Simple & Deep™ Podcast
Locked Inside a Story
In the latest episode of our podcast, we delve into the profound process of studying our narratives to discern the themes, contours, and patterns that shape our lives. We discuss how this introspective journey leads to greater depth, significance, and purpose - enabling us to turn the page with newfound understanding and appreciation. Tune in as we explore the importance of personal storytelling, shedding light on the transformative power it holds to bring about self-awareness, resilience, and growth.
In the latest episode of our podcast, we delve into the profound process of studying our narratives to discern the themes, contours, and patterns that shape our lives. We discuss how this introspective journey leads to greater depth, significance, and purpose - enabling us to turn the page with newfound understanding and appreciation. Tune in as we explore the importance of personal storytelling, shedding light on the transformative power it holds to bring about self-awareness, resilience, and growth.
Welcome to the Simple and Deep podcast where we delve into attachment stories and intentional living. I'm your host, wisteria Edwards, and I'm thrilled to have you here with me today. We'll be exploring the depths of all of these topics together, sharing insights and unlocking the power hidden within your story. Let's get started.
Speaker 2:Welcome back to Simple and Deep. I'm your host, wisteria Edwards, and, reflecting back on our last episode, we spoke about story and the importance and significance of our own story. Our purpose can be locked within a story, inside us, and all stories that we are a part of need to be named, pondered, articulated and blessed. But that's a process named, pondered, articulated and blessed. But that's a process. It's not always easy to go back and think about places that we have been harmed and where there is great heartache. But here at Simple and Deep, that is one of my greatest passions how our attachment is connected to our story and how those traumas developmental traumas propel our story forward. Tragedy is what moves our story forward. Think about that If you didn't have any tragedy or sadness or things happen to you, life would be pretty chill, but it wouldn't move forward. It's not until we are stretched, shattered, challenged, all of those things that we actually will make change. Because we like to be comfy, cozy, right, we like to be in a place where things are predictable and things are easy, and it's like the saying predictable hell versus unpredictable heaven. So we will often choose places that feel familiar to our nervous systems and that's why we will perpetuate trauma. We'll look for it because our brain, if we have been in a constant fight or flight we think that's normal so often and this is what I've learned in my own story is the fact that when we actually come to a place where we call the parasympathetic nervous system, where we come down to a neutral kind of place where we can feel truly calm in our body, it's going to feel kind of boring and dull because we've been used to having a heightened state of awareness and where we have lived in our brain. In my own work I started to reflect on why I became a teacher. I didn't have one of those aha moments that I remembered, where I was like this is what I want to do with my life. Where I was like this is what I want to do with my life.
Speaker 2:When I got to college we were taking all of our 101 kind of courses. Roommate was doing psychology, other people were doing philosophy, religion, some people were pre-med so they were doing biology, that sort of thing, and I had two scholarships one for music, for singing, and one for drama. I could have gone either route. My voice teacher wanted me to go into opera and my drama professor obviously wanted me to go towards Broadway. And then I met my husband and I just wanted to get married, completely opposite of what most of the people in my life were expecting. So I took an education 101 class and what's interesting to me is it didn't even occur to me that I would have a career in opera or Broadway, even though I'd spent my entire life in the theater and singing. I just knew that I was going to become a teacher when I was going through my own process of looking back on my life, I wanted to know why.
Speaker 2:Often we don't even ask ourselves that question. Why am I drawn to certain people? Why do I feel comfortable here? Why do I like this? We don't ask ourselves those questions.
Speaker 2:Dan Allender said that we spend tons of time looking at whatever we're going to study, whether it's education, medicine, all of those kinds of things but we never take the time to really study our own story. But yet that is a constant in our life. Our story has contours and patterns and themes. If we were to look at it, these things are not random. They make sense if we go back, but if we don't study it, it does feel super random and like we're at the mercy of whatever happens. So I started a course where he asked us to look at a story and they were talking about kind of a pain threshold, so 10 being the most painful and one being not painful at all, something as dull as driving to work every day. So they encouraged in the course to start with a story that was between four and maybe seven.
Speaker 2:In the course to start with a story that was between four and maybe seven, right? So you have a little bit of leeway of what you can choose and at this point you've already listed several different memories and then kind of categorize them by pain threshold, because you don't want to start with the highest pain threshold. It's kind of like when I was quilting, so many people would start with a pattern that was so incredibly intense, like the double wedding ring, that they never wanted to do it again. I don't know if any of you are like me, but many of us will start like gangbusters out of the gate the hardest thing possible when we're trying something new and then we're like, oh yeah, this sucks, I'm never going to do it again. So same thing with story work. You want to go to a story that isn't going to be too painful. So I did that and they encourage you to write it out.
