It’s About GD Time Show
Diddy's Scandal, Winston-Salem: The City of the Arts?, and a Stabbing Story
We examine the recent allegations against P Diddy and the ripple effects they have had. We highlight the need for accountability and the serious repercussions these accusations have had on his business partnerships.
We also celebrate our shared love for community theater, probe the support system for community theaters in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, and ponder whether the city is adequately nourishing its local theaters and artists.
David and GC take us on a nostalgic journey back to their White Christmas days and their adorable tiff that ultimately strengthened their bond. As actors, we all have our share of theater stories, and so we take a hard look at the lessons and experiences we've gathered, emphasizing the significance of directors and acting techniques. We tip our hats to mentors who have played pivotal roles in molding us into the artists we are today., and we touch upon the inclusive nature of the theater community and its role in fostering a sense of acceptance.
We conclude with an amusing anecdote about a stabbing incident that makes us realize the significance of communication and non-violence in relationships. Hoping you'd enjoy this thrilling episode as much as we did recording it, and we'd love to know your thoughts. So, head over to www.itsaboutGDtimeshow.com, leave us a five-star review, and share your thoughts with us. We might not all read the emails, but we genuinely value your input. Catch you next time!
We examine the recent allegations against P Diddy and the ripple effects they have had. We highlight the need for accountability and the serious repercussions these accusations have had on his business partnerships.
We also celebrate our shared love for community theater, probe the support system for community theaters in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, and ponder whether the city is adequately nourishing its local theaters and artists.
David and GC take us on a nostalgic journey back to their White Christmas days and their adorable tiff that ultimately strengthened their bond. As actors, we all have our share of theater stories, and so we take a hard look at the lessons and experiences we've gathered, emphasizing the significance of directors and acting techniques. We tip our hats to mentors who have played pivotal roles in molding us into the artists we are today., and we touch upon the inclusive nature of the theater community and its role in fostering a sense of acceptance.
We conclude with an amusing anecdote about a stabbing incident that makes us realize the significance of communication and non-violence in relationships. Hoping you'd enjoy this thrilling episode as much as we did recording it, and we'd love to know your thoughts. So, head over to www.itsaboutGDtimeshow.com, leave us a five-star review, and share your thoughts with us. We might not all read the emails, but we genuinely value your input. Catch you next time!
And here we go.
Speaker 2:Hey everybody, what's happening? It's about GD Time. Show my man what's happening, brother.
Speaker 1:My man GC. Can I tell you something? My mellow shock G. Brings to the industry and when you see this backstage we've had a what? Yeah, that was my favorite. I told you that. Digital Underground.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the only thing I know, anyway. So, hey everybody, today it is Tuesday the 12th. I'm gonna give it to GC. Say hi to everybody.
Speaker 2:Hello everybody. You know what happened to me today. No, what happened to you. Listen to this. So I went to the grocery store. I came home and I was putting the groceries up right and I was putting my soup, my gluten-free soup, up on the top cabinet. Where is it going?
Speaker 1:Where is this going?
Speaker 2:And I strained my back oh that's because you're old, you think that's what it is.
Speaker 1:Well, of course you just said you lifted a can of soup and you strained your back.
Speaker 2:And I was just putting it on and now I have this deep, deep, deep, deep tissue pain in my right scapula.
Speaker 1:Are you somehow asking me to work on it for you?
Speaker 2:Well, I didn't want to, just you know, I just didn't want to. I don't know, man, I was just. It was just something that you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well I say you're getting old and stop lifting cans of soup plus gluten-free soup, man, that's basically soup, Unless you're getting those creamy weeds, creams, creamy soup. Do you like creamy soups?
Speaker 2:No, I don't, no, I don't. Do you want me to say that?
Speaker 1:I'm actually asking you about soup and you can't even say it. I say creamy and you're like you asked me do I like creamy soups?
Speaker 2:So I said no, I don't like creamy soups. Yeah, the look on your face says no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:I'm not going there. I like creamy soup, but I can't eat it. I'm sure you do. I can't eat it because I'm gluten-free. Hey, let's get the show on the road, all right? So today we got three topics to talk about. We're going to talk about, give them, the first topic.
Speaker 2:We are going to talk about P Diddy, Sean Combs and the allegations that he is currently under, and we are going to talk about is it relevant and does it matter, and why do we care?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then number two, we're going to talk about the theater in Winston-Salem, north Carolina.
Speaker 2:Is it relevant, relevant, relevant? Yeah, that's what I said, mother.
Speaker 1:And it's relevant, the rental high school, everybody the rental high school, and does it matter?
Speaker 2:And is the city of Winston-Salem doing enough to support it? And then what do we have? My guy, that dumb shit.
Speaker 1:But I don't know what's in that yet, right, because that's always a surprise for me. It is. Yeah, I love surprises.
Speaker 2:Like creamy soup, like tiny little packages.
Speaker 1:I mean, I do what's in that tiny little package though? Well it's a surprise. It's a surprise. Okay, let's go ahead and start the show. Let's talk Sean P Diddy. Yes, combs, what's up? What is he doing? What's?
Speaker 2:happening. Boy P Diddy has a lot of issues surrounding him as far as sexual harassment cases going on.
Speaker 1:He does, he's got. It looks like today 18 companies dropped him.
Speaker 2:Yes, dropped him from their sponsor Sponsoring him. You know, according to an article in the Rolling Stone, our guy P Diddy, has been accused of sexually harassing women, beating them, strangling them, raping them, gang rape, and that's pretty much it. And he has like, what did you say?
Speaker 1:18 allegations. Wait, is that it? That's it, that's it, yeah.
Speaker 2:Three suits that now let's see. So his ex-girlfriend, cassie Ventura, settled with him out of court. So they settled that. And the reason why he said he settled that is because he didn't want to have that hanging over his head. So he's raping these women and beating them and choking them allegedly, and should we care?
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I mean I don't know why we wouldn't care. I mean here's why Should we care if Harvey Weinstein used to rape and molest and sexually assault people? Should we care if Bill Cosby did? I mean, when's the last time you saw a Cosby show syndicated? Have you seen the Cosby show on TV lately? I haven't seen the.
