Optimal Human Experience with Dr Joseph Diruzzo

Ep. 14 - Pursuit of Happiness and Growth Through Rapport and Prenatal Reimprinting

Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (aka "Dr. Joe")

Imagine having the power to shape your personal experiences to achieve the optimal human existence. This episode will significantly alter your perspective on this possibility.  Dr. Joseph DiRuzzo, guides us on a journey that unearths some profound truths about human wellbeing, relationships and prenatal influences on our behaviour. 

Buckle up as we delve into the significance of being in rapport, especially in our primary relationships, for maintaining good health. This episode gives you a front-row seat to an enlightening discussion on Rapport Deprivation Sickness - a concept that connects stressor of all forms, from mental to thermal, to illness and disease. We also tread on the intriguing territory of Prenatal Reimprinting (PNRI), revealing how our earliest experiences in the womb can shape our personality and behavior for the rest of our lives. A unique narrative about a couple's transformation through a guided fantasy exercise offers a compelling demonstration of these concepts. 

Our journey doesn't end here, as we explore strategies for changing set points and tuning our experiences to their optimum. Dr. Diruzzo shares methods on how to harness our prenatal experiences to reshape our reference structures and impact our level of happiness in life.  Expect a deep dive into a conversation about the importance of rapport, love, and creating a positive environment for growth. We wind down with some candid talks about acknowledging our own mistakes and feeling the occasional mortification. Join us for this introspective journey into the Optimal Human Experience™, and let's start turning your life's potential into a reality together!

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Speaker 1:

This is the Optimal Human Experience Podcast with Dr Joseph DiRuzzo. To learn more, visit OptimalHumanExperiencecom. And now. Dr Joseph DiRuzzo and the Optimal Human Experience Podcast.

Speaker 2:

Welcome to episode 14 of the Optimal Human Experience Podcast with Dr Joseph DiRuzzo. I'm Paul, andrew, and today we're going to talk about a bunch of stuff. We were talking earlier about the pursuit of happiness. You had some insights which, quite frankly, I need some minerals.

Speaker 3:

What a sad thing really. It makes me angry that things are so sad. I get depressed and I'm skeptical that it will ever get better and I'm full of grief, but every once in a while there will be a pathological chuckle.

Speaker 2:

In my experience, In the midst of your misery, in the midst of misery.

Speaker 3:

I thought of a good term to use regarding the fact that men and women have been weaponized and they're so profoundly out of report. You know what we can call this episode? What can we call it? The War of the Roses? How's that.

Speaker 2:

I think that's been done.

Speaker 3:

I was going into Kroger yesterday with my friend Feather whose actual name is Heather, but I call her Feather and there was this black dude who was coming out the door when I was going in the door and he had a handful of really beautiful roses and I said hey man, what you going to do with those roses? He said I'm going to give them to my girl. I said I want you to knock that off. You make the rest of us look bad. I mean, you know I didn't have any intention to get roses. He said you need to give some roses to that girl. And for a moment, there we were, for a brief shining moment. We were all three of us in rapport.

Speaker 2:

In rapport.

Speaker 3:

In rapport.

Speaker 2:

In rapport Because Feather was imagining the prospect of someone, anyone, giving her roses, a whole bunch of beautiful roses.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, so the concept of rapport deprivation sickness which has haunted me for years. I had a woman come in when I was in private practice practicing privately, and she had migraine headaches that's the name. And she said I have migraine headaches. And I said, all right, my green headaches are usually associated with improper liver gallbladder function in Chinese medicine. So we give her a little acupuncture and she started to look better and feel better immediately, turn pink, started to smile. I said how are you doing? She said I feel better. I said, okay, I'll see you in a week. She came back a week later she had migraine headaches again and I said, okay, now, associated with liver gallbladder function in Chinese medicine is the color green, and if you ever seen a person who's really sick, they have different colors. But she was as green as a Christmas tree and so gave her a little acupuncture. She felt better. I sent her home. See, in a week she came back and with liver gallbladder function, you'll see often shouting. You ever hear that, see, a drunk would damage their liver and they shout.