Speaker 2:Writing out something is much more productive for your brain. You're having to synthesize, tap into your senses and emotions, which I covered in the last episode. If you're not familiar with that, I would encourage you to go back and listen to the episode right before this. But so you go through and you list all of that stuff and I did several stories and then I wanted to tap into perhaps what had made me become a teacher. So what's interesting about story work is that you have to think back with your senses but then also make some logical deductions about when certain things happened.
Speaker 2:For instance, in one of the stories that I'm going to read for you, we were making jointed skeletons. So those of us who grew up in the 80s did a lot of what we call Brad crafts. So Brad's are those little tiny fasteners. You stick them through with the point and then you spread the two sides opposite ways and then you can actually have all these like jointed crafts where you know teddy bears arms and legs can move, that sort of thing. I freaking hate Brad crafts and I know this because it was tied back to this story, but it's also. I had a third grade teacher that loved those things and so we made a ton of crappy crafts and um and finger puppets. So to this day I just refuse to do them when people are like, oh, and here's a really great activity. No, not happening. So I didn't know why I hated them until I look back. But I had to think to myself okay, so if we were making skeletons, it's going to be what? Probably October.
Speaker 2:Then looking back and understanding who I was in that moment but also what kind of things were going on in my life around that time, our purposes, like I said, are totally entrenched in story. The previous winter before this story occurred, winter before this story occurred, we had been in a pretty intense car accident, my father and I. It was in January and the roads were icy. We were on our way to take me to school with a neighbor child that lived around the corner. A man came flying into the intersection and t-boned my dad's truck, causing us to spin, and I actually flew out from underneath my dad's arm because he was trying to protect me. I was in the process of putting on my seatbelt and smacked my head hard on the dashboard. So in the 80s we didn't call that a brain injury, we just kind of called it. You know I had a mental block is what they called it. But after that my computation and everything went into that tank. I was dealing with a lot of different things that had happened. I was already dealing with a lot of trauma before I went into my third grade year with Miss D is what I call her in the book. So that kind of gives you an idea of where I'm at. It's late October, the fall of my third grade year.
Speaker 2:I'm nine years old and assigned to the portable class of Miss D, a woman who makes me feel uncomfortable, anxious and miserable. She's nothing like my beautiful, kind and affectionate second grade teacher. Seven months prior I'd hit my head in a car accident, resulting in a brain injury that severely impacted my computation and fine motor skills. My second grade teacher had panicked upon hearing of the wreck and was devoted to my recovery. Still, I found myself in the learning assistance program lack and the shame of being less than covered me like a blanket. Where I had once felt valued and equal to my peers, I now wore a new label learning disabled. They didn't call it a brain injury in the 1980s. I was slow learning, disabled, dumb, suffering from a mental block, and I just needed to try harder. No matter what I did or how hard I tried, I couldn't overcome the deficit. Red marks littered every assignment that I learned to shove to the back of my desk.
Speaker 2:Ms D holds nothing back. When she interacts with me, her disdain seeps through her sickly fraudulent smile, followed by her dramatic eye rolls. Whenever I would ask a question, she's loud and bullies selected children, me included, boisterously laughing at the jokes that she makes at our own expense. When children misbehave, she states that she's going to throw us in the trash can a nasty reference to the Garbage Pail Kids trading cards recently released to mock the popular Cabbage Patch Kids. To add insult to injury, we're only a few doors down from my beloved second grade classroom, although my former teacher had already moved on to another school. As we enter the building from recess, I occasionally glance in the direction but feel the sting of loss squeezing my chest. I instinctively know if I embrace that ache, tears will come, giving Miss D more ammunition. I'm confused by her cruelty and unsure why she singled me out for her insults and humor Every day. I pray that our principal, mr Wilson, will enter the room and catch her treating me like this. He loves me, remembers my name and enjoys listening to my stories and singing. Where is he For the school's talent shows?
Speaker 2:I sang in front of the packed gymnasium of Jefferson Elementary. One year I held a metallic star for when you Wish Upon, a Star that caused the microphone to squeak and buzz, and the next year I twirled a ribbon on a stick to accompany my dramatic interpretation of the song True Colors by Cyndi Lauper. I know that you're sorely disappointed that you missed these things. Believe me, they were epic.