Speaker 2:Cosby shows since the 80s. I didn't really like it in the 80s.
Speaker 1:Should we care if R Kelly did all the things he did? Of course we care, because, look, I'm not going to proclaim that I'm an East Coast or West Coast guy. I don't know what digital underground was, I don't know which side they were on, I don't know. I don't care, I like the songs. I only liked one album, by the way Humpty Dance.
Speaker 2:I can still do the voice. You like one song, not the album. No, I like that whole album. You like the whole album man.
Speaker 1:yeah, I have played that whole album a million times. There you go, dude, With my boy Lee. Rest in Peace.
Speaker 2:With my boy Lee.
Speaker 1:We used to do the Freaks of the Industry, the whole song. Two white guys. What we could do everything and I used to do the Humpty Dance for everybody because I could do the voice. So yeah, but I don't know if they're East Coast, west Coast, but it doesn't matter. Look, if you told me they were from Florida, by the way, what East Coast? They're Gulf Coast.
Speaker 2:Gulf Coast. Yeah, but of course we care.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing that sucks for these girls, because I know that the allegations are just coming out. But they're just coming out because New York extended the or is it federal, is it?
Speaker 2:federal Federal.
Speaker 1:Is federal was extended. They said, hey, if the statute of limitations ran out on your case. And I think this all became about because of Harvey Weinstein, right.
Speaker 2:Well, he was one of the reasons why, but it was about to. These limitations were about to run out and a lot of people flooded the federal courts with these sexual allegations, assaults and things. It was just fine.
Speaker 1:The only thing I don't like here's the thing that, from what I've read because you told me about this today I didn't even know. I didn't know. I don't pay attention to headlines lately I need to. We got a podcast you should pay attention, david.
Speaker 1:But it's been busy, busy December. But what I do know about it is that Cassie, who was his girlfriend apparently, was trying to get $30 million from him and said hey, if you don't give me $30 million, I'm going to write a book that tells everybody about what you did, about what you do. And apparently now it's settled. She was going to bring a case. It was a big deal and all of a sudden she took her eight figures and ran. Because, look, when you settle a case, it doesn't mean you're guilty. To me, it does always slightly take away from the person because it makes her look like she was only about the money and she was never about righting the wrong. Now, I'm not saying that that. What I'm saying is these other women have jumped in. Now what I've said is when I heard that she had been chasing him for 30 million and then when she got her money, she's like all right, I won't do that anymore I won't.
Speaker 1:you know, I won't come after you. Now you can. That was just. She's basically saying, okay, it's fine, so they settle. However, these other women are coming out saying the exact same thing Exactly, and I know that, yes, women can ride on the coattails and just be like, hey, I met him back, then I could make up a story too. But that's not women, by the way. Whoever's listening, this is anyone, this is just people. Sometimes, yeah, they're like, hey, if she got 30 million, what if I even got one?
Speaker 1:But that is a lot to pay for, go away money it's a lot to pay for go away money and you said Wendy Williams called it back in the day she did, she did. And do we really think he's a good guy?
Speaker 2:Can I be honest yeah, I never really liked Pete Eddie.
Speaker 1:Because of his music, because of his smile, because of those dumb ass sunglasses. What was the part? What was the thing.
Speaker 2:I respect the brother and no, seriously, I respect the brother for his hustle as far as doing what he did, as far as taking something and taking something, nothing and making something out of it.
Speaker 1:I respect that you mean taking something nothing like a police song and making something out of it.
Speaker 2:I mean I'm just talking about how he started. I mean he went to Howard University, which is a HBCU, and he started there. I respect his hustle but I was never a fan of Pete Eddie. I thought he took away from the artist because he always had his ass. Like Shudnike said, always in the videos, always on your songs.
Speaker 1:He is to the artist, like what Don King was to Mike Tyson. Always there, you know, Don King the promoter. He was always by his boxer side. He was always making it about him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, he was under one with the talent. It was Jay-Z. It was, you know. Ask Damien Dash, you know.
Speaker 1:So were he and Jay-Z buddies.
Speaker 2:Um, I don't know, I don't know the dynamic of Jay-Z and Puffy's relationship.
Speaker 1:What I'm just saying is because it looks like other people were accused. So I'm just saying, like how many people are going to come out and say like, yeah, we kind of do that?
Speaker 2:A lot of them have. I will refer you to the Rolling Stone article relating to this. It was a lot of people who were witnesses to this and say, yes, this cat would choke women out if they didn't do or act it the way he think they should have, or if they refused to engage in menage. A toise so. And they were drugging these girls and, you know, feeding them alcohol.
Speaker 1:Ketamine he gave her. Cassie apparently said she was given ketamine and oh, something else. You know, the good heavy drugs. What does it make you disassociate Exactly? Yeah, no, I would say it's very important if he did this to. Yeah, I mean you know they should have their day in court. That's all I got to say. I don't know if he did or not.
Speaker 2:This is the second about this, you know, and a lot of companies are disassociating themselves with P Ditty, you know, anda. Final analysis P Ditty can give two shits about what two foul mouth chuckleheads from Winsor's Elm, North Carolina, has to say about him.
Speaker 1:But he should care.
Speaker 2:He should, because we are forced to be reckoned with.
Speaker 1:We won't do it alone. Yeah, I just mean I hope. If he did it, I hope he goes to jail for a long time and I hope we stop playing his horrible sampled music on the radio.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:That is very good. I like that shit you just said I hate sampled music.
Speaker 2:I do too.
Speaker 1:Very good D yeah, come up with something new. Yeah, Damn Seriously is it that hard? Take the court progression, redo it, get your own shit, I think. I think Sean Cums should go to jail.
Speaker 2:Oh, without a trial or anything.
Speaker 1:No, I said I think he should go to jail if he's done this.
Speaker 2:OK, if he's innocent.
Speaker 1:Of course he should be allowed to sample all the bullshit music, as long as he pays the original artist.
