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Hey friends, it's TJ, and you're listening to Tea with TJ, where our love for tea, conversation and self-improvement intersect, so let's take a deeper dive into my cup and let's have a chat. Hi friends, it's TJ, and welcome back to another episode of Tea with TJ. And today I have a very special guest with me Jackson Jackson, hello. So just for listeners, can you just give a quick introduction and a little bit of background?
Jaxin:Absolutely so. I'm Jackson Jackson. I am an actor, I am a yoga teacher, I am a comedian, a storyteller and an all around good time. I'm a tourist. Sun and moon, virgo Rising, so a lot of grounded earthy energy over here.
TJ:I think that's why we mesh so well together. So when I was coming up with some topics for episodes, one of the topics was believing in something bigger than yourself, and when we originally talked about having you on the show, maybe like two or three weeks ago, this was the topic that you chose and I also very much thought that it would be highly appropriate, especially with your like, yoga background. So just give me a quick thought or moment of like what does it actually mean to you? And like believing in something bigger than yourself.
Jaxin:Okay, well, now you heard me say tourist, tourist, virgo, nothing happens quickly, okay. So I did start practicing yoga, first actually when I was 18. So I started practicing yoga, like 22 years ago. I was introduced through my college undergrad program. I went to an acting program that was our movement requirement. First year was to do yoga.
Jaxin:And before I'll go back, before even getting to college, you know, I didn't grow up in a really super religious family. We were kind of like I say, like pseudo Christian. You know, it's like we were culturally Christian, like we celebrated Christmas and like sometimes we go to church on Easter, but you know, my mother wasn't really adamant about us having any specific religious practices. But when I was in high school I'm a curious person, I love information, I've always been this way, right, I remember taking a world religions class and learning about Hinduism and learning about Buddhism and really feeling like, oh, this is this feels like something I already I actually already kind of believe, and then just sort of, like you know, kept that with me but never really did anything.
Jaxin:So when I got to college and I started practicing yoga, it was like I came back, you know, to these things that I had sort of started to learn about as a younger person and you know, yoga is a practice that I think embodies a lot of the philosophy involved in Hinduism and Buddhism. No, I think it does, it embodies a lot of those philosophies. So yoga became a core practice of mine to reflect, to center to, you know, do some real like self actualization, right, it became part of my practice to do those things and then, when I got out of college, I started practicing Buddhism. So I've been practicing yoga for 22 years, I've been practicing as a teacher, I've shown in Buddhist for 16 years and I think together those things form a foundation of belief, you know, and I should really say like those are things that I use to stay grounded in my beliefs right, because my beliefs are actually based on my own values, but these are practices that have helped me stay angered and grounded in those values, in those beliefs.
TJ:But I'm curious to know, because it's something that has piqued my interests Over the past I would say seven or so years in most of like the philosophy and the thought process behind it of we're all connected and, like you know, being present in the moment and kind of tied into the idea of a yoga practice as well, what would you say has been like the most valuable lesson that you've learned.
Jaxin:I think the most valuable lesson I've learned is that you know it really, all it all does my reality is based on me, right, like that I am the center I actually is. Everything I'm experiencing as a result of, like me, my own life force, my own causes, my own perspective, right, that it really is. It all comes back to me and not in a self centered way, but really, I think, actually like taking ultimate responsibility for my life, right, and understanding that like actually it's all me, everything, all my relationships, the situations or circumstances I find myself in and how I transform them. Right. So the power in that is knowing that. You know, as Lauren Hill said, I am the problem and the solution, right, that that is true, you know, and that one of the other biggest lessons is that the problem, the problem, isn't bigger than me, right, because, because I'm part of it, right, it's not, it can't be bigger than me, right? So whatever the challenge or the problem is, I'm also a part of it, which means I can transform it and I can change it.
Jaxin:And I think oftentimes the delusion is that the problem is this external thing that we can't control or we have no influence over, and I think Buddhism actually tells you like, yes, you do anything, you experience anything that is in your circumstance. It's there because of you actually, and it's actually there for you. If it's a challenge or a problem, is actually there for you to be able to show your Buddhahood right. You're only encountering that problem as a result of having practice, having developed yourself, and now you're meeting this challenge so that you can actually get even stronger and even more grounded in your beliefs and you can have the actual proof of your practice because you've overcome this challenge.
