#DDMS Episode 29: Ethics, Controversies, and Community: A Law Enforcement Perspective

How does one juggle the emotional weight of family loss while navigating professional demands and the ups and downs of farm life? Join me as I share a deeply personal journey of helping my mom transition after my dad's passing, managing her move, and dealing with the intense workload at my job—especially handling a significant arson case. On the home front, the trials of farm life come to light, from the heartbreak of losing a favorite pig and a beloved dog to the joy of welcoming new chicks. Through these challenges, I strive to find balance and keep moving forward.

Why do some law enforcement agencies thrive while others struggle under budget constraints and leadership woes? We explore the internal turmoil and budget struggles faced by our agency compared to a neighboring one with a contrasting approach to policing. From leadership impact on officer morale and community perception to the ramifications of prioritizing arrest statistics over meaningful policing, the discussion uncovers the strain of inadequate funding. The conversation highlights the importance of community relationships and the external pressures from competing policing philosophies.

Ethical lapses in a local sheriff's campaign and the ironies of political controversy take center stage. I express my concerns over a candidate who disregards campaign rules, stressing the importance of ethics in leadership. The episode also touches on the community stress from these issues and my own reflections on future decisions within the agency. Adding a touch of humor, we discuss public perceptions of figures like Donald Trump and George Floyd, and I share my enjoyment in creating provocative content that sparks lively reactions. This episode offers a compelling mix of personal stories, professional insights, and thought-provoking commentary.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:04

Warning, warning, warning. This content may be sensitive to some. If you feel the need to leave, it is completely understandable. Content may contain examples of death, suicide, sexual content and other shit. We don't know what we're going to get into. This is not to offend anyone or upset anyone on purpose. This isn't your typical Deputy Dane, so listen at your own risk. Sit back and enjoy.

Speaker 2: 0:44

Good morning everybody. Welcome to the Deputy Dane Morning Show. I appreciate all y'all for being here. We got some stuff to get into. I really don't know what we're going to get into, but we'll get into something.

Speaker 1: 0:55

Sit back. Oh yep, there's the sirens. I think we're all going to be detained. Sit back and enjoy the show.

Speaker 2: 1:09

Good morning everybody. Wow, that's a everybody. Why do I always do this? I try to get everything perfect and then I get on here and it's not perfect. Wow, all right.

Speaker 2: 1:14

As we know, I've been trying to get everything going and doing everything and making it all work and everything. Well, I know that I've been saying I'm going to get better and I've been working on getting better and I try to get better, and then shit happens and I don't get better and I try to get better and then other shit happens and I keep making these excuses that things are going to get better and I'm going to have more free time and I'm going to have this, but until then, when every way the hell that comes, but life comes in the way, um, I'm just gonna do as much as I can. I'm trying to get better and I'm really trying to buckle down and do it, but it just gets hard with kids and moving my mom out here. Um, we did, we met with some contractors to get the pad done. Get the pad done so we can move her house here. Once she gets here, then I can be like hey, mom, can I have two hours here to do? Once she gets here, then I can be like, hey, mom, can I have two hours here to do a podcast? And I'm sure she'll be like, yeah, dane, and this is my perfect world. She'll be like, yes, dane, bring them over, that'd be great. And be like, thanks, mom, you're so good Really, though I really see it going that way.

Speaker 2: 2:29

Anyway, sadly, my mom's in a a bad place. You know, she's been in the house that she's in for 35 years. She spent that 35 years with my dad until he recently passed, in february, um. So she feels that she's just in a lull, she doesn't know what to do with her life and she feels that she has no meaning to life. You know, especially right now, because she knows's leaving but she's not ready to leave and she knows that she's going to move here. Sorry, I had to move Mike, so her moving here and she's just kind of like in a limbo spot. You know, she's just stuck there and it's really taken a toll on her. So I'm really trying to get everything done to get her here and get her house sold. But man, it's just been. It's been a lot. It's been a lot. You know, she got raccoons in her attic. Now she's got toys in her attic, but that's a different story. Now she has raccoons, but I guess the raccoons are gone. So now there's the hell. I don't know. I don't even know anymore. I just I show up, I do what I'm asked and then I just go home. I mean I'm done, but yeah, so get my mom here. Big priority. I've had a big arson case come in. I've just had a lot of cases come in. I've been in court a lot.

Speaker 2: 3:35

It's just been a lot going on, you know, between family work, more family work on the farm. Farm life's going. We've got a mama chicken that hatched 13 eggs on our own. We had some in the incubator, not knowing we had a mama chick doing it, and then we had incubator eggs about 11 of them hatched. So then we started putting them in out with mama and anyway, mama's doing great, baby's doing great. Um, we're just kind of trying. It's trial and error on this farm. Um, we're we're learning.

Speaker 2: 4:05

Um my favorite pig.

Speaker 2: 4:07

I had to put her down.

Speaker 2: 4:08

Um, she's my first pig I got.

