Obstacles to Opportunities
When faced with life's obstacles, let's channel that negative energy into positivity and forge opportunities. Throughout the nation, business owners will share their experiences of triumphing over daunting challenges in their careers and lives, illustrating how they've harnessed these experiences for growth opportunities.
Obstacles to Opportunities
"Hidden Saints Among Us" with Cheri Connor, Bryanna McCain, and Makayla Smit
Join us as we delve into the stories of three extraordinary women who have not only excelled in their professional endeavors but have also found profound fulfillment in giving back to their communities.
Cheri Connor, Bryanna McCain, and Makayla Smit are not just successful professionals; they are also mothers, entrepreneurs, and advocates for positive change. But what sets them apart is their shared passion for making a difference in the lives of others.
In addition to their individual pursuits, these three decided to embark on a passion project together called Hidden Saint. Through this project, they aim to spread love, hope, and encouragement to those in need, transforming not only their own families but also touching the lives of countless others.
In our podcast episodes, we explore how Hidden Saint has become a family tradition that they're now sharing with others. From sharing personal stories to discussing the impact of their efforts, Cheri, Bryanna, and Makayla offer valuable insights into the transformative power of kindness and compassion.
But their journey doesn't end there. As advocates for positive change, they invite listeners like you to join them in their mission to spread love and encouragement far and wide.
So tune in to our podcast, and let's explore how Cheri, Bryanna, and Makayla are changing the world—one act of kindness at a time. Get ready to be inspired and empowered to join the movement of the Hidden Saint. Together, we can make a difference. For more information and to get involved visit: https://www.thestoryatelier.net/hidden-saints-store
Welcome to the obstacles opportunities podcast.
Speaker 2:I'm Jess Pell, your host, and I'm Heather Kane, your co host.
Speaker 1:Okay, guys, I wish you could have a bird's-eye view into the studio today, because our room is packed and this is the biggest crew that we've had. We have the Connor family, and so I'm going to make a quick introduction. I met two of the ladies here. They're actually my neighbors and we met at like a community event, I believe was how we first met and I just fell in love with them, and their mother is here, and so I'm going to introduce her first. So we've got Sherry Cotter, who is mom, and she's the mother of five children. She is the grandmother of two and one on the way and, yes, we're on, yeah, our own baby watch, and she's very devoted to a nonprofit called Sunlight Home and that's a pregnancy home service for women and teens and need a shelter and support. Sherry also worked as a speech therapist in Collier County for seven years and she now co-owns and operates a recruiting company in which she recruits employees from around the country within the construction industry, and I love that. There's so much we want to dig into on that, sherry, okay, so now I'm going to switch over to Brianna McCain. So she is a mother of two and I have the privilege of seeing her two children running around the neighborhood often and I get to yell at them and say hi. She is the VP of operations at a healthcare consulting company and she is passionate about the healthcare industry and entrepreneurship as a proud alumni of University of Florida and she is the master of entrepreneurship program, so she is like she's kind of like a pro entrepreneur Is that what you are? Okay, cool, she likes being active outdoors. I see her walking around the block constantly traveling and spending time with her family.
Speaker 1:Okay, last but not least, I've got Mikaela Smith. Okay, mikaela is a soon to be mother. Like we said, we're on baby watch. She is a writer and a business owner and just like an entrepreneur in spirit in all ways, so we're going to get into that. She is involved in multiple companies and projects and so we are going to get into some of that in our podcast. When we met Mikaela I guess what I could kind of kick this off with it was around Christmas and I saw a post on line and you guys had both, I think all tagged each other on it and it was something like we want to try to lift people's spirits this time of year and it got me intrigued and I was like what are they up to? So could you explain this to everybody and just kind of tell us like you have all this incredible business background, but you started what seems kind of like this passion project. That is just so fascinating and I want people to hear it.
Speaker 3:Okay, so our passion project or our mission is Hidden Saints, and so this was the first year we've done this. For five years it's been a family tradition that at Christmas time, we would talk amongst ourselves about a Hidden Saint, and this was basically a person. It could be a family member, it could be someone in the community, it could be a friend that we were just noticing. They were going about their daily lives, doing good for others, and the biggest thing, I think, about a Hidden Saint, for us in looking at people, was that they asked nothing in return. They weren't wanting gratitude, they didn't want recognition, they just got up every day and lived a very selfless life. They were the most unselfish person around, and so for us, it was looking outside of ourselves and looking at something bigger than us, and not being so self-centered, but seeing all the goodness around us. I think we get caught up in the negativity of life, especially right now, and that can be very depressing for many and very discouraging, and so we wanted to really bring awareness that on a daily basis, it may seem so negative and maybe even shallow, but to see all the people when you really start looking and that was what was so neat about this year was the first year of sharing.