Speaker 3:

They're loud and belligerent, what do you mean? And they're angry. So you have green as the color, emotion is anger, the sound is shouting and you know. I said to her is there anything in your life that's making you angry, upsetting you? She said no, I'm going through a divorce, but other than that everything's fine. I said really.

Speaker 3:

So this concept of report, deprivation sickness, when you have stress, whether it's mental, emotional, chemical, in terms of bad food or exposure to adverse chemical, physical, walking around on hard floors like a nurse, might you know, walk on hard floors for an eight hour shift and thermal, if people are exposed to cold, they'll say why. I went out and I got, I got cold and then the next day I was sick, I didn't feel good. So you usually see some kind of stress before people come down with an illness. But this concept of report, deprivation sickness, when people are out of rapport, especially in their primary relationship, then you'll have a disturbance or problem over time. The stuff doesn't happen like bingo over time. Lungs, large intestines, stomach, spleen, heart, small intestine bladder, kidney, gallbladder, liver, thyroid, adrenals, pituitary and gonads, you've got 14 major organ systems or major meridian systems and there's there's a problem. If a person is fighting with their spouse? What happens to the rate of transit through the digestive system?

Speaker 2:

I got to think. I got to think it's like it's right in the same line as fight or flight. You ain't worried about digesting your food, You're worried about surviving.

Speaker 3:

And so the digestive system slows down. There's improper deamination of amino acids and the colon retains waste products. And those retained waste, those retained metabolites, contribute to cancer, the colon and other kinds of illnesses. So this concept of being in rapport is absolutely critical. When is rapport, deprivation and sickness installed as a formal pattern for many people?

Speaker 2:

Gosh, if I had to guess, you mean for the very first time.

Speaker 3:

When did they feel like that for the very first time?

Speaker 2:

Well, given that, as we've discussed before, any emotion that you feel currently, you had to feel for the very first time, and for most, if not all, people, that very first time was during the prenatal period.

Speaker 3:

Exactly, there was a sonogram video of a baby in the womb and mom and dad were fighting and they were yelling at each other and with every shouted word the sonogram showed this little baby jumping in the womb and it was the startle reflex. Do you know what the startle reflex is in infants? Do I know what it is?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, Were they where they'll jump yeah.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, a door closes and they'll jump. I've worked with people who had startle reflex installed in them before they were born and they would be like 50 years old and guess what they still had. They're still stuck in a startle reflex. And if you do the age regression back to the prenatal period and find mom and dad are fighting and they're just stuck in the startle reflex needless to say, you probably know somebody like that. Needless to say, that is not a good place to live your life from. That is not the optimal human experience.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it could be.

Speaker 3:

When we talk about a permanent, ongoing, long-lasting feeling of happiness, you're talking about glucose at the proper milligram percent, uric acid in a very little, small amount, bile salts, hydrochloric acid, all the rest of the hormones, enzymes, antibodies, all of the lab values, everything being in within a very normal range and that's the optimal range. So I took this program in diagnosis and internal diseases and really the centerpiece at least of one part of it was the idea that there are norms in lab values. But as people have gotten sicker over the years, guess what they did with the norms?

Speaker 2:

Well, oh, you know what, there's too many people that are outside. Let's widen that a bit. Widen the norms.

Speaker 3:

It's to be reasonable. So the norms are widely expanded, right, and they taught us to take a look at what's close to pathology either too high or close to pathology, too low. And you have somebody who's in the normal range, or what's called normal, and they're almost in pathology on four, five, six different lab values. Guess what? You've got somebody who's horribly ill and nobody can figure out what's wrong with them. They're doctors who basically got the same physiology. He looks at their lab values and goes well, this is within normal and this is within normal and this is no, they're not, this is not normal. It may say normal, it's not normal. And so what? You adjust things using diet and exercise, et cetera, and vitamins, minerals, so on and so forth, so that they're more toward the center and that is more toward the optimal human experience, and they all get well. But if they go the standard medical route, chances are good they're going to be sick forever.

