2: 28:28

If you're learning queer studies from a homophobe, it's not going to be a good queer studies class. But I also don't know why a homophobe would even go into queer studies in the first place without at least unlearning there in the process.

Speaker 1: 28:41

You know what I mean. You remember that chick? I told you sent me the hate mail and you said, oh, they're going to find places to destroy us Real.

Speaker 2: 28:52

They major in queer theory. They attack from the inside out Can you imagine. But, yeah, I definitely think that the quality of the programs just depends on, like, the schools and the teachers. Just like with a lot of other like, even like women's studies programs, the quality of the program depends on the school in which the women's study program comes from and the professor teaching it.

Speaker 1: 29:18

Yeah, that's wild. I would love to look into that and just see the differences between the different universities and what the program entails and everything. Because, like I mean, I have my doctorate, but also like I'm a lifelong learner and not that I would do it right in this moment, just because you know we just opened and everything like that, and it's just there's a time and a place for everything. But I would definitely put that on my radar no, that's so valid.

Speaker 2: 29:43

I totally. I actually um just recently got my library card for the queer liberation library online, which is really yeah, I literally signed up for it and they emailed me my card, so now I just log in and I, I can. I, you can do up to three three checkouts and five holds, or it's the other way around.

Speaker 1: 30:05

I might be mistaken per month or at a time at a time.

Speaker 2: 30:08

I think it is yeah, that's amazing.

Speaker 1: 30:10

And is it all just uh, literature written by queer people, or it's.

Speaker 2: 30:15

I think it's so. From my understanding, from having scrolled through it, it is everything from mangas to fiction, to non-fiction, to children's books, to every genre and type of book you can think of that either has queer theming or queer characters. I do not know if the identity of the author is taken into account when the book is added. That I could not tell you. But from what I've been seeing, some of the nonfiction books were super fascinating looking. I'm very excited to really dive in. There's a lot of audiobook options, which is really exciting.

Speaker 1: 30:51

Very cool. And what's it called the Queer Liberation Library?

Speaker 2: 30:55

Yep, it was run through Libbycom.

Speaker 1: 30:58

Oh, I know Libbycom. Oh, which is basically yeah we've talked about libby before yep super cool.

Speaker 2: 31:05

Oh, that's awesome, that's how I found it amazing. I was scrolling through libby and I was like, wait, what?

Speaker 1: 31:11

you're holding out on me.

Speaker 2: 31:12

You didn't tell me that I'm so sorry, I thought I did. No, you're you're.

Speaker 1: 31:16

No, you're cool, I'm just messing with you, valid? I did tell you.

Speaker 2: 31:21

Do keep me cool, though, yes I try, I, I try, I try to keep myself cool. The other day I heard someone say that anyone born before 2000 is officially unk status, and I was like before 30, and being called unk is insane behavior. What are you doing?

Speaker 1: 31:40

These fucking kids, you got to keep up with them, though Evolving like wildfire For real. Outro Music.