TJ:I think it was Eckhart Tolle or Tick-Nock Han that introduced me to this idea of like ego versus like self and how important it is when, like dealing with problems or a certain situation, in that when that thought happened, or like when I was introduced because I believe I want to say I'd originally heard of Tick-Nock Han on the Super Soul Sunday podcast, the like Oprah Winfrey podcast- that makes sense.
TJ:In that concept was so interesting to me, and mainly because growing up and I think I've told you this before I grew up down south and very much was a church kid and so I have all of that spiritual baggage, so to speak, behind me. But as I've gotten older and kind of like been out in the world, so to speak, I've realized that, in kind of no pun intended, but going back to the topic, there is so much more out in the world that's bigger than me and it really has kind of helped me solidify my place in the world, solidify myself as an individual and where I fit in the whole cosmic scheme of things. What have you, do you know of any of Tick-Nock, han or Eckhart's like teachings?
Jaxin:I do. Eckhart is the four, the laws, the four I'm butchering the name of this, but I believe that that do you know what I'm talking about? Only Tick-Nock Han, and so I'm like, not not super specifically, but I've heard of both of those people. I I feel like I've. I understand the general philosophy because it is based in Buddhism, but I could not quote either one of them right now, you know. But yes, I definitely those are two very popular, you know Buddhist philosophers and I don't know if Eckhart actually identifies as Buddhist, but it definitely his philosophy has been.
TJ:Yeah, I feel like a lot of people have read and resonated with a lot of his writings so I'm curious why we kind of pivot a little bit in this idea of believing in something bigger than yourself and with your Buddhist background, has there been like moments in your life specifically, or Situations where you've had to call on this practice? Oh yeah, I had to kind of like help guide you through certain situations, absolutely.
Jaxin:I mean, I practice, it's a daily practice.
Jaxin:So, you know, the school of Buddhism that I'm coming from is a you know what they would call a lay practice, so it's in the later date. There are thousands of different schools of Buddhism, so this is one of the much later schools that came along and there's no priesthood. So it is very much like a modern, you know, buddhist practice, but it is still a daily practice. I say all that to say that, even though it is very modern and it is very much, like you know, accessible, it is still that structure of it being a daily practice, or the idea of like daily prayers, is still very much present. You know, in Buddhism there is no guilt. There is no you have to do X, y or Z. But from folks who have been practicing and from the person each and I shown himself who created this practice, he's like, yeah, you should, you should probably do this every day you know, just to check, just so I feel like I use it daily To again center and grab myself in the things that I believe, my values.
Jaxin:And Then, when it comes to actual like specific, like challenges or issues, I Feel like studying is where a lot of the support, because I practice daily. So you know, sometimes when you practice something daily you can fall into just like a habit of doing it and you kind of check out, right, and that's another thing that practicing daily actually helps you start to realize, right Is that you know, just because you do it every single day doesn't mean that you're really Present in it every single day. And so, to keep myself present, I feel like studying as part of what helps to keep me present. So when I'm going through something, I will definitely talk to. You know, there are elders that I know that I've been practicing for a very long time. I'll ask them, like what should I read or what do you recommend?
Jaxin:or you know, or I'll just you know start opening up the different. There are so many different teachings you know From nature and Dachon and Buddhism, and so many people have also analyzed his teachings too, so there's a lot for you to open up and like get into. And I feel like when I'm challenging something, it is about like coming back to you know Myself and being like how can I further really like deepen my faith through this challenge, and so study is one of the ways that I do that with the idea, because you said something that that pinged a thought for me about how the daily practice can Kind of become like an autopilot type of thing and you kind of check out a little bit.
TJ:How do you find ways to bring yourself back, or like because the thought that I'm having is very much an acting school Thought, where you know, when you're working through a scene work, or if you're doing a warm-up and you Are meant to come back to your body or like come back to one, so to speak, right, how, how do you find the space and how do you find the moments to be able to bring yourself back when you notice that you're checking out or starting to check out?
