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Permissive Parenting Pitfalls, Remembering Matthew Perry, and the Ketamine Conundrum
Navigating the intricacies of parenting, we embark on a candid exploration of 'accidentally permissive parenting' and its ripple effects on children's emotional maturity. Stirred by insights from a New York magazine piece, we delve into the necessity of setting boundaries and the delicate act of balancing discipline with constructive conversation. Our anecdotes may coax a laugh or a nod of recognition as we reflect on the diverse parenting styles that have shaped our own approaches, affirming the significance of boundaries in nurturing well-rounded individuals.
The episode takes a poignant turn as we commemorate the influential life and career of actor Matthew Perry, who recently passed away. We confront the myths surrounding his death and consider his courageous battle with depression. This discussion opens the door to a critical evaluation of the role of ketamine and other psychedelics in mental health treatment, contrasting their therapeutic potential with the hazards of misuse. The depth of this conversation serves both as a tribute to Perry and a call for caution and understanding in the context of substance abuse and treatment.
As we close the season, we offer a heartfelt reflection on the journey from addiction to recovery, sharing personal victories and the tools that were pivotal in transforming our lives. This final episode serves as both a tribute and a cautionary tale, highlighting the fine line between medicinal use and the perils of drug misuse. With a mix of humor and gravity, we leave our listeners with a powerful public service message and the anticipation of rejoining us after our seasonal hiatus, ready to continue these meaningful dialogues.
Navigating the intricacies of parenting, we embark on a candid exploration of 'accidentally permissive parenting' and its ripple effects on children's emotional maturity. Stirred by insights from a New York magazine piece, we delve into the necessity of setting boundaries and the delicate act of balancing discipline with constructive conversation. Our anecdotes may coax a laugh or a nod of recognition as we reflect on the diverse parenting styles that have shaped our own approaches, affirming the significance of boundaries in nurturing well-rounded individuals.
The episode takes a poignant turn as we commemorate the influential life and career of actor Matthew Perry, who recently passed away. We confront the myths surrounding his death and consider his courageous battle with depression. This discussion opens the door to a critical evaluation of the role of ketamine and other psychedelics in mental health treatment, contrasting their therapeutic potential with the hazards of misuse. The depth of this conversation serves both as a tribute to Perry and a call for caution and understanding in the context of substance abuse and treatment.
As we close the season, we offer a heartfelt reflection on the journey from addiction to recovery, sharing personal victories and the tools that were pivotal in transforming our lives. This final episode serves as both a tribute and a cautionary tale, highlighting the fine line between medicinal use and the perils of drug misuse. With a mix of humor and gravity, we leave our listeners with a powerful public service message and the anticipation of rejoining us after our seasonal hiatus, ready to continue these meaningful dialogues.
and we're rolling what's up. My man, it's about GD time. How you doing GC, I'm will. How was your week? My week was good. How was your week?
Speaker 2:It was great, that's fantastic.
Speaker 1:You're gonna hear me take off my reading glasses on and off, so get used to that, yeah.
Speaker 2:What would anything exciting or anything like that, or just more in a sale?
Speaker 1:No well, let me first introduce the To our listeners. Today, when you are listening, it should be the morning of December 19th 2023 it's almost time for or Christmas, your favorite holiday, because every Jew likes Christmas.
Speaker 2:Happy Hanukkah, thank you. Past. I appreciate it. Wait, what do you mean? It's past. Hanukkah is over with. Hanukkah started on the seventh and it on the 15th.
Speaker 1:Well, I thought they were at the same time. No, man, you can't get Jews to agree on anything, so that's bad, because I was just telling people like, hey, happy holidays, happy, happy Merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, happy Kwanzaa. Kwanzaa is not the same time either, is it? Do we still celebrate it, have you?
Speaker 2:seen? No, check this out. Have you seen? You know that for a little bit it was a lot of marketing around Kwanzaa. You know Coca-Cola, Pepsi, Toilet paper were the polar bears. Oh yeah, it was sort of at the head of the little Kwanzaa red, black and green candles and everything, and Now you don't see shit.
Speaker 1:Can you do, can you tell us exactly what Kwanzaa is? Just really quickly, briefly, well, no, fair enough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a Holiday, that is. Different days mean something different like Hanukkah.
Speaker 1:No, I'm gonna get a different cradle.
Speaker 2:No, hanukkah is about, historically. We were being getting our ass whip by the Greeks and we set up a menorah in a cave and we needed the oil to last for eight days, or one day, and then lasted for eight.
Speaker 1:That is beautiful. It is so. Do you have an oil lamp? Do you do something for a? Do you do you do something from like a, like a special lamp that?
Speaker 2:you know, for eight days a menorah.
Speaker 1:I'm such an asshole. I thought the menorah this is gonna be horrible. Look, I thought the menorah was that candle opera thing. It is wait. But you said oil, those are candles.
Speaker 2:No, I'm talking about historically. Oh, so the the impetus for Hanukkah started. It's well. First of all, let's back up. Hanukkah is not a major holiday for Jews at all. It's just something that came about because they had to. Compete with the the Goyas you know the Gentiles, and so we had to do means oh, I got it. Oh, I got it gentile beans.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's Spanish, by the way, but anyway uh.
Speaker 2:It was a holiday that was picked up to compete, you know, to make little Jewish kids not feel Bad about not celebrating Christmas. So we picked it up. I mean, it's a, it's a good thing for us, but it's never compete with Christmas. Why didn't they put it on Christmas? Then it never compete with Christmas but, why didn't they put it on Christmas, then? Because we own a different calendar from the Christian Gregorian calendar we own a man.
Speaker 1:What year is it? How do you do it?
Speaker 2:It's 57, 60 something in Jewish years.