Speaker 2:OK, ok, I agree, I concur.
Speaker 1:All right. So yeah, I guess that's where we leave it that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's leave it.
Speaker 1:But thank you for letting everybody know about the. P Did it being a Bad.
Speaker 2:Man P Did it. He is a bad man.
Speaker 1:I never liked your stuff either Me either OK. So second, let's bring it home. Let's talk about some local stuff. Oh finally, all right, talk about Winston Salem. Tell me what your thoughts are.
Speaker 2:You know, a lot of people have been saying about the theater here in Winston Salem, north Carolina, and is it? Does the city support the theater and do they pump enough money into it? Because the city of Winston Salem has said on several occasions and dedicated themselves to the city of arts and are they supporting these community theaters that are here? We have several theaters that are here and we have local artists God bless them that participate in community theater and, for those of you who don't know, these people are volunteers who participate in these productions that they give you at these local theaters. They're not paid, they're taking the time out of their personal lives to commit to producing these shows and I just always wondered does the city really, are they really backing them like they do in other places like San Francisco or even Asheville or New York, because you never know who you're going to get? I mean at the local theaters, because there are some people I'm not naming any names, but some people who started in these theaters that went on to do Broadway, off-broadway TV shows, movies.
Speaker 1:And none of them were me. I never got out. So, but I'm the dude.
Speaker 2:The plain.
Speaker 1:The plain.
Speaker 2:So, and are the city supporting them? And should we support them? And should these theaters, these local theaters, theater companies that are here, be more aggressive and recruiting people as far as young people, as far as seeking out young talent instead of the same old, recycled talent that we have? Should we always be more progressive in doing that, because you never know who you're going to get.
Speaker 1:All right, well, I get your point, but I hear a lot of things that you're saying. There's some different topics that come in your points, like one. Are they like? Why are we even called the city of the arts? I started with the Moravians back in the 1700s because they had a lot of crafts, handiwork. They were known for their woodwork.
Speaker 2:Oh really.
Speaker 1:Arts and crafts. That's where it started. We also have the oldest. I think the oldest continuous was that you. You just made a noise.
Speaker 2:I did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the oldest. The little theater of Winston-Salem is the oldest continuously run community theater in the South, maybe Southeast, I'm not sure, but I think it's the South for sure. Right, having a little bourbon here for anybody's listening. So what I hear you saying is one does Winston-Salem support them enough? But by them? Who are you talking about? Are you talking about the community theaters? Are you talking about the school of the arts? Are you?
Speaker 2:talking about the opera? Are you talking about the?
Speaker 1:Okay, well, those are all different answers though.
Speaker 2:What Dee is not telling you is that Dee is an amazing actor and he has done a lot of community theater, and the reason why, when I saw the subject, I read this I wanted to bring it to your attention.
Speaker 1:This was an article. Was this an article? You didn't say anything.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay, what do you think? You think I care about that? No, I don't know, and he knows he knows better, and so I don't know if he's trying to be modest or what?
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:But what I'm saying is he knows he's been in the community theater for a long time.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we're talking about community theater. Yes, okay, well, that's different, because when you're talking about the arts council, the money is allocated differently. You get money and then they decide who's the most deserving, who needs it the most. The last I knew which I don't know if this is still correct between the community theaters, because I think the Winston-Salem orchestra gets the most money, I think the symphony. I'm excuse me.
Speaker 2:Symphony oh, okay, okay, okay I think I don't know.
Speaker 1:Second was Black Rep.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Because what happens if you don't get Black Rep the most money? We know? You can't look racist. We're in the south, it's reparations, so they have to do it.
Speaker 2:And I would. It always has to come.
Speaker 1:That's why.
Speaker 2:I'm here.
Speaker 1:I'm here to push your buttons, that's all I'm here for. So, but outside of that, I mean, we're talking about, okay, when I first started theater, let's go back. I'm not going to give you the history because, yes, I'm a fantastic actor that's never gone anywhere. I'm acting in my basement right now, but when I started in 2003 at the Little Theater, I've been doing theater since high school.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:But we're only talking about Winston-Salem theaters right now. Right, because I've done theater in Lewisville, that's not Winston-Salem. They got a lot of money.
Speaker 2:They also got money from Well, you could expand it if you want to, Dee. I mean, it's just that it has to be.
Speaker 1:I mean that theater has gone down since I started. When I started, the Little Theater had the Arts Council Theater. That is now a church. For God's sakes.
Speaker 2:Because they sold it.
Speaker 1:Yes, and it was built for the Little Theater I mean, that is the Arts Council Theater they decided, oh, it's going to cost a lot of money to fix the roof, we're just going to sell it. So they sold it Really, yeah, because it's going to cost like 2 million to fix and the city wouldn't, contrary to the.
Speaker 2:I don't even remember anybody trying to fundraise. Okay.
Speaker 1:But it was a big stink. There were bad people on the Arts Council that one of them, whoever was the president, he ended up leaving. You know, he ended up doing this dirt and then he left. He's not even in charge of it. No one seemed willing to fight. It made me really angry, but I'm too lazy to get out there and try and push, and every time I try and push against the machine I just get eaten by it. Right, I'm just going to tell you how it is Right. So when they lost that theater, it's now a church man, right?
Speaker 1:Like what do they need a theater? For those of you who are listening when I think of a theater, yes, you have black box theaters. You have little tiny spaces. You can call anything a theater if you put on a show. But what? The Arts Council theater was amazing. It had a fly system. It had a way to load in all your sets. It had its own shop in the back, across the parking lot. Before they sold the land for CVS and stuff, you actually had a lot of parking. It was an amazing place and they ran it like a professional theater.
Speaker 1:When you went there you forgot that you were doing community theater. You forgot you weren't getting paid. Right, I had so much fun there. It was like I can't tell you. I mean, when they sold that place which was you know how many years back five, six years back, I don't know, I'm not going to say I cried. I don't want to get that emotional, but a part of me died in that place, and now they've been doing shows at Haynes brand theater. I don't consider it a theater, I consider it a performance space Because it's a black box.