Speaker 2:What made these experiences precious to me was how Mr Wilson noticed and appreciated me. He would sit in the center of the gym during rehearsals, with complete chaos swirling around him, beside a large pea green tape player circa 1984. Turn off his hearing aids and read his Louis L'Amour novels. I didn't have to ask if he loved me because I knew it. He would wink at me after I sang, call me by my name and laugh when I tackled him with a hug in the lunch line. Whenever I had a banana in my lunch, it became a telephone and if there was a ponytail it was tugged in affection. I loved him. There was no doubt that I was safe in his care.
Speaker 2:When he announced his retirement in my fifth grade year, the loss was palpable and cut like a knife. To this day, I have a framed photo of him on my desk to remind me that I carry on what he started in me. That is being intentional. Every day, with every child, I'm sitting at my third grade desk constructing a skeleton for Halloween, listening to the other children enjoying our teacher's company and finding myself envious of their connection. I always feel on the outside of everyone and everything. We're supposed to attach the joints with gold brads, so his arms swing back and forth. I'm so sick of all her little stupid craft projects and I have zero interest in doing my best work for her. It's never good anyway, or good enough. Rage in my belly churns as I crumple the skeleton parts into a ball.
Speaker 2:I have no desire to play her games and make cute things, as though I actually enjoy her class. Chewed pencils litter the ground as they fall out of my desk, but I continue shoving the watered up pieces of paper as far back as they'll go. She must have seen me doing this, or maybe one of her chosen favorites ratted me out. She's furious with me now and, like the eye of Sauron, she zeroes in on me, a target of her disdain. Today the words have been erased from my memory, but not the feeling and the sensations Humiliation, shame, loss. Sitting at my school desk, I feel my stomach tighten. As the heat burns my face, I begin to choke back, tears repeating in my head. I will not cry, I will not cry. I know that if I cry, she'll have more to make fun of me and humiliate me. Her insults come quicker now and the kids in the front row start laughing at her jokes. Suddenly, a sob bursts from my throat and I wail.
Speaker 2:I hate you All. The sound in the room stops and tears run down my cheeks and my heart beats loudly in my ears. Silence. She's stunned by my outburst and my rage. Every child turns my way in wide-eyed shock. They're about to witness my execution. You're not supposed to treat me like this. I cried. The bell rings for recess and the class jumps to flee. No doubt that they want nothing to do with the atomic bomb that I've just detonated Not you, missy. She barks to me. You put your head down, storming over to her desk. She sits down, refusing to look my way the entire recess. She's a cruel and heartless woman. Why doesn't anybody come to rescue me from her? Every time another grown-up enters the room, she becomes sickly sweet. She's a fraud and I know she doesn't like me. I also know something else she's a horrible teacher and I deserve better. I deserve better and I told her so. Now I'm being punished for knowing so.
Speaker 2:It wasn't until I put pen to paper and wrote out this encounter with Misty that I realized the deepest truth. No-transcript. I stood up for my rights as a child and called out her injustice and her abuse and her cruelty. Instinctively, I knew better. I knew that I deserved better. And that moment was one of the countless times that I would have to stand up for children's or a child's emotional well-being, and it started with me. I'd had difficulty pinpointing why I'd become a teacher and while writing out this specific story, I finally knew the answer to my question was locked inside a story. But this story had never been named or pondered or articulated or blessed by me. So if, as we look inside ourself, we're going to see that stories or moments, they don't go away for a reason because they hold keys to unlocking our biggest whys.
Speaker 2:One of the themes of my life is being a truth teller, and I will definitely go into this in more detail. But my business, simple and Deep, is dedicated to women who are suffering from insecure attachment. But specifically, I really believe it's women like myself who have anxious attachment or had anxious attachment and have been ostracized. And the reason you've been ostracized oftentimes is that you have been told that you are quote, unquote too much, too emotional, too talkative, too loud, too much. You were not born to be subtle. Neither was I. We need loud, bold, amazing women in this world because they get stuff done.