Speaker 2: 4:11

Um, I'm pretty sad about that. She was my baby. I had to put her down just because I let's be honest, I don't know what I'm doing and I've worked on it and I've gotten better and I've had her for five or six years but I just poor management on my side. Her babies pretty much drank her dry. I would try to keep her up but the babies would be out eating and they're coming back eating off her and I tried to separate them and pin her up and then they would find a way in the pen and it was a lot and it was a failure on my part. She got too weak and couldn't do anything and I've learned. I've learned from this. It's a sad deal. She was my baby, so it was actually a pig that Kaylee had leash trained. You could put a harness on it and walk around with a leash. So it just sucks, but it's part of it.

Speaker 2: 5:07

The farm will have a lot of death coming up, you know you just, unfortunately, anything that's alive will die. Um, I had lost my one of my dogs. I had him for 11 years, a big bull, pit bull, big old sweetheart, a big softy. Um, I lost him about a week ago. I mean, it's just been a lot. It's been a lot and work and this and that and this and that, and then this is an election year at work. So the one thing I don't like working about for sheriff's office is election time. Every four years we have an election time for a new sheriff. My sheriff is not going to run again. They decided to finally retire and get out of the game.

Speaker 2: 5:50

I've loved working for my sheriff. It's been an awesome agency to work for. My sheriff's allowed me to do what I'm allowed to do on social media. There's no guarantee the next one will. My buddy is running for sheriff and I'm really going for him. I'm pushing for him. He's one that got me started where I'm at Awesome dude, very fair, very consistent, and I'm really going for him.

Speaker 2: 6:13

Unfortunately, there's a lot of stuff that comes out in these elections. One guy ended up putting up this dude is worthless. I'm going to put it that way. I'm not going to say names. I'm not going to say anything. The dude's worthless. I'm going to put it that way. I'm not going to say names. I'm not going to say anything. The dude's worthless. He's giving heads up to criminals when big things are coming up. He's lazy, always been lazy. I'm just shots fired. I'm not really putting out who he is. It's just a sad deal. And just to see what he says, he's run my sheriff through the mud, which my sheriff's awesome. He doesn't like the way stuff's run at our agency. We'll come to find out. It's a little dirtbag investigator for our district attorney's office. This dude's a snake, he just is. He's out to better himself and that's all it is. So he's been actually helping this guy campaign and he's actually telling people. If this guy wins, he'll help mold him in to be in the way that the county needs.

Speaker 2: 7:14

And one of their selling ports was more tickets. Nothing screams, oh my God. Like more tickets, that screams, they're doing their job. Like more tickets, that screams, they're doing their job. Just just backstabbing, conniving, high school drama, cheerleader bullshit. And you're stuck in the middle. And I know I'm biased towards my buddy, but they have nothing negative to say about them. So instead of being able to attack him, they attack our agency, but by attacking agency attacks all of our deputies.

Speaker 2: 7:44

And then this guy works with a PD which is causing grief between the PD and us, the PD there's several good officers there. It's been a back and forth with us for years. They go through these times where they get these chiefs in that want to be big dog and then they try to push us around. It doesn't work. And then it gets into bickering and then they fall apart. Then we cover the town because they don't have anybody. And then they get somebody else and they try to push us and it doesn't work and then it's just been a whole deal. The one thing.

Speaker 2: 8:18

For a long time I was like man, is it us, are we the problem here? And I look back and I go, well, no, I mean, for the most part we're the same agency. We've been this whole time. We have the same people. We haven't had turnover like they've had turnover. You know, we have some of their police officers coming to beg to come to us, even though they've been told nothing but negativity about us and how terrible we are. But yet they're begging to come to us because there's so much turmoil within their agency. And, sorry, I kind of laugh about it. I mean there's good officers there and it sucks, but I'm still going to laugh that your higher-ups have caused a lot of issues throughout the years and it's crumbling and I know it's shitty for me to say but I find it kind of funny.

Speaker 2: 9:03

These guys are the guys that are about statistics. Their previous chief was about statistics. It didn't matter if he took you to jail for jaywalking or took you to jail for child rape, he was happy that he took you to jail and he would boast his numbers on Facebook and he'd boast his numbers here and it was always like, look what I'm doing, look what the county's not doing. He says it's not what it was and it is because he was going to run for sheriff and found out he doesn't have enough time so he can't run. Wouldn't work for your shitty ass. Anyway, sorry, it's been heated, it's been heated, it's been bad.

Speaker 2: 9:36

And them trying to run our agency in the mud just because we don't chase stats, we don't chase tickets, we don't sit here and push stuff. That's not to me, that's not policing To them. Their policing is let's show how many people we've arrested. But for what? What did you arrest that guy for? Burning trash on a Tuesday, when you can burn them on Wednesday? I mean, what are you arresting for? We take people to jail that, pretty much, are going to end up in prison. We take people that deserve to go to jail or have to go to jail. It's not a pad-the-numbers thing, and to them it has been a pad-the-numbers thing for a long time and it's just, it's sad to see.