Speaker 2:That's why you say that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't have fly systems. You can't change the set. The seats are uncomfortable. Usually they keep it too damn cold. You're freezing your ass off. You're usually stadium seating above the action instead of below, like in a true theater. Like it's not a true theater, I don't want to say that. There's all different types of theaters, but the arts council was special. It had horrible sound but it was special.
Speaker 2:You know I had the privilege of you know working in that theater. I helped you get there, you did. I did actually Tell them.
Speaker 1:I am part of your success story. I was forgotten along the way, but I did help you write in the beginning. But no, you were there, you were, you were, you were in was a time was a time to kill your first there.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, I saw that was great.
Speaker 1:They gave you two bigger pants. That was already when they were on the down slope. They stopped caring a little bit.
Speaker 2:So what my shit got, my shit got there. That's what they got right. That's where you go over that.
Speaker 1:What I was gonna tell you is, when I first started, they were getting Charlie Babcock, babcock.
Speaker 2:Yes, are you talking about junior? I'm talking about the junior, okay.
Speaker 1:He, he had a disability. People would see him riding around town in his motorcycle, but at the end he was a recluse. You didn't see him, but he used to give a hundred thousand dollars a year to that theater.
Speaker 2:Oh, I didn't know that they lost it. The air said no more Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:This money's ours because he never put it in his way really and that was the decline, because that was a lot of money for them to make up. Arts council didn't push that money back in. I have to blame.
Speaker 1:See, it's kind of a weird circle and I think they'll agree with this, that Part of the problem with theater is if you don't put on good theater, people don't come. But if people don't come you can't put on good theater. So once they lost the funding for Charlie Babcock, it started to be harder to build the set that they used to build. It was harder to costume people the way they did, and I'm saying the acting was always great At the little theater, because you know it's a little what you said, a lot of recycled actors, and I can test that because there were many shows they put me in.
Speaker 1:I was in many shows in the same year. I might have been in three shows in the same year. People got tired of seeing me. I Didn't care. As long as I got the lead, I didn't care. Shut your mouth. I Was, I was, I was, I was better when I was young. But but no, I think. So what you're saying is and because we are called the city of the arts, I think in some ways we are. We have the school, the arts there.
Speaker 1:They pump out a lot of your Broadway stars you were talking about and we have the orchestra is fantastic. I just saw something black rap is is nationally known right. And they put something on every two years.
Speaker 2:So they get a lot of money for that. Do you think is is, is is Clickish. You have to you think that.
Speaker 1:I think it's a little Harvey Weinsteinish. You, I think you gotta you do. I think there's a casting couch.
Speaker 2:I Listen. I've done a lot of plays in this town and I've never seen the casting couch.
Speaker 1:Well, that might be why you never got the lead.
Speaker 2:I'm kidding.
Speaker 1:I'm kidding, there's no casting couch Keep doing do? I think the same people do the same thing. Right but I also think there there are several theaters in town. There's the Little Theater, there's Winston-Salem theater. Alliance right spring theater, which I think is kids. There's Spirit gum theater, which is a very, very small Theater that does different types of shows, and then you have that the glass Sting less.
Speaker 2:Play house in glass play out.
Speaker 1:I'm not, look, I'm not trying to hurt stained glass theater people, but here's the thing you used to have springy seats there. There are these little white springy seats and I was comfortable. You took those out because a few broke and you're placing was hard ass seats and I cannot watch a show there again. I can't. My ass is to. There's not a fat on my ass.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, let's talk about. You know theater lines. You have the same actors doing the same thing all over again. I mean you know they do they have. They have kind of so how's that different from stained glass?
Speaker 1:Well, one stained glass doesn't do as many shows. They're also kind of run by the church. They're not allowed to do certain shows.
Speaker 2:I didn't.
Speaker 1:I did not know that yeah that's still a church, so they can't say certain, they can't have shows if it has too much cursing or certain.
Speaker 2:That's why you get the Agatha Christie's there, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got West Side Story, which, which I gotta say, man, oh, who was Puerto Rican in that? In that story I didn't see any Puerto.
Speaker 2:Rican, one damn person. No, no.
Speaker 1:I saw gang members like with a 10 year old white kid and a 50 year old black guy. I was like what thing is that?
Speaker 2:What is it? Are they the Puerto Ricans? You know, whatever man hey, listen uh but it was a good show. It was a good show, yeah and directed by a good friend of both of ours.
Speaker 1:John, yeah, john, john's on great Uh, and you know you can only cast who shows up.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know that wins a sounds, got a big Puerto Rican population. And let me tell you something, man and I want to do this and and I know I said something about the hood line is but, um, if it hadn't been for those cats, I never would have made it to New York.
Speaker 1:I Will say that I hadn't been for me, you'd never make it. I Helped you you did.
Speaker 1:I brought you, you did and you took off Because you got those free miles. You can just fly. That's how it is. You got a place to stay. Now keep going. No, cuz, you did, you've done. You have done great, great, great things and I'm impressed with. I Do remember when you started it was like maybe not even ten years ago, it was like eight years ago or something. You started run a show with me. No, it's almost ten years ago now. One of your first shows of white Christmas with me at theater Alliance. I don't think it was your first show, it was. That was your first show. Uh, grease, grease was your first show. Yes, so and that was it. You know, white Christmas. We did a great job for that little man, it was very it was very entertaining.
Speaker 2:Oh, and let me tell you guys something Dave, my man, d was amazing in that I had never heard someone talking.
Speaker 1:Now you know seriously.
Speaker 2:I'm not. You know if I'm below smoke, but you know, I blow it up. Yes, but not all the way up. Yes, but I had never heard someone, cuz I didn't know anything about theater and you taught me a lot about theater and you pretty much trained me you remember that night, though you remember the night that you got mad at me. I damn sure did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it wasn't my fault. You weren't doing what you were supposed to.
Speaker 2:Man that became a thing. It didn't talk to me for days I did.
Speaker 1:I was pissed at your, I know we had to make up in the elevator. We did got stuck in the elevator and finally it had to we had to talk about we work together. At the time we were like oh, why Christmas?