Speaker 1:That's what I always thought, like if you don't have the Gregorian calendar man, it is really hard, yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess the whole world is kind of it does go by that calendar. But right, that is weird to think that you are in the year and you don't even know because you're reformed. You're not worth it. I do know what you said, 57. Whatever?
Speaker 2:this 57 something Okay.
Speaker 1:So you don't know. I halfway know you have an idea.
Speaker 2:I get half credit for that.
Speaker 1:So what happens when and? I'm making this way so what happens when the temple is rebuilt? Does it start at year one or is it year?
Speaker 2:zero, what temple?
Speaker 1:In that the whole point. You're waiting, you're counting down until the temples rebuilt.
Speaker 2:Oh, you talking about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not trying to get into a big discussion, I'm just saying does it start at your zero or one?
Speaker 2:I Don't think it will matter. It's not gonna matter because you're not gonna have any concept of time, because you're gonna be in the presence of Hashem. So there is no beginning, there's no end, there's just being in the present and that is beautiful and we are gonna talk.
Speaker 1:We're gonna tie that in just a little bit later. So if you thought we were going nowhere, we are. It won't be religious though. So today, right, we are going to talk about this is a very Personal subject, for my friend GC, sitting across from me. He wants to talk about Parenting without boundaries. Right, I looked at him like he was crazy, but he said that he had a very good reason for bringing it up and he wanted to talk about it. So I have not Researched this. I'm gonna ask you a bunch of questions when you're talking, okay, and then we're gonna talk about a semi-personal but not really personal story Matthew Perry, who died in October. 54 year old actor. Everybody knows him from friends. You know widely popular man. They just discovered in his autopsy report how he died. We're gonna talk about that. I think there might be a little controversy coming up or at least I hope there's not and then we're gonna have that dumb shit. So you're ready to go?
Speaker 2:Let's do it brother.
Speaker 1:All right, so let's start. We're gonna talk about let's. You know what we need to get like a sound effect or something every time we do something, so I'm gonna do this. Let's start with our first topic.
Speaker 2:Parenting without boundaries.
Speaker 1:All right, it came on the board. All right. So parenting without boundaries. There's a there's an article in New York magazine.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna let you take it for a minute now in the New York magazine it was called the rise of accidentally permissive parent and basically what that saying is that some moms and dads who survived to be gentle parents Annoyingly turn stress and indulgent ones into brats. So here's the theory instead of when it is mostly like Gen Z years and beyond that Say that instead of disciplining your children, they have conversations. So, according to the article, an example they gave is that they took their kid to preschool and the kid After school, the teacher came to the parent and say hey, listen, your kid doesn't have boundaries and you need to teach them boundaries. And she's a single parent. And she was like well, I have two boys and I Find myself I'm talking about the parent, I find myself negotiating with my kids rather than being the parent. So she took them to a psychologist and a psychologist saying hey, yeah, these kids are not developing emotionally because you're always negotiating with them instead of setting boundaries, and she's concerned about it. So she doesn't want to be too harsh on her children.
Speaker 2:And then again the other end of the spectrum is Well, if I'm too harsh, I mean I'm too lenient. This is what I'm getting, this is what my, my children's teachers are telling me they're saying that basically your kids are brats and you're not parenting them like they're supposed to be. So she's trying to find a happy. According to the to the article, she's trying to find a happy medium. You know, in my to soft, because I don't want to be too soft, because I don't want to raise future criminals, you know, and make my children think they can get away with anything they want. Now there are some people who of the opinion, mostly from the south, who say, hey, listen, I don't raise my kids that way and I never have, and they turn out to be productive citizens which way.
Speaker 1:You mean like beating them boundaries yeah, you know, you know.
Speaker 2:Let's take me for example now.
Speaker 1:Now you are not from the south.
Speaker 2:I am not okay originally, but I lived in the south and my mother and my father and my grandmother all from the south, and just because they lived in New York doesn't mean they brought they did not bring the south with them so where you going with this? I'm going with. This woman was saying she's in a, she's in a tough place because she doesn't know what to do, as opposed to my mother when she was raising me. There was not an option.
Speaker 2:You know, my mother was a single parent raised three boys. I'm gonna give you example. Would you like to hear it? I would. I'm dying to hear the example well, this, this woman who was writing this article, saying that you know the examples of her children throwing stuff across the floor when they didn't want it, and then she's asking them. You know what are you feeling. How will you? What? What made you do that?
Speaker 2:yeah, I'll let you go, but I'm just interjecting hell no, oh, like I've seen if you probably seen kids kicking their parents ass their mom's ass in the grocery store when they didn't get what they want oh yeah, and I want to beat them for the parents you do. That's what this whole article is about. See how you just felt now, as opposed to my mother who was all the five foot tall, maybe 130 pounds you're still scared of her.
Speaker 2:I am and listen. This is how that work. Like this mother said, I had to negotiate with my son because he wanted this toy I couldn't afford to give him. I didn't negotiate with him because he was having a tantrum, as opposed to what I went through. Let me tell you how this conversation went. Okay, gary, we're going in the store. Don't look at shit, don't ask for shit, because you ain't getting shit, so I forgot the rules.
Speaker 2:I forgot the rules D. I said hey, mom. Yeah, what's up? I'm sorry. Uh, let's get this cereal. She said, no, I just bought you guys cereal. I said, yeah, but you know what? I want this cereal because it's new and I saw the commercial. She said well, boy, you wait till you eat the cereal, you get it. So I clouded up and started to cry a little bit. Yeah, because I wanted the cereal, because my buddy at school got the cereal. He said it's just a shit, dude, you need to get it. I'm like I'm gonna ask my mom. I asked my mom and she was like no, you can't have it. So I said damn. I said why we can't have it, mom, huh, huh.
Speaker 1:I mean I love the story.