Speaker 2: 10:18

And then, unfortunately, there's a bunch of people in the town that see this and they think it's better. They think the town that see this and they think it's better. They think, oh, they are doing a lot of stuff but they're not realizing what's going on. They're bringing a lot of people to jail for nonsense. Until they give someone a ticket that's never had a ticket in their life, till they take someone to jail that's never been to jail in their life. And just watching this stuff, it's like man I. And then like their egos. They have these giant egos of look, everything I did, I did this. I'm like cool dude, that's, that's cool. You took that guy to jail for a nonsense charge good job. You've got 37 arrests this week. That's awesome. But not one of them is a felony. Good job, good job. You're doing big things.

Speaker 2: 11:04

And it's just caused a lot of grief between the agencies. We've had a lot of battling back and forth with our DA. We finally kind of got that under control and then to have one of their investigators go behind our back really and say are because to me, if you have nothing to say about the guy that's running for sheriff and you attack the sheriff's office. That's me. I've done a lot for this county, in my opinion, and I love this county. I've come to know a lot of people. I'm not from the area. I've come to know a lot of people and I've come to enjoy working where I work and making the connections I make and making the connections I make and to have someone attack me just because I don't take you to jail for jaywalking is mind-blowing. I've talked about it before and I'll bring it up on here.

Speaker 2: 11:53

We do have budget issues. We've had budget issues forever. This year. The sheriff the guy that's running for sheriff and myself have pushed hard to our county commissioners to get us a budget that's actually able to benefit this agency and grow. We're at the point now we can't even pay gas bills, so we have to spend a lot of the time at the office. Now our office is centrally located in the county so we end up being like firefighters a lot of the time and we sit at the office and we get a call, we go, and that's how it's been for a long time. We can patrol a little bit, but we can only afford so much gas because our budget was so terrible for so long and they got used to just pushing and pushing and pushing where they didn't have to pay that budget. Well, this year we finally pushed back and we said listen, this is stupid. I even pissed off the county commissioners and the whole board, the budget board, because I said we're tired of being dicked. You should have saw some of those women's faces, and everybody's faces, looking at me like, oh my God, I can't believe you said that. Well, it's true, we've been dicked. We've been dicked. We've been dicked for far too long.

Speaker 2: 13:06

What they give us is an absolutely disgrace is what we've gotten for so long. We would ask for about $800,000 for our agency, and that's really not crazy high when you have 16 employees that are full-time. Vehicles, vehicle maintenance, building. You've got to pay for gas, you've got to pay for electric, you've got to pay for internet and you have to pay for all these things. We have to pay $7,000 a month just for used dispatch. And then we asked for $700,000, $800,000, and they gave us $294,000. Our bills alone, not including fuel. We're just talking electric, internet and stuff. We have to have internet for computers. That comes out to about $170,000 a year, $160,000, something like that. How long are we expected to pay employees? Now we do have a sales tax that was voted in just for the sheriff's office and the schools and the county commissioners and stuff that it was voted on, and sometimes that I mean we've had to pay employees out of that and we've paid employees out of that.