Speaker 3:It is that friends of ours that did it were like they at first were like, well, I don't know if I know a Hidden Saint. And I was like, well, just kind of. Just as you go about your day like looking at people or you interact with someone at the grocery store and you start hearing their stories and what they've been through and the obstacles they've had to overcome, and then you realize you're surrounded by Hidden Saints and so we would talk about it all the time. Like we would come home and say like Mom, I met this lady and you're not going to believe her story. She shared her story, but every day she's smiling and every day she's there. And so we've picked some most amazing Hidden Saints. I love all their stories and that's kind of what gave us the little go ahead to get this going and start sharing it and not just keep it amongst ourselves and our family. We wanted to be able to share it with everyone and let them experience the same thing we do.
Speaker 1:I love that. So you guys, did you notice, because I feel like I've been in a similar place where, like you said, you can get all get so caught up in our lives, right, and you just you think, and I always say sometimes when I feel like I'm in a bad place, I'm the main character it's probably the best way I put it I'm the main character, but we all know like that's not true, that's not like the place we should be living from. And so do you notice, when you intentionally set that time aside, that you, you're opening the doors to like so many new people and relationships that you would have just walked past and 100%, yeah, and I think it gives you a different perspective of the people you meet.
Speaker 4:You know you're looking at everyone with a different light of you know you're in a bad mood today, but why. You know what's going on behind closed doors. And it's incredible when you approach someone with that perspective, rather than just closing them off, because you hear the most incredible stories of just people you know going through such hardships or the things that they deal with on a daily basis, and they still show up and they still do it and they still put out so much love in the world. So it's, it's been an incredible opportunity, not just for like ourselves, like seeing life in a different way for us. You know, when we're having a bad day, it's not like, oh, poor me, poor me, poor me, Because you know I just saw a hidden saint last week that you know is taking care of their disabled child every single day and still has a smile on their face, or it just puts everything in perspective. And so when you identify hidden saint.
Speaker 1:What do you guys do?
Speaker 3:You're really just looking for someone that is giving to others more than themselves. And so it could be. We've. We've picked all and I won't go into them because I get super excited to tell all the hidden saints I've picked.
Speaker 3:But the first one that really brought us to come home and talk about was before Christmas and I was, believe it or not, getting a facial, and the young lady was telling me about her mother-in-law and how her mother-in-law was taking care of a dis, her disabled son that was 25. And the father had left them when he was, when the son was like two years old, and she had three kids and he's now 25. And he, she takes care of him daily herself. She has a little bit of help as a nurse, and I just listened to her and I was like, wow, we're so blessed, Like we're so blessed, and here's this lady who's just had all these obstacles and all these things happen in her life, but yet she still goes every day and does that, wanting nothing in return, just out of pure love, pure kindness, pure love. And so I came home and we talked about it because we would always see these people and we'd say that's a hidden saint. It was just kind of a little thing among us, right? And so then we started talking like I want to do something special for this lady, this.
Speaker 3:And so Makayla wrote up what a hidden saint is to us, and we have it's changed because it used to be based just on Christmas. Now we've written it so you could. You could give it to someone, like today's Valentine's Day, right? Valentine's Day is about love and letting people know that you appreciate them. That's to us what a hidden saint is, and I can do it at any moment that I see someone or recognize someone and give them that. But that's kind of where we started with. The hidden saint was was that lady?
Speaker 3:And so I, Makayla, wrote up the hidden saint card. It's anonymous. They have no idea who it's from. We sent it in the mail. I sent her a whole day of pampering at a spa in Fort Myers. I went to FedEx. I said please don't put my name on this. If it were to come back, have it come back to the store. And she opened that and her daughter-in-law said tear. She was like I needed this so much and I don't know. To this day she doesn't know who it's from. She doesn't even know what a hidden saint is. So that's kind of the gist of it is that we've always kind of picked someone and tried to do it where they don't even know us. We're just noticing them just to let them know you're being noticed. For your kindness, you are doing good in this world.