Speaker 2:

Well, you get a drug for that symptom and then, of course, it has side effects which create more symptoms, and so you get a drug for the symptom of the side effect from the drug to treat the symptom that you started with. I had a client who gosh she was on 15 different different pharmaceuticals and the majority of them were to treat side effects from one or two of these other drugs that she was taken.

Speaker 3:

I always marveled at the psychoactive drugs. I mean, suppose somebody's terribly depressed, and you know they, for whatever reason. How do they figure out a specific drug would do anything to that depression? I mean, do they like look at the molecular structure of it and say, oh, maybe this will fit in there, or do they just hand them some drugs and say here, take these and tell me how you feel? I mean, what was the process whereby they was identified? That you were better off on Thorazine?

Speaker 2:

Well, here's an anecdote, which we all know how valuable anecdotes are. It's double blind tested anecdote. I met this woman who was a sales rep for a pharmaceutical company for many years before she quit and discussed, and essentially she explained that the process for coming up with a new drug and getting it out on the market is they had these scientists back in the lab creating drugs and then they'd give it to animals or people and see what it did and then go hmm, okay, it makes your legs not you know jump around as much. So what could that be? Okay, so then they would create a syndrome that the drug would treat and then go push that, so that the restless leg syndrome thing was an outcropping of this drug that was developed. That, you know, seemed to make people's legs not you know jump around as much, and so they have a new syndrome and a new drug to treat it, and a billion dollars, Thank you. A billion dollars, oh, huge. I don't know, I'm exaggerating. It's an anecdote.

Speaker 3:

I can say whatever you want you are always exaggerating, but I mean the point is well taken. It's like you know, and my acupuncture teacher used to say you know, 30 years, 40 years, the weird things that you people have been doing. A five year study is nothing Right, you know. You have a study that goes over a couple of hundred years and you start to get an indicator, but, as far as I can tell, Mother Nature replicates most, if not all, of what it is that we need.

Speaker 3:

Having said that, though, you know we have people who've been living their entire life on refined carbohydrates and and food called food dining five and food dining number two. They're a different animal, they really. There are times when, especially antibiotics are very, very necessary, very important. But to get back to the optimal human experience, if your mom and dad are in rapport, and that in that intense toward the optimal blood, blood chemistry, then you'll have people who are characteristically happier. That's my observation. I haven't done double blind peer reviewed studies, but in this kind of makes sense. We don't live our lives on double blind peer reviewed studies. We live our lives on what makes common sense and this concept of rapport, deprivation, sickness. By it. It's very powerful. People need to start getting in rapport with the people around them, and sometimes that's a difficult task, but with time and patience. And guess who the most important person to get in rapport with in your life is?

Speaker 2:

I'm thinking the guy that brings the paper, but I could be wrong.

Speaker 3:

The blonde down the blonde two doors over. No, paul, the most important to begin to person to get in rapport with for you is you, you yourself you.

Speaker 3:

You have to start getting happy and you have to start getting rapport with yourself. I one time had a girlfriend. She was from Quebec, france, or Quebec, canada. She spoke French and I'm from France. She was kind of classy, but she wasn't very happy and she was kind of physically she wasn't. She wasn't all that healthy, and so I used to keep her amused by telling her jokes and telling her how beautiful she was and I would, you know, dance and do a little tap dancing. As long as I danced and she was distracted, we were fine. Well, one day I just said I'm not going to do this anymore, I'm not going to be unpleasant, I'm not going to be rude, I'm just not going to jump up and down and you know, do sparklers. And that went on for like half an hour and she turned me and said you know, I think your, your problem is you're just not happy with yourself. Is it really Really? Well, I guess you should know that was pretty much the end of that.