Jaxin:Yeah, I mean always the breath, right, like if you're focused on your breath thing, you're focused on the present moment. So that's definitely something that, specifically, you know, working with yoga, you know talking about these two, you know things that are working in concert in my life is the embodied practice of yoga, pranayama, focusing on my breath, because I know now, you know, blessed to know that if I focus on my breath I am coming back to the present moment. I also have some exercises for my therapist that my therapist over the years have like given me. So some of them are really simple, like you know, checking with the senses and being like you know, I can hear the cars outside, I can smell the tea that's brewing, I can see my computer in front of me, I can taste the breakfast I just had, you know, but those are that's something that you know. It seems really silly sometimes in my mind when I do it, I'm like this is so corny, but I'm like it actually does work, you know it does help bring me back to this moment, to just like grab myself in my body, actually, and to use my senses, the ones that I have available to me, to help do that, the breath, and then I'm journaling, like documenting.
Jaxin:So I have a little book that I keep on my altar, that Each month I have a I give myself a theme, you know, again, something to help ground me, to help bring me back, and then, under that, anything that pops up throughout the month. That's like you know, this is a person. I'm really working through this relationship. I'm really working through you know the struggle. You know I'm thinking about this thing in the future, whatever it is. You know that I feel like I want to really be able to like focus when I'm chanting right on.
Jaxin:I will write down in that book as well, and then I'll go back, you know, and I'll look back through it. You know, throughout the year or the years, like, I have one book now that I just finished that, I think is the last two years of my life. So you know being able to go back to 2022, march 2022, and see like, what did I write down? What was I and where am I? Where am I now? Right again, hoping to bring myself back into this moment, and I think reminding myself that time has passed or time has moved helps also to remind, remember like, oh yeah, I'm here right now. I was there. I'm here, you know.
TJ:I think that is probably one of the principles that I've held on to the most in the past few years of being present. And I find that there are a lot of moments and I will preface this by saying that I am not I'm a very calm spirit. I've always known that about myself. Literally everyone who has ever met me is like you're so warm, you're so nice and like very even keeled. But I find when I do get frustrated or have moments of anxiousness or feel like I am not where I personally want to be, these sensory things are very, very helpful.
TJ:Like one of my favorite things to do in this city is to go for a walk and it's a like late fall and like early spring is a really good time and it usually helps kind of recenter me and help me focus when I can smell the trees, when I can feel the sunlight on my face, when I can feel the earth underneath my feet, and it kind of helps kind of like bring me back.
TJ:I'm gonna just use it again, bring me back to one yes to just really be present, because I do feel like there are so many times where you know colleagues of my, friends of mine, we kind of get wrapped up in this hustle and bustle, like this hustle culture of life, and it's very easy to slip by and before you know, it's been six months and you don't know where you are right, and so that that's always like a thing that I try to be very intentional about as I'm going through the year, because I'm also curious to know your thoughts on this. But I feel like I have kind of like benchmarks throughout the year to like check in with myself, so that things go a little left, correct, I can kind of bring myself back.
TJ:Do you have moments like that? Or like structure?
Jaxin:Oh yeah, absolutely, and you know, practicing Buddhism now and practicing with, like Nietzsche and other, nietzsche national and Buddhist. So I practice with SGI. We have, like, we have holidays, right, so it's not. I'm trying to think of, like how to explain what a holiday is like in SGI, because it's not religious in the same way that, like, christmas and Easter are. They're more like anniversaries, you know, but there, but you know, it helps to have these moments to like, stop and reflect. So one of them is, for example, when you join the practice, right, that's a day that people celebrate as like almost like a birthday, right, because it's the idea, is it marks this moment of you taking full responsibility for your life and and and so like, that day, which mine is, march 16th, also happens to be Youth Day in SGI's history, and that's a day where the mentors, you know, endow the future of this practice and and really like humanity, right, they're like this is, it's yours, right, they're just, that's what they're saying is like, hey, this practice is here to actually help us like, be happy as humans and the mission is to share that right, practice with people is to share, you know, even the concept, the idea with people and and it's it's actually not us folks that are aging, it's actually for you, you know so.
Jaxin:So that's always a point where it's like I stop and I'm like, yeah, you know this year to be 16 years, it's like, okay, you know that's a every year I check in. But but then also, as the years go on, you know there are these you know, like last year was 15 years, five years before that was 10 years, you know. So I feel like, you know, I feel fortunate that I have that built into sort of my practice. And then I love New Year's. I love the idea of like a New beginning. So I love all of the New Year celebrations. I like that they're simple, I like that everyone can celebrate them. So New Year's is always it's not so much about resolutions, but yeah, another time to reflect, you know, to stop and just be like, you know, just turn the page it's new page, refresh the page, you know. You know, and Sometimes if I'm not ready in January, I will start my year in July, but you know.