Speaker 2:And then she said no, I told you no. And then I went off and she went off and you know what her parenting was. She said boy, don't make me tip my belt off, because I whip your ass in the middle of this grocery store. Now. Was that bad parenting or what?
Speaker 1:okay, so I see we're opposed wait, look, there is, I think. I think, so I'll bring it. I'll bring in a quick thing. If you, it's like a dog, okay, kids are like dogs, they're very much like dogs.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying the personality like dogs. But dogs are not happy without routine, without regimen. If you don't feed a dog at the same time every day, if you don't take the dog out at the same time every day, if you let, if you don't train the dog, the dog is actually unhappy. That you may think that, oh well, this is just a free dog. No, dogs like routine. That's why dogs are impacts. Dogs have very specific ways of doing are you?
Speaker 1:comparing kid to a dog. I am in this way if a child does not have a routine, if a child does not have boundaries, if they do not know where the limits are like the worst thing I think a parent can do. And you've seen this, I think this is the worst thing. Okay, if you do that, junior, you're going to get a time out, time out, and you're gonna go to your room. Junior does it. And then I okay, junior, next time you do that and he spank is monkey until a sock.
Speaker 2:So how's that part of punishment I mean?
Speaker 1:I was talking about a little kid. I mean, I don't know why we went there, but I mean, if the testosterone kicks into the young age, sure, but my point is, when you give a boundary and you don't honor your own boundary, if you say like, if, like, put it this way, if your mom had caved to you after you threw and throw your tantrum, right?
Speaker 2:what is that?
Speaker 1:saying that's saying anytime you throw a tantrum you will get what you want. She probably had a very good reason. You probably wanted something like sugar smacks and you were a grown boy and you were an athlete and you didn't need any of that sugar cereal so threaten me, threatening me with violence and a belt.
Speaker 1:That was the answer look, I'm not saying I'm not, I'm not talking about the belt because, look, I was spanked. I was not spanked as much as probably my older siblings, because by the time I came around they were tired and they had other stuff to do right, but I'm not saying beat your child, but what I'm saying is boundaries I do think are healthy. I mean I don't know that you have to beat a kid. I mean every once a while a kid needs a beating, though.
Speaker 2:I mean did depends on how did you hear the quote? I said my mother said that she was gonna take her belt off and I will tear your ass up in this door, but not did she know exactly.
Speaker 1:But she gave you a boundary and she told you there'd be a consequence and you were like you know what? You know what? I like my ass the way it is. So you know what I'm not. You know what? That cereal is not that important to me in the scheme of life and it teaches kids to that.
Speaker 2:It's okay, not okay, this woman wrong D yeah.
Speaker 1:I absolutely well, is she wrong? No, she's. She's wrong in the way she was parenting, probably. Now look, kids are different, though, because you'll get that one kid, you don't give him any boundaries, but they set their own.
Speaker 2:They're like a little adult.
Speaker 1:They've already you know. They go to bed at the same time. They do their homework without asking them, they do chores without asking them. There are kids like that, but I'm worried.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't know.
Speaker 1:But I do know that kids act differently to. Okay, if I were to talk shit to an adult when I was a kid.
Speaker 2:Oh no, no, that was an article. I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what I mean. If I were to say something bad, I didn't even have to say anything bad, I could just say something. I will tell you a story. I did not get beaten for this, just to start, but we went to. Now I have been told that I said this. I know that for a fact. I didn't say these words, but we went to Quincy's Steakhouse where my grandmother used to work. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:And so we go to Quincy's Steakhouse and the whole family's there my grandmother worked there and we're sitting there and the manager comes out and we all knew him. He was a really nice guy and apparently he's going around talking to each one of us and everybody says that I said I wish we would have gone to Wendy's.
Speaker 2:What's wrong with that?
Speaker 1:Okay, well, two things wrong with that One I'd never been to Wendy's at this point, so why would I have said that I don't believe this story completely? But I do remember that I said something that was not considered polite and, boy, I didn't get beaten for it. You didn't, but no, but we were not allowed to do that. I mean, when we used to go out as a family we had five kids in the family we got to eat. Everybody would compliment us about being the most well-behaved kids they'd ever seen, because we knew that, mom and dad, you got home and you acted bad.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, you were gonna get punished.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying that dad took the belt out and took his anger of his whole life out on our ass, but at the same time we knew there'd be punishment. We knew that if they said go to your room, it meant go to your room. If they said you're not gonna have your put I didn't have a cell phone back then you couldn't threaten me I'm gonna take away your cell phone. That's the dumbest shit that I've ever heard. When people say I'm gonna take away your iPad, I'm gonna take away your cell phone, and the kid cries and I'm like what's the big deal? Like? So he's gotta read a damn book.
Speaker 2:But yeah, they didn't grow up like we grew up. They'll do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, but my point is the kids are so dependent on what is a punishment nowadays. That was advice.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, here's the thing too. I raised Sarah and I raised two girls and I couldn't do a lot of the punishment like I got from my mother and my pops Not so much my dad because I can beat my girls, you know, like that, you know I can't, you can't get a belt.
Speaker 1:You're the daddy of the doting father, of course not.
Speaker 2:You're gonna be the doting father. I was a dickhead.
Speaker 1:Were you really.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, I gotta talk to your kids.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, you know, my job was to keep my babies out the pole. That's what I wanted to do.
Speaker 1:Oh my, did you hear what he just said?
Speaker 2:everybody, I did, he just said my only job was to keep my daughters off the stripper pole.
Speaker 2:I did, I meant that, and you know. Just make them and now they're beautiful, productive young women who could have chosen the stripper pole, but instead With the influence of their parents and a lot of people on the outside, they have turned into beautiful, amazing mothers and professionals. So do you. But those two chuckle heads didn't get the beatings they asses deserved so, but I couldn't beat my girls like that. Now, if I had two boys I'd be different, but why would you?