Speaker 2:and then and then the let me tell you what let me tell you Dave did. Let me say okay.
Speaker 1:See.
Speaker 2:Dave, what a lot of people don't realize I'm. I'm glad we doing this show tonight. Dave has a contingent.
Speaker 1:Dave has I wouldn't say groupies, I do not have any groupies.
Speaker 2:There are people in the theater community in Winston-Salem, north Carolina, who adored Dave.
Speaker 1:I don't know, and I get it and I get it, and, and.
Speaker 2:But Dave and I got into an argument and Do you want?
Speaker 1:to tell them. Why Do you want to say what happened? You don't even remember?
Speaker 2:Dave. I do remember Dave would say evidently David was having a bad day and he thought I was holding up the line going around doing white Christmas. First of all they had the black dude and white Christmas and I'm Jewish, and then they had me in there and then on top of that they're not gonna give me a dance part.
Speaker 1:Okay, here's the thing you said look you said you were not going to dance. They tried to get you to dance. You refused to be in any scenes with dancing? You did so. Don't you be telling that story that the black guy didn't get a dance part because he was black Cause that's what you just painted that to be and the reason? Look everybody who's listening. I wasn't mad at him, okay. What was happening is we were doing-.
Speaker 2:We're going around the line and around the back of the stage.
Speaker 1:We were practicing the curtain call over and over and over and we had to keep going until we got it right and it was late at night. It's like 10 o'clock. I'm exhausted. You're right, I'd had a bad day because I was tired.
Speaker 2:I wasn't mad at you, don't care, we were buddies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so GC spaces out. He's not not moving, it's just it's late and he's spacing out. Now all I do I move to the side Go ahead David. But all I said was come on, come on. Because I said come on, come on, gc, let's go. Now I didn't say I'm mean, he did, I didn't. I didn't white-splain it to you, he lied, I didn't white-man you, he did, I did not, I did not white-man you. Anyway, I'm like, come on, let's go. Look, I would say that to anything.
Speaker 1:This is nine years ago, by the way, it is and I would have said that to any single person that night, because I was exhausted, and so was everybody else, and you were too. That's why you were spacing out. But anyway, I just said come on, let's go. I thought it was over, it wasn't. So, as I'm sitting in the audience getting notes, you have to sit in the audience, wait for the director to give notes.
Speaker 1:And we're all packing up and GC starts walking out the door and he looks at me and goes David, we're gonna talk about this later. You looked at me, you pointed at me, you said we're gonna talk about this. I was like what the fuck are we gonna talk about? Yeah, you said we're gonna have words, or something like that. You said we're gonna talk about, we're gonna have words. And I was like what about what? And I did say it back kind of aggressive because I was like are you serious? And we didn't talk for about a, is it almost?
Speaker 1:a week and we were working in the same spot. It was so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:And look at it, I was so uncomfortable at work. And then, and here's the thing, david has his groupies. You know, it was like Ain't no.
Speaker 1:groupies Ain't no groupies.
Speaker 2:And then the let me tell you this, this is the truth the director of the show called me and say what's going on with you and David? I was like why?
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, cause we had teens together, you and I. You were not even looking at me doing those things.
Speaker 2:I was like he said, oh well, we, we can't be. I said, well, you know we're brothers, we're boys and you know just like sometimes boys argue and you know we have a disagreement. He was like, well, we can't have you two, you know, going at each other. I was like, yeah, I don't give a fuck if David's mad, I don't care, I wasn't mad, I would see that's what you get wrong.
Speaker 1:I wasn't even mad at you that night, I wasn't.
Speaker 2:I was tired and there's David Joy screamed at me in front of girls you get.
Speaker 1:You gotta be joking to say you gotta be joking to say I was screaming at you.
Speaker 2:You did scream at me.
Speaker 1:I, I don't even scream ever To say I screamed, to say I might have been like hey, garrett, come on.
Speaker 2:JC, jc, get out the way I was like test him on the Well.
Speaker 1:Actually your name was Gary back then to me, but yeah, GC.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna kick his head. I'm gonna kick his head clean off.
Speaker 1:I did not say get out of the way, I said come on, cause you were spacing out.
Speaker 2:I was spacing out. Somebody was in front of me.
Speaker 1:Well, I didn't know that and you could have said David, david, I'm like somebody in front of me. That's all you had. That's all you had to say, david, I'm waiting on somebody, and I'll be like, oh, and then I would have turned my attention to the person in front of you. I'll say, hey, get going, cause we were all tired and we had to do that curtain call over and over. It was, maybe it was a dance number, I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2:I don't know. It wasn't a dance number, cause I?
Speaker 1:wouldn't have any reason to be there. It might've been the train scene, cause there was a train scene.
Speaker 2:What was the train?
Speaker 1:scene when we're all on the train.
Speaker 2:And we had to choreograph, that whole number.
Speaker 1:Is that what that was? It might've been, but whatever it was, I wasn't mad at you, but we didn't talk for like three, four days and then we got stuck in the elevator together. We accidentally get in the elevator at the same time. And then it was like well, guess I gotta do it now. And I was the one to break the ice. You wouldn't talk to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I needed you to kiss my ass on both sides you were seeing me as the whole.
Speaker 1:At that moment I was no longer David. I was white oppression in that elevator.
Speaker 2:What I was? I was white oppression, and you were like.
Speaker 1:That's how I'm not talking to this cracker for a while. And you know what I was right. I am glad you were not.
Speaker 2:You took it too far, that's right.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing about theater, though, and you know this now. Look, you didn't know it then. That was your first show.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:But you know that you can't take things personal in theater, because sometimes you just get yelled at for doing something and you're not even doing something wrong. But the director's gonna yell at you, the customer's gonna yell at you and I mean, but that was our first show together and I will say this once we patched it up, I loved it, that it was all good Once we sat once.