Speaker 2:

She was wanting a dinner and a floor show and you cut off the floor show and it was over. That's about halfway of this episode and just want to remind you that if you want to hear more, visit OptimalHumanExperiencecom. That's OptimalHumanExperiencecom. There's a free course by email where you can go over some of the basics of the Optimal Human Experience, what it is, how you get there, other courses, a lot of videos, all of the podcast episodes. There you have it. Optimalhumanexperiencecom, give us a visit Now.

Speaker 2:

We were talking earlier about this pursuit of happiness and discussed the physiological aspects of hey, what if you ate good food and healthy food? But then again, where? Tell me, if you agree, is this a good place to go over where those initial feelings come from for the very first time, the initial dogma? And when you were talking about having healthy food and going back to nature, I was reminded of a story you've told a couple of times about that couple who had come to one of your presentations, one of your public presentations, and they talked like this and they said boy, this is interesting and people need to hear that one again because you talk about having good food, but in this case, what do they call it when you reveal the hidden secret? Any epiphany, spoiler alert. Sometimes just the mere construct of good nutrition can make a difference.

Speaker 3:

So what is astonishing is when you work with prenatal re-imprinting. Well, let's do the formal dogma prenatal re-imprinting A sperm meets an unfertilized egg. They come together, make a fertilized ovum, an ovum that divides into two cells, four cells, eight cells, 16 cells. Then, when it reaches the 32 cell stage, it forms a ball called the blastula. At that point the inner cell mass of the blastula begins to spread out rostrally and caudally toward that and toward the feet and immediately forms the neural plate. The first differentiated tissue of the human body is nervous tissue, and at this point personality structure begins to be laid down as a series of simple Pavlovian stimulus response reflexes. And all of the problems that people have in life, without exception, are the end results of maladaptive reflexes established in the prenatal period under conditions of maternal and or fetal distress. Okay, that's our formal dogma. By the way, do you know how many spontaneous abortions there are, Spontaneous miscarriages there?

Speaker 2:

are Gosh, you talked about that before I was some huge percentage.

Speaker 3:

It's like 70%, yeah, so I mean it's just a huge number. All anxiety is what I mentioned, this to you All anxiety is oh separation anxiety. Yeah, and so you have this little ball of cells coming down the fallopian tubes and down the uterus and it's trying to get implanted into the, into the uterine wall, and if the chemistry is not right, there won't be an adequate electromagnetic attraction between the embryo and the wall of the uterus and it'll start to implant and then it goes and it goes over here.

Speaker 2:

Okay and hold on. And so at that point, at that point in development there is, the neural plate has already started, when the that's a fascinating question.

Speaker 3:

There are people who will contend that consciousness occurs at the moment that sperm and egg come together and give off a little flash of light.

Speaker 2:

Light yeah.

Speaker 3:

So, no matter what you say, it's like this general timeframe. Remember, I said to you you used to do financial planning. I said what do people fear most? And you said loss of their capital.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. And when people are separated from their money. Yeah, separation anxiety, absolutely.

Speaker 3:

And people will say well, get in divorce and the kids are going with my wife. They're being what Separated? Separated from their kids. Yeah, all anxiety is separation anxiety.

Speaker 2:

Wow, is that weird? Yeah, yeah, kind of is.

Speaker 3:

So the question that you're talking about, these people, you know your central nerve axis begins being developed very early in embryonic territory, in embryonic. And so my I had an aunt named Daras and she was married to my uncle, sandy, and they talked like this and it was Dar esby, quiet, oh, sandy. I'm just telling what my son of the start it was like. It was like nails on a chalkboard all the time Right, it was horrible. And where and where did they grow up? When were they prenatal? During the great depression, and my mother used to tell me stories about they would have peanut butter that they had to stir the oil in. It would separate.

Speaker 3:

They had to stir it and they would put it on hard bread and they would have bread and peanut butter and coffee.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, Well, he is three of the main food groups.