Speaker 4:I also think that some of these people we've chosen, we don't know what obstacles they've gone through, but we just know every day they're living their life and giving back to others. The person that I chose this year I mean, I don't know anything about her personal life, but I would see her on a daily basis and there's just something about her that I was like she deserves this. She does so much for my children and I think it's so important that you don't have to know what that person's going through. But just because they're doing acts of kindness, they are a hidden saint.
Speaker 2:I love that, so I see little cards on the table right now. Are those the that? Okay, so those are the things that you mail?
Speaker 3:Yes, so we mail that and it. You don't have to do, like I did, a day of pampering for that lady. It's really just something like we've done a manicure, we've done a pedicure, just to give them a bouquet of flowers, a box of candy, you know. And so, starting this, we were kind of like how do you go about this as from a business sense, or is it going to be just a mission, you know? And so we came to the realization that it's okay if it's just a mission for now and that that is our thing is just to share goodness and let other people we can't do it ourselves as entrepreneurs you realize like you need the community, you need other people surrounding you. So this had to be something that we finally were like we're going to share this.
Speaker 2:Okay, I love this. First off, this is amazing. So if you have people that are listening right now and say I want to give out hidden saint letters, how do they go about getting these beautiful cards to be able to get out to people?
Speaker 4:Yep, so if you go to the storyateliernet which is on the bottom, a-t-e-l-i-e-r we have trouble with that word. Yeah, does that mean something? It's my company's name, so that's a whole, nother story. But the whole like yeah, we could get into that. But you go to that website and in our more, under our more tab, you would see the hidden saint tab and you just click the tab and it's a really easy ordering process and then we'll send you a few of the cards for you to do whatever you want to do with them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love it, so tell us about. So what the?
Speaker 1:story at atelier I took Fred. It's so embarrassing. It took French for so long and I can't pronounce that word In the London, belgium.
Speaker 3:It's awful. Maybe tell me what atelier is.
Speaker 4:I can't let you come up with that. Also, the whole concept of the name comes from when I was trying to. I'm a writer so I've always had a freelancing business where I just pump, you know, a lot of copywriting work through, but I was feeling a tug to do something deeper. I'm always, I've always, been intrigued with deeper stories, or just stories that really get in depth, to people's core, to people's stories, just like hidden saints. That's why they tied really well together.
Speaker 4:So when I was thinking about the name and what culture I wanted to like cultivate with this company, I didn't want it to be a sterile writing agency.
Speaker 4:I really wanted to embody the atelier experience of Christian Dior.
Speaker 4:So I'm like fashion fanatic and I loved how in Christian Dior's biography he talks about how his atelier in Paris was all about making his clients and his women women feel so like warm and seen and beautiful. And he would lock the door and it was a small room and he would just take fabric and drape it around them and they would just feel like a million bucks. And so throughout the biography you start seeing like these women weren't just going to Dior's atelier because it was a beautiful dress, but it was how he made them feel. It was that feeling of walking into the atelier and feeling like a family. And when I was creating this company, I was thinking you can't really get more personal than writing life stories or writing personal stories and you really need that client to feel warm and to feel like you're in a safe environment. And it just clicked. I'm like it's just like Dior's atelier in Paris so that's where that word comes from, but I do see that a lot of people have trouble pronouncing it.
Speaker 2:So it's a beautiful story and I'm going to work on it, yeah it's a little bit fancy Behind going down and I feel like you know that's the story behind your brand, right? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4:So it's really embodying that comfort, that warmth, the sense of being genuine. I feel like in the world we live in today, it's hard to feel like someone maybe is genuine. And when you do meet someone that feels like that, that's super authentic. You want to work with them, Right, you want to be in the same room as them.
Speaker 2:So I see a beautiful mother in this room with two amazing young ladies that have entrepreneurial spirits. So what was it that made you both I mean become? Because I was a mom of two young girls, I'm like I need whatever recipe Cheryl has. I need that, and so does everyone else who's listening. So what was it about growing up that gave you guys both this entrepreneurial spirit that really made you want to have your own businesses?
Speaker 4:I think it really stems from my mom and my dad. My dad is very entrepreneurial. He has his hands in a project I can't even tell you how many projects he has. Too many, yeah, too many. And my mom was the most amazing mother raising us and she was so involved in everything and I think with her mentality she kind of just let us kind of choose, kind of what we want to do. We're all. We have five kids in our family, we're all in different industries and we're all very unique. So it was very interesting to see her push us in a way to keep going and to like strive towards what we wanted, but kind of let us choose what we wanted to do with our life.