Speaker 2: 14:20

About what we're getting every month, I mean mean, we're living foot to mouth, that's it. And then they want to sit here and say you know this guy running for sheriff and his little behind the scenes bitch boy. They sit here and they put everything on Facebook saying we're going to do this, we're going to do that, we're going to do this. And they say all this stuff. And they say, oh well, they just do this. And, um, they say all this stuff and they say, oh well, they just do nothing. And it's like, well, with what budget are you doing this? What budget? What are you? What are you? Where do you think that money comes from? When we patrol, like we're supposed to, we spend $10,000 a month in fuel. I mean it easy 10,000. When we're half patrolling, we're down to like $7,000 a month. So I mean it's just kind of it's a bad deal and that's what sucks about working for the sheriff's office is you have to deal with all this and like the cutthroatness is wild to me, the just negativity and talking shit is wild. 've taken the high road. This is the most I've ever I've said publicly, and I probably shouldn't, but I'm done with it. Fuck them. Um, my share and my buddy that's running for sheriff, he, uh, he's taking the high road. He hasn't said anything negative. He has a bunch of ammo but he's not saying it. There's no reason but just to have them attack us. And then what kills me is these people that are talking this shit would have never been a cop if it wasn't for the sheriff that they're talking shit on hiring them. That sheriff stood up, gave them a chance and now they spit on that sheriff. Wow, wow. When I tell you there's a lot of just just high school drama in the sheriff's office, I'm not playing and that's an all, all it's just, it's bad and it's crazy how much goes on. So that's kind of where I've been lately. Um, between work and then my days off, I try to do a lot of helping my buddy campaign or doing stuff like that, or working on the farm or doing whatever I can, just so we don't lose to this dude. God, I hope not. If my buddy loses, I'm going to leave this agency and I don't know where I'll go. I'm not going to work for this guy. He pretty much is a puppet and he's too stupid to realize it. His Facebook posts are really well articulated, they like they're really well done and this dude can't talk himself out of wet paper sacks. So this dude's I've seen this dude reports. They're terrible when he does them and. But the irony of the stuff that kills me is the one dude to write in his stuff has. He knows him, he used to talk shit on him, but it kills me as he hates my buddy so much. He would rather this guy win, which is fine, whatever. But he even sent a message to somebody saying we need him in because we can mold him. If you get the other guy in, it's just going to be the same as it's been and it's like you mean actually getting done and not being completely ridiculous, but okay, whatever. So just watching this stuff's crazy. But they, they did one. I mean the irony is you can't make this shit up. So we recently had a couple of cases we're fixing because this PD, this one officer who's running for sheriff wouldn't do his job and we're doing his reports. We ended up getting a stolen trailer back because he was too lazy to do it himself and put the footwork in to do it. But he gets on facebook and makes a post about how there needs to be. There needs hold on. Let me let me see exactly what he said here. Well, there's a lot going on there. It's hard to read. He just had another post today and it's just stupid. But it's just stupid. But it was about accountability and you have to be accountable and reports aren't getting done and things aren't getting done the way they should get done and all that stuff. I'm like, bro, we are legit, as you just posted on Facebook working two of your cases because you're too lazy to do it yourself. There's a stolen trailer in town. These people called the pd pd goes and looks and these people saw their trailer. He goes there and goes oh, no way to prove it and leaves. So they get a hold of us. We go over there. We seize the trailer for investigation, come to find out it is the trailer. We did the footwork. We had to because some of the serial numbers are missing. We had to get people in there could tell us how they got this trailer, where they got the trailer, who they bought the trailer from. Of course they paid too little for that trailer that they got and he was too lazy to do it. And you're going to talk to us about accountability Wild, freaking wild. And it kills me because some of these people are like, oh, you're going to be so good. I'm like dude, he's not even typing his own thing. So when you run for sheriff, there is an ethics board and in this ethics board it says you have to do x, y and z, and x, y and z has to be done. Now, one of those things says at the very bottom, if you have a sign over such and such size, it has to say paid for blah, blah, blah, blah, sheriff's Association, or like not sure you know the pro, whatever it's, hold on. Let me say, before I say exactly, I'll read you word for word what it says, okay, what it says that any printed medium shall stay authorized and paid by the name of blank and blank committee. So what that means is if they end up putting a sign out that's a certain size, um, they have to put paid for by this committee. Now, that being said, this dude hadn't done that. He's put large banners out and not one of them said you have to turn in your quarterly payments, you have to turn in your quarterly donations, what the money went to, where the money came from, to the T and it has to be turned in to the election board of the county. Quarterly has not done it. So we're talking about two ethics board rules. Now it's kind of a bag of dicks, because you're also not supposed to promote yourself while on duty or have anybody promote you while on duty in uniform. So we don't do that, we do none of that. When it comes to it, I'm like, sorry, I'm in uniform, I can't talk about that. Well, who are you voting for? I can't talk to you about it until I'm out of uniform. You can ask me if you see me out of uniform, or another deputy out of uniform. Now he openly promotes to everybody. He's gone around telling our staff when I'm sheriff, when I'm sheriff, when he goes around to the gas stations. Well, when I'm sheriff, and he goes around here when I'm sheriff in a police uniform, and it's like dude, you can't even follow the rules, how are you going to cut quarters when you are the top law dog in the county? How so? In our state the sheriff is the top law enforcement official for the county and even feds have to go to the sheriff to talk to the county and even feds have to go to the sheriff to talk to, but yet you can't even follow the rules for freaking campaigning. Why would I trust you with that much power while it's? It's absolutely absurd to me that this man says all this stuff and tries to bash everything, but yet he has not done one thing he's supposed to do and we're supposed to sit here and go. Oh, okay, that's okay. There's no way I'd work for a man that can't even sit here and follow the rules and let everybody it's going to be. To be honest, I'll be happily leave the agency and just watch it burn, because it will and unfortunately, the citizens will be the one that pays for it and it's a sad deal, and that's the downside about work for a sheriff's office. I mean, it can happen with the pd2 you change out your chiefs. You never know what's going to happen. Um, so either way, um, sorry, that's kind of where I've been. I haven't been in the right headspace this last last couple weeks with work and