TJ:So there's been a few years.
Jaxin:Yeah, but yeah, definitely, sometimes it comes to you too, I think, you know. Sometimes you don't know that you're about to have a check-in moment, but then maybe some things fall apart, maybe some things are not what you thought they were about to be, and then you're like, okay, this is a moment to stop and yeah, checking, you know, didn't know it was gonna happen. It's not my birthday, but you know.
TJ:And speaking of the idea of like checking in with yourself, do, because this is something that I think I've picked up recently in with your specific background, especially as a yoga teacher. I wanna know if you agree with me, because I have a certain point of view when it comes to this. But meditation, I feel like a lot of people think that meditation has to be very specific in the sense of like you have to sit, you have to close your eyes, you have to. You know this very, this social point of view of what meditation is. But in my own life I've found that for me, meditation can be making a cup of tea, making dinner, going for a walk, like whatever, that moment in time where I can be fully present with my mind, body and my spirit. Right, do you agree with that statement? Slash what are okay. How do you meditate? Okay?
Jaxin:so I don't disagree with anything that you said. I do believe that words mean things. Also, meaning can be very subjective, you know. So I think for myself, the schools and the practices of meditation are often aimed at the mind, right. They focus and they center the mind, either connecting, quieting, whatever it is but it's generally focused on this idea of mindfulness, right, and so what I do as a Buddhist is more of an active practice.
Jaxin:Actually, it's not so much about like the mind, it's more about activating yourself, and really it's like it focuses on the heart, with what we refer to as the heart, which is not just the love center heart, right but like the passion, the motivation, the mission, right.
Jaxin:The heart symbolizes all of those things and it's about really activating and pulling out your unlimited potential, whereas motivation or meditation is, I think, something a little bit different, and so I don't actually feel qualified to tell anyone else what meditation is or is not. I just know that it's not what I'm doing when I'm chanting, and then, when I am doing it, it does feel like it is a practice that is aimed at mindfulness, right, and whether that is listening to an audio tape or, like you're saying, taking a walk, I think it does come back to like your intention. So I think if the intention is to be mindful, then I feel like you could call it meditation. Again, I'm not gonna tell anyone else what to call what they do when they're doing it. So if making a cup of tea as meditation for you, then I feel like it is right.
TJ:And I will say let me give more context, because what I have found over the years being an avid tea lover, it allows me, it forces me to slow down, right. So, especially living in New York, there are just a million things happening all at once, and so the act of making tea for me, it forces me to stop and slow down and to be present in what I'm actually doing. Right, it's not passively happening, like I can't put the water together, go take a shower, like I have to be present with that thing that I'm doing in that moment. Right, and even just the steeping of the leaves takes time, right. So I'm allowing myself to be present in that moment with this cup of tea, and then every sip that happens after that, at least for myself. Maybe I'm a weirdo, I don't know, but for myself it's like every sip is a different thought or a different moment for me, where I'm starting to pick up the nuances of the actual leaf, right. Wow, that's so poetic.
TJ:And so it's not thank you, it is, but it's not rushed right. Right, because I feel like coffee is a different experience. Right, like we, it's not the same thing. So for me, that's why I consider that like a meditative moment for myself.
Jaxin:Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know there's some coffee drinkers out there ready to fight you right now.
TJ:They're like that is my morning meditation. What?
Jaxin:It keeps me calm. But I think that we're saying similar things, that in that, you know the mindfulness, I think, and the intention is really what it comes down to, because you could do all of those things and not have it, be mindful and not take that time. But your intention is to take that time, to be mindful, and I think that is what what I would say makes it a meditation, you know, is that you were putting the intention to be mindful of what is happening. I also wanted to just come back. So the book I was thinking about was the Four Agreements, and that is not Eckhart Tolle, that is Dami Gil Ruiz, another philosopher.
Jaxin:Eckhart Tolle, I think, wrote the Power Is Now, or the Power Of Now, the Power Of Now, which is the book of his that I am familiar with. Did not read the whole book, but definitely feel like I have met some parts of it through other people, but I do think, again, mindfulness is really about the intention. So I agree that there is a need to have the distinction between this idea of how you have to do things right, like, versus being able to claim something for yourself, like if you're like, you know what my meditation is, making this cup of tea, then I feel like that is valid and that is real. And if for someone else it is actually like sitting in a space and crossing their legs and, you know, closing their eyes, you know, then that is also. That is also meditation, because the intention is there and there's no right or wrong way, necessarily at least I don't think to do it. I just think that there are different paths that everyone takes to get there.