Speaker 2:Now, one of the things that I've realized from interviewing and talking with other people that are entrepreneurs and having children, you know to see your dad with hands in all different pots right of all different businesses did you get to? Did he share the failures in all of those stories to help you guys realize to not have a fear of failure, because a lot of people don't become entrepreneurs because they're scared to fail.
Speaker 4:I was gonna say that I think the number one thing in my perspective.
Speaker 4:We were always told to never be afraid to fail, since a young age, you know, even if it was getting Ds on your report card. But you took the class, you know, you tried to take the class, you know, and you did your best. And you did your best and you failed and that's okay, get up. Or you know how many times I changed my major in college and I would just call my parents crying like I don't know what the heck I'm doing, like I can't get through this class, like my mind doesn't work like this, and they would be like you tried, take the pass and move on, like you're going to be okay. There was never any pressure to not fail and still to this day I mean starting a business, being pregnant, I mean there's so many things in life that can freak you out and you can just take the easy route. But that piece of failure is so ingrained in us that it's like no, we're not going to live like we can get ourselves back up, you know.
Speaker 2:I think that's the most beautiful gift a parent can give a child. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think too, as a parent, sometimes I'll see people parenting and it's like you want to parent your child and to make them a certain way, maybe that you felt like you were missing out on, and I think it's important to look at each of their unique abilities and just their unique qualities of things they like. So Breanna didn't love sports. She did sports when she was little and then came to an age that was like I want to work, and so we're like if you want to work rather than do a sport, that's fine, that's what you're passionate about. So she worked and I mean she was super committed and very driven.
Speaker 3:The Mikayla was super artistic, and so I would. I'm very neat. My house is always clean and I would go in her room and think, oh my gosh, she's sewing and she's making cards over here she's sewing aprons. And I finally realized, like I've got, I have to let her be who she is and to develop that side. So I would say that's fine, it stays here.
Speaker 3:It doesn't go through the whole house, but you can create anything you want in your room, and so, and then she played the violin and then her other sister, you know, was a swimmer, and so to really look at what each one wants to do is hard.
Speaker 3:Sometimes we want to kind of put them all in the same box and we want them to all do the same things, and then that was probably the biggest aspect is failing is not bad. Failing is going to teach you a lot and it's going to get you on that journey and to the to where you want to be. So, as a parent, it's hard to watch your kids sometimes and to go through that with them, but we allowed all of them to know that it was okay to fail as long as they were giving 100% and as long as they got back up and they tried again. Yep, right, and I think that's lead by example. Right do, by being a good example to your kids and seeing that that not everything was perfect in our lives and we would fall and get right back up and try again and do it better and learn it.
Speaker 1:I remember this reminds me my son, cohen, was in kindergarten and we came for like a Mother's Day type event and we were gonna do this craft and it was like we're gonna take our hands and I was gonna put my hand here and then he was gonna put his here and we were gonna make this really neat design, you know, yeah, so all the other moms, everyone's getting their hands together and we start doing this and we're starting, and I feel like I literally turned my head for a second and he had taken the whole square and he just painted it orange. And there was this moment where I was just like so frustrated and I was like that was gonna be such a cute moment for us. I'll keep it, you know. And everyone else seemed to be doing it perfectly, you know, like perfectly. And then I stopped and I thought, you know, I'm just gonna put our orange canvas up next to all these other ones that seem so perfect and just be like this is him Right, like he is out of the box.
Speaker 1:He's out of the box and I need to just like love him for that, you know, and be like normal. What is normal? Yeah, and it's so easy to try to put your kids in a box and say, like you know, or compare and say like, oh well, all the other kids are doing that, but then there was just something that and he's still like that and I just have to me and my husband are like you know, it's just him.
Speaker 1:It's just him, you know, like he's just out of the box, and you know, sometimes it takes those minds.
Speaker 2:You're one that's not the athlete, yeah, yeah, he's the artistic. Yeah, yeah, he'll be your entrepreneur.