family stuff and then the drama from all this, so that's kind of where I've been. It's. It's kind of kind of pushed me back a little bit, um, but that I mean, I'm still trying to be myself. It's just hard for me to get on here and not bitch and rant like I just did for 15 minutes and I'm very sorry for that. Over 15, hell forever. I'm very sorry for that, um, but that's, that is just that's where we're at and that, and unfortunately that's where I'm at with my agency and and come June Well, it is June, come the 18th I might be looking for a new agency. Um, and that's a sad deal. Uh, I love where I work. I love the community I serve. I've got really good ties with the fire department and got really good ties with citizens. I got really I hate saying citizens, cause I'm a citizen people that live there. I have good ties and if they see something they get ahold of me and they know that I'm going to do the best of my ability to help them. And it sucks because if I leave they're not. I mean they're going to have to find somebody else and hopefully that person will take the pride that I try to Um, but it it is what it is. Um it's a who knows. Who knows I mean a couple, couple of weeks, who knows where I'll be? But that being said, we'll move on to different things. You know, I was watching the Trump thing. I really don't know enough about it. I don't watch the media, I don't, but a lot of it I just sit back and I just kind of laugh. I've got friends that are Republicans. I've got friends that are Democrats. I've got friends that are this, my mom's even. She's very anti-Trump, which it is what it is. I don't really like politics. I don't talk a lot about politics, but I do find the humor in politics. I do find the humor that people are sitting here talking shit about now Donald Trump's a convicted felon. Would you vote for a convicted felon? How would you ever support and go for a convicted felon? But does nobody remember what George Floyd? He was a convicted felon, but they were hating on everybody but George Floyd was their martyr. So if George Floyd is a martyr and he held a gun to a pregnant woman's belly, has armed burglary or armed robbery and burglaries and stuff and a bunch of drug charges, but yet we're going to talk about how can you support a felon, the irony of some of it. It's just fun to me, just great. I started making videos just to kind of piss people off, and it's fun. It's fun to me. I like watching certain people lose their mind. I made a video with two Sesame Street characters talking about ba-ba-ba-ba-ba and I put in the caption of two of us cops sitting here trying to figure out every charge we're going to charge someone with, and the amount of hate I got on that video on Instagram is freaking phenomenal and I love it. Everyone's telling me I have a GED education. And then I got on that video on Instagram is freaking phenomenal and I love it. Everyone's telling me I have a GED education. And then I got on there. It's like no, I've got hooked on phonics. I wish I had GED, ged, shoot, just a lot of it. And you're like man, the irony that some people want to throw out there is just freaking absurd to me. It kills me. I got called a tyrant. And then people are like, yeah, stack them charges, blah, blah, blah. Nowadays you have to stack charges. I'll explain this to you Nowadays you have to because DAs throw a lot of them out. Everything is getting progressive and everything is getting very, very liberal, very liberal. Our DA, very liberal, says he's going to put it to people no, I've put dudes away for 22 years that deserve to go away for 22 years with our previous DA and they deserved it. They deserved every bit of it. This DA came in and fired that assistant DA that I had and he's one of the best in the state and a lot of people in the state laughed at him for firing him, saying I can't believe you fired one of the best DAs in the state. And he said well, he's too harsh on criminals, freaking, absurd. So we have to stack charges. We have to because sometimes that's the only thing can happen. But heaven forbid, heaven forbid. I actually charged someone for everything they did and there's a lot of them that people are like well, you don't know every law. No, I don't know every law. I know the majority of laws we deal with on everything, but I have my laws that I can look through at any time. I can look through case law, I can look at statutory laws, I can look at the state law. I can look at all the laws that I need to and I know how to read them, I know how to interpret them and I can put them to each thing. There's a lot of things that we have to go through. For some reason, people get in their mind that, as cops, we pull up to a scene, we deal with said scene and at that scene we go this is this, that this, this. Charge them, burglary, charge them. It's not like that. We have elements of each crime that we have to hit and if we don't hit those elements, it doesn't go. I'll break down, let's do burglary, I'll show you. The jury notes is perfect example of the points you have to get. So jury notes are something that is given to the jury that says hey, as you're dealing with this, be aware that they have to hit these points. And if it doesn't hit these points, then it didn't hit that. So it's a way for jurors. Think about jurors. Okay, a lot of the jurors. They're not given a lot of these trainings. So you're taking a person and you're telling them hey, by the way, you are now going to have to sit here and judge somebody, even though you have no idea what this is. You are going to judge somebody. Let me see if I can't hold on, let me pull this up. Ok, so we'll break down first degree burglary, just so you can kind of get an idea. So this is the elements that you have to hit to hit first degree burglary and these are the things that have to be hit. And these are. This is what's given to the jury, as the jury's listened to the case to go. Did it hit this? Okay, so no person may be convicted of burglary in the first degree unless the state has provided, beyond a reasonable doubt, each element of the crime. These elements are first breaking. Now, breaking doesn't mean you have to break something. Breaking doesn't mean you have to break into a window. Breaking doesn't mean you have to break into a door. Breaking means breaking the threshold of a door. So if the door is technically unlocked and you push your way in, you have broke in. Now, second entering. So now you've broken the entry and now you're at the threshold. Now you're in. So you're in the threshold. Now you're in, so you're in. Third, a dwelling has to be in a dwelling Fourth of another. So it can't be breaking into an abandoned building that no one's been there. Okay, so, first breaking. Second entering. Third, a dwelling that a human is present, dwelling that a human is present. So that's stating you have to be breaking into a home that there is somebody in that house for first degree, so breaking first, entering. Second, third, a dwelling, fourth of another, fifth, where their human is present, and then sixth with intent to commit some crime there. Within Meaning, if you go up to a house, someone is asleep in their bedroom, you go into the house and you take any item, whether it's a piece of bubble gum. You have now committed one of the biggest felonies of burglary in our state. Now, you didn't take much, no, but you entered a home of somebody else with them in the home. So those are your jury instructions, and there's jury instructions for about every crime and we have to make sure that we hit those. So one video was like them going read book here. Let me play it for you because someone just got pissy on there.