TJ:I agree. Was there a moment in time for you where the quote unquote switch happened, or where you shifted from maybe not necessarily believing in something bigger or kind of like passively going through life? But then you arrived at this place of like, oh or I'm gonna use Oprah's words the aha moment, Uh-huh, where all of that kind of like fell into place?
Jaxin:There have been several of those moments Throughout my life actually, because even once you, once you Think you know what you believe, it has to be tested right. And so Daisaku Kada has a quote I'm paraphrasing, but it's something to the effect of you don't actually know your beliefs until there. Everything falls apart, right until someone actually challenges them, right. Um, but I think the the first one that feels significant was getting out of college. So I got out of college in 2006, 700 years ago, but you know, it was a hard. It was a hard time, like I went into school right after 9, 11, and Then 2006 is when, you know, the housing market started to crash. So by 2008 it was completely, you know, decimated. But 2006 was like the beginning, the beginning of the that fall, the Wall Street, all the Wall Street stuff happening and People were just really unhappy. I was unhappy. Everyone just seemed really sort of like you know, like it felt like everything was really hard. I remember, like now we talk about her like wow, how did we Survive as young people? You know so many opportunities like iPhone was just, it was brand, it had just started. You know these app jobs, that people, all these people getting paid through apps like that was. That was not. That did not exist.
Jaxin:When I got out of college, you had to make your money the good, old-fashioned way, okay, with a job that you had to go to most of the time, you know, this remote. None of that, none, there was no making. We were not making money on the internet really yet you know so. But then there were not that many jobs because the economy was was tanking. So we were all just like struggling and I just remember being like I don't want to be unhappy and Actually, you know, what I believe is that happiness is not based in what I do or don't have, because I see people who, who don't have a Lot of things and still manage to crack a smile, you know, still manage to be hopeful.
Jaxin:And Right now, in this period of time where I feel like I don't have a lot of things and I'm like hustling and trying to figure out how to Just like survive as a young person, let me also figure out how to, how to be happy, like what happiness actually is like. I want to really know what it is and I want to know what I need to do To maintain it in my own life, and so that is when I started to just like I just I'm a study year, you know, I love information. So I was going to like there was a local place around the corner from my house that did meditation classes and I was doing yoga at that point and then I had a friend actually that introduced me to Buddhism, who was on a similar journey Of just being like, okay, things are really popping off right, like how do we, how do we ground ourselves? And I remember thinking also, you know, I grew up in a home with people who were addicts, who did not take the best care of themselves, and we were really unhappy. And I remember thinking like I don't want to grow old and be unhappy like I don't want to be. You know, this person who's just sort of like Grunted their way through life, you know, but again hasn't really figured out how to be happy, and so that really sparked, you know, the beginning of my journey and finding Buddhism, specifically because I knew what I valued.
Jaxin:I knew that I didn't believe in an external Power, because it didn't make sense to me that anything that could influence me Would not also be something I could influence right. So you know, in Judeo-Christian philosophy where there is a God, or even in, you know, muslim right Islam, there is this idea of Allah or of God being this external figure. But it never made sense to me that, that that figure could affect me but I couldn't affect it, right? That didn't make sense to me. And then all of the other things with the church that have come out over the years. So I knew I wasn't, I wasn't really interested in Judeo-Christian type religions, but I was like, I feel like I still that doesn't mean I don't want something to still ground me In what I do believe in, right, which is like I do believe that we're connected. I do believe that, you know, we are manifestations of this universe, you know, whatever those, you know, those ideas are that are more broad. I had a broad sense of being like we're connected, we're connected, everything is connected, we're all here together. So we all got to be connected, right.
Jaxin:And so then I think, through Practicing Buddhism I was able to start to articulate it. You know a little bit better for myself, but that was that moment of being, yeah, just like 20, 21, think I was when I got out of school, and just sort of like struggling to find hope, honestly, which is so interesting because you know, then, a few years later, barack Obama and his audacity of hope, you know, and it was true, it was like I had I felt hopeless, you know, and so you know that it did resonate with me deeply because it's like, oh yeah, that is what I'm struggling with, and Buddhism is a practice of hope. It is about giving people hope, you know. It is about and not, you know, just giving it to people, but actually, you know, giving Individuals the tools so that they can have hope. Right it, the Buddhism, can't give you anything, but it can. It can give you the tools to be able to manifest things for yourself.