Speaker 2:The problem with being someone who is bold, my friend Becca and I call us unicorns is the fact that people do not like to hear the truth. And I want to say don't worry, you can't catch vulnerability, you have to choose it. That scares the crap out of people. They would rather stay in a very comfy, cozy place where they don't have to ask themselves big questions like is something broken in me? Could I possibly not know everything? If I go back there, will it swallow me alive? Because we have a lot of pain and there are things that have happened to us throughout our lives, but especially in childhood, that were truly almost unbearable. And I am by no means dismissing or saying that those things did not matter, because they matter deeply. But what happens when you are a truth teller, when you have the ability to say that's not okay or I'm not comfortable with that? My big truth-telling question has always been why? Why is that happening? I'm noticing that, so I will say questions, or out statements or questions, and what happens is I am scapegoated. If we do a little bit of background on the idea of scapegoating, it's a biblical idea Priests would send a goat out into the wilderness for the sins that had not been repented of in Israel and it's supposed to be carrying that away because they're sacrificing lambs at the temple, but then they're also realizing that not everybody is going to confess right, so they're putting these sins, the blood on the goat, and sending that goat out into the wilderness. This is a theme of my life.
Speaker 2:Several years ago, I had a group of women who were dearly precious to me. These are women that I met on a specific retreat and we'd gone through some pretty emotional stuff over the weekend, and so we had opted to do life together. And this is after, I would say, three to four years of intense therapy on my part to break behavioral addictions, to break strongholds really like just trauma bonds in my life, and to heal from narcissistic abuse. And it was clear to me how much work I had done when I got to this weekend, how much work I had done when I got to this weekend. Each one of these women were dealing with different emotional and sexual issues and also some spiritual or religious trauma, which is a whole other topic. But we opted to do life together and fast forward. For two and a half years I would speak to these women every single day through an app that we used and we did life together and then we would meet in different states and different places and they were absolutely precious to me and I believed wholeheartedly that we were going to be together forever.
Speaker 2:But there were some patterns that I saw that were concerning to me. Specifically, one of my friends got into a real habit of wanting to complain. A lot right, and I guess for me, a lot right, like, and I guess for me, I, one of my, one of my things that makes me truly uniquely me is that I get frustrated with inactivity, or what I perceive is inactivity. So there are things that I'm all about, you know, mulling things over, working through things, but I also believe that at some point we need to take some action. We need to put one foot in front of the other and decide what we're going to do and stop going around the same mountain over and over again. So I called out the behavior that I was seeing and, to make a very long story short, that was not received because it would mean that someone would have to change and we can get very cozy with being broken together. So I waited. I was told, obviously, that I was not loving or kind, but I did see the behavior change in a positive way.
Speaker 2:But when we are changing or engaging stories or patterns in our life, it does not feel fun and it does not feel good. There is going to be discomfort as we move through brokenness and insecure attachment. We are going to have to face the fact, one, that we are broken and, two, that there are going to be some major shifts that happen and a good friend, a kind friend, a truth teller, is going to say here's what I see. This is why I'm concerned. But, my God, I love you so freaking much that I will walk with you through this. But we have to learn to not do things for people. But we can walk beside them and hold space and say you know what? I believe in the potential for you to be beyond this. I trust in your progress. I trust in your journey that you are going to a really good place of healing and hope.
Speaker 2:But unfortunately, I waited and waited for my friends to celebrate the fact that I was willing to be bold enough to say what it was that was going on, and they were silent. Often, if you are a truth teller, you will deal with a lot of silence from people. You will be ghosted, you will be left out of plans. You will be chastised for being unloving, but if you are going to heal and secure attachment, you're also going to be breaking massive amounts of family systems that are in place, because it's easier to blame someone than have to look at our own crap. So there will be times where you're going to feel very alone in the wilderness, but I'm starting to learn that being in the wilderness is better than being in a place where you can't be your authentic self and that is really hard to realize that your tribe, your people, might be smaller for a while.
Speaker 2:The healthier you get my friend Becca and I have talked about this as well the healthier we get the less people we have in our little inner circle, because we just don't want to deal with crap anymore. We don't want to deal with people being fake or people not wanting to grow or conversations staying shallow. We want people that make our nervous system feel good, people that resonate with us and they get us. And I believe wholeheartedly that many of you listening to this have been in the same situation where you are emotionally dying because you want so desperately to have connection that you are afraid to step away from people who are not your people. And it wasn't until I looked at this one story that it made so many life experiences make sense, so many of them places where I felt like this is my place, this is my people. To have people turn on me. And if you are a bold, strong woman, you're told that you are the problem. But what if I'm going to?