Speaker 1:I mean words. Do look there is a meaning in between, because I know that we shouldn't like coddle children. But, I think a lot of kids here was the thing that I hated as a kid and I don't know if you hated it too. I hated the, because I said so as if.
Speaker 1:I was too stupid to figure out the actual rationale behind your reasoning. Like you could say like why can't I have the Nike Air Jordans? Because I said so. You could say because we can't afford it, Because you don't need it, Because you're about to get it for Christmas, because I don't want you to look like all your asshole friends. They could say a million different reasons that I could. I might argue with it.
Speaker 1:But you know what I'm saying A lot of times parents do. No one's gonna be a perfect parent, because we're all flawed human beings, but that letting your kids do whatever the hell they want. Yeah, no, no, no. There is an order in life. There is an order. There are people in life that are above you right now. You're a very respected, intelligent, handsome, fun, good father guy right.
Speaker 1:But I hate to tell you, there are people that you'd have to answer to if they told you to do something. Yes, Exactly, so are you gonna say no? But I'm a free person, I'm a human.
Speaker 2:I should be able to you say that they're being raised this way.
Speaker 1:They do. There's a sense of entitlement, and then they talk to people however they want they don't respect authority, and they're I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Gen Z, there's such a thing as authority. I mean, certain things are nice right.
Speaker 2:So you think this woman is? These people who parent this way are raising homicidal maniacs.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's true. Is that what? No, seriously, Does it automatically go to psychopath? I don't know, Sociopath apparently.
Speaker 2:Let me put this to you. You didn't experience it. I don't get that vibe from you, or like the parents that we had were getting your ass, now what-?
Speaker 1:I'm sorry they would what.
Speaker 2:Whip your ass if you my grandma was a switch.
Speaker 1:Get in the ass versus okay, Just making sure-. Oh, you know, that was my dad. I did not have that uncle.
Speaker 2:You know my dad yeah, not right. I see where you're going with that. You know my dad was like. You know I should kick you in your ass right now.
Speaker 1:You know stuff like that. No, I did Look like. I said I did not get beatings like other kids because I was the fifth out of. You know I was the last one. But no, I have been spanked hard, I have-.
Speaker 2:Built.
Speaker 1:I once, yes, I once had.
Speaker 2:My dad, you know what.
Speaker 1:You know what, though? My dad did not need a belt because, I'm telling you, that guy had his hand. Look at my hand. Look that is a hand that works every day. It's a strong hand, but it looks dainty man.
Speaker 2:It's soft, it's long fingers. Yeah, it's a little bitch man.
Speaker 1:whatever, that's a strong-ass hand right there. I'm sure it is, I know, but it is a little bit Give me one day out in the yard and I get Calysis it's all the lotion that I use, okay, anyway, anyway. So my dad had really really heavy big. I mean he was a worker man and that guy, he grew up on a farm, he was, he was in the fields by the time. He was like, by the time he could stand, he was already working in the fields.
Speaker 1:Okay so this man had the heaviest hand boy, what I just remember. One time I didn't even talk back to him. It was a Saturday morning, it's seven o'clock in the morning. I was told to get outside. I was groggy, I'm tired and I'm walking downstairs in the garage and I don't know. I didn't even. He said, get out there and do something. I didn't even say anything back, I just kind of I did that?
Speaker 1:No, I didn't, I didn't. My dad, hmm, my dad was a little scared when I was a kid. I mean, he just had authority written on his face right and I was walking in the garage and I was like, I just like one of those sounds. It was not the right time. I don't know what happened to him the day before. I don't know what was occurring at his job it was my turn and his hand.
Speaker 1:I don't know how he did it I probably was like six, I was probably like seven right his hand, he he's. It was like man. He just did like one of those from above his head Down across, and he smacked both my thighs at the same time. And let me tell you, I had a little shorts man, because I was a little kid and holy. I just remember, like seeing white. That was the first thing I saw was white. I Mean it happened on the back of my thigh, but it was white and I might have made that noise, but it's probably like. And then I went running. I went running and you just knew. You know like he did. He was not a beating father, but he was not above giving you a quick swap. My mom used to pinch us in church when we talked with we started messing around, right, she would just do this little.
Speaker 1:I don't know how she did it, man, she would take her little fingers and get it just right just the right nerve and your thigh and yeah, so you knew, nah we mess around I mean, you know, and we were kids, we did stuff but we were not behaved like you get these type of kids that you're talking about, so I don't, you know. Whatever, we're at 25 minutes I don't know much more.
Speaker 2:You want to talk about that we good, I mean.
Speaker 1:I mean so what are you saying, though? Let's just wrap up so you're saying you agree with this woman or don't I?
Speaker 2:I understand what she's saying, but I think it's a, I think it's regional.
Speaker 1:This article never talked about bad parents is is really, I'm just talking about how you raise your children.
Speaker 2:I think it's different from the West Coast in the South and the North.
Speaker 1:I think. I think it's our social economic and that could have a lot.
Speaker 2:If the more money you have, the more you you can tolerate your children.
Speaker 1:But when you both or the opposite, because I've seen some rich kids who have very big boundaries because they are expected to Do to run the company when they're older right, and you know, middle-class, it can go either way.
Speaker 2:But this type of parenting I don't know it does it work these days, and you know.
Speaker 1:Well, let me counter with just one thing before we go. Okay, I know someone who is a very free mom that lives on a farm and has four kids and you know the kids will be children, you know, let them do you know, and let that their home school Brilliant and well-behaved. So I don't really know what the answer is, but I know when your kids starts acting like that. It's time for a boundary.
Speaker 2:Well, oh, like you know, like the example you know, my mom was like look, I'm a beachy too, you smell like onions. What the heck.