Speaker 3:

And so, as far as I could tell and this is pure conjecture, but every time I act on these pure conjectures, they seem to work just fine. So they, this couple, I was in Houston. They had the bread, peanut butter and coffee. Voice and Joe, how are you doing? It's horrible. They said we want a session. So we did a session with them and I said imagine your mother goes out on a nice beautiful day, takes a bowl full of blueberries and heavy cream for the essential amino or fatty acids, and I had them put their heads down in the prenatal position and have that as a guided fantasy. And after they sat there and shook and convulsed and squirmed and shuddered, and after about 15 minutes they put their heads up and the man turned to his wife and said my goodness dear, that was really a remarkable and interesting experience. How are you? And she said well darling, I'm just fine. And that certainly was different, Wasn't it now? And I just about fell out of the chair.

Speaker 2:

And so they went from hey, let's do some of this here thing this fella is talking about.

Speaker 3:

There was a whole this is fantastic.

Speaker 3:

Holy, holy, unrehearsed. But the one of the concept or one of the patterns in prenatal re-impering with which you're familiar is the concept of the umbilical cord being kinged or curled or something like that. So physiology and psychology are the front and back of the same thing. The only thing is you have to have the discernment to identify what you're working with. People would come into me and they say I feel like I sabotaged myself, I feel like I should go and do something, but then I hold back. I feel like I you know I can do this. But then I I defeat myself and I say, all right, put your head down and go into the prenatal trance and wait a minute until they get into that. And I'll say, all right, what's the condition of your umbilical cord? And they go what? And I go look at your umbilical cord, who's umbilical cord is it anyway?

Speaker 3:

And they go well, it's mine, I go well good look at it, tell me what's going on, you can look I mean it's all a guided pain.

Speaker 3:

I see, anyway, they look at me and they say what's kinked? And I said what's the feeling you get? They go. Well, the feeling is, if I move, it'll kink. And then I'll be caught off and it'll kill me. And I'll say is that the feeling you get when you hold yourself back? Is it that feeling? Is it another feeling? Is it a parallel feeling, is it a different feeling? And they go. Oh, my goodness, it's the exact same feeling.

Speaker 2:

And there it is, the initial imprinting experience happened during that period of time, as this little tiny what do they call it? Oh, it's just a clump of cells this little tiny clump of cells, in that emotion, that feeling is recapitulated over and over and over and over for decades and decades and decades. That's their life.

Speaker 3:

It may very well be a defining moment in their life. So what I do frequently is I give them a reference structure of being in control. I'll say can you turn up the volume on your radio? They go, yeah, I'll go, put your hand out and turn up the volume. Now put their hand out and I want to anchor the feeling of being in control and I'll say, okay, go back to this mental image that you have of your umbilical cord being crooked and straighten it out. They go why can't straighten it out? I'll say, well, whose umbilical cord is it? Anyways, they go well, it's mine. They go well, put your hand out and straighten it out as you adjust the sound and get the feeling you can do this. This is balance to you Right? They straighten it out and you get a different person. You get a different human being with a different neuro psychiatric history. Isn't?

Speaker 2:

that, just like the couple who I mean the fact that they did this meditation for a few minutes and twisted and jerked and they're just sitting there imagining as you guide them through this. Yeah well, and then they come up and go. Well, they still ate the peanut butter and the coffee.

Speaker 3:

Right, they didn't change, changing physiologic set points. You want to change the frequency and amplitude of firing in the central, in the central neoxys, so you can adjust. You want to change the set point so that they no longer have a sense of irritation. Are you familiar with the sense of irritation?

Speaker 2:

No, no, I've never had.

Speaker 3:

Well, I was for you personally you went through a brief, brief prenatal experience and you learned that you had a lot of irritation. What happened the other side? Well, you get out of it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean, I've told this story before. It was the first time I went to the one of your presentations, gosh, 263 years ago, right about the time Biden was elected to the Senate, as I recall and I just watched someone else in the room have this experience. That was unbelievable. And then you look at me and you go. You know you look like you're irritated, you ever feel irritated and I'm like all the effin time. Yeah, yes, I do.