Speaker 2:I said I'm sorry I didn't have to say I'm sorry. I wanna give my dude right here to cross from your shout out but helping me do the things that I wanted to do. I mean because you know I'm not gonna sit here and give a resume, but I don't know that I helped you a whole lot, but I did say like you came to my shows. Oh boy, she stopped that I did come to your shows. You did and I said hey, you need to get an agent.
Speaker 1:You need to get it on the actors access. You need to do all the things you did. You did and backstage I got you on that, but then from there I can't take any credit. I didn't do one thing, after that we talked about acting while we were sitting around it and I miss you at work. I got I'm not gonna lie, I wish you would get your job back, because I'm sick of being there by myself and we could talk about this, but it was a great time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let me tell you guys something. David Joy is one of the biggest reasons that I got to do the things I did when I wanted to in acting. And not just David, but I had a lot of directors that encouraged me for somebody who didn't know anything, anything about acting, and especially that group in Mount Airy, north Carolina none such theater and Andy Griffin Playhouse Like I'm giving him a shout out but Brack Llewellyn love you but and a bunch of other directors. So I have to go all through. You know Brooke Davis, you had John Russo, you had Mark Perolo, you had Sharon Andrews.
Speaker 1:Sharon's great Sharon's fantastic Boy. She made me a better actor until her.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:I believe that. No, no, no, no. Yeah, I was still trying to find my way and my method and she came along, we did get on the roof and she just changed my whole way of thought.
Speaker 2:As far as your approach to acting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she did, because she would question everything I did and I made some wrong choices for that show.
Speaker 2:As far as explain to people when you say well, Sharon Andrews is a piece, sharon.
Speaker 1:Andrews. She's a Wake Forest teacher she's a director and I would call her more than even a director I would call her an acting coach, because when she worked with me, I made some, and you know what. Here's the thing about her too she let me make the wrong choices, Okay explain what choices when you say as far, so like.
Speaker 1:Brick I'll just make one and Brick on a hot tin roof. The whole story is that Brick is gay, or at least is bisexual, and had a thing for his buddy who killed himself. And at the time I was young and I'd read the play and I read it from a young, straight guy's point of view and I thought you know what? And I actually thought about friends that I had and I'm like look, you can absolutely love your buddy, like to the point where everybody will think you're gay because you're just, you're that connected and be distraught about his death. So I chose that he wasn't gay, just everybody thought he was, that he had a thing going on with his buddy. Now, if I were to play that role again, I would not choose that. But what Sharon did? She allowed me to make the choice. But what she says is okay, if that's your choice, I wanna see it Right. And she would go through every scene and tell me why are you doing that? Why are you walking there?
Speaker 2:Why are you thinking that that's who she is? That's who she is.
Speaker 1:She gave me the sweetest note afterward because she saw me do the show. She came to the show several times.
Speaker 2:Usually a director doesn't you know, go to the show after first night.
Speaker 1:No, first night they go, and then they might come one more time.
Speaker 2:And John Adams. You guys don't know who John Adams is, but John Adams used to direct a lot of the Nike commercial.
Speaker 1:And he was your director.
Speaker 2:He was my director, john Adams, if it hadn't been for him, you know, like Sharon Andrews, john Adams, brooke Davis, these people you know, they shape your life.
Speaker 1:They did, and because I think and we gotta give a shout out because I know he might be listening- John I mean John is the first one who he in high school is the first one that even gave me a shot and he taught me a lot that I knew about acting.
Speaker 1:He taught me everything I knew about acting, the only thing that Sharon did. I approached it differently because she allowed me to make the choices and then just, but you know what I will say? John did that too, even in high school, cause I remember one time I go to kiss a girl, what's him? Brick it, brick it. Dude, I had to sing a song. I'll never forget this. This was the best thing. He I go to kiss the girl and he's like does it? Hey, he stopped the whole show. He's like stop, stop. And he turns to the audience and he goes who were the actors in the audience? They're just the actors sitting around. He's like does anybody believe that he actually likes this girl? Does anybody even believe it? And I was like holy crap, man, he busted my balls. The thing I would say about Sharon is she furthered my education because she just spent so much time. See, when I was in shows with John, usually I wasn't the lead other than high school.
Speaker 1:Well one other time I played the same role, but the point is usually I was somebody else. With Sharon, I was the lead and she just spent so much time in a good way in a good way. Yes, that's what, john John was like the guy who taught me that I might want to be an actor. Sharon taught me a new process to analyze everything that.
Speaker 1:I did which John taught me too, but just Sharon took it from a different perspective, as a woman's perspective. I know you've had the same Jamie Lawson Lawson at Peter Lyons he's done.
Speaker 2:He put me on the stage. Yeah, I mean, if it hadn't been for that cat, none of this.
Speaker 1:And you know I'm an old actor, you are you're old as shit, but you know, I want to bring it back a little bit to John Adams.
Speaker 2:I got to give him a lot of credit because I love this guy to death. It wasn't like, and he was harder on me than any other director, except when I did the movie. He was harder on me because we were like he was my big brother and so he expected more. But here's the thing that those other directors that I was talking about did for us is, when you go to the next level, because they're so proficient and they know they craft so well, if you're making a movie or you're doing a commercial or you're doing off-Broadway, it's nothing because you're prepared.
Speaker 1:You there's nothing. So what you're saying is let's bring it back, we're gonna hold it when I did the TV show.
Speaker 2:okay.
Speaker 1:So when you did, you did Marvelous Maisel. What's that? The Marvelous Maisel? Right Maisel.
Speaker 2:The Marvelous of Mrs Maisel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you did that. I mean, that was a different process because it's film, but what you're saying is that the community is yes, of Winston Salem yes, prepared you for it.
Speaker 2:And Mount Airy, and Mount Airy.
Speaker 1:I mean, we can't plug every single person.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying Bobby.
Speaker 1:Bodford, I'm there for you, I'm gonna. Shall I let Jim McKinney? I'm there for all of my directors.
Speaker 2:Mark Barolo.
Speaker 1:No, so let's bring it back to what you're saying. So you're saying are we the city of the arts? Are you saying, why don't we have better theater? Or are you saying we do have great theater? What are you saying?