Speaker 1:What is it with all the smells and weird thing like?
Speaker 2:Like what is it To me, did you?
Speaker 1:I'll be like all that smells usually like hot dog water.
Speaker 2:Who said that?
Speaker 1:you, you call it. You always say hot dog water, like like. That's a very particular smell. We like you smell like hot dog water. Oh she's me like hot dog water. Yeah, now it's like I'm gonna beat you to smell like onions.
Speaker 2:Another one of my mother's favorites was I'm a smack the cowboy, pee out of you. I.
Speaker 1:Don't even know what that means.
Speaker 2:That's what we'll revisit that. I have to help you.
Speaker 1:I love what your mom's saying. I I'm not sure exactly. I probably would have been like mom. What does that mean? I would have asked all I did and what was the answer? You don't remember.
Speaker 2:I remember.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was getting up cuz, yeah, cuz, then. Then smack came and you're like I don't know the answer. No, I mean this. This story is interesting, but it's to me it's a very Bullshit like bullshit. Well, yeah, I think it's bullshit where people are like Free and why are they being said?
Speaker 2:that they're back. You know what people hate. What people hate Braddy kids.
Speaker 1:Well, they hate Braddy kids, but they hate it when their kids are called Braddy, when their kids are acting Braddy, like people who have awful, awful kids, and Then you say like hey, your kids acting up. I like don't you talk to my child has that happened to you though?
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, dude, dude, I don't put up with. You know I'm a, I'm a Easygoing dude, but when kids start acting crazy and disrespectful, man I can get. I can get it Downright, down right angry cuz you don't like Joe, I don't. That's probably not completely untrue. I hate doing shows with kids you I do not Like, like when we in theater if it's a, if it's like if it say hey, david, do you want to play daddy warbucks and Annie Hell?
Speaker 2:to the no we don't want a kid and she turned out. She is awesome one. She did the backflip.
Speaker 1:Wait, what kid and white. Christmas dude. She was a teenager. That's totally different. She was like in high school. I think she was home school. No, she went to room whatever I, she was a brilliant kid.
Speaker 2:She was a. She turned out to be a young, beautiful I'm talking about kids.
Speaker 1:Anyway, let's, let's move on. I'm probably gonna have to have that half of that shit, because now our time's almost up right so. I'm gonna leave all that in. All right, let's move on quickly. I'll just talk about this. So, matt and Matthew Perry oh wait, hold on. Our next topic is Death of Matthew Perry.
Speaker 2:Wow, I know that was weird, right? What should I do this? I should do that, really death of Matthew Perry. That's that's messed up, okay.
Speaker 1:Well, how about this one? That's really best. Matthew Perry died. Oh, just go ahead. Do you think I'm gonna bring him back, is it look? I'm gonna give him respect, though, because I think he was a great guy.
Speaker 2:I think he had a lot of demons, yeah he was.
Speaker 1:He was very honest at the end. But here's the thing. So Everybody has now probably heard that his Toxicology report finally came back, which is actually pretty quick, because they don't apparently they don't have enough toxicologists Running this stuff for deaths out there and it's hilarious, in California you don't have enough toxicologists were like drugs are very easy and free to get um. California it's a place of free thinking. But here's the thing. So he didn't just dive drowning, he had coronary artery disease. He was on many anti-anxiety drugs but none were number of system. There weren't any loose pills. It wasn't like he was taking a hand fill and he jumped in okay. But what he was doing, apparently for depression, they have a thing called ketamine Ketamine. In the underground world or party scene it would be called special K. Have you heard of this?
Speaker 2:I have not okay.
Speaker 1:So special K is is it's not like ecstasy Okay, that's Molly MDMA or whatever but what? Ketamine is used as an anesthetic but they're finding that it has anti-depressant qualities. It's kind of like silica silica and psilocybin For mushrooms. It can give you a trip and it can bring you out of depression, and they actually have FDA approved. You can go to a psychiatrist or doctor and They'll have they actually have a nasal spray now. So you will go into a controlled setting with a psychiatrist, they'll spray it up your nose, you get a dose of ketamine immediately and it will start a semi-trip. What this trip does? It resets the brain receptors. It makes you think in a different area of your brain. It makes you less depressed almost instantly.
Speaker 2:Now it's not what a long-term effects of that though.
Speaker 1:Well, they don't know the long-term effects like because in this instance it's it's not a cure, like it's not going to Do, one dose and you're done, but for someone who has MDD, which is major depressive disorder, and they are unlikely to respond to the traditional antidepressants like Prozac, whatever all the different anti-depressants that probably everybody listening is is popping right now. Yeah, because we're a society of antidepressants, so we'd always working liquor, which are depressants.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's the thing, though. But you have done shrooms. I have, exactly now, usually a shroom. It opens up your brain. You start seeing different things, but it makes you think in a different way. It makes you feel connected, makes. You see, college will ketamine he was using in a prescribed way and it was to get out of depression, right. But here's the thing over abuse of ketamine becomes special K, what people used to party. It'll make you feel less.
Speaker 1:He, when he they found it in his system, he was Over the dose that he would have taken in a doctor's office, so he got his hands on something and then he jumped into the pool and, basically, what happens is you drown, you drown. So on too much ketamine you could. It's kind of like taking too many opiates. You know you can cause respiratory failure. So you know, I'm a little bit of a little bit of an expert here, suppressing poor guy. It is poor guy, but here here's my worry, because you're already starting to hear this. Oh, you remember what happened to Prince? Yeah, so Prince is on opiates. He denies being on it, but he was. I don't know if everybody remembers, but he's flying to a concert or something, and also he was coming back from Atlanta.