Speaker 2:

And you had me go into the prenat you expect laying going to the prenatal position, put your head down and you walk me through this guided fantasy and, much like you, had the other fellow reach out and untwist his cord and straighten it out. You had me clean out the amniotic fluid, which apparently was kind of irritating, and I came out of that. That guided fantasy lifted my head up and it was the first time in my life that I had experienced what it was like not to be irritated. It was. It was the weirdest thing you can imagine, because I I did. I never knew what it felt like not to be irritated, because I'd just been irritated all the time.

Speaker 3:

And it's a set point phenomena. Yeah, when you're in the womb and your mother you know something that it causes either a physiologic or a psychological set point to be set, established. That will be like your reference structure and that's what people go to and that's why the prenatal re-imprinting technology is so profound. Yeah, I mean, it just changes things right from the physiology on up.

Speaker 2:

Well, and when you?

Speaker 3:

talk about. When you talk about people being happy, I had a fellow who came to me and he wasn't unhappy at all. I can't even remember. You know, people come to me because they've heard I do something different. So I said, you know, put your head down and what's going on? It was, oddly enough, he was in Israel and people were shooting and so on and so forth, and I said, well, are you upset? And he said, well, it's not all that pleasant, but I'm okay. I said, well, what's going on that makes you okay? He said, well, mom and dad are tight, mom and dad love each other and they're hanging on to each other and they're there for each other and I'm okay, I'm okay. And he was not very far from the optimal human experience in terms of blood chemistry and physiology. Wow Right, mom and dad were in rapport. They were in a war zone, there's guns going off, but they were in rapport and they loved each other. And that was not a profoundly unperson, unhappy person, not at all.

Speaker 2:

Well, yeah, he got the. He got much closer to the optimal human experience from the get go, as opposed to other other people me, with my irritation, and this other guy would. I can't do anything. He's got a kink and umbilical cord Unbelievable. That is our time for episode 14 of the optimal human experience podcast with Dr Joe Deruzo. I'm Paul, andrew and, okay, this is a good one, dang. I had some other stuff to talk about. I guess we'll have to do another day.

Speaker 3:

We'll do it again.

Speaker 2:

All right, we'll see you next time. Take care.

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 2:

Hey, um, hey, young man, how you doing so? I'm just picturing this couple that never ceases to give me a chuckle when I think about the couple with the peanut butter and the coffee and the little bit of depression. And hey, hey, this hammus is fishing. Unbelievable in their role for a darling, isn't it so fantastic.

Speaker 3:

How logically consistent is all of this stuff.

Speaker 2:

Well, you know, it seems impossible. Well, because it's never been double balling tested, of course, but then by gosh when you experience it you go. Well, okay, you know, you know, that's it.

Speaker 3:

That's it, live on stage. I told you what I did to Randy Kelton regarding Reasoning right. I don't know. He prides himself on being reasonably well educated. He does live on law and he's got his own talk show oh, yeah, yeah, very much so.

Speaker 3:

And so he said to me this free needle, re-imprinting, how did you figure that out? And I said to him, in the standard English, just threshold arrogance, right, like if I'm talking like this, I'm not arrogant. If I move my nose up just a hair, what happens? Just a tad, just a tad. I said to him well, it was an exercise in pure Reasoning. You have read Emmanuel Kant, a critique of pure Reasoning, 1787, of course, correct. He said. Well, you know, you haven't read Emmanuel Kant, you have Kant, I've read Kant. And I mortified him just slightly, not too much, but one must be mortified from time to time if one feels inadequate.

Speaker 2:

Well, especially if you're born, as I have errors about one's own. Yes.

Speaker 3:

Yes, yes, yes, yes yes.

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