Speaker 4:And I think you realize too, the older you get, to be normal is so boring. Like, why be normal, right? I mean you fight it, like he'll fight that as he gets older. I know like it was a constant battle. It was like well, you know, I feel like I should be wearing that because everyone is wearing it, or I should be doing that because everyone's doing it. And then you realize you get you know to a certain age. I mean it takes a long time, I guess, and you're like but why? You know, I like being different. You know who cares if people don't get it, who cares if people are looking at you, so I think he'll see that Like you'll. It's just such a cool transformation of being like okay, I'm going to fight this and I'm going to resist the. You know the feeling to be different. And then you eventually give in and something beautiful happens and you're like oh, I'm so happy God made me this way, right?
Speaker 1:And you know what's so funny, my friends that are close to me. They'll come back and they'll say buddy came from you and Brian.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and.
Speaker 1:I'll be like, okay, fair enough, Bye. He's like they're like you guys are normal, yeah, and I'm like it makes it. It makes it Fine. I mean, if he may or not normal no. I mean I'm kind of not, and it's okay, I it's okay, it's good, fine it makes life interesting.
Speaker 2:You have not normal let's. Let's talk about how each of you guys have had an obstacle within your career that has really gotten to you where you are today. And, if you don't mind, Brianna, do you want to start? Um, do you want to pass it off?
Speaker 4:Yes, I'll pass it off to McKinney. Pass it off to McKinney.
Speaker 4:Thank you, Goodness, I would say I've had a lot of obstacles in my career because I think I've so many different interests and I'm constantly trying to understand what God wants from me, so I take it from. There's so many things I want to accomplish in the world, so many things I want to do, but what am I being led to do? What is the purpose of my life? And for me, that's the most important discovery, because until I really understand that, I will constantly be fluttering around doing my projects, um, even though I'm enjoying them. But you know, what is my life purpose? Um, so I would say that's a constant obstacle and that's something that the story atelier really brought to light in the in the past year of understanding that this ability to write and to tell people's stories is something that is so deep within me and that I do feel, you know, called to do Um and recognizing that and realizing stop fighting it.
Speaker 4:How many years have I fought? I'm not going to be right or I'm not going to do it. You know, even throughout college, I'm not going to be right. I'm going to go into interior design, I'm going to do this. And my mom kept telling me you're going to go into writing. You're going to go into writing. You've been. You're a natural writer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, inside note for anyone that's like faceted about what she's talking about. So what she started was she can actually like, let's say, like your mother or your dad, like a gift for them would be hiring her and she will write me, write their story and interview different people and piece this gorgeous story together that can then be gifted to them, and so it's. It's like this keepsake type thing that she's doing and I was like when I learned she was doing that, I was like could you come, like sit on my porch? And she was like. I was like I know this might be weird, like she didn't remember meeting me from like the white night. I was like she's like where do you live? I was like right across the street, a walk like a two minute walk.
Speaker 2:Just come over that blessing. I mean, think about when you were saying you know, using the gifts that guy gave you. You know we're all unique and different. You know he knows every strand on each of us. You know hair, you know so I, you know to be able to give that to someone and that's that's like servant leadership, to like the nth degree.
Speaker 4:And I think it's a chat Like that's. The biggest obstacle I think we could all face is letting down our guard of what do I want to do, right, what do I want to accomplish in my life? And asking what do you want out of me? And that that has truly been the biggest obstacle, whether it's in my personal life, career, anything of being just surrendering and say show me and I will do it. You know, I will lead me where you want me to go and that's what I want to accomplish.
Speaker 2:So my devotion this morning? That's exactly what it was it was. It was all about being rich and our definition of rich. So the the culture definition of rich is is money, right, and, but in the kingdom of God, the definition of rich is using the gifts and recognizing the gifts that God gives you and fulfilling the purpose that he gave for you. Yeah, so it's really neat You're, you're rich, but you're rich in the gifts that God's given you. And that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 3:We'll get it all back. Yeah, sometimes we want to be in control right Every day, Every day, we fight that surrender. Yes, Definitely you want to go now, sure, um.
Speaker 4:So I think the biggest obstacle for me was really being happy in my job, and I've always been like a very hard worker and so when I had my first child, it was like, wait, how do I balance working and being a mom? And I find such fulfillment in both of the things Like I struggled with do I stop working or do I continue to work? And still I'm able to be a mom. And I realized that for me, like my fulfillment is working, like I find so much fulfillment in that, but also being a mom, and I love being a mom to my two kids, like they bring me so much happiness, um. But I also find that for me personally, like for growth and for what's best for me, is being able to work in a certain capacity and recognizing that Right, yeah, talk, we actually talked about that, I feel like on the last podcast.