Speaker 1: 30:33

So here we go read a book yep yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep yep so that video right there pissed off a lot of people and they were like, oh my God, tyrant.

Speaker 2: 30:54

All that is saying is that me and my partner are going to look at every law that we can try to throw at them and make sure it hits that. So OK, now let's go to like burglary in the second degree those but the human, which is the fifth element of burglary first degree. It says fourth of another fifth in which a human is present. So if I break into home and no one is there, that's burglary second. So we have to make sure we hit all these elements within our report just to get the case signed. Then, when it goes to court, we have to be able to prove that they hit this, this, this and this and that's why that hit.

Speaker 2: 31:34

Um, so me saying, read book, read book, book. That is me making sure that I hit everything and people lost their mind and I fucking love it. I love it. I love people getting so mad and the best part is there's so many people losing their fucking mind on that thing. The views have gone crazy on Instagram. It's fantastic and all it is. I just made a video with nothing and they're getting mad. Just a butt hurt. I got a lot of followers from it, a lot of views from it all, because one side that hates cops gets extremely offended about anything about cops. And this is pretty much saying cops, they're taking us, me being dumb or me being a tyrant, because I'm throwing everything at somebody. If you do the crime, sorry, I'm going to try to make you do the time. I can't say do the crime, do the crime, do the crime, do the time anymore, because it's a soft world and we can't ever picture them actually doing time. A lot of time they get drug court or something stupid like that. So we've talked a little bit about case law. We talked a little bit about stuff like that. So let's break down some of the laws that we get asked on Instagram or on TikTok a lot, because a lot of these dudes think they're going to try to outsmart me and go well, what's this? So in a lot of these cases you're watching and a lot of these body camera footages that you're watching, there's people that argue about someone getting shot in the back, or there's someone that says, oh, I can't believe this went down or that went down.

Speaker 2: 33:02

So the best way to do it is how a lot of law is interpreted. Sorry, I'm amped up, I'm ready. So law is done by statutory law, which that's law that's passed down through bills and government and everything that's statutory law. That means it's been passed by Congress or by the state or whatever. All really is is it's kind of defining statutory law a little bit more defined. If you read some of the laws, they're very vague. So then you have the case law, such as Tennessee v Garner. So if you look at Tennessee v Garner, we'll break down that. Now Tennessee v Garner was a Supreme Court ruling that pretty much changed the standard for deadly force in the United States. Before that it really wasn't. You saw, said felon, he's leaving you shoot, crazy thing. And it happened in God. What was Tennessee first Garner? I think that was like in the 70s.

Speaker 1: 34:10

Hold on. Let me make sure I don't want to give the wrong year.

Speaker 2: 34:16

Was it 1985? Are you fucking kidding me? Holy shit, it was 1985. I thought it was in the 70s, so 1985. That's right before I was born. It went.

Speaker 2: 34:26

So it's most commonly known as the fleeing felon case, and that's Tennessee versus Gardarner four 71, us one, 1985. Um, and pretty much what it was was on the evening of October 3rd 1974, um, two officers get dispatched to a burglar call. When they got there they met with the neighborhood, heard sounds of breaking glass next door. Um, they went to go notice and that's when edward garner tennessee versus garner. So that's when edward garner came running across in the yard and then one of the officers said halt, but instead he began to climb the fence of the yard. Hyman hyman hyman, never mind um who later reported that he saw no weapon and did not believe Garner to be armed, fired his handgun, striking Garner in the back of the head. So now what this is stating as this officer goes around the back of the house, he sees a felon leave the house, because this was a felony burglary, it was a felony Leaves a person leaving, or sees a person leaving over the yard, says halt, he does not halt, he jumps on the fence as he gets on the fence, there's no weapon seen and the officer fires. To me that's wild because I've been trained otherwise. But before that was how it was there was a felon. See, he said felon fleeing, bam, it's over. It's crazy to me. So it went through there. Okay.

Speaker 2: 36:10

So tennessee and 19 other states this time you were allowed to use deadly force to apprehend a suspected felon. So meaning you could use deadly force to apprehend a felon. Meaning you can shoot a gun anytime a firearm is fired. That is deadly, deadly force. You shoot in the leg deadly force, it doesn't matter Anytime. We are trained to use our firearms, it's for deadly force. So the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals dismissed action against Officer Hyman because so pretty much what it was? Garner's family sued in federal court for civil rights violations, the Sixth Circuit of Appeals. This is an action against Officer Hyman, finding he acted in good faith in accordance with state law. Now, at the time it was state law. But however, the court also found that the law itself was unconstitutional as applied and that the shooting had violated Garner's constitutional rights. So that's when the decision was appealed to the Supreme Court.