Speaker 1:When they had to make the emergency stop. Right, so they have to make an emergency stop. Now, the story at the time was he had the flu and they had to take like a massive quick dive down to get a medical attention. It was bullshit. They had to get him Narcan, narcan, narcan, narcan To bring him back and then, of course, like it was like, a week later, two weeks later, he's found dead in his elevator.
Speaker 2:Yes, which? Is so weird we can talk about that a different day because elevator going down. He died in the elevator. Did he have a little guitar with?
Speaker 1:him? When are you gonna let the elevator?
Speaker 2:break us down. Oh no, let's go, let's go crazy.
Speaker 1:He died in the elevator and you know what he said to somebody. Do you know the elevator represents?
Speaker 2:Like what Heaven and hell, what?
Speaker 1:The elevator was the devil in his own, and he died in the damn elevator. But let's go back to Matt Perry. So Matt Perry dies with his ketamine. Now ketamine is just starting to take off as an antidepressant group the last couple of years. It just got approved a few years ago. There's a company called Mind Bloom that you can go online. You can answer a few questions. I don't know if it's easy to get.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I've heard it. Yeah, yeah, and then you can get dressed.
Speaker 1:You know what? We'll send you ketamine in the mail. You set up a time and you can take a trip with one of our professionals watching you, and it can pull you out of depression. Now here's the thing it is working for thousands of people. Ketamine is an amazing treatment.
Speaker 2:Well, from there, call that drug dealers.
Speaker 1:What would you call your doctor? A drug dealer? Yeah, if he's given you pros and no take it. Take opiates out. That's painkillers. It's different.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Although ketamine is an anesthetic, so it does. It has been shown to actually help people with their long term chronic pain. Okay, but this is what I'm saying is this is a good drug and now you've already got people saying this has gone unregulated too long. It's not even unregulated.
Speaker 2:You said it's regulated by the FDA, right, it is Okay.
Speaker 1:Now, obviously he did not get.
Speaker 2:How did he get that much?
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know that they know. I mean, obviously ketamine is not too terribly hard to get.
Speaker 2:And is his doctor going to get a jailed beef like Michael Jackson doctor?
Speaker 1:Well, if they found out that the doctor did it, then yes, possibly, but we don't know anything about that, we just know that he was going to see somebody to do this and he basically he was going to see a doctor to monitor this and it had been a week before that he had his last dose, so there's no way that this ketamine was in a system that he had done, so it sounds like it was working.
Speaker 2:Well, how did they know then? How did they know what you said? It wasn't. Are you saying that it wasn't in his system?
Speaker 1:No, it wasn't his system.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:I'm saying is the levels that were in his system were so high Okay. There's no way this was a residual amount from his.
Speaker 2:This doctor wouldn't have, would have not prescribed that much of a ketamine for him to correct, so he got his hands from a third party, correct? Let me ask you a question. Yes, and I'm not being callous about this whatsoever. What did what did I know people struggle mentally it doesn't matter where your station of life is, but what did Matthew Perry have to be upset about? What did I know why Prince did what he did, and I know why Michael Jackson did what he did, because Michael Jackson was abused from a long time and Prince had I think he had sexual identity problems as well, as I think and you cared.
Speaker 1:I think he did, I think he was abused by his mother. Yeah, and his father.
Speaker 2:And I don't know. I think his father physically abused him, I think his mother sexually abused him, but I'm asking, and I think he had. He was self, really self conscious about his height and I think it fucking killed him because he wore platform. I saw him in concert. Yeah, he used to wear high heels and everywhere he went.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what I got to say this I wore high heels in a show one time because I had to do drag. You saw it. We talked about it. I dance better than I've ever danced before. So those high heels kudos to you, Prince. That shit works and it makes your butt. Your butt just lifts up. Man, All these workouts people do in the gym trying to get their butt to lift. Yeah, wear some damn high heels for a while.
Speaker 2:And so were you thinking when you were in your little pumps and your little panties, you know, because you told me you did wear, or did you wear the assless chaps, but anyway, were you thinking when you were on stage, was that Prince all going in your mind, you know just picked up the phone dropped it on the floor. It's all I heard. You know that's my favorite. You know, did you? Were you thinking about that when you were dancing in your pumps?
Speaker 1:No, I was thinking about Beyonce, because I was dancing.
Speaker 2:I was thinking about you were.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I look beautiful. You did, man you did.
Speaker 2:That's weird man, yeah.
Speaker 1:I say now, you look like a horse, horse in a wig. But I did kind of, I did kind of look like a horse in a wig, but no, I would say I would say, for that role I really, I really went for it and I had a good time. I had a good time.
Speaker 2:I had a good time being in heels I did.
Speaker 1:You saw it was fun. And look, it was a fun show. It was legend of legend of George McBride is what it was, what we're talking about.
Speaker 2:Oh sure, but I was probably a little too old for that role.
Speaker 1:Man, now shut your mouth. Now you're just talking mean saying I was born to be.
Speaker 2:You know like Jamie Foxx was born to play.
Speaker 1:You know who started that role was Dave Thomas, dave Thomas Brown.
Speaker 2:You talking about a Wendy's guy? No, I think that's why he dropped Thomas.
Speaker 1:No, he was a guy that went to school of the arts and he was actually in shows with me when he was young, a talented guy, he went to New York, again on Broadway. He was in several Broadway shows. He was in the Book of Mormon. He made a name for himself, but he originated that role and I know his mom. I actually wore for my Beyonce part which, by the way, in the original role those drag shows were not that long. It was obviously extended for that show that we did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got to wear his outfit, so it was kind of nice little connection. I don't even know if he likes me, but hey, if you ever listen to this by accident, dave tried to carry your torch. I was a little too old to play the part, but I still had fun.