Speaker 2:I'm a better mom when I work. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm not worried. Yes, yeah, that was very common with us is that I think we all kind of went through that Like do we do we quit, do we? You know? Thankfully now there are more options for like some flexibility, working from home, like doing things, so you can kind of still like be there, yeah. But I feel like as women, we all kind of go through that, yeah, and I saw my mom.
Speaker 4:I mean she was the most amazing stay at home mom, like she was at every activity we you know had, um, and so I want that for my kids, Like I want to be there for them. But I realized that, like in this stage of my life, working and being a mom is probably the best thing for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And I think it like for you, because you work and you want to be, to lean on your community, like I think, as an entrepreneur or a woman that's in the business world, is to know it's okay if you have a grandma that's going to go to the Valentine party or you have an aunt that needs to pick your child up, it's okay to ask for help. That doesn't mean you're failing. Like it's important to have your own personal growth. It's you can still be a great mom, and I think it makes your kids even better because you're surrounding them with a lot of other people that love them and can, you know, be a good example to them, and so I think, I think it makes going to make your kids even better individuals.
Speaker 2:My, my girls grew up with their grandma and their grandmother was lovey, lovey. I'm Lala yeah.
Speaker 3:I love that she was like.
Speaker 2:I'm not a grandmother, I'm a lovey. I'm a lovey.
Speaker 3:I'm a lovey yeah.
Speaker 2:And so I think it's great because the connections and the bonds that they create are so beautiful and time is the biggest gift that we can have. And to be able to give the gift of time that they get to spend with your children, I mean that's huge. Yes, how about you, sharon?
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh, for me, well, I mean, having five kids was, um, to me, the biggest job I could ever. I took it like this I'm a CEO of this company and my job is to raise good little humans, and so, um, I knew that to me it was, I would, it was a billion dollar job. You know, it was the most important job that I could be given.
Speaker 4:But I think it's important to know she was raising five kids and never was home, Like she sold Argonne for years she was the recruit.
Speaker 3:Like recruiting, I mean she was always doing something, always kept a little piece of me. So I got into a skincare company. We know Argonne. Okay, you know about regional vice president.
Speaker 2:So oh I did too.
Speaker 3:I thought mine in six months it had just started. Oh well, I. The funny part of that is that I just started doing it because I was like, oh, I love this product and let me share it for you. Like somebody gave it to me. So I start and they're like Sherry, you've sold like $10,000. And so you're really doing this business. So, anyways, I got into that.
Speaker 3:But it was important for me also to show my kids that you can still have a piece of yourself and you can still, you know, go after your dreams and do things. It's just that's probably the biggest part is a work-life balance. My husband worked all the time, was never, never home, um, and so they were my number one. But I also wanted to have a little piece. So I worked, you know, for seven years as a speech therapist, part-time. So I always figured out how to balance that so that I was giving of them and it was good quality time. But I also didn't just give up on myself and my dreams and what I enjoyed doing. I loved being with people and connecting and networking, and so I always found a way as a mom to kind of put that in. But that would be the biggest obstacle was just a balance and not feeling guilty.
Speaker 1:I think we all feel that at some point and have to go through it, right? Oh, my guys, this has been amazing. I can't believe we're already at 30 minutes.
Speaker 2:Oh you guys, you guys are great.
Speaker 1:I mean, I love your daughters and now I love you. So having us thank you guys came in. I feel like we could have dug into so many more different avenues of things, but if, um, anybody is interested in the hidden saint, should they'll go to the story. I got it At at, at Dot Dot, dot Dot. We'll link it. Yes, we'll link it. So if someone could go and then also if they're interested in even having a story written about one of their family members, yep.
Speaker 3:Well, maybe you'll want to interview one of our hidden saints and all the obstacle stage that cross my mind as we were talking like, why are you interviewing us? We should be bringing our hidden saints and letting them tell their stories.
Speaker 1:Okay Well, I mean we're open, right yeah, send them in.
Speaker 3:We're just inviting ourselves back, I love it, I'll be here every week. Yeah, I love it we, we need some regular Okay.
Speaker 2:For you guys, and yeah.
Speaker 1:And thank you guys so much for coming in today taking your time. I know you inspired our listeners, so thank you very much. Thank you, we appreciate it.