Speaker 2:lay this out flat for you. What if you are not the problem but you are the solution? What if you are the healthiest person in the room? Because I need to tell you this, my friends, scapegoats are the healthiest people in the room. So what do people want to do? They want to kick you out, because when they kick you out, they don't have to deal with it anymore.
Speaker 2:There was something Dan Allender calls it the glory of God. There is some. There's glory of God in every single person on this planet, but we can't handle our own glory, and neither can other people. So what do they do? They try to dim it. They try to tell you that it's not okay for you to be bold and beautiful and big and able to see things and have empathy and really understand people. That is frightening. So what they want to do is dim that.
Speaker 2:And I'm not telling you that I have by any means come to terms with not being hurt by people rejecting, Because if you have had or do have insecure attachment that is anxious, your greatest fear is to be rejected or abandoned. But I think that has a lot to do with the fact that we were, and as we look deeper into attachment, you're going to see that that is what the wound says to us and carries. It carries inside our body from infancy a hot, cold dynamic, Like we love you but now we don't want you. I love you but I'm distancing myself from you, and so that makes complete sense if you look back at your story. But some of the people I know that have healed from insecure attachment, especially anxious attachment, become tremendous leaders, entrepreneurs, visionaries, authors, podcasters, creators, because we feel so deeply and we think about how we interact with the world and we're really good at sensing things. And I think that Miss D didn't like the fact that I could see through everything. I unnerved her simply by being me, simply by being me. So if you can hear anything, you are not the problem. You are beautiful and capable and gifted.
Speaker 2:And if people have told you something that is not true about yourself, that is shame. Shame is the lie that someone else told you about yourself. But we have to backtrack and find where did that lie come from. It came from people like her in my life, Like that confusion. I don't know if you could relate to that, but I was truly confused.
Speaker 2:Why don't you like me? Now I'm not saying that, and my counselor told me this a long time ago whiskey. Well, she asked me the question. She said do you like everybody? And I said, well, no, and she goes. Well then, not everybody has to like you. And that was like boom like you. And that was like boom mind blowing because she's right, Like I don't have to be liked by everybody, but, boy, it feels good, Right. So that's why we'll stay in shallow experiences.
Speaker 2:But we're also really good with an insecure time of being able to read a room and people's expressions and we predict that something's going to change, so we watch for it. So the minute that something feels now that might not be the truth, but it feels like something is shifting we panic. And going back to the group of friends, I waited, which surprised me because I was in a really healthy place, and so I waited and I waited and eventually, a week and a half later, I did one of the hardest things that I ever had to do and I told them I no longer can be a part of this friendship group because we have to walk away from things that are not healthy, that are not going to be in our best interest. And oh my God, it's so hard and it's painful.
Speaker 2:I know I've missed their children's weddings. I know I've missed the birth of babies. I know that I've missed so many things. But I want people in my life who celebrate me, all of me. All of me, not just the parts that they like or the parts that fit into what they're constructing of me or mapping out of me in their mind, but all of me. And I'm so incredibly grateful for the people in my life who really see me for who I am and believe in me and what I bring to this world. And I'm learning not to try to make myself into something. I'm not just to make other people comfortable, but if you're in a place where you often feel alone, you're not, you're not, you're safe. Here I see you, I hear you and as you go back and think about stories in your life, when was the first place that shame spoke to you?
Speaker 2:Where was the first place that you can recall someone saying you need to stop doing that, or most likely you're going to come across a lot of narcissistic people, because, boy, do they not like light, they do not like boldness, they do not like joy, because it activates a lot of shame. So instead, if I feel shame, I'm going to put it on someone else. I have no idea what happened to Ms D, but I know that her brokenness was not going to get better unless she decided to engage her story. And so every day yes, I still have the picture of Mr Wilson on my desk, but every day I have to think about those moments and redeem those for myself. Moments where I find myself being exasperated. I go back and I apologize to children about it, I talk to them about it, I remind myself that in my care, no child will ever feel what I felt in that moment. And then I go back in the moments where I feel rejected and I talk to my baby girl inside and I say to her they are not rejecting you, they are broken and they don't understand. But I love you and you are beautiful and I love your joy, I love your enthusiasm, I love your excitement and creativity. I love you and I've got you.