Speaker 2:I think we could have even better theater if. If it's more community outreach, it has to be. The theaters here have to go out and actively seek these people. Let's not make it I agree, let's not make it a community cabal, let's just, you know. And then you got Camel City coming up. Chris, you know he's doing an amazing job over there of becoming spirit, Like you said, early spirit go, and so let's just not. Let's actively recruit people, especially, you know, high school student. Let's do it.
Speaker 1:Oh, they're coming, man, they're coming. They're coming to take your job.
Speaker 2:But yes, please. So I'm just saying without city support or without the theater actively doing like outreach.
Speaker 1:Look when you say outreach, are you saying like they need to do classes and bring in new people?
Speaker 2:What are you saying? Yeah, it's going to these schools. Go into, you know, have open the doors of the theater. Besides, the same old recycled actors Open the theater doors and say come on in, let us give you a class or how to act. They do that.
Speaker 1:They do that Little theater, does they open classes? Now, I'm not saying they go to a school.
Speaker 2:You have to pay for that.
Speaker 1:Somebody's gotta get paid, man, I'm just saying man you can't give, like you know, a week. Most of these schools, most of these schools, have drama programs.
Speaker 2:Don't pretend, they don't, they do.
Speaker 1:The students have to pick it. Don't be acting like. This is all I mean. Look, I'm just going to push the button here.
Speaker 1:I don't think this is about theater. If I have ever been in a place that accepted more types of people, why do you think I fell in love with the theater? It wasn't because I thought I was a great actor that was part of it but I was an outcast man. I had no family. I had nothing. I didn't have any friends. I was a loser that was a loner. I used to eat my fucking lunch in the janitor's closet.
Speaker 2:I got caught by the damn janitor one time because I didn't have any friends man?
Speaker 1:Well, you touchy yourself. No, I was eating my damn sandwich.
Speaker 2:But what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:look, listen to me, this is serious. I know we'd like to joke, but it wasn't until I did theater that I was accepted by somebody. The first show I did was Cinderella. I stepped on the girl's toes that I was supposed to dance with. The entire show I was nobody.
Speaker 1:The next year I went out for anything goes, I became Moon Face Martin. I didn't know what I was doing, I just memorized my lines. That's all I did. They said memorize your lines. So I memorized my damn lines. I didn't even know what the lines were in between my lines, I just knew the queue line. Like, say this now what you need to know about Moon Face Martin. He says funny things but he doesn't know that they're funny because he's just saying what he's saying.
Speaker 1:Because I did it that way, I got a standing ovation. Nice, you were hooked, yeah. But it wasn't because of the accolades, it was because finally I did something that touched somebody. It was finally I got accepted. And we had jocks in there, we had nerds, we had goth kids, every type of person except for black people. We didn't let black people learn, but every type of person, every type of, including black people, god damn, I know that's just what I do. Every person was represented and it was like if you're gay, that's fine, if you're trans, that's fine. If you are, just look you could be. Any type of person in the theater accepts you and I don't know why that is, but it's the most loving. Now it can also be the most critical group you've ever been a part of.
Speaker 1:But what I'm saying is as a community theaters are really inviting so to say that like they need to do more. Yeah, that's probably true, but you know the best way to do that? Different directors, what happens?
Speaker 2:is you have a theater. Oh, that's a very good point.
Speaker 1:You have the same like in one theater you might have one director only. In another theater you might have the same four directors coming out and directing shows. They get their favorites. They know who's gonna deliver a role for them. You say I was the favorite that I had some sort of fan club.
Speaker 2:I am a fan club. Here's what it was.
Speaker 1:They knew I could sit and he's lying. No, no, no, you know what it was Is that they knew they could count on me and I used to drive people crazy because I wouldn't put on the good show until tech week. I refused to act until tech week because it would just tire me out. I wanted everything to be fresh, and it's a horrible way to be. I'm not telling people to be that way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a bad habit. I don't do that anymore.
Speaker 1:That's what I used to do, but everybody was accepting. I got in there, I delivered, that's all it was. When they told me to sing a song, pretty sang the song pretty.
Speaker 2:You did.
Speaker 1:When they told me to stand over here on the left, to stand over there on the left. Eventually, it was always the same directors back then and the same directors would ask me to do things. So people thought I was favorite. I wasn't a favorite of the crowd, it was just the directors that did it. They were like, hey, I got this part. I need this guy to play the lead male romantic. He's got to sing this song. Who's going to do it? And it would be me. Why? Because I was the right age at the right time.
Speaker 1:Are they going to cast me now? No, I got gray hair. Now I'm getting old.
Speaker 2:What way of hanging on so you don't think you have chops now?
Speaker 1:I don't know anymore.
Speaker 2:I don't know I haven't done a show in five years since the pandemic started.
Speaker 1:I haven't done anything and I don't know anymore. But what I'm saying is that anybody could be me. If you're dependable, you work hard and you show up, you might not get a lead. The first role, you might not get a lead. The second you might not ever get a lead.
Speaker 1:that might not be your thing, but you will be a part when you're on stage with people who care and people who are working for you. That is the best feeling in the world. It is the best feeling you become part of something that's bigger than you.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And when you see people I'll tell you why. I love theater and I want to know why you love theater. I'm going to tell you why I love it right now. Okay, it's because when I would get on stage, and I'm a very reclusive person you know, that I sound like an extrovert, but I'm very skittish, exactly, and I could sing a song or do a song, or do a song or do a song and I look out in the audience.
Speaker 1:you can barely see them because the light's in your face. But you look out in the audience and you catch a person crying because you're singing something that touched them, or you're hitting the scene and you're seeing a funny line and you see them laughing. You can just see the joy in their face. Right, it's like you're part of them, for a minute.
Speaker 1:And it's not about the applause at the end, because let me tell you, I run away from it. It scares me. I'm like you know, I'm not going to be a part of it. I'm not going to be a part of it. It scares me, I don't like it. You know, when people stay afterward and they want to shake your hand, I want out because I'm nervous.