TJ:No, that, that, just that tap muscle. So it's interesting to hear you speak On your journey in the in that specific moment in time, because I I have gone through Not a similar journey but a awakening, if you will probably, post post high school, going to college, when I finally left Memphis, left my immediate community and went to Chicago first, before moving to New York, and really started to see One what the world really is, compared to what I was taught and how I grew up, but then also just Finally opening myself up to the world.
Jaxin:And.
TJ:And it just that taps me in a very specific way, because I remember transitioning out of high school, going to college, and then even, ultimately, when I moved to New York where I started to kind of I mean I would the way I would describe it is kind of like shift in tune with the world, in the sense of like understanding that there's more than one way to believe.
Jaxin:And Chicago is also a great place for that. I mean, that's where I was too. So I think you know, thinking about something bigger than myself. I feel like Chicago is a place that really taught me a lot about community as well, and so I started practicing yoga there, I started practicing Buddhism there, but then also, you know, chicago is a place that has so many organizers and so many people who aren't don't even officially have the label organizer, but that is the role and the part that they play in the community. You know, and you know those people that are always organizing the whatever local function or, you know, always getting a group together, xyz are always just, like you know, on the tech thread, being like so and so me, such and such, right, chicago is a place that I really really felt a sense of community and really taught me a lot about what it means to show up and be connected and be present for that Because it actually it's.
Jaxin:It's easy to be mean, like selfish, and just be like, oh, no, no, no, I'm going to just be over here, like worrying about myself and focusing on myself, and Chicago is like nah, that's not how we, it's not how we get down over here. You know we work together and we know each other and you know we're not going to overstep anybody's boundaries. But if you're really actually trying to get some things done, you're going to have to meet some people. You shake some hands, you kiss some babies.
TJ:You know delivered. Yeah, really get community. That I was not expecting when I got there.
TJ:Yeah, especially coming from down south, and in this idea of, or this belief that I had that the north was not, you know, nearly as friendly and open, in all of those things, chicago has a very special place in my heart, because it it it taught me a lot. So thank you so much for joining us on this episode, but before we go, I have three questions for you. It's something that we like to do to just end the episode. Where do you find yourself most aligned?
Jaxin:Where do I find myself most aligned? I think it's, I wanted to say, performing, and, yes, on stage, but not just the stage, stage, but teaching, speaking, right. I feel like when I am like using my abilities as a storyteller I guess that's really what it comes down to is when I feel most aligned. So, be that in a play, doing stand up or teaching a class, you know, I think delivering a story and using all of my abilities to help connect people to something right Because that's essentially what that is right Is when I feel at most an alignment.
TJ:Nice what opens your heart the most?
Jaxin:Laughter. I love to laugh. Yeah, making me laugh is like, yeah, I mean, it literally opens my heart, you know. And also, I think being able to share a sense of humor with someone is, you know, usually symbolic of a real deep connection.
TJ:So laughter is. I mean, I know it's so cliche, but when people say laughter is medicine, but it truly is. It can change lives and minds and hearts.
Jaxin:My favorite thing is those moments when you're in tears with your friends, you know, when you're just laughing so hard that you're crying and your stomach hurts, like those are the most beautiful moments to me.
TJ:Yeah. And then final question what would you want your last words to be?
Jaxin:Thank you.
TJ:Oh, that's beautiful. That's beautiful. Love that. Oh my gosh, that's amazing yeah.
Jaxin:I think happiness is the ultimate expression, or, I said, gratitude is the ultimate expression of happiness, and I really want to be happy, I want to die happy and I think, you know, being filled with gratitude is when I feel the happiest.
TJ:So thank you so much for my pleasure.
Jaxin:This is a wonderful, wonderful conversation.
TJ:And on that note, friends, I'll see you next week and that's our show. Friends, thanks for joining us on a team with TJ. Please rate, review and subscribe, and you can find us on Instagram at T with TJ podcast. And, as always, stay kind, keep sipping and remember we're here, so you might as well.