Speaker 2:We need, with our insecurities, to know that our adult self can handle it. We've got ourselves. So, putting your hand on your chest, I would love for you to just close your eyes, take a deep breath and think to yourself. Envision yourself as a little girl. How old are you? Where are you? Can you comfortably go into that moment and just quietly sit beside yourself, introduce yourself to your little girl and say I'm you all grown up? And ask her if there's anything she needs to tell you, anything that she'd like to talk about? Does she have questions for you? Does she want to know why? But after she's asked you questions and you answer those to her in your mind, I want you to tell her how much you love her and how much you've got her and that you're going to work really hard, that you love her and that she is a part of you, and even if she didn't get what she needed when she was little, you're going to make sure that you give her what she needs now. That is the greatest gift of love that you can give yourself.
Speaker 2:I want to encourage you to, as you're writing out your stories, take out some pictures of yourself and I have several on my desk that I always keep here of myself and you're going to realize that there are going to be parts of you that are much more wounded than others. Mine was about three that I spent a lot of time with my counselor going through. Now story work is intense and I would not begin to tell you that you should always do it on your own. There are some great resources that I would also encourage you to find your own practitioner, your own counselor or therapist, someone who can walk with you through trauma repair, because it's so incredibly important for you to have an empathetic witness, someone who can attune to you and just sit and hold space with you. So definitely look, as you're looking for a therapist, for someone who specializes in developmental trauma, someone who understands attachment, someone who can I did lifespan integration it's not as common to find people that practice that but really someone EMDR is great People that will be able to understand the brain, and not just a relational therapist, although those are very helpful.
Speaker 2:You need someone who specializes and understands what trauma does to the body, what ACEs, adverse childhood experiences, do to you, because that is something that it's almost like an onion that they have to peel off the specific layers. So, for instance, when I went into therapy. I first had to talk about the narcissistic abuse that had put me there and the addictions. Then I had to pull that off and then my therapist was able to go to the root. So attachment insecure attachment is our actual wound. But you all know that a wound can get infected and then we have other symptoms. So if you have a place in your body that does have an ailment, you're going to start to like. So. When my gall bladder was failing, it was showing up in my skin, it was showing up everywhere, right, it was showing up in any possible way because my body was like help. So your attachment wound is showing up in all of your adversity and your relational brokenness. So it can be all traced back to broken attachment. It's broken connection with yourself and with others. So, with that being said, it's a process, it's a layering. It's amazing how much it takes but how deliberate you can go about healing those things. And so you're looking for a counselor who is incredibly secure and balanced and calm, because you are going to borrow and gain secure attachment from your therapist. So they need to really understand that and don't settle for someone if they don't understand that. Make sure you find someone who really gets you and understands as a whole trauma, because trauma is multifaceted.
Speaker 2:I'd also encourage you to look at the work of Gabor Mate. He has an amazing new book called the Myth of Normal. To Be Told by Dan Allender is another fantastic resource. He's talking about our story and how that relates to God, but also relates to how we see trauma. He specializes in sexual abuse and he really talks a lot about covert sexual abuse, which is ambivalent attachment and we'll discuss that later. But it definitely tweaks your view of sexuality, which it did in my case. So also the work of Brene Brown is phenomenal. So there are so many great resources. I'd also recommend the Power of Attachment by Diane Pohlheller. Love, love, love that book. I use it a lot in mine.
Speaker 2:So and of course, waiting for Mr Rogers Teaching with Attachment, attunement and Intention. And it's just not for teachers. I don't I want to put that misnomer out there, that that might be or it might be a misnomer. Excuse me that basically it's for only teachers, because it's not. We are foster parents to all children and we foster each other in a lot of ways right In relationships, and people come and go in our lives, just like foster children go in and out of homes, and I think that if you are disconnected from the child that you were, you're going to be fostering them back and understanding what it is to walk beside someone in love and kindness.
Speaker 2:So, with that being said, I'm going to end this episode, but I just encourage you to reach out if you have any questions, at wistiedwards, at gmailcom. You can find more information on my website as well, and keep an eye out. We're starting a brand new series, or we have started a brand new series of guided meditations on our YouTube channel. So if you type in a simple and deep guided meditations, you can find those on YouTube. You can link and subscribe, or subscribe to that and like it, and please share it on your social media platforms so that we can get more women to understand the power of mindfulness, of attachment, engaging our story and living with intention.
Speaker 2:So be well, my friends. That brings us to the end of this episode, but I am so incredibly grateful that you were here to spend this time with me. As always, I am available for any questions you might have at wisteriaedwardscom, as well as on all the social media platforms, and don't forget to check out. Waiting for Mr Rogers, now available on any place that books are sold. I look forward to our next time together. Take care.