Speaker 1:I'm nervous. I don't want, you know, don't, don't tell me your praises, because I don't believe you and you know I believe them. I believe the criticisms before I believe the praise. Now, why do you love theater?
Speaker 2:Um the gloning.
Speaker 1:Gloning.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:I don't know this word, the Yiddish no. What is that?
Speaker 2:I don't know if I made it up or not. It's the space between the space. When you're on stage, everything is dark and the only thing you see is the exit signs and you are delivering your lines and you feel the whole room with you.
Speaker 1:Hanging on every word.
Speaker 2:Yes, and you're delivering your lines and you feel it. Everybody's on the same page. That. And then I used to smell smoke. It smelled like smoke to me when it, when I was on stage and everything was going perfectly and I was hitting my lines and I can feel the energy and the hairs on your arm and the back of your neck stand up and people are feeling you. It's not like smoke and I call that the gloning. Now, it doesn't happen every night You're on the stage, but there are points in my career my short career on the stage that I would feel that and it was a smell and the exit sign is dark. That's that's what I call the gloning. When everything is right, everything you. You're not missing your lines, you're not. You're not improvising, you're not.
Speaker 1:Everything is going great and everything is quiet and it's like this yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about, but it it doesn't happen for me all the time, because that's a rare feeling. I mean maybe once a show. Sometimes this is a hard place to get. That's a hard place to get. There's a hard place to get when you're out of your head.
Speaker 2:So you build yourself up to, to, to find the gloning. That's what I call it, that's the only word I have for it. Well, it's beautiful.
Speaker 1:So I think I think we can wrap up. I think we should talk about them. I don't know if the audience feels this. If you do, please review us, hit five stars and tell us, but I think we should talk about this more.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:This is home. It does as much as P did. He, I care about him. Right, but, um, yeah, I think that, uh, Winston Salem, I think that they care about their arts. It's hard to choose between each theater which one you give money to, and that's up to the people, but, um, I do wish we had an actual, real theater for these community theaters and theater lines has done a good job. They got their own space. You know it's, it's, it doesn't have a fly system.
Speaker 1:They may shift it out of a cab company, but hey, we got their own space.
Speaker 2:We deserve a triad stage here in Winston Salem.
Speaker 1:Without the controversy, exactly yeah, all right, my man, it's time for that dumb shit. Okay, all right, tell us the story Quick. All right, this is someone out of Florida, a young lady, this is a problem, so it's. You say that every time it's not a problem, it is a problem it is a problem.
Speaker 2:And so this young lady out of Florida was sitting on a couch with her boyfriend and they got into an argument and she stabbed him in the eye with an anti um rabies needle from her job at the uh the vet and the eye because he she thought he was looking at another woman. So what I need people to understand is that instead of stabbing someone in the eye with a anti rabies needle, let's talk about it, let's talk it out before you get to that point.
Speaker 1:At least he's not going to get rabies now.
Speaker 2:And then she said when she was arrested by Florida police, she said he stabbed himself in the eye with an anti rabies needle for dogs.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go ahead and think that the cops, when they showed up, they were like, hmm, very unlikely ma'am.
Speaker 2:Exactly, they put the brace, the bracelets on her and she did go to jail. But I'm just saying, this is the problem. You know, we, we men and women I know one is from Saturn, uh, once some earth, once from.
Speaker 1:Mars, venus, venus, venus. Is it Venus, venus, mars, venus and Mars? Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2:I know we have our differences, but let's, let's. Don't stab me in the eye with a needle.
Speaker 1:Are you talking to Sarah right now? Is this?
Speaker 2:the message to.
Speaker 1:Sarah, don't stab me in the eye with an anti-abuse needle.
Speaker 2:I mean, let's talk about this, don't stab me. Why would you why?
Speaker 1:I'm going to guess it wasn't the first time that she called him, but. But she said if you're going to keep looking at these women, oh, so it was. It was keep looking.
Speaker 2:I mean I asked what the report said, so I'm just saying, how do how?
Speaker 1:how high do you have to be?
Speaker 2:to get how high. I'm not saying she was high, I'm saying she was jealous. I think she was jealous. You think that was?
Speaker 1:what it was. I mean, why else would you stab someone with a needle?
Speaker 2:I'm sure there would be. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, what? What With an anti-rabies needle? Wow, how many people have that.
Speaker 1:How many people have?
Speaker 2:an anti-rabies needle.
Speaker 1:She must have been a vet tech. What I want to know is why she had it in her hand in the first place.
Speaker 2:They were laying on the couch and he was like I wasn't looking at her. She said you were, he said I wasn't and she said yes, you were.
Speaker 1:Who was he looking at when they were on the couch? I don't know.
Speaker 2:I guess there's something that happened. It happened earlier that day. He said you know, shut up, bitch, you don't know what you talking about. She was like, yeah, I saw you. And then he was like you know, and then she just raised up and stabbed him in the eye with an anti-rabies needle for a dog. So the lesson learned is that let's talk about this. Let's not stab each other in the eye with anti-rabies needles. Let's talk about this. Before we get to that point, Men and women, we can talk about these things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if you can't just give your woman cut of mean and choke her out.
Speaker 2:Choke her out. That's the better way to go. You know what? That is? D? What is that? That's that dumb shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, don't applause that, don't applause that.
Speaker 2:That was horrible. I just lose you to believe.
Speaker 1:That was just horrible. I do believe you and I think. Well, I think she'll go to jail for at least a few days and think about her actions.
Speaker 2:I think she will.
Speaker 1:I think she will Good for her, though I give her a cheers. Amen, stab that motherfucker.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:What? All right, hey, what do I care? I'm not in Florida. If you like what you hear, please give us a five star review and all your comments to GC. What's the email address they can send?
Speaker 2:It's about it's not GC, by the way, it's. It's about GD time show dot com.
Speaker 1:The point is only he reads it. I don't care. Okay, here we go, let's take it out. You ready to do it? I'm ready to do it with me. That was high, by the way. Oh, I saw that. Yeah, mommy.
Speaker 2:Talk to you later. All right, brother.