Speaker 2:Oh, you know what? And here's the thing you know, I was born to play roles. Just like I don't know, denzel was born to play Michael mix, just like Jamie Foxx was born to play Ray Charles. You were born to play drag and you did well at it. You exceeded in that role. I was proud of you, man.
Speaker 1:You're talking some shit right now. I see that. Look in your face. You're like you were born to play drag.
Speaker 2:That's what you but you're saying I am trying to extend to you a compliment.
Speaker 1:Do you know how hard it was to get out? You're like you're gonna get your leg on it. Well, it was. It was. Why'd you have to use that word?
Speaker 2:You can calculate. You know, you peed on my compliment. I'm not telling people.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it if you manage, but I don't enjoy the show. I don't know that that's the bet. I actually feel like I was born to play Roger and rent. I feel like I did a better job at that, but it was a lot of fun dancing the heels and it did cause a lot of pain, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so let's go back to.
Speaker 1:Let's go back to Matt Perry real quick. So what I'm saying is now people are talking about restricting the use of ketamine because ketamine ooh, look it killed a celebrity, and why I brought up Prince. The same thing happened when he died. We need to restrict opiates. The war on opiates got severe after Prince died. When you have a celebrity die of something is different than having somebody down the road in the trailer park.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and, oh, all of a sudden, bob dies. Nobody cares.
Speaker 1:And now, if you go to the doctor with a broken arm, you get like three pills to take away the pain, and then it's ibuprofen and Tylenol from there, even if it's the worst pain you've ever felt.
Speaker 1:But I'm not talking about opiates here, but what I'm talking about is ketamine, and I am of the group of people who feel like the world would be a better place if we treated depression and problems like that with psychedelics more than we do prozac and all these things with massive side effects, weight gain, sexual dysfunction, all this crap. So this is a very serious problem and I feel like you just need one of these things to happen and you know, and you asked, like what would have Matt Perry have to be upset about? There could be so many things.
Speaker 1:You can have everything in the world and be the most unhappy person.
Speaker 2:You can.
Speaker 1:Because it's not about money. Money helps because what all money does in your life? You know this because you've got more money than me. You got way more money than me, but that doesn't take a lot to get there. Money buys you options which are great, but money doesn't keep you from heartache. Money doesn't keep you from insecurity. Money doesn't keep you from doubt, from jealousy, from shame, from guilt.
Speaker 2:It just reveals who you are.
Speaker 1:But money doesn't cure any of those problems.
Speaker 2:No, it doesn't. Ketamine could be, and that does.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm not saying that because I've never actually done ketamine. It's not like I've done it. But what I'm saying is that we're in an age right now where we need to start treating more people with the natural. I'm not saying that ketamine is not natural. Like shrooms are Right. We need to start looking at treating these conditions with ways that can heal the mind, because what ketamine does? See? Here's the thing it rewires the brain. It literally goes in there.
Speaker 2:Do you know that for a fact? I do know that for scientific proof yes.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:I do. We need to dedicate a show to this because I'm really fascinated about it because Sarah knows about it and I was like how do you?
Speaker 1:know about it. But in another day we will talk about how Iboga is a cure for opiate addiction and no one knows about it. Well, a few people know about it. But we talk about this war on opiates when it's curable and the government knows it's curable. It's been exposed a million. There was a guy who tried to wake up the whole country. He was on. It was the guy that got kicked out of Fox News, bill O'Reilly. Bill O'Reilly had him on in the 80s, this guy who discovered Iboga by accident. He was a heroin addict. It cured him of the addiction. One trip. Three days later he doesn't even want heroin ever again Now. He had a relapse years later. Does Iboga again no more need for heroin?
Speaker 2:How did that affect Bill O'Reilly? Because he was a prick. He was, but what I'm?
Speaker 1:saying he had the interview with this guy back in the 80s. So we have known about it for decades. Did you go talk to any doctor and ask him is there a cure for opiate addiction?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:How many people go to rehab over and, over and, over and over again? So, matt Perry, he's just looking to be helped with all this stuff. He apparently, the guy, suffered from massive depression massive insecurity.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he did.
Speaker 1:So that's what I'm saying Now. Here he dies, and this is a very personal subject for me. I have suffered from what I would call minor depression, but I've had family members with MDD. I know many people who have suffered with depression and heard about all these drugs that they're put on Prozags, iprexa is a flexor one and you go to a psychiatrist looking for help. You know, because talk therapy is supposed to help. You know what a psychiatrist does right away.
Speaker 2:Right, you know what your problem. Prescription.
Speaker 1:Yeah, your first, because I've been to a psychiatrist. I'm not ashamed to say that I don't care Well you shouldn't be.
Speaker 1:I shouldn't be. I go to a psychiatrist. I'm there to talk, I want help. He listens to me for about an hour and then all of a sudden he's like well, here I got all these drugs you can try. He had samples at the time. These are just handy samples and he just gave me like a bag full of drugs and says you know, take these and I'll see you in a week. Every subsequent visit I saw him was about five minutes long.
Speaker 2:What do you mean, just yeah, five minutes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, first one's about an hour because he's got to get your background. He wants to know what you know, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:But that's five minutes. That can't be true. You can't. How are you going to solve someone's problem in five minutes?
Speaker 1:He's not trying to. He's trying to find out which drug is going to help you. But that's not a cure. And how many people will say they're on Prozac and they stop feeling things? You know they stop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you become a catatonic.
Speaker 1:Exactly that is what I'm saying. So catamine is when used correctly, because obviously he did the wrong thing. He had what is it?
Speaker 2:There was no alcohol in it.
Speaker 1:He had a bupro. What is it called? Buprenephrine, buprenorphine? Ah, it's a pain, it's a pain reliever, but it's the thing they give to opiodatics. He had that in the system. He had way too much catamine jumps into a hot tub and he drowned Too relaxed Too relaxed.