Speaker 1: 37:19

Hold on one second.

Speaker 2: 37:22

Sorry, had to get a drink of water and I still feel a little bit raspy. So pretty much was it stated that you can no longer just shoot somebody being a felon leaving a scene to apprehend them. Pretty much what Tennessee versus Gardner laid the framework or foundation for. They have to. No matter what. If the felon is leaving, they have to be a danger to other people pretty much, that's pretty much what it comes down to or themselves, but really other people. So if he just got done shooting at us and then turns around to run, even though has a gun, there's a chance he might hurt somebody else or something. So, yes, deadly force can be used. This has been around since 1985, um, and it's gonna stick, which it needs to. There needs to be some things. I mean, I still find it wild that before you could have fired upon somebody and then it's gone to other things. Even in 2007, scott versus Harris, which was pretty much a vehicle pursuit, he was pitted and he became a quadriplegic. They tried to say Tennessee versus Gardner, but again, you're going in excessive rate of speed, you're putting other people in danger and he used what he had to to get the situation stopped.

Speaker 2: 38:40

There's a lot of cases such as Tennessee versus Gardner. That is the framework of law enforcement. We have to know these because this is what needs to be known. There's so many people tell you we don't know law, we don't know this, we don't know that, we don't know this. If you don't know Tennessee versus Garner or some of the other ones which I'm going to go through a bunch of them, um, through each uh podcast episode. Uh, tennessee versus Garner is a big one. Terry versus Ohio is a big one. There's a whole bunch Names are versus Pennsylvania. There's a whole bunch Graham versus Connor. We can go on and on, and on and on, and we will go through these.

Speaker 2: 39:16

This was just the use of deadly force. If you can get shot in the back, there's a lot of people that say you can't get shot in the back. This is not the Wild West. Okay, if there's a guy shooting at someone that's in front of him, but I'm behind him. Yes, I can shoot that dude in the back because he's causing harm to others or could cause harm to others. Um, I don't have to. There's no thing that says I have to tell him to turn around. Hi, mr man, turn around, then I can shoot you.

Speaker 2: 39:45

So there are a lot of these cases that set the foundation for law enforcement, um, and I plan on kind of breaking these down a little bit more. There's a lot of people that want me to do all this on tiktok. I'm not doing on tiktok, so I figure I'll do a little bit on here, make a little bit fun, give a little bit of information and kind of break down these case laws. That maybe might help and I can break them down even more. I plan on doing more like common, like comedy videos to break these down. But it's kind of hard to do Tennessee versus Garner, be like ha-ha, look at this. This kid gets shot in the head. That's a bad. I mean. That's not a good one. I mean he was young.

Speaker 1: 40:22

How old was he, I think?

Speaker 2: 40:23

he was like 18, something like that.

Speaker 1: 40:28

Let's see 15.

Speaker 2: 40:36

Let's see 15,. Yeah, I knew it was young, it was 15, so they used deadly force on a 15-year-old, but that was in Memphis, tennessee, versus Gardner. It was one of the 19 states well, 20 states that allowed deadly force to apprehend a felon. So, yes, before, before, that was normal. I mean, there's a lot of things that change over time and that was one of them, and things are going to continue to change and they're going to continue to grow and they're going to continue to get better and for worse.

Speaker 2: 41:07

I can't tell you how many times I get yelled at by people that are pissed off. I won't take someone to jail, or I won't do this, I won't do that. And I'm like well, what did they do? Well, they're doing meth. Well, meth now in my state is a misdemeanor. So what do you want me to do about that? Can't really do anything. And then they get mad. Well, why is it a misdemeanor? Because did. That's why I tell people you have to pay attention on what you are voting for.

Speaker 2: 41:34

I make my witty comments, as we know, on TikTok, and one of them recently was a guy complaining about the UN and everybody coming to get his firearms. I explained to him we aren't coming for your firearms. How they're going to get your firearms is through legally getting your firearms. He's like you can't do that and that's not happening. I go, it is happening. Look at the states. You can't have so many rounds in your magazine. It's happening. Look what's going on with the ATF and the pistol brace rule. It's happening. And it's happening where they're going to nickel and dime us, just like this damn anti-TikTok law, their bill or whatever it is. If you break down what that bill is, it's turning into 1984 with George Orwell. What it is stating is that anytime the government deems a social media outlet or any outlet to be a threat, they can shut it down. Think about that. So if we all vote yes, shut down TikTok because we don't like TikTok, fine. There's a lot of people who think TikTok's owned by commies or whatever. It is whatever.