Speaker 2:Well, you know it's better than the firefighter. You know? Motto of self healing and therapy.
Speaker 1:You know that is.
Speaker 2:Suck that shit up, your fireman.
Speaker 1:Which has caused a lot of problems with society.
Speaker 2:That whole suck it up thing no, no, no, no no, no, that was the firefighter way of dealing with If you went to another firefighter right and you say man, I think I'm. I had a bad scene last night where we had multiple fatalities.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man up yeah.
Speaker 2:And I say oh man, what happened?
Speaker 1:That's why. That's why there's so many soldiers who come back from war that are all messed up in the head.
Speaker 2:Man.
Speaker 1:I was just talking about this with my family because my grandfather was at Iwo Jima and how messed up the rest of his life was because they didn't have any good treatments for PTSD and ketamine is one of them, by the way. So I'm just saying that I hope that this high profile celebrity death does not start messing with things that will work, because there are things like. Kratom is a natural plant that people use to get off opiates. It's a pain killer no-transcript.
Speaker 2:What D? The federal government is not going to allow that to happen.
Speaker 1:I know, because there's too much money in pharmaceutical. The only thing on ketamine side is because there's a lot of money being made on it right now. Right but I don't want to hear all the people who are saying ketamine is a problem. Look at kill.
Speaker 1:There are already people saying that Ketamine killed him and it needs to be far more regulated. It already is. But Matthew Perry, god rest his soul. In a case like that, nothing's gonna save his life. Right in the end he was obviously looking for something. He just wrote a book. He was finally back in the public eye. He was getting a bunch of praise that apparently it was what he was looking for, because he felt very Lonely since friends ended. He was trying to find that next thing and apparently told his girlfriend hey, they're talking about me.
Speaker 1:It's great you know, because he had a need.
Speaker 2:He had a need to be and to help people too. If you read his story he was saying One of the last interviews he gave was saying that. You know, I don't care about that. I was on a sitcom, I was on a comedy and a popular show. My legacy I want to leave is that I helped someone because of my addictions and and how I Struggled to overcome them. Now, if I could help somebody that way, then you know all the rest of that here's in the final analysis.
Speaker 2:I just want to say this he was a friend, so he left his I mean friend not just a show, but he was a friend of people who suffer from addictions like he did.
Speaker 1:Right. But here's the and it makes me sad because Again I'll go back to Iboga is a plant that will cure opiate addiction and Obviously he didn't have. I Don't know if he ever tried it. I don't know his whole story. I'll have to read his book and I'd like to read his book because addiction I really Addiction is a problem. But it is not a weakness. Addiction is something that is incredibly hard it is to overcome it.
Speaker 1:But at the same time. We shouldn't have a war on opiates. We should have a war on opiate abuse, but not a war. How do you, how does that?
Speaker 2:look, we need to talk about that.
Speaker 1:We will, we'll talk about this.
Speaker 2:Talk about, because that I mean how does that look when you have a war on opiate abuse? How does that? What are you talking about? And now this is the the the Political wonkiness in me coming out when you say thing, when you say things like that, we need to have a ward on Opiate abuse. It reminds me of the bullshit that Richard Nixon did and Ronald Reagan exactly the war on drugs.
Speaker 1:And what did that was? Did it?
Speaker 2:help. It didn't help a damn thing. I put a lot of your people in jail. It did. And then, not only that, the CIA dropped a lot of those drugs in our communities.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, here's a total plant. Yeah, it's been exposed. Yes, out in LA.
Speaker 2:All right. So I'm just saying, when you say we need to Attack that I, it makes me very nervous.
Speaker 1:You know there wasn't a war on opiates back then. That was a war. I'm saying war on drugs exactly but now there's a war on opiates because it's affecting white people exactly. I know this. Yeah but there's a cure for it.
Speaker 2:Oh, so just say no, it's. It's better when white people told black people oh, just say no well, then that's what Nancy Reagan said.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, you don't, you don't need condoms, just say no.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm just saying oh, just say no, so you'd be alright. White people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. So now, all the sudden, but I just want to say that was a Maybe one day I will talk about it. Because it, because it's a big deal, because I was not abusing drugs, right, I was on it for a very bad car accident that I was in, but I was on it for 12 years and that's different.
Speaker 2:It is that same, but but.
Speaker 1:I had a massive physical dependency that had I not found iBoga, I would be on methadone to this day, and that's what they wanted me on. They wanted me on. They wanted me to go to a methadone clinic. They wanted me on the same drug. He's on buprenephrine Bupreneph, I think that's what it's called buprenorphine. I don't know what it is. I'm not a doctor, but you know.
Speaker 2:You and I wouldn't be sitting here if that's the way it would have played out, because you would have been 82 pounds, no teeth or flannel shirt.
Speaker 1:What's not met it's methadone oh Methamphetamine is different.
Speaker 2:I thought you were saying I like damn D.
Speaker 1:No, methadone is a synthetic opiate without the effects of getting high that. Methamphetamine is not an opiate. Didn't you just say it was synthetic?
Speaker 2:What it matha don't.
Speaker 1:Methadone is a treatment for opiate addiction. Okay, methamphetamine is a Drug derived from basically like Sudafed, things like that. That's why you can't buy Sudafed anymore.
Speaker 2:Right, and it's. It has it in there because it can make crystal meth out of it which is methamphetamine.
Speaker 1:This is the same thing.
Speaker 2:Crystal meth is methamphetamine Do you need to do?
Speaker 1:more drugs. I Didn't do drugs for fun, I did it for pain, and I would be on methadone today if I had not found about this natural cure that, if you believe in God, if you believe in the universe, that it had you know I found it and I got off of it and my life was so much better. He obviously didn't have this, but anyway, we'll talk about that, yeah that was a long conversation, so I'm done.
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