Speaker 2: 42:31

But if you give the power to the government to shut down anything that they deem a danger to the country, man, you are opening up a whole fucking can of worms that people are not ready. And if we're not ready and not paying attention to what we vote for, shit is going to go south. It's already going south. You have a lot of things that are going on, corrupt, and if we don't fix it, it's going to get worse. Right now we're molding this country to be a bunch of softies so then the government can do whatever the fuck they want. And if you don't believe me, look Just slowly. Look. It's crazy.

Speaker 2: 43:11

If you take one of these investigator classes where you learn to watch people lying and the mannerisms they make, it is fucking terrifying. I'm no expert. I have taken bare minimum of body language, reading and stuff. But if you take it and you listen to it and then you watch a lot of these politicians and a lot of these people get up, it is fucking terrifying. They will lie to your face just to get whatever they want and it's only going to keep getting worse unless we stand up and say we're fucking tired of it.

Speaker 2: 43:44

I'm not saying go do a revolution or something. I'm just saying read the shit that they are trying to get you to vote for. Take the time, read it. If you don't read it and you don't understand, don't vote, just don't. I mean I would rather someone say I don't know this, not vote instead of going. Well, the news lady said it says this, but at the very bottom in fine print it says you can shut down any social media at any time. I mean, it's not exactly what it says. But you have to read these bills to understand the shit that goes on in the fine print. And it's just, it's everywhere, everywhere. But again, I know we kind of gone a whole lot of tyrant. I didn't even know I was going to go on this long and I'm very sorry. We went on a little bit tirade of this and that again we get these people complain on tiktok. So then I'm like, well, fine, we'll do it on here. If they want to see my opinions on things, they got to come here, but I'm not going to sit on tiktok.

Speaker 2: 44:41

First amendment states you'll have the right to speak whatever you want. On the second amendment states you're allowed to have them bear arms. I'm a big burly bear. On the Third Amendment, you can tell any army no, no, you can't sleep here. Fourth Amendment says we're not going to do that. That's going to get awful, it's going to get boring. How many people get on TikTok to enjoy themselves? Get on TikTok and watch videos that make them laugh or make them feel something, whether you're one of those weird sons of bitches that like to get on there and find things that piss you off, which I don't know why you would ever want to do that. That's mind-blowing to me. It's all a mindset and you're just setting yourself down a negative mindset.

Speaker 2: 45:24

I like to watch things that make me giggle, make me laugh, make me feel good, hit you in the fillers. I don't want to sit there and watch some dude doing First Amendment audits Teach their own. I know people love that. I can't, I can't even watch it because I'm just like, oh my God, oh no, I'm not watching this. It just ugh, ugh. I just can't watch it. It just makes me nauseous, like I just I can't do it. I don't like it. I don't enjoy it. I don't like listening to the dude saying I want to speak to your supervisor. I know my rights. I know it's not to me. To each their own. There's people love it. Go watch it. Those dude make a living off of it. Whatever. Whatever it is, I just I won't even talk to him in person if there's no crime being committed. Cool story, dude. You do you. I'm not gonna sit here and talk to you. They're, they're not enjoyable people to me.

Speaker 2: 46:15

It's like there's certain cops that I don't trust. We say a lot of crazy things in this job. We see a lot of crazy things and we say outlandish shit. When we get back to the thing and there's cops with body cams on, I don't talk to them. I don't know if their body cams on, I don't talk to them. I don't know if their body cam's on, I don't know to trust them. I'm not going to sit here and talk to you. Hold on one second. Sorry, I don't know why I said hold on one second. I had my headphones on, the house shook with thunder and I didn't know if someone was breaking into my house. So I just felt the house shake, a loud noise and, uh, got a check. Okay, you never know, these days got weird. I was on TikTok trying to hunt me down. That being said, guys, I know it's been all over the place and I hope you guys enjoy it. Let me know if you do and if you don't, let me know. I need to know I.

Speaker 2: 47:17

It kind of was more of a bitch session. Again. I'm not trying to do these. I want to be lighthearted, I want this to be fun, but there's just so much drama in my life. I am human and I do have my downsides. I do have my upsides and I have my down days. My down, my up days. You just never know. So I am who I am. Um, I'll do what I can to be the best person I can be and be the best I can for her people around me. And if I'm not in the right head space kind of like this one I'm not really in the right head space and we've kind of done a lot of bitching.

Speaker 2: 47:34

If this is not something that people want to hear, if this is more, oh my God, is this going on again? Please let me know, cause I don't want to put people through that, but I get a lot of people turn into just a giant bitch session and people are like this guy's awful. I don't want to listen to this dude no more. This is sad, very sad. That being said, guys, make this week a good week. Let's love one another, be good to somebody, just be the best you can and enjoy the week. That being said, guys, thank you again for all the support on Patreon, all the support on all my accounts. I do appreciate you more than I could ever express. You guys have gotten me through very, very dark times and I could never thank you guys enough. Thank you, guys, and please stay safe.